2┃build-planning

[meager tulip]

Hmmm higher damage and possibly clear screens in an instant in end game or stay strong and alive

[snow cypress]

"You aim for the key node you need, grabbing the side nodes along the path as you go. bump u have a build

[celest blaze]

had this last patch as gemling, 11/10 hard recommend

[fickle orbit]

Thats what i have

[snow cypress]

or just pop 5 mir and ull be fine

[fickle orbit]

But yeah ill re-link it again because it all scrolled past.

https://pobb.in/X8RjhksRphvT

[snow cypress]

no need any yt guide anymore play the wild style

[meager tulip]

Go back to standard league and try out all the skill gems and support gems! Then ull know what u like

[celest blaze]

I'm also considering a high life EB Lich lol

The trick will be making sure you can get rid of your energy shield to heal when you need to, which you kind of can with the "spend mana on non-channeling skills" thing.

[meager tulip]

Sorry 😦

[snow cypress]

idk armour still wont be meta defensive tho

[celest blaze]

massive understatement detected

[fickle orbit]

not much else you have in bottom left corner

unless you go block?

but then your dps is basically 1hander

[meager tulip]

Magma barrier will sit perfectly w smiths nodes

[snow cypress]

lets say if u warior enjoyer then ofc armour always ur 1st choice

they introduces significant balance changes, but it seems evasion and energy shield mechanics are still holding strong in the meta2. While armor has received some tweaks, it hasn't overtaken evasion or energy shield as the dominant defensive strategies. Players are still favoring builds that maximize survivability and sustain, especially for longer boss fights

[meager tulip]

Few more paragraphs and we will have patch notes

[shut blaze]

Hey everyone, I want to get some clarity on some interactions to make sure I'm not second guessing myself. when is comes to "Pinned targets can no longer Evade" I'm correct in thinking that at that moment the target has no evasion at that time correct?

[snow cypress]

trust me unless they rlly fix how deft layer work then armour in this game wont never be meta deft

[mighty wing]

dont do your father dirty like that

[snow cypress]

you're correct, When it says "Pinned targets can no longer Evade," it means that while the target is pinned, their evasion is completely disabled. At that moment, the target effectively has zero evasion. Any attacks against them will hit directly, without being affected by their evasion stat. It's a powerful mechanic for ensuring consistent hits.

[hidden siren]

basically means find the screen clearing build again so u dont have to go defenses

[celest blaze]

the great thing about armor is it's dirt cheap to trade for

[hidden siren]

we can get pinned too right

[shut blaze]

Thanks, I appreciate the response.

[hidden siren]

how many are going huntress on league start

[shut blaze]

I am

[hidden siren]

or going back to og class

[celest blaze]

I will likely go memetava

[radiant wraith]

I go Smith sorcerer

Triple or penta fireballs caster

I wanna ded PC

[snow cypress]

Let’s be honest if you’ve sunk multiple mirrors into your build, you’ll manage just fine. This patch seems designed to make pinnacle bosses feel similar to fighting Uber bosses in PoE1. Even with ridiculous investments of mirrors, it’ll take time to bring them down, instead of effortlessly one-shotting them. i guess so

[mighty wing]

bro is slowly turning into the smith sorc himself

[radiant wraith]

Smith sorc fulltank panzer

[meager tulip]

Do u shoot maces?

[radiant wraith]

Yes

[snow cypress]

The tier 0 pinnacle bosses are meant to ease casual players into the challenge, making them more approachable. However, after that, things get much tougher, especially with the nerfs we’re now aware of. but after all XD always a mtfk from random shit on pon with his 20m dps build appears

[hidden siren]

maybe but itll take longer to get there unless people find new ways to dupe or exploit to get a lot of currency

[signal sky]

if i use a wand with a curse that has increased spell dmg and fire then use a fire skill with a weponswap to like a mace will it increase my dmg with the mace when the curse is down?

[cedar aspen]

Correct me if I’m wrong. They stated that they would be keeping the previous league and will be able to use our previous characters within that, but might have to reallocate our skill tree due to the reset.

So does this mean we can experiment with the new changes with our old characters to see what still works and what doesn’t?

[radiant wraith]

Yes

[hidden siren]

this league was fucked by the economy and exploits

[snow cypress]

they fixing alot, we all know GGG sometimes make dumb patch but with duplicate item they fix it and calm it down kinda quick

[hidden siren]

yeah ik i just mean itll take a lot longer for the economy to crash and lots of the top tier gear on the market

[snow cypress]

GGG's thing XD

[hidden siren]

which is a good thing

[snow cypress]

im rlly curious 7 added modifier for morior

[hidden siren]

but builds like fubguns is less likely to be followed

well at least the expensive builds

howa builds temporalis etc

got nerfed too

[last horizon]

howa is dead

[snow cypress]

1% per 25 dex

[main spear]

Need to decide to either do minions or crossbow lol

[snow cypress]

ruby this patch will fly high

or just being rlly dead when everyonme realize class for ruby still suck

[civic dew]

guys I planned to startout with monk as I am a noob and there is a good guide on how to get thourgh campaign - I planned to take this solely as league starter to get some economy going before I go something else - I understand the patch has nerfed several things but can someone who does understand it tell me if monk invoker is still a viable choice or if I should look for something else

[narrow rapids]

is there a build for sekhema carrys and farming? as a league starter or

[snow cypress]

Monk Invoker has indeed taken a hit in this patch, and it might not be the best choice for newcomers anymore due to the complexity of its mechanics and the nerfs making it less forgiving. If you're new to the game and looking for something straightforward to start with, Huntress is an excellent alternative. Huntress builds tend to focus on ranged combat and clear-speed efficiency, which makes the campaign progression smoother and more enjoyable for beginners. Starting with Huntress can help you establish a good economy quickly while providing a simpler and more effective playstyle to adapt to. You can experiment with different setups later once you're more comfortable with the mechanics.

anyways if u just want chill experience with poe2 as a chill game not hardcore then any class still gonna fine

but if u want leauge start going huntress

[snow cypress]

seke neft duno whaat u trying to farm tho, unless they add more specific reward

[civic dew]

thanks for your input - I am the kind of noob that stil has 600 hours over poe1 and 2 and I have leveled a monk in the past league - if take huntress do I go for amazone ascendancy?

[snow cypress]

any is fine if u still want to farm, but meh they add more thing to encourage player touch grass

[rugged sand]

anyone post a good huntress guide yet

[snow cypress]

ye dont go for ritualist

its super expensive build as we see on asen tree

[snow cypress]

just play wildly on campaign gitgud dodging boss mobs skill fri

[rugged sand]

lol ok

[snow cypress]

or try to increased lgihtning spear and heral thunder then u gonna fine

dodging always the key in campaign if u dont want spend any currency in lveling stage

[rugged sand]

campaign will take me 2 days anyway so im sure something will come out

[narrow rapids]

i thought maybe boss carry would be good atleast

[rocky thistle]

Hey Guys ! i didn't have the time to check the patch notes yet i'm at work but i heard the bell has been nerfed + gemling aswell ??

[celest blaze]

okay, so, energy bypasses energy shield for lich:

Lich ascendancy itself: 10%
nerfed Atziri's Disdain: 10% (corrupted: 13%?)
New Heavy Buffer: 5%

Total max: 28%. Anything I'm missing?

[celest blaze]

yeah, but if it makes you feel better pretty much everything was nerfed lol

[snow cypress]

Let’s focus on the changes to the Ascendancy node passive tree. You’ll notice they’ve buffed the defensive layers, making it easier to earn Ascendancy skill points if you actively play the game. However, the damage output for all classes in this patch remains uncertain and isn’t something you can rely on yet. Basically, this means we won’t know if there are any reliable carry builds until we can actually play the 0.2.0 patch and test things out ourselves.

[faint wind]

net difficulty increase for everyone lol

[austere reef]

Also hard to tell exactly what is gonna be horrible or busted right now as we don’t have the numbers on the gems, basically all gems got base numbers changed

[snow cypress]

carry is always the needed service but maybe in leauge start asking for it when the patch game not even out kinda blind for all of us

[hidden siren]

i wonder how mnay will play on old league

[snow cypress]

lmao

[austere reef]

I can also see some uniques being added that would help with a lot of these things being nerfed. For example I could definitely see a unique being added that removes or lowers the new limit to hexblast

[snow cypress]

We wander in the dark, grasping for clarity, yet our expectations of the unknown shimmer like fleeting illusions. What can one expect from another when the path itself remains veiled? Perhaps it is not answers we seek, but the courage to step forward into uncertainty. play the game bud

[radiant wraith]

Well old league with broken exonomy but still fixed stats haha

[hidden siren]

nah people will play on old league bc theres a bunch of uniques that got nerfed and they have the unnerfed stuff

[radiant wraith]

Legacy builds 😛

[mighty wing]

me who has waited for theese nerfs for 3 months

[snow cypress]

idk its rage bait joke or any but If you stick to the comfort of the familiar and safe, you may later see others thrive as they take risks and embrace something new. You'll feel like you're trapped in your own safe zone while they soar ahead. In the context of PoE2 and poe1, starting fresh in a new league is where the real opportunities to build up the economy lie, but some still believe staying in Standard will pay off. for those newbie with ego "why would i go to that suck no currency leauge to play" then yeah enjoy it lol

[hidden siren]

a few will def try new, complain they are weak and go back to gear that hasnt been nerfed

[snow cypress]

avg december 2024 path of exile player

nah ill stop it out of channel topic

mb mods pls dont ban me daddy

[mighty wing]

server po po will get ya

[hidden siren]

hot take i think most legacy builds will be fine

other than stuff that had unintentional interactions, stuff that had high dmg will do endgame stuff just fine just slower

[snow cypress]

we all hope

[hidden siren]

u can live with ur build not killing a pinnacle in less than 10 seconds

[deft osprey]

Do we have datamines for the new skill/supp gems yet

[celest blaze]

maybe

If after all this Archmage Spark is still king of the heap I will fly to new zealand myself

[deft osprey]

It probably will be up until the first pinnacle

[celest blaze]

anyone know any ways you can controllably hurt yourself (in game, this isn't a plea for help)

Something like turning on and off a strong RF like degen

[faint wind]

same assuming I don't die lol

[hidden siren]

what has been nerfed with spark

[snow cypress]

we can say everything

[faint wind]

spark, archmage, ascendancy, mana on gear, etc

[deft osprey]

Almost every across the board by at least 50%. Some uniques are 5x less effective.

