2┃build-planning

[vast jay]

it should but remember that infusions only proc once and then get consumed

[pallid wigeon]

So only 1 of the dozens of twisters that spawn will get the buff? Or is it added to all the twisters created from whirlwind per cast?

Whirling slash I mean

[vast jay]

the buff gets consumed when a projectile hits something and causes the infusion explosion,.,, you can have like 10 infusion stacks queued, and over the next 10 "hits" they will be consumed

it only counts for "hits" im not sure if whirling slash is a hit or not

[still rock]

i think the attack itself does, but not the whirlwind effect

[buoyant flower]

hi guys..being work all the weekend till now..still not log in game, so is there some interesting build to share?

[vast jay]

for what class?

amd what level?

[buoyant flower]

aww...sec..i'm looking at the new bonestorm,which impale..i played pure physical caster impale in poe1

did someone else made some guides of it yet?

[still rock]

impale was moreso them rewording and rebucketing how bonestorm interacts as a phys dmg on hit debuff

i havent used it in 0.2 but i imagine it functions similarly

[buoyant flower]

the keywords reads like A skill to impale and Bskill to extract

dmg wise is like 100% B+ 30% A

[still rock]

yeah the numbers might fluctuate there since its a % of your hit dmg rather than a flat amt

probably more value if you invest into the spell dmg of bonestorm

and less value if you dont

[buoyant flower]

bone storm itself is a good spell in 0.1,not OP like lightning conduit stormweaver level but still can 2-3 shot T4 xesh

i watched some clips on youtube

may i should try XD

[still rock]

i think they changed it to bucket it into impale and to stop the one shotting of pinnacle bosses by using it as a free flat dmg buff for things like barrage snipe

probably worth exploring more as a phys spell caster

[buoyant flower]

hah, ye, that's my orginal purpose..a pure phy caster

[still rock]

and theres some new pin support that benefits boner cage

iirc

bone shrapnel

so youd pin with bone cage and then are able to pop with bone shrapnel on another skill

[full meadow]

I was considering phys spell if they added reap in

But doesnt look like they did

[still rock]

its supposed to be on a staff but seems drop disabled still

according to it not being on trade at all

[full meadow]

Correct

It was added to files, but not ready to release

[rapid star]

I'm trying to level as a poison gas arrow pathfinder... but hit a wall against blackjaw... any ideas?
my set up is gas arrow (Scattershot; Comorbidity; Concetraed Effect) Vine Arrow and Toxic Growth

[still rock]

im hoping theres an ascendancy that better benefits phys spells than blood mage

[full meadow]

Get more damage, get tanker, more skill

[still rock]

and also blade vortex in some fashion

would be cool

[full meadow]

Blood was so garbage

I felt so betrayed by it on release

[still rock]

yeah im not sold on blood mage in the slightest

[winged orchid]

If I want to share my build is this the channel?

[full meadow]

The fact that most were unspeccing entirely

Tells a lot

[still rock]

the only thing worth using was the base spell crit imo

i saw some korean builds just use it to have a high crit spark early on

but seems anti-synergy with phys spells since they already have a high crit chance

[winged orchid]

I've made a 48-56 Lightning Twister projectiles Amazon, I'm calling it Sparknado. Has it already been discovered?

[still rock]

probably, majority of spear builds are utilizing the twister ground effects rn

using a tame beast with a ground effect baked in is the simplest way

[winged orchid]

Yeah theres also the shocked ground Unique boots I want to get my hands on and see if its better or not

[grim dawn]

Im using the shocked ground boots its epic

[still rock]

the tame beast tech just isnt 100% uptime, and a large spirit cost

[grim dawn]

what im trying to figure out is why phys% damage is better than elemental for cold or lightning twister

is the base twister dmg always phys no matter the element it turns into?

[still rock]

because the elemental twister effects are gain % dmg

yes

[grim dawn]

got it

[winged orchid]

Its gain 50% of that element as damage so Yes I think so

[still rock]

you'd still get some value out of scaling the elemnt because it scales after the gain as well, but more value from phy since it scales both

[vast jay]

it says elemental stages gain 50% of base, so it shouldn't matter what type the base is

[still rock]

yeah but the base value is in 99% of cases going to be phys from your spear

unless theres a pure ele dmg spear im unaware of, but even then most people will use phys

[winged orchid]

There is, it does only lightning damage similar to the crackling qstaff

[still rock]

interesting

i wonder if its competitive

[winged orchid]

I sold one for 10 ex earlier, which is pretty decent right now

[torn hornet]

anyone know how the bleed chance from incision and the malady support work together?

[still rock]

since it says base chance on malady i would imagine it doesnt interact

[winged orchid]

I got out of campaign with 99.9% crit theres no way this ascendency survives any balance patches

[gray juniper]

each twister though im pretty sure

[vast jay]

what are you saying snylack?

when you fire 3 twiters, each twister from that pack can only hit a single target every 0.66 seconds.. is whart that is saying

[still rock]

as long as theyre fired at the same time, yeah, just to clarify for both

[torn hornet]

just tested, malady does convert incision's bleed chance (without consuming incision)

[still rock]

ooo

tahts interesting

so malady and one point in incision % on attack could mean you do both bleed and poison basically

[pallid wigeon]

Anyone know how Goregirdle Plate Belt's "Defend with 200% armor" work? I thought it was a temp health. Is it always on?

[winged orchid]

When I fire 56 Twisters with Barrage they definitly take more than one twister worth of damage on the first run in, so I think barrage copies of twisters dont count as fired at the same time.

[torn hornet]

you would just need a separate attack for bleed. it also lets you shut off bleed chance for ranged attacks without consuming the bleeds themselves

[vast jay]

ya,. those are two different instances from the barrage

[still rock]

good find

[vast jay]

but malady would only convert it for one skill right?

so another skill that doesn't have malady would proc incision into bleed and drop the incision stacks

[still rock]

correct

depends on how the debuff plays out in the particular skill rotation youd use it in

[vast jay]

could be useful

[torn hornet]

the interaction working that way is key for my planned crossbow bleed build, lol

[winged orchid]

The boots say the ground only lasts 8 seconds how does that actually work? Like is there 8 seconds of lightning trail and then a cooldown where theres no lightning trail?

[still rock]

whatre they called

[winged orchid]

They are unique "Secured Leggings" dont know the name

[still rock]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Wake_of_Destruction

[winged orchid]

So is it constant shocked ground all the time but the shocked ground in each spot lasts 8 seconds?

[still rock]

idk by the wording there doesnt seem to be a cd unless its something internal

[still rock]

thats my reading of it, yeah

[winged orchid]

Okay

[still rock]

id have to use them to see lol

idm running the beast since 10% ms would make my eyes bleed

[winged orchid]

They are already 12 chaos orbs on trade site, trying to find whites to chance but no luck

[still rock]

theres a good trick to insta-reload for tame beast as well in jungle ruins

at the troubled camp checkpoint

[winged orchid]

Yeah I did that I have a lightning trail beast

But dood is eating 118 spirit lol

[still rock]

ah, gotcha we on the same page then lol

yeah its a lot of spirit

[winged orchid]

I want to run cast on crit snipers mark to see if that gives me reliable frenzy charges, but I think everything on my screen dies to fast

And I'm like 8 spirit short, need a better sceptor or something

[still rock]

how are amazons getting crit capped so easily

mostly curious

[vast jay]

ascendancy passive overflow of accuracy

[still rock]

atleast thats an easy number fix without breaking the ascendancy

[viscid radish]

Skill with base crit + extra crit chance + Ascendancy which converts buffer chance to hit to crit + accuracy

[still rock]

if they plan to fix it

[viscid radish]

I'm running like 30-40% crit in A3 with absolutely nothing

[grim dawn]

So it looks like twsiter got hot fixed again

[winged orchid]

So my base crit is 15%~ with accuracy node its 99.9%

[still rock]

link?

[winged orchid]

67%-99.9% with twisters specifically for some reason

[grim dawn]

@still rock nvm must be old news

Posted @ 9:30 est

[still rock]

oh the ele scaling?

[grim dawn]

Ele scaling yeh

[still rock]

yeah that was a bug, was like one shotting act bosses

[winged orchid]

Theres currently a bug that prevents party members from seeing barrage copies of twisters, is that known?

[grim dawn]

So they just disabled it then put it back in?

It seems when the fixed the ele scaling bug

[still rock]

afaik it was adding an additional 50% gain on every single twister fired

[grim dawn]

It removes twisters elemental bonus

[still rock]

instead of 50% across the board

[grim dawn]

I guess they just hot fixed it back then

Apr 06, 2025 9:37 PM (EDT) - We've just deployed 0.2.0b Hotfix 3 . See full notes below:

0.2.0 Hotfix 3
Fixed a bug where skills that have a percentage of damage gained as a specific element didn't get bonuses from certain combinations of other elemental damage types. This mostly affected Twisters being empowered by ground effects when using weapons with some types added elemental damage.

