2┃build-planning

[clear sluice]

poe 2 nomenclature started in poe 1 its just a local culture thing. no need to stress about it

[glad mason]

isn't withc minion-based build still bad in bossing? or did I just got brainwashed in reddit 😂

[solid flume]

U got brainwashed lol

[sonic peak]

idk, haven't checked minion stuff
don't see why it would be bad tho

[tiny urchin]

You can though, just give it some aoe-increasing support and drop your walls low with icicle such that you can pop it with one skill for clear. It’s not comet-level effective, but it works
Clear doesn’t need to and never should amount to hitting one button, and there’s plenty of aoe spells to use for clear

[glad mason]

their minions just get smashed in boss AOEs

[gusty cargo]

this is sad to read in a Poe game. I wish you were able to use any skill, not be so locked to your weapon

[stuck coyote]

Try standing behind that statement hundreds of maps in

[lapis cedar]

send aid to my build

[stuck coyote]

I'm sorry but it feels like plenty of people here don't get the point of ARPGs

[grave matrix]

I see cluster bombs got changed from 1% to 50%. Feels like 1% was just wrong to begin with. Anyone using grenades have any huge impact from that change?

[sonic peak]

that's how PoE2 is supposed to be played

maybe you don't like it, and that's fine

[stuck coyote]

They said in interviews that endgame mapping would not be too much slower than PoE1 though.

[lapis cedar]

1% what

[stuck coyote]

Where is that sentiment then.

[sonic peak]

indeed, and it isn't

[grave matrix]

grenade fuse duration

[sonic peak]

what I mean is that you're not supposed to clear maps with 1 button

1 skill

you're supposed to use interactions between skills to deal dmg

[tiny urchin]

Well I can definitely say the fun isn’t in copying the one blatantly-op cookie cutter build route and then getting upset when it gets the nerf it very obviously needed

[sonic peak]

that's their intent, at the very least

[rapid ferry]

Is it possible to have Firestorm break armor?

[sonic peak]

comet 'cast on' builds only interaction was dealing a single type of 'thing' (crit, freeze, etc), which could be aquired through a single skill, to cast a high damaging skill

[neat dew]

Can we check if a support gem works with a skill gem? Once cut you can see it but in the menu before cutting you can't

[blissful dagger]

can someone give me some help about something

[wary horizon]

yes you can

[sonic peak]

I think you would need to somehow convert the dmg to phys and add the armor break support? don't remember if there's another way

[tiny urchin]

The depth of comet builds was “how hard can I invest into this one skill unrelated to my build so I can utterly break it in an unintended way and force it to work”

[neat dew]

How?

[wary horizon]

instead of clicking on all skills, click on the skill you want to make the gem for, then there is a checkbox at the bottom taht says show recommended, uncheck that then it will show you all support gems that work witht hat specific skill

[rapid ferry]

I never thought about converting to phys. I'll check the passive tree! I'm trying to force a melee witch to work lol.

[tiny urchin]

Check modifiers at top of screen. For example, ones that can slot to aoe spells should say “aoe.” There’s also a list on the wiki for each support if that’s too confusing.

[muted blaze]

does anyone know if cast on shock is safe from the nerfs or did it get gutted too?

[neat dew]

Aah I see, thanks! I missed the checkbox, just clicked all gems every time

[sonic peak]

I think it had the same impact as CoF and CoI

[blissful dagger]

im infernal witch with demon form, i have the skill incinerate, but when i go into demonform and use it, it takes me right out?

[sonic peak]

...I think it doesn't?

[blissful dagger]

it alos doesnt work with unearth skill either

[sonic peak]

afaik you stay in demon form until you manually disable it

or you die xD

[blissful dagger]

nah it just cancels it

[sonic peak]

weird

[blissful dagger]

it says anything not a spell takes me out

but like those are spells...

[mint glacier]

Are witches good at mapping?

[abstract grove]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/6df3t0hj
Titan crushing blow w/58% chance for HOTG/Sunder to hit twice
Constant armour breaks off heavy stun with armour explosion & Ancestral totem w/armour break
4 jewel slots
giants blood & Blood magic keystones

[sonic peak]

'witches' is a very broad definition of builds xD

[vestal storm]

alright chat, so im currently playing invoker COC comet build, which is now just gutted due to the recent targeted nerfs balance changes, is there any chance CoC ever becomes playable again for clear, or should i just delete my invoker

[tropic flower]

hi can anyone tell me how exactly pitiless killer on witch hunter work does it give you culling strike on every single hit or there is some kind of roll if it proc?

[mint glacier]

Oh sorry it’s just I’m not too sure yet what I plan on using as a class, torn between mercs and witches rn, so not sure yet on ascendancies

[sonic peak]

try using skills other than comet, they'll proc faster

[clear sluice]

Think about what skills you like and work backwards

[mint glacier]

Oh never though of trying that

[sonic peak]

although you're probably better off respecing the energy nodes and doing a dual-specialization on ignite/freeze

[main cedar]

Do +mana leech jewels just work or do I need another skill first?