[celest blaze]

I'm still not sure it'll be enough

that thing was dumb

temporalis infinite blink also

What I was not expecting this patch

Was nerfing max life

like, what

and no touch to armor. At ALL.

[deft osprey]

I didn’t even see that

My build planning is definitely making chrono again I loved it in s0

[hidden siren]

max life nerf + ailment threshold nerf

[celest blaze]

eveeeeeeeeerywhere in the patch

Cruel quest gives 5% inc instead of 8%, morior invictis 5% life gone, gemling now has a 20% stat penalty on its 'more inherent bonuses node', max life removed from uniques in a few places

Wherever there is a vlue it was dropped by several percent. And stat stacking across the board took a hit, which is where life comes from mostly

[hidden siren]

maps with ground modifiers were ok idk about now

[celest blaze]

if I made my same gemling in 0.2, I'd go from about 7K life to, uh, 4 - 4.5K ish maybe

[deft osprey]

I heard that they nerfed monster damage/hp (not just bosses) is that true? I didn’t see generic modifications in the notes

[celest blaze]

I haven't seen anything about that

[deft osprey]

Istg they said something in q and a but then didn’t put it in the notes

[celest blaze]

one would think that would be in the notes

[deft osprey]

Like I know trial bosses and first level pinnacle

Got a 50% hp nerf

[celest blaze]

right, in the notes

"oh and by the way we changed all monsters but didn't think it was important enough to tell you, idk"

[deft osprey]

Ugh I have to comb through all the interviews

[celest blaze]

if it's not in the notes, it didn't happen

[radiant wraith]

So what if i still mąkę op weaver build?

NERF again or i get a new car

[deft osprey]

I have ptsd from blizzard still

[celest blaze]

believe it or not, warrior nerf

[hidden siren]

oh no perm cc on bosses i think?

Bosses that need to perform certain actions to progress their fight will now become immune to damage if their life is brought significantly past the point at which that action should be used. This should have no noticeable effect to most players, but will prevent cases where bosses could get semi permanently crowd controlled and prevent the fight from progressing.

[deft osprey]

Basically forced phasing

[hidden siren]

yeah

[celest blaze]

non-issue

[hidden siren]

no more skipping phases

[celest blaze]

maybe

we'll know first time someone gets to Zarokh

[deft osprey]

I do like the nerfs I just wonder how much power we’re getting back in the gems

[faint fern]

anyone know Path of Building update when?

[hidden siren]

The Life of the following Pinnacle Bosses has been adjusted: Olroth, The Origin of the Fall, Xesht, We That Are One, The King in the Mists, and The Arbiter of Ash. At difficulty 0 they now have roughly half the maximum Life as before, scaling back up to be unchanged by difficulty 4.
The Life of The Trialmaster and Zarokh, The Temporal have been reduced.
The following bosses no longer have armour penetration: Olroth, The Origin of the Fall, Xesht, We That Are One, The King in the Mists, and The Arbiter of Ash.

[faint fern]

wanna plan my builds

[celest blaze]

many gems will be nerfed also

I'm guessing spark notably

[hidden siren]

pinnacle boss nerfs

[celest blaze]

well after release

[deft osprey]

Yeah I’m referring to an interview

[celest blaze]

no one has the info now, including PoB team

[deft osprey]

About general monster health

[faint fern]

hmmm, thought he may have all the patch notes needed to update but i guess it takes it from teh game itself

[hidden siren]

armor on all monsters have been reduced by 30% which idk if thats even good considering armor doesnt do much for players lol

[tight zenith]

hot take: i think ggg needs to stop gutting skills that were already worthless/mid
flameblast
hexblast
grenades
most minion skills
ailment scaling
player ailment threshold ?????? ????? ? ??? ??? ?

[deft osprey]

Could be heresay but I was watching anime princess and he said he heard that too

[celest blaze]

AFAIK not so much, but

[deft osprey]

Hot take I understand archmage nerfs but if they don’t make more scaling gems it’s still gonna be king

[tight zenith]

i love getting insta frozen and stunned
and not being able to log after !

[deft osprey]

Arch mage is also lowkey so boring to scale

[hidden siren]

so the play is to alt f4 if we get cced

[faint fern]

no, now that im looking at the patch notes again there is not enough detail at all for the passive tree alone to update, so yeah

[radiant loom]

Soulrend wasnt in 0.1 right?

[deft osprey]

Yeah they don’t say where they added stuff just that they added stuff

[celest blaze]

the goal is to get you to remember that charms exist, see

[tight zenith]

very possibly

[celest blaze]

and to build to prevent this sort of thing

[hidden siren]

the only useful charm was thr mf one

[deft osprey]

We should have a bingo

[celest blaze]

inverse is likely true now

You will need your freeze / stun charm

[tight zenith]

i think gemling int stacker will still be top tier

[hidden siren]

the issue with charms that some of them trigger off the tiniest bit of cc

[deft osprey]

Archmage still best
Ingenuity still BIS
Spark somehow returned
ES somehow still the best
Scalers? What scalers?

[rigid gazelle]

Am I crazy or spark/archmage does seem strong still ?

[deft osprey]

In the vacuum of the skill gem data, yes

And in the vacuum of the support gem data, yes

[main spear]

Just kinda curious what I should dive into and play tomorrow

[slender finch]

If everything else got nerfed, spark should still be good relatively

[deft osprey]

It being the only way to scale sorc is kinda the issue. We don’t know if they introduced alternatives

[main spear]

Lich minions, something crossbow

[hidden siren]

like i said i think the nerfs are overblown for some of the top tier builds

[main spear]

Or just stick to deadeye bow lol

Witchhunter crossbow got buffed

[tight zenith]

yeah why the fuck was widowhail not nerfed ????

[deft osprey]

I thought it was

[pseudo kayak]

Thoughts on best Carry + Support duo?

[snow cypress]

it is

[deft osprey]

Indirectly

[snow cypress]

'wym ?

[celest blaze]

So you know how they said that 12 jewels were removed? There are exactly 12 of the second-outermost-ring jewel slots:

[main spear]

Quiver got nerfed

[tight zenith]

ohh i see

[celest blaze]

also quiver jewels got nerfed

[deft osprey]

That meme on Reddit was the best

[hidden siren]

wdym huntress nerfs they didnt even get any time to play

[tight zenith]

amazon nerfed already ?

[celest blaze]

believe it or not, nerfed

[hidden siren]

the cutoff class on the bottom is druid

[deft osprey]

Devs when marketing their game: “we can’t wait to see the combinations the players come up with!”

Patch notes: “not like that”

[hidden siren]

just be more creative

there will be busted builds in a week or less

[deft osprey]

I am and had a pretty creative build that revolved around eye of winter and elemental equilibrium

I think it’s better somewhat but the nerf to lightning warp makes it hard

For shocked ground

[tight zenith]

"we will nerf damage so players will be more deliberate!"
(broken inaccessible builds will be even more dominant than they were before)

at least they nerfed magic find i guess

[deft osprey]

I really want to cook spellblades but no swords yet

There’s a lot of spellblade stuff on the tree too

[hidden siren]

sucks my tree is still right next to new classes/ascendancies

adding daggers will prob reset my tree again

[deft osprey]

Spellblade chronomancer will be what I play when everything is available

[woven otter]

Is there a reason why unique weapons have ass damage?

[deft osprey]

Until then I’ll experiment with chrono

[deft osprey]

Usually their effects are op

[hidden siren]

some are for lvling but the rest is a tradeoff on modifiers

[woven otter]

Most of the ones we have now are random and useless

[deft osprey]

Yeah I’m curious to see the datamined stuff

[woven otter]

For example all the QS are trash except pillar and that was super niche

[hidden siren]

has anyone even tried thorns build in 0.1?

[deft osprey]

If they nerfed the S tier uniques from 0.1.0 just to have them still be BIS I’ll be pissed

[signal sky]

bro only if they had crisendo on moltenblast

[pseudo kayak]

what's the expected time for the patch to roll out (and thus be data minable)?

[deft osprey]

I have a lot of copium hidden in my expectations for the new support gems and the skill gem adjustments and new uniques

[deft osprey]

Tonight I think

[wary patio]

im thinking of trying a warbringer corrupted cry build. i think this got nerfed in january i just cant find the patch notes of what ghot nerfed and how the new patch might have changed that. in case anyone knows and can help

[snow cypress]

lets have a look what i sumarize after re read patch note for all gemling int stacker inlcude templest spartk or other these are just my point with int stacking Key Factors for Gemling Intelligence Stacker:
Scaling Intelligence Synergy:
Despite nerfs to some unique items like Astramentis (reduced attribute scaling) and Hand of Wisdom and Action (lower per-Intelligence bonuses), intelligence stacking remains mechanically sound. These reductions hurt efficiency but don’t completely invalidate the build.

Mana Cost and Resource Management:

The increased cost multipliers on supports like Capacitor and Considered Casting might stretch mana sustain on a budget. However, mana-related adjustments in ascendancies like Stormweaver (improved mana regen passives) provide mitigation options.

Defensive Concerns:

Changes to mechanics like Soul Eater (weaker enemy buffs) and 30% reduced monster armor positively impact survivability and make physical builds less threatening.

However, heavy investment into hybrid defenses might still be needed to offset reduced mana-energy shield mechanics, as seen with uniques like Everlasting Gaze and Ghostwrithe.

DPS and AoE Clear Potential:

The build's DPS scaling is still decent but reduced slightly due to changes in skill scaling for resistance-reducing curses like Conductivity. Other notable reductions (e.g., Scouring Winds) might slightly lower resistance penetration efficiency.

Reduced projectile output in skills like Spark impacts AoE-focused intelligence builds, requiring supplemental options for clear speed.

Viability on a Budget:
Yes, Playable, but Challenging:

If you have experience optimizing intelligence-stacking builds and access to essential mid-tier items, the build is still capable of clearing most content, including endgame. However, effectiveness will depend heavily on careful itemization and leveraging synergies with passive tree adjustments.

With key upgrades or expensive uniques out of reach, the build may feel slower in scaling damage and survivability compared to pre-patch viability.