[still rock]

oh i didnt see that one, seems different

[grim dawn]

Yeh, Its a buff

[still rock]

yeah, seems like it wasnt accounting for the ele base dmg in the gain conversion

[grim dawn]

It seems when they fixed the bug it stopped applying elemental percentage. Now it applies

Pretty neat, I'd assume it's still best to just run phys%

I wonder how elemental damage % will do

[still rock]

probbaly good with
https://poe2db.tw/us/Striking_Spear

since thats the highest base dmg available

higher than the best phys bases

and no loss in aps

both 1.6

just cant get % increase local since it doesnt exist lol

[ruby turret]

but phys base can get flat added and %

[still rock]

but i think striking spear, +flat light and % wed could be competitive if invested right

[ruby turret]

so…

[still rock]

yeah would have to look at the numbers on that one, but light has lucky hit which is good

wouldnt be surprised if it parsed better in some passive trees

[ruby turret]

30% lucky

[still rock]

still notable

ultimately i think cold is probably better to just add on top of phys for freeze, but im playing tactician so i get pin for free and pin becomes pseudo freeze

so light is better for me

imo

i still think ill run a phys spear for leech for now tho

[ruby turret]

i need physical for bleed scaling myself

[still rock]

yeah if youre investing into bleed then obviously ele wont be as effective

[dusky wadi]

does brutality work for poisonburst arrow?

[vast jay]

why is everyone so interested in bleed? it's very hard to make bleed mechanics kill that fast... because they typically do dmg over time unless you have a way to "proc" them

[still rock]

im doing a two point investment into one incision node and crimson assault for additional single target, seems notable but ive only done a couple bosses with them together

but not investing into bleed further than that

for now

[vast echo]

i have 70 hours in the game and in that time have made it to act 1 cruel on 2 different character. im making a triple element sorceress without looking at any guides, how cooked am i

[still rock]

im pathing by crimson assault anyways for evasion

so might as well

[ruby turret]

for me its for bossses, my tornados clear mobs i need boss dps

[still rock]

sounds like youre enjoying exploring the game 🙂

[vast jay]

but bleeds dont stack, how does that do good damage on bosses?

[vast jay]

DOT builds typically need some kind of DOT amplifier...

[still rock]

crimson assault instantly aggravates all bleeds and makes it only last one second so you just reapply, theoretically is a dmg increase espec for only two points

[vast jay]

aggrivarted bleeding is not a big deal

[vast echo]

i wouldnt use the word enjoying specifically tryna play with the current patch lmao but im like killing things so thats a good sign i hope

[vast jay]

a bleed is 15% ? of the physical hit that triggered it.. so if you boost thart by 100% (some of the time BTW) that's still only 30%

of one hit

but if yo hit him again, then you can't bleed him again

[ruby turret]

im taking bleed magnitude nodes too

[vast jay]

so if you hit him 10 times in the duration of your bleed.... you are only amplifiying 10% of your dmg by 30% which means 3% more dmg

[ruby turret]

look man imma figure this out

it either works or it doesn't but if it works it works

[vast jay]

the only way you can make DOTS work is if you (a) "trigger" them so you get around the no DOT stacking, (b) use nodes to get more than one simultaneous dots (but i think this is only for poison?), or (c) use an amplifier skill that somehow turns the bleed into a non bleed

[winged orchid]

So my question is does the dash attached to Whirlwind Slash count as "moving" for those shocked ground boots. Or do I actually have to move

[still rock]

well i cant speak for kata but running just two node investment into bleed with no other investments seems valuable

but thats just cause theyre nearby

[vast jay]

for example, ranger has a build that uses a skill called toxic-growth, where you spray down 6 pustules.. then you poision the PUSTULES.. then they explode and turn the poison dmg into normal dmg..... so if your poison does 10 dmg, and you hit each pustule twice, then 10x2x6=120 dmg from 10

[ruby turret]

i am thinking about crimson assualt its just the other node has bleed magnitude going up to it

[vast jay]

the most obvious use of bleed is with herald of blood explosions, but that's only useful on trash

amping bleed magnitude does diddly when bleed damage is diddly

you have to convert the bleed into something that is not capped by 1 bleed dot

[ruby turret]

can you even convert bleed rn?

that sounds like some poe1 shit

[vast jay]

there is only one bleed build that I know of that was big.. and that was a Chronomancer? bleed build that used hammer of the gods

there are tons of skills that convert bleeds into dmg.. one of them is blood-lance

ohh no. there was an elemental bloodmage crossbow bleed build

[ruby turret]

blood hunt?

[vast jay]

this is the only big bleed build i'ver ever seen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efFYYj_ABfI&t=10s

and it relies on the bloodmage ascendancy which allows bleed magnitude to scale with elemental damage

yeah, blood hunt

[still rock]

does pob have incision modeling yet or nah

[ruby turret]

i forgot i wanted to test blood hunt tbh

thank you for the reminder

[vast jay]

i'm not saying a bleed boss build can't work.... im just saying that just scaling bleed magnitude in typical ways doesn't get you there.. because you can only have a single bleed on the target....

unless you find a way to have more

that bloodmage crossbow elemeental bleed build relies on doing one absoutely giant charged hit to get a large hit which turns into a large bleed magnitude...

[ruby turret]

so far blood hunt is nice

[ruby turret]

this is why i hate that GGG think that single hit DoT scaling is an acceptable method

on like 3 different DoT!

[carmine flicker]

Idk about bleed being bad, rake is really good skill
Carried me all campaign and maps!
All while being lvl 3, didn't raise lvl futher, it's already good enough, so why bother
Also there is that stomping ground support, but it's just to make cool visual effects, I'm really sure bleed is doing all the work there!
From lvl 3 skill with spear from act 1!
It's that good!

[ruby turret]

its the only thing you can do for DoT its ridiculous

[open canopy]

it should be permanent, shits a blessing. i can't see anything with my own twisters filling up the screen lol

[ruby turret]

stomp scales from stregnth only and does a lot to help if thats what you do

[still rock]

well it was fine in poe1 with bleed because it did 210% of attack damage per second when aggravated lol

[carmine flicker]

Man, that was sarcasm

[vast jay]

its a peculiar choice for sure.. if I guess at why they did it.. it's because in an endgame where you are moving fast, having enemies die "later" and having to go back for loot, is low quality of l,ife

[ruby turret]

its text

its hard to tell

[still rock]

30% when aggravated in poe2, 210% when aggravated in poe1

(of atk dmg)

[carmine flicker]

Ehh, I was sure it's stupid enough to not be taken seriously

[vast jay]

lol @carmine flicker .. i dont get why people are using rake in campaign..... P4wnyhof even has a video about taking rake at lvel 7... its nonsense

maybe it can be used around 25?

probably not though

[ruby turret]

as someone that early on heard the stomp thing and socketed it to see little effect, i thought you were serious

i only later heard it scaled from strength LOL

[narrow grail]

If my skill has "Converts 80% of Physical Damage to Lightning Damage" Does it mean its better to stack lightning damage and 1 phys dmg is 0.8 dmg for skill? or does it still deal the 0.2 dmg? How about other elemental damages in this case?

[still rock]

seems good until you get dance with death and then twisters outperforms everything

[carmine flicker]

I even added the spear from act 1 to clarify it's a joke
(Literally using one tbh)

[vast jay]

@snow arch that means if you have 100 phys dmg, the skill will turn it into 20 phy 80 lighting... if you have 100 lightning, it wont convert anything

twister outperforms everything from level 2

[ruby turret]

im tired, i missed the most sarcastic indicators i only now see xD

[carmine flicker]

But stomping rake is actually good
Have like 800 str now and.. it's ok

Will get to like 1000 str and more damage nodes

The best part about it - every 5 str travel node isn't wasted pont, but good damage upgrade

[ruby turret]

thats a lot of strength

"attribute staking is dead" nice one jonathan

[carmine flicker]

20% from kitava kind of helps

[still rock]

[carmine flicker]

I didn't really want to play that
But all kitava offensive options literally doesn't work

Animate weapon is a joke
Temper bugged and do literal 0 damage
And fire spell on hit..
Yeah
Let's be realistic there

[still rock]

prob doesnt matter much when you can be practically immune to ele dmg

[carmine flicker]

Still need to get damage somewhere

Mace skills are joke

So rake stomping or mace auto attacks

[still rock]

was hoping theyd reduce the fixed attack time more than they did tbh

sunder for example should just not have a fixed attack time period

[carmine flicker]

And I really don't want to play mace auto, lol

Well
Totems kinda work
But played that previous patch

Lbl 40 totem obviously will do the trick
But ehh

Dual +7 maces, gloves, amulet..
And wow, according to poedb it was nerfed to tge ground
Good job, ggg

[ruby turret]

yeah they nerfed level scaling for totems

and... didnt really give an alternative solution

i mean they kinda did but not really

[carmine flicker]

It's like 1/10 of the damage that wasn't THAT broken to begin with

Like 300k dps

Look like if they nerf this stomping rake I will have to quit

[still rock]

eh unless its obviously severely overtuned i dont think theyll touch stuff mid"season"

[carmine flicker]

Minions dead, totems dead, spears combo aren't for me, oh, and spells dead too

[ruby turret]

does huntress even have a skill with high phys damage specifically for applying high bleed DoT?

[carmine flicker]

They did that in 0.1

[ruby turret]

rake isnt it, quick strike is lower, and blood hunt is for detonate bleed

[still rock]

at the beginning they nerfed some things that they saw as out of line in power, but they waited to gut the other things until now tbf

[ruby turret]

what the fuck were they smoking with this honestly

[carmine flicker]

And idk if 200k dps at 1000 str is overtuned(if my math is right, anyway)

[ruby turret]

what is the point of the quick strike one other than it can be detonated

[carmine flicker]

200k is like top, with stupid good jewels etc

[ruby turret]

a bleed skill with lower % attack scaling from base...