[sonic peak]

seems like the easier way to fix CoF builds from what I've seen

[wraith gorge]

if you use this node, will your cold pen go into the negatives when an enemy is frozen?

[sonic peak]

no

there are ways to get it into the negatives in 1

I think some passives are worded as 'decreases resistances' or smt like that

exposures might work

[arctic pond]

hello people. is spending 9 levels on a highway to reach a particular cluster viable?

[wraith gorge]

so this node would work?

[wary horizon]

eh, i chose the wrong vial of venom anyway so i guss this paatch just gives me a reason to delete my character and restart

[clear sluice]

Yes

[sonic peak]

depends, what cluster?

and you're not getting anything in-between?

[clear sluice]

Vials pretty weak stuff 🙂

[severe drum]

depends, if it is just for a single nodable, probably not

[still rock]

no, heavy frost effectively pretends they have 0% resistance no matter what

[sonic peak]

oh wait, there's no way to reset vials? I though they would add something like the bandits respec quest from PoE1

[arctic pond]

It's for the 'fortifying blood' cluster. It's on a bloodmage with spell leech.

[keen sparrow]

is does this affect reload speed for crossbows too?

[wraith gorge]

okay ty

[sonic peak]

can't find it, can you send a screenshot?

https://poe2db.tw/us/passive-skill-tree/

[clear sluice]

Is reload a skill?

[keen sparrow]

u press the skill to reload

so i guess

[pastel trench]

Comet on cost on freeze still works fine if you take both sets of energy passives, refund passive+support gem for 65% refund chance. Mix in some self cast comets

[wary horizon]

sadly you cant. when you do it again in chaos you can select a second perm buff form a completely different set of choices, but you cant reset either choice. maybe they will add a way to eventually

[sonic peak]

oh, this one?

it's not worth it lol

it's way more than 9 nodes

[arctic pond]

Oh can i not grab one of the starting ones?

If so i'm an idiot sorry

[sonic peak]

like, even if you're getting stuff in-between, you're better off focusing on other stuff near the witch/monk/templar

np xD

[solid flume]

just use annoint if its cheap

[severe drum]

yeah it is 16+ points to reach that, never worth, though you could do the nodable talisman thing in endgame

[proper pagoda]

Anyone know if there's a way to edit mobalytics builds on mobile? Or maybe there's a better build planner site to use?

[vale heart]

why is magnified effect not working on bonestorm when it should? Like I can socket it but the bonestorm doesnt actually get 40% bigger

[slow mantle]

How do I list my own item I wanna trade with for exalted orbs?

[lyric palm]

damn people really took all the character names fast in this game

[arctic pond]

I was thinking I could grab one of the ranger starting nodes. silly me.

[sonic peak]

just to explain, witch starts at the blue node, merc starts at the green one
if you're a bloodmage, you need to use a witch

[pastel trench]

I have 4 gem passives but no gems. Do gems drop somewhere special or is it just bad RNG

Jewels not gems jeeze

[sonic peak]

you need to buy a premium stash tab and put the item there

[fierce solstice]

try the trial of sekhemas, usually any royal cache awards some

[clear sluice]

poe 2 skill tree long travels make me cry

[arctic pond]

yeah - I just thought with the whole multiclass thing I'd be able to spec into ranger and then path down

[pastel trench]

Thanks I’ll give that a try!

[arctic pond]

thank you for the help everyone <3

[digital axle]

any pro poe player knows why blasphemy doesnt work with decaying hex?

[clear sluice]

Is there anything else than boneshatter that can stun bosses when they are primed?

I see some inconsistent heavy stuns from slams but I'm unsure about which mechanic hits the prime

[wraith fox]

My build is just so stuck right now. i cant get a good weapon upgrade and my dmg hurts massively from it

[ashen plume]

anyone tried the unarmed passives in the tree?

[sonic peak]

even though it can get curses slotted into it, blasphemy itself is not considered a curse

[sonic peak]

I'm currently lvling a poison pathfinder, I might try concoctions out and give unarmed a try

[slow mantle]

Is it the one with colours thing?

[digital axle]

thx for explaining. thought it should apply decay while passively applying curse

[still rock]

I think the reason is moreso because Decaying Hex requires initial application of the curse and Blasphemy makes it always applied.

Because blasphemy can support curse supports like heightened curse

[digital axle]

any other way to passively apply curses with decaying hex? 😄

[ashen plume]

i have enough points to get there, but im nervous if it doesnt do well i have to respec, unarmed seems to hurt from not actually having weapon stats, ive gotten throuhg having a shield in the off hand

[still rock]

Afaik no

[sonic peak]

yeah, the balance reasoning might be this, but the technical reason is because it doesn't have a curse tag
even if it didn't work at all (a lot of supports don't do anything with the supported skills), if blasphemy had a curse tag you would be able to slot it

[regal widget]

it looks like impending doom will work if yo ur using hex pblast to remove it for a little before it reaplies though

[still rock]

You can slot it it just doesnt do anything

your reason is not why

[gray ferry]

How does Mind Over Matter interact with Infernal Flame? 🤔 Would taking damage just raise the flame meter like when you spend mana?