Alternative Considerations:
Fire- or Chaos-Based Builds:

Consider builds using elemental synergies, such as fire-focused setups taking advantage of Rathbreaker's fire vulnerability or Pyromantic Pact.

Chaos stacking builds might benefit from Withering Touch's revamped mechanics, though slightly harder to scale.

Stun-Focused Physical Builds:

With the monster armor reduction and increased rewards for stun mechanics (e.g., Titan’s Surprising Strength), a stun-heavy build could offer cost-effective scaling and utility in both solo and party play.

Verdict:
Gemling Intelligence Stacker is playable on a budget but less forgiving than before. If you're confident with its mechanics and willing to adapt to the nerfs, it’s still a strong late-game contender, albeit slower and more gear-dependent. If you prefer a smoother progression curve and ease of gearing, an alternative build leveraging recent buffs (fire or stun-based) might be a better choice. dont blame dont crush me its a penguin mind what u want ?

[hidden siren]

i like the nerfs but think es shouldve been nerfed harder

[radiant wraith]

Yes

[deft osprey]

They nerfed mana stacking and thus ES stacking a lot

[hidden siren]

theres still ways to recharge ur es fast isnt there

[tight zenith]

chatgpt moment

[deft osprey]

Dream fragments is probably not worth and Azure Gaze is 30% to 6%

[fleet crystal]

isn't es stacking more of survivability?

[tight zenith]

"fire and chaos based builds"

[hidden siren]

how big was the grim feast removal

[dapper violet]

hi, if I ATTACK a pack of monsters with AOE and my ACCURACY is low, how the HIT CHANCE is calculated?❔ ❔ ❔

[deft osprey]

Wallahi im finished

[snow cypress]

lmao spending time read it bro

[deft osprey]

Oh also

They changed how CI works

The conversion to 1 hp happens first now

[snow cypress]

even thought if im a chat gpt i wont make that stupid mistake this is arpg community where they will blame me with only theory planning so

[deft osprey]

That was more significant than everything else

If I understand how it worked previously correctly

[snow cypress]

ailemnt elemental now half by maximum life right ?

[thorny nacelle]

Is the new passive skill tree available anywhere yet by chance?

[deft osprey]

No, we don’t have the datamines yet

[thorny nacelle]

K ty

[deft osprey]

I actually think it’s fine now

[tight zenith]

i did, its accurate, just really sounds like ai
i dont think it will be a viable budget option, but once you get some currency i think spark archmage is still broken, cuz it has insane range and (effective) area of effect

theres not many spells that can go offscreen like spark can, thats absolutely invaluable

[deft osprey]

It’ll still be the easiest stackable defense until armor is reworked probably

[tight zenith]

imagine they dont rework armor lol

[snow cypress]

but in fact they rlly make spark chaser going play other build

[tight zenith]

i dont understand

[deft osprey]

I just think the defensive stats will have to be reworked. By design they’re unbalanced.

[pallid cargo]

guys, do you think the huntress is gonna be a decent bosser? i'm trying to look for a build boss oriented

[mighty wing]

pretty much every class can be a good bosser

[summer pasture]

Yes, bleed or crit based spears will be good

Not to mention open weakness

If going amazon

[tight zenith]

i dont think armor and es are unbalanced by design

[pallid cargo]

well, it depends.. there are build most boss oriented than others

[pallid cargo]

ok, i understand, tyvm

[deft osprey]

Armor doesn’t work on everything and is just currently worse than pure hp scaling

Evasion doesn’t work on everything and is better utilized as a sub defense, not a primary

Energy shield (with CI) works on everything and is easiest still to stack.

If you’re an investor it’s clear to understand what’s best.

I could misunderstand how these work but that’s my 2c

[tight zenith]

i think they need nerfs, and i think life needs some fucking buffs already, but otherwise they are fine

[tight zenith]

hp scaling... heh..

whos gonna tell him

[deft osprey]

Yeah well they nerfed that too

[snow cypress]

is there anyone know the math for accuracy vs evasion mod ?

[summer pasture]

Armor is definitely not fine, you need 12.5 times the hit to mitigate it compared to 5 times in Poe 1

[deft osprey]

Isn’t it in game

[deft osprey]

Ye

[summer pasture]

Math no, but in game it should be chance to hit evasive monster

[tight zenith]

i meant fine as not broken, armor is definitely really weak

[deft osprey]

But I’m also talking about the idea that you can’t evade or block or armor your way out of most things. You can ES your way out of most things though.

[summer pasture]

Monsters are supposed to be doing less damage so armor should be better

[deft osprey]

See I’m not the only one

[tight zenith]

wtf when did they say that

[deft osprey]

The problem is this didn’t make it into the notes

[deft osprey]

In the Q and A

I promise

[tight zenith]

ah ! something as inconsequential as a monster damage nerf. didnt make it. into the fucking patch notes.

makes sense

[deft osprey]

Or they didn’t do it

[tight zenith]

imagine just halving player ailment threshold for fun

imagine they did that

[deft osprey]

Let’s just see how it goes

[deft osprey]

[summer pasture]

It's probably to nerf es a bit, since thershold is based of life

[deft osprey]

Fun but at this rate it’s still going to be the best defence

[hidden siren]

pinnacles dont have armor pen

[deft osprey]

It’s literally designed to be unfortunately

[tight zenith]

i think there are few things players love more than getting frozen and stunned, clicking escape, and remembering you cant log anymore

[hidden siren]

i think armor is fine now

[tight zenith]

yea i pray for builds that dont use ES

walk in semi-juiced map, get hit twice, get stunned, die, repeat

[deft osprey]

[distant glade]

Sounds like a skill issue

[arctic falcon]

I guess the deadeye lightning rod build is still the best ranger build to level with seeing as it got hit the least with the nerf hammer?

[snow cypress]

amazon stacking accuracy work ? in theory ?

[summer pasture]

That's why I'm going thorns titan, stun with thorns then use hotg

[deft osprey]

Path of Exile: Prepare to Die edition

[hidden siren]

lvling is fine, endgame is nerfed

[summer pasture]

Yes in theory

[tight zenith]

ive heard its probably gonna be very strong yea

[deft osprey]

True for most builds

[snow cypress]

ugh i still like the charm stack ritualist theory even know it might be suck in reality

[tight zenith]

did patch notes mention anything about nerfing waystone prefixes ?

[summer pasture]

I'm of the belief they toned stuff down because of the new passives and 100 new supports, guessing they found some interactions that were a little to crazy

[hidden siren]

charms suck bc slots are tied to modifiers and not unlocked thru campaign imo

[deft osprey]

That’s my copium

[tight zenith]

or removing the auto-bricks like 25% pen ?

[limber lodge]

Naw they wanted the top end massively reduced. But thats fine top end builds will go from deleting level 4 arbiter in 0.5 seconds to doing so in 3 seconds. And it will take longer to achieve that level of gear

[snow cypress]

isnt amazon have alot path to go with that asen ? like many ways to build it tho

[tight zenith]

and the mid and low end builds will be eating piss and shit until 0.3.0

[hidden siren]

im reluctant on starting huntress for it to be nerfed way down in 2 weeks

[distant glade]

That’s why huntress is my 2nd character

[limber lodge]

Bad builds always exist in arpgs. I suggest at least playing a decent build. Middle of the pack builds will be fine. Phys slams got relatively buffed quite significantly for example. Some stuff got nuked tho RIP hexblast

And recombinators sound kinda insane. Double t1 rares are gonna be plentiful. Omen crafting should be way more available. Fracturing orbs will help. Etc. getting gear is going to be way easier

[tight zenith]

omen crafting will be more available ? i really really dont think so

if anything, they just gave tft mirror crafting a huge buff with fracturing orbs

[limber lodge]

I mean I think it's fair to assume. That's clearly the intention right?

[tight zenith]

whittlings and such will still be at piss minimum 5+ div, and you need tens if not hundreds for a mirror craft

[snow cypress]

already see bleed huntress XD

[tight zenith]

also, the back end of the margin of randomness is not something an average player can recover from

[rigid gazelle]

Bleed huntress is going to be super strong with that new bleed notable imo

Well really Any bleed build lol

[tight zenith]

getting in the lowest 20th percentile of luck in a mirror-adjacent craft will be like.. 200 div down the drain

[snow cypress]

even non bow path finder bleed concoction already have good theory to build

bleed on top ?

[mighty wing]

what concoction build?

[snow cypress]

bleed concoction

[mighty wing]

didnt they ruin it

[tight zenith]

i dont think great players will suddenly start being able to afford mirror tier crafting, the tfts and the beltons will be the ones that benefit

[snow cypress]

poison and bleed concoction still fine or even going fly high for dmg and deft

[tight zenith]

mirror tiers will be less expensive for normal players as consequence, but thats still gonna be like a mirror + 50 div minimum

[snow cypress]

they ruin other concoction but the poison and bleed safe and if passive tree suit it then it a buff

[dawn spire]

Man, I know I want to make either a pathfinder, Smith of Kitava, or a chronomancer. But I can't decide until I see supports gems and the unleash skill. Patch notes certainly helped (mostly to confirm I'm not doing corrupting cry gemling)

They actually destroyed corrupting cry gemling in basically every way

[distant glade]

Good

[dawn spire]

-Pins causing light stuns means you can't spam seismic cry
-The double effect of attributes got gutted
-No shocked ground from warping to a ball lightning

And quality on scepters no longer grants spirit

[tight zenith]

i was thinking about running a lightning warp ball lightning build, it didnt seem like it got hit that hard, how bad is the shocked ground nerf ?

[deft osprey]

I mean it was free unlimited shock

[mighty wing]

this would be fun aswell

[deft osprey]

I ran this along with Eye of Winter in 0.1

[dawn spire]

The shocked ground used to be absolutely insane. But they didn't touch the damage on them as far as I know. And culling enemies isn't too hard. A lot of bosses have adds

[deft osprey]

You can get all three elements on ground quickly then EoW slaps

[tight zenith]

fooey :(

[deft osprey]

But it’s way harder now

[tight zenith]

what % of damage was removed do you think ?

with the shocked ground removal + conduit nerf ?

[snow cypress]

instead of stacking att with templest, is normal lightning monk suit with templest flurry for bossin ?