[carmine flicker]

They could say it's not "nerf" but "bug fix"

[shell adder]

Hey anyone got a good huntress or lich campaign builds?

[carmine flicker]

Ed/c

[shell adder]

Like I prefer lich but huntress also looks really fun

[carmine flicker]

Sunder is slower now, lol
Before was 1.4+100%aps
Now 0.9+65%

[twin sierra]

Ember fusillade is actually very strong

Its just not for everyone playstyle wise lol

[carmine flicker]

With spell on hit?

[twin sierra]

Nah I just mean selfcast ember fusillade, just talking in general probably not on kitava

[still rock]

oof

[carmine flicker]

I was thinking kitava+mjolner for general light show
But well

No lightning spell is good anymore

[still rock]

was the arc adjustment any good

i didnt look into it too much

[carmine flicker]

Damage nerf AND no more multi from chains

[vast echo]

what happens when u cast comet inside mana tempest, then during the casting animation it forces u backwards out of it, do u still get the bonus lightning damage?

[dusky wadi]

if you use brutality on a poison ability will the poison damage not work? or since the poison is seperate from the weapons damage will it still work?

[neat bison]

It’s weird, the guaranteed bleed is nice but then all the bleed chance/incision on the tree just becomes completely useless

[carmine flicker]

It's like 1/3 of old damage (arc)

[still rock]

yeah ailments in general seem awkward rn i hope they have a plan to pivot from the current design

[carmine flicker]

They don't
Have a plan, that is

[neat bison]

Rake shoulda just been high %dmg instead of guaranteed bleed

For sure

[still rock]

we dont know that - arpgs are an incredibly complicated game to balance and work out in game dsign (hence the insanely few amt of good ones), theyve made poe1 great so i have faith in general they can work things out given time

[carmine flicker]

Then it wouldn't be a BLEED skill!
And it's bleed skill, you see
So yeah
No good % damage for you

[neat bison]

true my bad

[still rock]

i wasnt a fan of baking ailments into skills but if that is their idea with it then they should re-design how they work outside of those skills

[carmine flicker]

They don't want for poe2 to be fast
So it's intentional that damage is low and nothing work
They did what they want perfectly
It's their "wants" that are problem

[still rock]

youre implying their game design philosophy is for players to have nothing work?

[carmine flicker]

Yeah

[still rock]

or are u just salty

you can criticize the execution without having to implicate ignorance

just sayin

[carmine flicker]

I really think they want a game where you are forced to spend 5-6 clicks on like 3 buttons (5-6 times in total) to kill white mobs

Like in elden ring or w/e
But they forgot that mob density is 100x higher than in elden

[narrow grail]

That wasn't the case even before patch

[still rock]

its a bad faith argument imo, implcating idealogy without having evidence and undermining the fact that they probably know certain things suck, we are a part of the early access for a reason

[carmine flicker]

Like how could they publish the patch with signature skill they even show in video(temper weapon) of one of their poster ascendancy literally not working?
It's so much incompetence that I rather believe it was intentional

And it's still not fixed

[neat bison]

I think it’s clear they are super behind and this update was rushed out the door

otherwise I can’t explain some of this lmao

[still rock]

tbf there are nodes for certain skill trees in last epoch, for example, that have been nonfunctional for over a year

we have to judge the relative competence of the industry

poe2 isnt the only game that exists

[carmine flicker]

Well
They nerfed totems like to 1/10 of previous damage
It was like 300k
So they think that 30k is good endgame damage

And if they think 30k is good dps at lvl 90, then yeah
I base my opinion on nerfs like that

[still rock]

game development is very arduous especially for a game that has hundreds of thousands of interacting mechanics

[narrow grail]

Also it is early access btw

[still rock]

its fine to be frustrated and play something else, but its also fine to enjoy the ride and give them constructive criticism, it isnt fine to engage in bad faith arguments because youre unhappy

[vast jay]

i think POE2 could really use some kind of skill design they put in there just for silly fun.... like the way in Last Epoch the travel skills can literally leap any distance (that you can click)

[still rock]

that does nothing

[carmine flicker]

I don't want to give then snow in winter, much less constructive criticism

[still rock]

youre opting into playing a video game, nobody has a gun to your head lol

[vast jay]

this is the reason discort block exists

[narrow grail]

I think this guy is just ragebaiting or trying to find someone to vent with. Let's turn discussion back to build planning 🙂

[carmine flicker]

Poe2 could use any skill design that isn't from diablo 4

[viscid radish]

I didn't check max range, but Thunderous Leap in PoE2 seems to leap to literally where I'm clicking

Pls GGG no nerf

[narrow grail]

Ye I am leaping trough the campaign haha

[still rock]

oo i need to try it, i forgot about it ngl lmao

[viscid radish]

It's quite slow though, even with martial tempo

[vast jay]

ill have to try it!

[narrow grail]

Ye I wouldn't waste martial tempo on it

[viscid radish]

Gonna see if I can fit more tempos on it

[narrow grail]

just nice way to jump over obstacles or large open areas

[vast jay]

i know shield charge is kinda helpful to travel through campaign a little faster early

[viscid radish]

Other skills I put in pure damage since they're persistent stuff

[carmine flicker]

D4 had the whole "charge and discharge" thing going on and shit tons of conditional mods
Poe2 learn this lesson bit too well I think

[narrow grail]

ohh ok

[viscid radish]

Also, it's a detonator

Which is useful in some cases

[narrow grail]

I have felt very op as amazon doing lightning spear frenzy charge loop and shock pokemon with primal strikes for bosses

[carmine flicker]

Storm jump skill is slower than leap slam
And that's something

[viscid radish]

E.g., if Electric Spear somehow doesn't bonk everything, I just put the lance into the ground and leap on it to go kaboom (bajillion AoE damage)

[vast jay]

am i the only one running shattering palm on my huntress? it's so useful

[narrow grail]

I kill every campaign boss in 10-15 seconds and clear screen with 1-2 hits

[viscid radish]

I think they did this to balance it, since it's also a detonator as i said

[dusky wadi]

i love how i can destroy the entire game easily and the jamanra just says "no"

[vast jay]

jamanra is the first real build test

[narrow grail]

Ye geonor is skil check, jamanra is build check

[carmine flicker]

That's actually good
Crit build?

[still rock]

as long as it goes over cliffs and such ill use it

[narrow grail]

Not yet, but I will transfer into crit / accuracy stacking

[dusky wadi]

you say that but i just cant avoid damage with him, no matter where i stand or try to dodge

[carmine flicker]

Only challenge with jamanra - return in time to hide from winds

[vast jay]

i kill absolutely everything in camapaign up to jamara too.... whirling slash, twister mostly... with some poison and bleed application to proc herald of blood

[carmine flicker]

(then press phone on spacebar again and go grab some snacks)

[pallid wigeon]

Bijouborne Double Belt's Cast on Charm useful? With Ritualist? Anyway to abuse this or is this just garbage.

[dusky wadi]

i just hate how little damage status does against bosses

especially poison

[carmine flicker]

Can you please share?
Will look if can adapt to kitava smith

[vast jay]

my main changes from the starter whirling-slash+tornado.... is adding quarterstaff frozen locus for chilled ground (which is WAY earlier than frostbolt) and quarterstaff shattering palm to stagger enemies earlier and dash around

[still rock]

w weapon swap?

[vast jay]

yeah.. it just auto swaps

[carmine flicker]

It auto swap on skill use so not much problem

[still rock]

oh yeah thats right

i did that with grenade for fire exposure

in 0.1

[carmine flicker]

Also still no idea what to reserve on my rake stomper

[dusky wadi]

trying to stay in the shield with jamanra as ranger is downright impossible when my moves jump me away

[carmine flicker]

All reservation buffs kinda meh

[still rock]

wind dancer?

[carmine flicker]

Why?

[still rock]

if youre evasion

[carmine flicker]

Also don't have dex for it

[vast jay]

i run Ghost Dance, not wind dancer.... i find it more survivabuilit

[still rock]

i am perplexed as to why the armor persistent buff requires a conditional tbh, id like it to be more accessible outside of armor break

[carmine flicker]

Well, who care, armour doesn't work anyway

[still rock]

overwhelming presence is always good icing if you dont have much else to pick up

assuming you have the str

[carmine flicker]

Are there supports that consume broken armour btw?

[carmine flicker]

It's str stack build, so..

[neat bison]

There’s 1 that consumes for like 40/50% more dmg

[still rock]

exploit weakness

[neat bison]

Idr name

[still rock]

but it makes the ability not able to break

[carmine flicker]

Can add it to wind dance I guess

To sustain that armour buff by breaking armour repeatedly

[pallid wigeon]

Ritualist is #1 on the ladder leaderboard. Any idea what build they are running.

[carmine flicker]

I'm using berserk atm
But can't see of leech ever do anything

[unreal sierra]

beast if you can get dex?

[carmine flicker]

Every point into str:(

May be if I ever get astramentis

May be attrition if I ever get dex for it..

Ehh

[dusky wadi]

almost killed jamanra and the server crashed...

anyone wanna help me kill him? thats twice this has happened now

[vast jay]

#2┃looking-for-group #2┃new-player-in-campaign-help

has anyone else seen the healthbar above player bug out and show a big red bar?