[hidden siren]

i think pconc is dead since u dont base it off quiver anymore

[dawn spire]

Where spark, attribute stacking, mana stacking, and minions once reigned supreme... Now it's chronomancer's turn.

[ember parrot]

Will try my Shockburst warp gemling in standard and then decide if I play a Shockburst warp deadeye in Leauge...

[dawn spire]

I think pconc is dead because they deleted all the flask nodes

[olive tide]

top 5 league starters atm... GO

[ember parrot]

Not sure if HoT Clear gets nerfed as well or not

[distant glade]

No one knows

And anyone saying they do are wrong

[tight zenith]

probably just amazon huntress

a lot of ppl saying accuracy stacking will be very strong

very safe pick imo

[hidden siren]

top 5 league starters will be the ones that buy all the good gear

[snow cypress]

the life unique flask stonks ?

[dawn spire]

The best ones in my head so far:

1. Grenadier chronomancer
2. Chaos dot Smith of Kitava
3. Chaos dot evasion stacking pathfinder
4. Impending doom mana stacking infernalist (with EB, but we'll see...)
5. Chaos dot lich

[olive tide]

eh just trying to get an idea of what to play.. crossbows look so juicy

[olive tide]

so chaos dot insert ascendancy gotcha

[dawn spire]

You're getting it

[tight zenith]

what do you think about the 50% more crit damage bonus + gain 50% as additional fire damage on infernalist ?

[ember parrot]

Had fun with crossbow, thus me wanting to check if shockburst will get nerfed or not...

[olive tide]

ye if shcokburst and galvanic are even 75% of what they used to be theyll be great

[dawn spire]

I think ignite infernalist looks pretty cool, but not as cool as reserving 75% of my life, stacking mana, converting my es to mana, taking MoM, and blasting stuff with impending doom

[ember parrot]

Imo if shockburst HoT chain still works the clear will still be crazy.

[olive tide]

i think witchunters time is here tbh.. galvanic shards/shockburst gonna hit hard

[tight zenith]

why reserve so much life ?

[ember parrot]

Ever considered Lightning Ball + Lightning warp instead of Gal Shards?

[dawn spire]

Chronomancer has the last good way to restore energy shield. And, aside from ghostwrithe and mana conversion, they didn't really nerf energy shield

[tight zenith]

demonform is base life/stack now

[dawn spire]

Because that's what infernalist does. And doing so gives me more mana, es, and spirit

Which are all things I want

[olive tide]

ehh.. seems too slow.. gal shards shreds everything currently.. plus witchhunter explosion from ascendancy takes care of the rest

[dawn spire]

Lich + Decaying hex + Contagion + curse pops seems kinda insane for clear

[tight zenith]

ahhh, that sounds pretty sweet actually

[dawn spire]

Yeah, they unfortunately nerfed max mana sources in just about every way imaginable tho

Except for the infernalist node

So I'm clinging to hope

Unless the chronomancers unleash skill looks good, then I'm doing chrono 1000%

ES stacking chrono with literally any build, not sure what

Grenades are my first thought, but that might be hard to do while stacking es

[olive tide]

pretty sure they changed how conversion works too for mana, if i read it right anyways

[dawn spire]

What do you mean?

They only changed how conversion works when you set your pools to specific values, like with CI and blood magic

Yeah, nothing I'm talking about is related to that

[olive tide]

"Setting a stat to a specific value (such as Chaos Inoculation setting your life to 1 or Blood Magic setting your mana to 0) now occurs before conversion is applied to that stat, rather than being ignored by conversion." i think this is only affecting life, but have to think its going to affect other sources

[dawn spire]

If you take blood magic and use the amulet to convert mana to es, you now get zero es from that

[cinder raven]

So before ghostwrithe was working with CI?

[dawn spire]

As opposed to before, it would use your hypothetical mana you would have without BM

[dawn spire]

Yes

[cinder raven]

Damn didn't know that

[dawn spire]

It was converting your hypothetical life to ES

But I'm not planning on doing any of that for my infernalist

[olive tide]

youd think theyd release the ascendancies with changes.. like they did before initial release, so we know what not to get stuck into

[limber lodge]

Chaos dot doesn't seem very strong to me. No mention of new dot nodes on tree. There's a couple new supports I guess idk. Maybe there's more that we will see in game

I could see impending doom mana stacker being good but why do that when you can just rerun sparchmage which will still be very good lol

It got nerfed by like 70% but 70% of a mega nuts build is still very strong

Generic huntress + anything will probably be great. Any blacksmith of Kitava build seems generically good. Minions, slams, whatever. Spectres are prolly gonna be insane and the most broken ones will be quickly nerfed.

[cinder raven]

What are the ways to reduce mana cost?

[limber lodge]

Biggest thing is inspiration support

[tawdry orbit]

What you guys think of bleeding concoction + haemocrystals

[ember parrot]

Question: Deadeye 'extra projectile' chews twice as fast through croasbow mags?

[olive tide]

i think we need numbers on concotions now that they wont work with widowhail

[tight zenith]

rue mentioned it in his prep video, seems like it could be rlly good

[fickle orbit]

If i have resolute technique (hits cannot be evaded) then i can ignore accuracy right?

[dawn spire]

50% fewer projectiles, 50% less damage from archmage, a lot less max mana available everywhere, double mana costs if taking EB, and flame wall damage halved.

Idk if that's a 70% nerf

[hidden siren]

im just going to start telling people grim feast wasnt nerfed

[tawdry orbit]

They buffed bleeding concoction bleed magnitude by 100%

[dawn spire]

Technically 50%

It went from 100% to 200% more magnitude

[tawdry orbit]

Yeah, with the buffs it seems hype, added bleed nodes to the passive tree in the area too

[dawn spire]

Which is 50% more

[olive tide]

yes but ur also using 40% more mana flask charges now too.. i didnt like the concotions too much tbh. ate up a lot of skill points to sustain them

[dawn spire]

They also removed a ton of flask sustain nodes on the tree tho

[tight zenith]

bleed nodes way down in dexville ?

shame, too far for blood mage :(

[dawn spire]

Correct

[limber lodge]

At the top end it's probably more than a 70% nerf but at league start it'll still be great I would wager

[tawdry orbit]

From 3-5 charges with all the charge regen you get is fine

[hidden siren]

a lot of the bleed nodes are where merc is

[dawn spire]

Idk, you're still going from 6 projectiles at level 1 to 4

I'd rather just level with chaos dot

Did I mention I like chaos dot?

[tight zenith]

you like chaos dot ?

[olive tide]

i played contagion/essence drain for 80% of the first patch on infernalist, felt so good when u have 4000% increased spell damage

[winged rain]

Each bolt shot becomes 2 bolts sequentially. This basically means larger mag size. I wouldnt recommend it

[ember parrot]

Ah, sad, hoped it would chew through my mag twice as fast.

[olive tide]

bleeding concoction was underwhelming before, not sure if the 200% magnitude is gonna be too crazy. it really felt like crap on bosses but maybe it will be good. i love bleed builds so im hoping it has more options

[tawdry orbit]

That’s fair, I’m hoping with aggravated bleed and haemocrystals I can make something fun out of it

[olive tide]

not too many sources of aggrevate outside the lame early game chest piece... you gotta go all the way down to merc to get like 20% aggrevate chance (10% of it being conditional) iirc

[winged rain]

The crystals seem pretty decent, but can you really call it a bleed build when all youre doing is making it a hit?

[hidden siren]

how much was monk nerfed

invoker

[tawdry orbit]

Bleed splosion is still bleed

[dawn spire]

It's aight

[olive tide]

not enough imo.. people will still use howa and smash shit

[tawdry orbit]

Didn’t they add an aggravate node near the huntress stuff

[olive tide]

ah ur right.. just need like 500% increased duration now lol

[limber lodge]

what's the best spell for bleed mage? >_> Bood mage new node: "Causes Bleeding you inflict on Cursed targets to be Aggravated."

[tawdry orbit]

Truuuuu, should be fine. It might not be the most optimized bleed build but who knows till we get to actually play it

[olive tide]

bonestorm?

[tawdry orbit]

I heard something about a herald of blood. Anyone know if that’s real?

[olive tide]

im leaning towards playing bleed amazon atm so i hope it is good... i played bleed bow witchhunter but snipe is just so clunky

[tight zenith]

i thought about that, but leech node is mandatory endgame, and you cant get 15% base crit with both leech and bleed nodes

sanguimancy has a chokehold on that ascendancy's buildcrafting it makes me sick

[olive tide]

not sure if any of this really matters... tornado bird is still gonna 1 shot us in ultimatum D:

[tawdry orbit]

Everyone’s gonna play Amazon to start, i might cave to it as well, but I played a lot of shattering concoction last league so I feel more confident with it as a league starter. Then again I might cave to muscle mommy bleeds

[limber lodge]

don't need the 15% base crit node; bonestorm has 15% base crit already. you can take the between the cracks point for free:

"Added a new Between the Cracks Ascendancy Passive Skill that causes Critical Hits to ignore Monster Armour. Requires Sanguimancy."

[tawdry orbit]

I don’t supposed pob is updated already?

[sharp plover]

What builds are looking "good"? this is my first ever poe league 🙂

[tight zenith]

bleed/ailment magnitude is too sparse on the tree, and they removed half of the jewel slots for some reason

[cedar aspen]

I’m going SoK first but I need to check how much effect the changes have done to my build I was going to use for it. Warbringer with avatar of fire using perfect strike, magma barrier and molten blast seems to have taken a hit. Will also be nice to play around with the new support gems with all of these new and existing builds, whatever they may be

[tawdry orbit]

Pull a guide off zizaran

[olive tide]

jewel slots being removed really does hurt bleed builds :/

[tender needle]

new gems will be released tonight, noone can say till then

[tawdry orbit]

Pull a guide off zizarin

[tight zenith]

also, what blasphemy curse would you use with the new notable ? not the armor reduction one, cuz armor is ignored with between the cracks, and your only using physical damage

[sharp plover]

cool! Thanks guys!

[tight zenith]

they didnt even specify which 12 they removed its so fucking stupid

[heady parrot]

Hey gang, do we have access to view the 0.2 skill tree anywhere yet?