[carmine flicker]

Me too
Idk why

[vast jay]

like this

[carmine flicker]

I'd say it's distracting, if I looked at screen much

[carmine flicker]

Yeah, have that one too

[vast jay]

i find it so weird that there was so much griping about how "underpowered" the huntress is.... when i find that this character is the most overpowered non-interactive from level 3 character they have in the game

[copper finch]

can someone explain to me how that % elemental works? there are no flat elem dmg rolls on this stick, so its useless? or will it still buff my lightning attacks?

[carmine flicker]

You mean rakestomp?
That's unintended interaction in a nutshell

[carmine flicker]

It will buff all damage, converted to elements
(That you do with this weapon)

[copper finch]

oh nice, so its def a full juice angle for acts?

[carmine flicker]

Btw, it's not huntress
It's spear skill
Huntress aren't locked with spear and spear with huntress
The main power of the class are ascendancy nodes
Idk how good they are

[vast jay]

no.. i never used rakestomp.. and im talking about from level 3.... im using whirling slash + tornado and it just destroys everything

[still rock]

yeah its just an increased % dmg multiplier for ele attack dmg

[rich bolt]

I remember seeing a while back that the game glitched and showed people the option to bind jamanra as a specter with a cost of 130 spirit and one able to confirm if we can do this now that specters are in the game?

[vast jay]

throw a chjance to bleed on tornado, and then use herald of blood, and the NEXT screen blows up too

[copper finch]

this one is worse right?

[still rock]

no thats a lot more flat

[copper finch]

i guess, but that other one has as/crit multi and that element %

so I thought it migjt be better

[carmine flicker]

Point stand
Any class can use combo if it is that good

[still rock]

the 2nd has a higher crit chance and much more flat dmg in general

the 11% crit bonus and wed probably wont equalize that

from that first one

[carmine flicker]

Wed is addictive with increased from tree
So won't at all

Flat is better

[vast jay]

yeah... true this is a spear overpowered not huntress overpowered issue, but it's just silly busted

[copper finch]

with qual it woulf be like 85 flat?

[still rock]

yes thats what i said

[copper finch]

nah ur right probablu

ill just stick a phys rune in it as well

[vast jay]

@carmine flicker back when EA1 launched, and people were bitching about how hard it was, I did a zero deaths 2hr 50min act 1 run on my monk build

[carmine flicker]

Can't even see the issue
It's like 4 button press to setup, no?

[vast jay]

i make have to do something like that on the huntress

[carmine flicker]

3 h for act 1 isn't that good..

[vast jay]

it's not really like that.. because I just keep clicking whiling slash to move around, so those three button pushes don't count, because it's before i engage

[copper finch]

i spent like 6h on act 3 today figuring out what I wanna do with her, because the tornados just didnt hit

but finally she feels ok

[vast jay]

i just have middle button on whirling-slash, and i keep clicking it as i run around looking for mobs, then tornado into them and they usually are almost dfead

[carmine flicker]

Need to try myself probably

[still rock]

bonus points for being able to put rage support on whirling slash, its pretty nuts

[vast jay]

im leveling another huntress (back in std league with my stuff)... so Ill do a little video clip right now in act 2

[carmine flicker]

May be will play that if rakestomp got nerfed

But tbh i like idea of str stack stomp more
Even if being true melee very often kills

[vast jay]

str stacking is not something for leveling...

that's for late

[carmine flicker]

I did that from lvl 6

To current 70

[vast jay]

okay that seems really slow

[carmine flicker]

What seem slow?

[vast jay]

using rake stomp from level 6

[carmine flicker]

Why?

[vast jay]

the mobs are only on my screen for 1/3 of a second..

waiting for bleeds would be a huge waste of time

[carmine flicker]

Rake stomp doesn't bleed

[vast jay]

ohh? what is the rake for then?

[carmine flicker]

It proc stomping grounds when you rake

[vast jay]

but why use rake then and not something else?

[carmine flicker]

Cause rake is most QoL

[still rock]

stomping grounds requires travel tag

not many options

[carmine flicker]

Just fast and handy

[vast jay]

i dunno,. my build clears 2 screens with 2 casts, so that all seems really slow

[still rock]

@vale silo what are you using for third support of whirling?

just got mine now

[carmine flicker]

And stomping is 100-150% of your str in aoe around you, as attack damage
It's fast cause rake moves you around

[vast jay]

so does whirling slash

i suppose ill have to try it to see how it compares

[carmine flicker]

Yeah, same thing there
But for slash you neec to upgrade weapon and skill and use mana

For rake it's lvl 3 skill and act1 spear at lvl 70

[vast jay]

but stomp is not level 3

[carmine flicker]

(don't have dex to get better one)

[still rock]

oo impale support seems good

[strange ivy]

hm so after the patch, Amazon LS, or rather Lich ED/Contagion, whats better for a starter ?

[still rock]

for whirling

[vast jay]

not having to upgrade weapon is nice.....i suppose

[carmine flicker]

Rake is lvl 3 gem
Lvl 6 character

And stomp ground is lvl 1 support

[mighty wing]

why my tame beast doesnt work on the act 3 mighty silverback boss?

[carmine flicker]

But will try whirl for sure and see

[vast jay]

here.. this isn't a super smooth example of how this oplays, but you can kind of see it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9u3JA_mlc

[carmine flicker]

Rakestomp faster

[vast jay]

do you skip the early dmg nodes and just take attributes? because i tried rakestomp early and it was not good

but maybe i did it wrong

[carmine flicker]

I did it on warrior

And yeah, pure str till like 20 lvls

Tree was.. stronk

Like straight to +25 str node

[vast jay]

okay... well, that's not going to work on huntress

the warr has mor starting str and the huntress doesn't have a fat +25 str node

at least not at low level it's not going to work

[carmine flicker]

Kitava have 20% increased str too

Idk about huntress tbh
I only used it on warrior
Cause mace suck

[vast jay]

ya, when i tried to equip stomp support at level 7 i didn't have enough strength.... but i suppose i could try it by doing it differently

[grim storm]

when does evasion rating actually apply to evade %?

[carmine flicker]

Wdym when?

[grim storm]

i have an evasion rating but 0% evade chance

[carmine flicker]

Can't say more without looking at build

[dusky wadi]

would a cultist bow be good for a ranger poison build or should i just go full physical?

[grim storm]

338 evasion

[carmine flicker]

At what lvl?

[grim storm]

73, looking at what amount i need to start building it up if at all possible

[carmine flicker]

Lol

You need like thousands of eva, not 338, at 73

For it to work

[grim storm]

all i need to know

[steady breach]

yeah, like 10-15k eva is where it starts to be a decent defense in endgame

at lvl86

[winged orchid]

My game just updated, anyone know what the patch was?

[steady breach]

its in #poe2-news

[vast jay]

@carmine flicker okay, this rake stomp thing is pretty fast...

[grim storm]

appreciate info

[winged orchid]

Oh interesting I've restarted the game a few times in the past hour but I was only forced to update now

[azure wyvern]

How to make rapid assault stack spears faster?

I mean good lvl1 support gems

[vast jay]

rake-stomp seems like it would work out well for merc also

[jagged niche]

Anyone making tactician companions/minions work?

[vital rock]

Hey, how does poison work with multiple sources applying on the same target ?

[still rock]

well they just buffed minions apparently, but i gave up on companion build focus since they do buttcheek dmg

better as a support using the monster mods you get

[jagged niche]

Unfortunate, that's the part of tactican that interested me

Maybe I can do something else with the banners and totems, I'm not really interested in the pure pin build

[still rock]

yeah i pivoted to pure pin

the options i explored in my theorcrafting for utilizing the weapon dmg aura were all clunky

im now just doing pin + amor/eva defense node and spear twisters

using a beast with lightning ground for free dmg

[vast jay]

afaik.. one poison per target per player (unless you have skills to increase it)

[jagged niche]

Increadibly disappointing, maybe Ill roll witch or smith or smth

[still rock]

i think tame beast might be a spectre type thing where you need to find a beast that actually has a particular ability that does good damage, but i dont have the patience to do it lol i tried like 7 different beasts and they all hit like poo

and i dont think support gems modify the monster mod abilities

but.. as utility, they seem great and the % damage you get from them + inspiring ally node seems useful for attack builds that run one of them

[jagged niche]

That's fair, I was really hoping to use the tactican node that gives 25% of your weapon buff

[still rock]

that was my plan too, but while leveling atleast it felt underwhelming, there may be something to explore later on

[jagged niche]

🫡

Hopefully someone will figure it out

[still rock]

the problem is that if you want to try and make it work youre looking at investing sockets into a particular beast gem just to see if it works out

so its clunky in design at the base level

[jagged niche]

I'd give minion nodes a try but they're so far away it really doesn't seem worth it

Yeah

[still rock]

if you want to try minions i hear vaal guard (grenade type) are incredible spectres rn

but i think lich might just be better suited for it because of class location

and running a martial weapon means you run a sceptre in offhand and no shield, or 2h martial and no sceptre

(to benefit from tactician dmg aura)

[vital rock]

So the highest one wins then ?

[still rock]

correct

[vital rock]

Also no poison stacking with minions ?

Like in poe1

Rip

[copper finch]

Guys is Lycosidae bis for Huntress? I just dropped this thing, put it up for 1 div and my headphone exploded from trade requests I almost fell off my chair

[floral folio]

Is supporting fire just garbage. I can’t get this skill to kill anything

[gloomy badge]

Does anyone know if the Muster Skill means exactly different summons and not the summon count?