[cedar aspen]

They probably seen how OP jewels were especially the more you had. Are the new skills and skill tree available to see/theorycraft on sites like max roll?

[tight zenith]

like if they removed the inner ones time-lost and aatd jewels might as well be removed

[limber lodge]

new supports for bleed coming as well tho. idk what all. aggravated bleeding for free is insane

[tight zenith]

thats true yea

[limber lodge]

and new 'bleeding related clusters' per the patch notes. we don' tknow what that means. likely near huntress but you can path over there

[tawdry orbit]

Wish the Info was released with enough time for the PoB bois to get the program updated in a reasonable time frame

[tight zenith]

jewels allow you to stack things that arent readily available on the skill tree

it enables cool builds

i have no idea why they would remove half of them

[olive tide]

i figurd they remove all the ones on the outer lines... i think theres 12 there all the way around

[limber lodge]

aight i'm locking in, yolo. bleed mage is gonna be legit. 🙏

[hidden siren]

when filterblade being updated

[tight zenith]

i guess to nerf adorned ?

lmao

[tight zenith]

ya i think so too, but theres still a chance inners get deleted

[limber lodge]

wait bonestorm causes impale... which specifically states "the next ATTACK hit" -- what? That sounds total ass

[tight zenith]

it is ! a spell thats power budget is cooked by attack synergy !

its sickening !

[limber lodge]

but it's like attack synergy that no one is ever going to use, I don't understand

[tight zenith]

its designed to work with bone blast (wand innate skill) i think

maybe with new blood mage notable it is good

cluegi

[celest blaze]

rnope. More than that.

There are 12 on the next ring in

[snow cypress]

hey just want to know, next day pc player can download the update throught torrent first right ?

[tight zenith]

no, the outer ring is 12, as is the inner ring

unless my counting skills have fallen out from under me

[distant glade]

Outer is 12

[unreal girder]

You should be able to summon an animate weapon then just weapon swap to a sceptre right?

[tulip fog]

is there any way to automate creating corpses?

[tawdry orbit]

There’s a pair of boots that does I think

[tulip fog]

corpsewade? no those explode corpses into gas clouds afaik

[distant glade]

Auto creating corpses sounds busted af

[limber lodge]

you can use sacrifice reservation and then use ur minions as corpses, but I don't think you can "create" corpses

[limber lodge]

obviously the sacrifice route is very, very expensive spirit-wise

[tulip fog]

warbringer can also ignore warcry cooldown

scaling the aoe and the damage would be interesting

[tawdry orbit]

Does poe2 not have desecrate?

[distant glade]

No

[timid aurora]

Guys best class to make a bleed build with that bleed herald? What skill also for bleeding

[tawdry orbit]

Oh

[distant glade]

And it shouldn’t

[timid aurora]

Will spear have special bleed skills

[eternal meadow]

There's reservation that makes reviving minions count as corpses

[distant glade]

Probably a skill that bleeds

[timid aurora]

Is there a list

[tawdry orbit]

Not yet

[timid aurora]

Ohhhh ok

[tawdry orbit]

At least not new ones

[timid aurora]

There is a bleed concoction I know of

[tawdry orbit]

Yeah from pathfinder ascendency

[timid aurora]

But conc looks super nerfes

Sadly

[distant glade]

You can look at existing bleed skills, but no info for new stuff

[eternal meadow]

From the reveal, it seems that spear's Rake and Rapid Assault cause bleeding

[tawdry orbit]

Idts, bleeding conc got buffed

[glass anchor]

ziggyd did a video about huntress skills

from ggg visit during interview

[timid aurora]

Oooh

Damn I really wanna try bleed Pathfinder then

And then ballista tactician

[celest blaze]

@distant glade yah, you're right. both inner and outer ring is 12

I got 14 somehow on my first attempt for outer ring lol

[tawdry orbit]

So there is a herald of blood?

[distant glade]

Counting is hard sometimes ngl

[timid aurora]

And I also wanna try Blacksmith but not sure what build

[glass anchor]

rake and rapid assault both always bleed on use

[celest blaze]

fuckin' apparently

but it means that the outer ring is likely the one being removed yes

which... makes sense really

[tulip fog]

id wager a guess they halved the amount of jewel sockets in outer and inner rings

[dawn spire]

I think I recall seeing at least one bleed skill for spears in a trailer, but I'm not certain

[distant glade]

That’s what I think , too many builds that just rushed to the outside and took all the jewel nodes in a circle

[small slate]

So...is there any way to scale damage in this game? I'm looking at Chaos Damage and Original Sin, but I don't really see a way to scale...it's like Archmage is the only thing that scales but that was nerfed to the ground

[tulip fog]

yup, there is one

i remember it distinctly

[celest blaze]

Possible, but it would mess with their symmetry

I think they're discouraging the outer ring travel build yes

[tawdry orbit]

Like so many

[timid aurora]

Which ascensendies have bleed nodes

[distant glade]

Attrition

[gentle root]

Are we gonna get a torrent for download this time around?

[dawn spire]

Impending doom scales off mana, corrupting cry scales off strength, shock scales everything, crit scales hits, archmage still scales off mana, basically everything can scale off of at least one curse, and loads more

[dawn spire]

I know blood mage has one

[timid aurora]

What build would you do with Katava. Maybe magma?

[outer gorge]

Does anyone with good minion knowledge know if the mercenary / tactitian 'watch how i do it' node will be any good or if its meant to be for party members and not minions? Allies gain added attack damage equal to 25% of your main hand weapons damage

[limber lodge]

it was nerfed by 62.5% (really it's more than this because we'll have access to less mana and eldritch battery is worse) but it was insane so it's still very good, I assure you.

[tulip fog]

here is a screenshot from the trailer on the bleed spear skill

[dawn spire]

Chaos dot is what I'm thinking. Or maybe a shield build since they apparently fixed a bug where shield skills literally didn't do damage

[unreal girder]

Artillery Ballista :>

[summer pasture]

Any melee should work, you could go full defense with Smith and get damage from passives and weapon

[timid aurora]

Wouldnt tactician be better for that

[unreal girder]

No

[dawn spire]

I can't think of a single build that can't go Kitava unless it needs another ascendancy node or a specific chest

[timid aurora]

Oh

[tawdry orbit]

Minions count as Allie’s as far as I’m aware

[unreal girder]

Tactician is giga bait for ballistas

[timid aurora]

Ahh

Why

[dawn spire]

@timid aurora

[timid aurora]

Nice

[summer pasture]

Can't wait to see it top 5 ascendies for HC tomorrow

[dawn spire]

Yeah, it's nuts for hc

[olive tide]

how are people considering ballista? have u used these before

[dawn spire]

Especially early

[unreal girder]

Cos the whole point of them is that they fight for you and that node turns them off unless youre attacking

Its dogshit

[timid aurora]

I'll do Katava if my bleed Pathfinder flops

[dawn spire]

Artillery ballista got nice buffs

[celest blaze]

what are the known ways to remove all energy shield or to otherwise set it to 0

[unreal girder]

Art bal got decent buffs

[median kraken]

They do. Allies means minions and other players, party members is only players

[distant glade]

Not wearing es gear lol

[limber lodge]

eldritch battery

[outer gorge]

is 25% of your main hand weapon damage added to allies /minion actually any good though?

[dawn spire]

Eldritch battery

[celest blaze]

specifically... vaguely toggle-ably

[tawdry orbit]

Depends on the build but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be good

[dawn spire]

Like almost everything in the game, it can be

[dawn spire]

Weapon swap to and from a focus/es shield

And have that be your only es source

[celest blaze]

more specifically, to toggle between having a large amount as possible and absolutely 0

[tawdry orbit]

It could be pretty hot if it xfers elemental damage from fire wands and shit to arsonists

[dawn spire]

As your maximum?

[celest blaze]

current is fine, but maximum may be easier

[dawn spire]

Temporal rift

[celest blaze]

a strong degen that I can turn off on demand may be easier

[dawn spire]

Drain it to zero, rift back to full

[timid aurora]

So my for PF in next patch I want to max out evasion as my defense?

[tawdry orbit]

Es and evasion

[dawn spire]

Depends. If you're taking that insane ele dr node, probably

[distant glade]

Es is still good to get

[unreal girder]

Evasion and cloak of flame

[timid aurora]

Oh

[olive tide]

am i missingh something? what were these big buffs lol

[unreal girder]

Quality got changed and gem scaling got buffed to be in line with shockwave

[celest blaze]

love the suggestion, is for a lich though so

Genius, full points awarded anyway

[tawdry orbit]

Evasion isn’t really good on its own, you can’t reach 100% dodge so you’re basically on a timer till something gets through and pops your squishy pf

[dawn spire]

All attack skills got buffed in terms of mana. On top of that, it now converts 100% of phys to fire. And it got "more in line with other totem damage" which means it got way better

[dawn spire]

Hmm...

[olive tide]

they still fire slow as hell and have small impact radius.. shockwave was good because it explodes in a large aoe around it

[celest blaze]

as far as I'm concerned this patch might as well be named "wellp, cloak of flame again I guess"

[timid aurora]

Lol

[unreal girder]

Pf gets ele reduction from evasion an cloak of flame fixes phys

[dawn spire]

I take it you're opposed to gear swapping, or I'd suggest just carrying a full set of es gear to equip

[unreal girder]

So you can just stack eva

[celest blaze]

swapping a piece might be fine

like if there was a unique somehwere that says "your ES is 0"

not idea, but possibly fine

[dawn spire]

Swapping out a ghostwrithe could work then

[unreal girder]

Half assing ES without grim feast will kinda suck

[tawdry orbit]

My shattering conc pf used frost armor and grim feast I don’t remember any builds using flame shield

[dawn spire]

Have you heard of our lord and savior, Chronomancer?

[unreal girder]

Gl without grim feast :p

[tawdry orbit]

How hard did grim feast get hit?