[modest oyster]

how does Lightning Conduit interact with enemies standing on Shocked Ground? It says that it consumes a Shock to deal more damage, but Shocked Ground applies Shocks to enemies standing in it, so presumably it just instantly re-applies it? Does Shocked Ground let you repeatedly cast Lightning Conduit and get the "more damage" bonus every time?
Upd (1100 UTC+0): Nvm, debuff consumption says it makes the target immune to that debuff for 1s, so no, but also yes because Lightning Conduit has >1s cast time?

[modest oyster]

it says "for each different type of Persistent Minion", so should be "different summons", not just summon count. (also, if it was just summon count, then it would be a free source of a lot of "more Damage", and GGG specifically didn't want your supports to just be damage multipliers)

[gloomy badge]

yeah that's what I was thinking.

[full meadow]

i see people using proj speed with AB. is this just to make it more likely to hit when it lands, or is there an interaction with attack speed or similar?

[jade inlet]

I feel like there's a perfectly viable jank build but there's not really any ascendancy to go with it.

Guess I just go Smith or Kitava for Defences since it needs stuff in that area of the tree?

[dawn spire]

What build? If there's nothing to supplement it offensively, there are some generically good defensive ascendancies you can use. Pathfinder, Smith, titan, and Chronomancer come to mind

[civic ember]

which class is somewhat decent for a casual in 0.2? I don't want to look for meta builds, something that just works straight out of the box

[dawn spire]

Essence drain + Contagion lich or chronomancer seems to be working very well out of the gate

Honestly you can use ED+C on any class and be fine

[vapid gull]

So I'm guessing if I'm running amazon I should get a Lyco if I have the chance... that thing seems busted.

[dawn spire]

Idk, accuracy doesn't seem too hard to get

And if you're stacking accuracy for the crit node anyway, I don't see what lycosidae does for you

[vapid gull]

I mean, it doubles it so higher crit rate?

[dawn spire]

Oh, I didn't see what lycosidae does in poe2

I assumed it just made your hits unable to be evaded

My b

[vapid gull]

Aaaah all good

[jade inlet]

Thinking Ritualist might work.

I was wanting to do something janky with the thorns applying to melee strikes support.

Was initially thinking corrupting cry and herald of blood for clear, then use it with blood hunt for pops.

It'll be meh, but might see what Ritualist is like with the combo, making blood boils semi automate blood loss. (Would need to solve bleed / corrupted blood on bosses though)

[dawn spire]

The thorns supports still require you to proc thorns on enemies, though

Just so you're aware

[jade inlet]

I know, I've been looking into thorns more than the other stuff.

It's just physical strike skills suck atm

[dawn spire]

Yeah, I'm hesitant to play melee until swords and/or flails make their debut

I'm hoping flails will really have strong interplay with thorns

[jade inlet]

yeah, feel like they should given they're right next to it on the tree but

[pearl scroll]

Does +1 poison add another instance of poison on the target thats 1 to 1 to the original?

[dawn spire]

It allows you to stack a second poison. It doesn't make you apply two poisons at once

An enemy can only have one instance of poison damaging them at once

By default

[pearl scroll]

i dont understand what stacking another poison means then

[dawn spire]

+1 poison raises the limit

If you hit an enemy multiple times, you can poison them multiple times if you have enough poison limit

Stacking poisons both deal their damage over time at the same time

[pearl scroll]

So it doubles the poison damage?

[dawn spire]

+1 poison stack effectively doubles your poison dps if you can apply a second poison, yes

[pearl scroll]

How do you determine if you get +1 poison

is it always?

[dawn spire]

You need to apply them separately

[pearl scroll]

within the same hit?

[dawn spire]

Let's say you hit an enemy ten times a second and have 100% poison chance

[jade inlet]

Each hit can apply 1 poison, you'd need two hits to apply the second.

[dawn spire]

By default, you're applying and "refreshing" one poison the whole time

If you have +1, your first hit applies a poison, then your second hit applies the second, then you're "refreshing" those two for the rest of the hits

You cannot apply more than one poison from one hit, as far as I know

[pearl scroll]

So lets say you are using hammer of the gods 1 big hit to apply poison, what does +1 poison do?

[dawn spire]

Nothing unless you hit them again

[pearl scroll]

What if its a multi hit skill

Does it take the highest damage hit?

[dawn spire]

Multiple hits mean multiple chances to to apply poison

[pearl scroll]

Lets say its 100% chance to apply poison

[dawn spire]

Technically an enemy can have unlimited poisons on them, but only the highest X dps poisons actually deal damage. X is the poison limit on the enemy

So yeah, the strongest poison(s) actually deal damage

[pearl scroll]

So if you have +3 poisons, and hit enemy with a multi hit skill 3 times, it takes the strongest hits of that skill and applies it 3 times

[dawn spire]

No

It applies all three poisons regardless of their damage

[pearl scroll]

Sorry i have literally never used poisons before

[dawn spire]

It doesn't copy the highest dps

[jade inlet]

tbh, you could be going a little too much into the detail of how it works, making it more confusing for newbies.

[dawn spire]

If you have a poison limit of 3 and apply these poisons in order:

1. 100 dps
2. 200 dps
3. 300 dps
4. 400 dps

Your first three hits would sum to 600 poison dps. Then when you use the fourth hit, you overwrite the lowest (100 dps) since the new one (400 dps) is higher. So you'd be doing 900 dps with 3 poisons

[dawn spire]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. I don't want to misinform them

[pearl scroll]

Okay that makes sense

[dawn spire]

So yeah, if you can somehow get hammer of the gods to hit multiple times, that's great. But if you can't, then extra poison cap isn't going to be super helpful

Unless you have another super hard hitting move

[pearl scroll]

Unless you can use hammer of the gods multiple times in a row right

(just an example)

[dawn spire]

Right, if you can hit an enemy with hotg X times, you can raise your poison cap up to X and it will benefit you greatly

[jade inlet]

I was more meaning, when teaching someone something, you work your way up from simple to complex.

[pearl scroll]

Alright thanks for the help, appreciate it

[upper viper]

what are some of the ways to get a good amount of mana, without having to int stack and such ?
I was thinking about everlasting amulet. Then convert ES to mana, and use the Atziri's Disdain as well for more ES

[pearl scroll]

I have total damage per poison in PoB at 9.5 mill, so if I have +3 to poison it will go 29mill together

or does PoB already take that into account with total damage per poison

[dawn spire]

That's what I thought I was doing lol

I didn't even go into poison duration, hit rate, and effective dps

[dawn spire]

Damage per poison isn't a very useful stat, imo. You want to look at poison dps

Total damage per poison needs to be divided by poison duration to get a useful number

And then you also need to factor in the rate you're inflicting poison

[jade inlet]

Kind of the whole 10 hits per second, refreshing duration and unlimited poisons only the highest damage applies later on.

While true, average person would be fine with "Stronger poisons overwrite weaker poisons, strongest two poisons deal damage at once".

Since 9 times out of 10, an older poison won't be re-applied.

[dawn spire]

Duly noted

[dawn spire]

Also, +3 to poison means you'd have a limit of 4, which would be 38M total damage over those four poisons

[pearl scroll]

right i meant +2

[pearl scroll]

Oh yea so poison has base duration of 2 seconds so i would need hit it 3 times within 2 seconds to actually get 3 stacks

Unless its a multihit skill

[frail sedge]

Can you dual wield two mjolnirs so they double proc on hit effects??

[pearl scroll]

No you cant dual wield 1 handed weapons iirc

[vast shard]

Is there a way to make an artificer/gunblade/spellblade in this game?

[upper viper]

While there being iron will, which str to spell damage. Are there no other way, like the mods we have in poe1
adds 10 to 40 lightning to spell damage. Or how its spelled ?

[rare crypt]

anyone got poe2 pob fork link?

[dawn spire]

You can dual wield 1h maces

[dawn spire]

As far as I know, flat damage to spells does not exist in poe2. Just % as extra

[pearl scroll]

Yes you can maces apparently

[frail sedge]

So you'd get double procs on hit from x2 mjolnir??

Or it doesnt work that way

[upper viper]

Yeah thought so, just wanted to be sure. Its because before you would add flat damage to impending Doom using Archmage, but i want to use the lich. So Mana Stacking might be a little hard for me in the beginning.
So i was just looking at ways, like archmage adds damage

[pearl scroll]

no idea

[dawn spire]

Can you screenshot mjolnir? I'm not at my pc

[dawn spire]

Flame wall is the only way I can think of off the top of my head. And it definitely doesn't work with impending doom

[upper viper]

Yeah i tried that in 0.1 and flame wall is just meh.
Problem is also, most spirit/support gems are with attacks

[dawn spire]

Yeah idk of any spirit gems other than archmage that gives spells damage. Maybe withering presence.