[dawn spire]

Literally deleted

[unreal girder]

Its removed

[dawn spire]

It's not in the game

[tawdry orbit]

Oh, valid it was so op

[unreal girder]

Theyll rework it

[tawdry orbit]

Yeah

It was giga busted

[dawn spire]

But now we have chronomancer so everything is fine

[tawdry orbit]

Lol

[unreal girder]

Whats good about chrono? IM a dex side andy

[dawn spire]

They actually didn't nerf ES at all outside of grim feast and conversion, if I'm not mistaken

[dawn spire]

Temporal rift. It's the last reliable way to restore your ES

[tawdry orbit]

Grim feast is enough of a nerf honestly

[unreal girder]

Ah

Yeah ES will have shit sustain now

[dawn spire]

Does stormweaver have es leech or mana leech from spells? I forget

[distant glade]

Meditate stonks up lol

Jk

[dawn spire]

Oh shit, meditate

Chrono was built on pillars of salt and sand all along

Meditate is the way

But fr, I have no idea what to do. They've destroyed just about every way to scale damage and tankiness at the same time

[distant glade]

Kitava has tank

[hidden siren]

just go tanky

[unreal girder]

Wanna see numbers on xbow skills, hope its not gonna be shockburst shitting on the rest

[dawn spire]

I mean, I'm hcssf so I'm def going tanky

But I can't decide between Kitava, chrono, and infernalist

Blood mage might also be kinda cool, ngl

[celest blaze]

hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Mask_of_the_Stitched_Demon

[limber lodge]

kitava for ssf seems goated, white body armor ftw

[distant glade]

White body armour and you get to corrupt them all sounds like a fun gamble

[dawn spire]

So what's your plan, exactly? I get you want change es on a whim, but why?

[dawn spire]

Oh, that's true... But chrono has temporal rift :/

[celest blaze]

Current Insane Plan:

Lich Everlasting Life + https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Mask_of_the_Stitched_Demon + Zealot's Oath + life build

[dawn spire]

Which is the best button to press in the entire game

[unreal girder]

Play kitava, wait till someone finds an op spectre and win

[limber lodge]

bruh that helmet... if you have 5k ES that turns to 250 base life regen/sec?

🤔

[dawn spire]

I'm gonna be the one trying to find those spectres

[unreal girder]

Dunno how to level warrior till then tho

[celest blaze]

I am just enjoying this helmet generally yeah

[dawn spire]

Bog witch spectre gonna drown Uber pinnacles in three seconds

[dawn spire]

So where does lich fit in?

[cedar tulip]

what are the chances you can use hammer of the gods on totems now

[dawn spire]

I recommend Shockwave totems or chaos dot. They've ruined orb of storms + lightning rod so I'm devastated

[dawn spire]

If your totems' stuns aren't attributed to you? Zero

[limber lodge]

You want to delete your ES... then convert your lfie regen to ES regen...?

doesn't that just... delete both your ES and your life regen?

[dawn spire]

It kinda does.

[cedar tulip]

Well if the current bug that exists in poe1 is ported over, the totem might not consume your glory but be able to use it's skill but will need to test

[celest blaze]

Zealot's oath with high Life regen would be perfect for lich. The issue is... if you're not at full life, your ES doesn't get the life regen. NOrmally not a problem without lich

so the idea is to use something to "fix" the situation by removing the ES so my life can top off again

[dawn spire]

Oooh, I see. Pulling some generals cry tec slam bullshit

[dawn spire]

Perfect for which nodes? I still don't know why you're picking lich lmao

The one where your life can't change while you have ES?

[cedar tulip]

yeah :3 been a bug with totems for ages, can still not use discharge on totems for this reason, was specifically disabled pending a rework that never came

[limber lodge]

this is cooked bro fr. you weren't joking when you used the word "insane"

[celest blaze]

Everlasting Life, right

I'm not sure that things will work the way I want, and in fact, it almost certainly won't

[limber lodge]

You do mean Eternal Life?

[dawn spire]

I mean, if you put the helmet on just to regen life, sure.

[celest blaze]

yeah, that one

[dawn spire]

But if you're considering swapping your helmet to top off your life, there are better things you could do with your time, like pulling out your own fingernails

[timid aurora]

Wait you cant use herald of blood with concoction due to unarmed. So PF is for gas arrow?

[limber lodge]

You won't lose any life if you have ES. The only time your life will go down is when you have no ES. That's how the node works. But then yeah if you take some damage to life because your ES is gone then your ES recharge kicks off, you could n olonger have full life

But dog don't worry about zealoth's oath lmao just forget about that, ES recharge is great

[timid aurora]

And what is concoction for

[limber lodge]

ES recharge is actually really really strong

[timid aurora]

Role play?

[celest blaze]

The way I hope everlasting life works [Narrator: it doesn't] is this scenario:

You have 2K ES and 2K life. You are hit for 100K damage.
Your 2K ES is removed and you are still at full life, panicking until ES recharge starts

This is the only real way this plan makes (any) sense.

How it will actually work

You have 2K ES and 2K life. You are hit for 100K damage.
You ded, and you have a worthless helmet sitting in your inventory

[limber lodge]

Nah it doesn't work that way. If it does end up working that way it will be patched immediately

[celest blaze]

clearly I don't disagree

[limber lodge]

You wouldn't need the helmet anyway

Nothing would get through your energy shield in the first place

[snow cypress]

is there any skill replace hexblast ?

[celest blaze]

the edge case would be where you took a non-lethal amount of damage that actually damaged your life when the ES was down, and you can't "fix" it in any other way

[limber lodge]

Yeah I suppose

[celest blaze]

in that edge case, in this scenario where the Eternal Life ascendancy actually worked this way [again, I realize it almost certainly does not], is where the helmet would be very useful

[tight zenith]

i thought top was 18 at first lolol

[cedar tulip]

If it worked like the first case, any amount of es would prevent all damage. Might be some funky math, but any regen would give you some es every tick. So as long as you don't get hit twice in the same tick or have a degen that prevents your ES from regening you are effectively immortal.

[celest blaze]

bless your heart for making me feel batter at least

[celest blaze]

yeah, which is why Zealot's oath would be insane... but would require a manual "toggle"

in certain cases where it got borked

the other way to get your ES set to 0 is Trial of Sekhemas/Chaos, but... not so useful lol

[timid aurora]

So there is no way to redeem concoction?

Seems really bad now

[celest blaze]

From what I can tell basically the best case scenario of Lich is like a 28% flat damage reduction (from hits only, I think?). And only if you don't take MoM (and it requires you getting the weird no-mana-regen node in front of it)

10% damage taken bypasses ES - Soulless Form Lich Ascendancy
10% damage taken bypasses ES - Nerfed Atziri's Disdain (helmet, precludes using Stitched Mask or Ghostwraithe)

• +3% damage taken bypasses ES - optimally corrputed Atziri's disdain, I think?
  5% damage taken bypasses ES - Revised Heavy Buffer

Total : Effectively 28% of all damage from hits is ignored

[hidden siren]

depends on what conc

pconc is pretty dead

[celest blaze]

physical poison lul

[timid aurora]

I thought maybe bleed, but u can't use the new herald with it

[hidden siren]

physical, no more quiver bonuses

[timid aurora]

So it's like uhhhh

Maybe for pathfinder I'll do gas arrow?

[distant glade]

Isn’t Pconc as phys just better ?

More nodes to scale with

Gas arrow has a limit of 6 clouds now

Not very good

[timid aurora]

Uhh so what do we build as PF

[distant glade]

🤷🏻‍♂️

Waiting for numbers

[timid aurora]

Wait so each patch there is less builds?

[tranquil star]

yes

[distant glade]

They’re fixing the broken stuff

[tranquil star]

always

[hidden siren]

there isnt less builds

[timid aurora]

But they broke it the other direction

[hidden siren]

they just slammed down the op ones

[timid aurora]

No one will use it

[tranquil star]

after 10 years of poe1 there are in fact negative builds

[timid aurora]

Concoction is not used next patch.

[tranquil star]

it's why we needed a sequel

[timid aurora]

And pathfinder is useless it seems

[tranquil star]

nobody could play anymore

[celest blaze]

and then there will be more builds again, it is the cycle of life

[distant glade]

Stop dooming

We know nothing rn

[timid aurora]

So I have or go spear girl

[tender needle]

Just gotta wait for new gems tonight

[distant glade]

Until we get actual numbers for skills nothing matters

[timid aurora]

Oh

[tender needle]

they prob gut a lot of current builds so people league start more with new stuff

[timid aurora]

I hope somehow blood herald works with bleed concoction

[tender needle]

100+ new uniques will also be insane for enabling different builds that werent possible before

[distant glade]

And 100+ support gems we don’t know

[tender needle]

yep

[distant glade]

So like , relax lol we’ll be fine

[tawdry orbit]

I’m sure bleedconc will be solid

[tender needle]

Hoping for some decent witch build support. Currently cant think of a single build that was decent before that will still be playable end game

but I assume they'll be releasing with some cool lich gems/items

[distant glade]

Just buff ed contagion I’ll be happy

[timid aurora]

Reddit is saying herald or blood cant be turned on while unarmed

[tranquil star]

If Ice feels better than it did last league, I might play an ice chronomancer

[tawdry orbit]

I haven’t been able to find a single solid thing about blood herald

[timid aurora]

I see crossbow buffs. But WH still seems useless just go deadeye

[tawdry orbit]

Nothing on the skill gem says that.

[timid aurora]

I think that's how other heralds work

[static torrent]

'Any Martial Weapon'. I'm not sure if Unarmed counts.

[unreal girder]

Read the patch notes

[deft osprey]

That specifically means you need a weapon

[timid aurora]

PF and WH seem like, uhh just go deadeye

Now

[deft osprey]

Do we have skill gems now?

[tawdry orbit]

Oh any martial weapon.

[static torrent]

I'd assume not, but I never checked.

[static torrent]

It's from the ZiggyD video.

[summer pasture]

Shields might count

[static torrent]

I don't believe so, let me check the keyword.

[tawdry orbit]

I mean conc skills count as attacks

[tulip fog]

is there any other way than "irongrasp" unique armor to get iron grip modifier?

[distant glade]

That is not what that is saying

[unreal girder]

Tbh, wh is gonna be very good if you dont want to be a glasscannon

[summer pasture]

The tree

[tawdry orbit]

True, but conc skills are kinda weird in general

[tulip fog]

where in the tree is it?

[eager hound]

ziggy taking till the end of the day to upload part 2

[distant glade]

I personally would assume you need a weapon for it. But we’ll see

[tulip fog]

ive tried looking but could not find it

[tawdry orbit]

It prolly doesn’t work

But that feels very weird

Why have bleeding conc at that point

[distant glade]

Do the other heralds say that ?