And blasphemy kinda

[frail sedge]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Mjölner

[upper viper]

yeah, already running blasphemy to curse em an additional time. Withering presence is good for the more taken chaos damage

[dawn spire]

I looked at the lightning spell on hit tooltip and I don't see why it wouldn't work with two. There's no limit on the number of copies of skill and spirit gems you can use. Two "Lightning spell on hit" skills should work no problem

[upper viper]

i am killing fast atm in act 3, but i fear i wont be doing enough damage in cruel act 2-3

i could add a cast on shock. Because i know archmage+doom shocks a damn lots

[dawn spire]

Best way to scale your damage would be to just stack mana and also to lower the mana cost of your curse that's proccing ID

When you cast a curse that also pops ID, it does damage based on 15% of your current mana AFTER the cast

[upper viper]

yeah, i am trying to think of ways atm i can scale my mana well

[dawn spire]

So it's also possible that archmage is lowering your damage

If the cost is out weighing the benefit

[upper viper]

when i pop it into pob it scaled quite well tho

and if i also int stack. There is pure power node

[dawn spire]

Yeah, but I doubt it's taking into account the mana cost subtracted from your current mana

[upper viper]

Hmm might not

will have to test when i get to lvl 50+

[dawn spire]

Oh, yea, you don't have archmage yet

[upper viper]

ri´ght now its pure chaos damage 😄

[dawn spire]

I was toying with a mana stacking infernalist for ID

[upper viper]

this is what i am excited about

[dawn spire]

Reserve 75% of your life to get a bunch of mana, ES, and spirit

Take pain attunement

Crit ID mana stack with MoM

And maybe EB

[upper viper]

i can crit ID ?

[distant glade]

Does liches eternal life stop one shots if you have ES?

[dawn spire]

ID has a 7% crit chance

[upper viper]

O_O

SO i can crit stack that forker

[dawn spire]

No, it overflows into your life

[distant glade]

That’s what I thought thanks lol just wanted to clarify before making one

[dawn spire]

Problem with infernalist mana stacking is that mana stacking got gutted in almost every way. The good news is that infernalist reservation nodes DIDN'T get nerfed

So infernalist might be the road to the highest max mana in the game rn

Reserve life to get mana and es (which you turn into mana with EB)

[upper viper]

Hmm yeah, i will see if i can get the lich to a comfy mapper with id and try and crit stack

if not, i make a infernalist

[dawn spire]

Going for crit, mana, and curses seemed to stretch my tree hella thin, though. But it might work

[patent shell]

well if i put conc effect my shockwave of stom ground support gets smaller

[dawn spire]

It's something I wanna do later on once I find some good mana gear

This isn't strictly true, yeah, as Majin pointed out. Impending doom is a support gem and benefits from other supports as well

[timid aurora]

So is frost Chrono good? Seems like it would have insane survival and cc

But not fast clear just very safe

See a few on the ladder . Frost wall. Frost bomb. And cast on crit and cast on freeze comets

Sounds real fun

[upper viper]

i just need 600% crit chance for spells to get 50% crit chance. And then a hell lotta multipler 😂

[timid aurora]

There is a forum at GGG main site of Chrono trying to find food unleash setups

Doesnt seem so good tho no one on ladder touching the skill

[violet grove]

That's because the Shockwave is a skill. Yeah...I should have added a few additional lines for edge cases, ha.

[dawn spire]

Unleash comet seems pretty neat, imo. But yeah, essence drain+Contagion is kinda hogging the spotlight for chrono imo. But cold chrono does seem very tanky and a solid hc option imo

[dawn spire]

Well, even the Ancestral support thing that turns a skill into a totem allows it to be supported by totem supports

[violet grove]

Yeah, because then it inherits that tag...

Gods I love this game. 🤩

[dawn spire]

If a support grants something that has a duration, a skill effect duration support would affect that duration

Like ice bite + persistence works

[violet grove]

Yeah.

Or the chaos damage aura chestpiece from PoE1. Had to put swift affliction on it to give duration to the skill.

[dawn spire]

Yeah, or lifetap on rf. Good times

[timid aurora]

Have you tried frostwall and frost bomb and cold snap . Seen the top Chrono running that on ladder. But his commet is from two meta gems cast on crit and freeze

Rather than unleash

[dawn spire]

I have not tried it, no. I'm surprised it's working so well despite the freeze nerfs. Maybe I'll try that next

Are they running the 33% CD bypass node to skip the frost bomb CD?

[timid aurora]

Ya

[dawn spire]

I was wondering how good that could be

Can you link their ninja?

[timid aurora]

https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawn/character/Felonie51-0925/FeloStopjaifroid?i=1&search=class%3D!Witchhunter%2CChronomancer

[dawn spire]

Oh, interesting. I found a different one I think

I found one doing basically the same build in hcssf

2nd on the ladder

[timid aurora]

Nice

[dawn spire]

They only have 4 ascendancy points lmao

They went right for time snap but idk why

[timid aurora]

There are also a lot of aura buffers for party play on Chrono list I was confused at first

[dawn spire]

The only CD skill they're using is frost bomb, I think

Does cold snap have a cd?

[oblique sluice]

Hello. If igniting with the Unique helm that turns it into chaos damage, for the purpose of contagion and Dark Effigy, is it now counted as a Chaos DoT?

[timid aurora]

No but that guy put a gem on it that gives it a cd

And more dmg

[steady flint]

New support gem is pretty stupid for added damage if you scale ice crystal hp.
Im talking 400-700% stupid

[dawn spire]

Oooh, they're using it for convalesence

[steady flint]

If you can get added dmg by multiple ice crystals, which i havent tested myself.
Wording would imply so

[dawn spire]

I believe so, but I'm not sure if dark effigy only counts non-ailment dots or not

[dawn spire]

That's kinda nifty actually

And it doesn't need to be the skill that broke the ice

That's good

[pearl scroll]

how do u scale ice crystal hp beside 1 node on the tree

[steady flint]

Yeah, level 30 frost wall with 200% increased from tree and 100% more from gem gives 744% added dmg, if you break all ice crystals on 3 ice walls...

Only problem gotta do like 120k dmg in an AoE

[steady flint]

Frost wall gem lvl

[dawn spire]

There's a support that raises it as well, I think

[dawn spire]

How does that math work? 120k life per wall = 60% damage per wall = 180% added damage, not 744%

[steady flint]

Now imagine time snap, or skill effect duration on frost walls to setup more of them 💀

[steady flint]

120k something, cant remember exactly but i ended at 62% per ice crystal

Wording is ice crystal, not wall. Each wall has 4 ice crystals iirc

But full disclosure, i have not tested this.. Id just assume it works like this by the wording of skills and supports etc

[dawn spire]

Oooh, I see

So even with just three walls at, like, 10k life per crystal would be 60% extra damage. That's nuts for a single support gem

[violet grove]

I am half-considering moving my Rake/Stomping Ground Ritualist into Primal Strikes purely because thematically that's so neato burrito. But perhaps instead I ought to consider another class for that?

[dawn spire]

Can you screenshot primal strikes? I'm not sure what it does

[violet grove]

It honestly has "too much going on" for a simple screenshot, so here you are instead.

[steady flint]

And wording also implies the buff stacks with itself, or at least nothing indicates otherwise

[pearl scroll]

weird site

[violet grove]

Coudn't find it on the wiki 😦

[oblique sluice]

I think it works on poison which i an ailment? I should test that.

[dawn spire]

That's nifty. Stormweaver might be kinda cool for it. Gemling for skill levels and quality (crit damage bonus). Invoker monk seems to be kinda fitting as well.

[pearl scroll]

use poe2db

[dawn spire]

I think it does, yeah. I don't think dark effigy specifies non-ailment, so chaos ignite should work unless it's jank

[jade inlet]

Does word it as chaos damage over time debuff though

[dawn spire]

Yeah ignite is a debuff

And with that unique it will deal chaos damage over time

Should work on paper but if there's one thing I know about poe2 it's that not everything that should work does work. And some things that shouldn't work do work

[oblique sluice]

Isnt ailment a type of debuff

[dawn spire]

Yeah I think so

[jade inlet]

Ah yeah

[oblique sluice]

Ah yeah, Ailment tooltip says its a family of common debuffs

Thanks. Time to cook my jank haha

[dawn spire]

Glhf

[oblique sluice]

Honestly having firespells open up the lich tree a lot. There arent a lot of Hits happening with Chaos spells.

Combining it with poison magnitude gloves should do the trick

[jade inlet]

Trying to figure out ways of passively applying bleeding but doesn't seem there's a lot to play with.

[pearl scroll]

Whats the name of the unique i dont see anything like that in the game

[steady flint]

Wouldnt this be clunky?
Frost bomb wants reduced skill effect duration while frost wall wants increased skill effect duration.. This means you gotta swap weapon every time you use the combo

[steady flint]

Id assume the helm that ignites + ring that converts ignite to chaos.
Think radiant grief + blackflame?

[oblique sluice]

My bad it isnt a helm. Its a ring.

[pearl scroll]

oh thought so

[pearl scroll]

It should work i think

[oblique sluice]

Yup. It is jank though because you would need to scale both fire and chaos damage.

[dawn spire]

Seems like they take reduced skill effect duration on the tree without weapon swapping. I'd imagine that the wall is put down after the frost bomb and that's what detonates it

[atomic raft]

is there a universe where temper weapon is viable on smithy

[jade inlet]

Can't tell if Gas Arrow + Malady is potentially juicy.

Guess I test later.

nvm arrow itself doesn't have chance to poison, so even if it didn't convert the gas's poison, it doesn't really do anything.

I had a moment of thinking if it converted arrow but not gas cloud, it does both.

[dawn spire]

It seems very good with supports to buff skill speed like hit and run and the other one that lets you consume frenzies to get skill speed. Assuming those work

And then use it with a huge, chunky 2h build like hammer of the gods

I imagine you just wouldn't use temper weapon very much while mapping and only use it for bosses and tough rares

[steady flint]

Ah yeah probably, but for bossing youd like to stack more of them tho..

[pearl scroll]

why would you want to turn poison into bleed when poison notables seem way better

[dawn spire]

Should still work. The duration of frost wall isn't that short

[dawn spire]

Seems like there are more support gems that do strong stuff vs bleeding enemies tho

[jade inlet]

I'm looking at means of constantly applying bleed without having to alternate between two skills.

So cloud for x seconds, while using another skill that consumes the bleed is what I was going for.

Blood Hunt, Herald of Blood and Blood Boil doesn't seem the worst combo. (Blood boil to 'passively' get it going with corrupted blood)

However that doesn't work on bosses. So rather than fulling swapping kit, I was seeing if there was 'passive' bleeding.

[dawn spire]

Idk if there are nodes that give thorns chance to bleed, but that might work

[jade inlet]

Bleed is pretty much exclusively attacks, and thorns is secondary damage.

I say pretty much, spells have it

[steady flint]

Id prob get 64% reduced skill effect duration so it feels better, but then frost wall duration is fucked

[dawn spire]

Maybe a cast on melee kill bone cage or something

[jade inlet]

Wait hang on.

That's generic

[sterile parrot]

Hey guys I’m new to the game but just wanted to ask a few questions mainly is there any good build usage for spectre bind? As I can’t find anything online? Many thanks in advance

[dawn spire]

Frost wall also breaks from enemy hits and big things running into them, so you don't always need to kill them yourself

[jade inlet]

omg Incisions

[dawn spire]

Vaal guards are the only ones I've heard of people actively seeking out but idk why

[jade inlet]

It's purely when hit.

[dawn spire]

Yeah, when the enemy gets hit

[pearl scroll]

there is atsaks sight and plaguefinger for armor options and splinter of loratta if u wanna use spear skills

with malady

[dawn spire]

I wonder how that works with a skill that says cannot inflict bleeding

Does incision go up to 100% and never pop?

[jade inlet]

Should be

[eternal vale]

Can s1 tell me why i lose dps when i dual wield my two-handed maces? Raw dmg single is 1927. Dual is 1349+1130 (took max. value). The ign dmg is also the same

[jade inlet]

Problem is, Blood Hunt can't inflict bleeding, so a second skill would be needed.

It's why I was looking into durational stuff like the gas cloud.

I had also looked into Spear Field and Caltrops.

[sterile parrot]

So just not super popular or meta I’m guessing? Cheers

[dawn spire]

There are hundreds of monsters and the gem has been out for three days. And it's also very hard to test lots of them. No one knows yet

[jade inlet]

If leap slam:

[dawn spire]

What skill are you using? And can you show the maces?

Oh, yeah, leap slam

[pearl scroll]

Splinter of loratta always poisons on hit so it would always bleed on hit no? and atsaks sight has poison on crit so u just stack crit chance

[dawn spire]

So if your maces have very different damage values, dual wielding can lower your damage

[jade inlet]

Blood Hunt can't apply bleed, it's a payoff skill, so matter where the bleed is coming from, you can't apply bleed with it.

Converting from Poison to Bleed is still bleed.

[sterile parrot]

Ahhh ok I didn’t know it’s a new thing but it makes sense thank you

[eternal vale]

the 30% is already in the calculation

the 2nd mace is doing more dmg then i would lose over the 30%

[pearl scroll]

ohh okay i dont understand what ur trying to accomplis

[eternal vale]

1927-30% is 1348,9

the range of the 2nd mace is also better and should therefore not fall into weight since i used max dmg value. (correct me if im wrong pls)

[pearl scroll]

oh I see Im not sure there are

[steady flint]

Some skills hit twice, but only show dmg of 1 hit that is then reduced by 30%

[jade inlet]

Seeing this makes me wonder if bleed will even work with thorns, since they fixed the other stuff but no mention of bleed.

And pre 0.2.0 it was apparently like armour break and didn't work.

Meh, I can test it easy enough.

[dim fox]

Hi, what are the playable build atm? tested ED+ contagion and i fell asleep while playing, any recommendations ?

[eternal vale]

yeah ill try it on silverback and see. just wanted to make sure im completly wrong on the math before spanding an hour on calculating

[ocean fiber]

Hello guys, can someone tell me if you can procc through companion abilities. Exemple :
If my companion crit, does it count as crit for myself ? Does it fill CoC meta ?
If my companion shock, do I procc Frenzy charges with the frenzy spirit gem enabled ?

[pallid wigeon]

Any way to automatically perma bleed monsters?

[jade inlet]

What you wanting the bleed for?

(As in are you constantly consuming it?)

[opaque bluff]

Is the pathfinder movement penalty, and momentum supports actually reduced rather than less? Seems stacking them feels pretty strong rather than making the support feel unnecessary?

[frail sedge]

Is there a reverse way to Adamant recovery? Something like increases to energy shield also apply to armour? Or mana to armour (other than the ubique chest)

[fierce valve]

hello trying to use the trader tool of pob, but this error shows when trying to search for a weapon

[fringe lagoon]

If I do a t16 map does doryiani start selling t15s?

[dim fox]

Hi, what are the playable build atm? tested ED+ contagion and i fell asleep while playing, any recommendations ?

[solid walrus]

plz ANYONE fucking PLZ! wtf is going on, during fighting all of a sudden my skills keep going grey and i cant use them, it happens constant and randomly, whats going on?

it forces me to play frogger for mins at a time even during boss fights

[swift estuary]

Do you have a skill or effect that lowers your stats?

[solid walrus]

no everything is up to date and stats are all active

im absolutely slapping, then suddenly skills go grey and i have to wait like a min running around until it suddenly is back on

[swift estuary]

If you do something that lowers a stat that is required to use a skill or dips you below your support gems allowance, the skills grey out until you fix it

Are you getting debuffed or cursed?

[solid walrus]

nothing like that, its all up to date and way beyond my needed points

not at all

[willow tulip]

if a companion has "all damage ignites" does that effect my attacks as well

[solid walrus]

no companion

[willow tulip]

?

[swift estuary]

Oh

You are weapon swapping

Check your keybinds

[solid walrus]

not swapping

it just doesnt make any sense, it keeps happening for like 3 hours now and suddenly nothing at all is improper

[jade inlet]

TIL magma barrier feels neat on buckler / parry.

Since you re-guard after each parry, getting spammed by enemies means you can just hold down for magma barrier, no timing needed.

Useless though unless you can sort out the stun build up / damage from being constantly hit

[opaque bluff]

Am i right to think that pathfinder life flask node lets you use ES flasks with eternal youth and CI?

[lime tinsel]

still no way to get minions to taunt right, not even wit hthe new companions?

i would very much prefere if mobs diddnt beeline straight at my lich ignoring my minions 👀 may have to get frostwall with the fortress gem

[patent shell]

does this mod increase my overall ele dmg or just the ele dmg of the weapon ?

[jade inlet]

Overall (with attacks), same as if you had 59% increased elemental damage with attacks on tree

[mild latch]

Guys, can we anoint Mind over matter?

[solid walrus]

read the skill it literlaally tells u above the name if has annoints or not

[willow tulip]

what you think the odds of finding a beast to tame that has: conjures flamewalls, all damage ignites, and haste or elemental aura

[atomic halo]

no, you cannot anoint keystones.

[mild latch]

Can we summon multiple beast tames?

[mild latch]

I got beast with invulnerable aura and it's amazing ! Every 15 sec or so makes you invulnerable for 5 sec

[gaunt epoch]

is Fresh clip support gem bug atm? it doesnt increase at all during action but it increase a teeeeensy bit when equipping it

[willow tulip]

i think u can have max 1 companion

[willow tulip]

sick, i havent seen that yet on a beast

using this currently

[mild latch]

All damage ignites can open some possibilities for support gems

[sharp glade]

all damage of the mob not yours

[willow tulip]

that only effects the companion right?

[mild latch]

Oh... I thought it was aura as well...

[mild latch]

How much resist does the elemental resist aura give ?

[willow tulip]

20% to all i beleive

[mild latch]

That's very nice!!!

[willow tulip]

yee

[sharp glade]

mum: we have purity of elements at home

[burnt gust]

do you think Serpent's Egg is a good unique for lightning spear?

[jade inlet]

It works, generic bleed works on thorns

Blood Hunt Thorns build here I come

[gaunt epoch]

have any1 tested if fresh clip is currently not working?

because it doesnt seems to b working for me at all

[austere reef]

With Kitokos current and three dragons helm, does lightning dmg contribute to both freeze and electrocute?

[solid walrus]

during fights, all my skills suddenly and randomly go unlit, everything which leaves me completely fucked, its happening nonstop and i have no reason for this, everything except one skill does this "dark effigy:" i dont understand wtf is going on and its literally gatekeeping my gd progress someone know wtf is going on? all the typical things all checked off, no stats are all propoer upgraded for my skills, blh blah blah

[short swan]

hey guys can someone explain to me how exactly added elemental damage like this scales with skills? for example lightning spear. It convers physical to elemental damage, so then is that 3-39 lightning damage just get added as flat dmg?

i just never know if its worth it to have added elemental damage or should just keep it 100% physical

[solid walrus]

only if it says all convertedm-, usually it says 10-20-30% converted

[short swan]

so then what happens to the rest of the damage? thats not converted

[solid walrus]

yes it stay as.