[static torrent]

Yes

[tawdry orbit]

But we had widowhail

[summer pasture]

Got Poe 1 and 2 trees mixed up my bad

[distant glade]

Someone test it then?

[tawdry orbit]

Yeah if someone has a pf to throw a flask with

[timid aurora]

I'll try a grenade crossbow build. What class, I'm guessing Deadeye stomps for that?

For tomorrow

[summer pasture]

Witchhunter

[timid aurora]

Why?

[unreal girder]

Deadeye should definitely win for grenades

[summer pasture]

You start closer to grenade clusters and witchhunter has better defenses

[unreal girder]

But wh is a lot tankier if thats your thing

+1 proj is hard to give up for grenades tho

[summer pasture]

Taction might work to, pin enemies with rapid fire bolts and use grenades to nuke

[dawn spire]

Nah, chrono. Chance to not use a cooldown is insane

[mighty wing]

tactician>witch hunter

[dawn spire]

Chronomancer. Chance to not use a cooldown is sooo good for nade spam

Especially with the nerfs to their CDs

[distant glade]

I hate conditional stuff like that

[unreal girder]

Chrono feels gimmicky

Plus its in Narnia

[dawn spire]

If it's strong it doesn't matter how gimmicky it is

[unreal girder]

It does if it isnt smooth 2 play

[dawn spire]

When you have 4 cooldown uses, you don't actually go dry very often on nades. Especially if you take some nearby cdrr nodes as well

Spamming out like 7 sets of cluster grenades is bonkers

Pathing down isn't too bad

Temporal rift = giga strong
Bypass cooldowns = giga strong
20% slower enemies = giga strong
Recoup might be bad depending on how much you get on the tree. Might be awkward to get with nades.

But then you can get time snap to reset CDs for the off chance you go dry.
Or time freeze for loads of time to set up like 20 nades

Grenade chrono is one of my top picks, personally

Not saying it's good, but I'm optimistic

I just think with how grenades are getting:
-more aoe
-lower mana costs
-more damage
-higher cooldowns

It makes too much sense to go with the ascendancy that can negate their new, massive, downside

[cursive girder]

are people looking more at Ritualist or Amazon?

[atomic halo]

amazon

[distant glade]

Amazon.com

[celest blaze]

hrm, so, "damage taken bypasses energy shield" will likely apply for DoTs too, based on how Cloak of Flame works:

40% of Physical Damage taken as Fire Damage: This damage taken as modifier applies to both physical damage hits and physical damage over time (e.g. Bleed) and Corrupted Blood.
So you can get at up to at least a 28% flat reduction to all incoming damage as a Lich, so long as you have at least some ES left after the non-bypassed portion is applied. After sorting through this for a bit, I think I understand how it works:

Scenario 1: A hit smaller than your current energy shield
You: Let's say you are a lich with Eternal Life and 20% damage bypasses EH for ease of mathing. You have 5K life, 2K ES, and 75% ele res.
Incoming damage: You get hit for 20K raw incoming fire damage.
Damage Calculation:

1. First, fire Resist is applied, resulting in a net 5K damage.
2. Because damage is applied to Energy shield first, the non-bypassed portion of the damage (4K) is immediately applied to the ES. leaving 1K ES
3. The bypass damage is then applied to life and you take the damage technically, but it doesn't actually change your life total, leaving you with full health.
   End Result: Alive, with both 1K life and 1K ES.

Scenario 2: A hit bigger than your current energy shield
You: Let's say you are a lich with Eternal Life and 20% damage bypasses EH for ease of mathing. You have 5K life, 2K ES, and 75% ele res.
Incoming damage: You get hit for 40K raw incoming fire damage.
Damage Calculation:

1. First, fire Resist is applied, resulting in a net 10K damage.
2. Because damage is applied to Energy shield first, the non-bypassed portion of the damage (8K) is immediately applied to the ES wiping it out
3. Because there is 3K damage left over, it is now applied to your life total, wiping that out also. You are dead.
4. The bypass damage would now be applied, but you're already dead, Jim.

Scenario 3: A Dot
You: Let's say you are a lich with Eternal Life and 20% damage bypasses EH for ease of mathing. You have 5K life, 2K ES, and 75% ele res.
Incoming damage: You are ignited for 1K fire damage/second
Damage Calculation:

1. First, fire Resist is applied, resulting in a net 250 dps.
2. Because damage is applied to Energy shield first, the non-bypassed portion of the damage (200dps) is starts damaging your ES
3. The bypass damage, 50 dps, is applied to your life and is lost.
4. Eventually, when your ES gives out, the full 250 DPS is applied to your life total until you are dead.

[steady flint]

Anyone know how these two interact, and if life costs gets increased by mods such as "increased mana cost if skills"?

[distant glade]

Holy text

[celest blaze]

yep

theory'craftin takes text

[celest blaze]

they don't interact, really, you're just swapping your two pools effectively. Unlike Blood Magic, Burden of Shadows lets you keep your mana pool.

You'll cast with your life and take damage (first) with your mana.

[dawn spire]

Since your mana costs are being converted to life costs, I don't believe anything that affects mana costs will apply

I actually used that staff for testing a couple days ago and my life costs with the staff were higher than my mana costs without it because I had reduced mana cost of skills on the tree

[onyx beacon]

If you have a brotherhood ring equipped, and another one of the same ring... Do you get 200% conversion, as in your 100% damage get's another 100%? Or does it ONLY count the 100% then stop

[dawn spire]

Conversion past 100% does nothing

[onyx beacon]

Damn, ok

[dawn spire]

If you're converting multiple things and it sums to higher than 100%, it normalizes down to 100%

[onyx beacon]

alright, np np

ty ❤️

[steady flint]

Ah damn, was hoping that wasnt the case.. Wording might imply otherwise with one being "cost" and the other being " dmg taken"

[celest blaze]

i'm curious if that's how it works in next patch though, the change to conversions might apply here

[celest blaze]

I'm not even sure what you're thinking happens here, taking damage and casting skills are entirely different processes

Due to the staff, one of those processes now uses life instead of mana, and due to MoM the other process now separately prioritizes mana before life

[steady flint]

Nvm, i misread what you wrote. So it should work

[dawn spire]

What change to conversions?

[celest blaze]

Setting a stat to a specific value (such as Chaos Inoculation setting your life to 1 or Blood Magic setting your mana to 0) now occurs before conversion is applied to that stat, rather than being ignored by conversion.
So, if mana cost is a "stat", it would now have the increase / reduction applied, and then the conversion happens now

[dawn spire]

What would work? I'm not sure what outcome you're hoping for

[celest blaze]

I mean, yeah, you can now spend life to cast spells, leaving your mana free to be a damage buffer in front of your life, which is neat I guess

Lifetap support gem also does similar thing https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Lifetap

[dawn spire]

If that were the case I doubt they would have cited blood magic or CI as examples. I don't think costs are stats in the same way

[celest blaze]

Pretty sure I understand it now in my wall of text here: #2┃build-planning message

TLDR; You can still get one-shot.

[celest blaze]

Yeah, I suspect you're correct, but I'm just not absolutely 100% sure.

[cedar aspen]

Are we getting a support gem notes today also?

[steady flint]

To stay low life with Infernalist, and also to take advantage of the buffed Grinning Immolation 50% more cdmg. Issue with this node is self dmg, so ES feels horrible, and going low life is not big enough HP pool, so MoM it is.

But idk, lifetap prob better or just pure MoM

[dawn spire]

Nope, they're leaving supports to discover in game. My theory is that they're still changing them as we speak

[celest blaze]

it would make sense if it did though, it's the same basic principle at work (and not having increases / decreases in mana cost apply to the converted life cost seems mega dumb)

[gentle wren]

anyone cooking up a lightning spear deadeye?

[celest blaze]

also, for some reason, the support geme mana multipliers do apply to it for sure, that much is obvious to me from playing a mana intensive 6Link in the previous league

[steady flint]

Also EB really screws MoM, so life cost would be better

[dawn spire]

Without gems, I doubt it

[dawn spire]

Oh that's a very good point actually

I also learned that the sacrifice support gem doesn't kill you, it stops at 1 life and doesn't stop you from casting

[celest blaze]

technically doesn't kill you heh

Wait, so it works with CI?

[dawn spire]

Hmm... Impending doom infernalist that pays for curses with life...

[steady flint]

Also 50% more cdmg × 30% more cdmg should equal to 1.5×1.30=1.95 aka 95% "more" cdmg is kind of insane in an of itself

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure. I didn't try with CI

[gentle wren]

I think thatll be my league starter, ice shot deadeye into spear if its viable

[dawn spire]

I'm guessing it won't work if you have exactly one life

[dawn spire]

How do you benefit from low life? Does poe2 have pain attunement?

I'm not at my pc

[steady flint]

Yeah, 30% more cdmg

[celest blaze]

is EDIT: sacrifice support gem even a PoE2 thing? i'm only seeing it in PoE1, with poe2 having Sacrifice as an active skill

I'm so confused

[limber lodge]

Alright guys. Help me cook this up. Cast on Minion Death Comet was a build in previous patch (it used SRS minion deaths), but the way that triggered no longer works because now COMD only works on Persistent Miniom Deaths.

This version is going to be MUCH weaker than that, but that build was bat-shit insane so that's fine.

The idea is to sacrifice our minions to giga-charge auto-casted comets.

Cast on Minion Death Power Charge Comet Lich

Comet has 13% base crit, with the buff to the Potential support which is 40% more crit, and with critical weakness from eye of winter, we will barely need any inc crit from tree to get a 100% crit chance comet.

• Sacrifice reservation to let us use our skeletons as corpses
• Profane ritual to sacrifice our skeletons and generate power charges
• Skeletal clerics to revive our skeletons, other cheap reservation skeletons that we will use as bio-fuel
• Soul offering to further juice our comets

Gameplay loop:
Sigil of power (for bosses/tough rares)
Cast soul offering (for bosses/tough rares)
Cast eye of winter to apply critical weakness
Cast profane ritual (prioritizing our own minions; we don't care about consuming corpses it doesn't do anything for us really)
Your minions die
Giga-juiced comets rain down

Problems I foresee having:

• Not having enough minions available to sacrifice for fun and profit

Am I totally cooked? Does this sound like it could work? FYI the PoB I put together has comets dealing 171k damage each on a 5-link (no Inspiration support; if I need Inspiration on a 4/5 link It'd be ~17% less damage, but if I need inspiration that means I'm getting tons of triggers which is obfviously good)

[dawn spire]

Support skill gem? What do you mean? Like spellslinger in poe1?