[pearl scroll]

Wait what

You can get just free ignite???

[bold oxide]

did you take the lich node that makes your skills have an energy shield cost

[pearl scroll]

No it converts it

[solid walrus]

gfdi u r the mother fuking goat smh i didnt even realize it

[austere reef]

there is no conversion going on, both Kitokos and Three Dragons specifically state that lightning damage CONTRIBUTES to electrocute and freeze respectively

[bold oxide]

lol no worries. cant really take that node until much later on when you have a ton of ES recharge

[radiant yarrow]

what's the better pick between lightning spear and storm lance with this patch with it's attack speed? Both could electrocute to build frenzy charges with combat frenzy but which one would do more dps?

[bold oxide]

spear for mapping, lance for bossing. use both

[fallow tulip]

any tacticians using this node?

I just learned that apparently siege cascade does not trigger the ballistas to shoot

for some reason

[vital plume]

are there any interesting off meta builds to play rn?

[last horizon]

for the Vaal Guard that blows up the gas clouds as a specter, do I want the "Vaal Excoriator" for 50 spirit? I don't see any other Vaal mob with 50 spirit...?

[mighty wing]

anyone playing or does anyone have a lightning warp build they could share?

[willow tulip]

how do u get a rhoa mount?

[polar oasis]

Does anyone know if Iron Reflexes takes in to account % increased evasion?

[radiant yarrow]

thing is I'm adding it to a blood build so I only have 2 slots open for gems, 1 is combat frenzy, others are rake, disengage, blood hunt, herald, barrage, wind dance, and blood mark, maybe remove wind dance but I feel I'll become more squishy then so idk, I could prob keep switching depending on where I am ig

[static torrent]

It's a Spirit Gem, available from Uncut Spirit Gems at gem level 14 or above.

[bold oxide]

well what do you feel is missing? why are you thinking of adding one or the other? do you need clearing or single target

[atomic halo]

no

just inc. armour

[woven otter]

When impale support says store 30% of pre-mitigated damage, does it mean the impaling hit will deal 30% less upfront?

[trail lark]

Guys quick question, it says 80% of physical damage will be convert to Fire damage on a skill i used, so should i use physical rune or fire rune on my weapon to increase the fire damage of the skill ?

[radiant yarrow]

ill think about that more I use it, think I'll go lance tho, thanks

[swift estuary]

I remember seeing a skill or something on the 27th where bleeding damage was turned into crystals that explode.

What ability is that?

[wheat marlin]

are there any builds doing well in the campaign right now? ED/contagion just isn’t fun to play for me

[sonic blade]

What are peoples thoughts on using Giants Blood to achieve a higher damage on Watch How I do It for the Tactician? Maybe using Chobers as a weapon for early game

Going for a minion build

[thorny pasture]

Is there any way to constantly apply shock like passively? Primal strikes consumes it so wondering if there's a way I can effectively for bosses just keep reapplying and consuming

[sonic blade]

Conduction?

[thorny pasture]

Is that a support? I'm not good with names

[sonic blade]

Yeah it is. Tier 1

[sage tulip]

is there anyway to design a character similar to AINZ OOAL GOWN from overlord show ?

[thorny pasture]

Hm alright and does anybody know if thunderous leap counts as a projectile attack? Probably not right

[sonic blade]

No I believe its movement

Look at the tags at the top

And if you want to know if itll fit, hit the button to show all.

[thorny pasture]

Bet thanks, lightning huntress thematically is gorgeous, can't wait to hit endgame with it

[shy ermine]

Xbow deadeye shreds.

[wheat marlin]

What skill?

[shy ermine]

Galvanic shards and shockburst rounds. Use bens mobalytics guide

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/deadeye-leveling-build

Then switch to his lightning crossbow build after campaign

[sonic shuttle]

Is critical strike chance for spells relevant with dot build with essence drain and contagion?

[timid aurora]

Go to poe ninja looks at top Deadeyes

Top ladder builds

[wheat marlin]

Wait poe2 ninja exists??? When did that happen?

[timid aurora]

Crossbow is great now. Grenade builds, bullet builds, and ballista builds all 3 are great atm

Deadeye , wh, gemling, tact eating good

If you get good gear that is

[quartz plaza]

anyone try spear warrior? is it decent

[tawdry orbit]

Is magma barrier warrior still a thing?

[patent shell]

is 20-30k dps good for endgame ?

[tawdry orbit]

No, unless you’re like stacking a debuff that does that a whole lot. Then it’s a start

[white palm]

guys... help me out here. I am trying to do "aurabot" for my buddy playing gas arrow. so I thought to make tactician to scale his phys dmg. is it worth it? if he goes deaths harp and i add 25% of my crossbow to his flat, it should be huge no?

[tawdry orbit]

If you’ve got a good xbow.

[white palm]

well the unique harp bow does basically little no do phys dmg so it should be noticable? or any other idea what to play as duo? maybe lich for Unholy might? we still act 3

[carmine flicker]

It's more about 200-300k for endgame

[white palm]

no tips on support class for ranged class?

[tawdry orbit]

Idk how common aura bots for poe2 are. You’re prolly better off testing the math in PoB.

[dim fox]

Hi, what are the playable build atm? tested ED+ contagion and i fell asleep while playing, any recommendations ?

[white elbow]

when going evasion as your primary defense, if you are not 100% capped should you sprinkle in armor or ES until that point?

[distant glade]

What’s working for hcssf other than smith?

[distant glade]

Boneshatter

[distant glade]

You generally want multiple layers of defense

Not armour tho cause it’s ass. Something like ES/life stacking/block

[dim fox]

i just saw a storm wave invoker build, is it good ?

[distant glade]

No idea

[dim fox]

im afraid it will drop off for mapping

[upper pendant]

easy to reach high enough evasion while hybrid ES

[tranquil raptor]

hey, any tips for a builds which rely on single or two skills and has somewhat decent movement speed? I ran concoction build previous league and it was amazing. Currently running chaos lich and it feels so bad

[distant glade]

Poe 1

[tranquil raptor]

if they even do another full league will try it

concoction build was really fun so it's possible on poe2 too

or maybe someone just could share builds they had success with not counting huntress

[bold oxide]

get more movespeed on boots and use blink

[tranquil raptor]

i just feel like using contagion->essence drain feels weird, sometime it doesnt event hit same mob so you have to spam them like crazy

[bold oxide]

use essence drain first. and put Chain support on it

getting a good chunk of cast speed will help smooth it out as well

look up captainlance on youtube, hes doing edc lich and its very strong

[tranquil raptor]

will check it, thanks for tips

[twilit cairn]

i just found a good crossbow, which xbow skills are nice to lvl up with? lvl 18 atm.

[soft cargo]

Is there a way to convert physical to lightning damage on gear?

[slender furnace]

has anyone actually tested in game Tactician "Watch How I Do It" with ballista totems?

all I get from google is assumptions

[full meadow]

would a cast on 'x' proc off a companion to cast something like a mark?

likely niche if it does, but might be an idea

[dawn spire]

Chronomancer is solid imo. Pathfinder might have potential with that ele damage reduction node

Infernalist mana stacker might also be good if you have nice mana gear

[distant glade]

Thanks I’ll check those out , I was looking at lich too. If the sc economy goes to shit cause of the dupe I’m gonna reroll hcssf

[wicked tree]

If a boss is resistant to lightning, does that mean his ailment threshold is higher too? I'm looking at poe2db and can't find ailment thresholds for enemies

[dawn spire]

It does not. Ailment threshold is independent of resistances

But if their lightning resist is high, it's harder to shock them since you're doing less lightning damage to them.

[lime prairie]

I know it's early, but is there anywhere that lists the spirit values for mobs for the summon specter gem? I have a good(ish) build going that is interesting but I wanna do dumb stuff with it and the only thing I've found so far that is dumb cheap is terracotta warrior for 10 spirit, everything else is 60+

[soft cargo]

Does anyone know if there is a way to convert physical damage to cold or lightning through gear?

[pallid kestrel]

have u tried if they can be scaled with crits?

[violet berry]

Is infernalist witch still powerful enough for endgame? I know people struggle with her early game, but infernalist minions was lowkey one of the best builds in season 0, will it still play well in endgame this season?

[jovial panther]

Anyone have any advice of tanky builds? you can share the link with me

[alpine parrot]

after i use a ranged attack it goes ot 33k dps, and i got some dps on aliments nodes
but any tips to change the support gems for more damage?

[wild sleet]

Does anyone know how to scale spell beyond gem levels? As I want to keep my cost somewhat low

[quartz tinsel]

% Damage gained as extra mods

[quartz tinsel]

Galvanic Shards

[royal hamlet]

does this also affects spirit on amulets?

[wild sleet]

Is that all and archmage?

[jovial panther]

Is there any tanky build for warrior few mechanics?

[static plinth]

Lightning Spear was 40% AS prior to the patch right?

[ebon valve]

Ghazzy has a spreadsheet. Search his recent vids on YouTube for the link.

[swift aspen]

what is the point of Lich 'Eternal Life' node beyond grabbing Heavy Buffer and Atziri's?

[kind crest]

Play smith of kitava

Very tanky easily

[swift aspen]

yeah kitava EHP is wild