[celest blaze]

sorry. This time with the right words:

EDIT: sacrifice support gem even a PoE2 thing?

i'm only seeing it in PoE1, with poe2 having Sacrifice as an active skill

[dawn spire]

Yeah, sacrifice is a support in poe2

Sacrifice 10% of your max life to do a bunch of extra damage

[steady flint]

Only cowards legacy and maybe phoenix shield i would use though.
Also a couple randol passive nodes that is to far from witch starting area though.
New uniques and support gems might also have new synergies.

[opaque bluff]

I think its called extraction

[dawn spire]

Oooh, yeah

My bad

[opaque bluff]

https://poe2db.tw/Extraction

[dawn spire]

Extraction uses the sacrifice keyword

Tripped me up

[opaque bluff]

so were saying sacrifice down to 30% of life as lich, and then you can get perma low-life bonuses

[steady flint]

If you feel like it yeah

[cedar aspen]

Interesting. I’m guessing they can also see what needs to be nerfed/buffed from our support gem combinations

[dawn spire]

If you get down to 30% life and then get ES, yeah

[mint summit]

they did post nerfs/buffs for support gems, just not the new ones afaik

[opaque bluff]

its also numbers on everything that havent been released - are they releasing a torrent, or not?

[steady flint]

Im guessing we will know what they are before due to datamining and pre patch, but yeah official stance is to discover ingame

[mint summit]

rest in peace withering touch extraction eye of winter, you were a real one

i'll bury you next to hexblast in the garden

[cedar aspen]

I thought withering touch was a buff somewhat? It’s not? Probably because I can’t think of a big single hitting chaos skill that it could benefit from

[quartz spruce]

Any lich or chalupa skill potentially haha

[cedar aspen]

I still want to experiment with Chayula. Excited for lich

They basically made hexblast an ascendency node for lich now right?

[steady flint]

No, hexblast is dead

[cedar aspen]

That’s what I mean; Hexblasts mechanics are similar to the one ascendancy notable on the lich ascendency right?

[hollow galleon]

It's not dead you just have to be patient.
As a Lich you can cast multiple curses.
So you cast curse 1....wait a bit
Cast curse 2 .... wait a bit
After 50% duration runs out
Hexblast! YAYYYYY
All in a day's work

[steady flint]

[hollow galleon]

[steady flint]

Not really, hexblast is a skill that deals dmg. Lich node makes enemies explode when killed when affected by curses

But i get what you mean

[tardy lava]

Searched but couldn't find anything on this subject.
Would "Hits Ignores Armour" prevent Armour Break? Or can you still Break Armour if you're ignoring it? 🤣 These seem contradictory.

[mint summit]

I wouldn't expect hits ignores armour to stop you from breaking armour with your hits

you could e.g. still benefit from the new 20% increased phys damage from fully broken armour

[quartz spruce]

It does still break

[tardy lava]

Got it. Okay thanks.

[cedar aspen]

Well I’d “like” to assume that exploding enemies with lich node causes damage in a radius from when the monster explodes?

But you’re right

[nocturne cave]

guys i need help. I find the game a bit too difficult to my taste. Do you by any chance may suggest any class/build that I can play and have an easier life? thx in advance

[tardy lava]

What class/builds have you tried already?

[sturdy notch]

If you haven't I'd say you definitely want to find a build to follow. There's a fair amt of "beginner friendly" builds. If you don't have a clear direction and are adding points to your tree without a plan it's pretty easy to fail to keep up with enemy scaling.

[cedar aspen]

It’s difficult in the beginning personally speaking because some builds excel early game and then get harder to master, whilst others struggle and don’t excel until halfway through cruel difficulty.

Look into a build you like or think you’d like and start there for sure. Let these guys know what that is and they can then help craft a good starting point for your experience

[candid otter]

Well it looks like mercenary with the new unique can actually kill stuff https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/pz5c8001

450 thousand with the new unique.

[cedar aspen]

Imo that’s the best thing because I only started playing POE2 for the first time myself and new to ARPG’s. Tried out Warrior, loved it, made another to test builds I saw on YouTube. You’re at a really good place considering we’re about to start a brand new league with many changes to the game

[candid otter]

Max roll doesn't count that unfortunately

[dawn spire]

No one really knows at this point. It's a whole new game tomorrow

[hollow galleon]

summon builds are usually newbie friendly

[dawn spire]

Chaos dots are pretty easy as well. At least in terms of simplicity. And you're free to wander around and dodge while your dots are ticking

[candid otter]

Crossbow buff, might actually be decent in the patch

Even though RIP grenades

[dawn spire]

Grenades actually got buffed in every way except for cooldown

And chronomancer is gonna reign supreme

[limber lodge]

yo does someone have a 170+ spirit sceptre they can sell me for 1 ex, i'm tryna cook something. it doesn't need any other stats
IGN ClownMagician

[hollow galleon]

where do u see that, on pob?

[candid otter]

yep

[hollow galleon]

which unique is it?

[gray hull]

didn't galvanic eat a nerf too?

[candid otter]

The helmet which makes all enemies near you low life

Which actually makes extremely good interaction with lucky damage + belt with more damage range

[nocturne cave]

thx

[dawn spire]

I think I might league start Smith of Kitava for easy grinding, then roll a grenade chrono and see how strong it is. Though it might not be super hcssf friendly

[nocturne cave]

thx

[nocturne cave]

thx

[candid otter]

Minion gemling looks move powerful now lol

[nocturne cave]

thx

[candid otter]

+2 to minions + new unique shields which gives spirit for life

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/285cj00n Count another 140 spirit to that values

[steady flint]

That one is probably gonna be really rare, because ngl its the most broken helmet currently no doubt

[steady flint]

I wouldnt bank on getting it tbh

[candid otter]

Depends if it chanceable

• percent

[steady flint]

Ofc it is, but so is astra

[candid otter]

We need to look at drop rate later. But, it might be limited by perks being on mercenary side of the tree

Still might be extremely decent for the warrior

[steady flint]

While yes, with the current passive tree its insanely strong. So strong that id expect it to be Astra rare, or just below it

[candid otter]

(We had a ton of powerful items which were easy to get, so it still depens on the drop rate unfortunately)

Example: trampletoes were kinda cheap

[steady flint]

Trampletoe was strong by an unintended interraction tho. Them by themselves kinda suck

[candid otter]

If all goes wrong, g\emling minion should be kinda cheap(I hope)

[steady flint]

Gemling looks good tho yeah

For everything

[gilded tangle]

Whats looking better? Infernalist or Lich for minions?

[candid otter]

Lich - possibly much tankier, but damage will require manastacking... Which will be painful
Infernalist - Gool ol' reliable, but squishier now

[gilded tangle]

Hmm.. What to do. U cant ever "respec" right?

Im new

[candid otter]

ascension is not respecable, looks like

still

[gilded tangle]

I get talents u can but not ascnesion

ay

Ty for answer even tho it didnt make it easier 😄

[candid otter]

Just wait for a day or two, people will at least test some stuff

[meager tulip]

Should I be going gemling or tactician for minions/spectre build?

[gilded tangle]

What level do you ascend?

[candid otter]

(And also item prices should go normal again)

[gilded tangle]

I just got to 80 this time around once and i dont remember

[warped viper]

does anyone know if spell cascade and spell echo will summon more raging spirits per cast?

[candid otter]

It looks like gemling might be better at endgame(Survability and possibly more spirit), but I need to POB the tactician.

[warped viper]

or would u get 2 spirits per cast of DD, regardless if u supported it with those options?

[meager tulip]

Whats pob ._.

[candid otter]

PathOfBuilding, good app to create builds and check their stats

*wrong reply

[meager tulip]

Oh oh! Thank you

[candid otter]

Might take a week or two to catchup with the patch and league changes

[candid otter]

Pillar of the caged god 😄

[hollow galleon]

god needs a new cage

[maiden karma]

I could have sworn there was an aegis aurora node on the tree but now I can't find it or any mention of it ever existing anywhere

[chilly patio]

This is interesting, I only played the first week of EA and went back to PoE1. Can you elaborate how the leveling feels like playing as 100% minion?

[tulip fog]

this is a real OOF for minion builds

[tawdry orbit]

So i got home from work and tested it. Heralds dont active without a weapon equip. which means heralds dont work with conc skills.......

[chilly patio]

Will the smith be decent for minion builds? Defense-wise

[gray patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-maybe-isildur-gif-24515009

[quiet hornet]

zizaran mentioned he was thinking of starting smith spectres if thats worth anything to you

[tulip fog]

look at the line "REQUIRES: any martial weapon"

[summer pasture]

Yes, smith is, on paper atm, the tankiest ascendacy atm

[gray patrol]

Kinda depends on your definition of decent in all likelihood

[tulip fog]

its sad that they dont work with concoction skills

[cobalt pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylwHeXu1_og

[summer pasture]

Between being able to apply half your fire res to cold and lightning res and increases to max fire res apply to cold and lightning at full value. And with 2 points in the armor you can get +5 to max fire res and +75 to fire res

Means you'll be pretty tanky ele wise and if you go 4 points into armor you can get 15% increased max and have armo apply to chaos hits

[quiet hornet]

as far as i could tell from the patch notes, armour is still totally useless so the armour to chaos hits is just a bait node

i dont think they changed anything about the actual DR calculation for armour

[summer pasture]

Monsters are doing less damage so it will be a little more effective

But yeah armor still meh

[quiet hornet]

oh nice, missed that in the notes. that does help a little

[summer pasture]

Wasn't in notes, was talked about in the q and a

[tulip fog]

is there any monsters that have a heavy bleed that might be good for a bleed build companion?

[cobalt pollen]

felt like there was a bleed baddy in ogham mansion

I could be wrong

[halcyon pasture]

Im thinking of going Huntress with tryna make lightning spear chain for some type of wombo combo