[sonic peak]

oh wait, you can slot it?

weird

[still rock]

yes

[digital axle]

i mean some supports show that isnt working, grayed out when inserted so i thought it should work

[still rock]

And the curse in blasphemy supports other curse supports

but Decaying Hex only works on application so since we are bypassing application and it's always on, the debuff never goes off

[digital axle]

no wonders its EA, still needs to fix a lot of bugs 😄

[wary horizon]

is there a class that converts incoming damage to chaos?

or a perk/mod?

[still rock]

It's likely not a bug

[regal widget]

so will impending doom work then with blasphemy curse with say hex blast for a short time remove?

[willow swan]

which build is in the upper class (not meta), but good enough?

[sonic peak]

you could technically use the 'Cast on' meta gems, not sure if there's any decent for chaos builds tho

[fair notch]

yes, infernalist converts 20% phys to chaos

[ashen plume]

hexblast does work with blasphemy

[regal widget]

i know that much wondering about the impendihng doom suport though

[digital axle]

no, im trying to reroll from that... tthinking of new build 😄

[still rock]

No because blasphemy with hexblast doesn't get removed afaik but it does count for the Hexblast trigger

[ashen plume]

just only applies once curse despite being able to stack 3

[wary horizon]

so combine that with the perk that gives immunity to chaos, thats just a straight up 20% damage decrease to the most common damage type iin the game, that sounds nice

[tidal copper]

What aura can I use for bleed???

[regal widget]

i see. thought it removed it for a moment then reaplied good to know

[still rock]

but test it and lmk cause I'd be curious.

my inclination is that it wouldnt work

[fair notch]

yes

[regal widget]

i will test it.

it does share support tags with both the curse and blasphemy so it might

[mint glacier]

are infernalists or blood mages better for ascendancy?

[sonic peak]

there's probably uniques as well (haven't checked the full list)

[gray ferry]

Infernalist converts incoming phys to chaos

[still rock]

It just depends if the game counts as Hexblast triggering off of the curse through blasphemy as being "removed" or not which afaik it doesn't

[gray ferry]

20% or so

[regal widget]

but only 20%

[gray ferry]

yeah

[regal widget]

that would still be 20% you don't take with CI though

[still rock]

For most purposes of Curse application or removal, Blasphemy effectively bypasses because its "always on"

[regal widget]

now the trick is to see if i can tell if impending doom trigers or not lol

[clear sluice]

My slammer is in coop with a frosty stormweaver. Is there anything cool we can do to carry each others build designs?

[still rock]

Yeah lmk

[sonic peak]

huh, I'm guessing this doesn't work with CI right?

[wary horizon]

i do see on the trade site that there is a mod "x% of elemental damage converted to chaos damage", idk if thats elemental damage taken or elemental damage dealt though

[sonic peak]

technically it doesn't grant you chaos res...

[still rock]

its good for CI

because youre immune no matter what your res is

[sonic peak]

wait, it does?

[regal widget]

i think it just turns it to an immune tag not a rest one

[sonic peak]

crazy

doesn't that mean you only take phys dmg?

[clear sluice]

Ele dmg also

[regal widget]

does seem that way

[still rock]

No it's damage you deal, not take

[sonic peak]

that unique converts ele dmg to chaos

[olive sapphire]

is there a rune that adds spirit?

[sonic peak]

ahhhhhh

[clear sluice]

Original sin converts outgoing damage not incoming

[sonic peak]

I'm fucking blind 👨‍🦯

[regal widget]

ah i missred that as well lol

[gray ferry]

yeah it'd be a little silly if you could be immune to all chaos and ele damage hahaha

[orchid torrent]

does the +40% to energy gem increase max energy or energy generation? does it at least partially reduce the nerfs

[clear sluice]

So that ring changed into needing CI

Funny

[gray ferry]

If you're talking about Impetus, it increases energy generation

[regal widget]

so the demon from for infernalist the dmg you self take does not trigger recoup effects corret?

[clear sluice]

I don't know much about ele dmg conversion in poe 2 but can probably mitigate a lot

[still rock]

You should have to invest into energy generation for those builds, that was more of a correction rather than a nerf imo. The whole point of the system is that you should need to invest into it to get good returns

It was broken on launch

[orchid torrent]

nah, cast on freeze was maybe too strong, but e.g. cast on shock was already really weak, and now is even more garbage

[still rock]

Ok

[orchid torrent]

they just made a lazy overall nerf without looking at any numbers

[still rock]

I disagree

[vapid moat]

On which lvl player can find op builds?

[still rock]

Its actually very smart correction and a good way to balance trigger gems

[hoary leaf]

Hey, did u test it?

[sonic peak]

what were cast on shock numbers before the nerf?

[sharp dagger]

Well, it's not where it needs to be after the changes, regardless of their overall energy levels at the time 😄

[wraith gorge]

what are some good support gems to have on freezing mark?

[orchid torrent]

how is it a smart correction when it targets bad 'cast on X' as much as the one that was really strong?

[graceful stag]

How much health does the average person have in end game?

[gray ferry]

it was 10 energy per shock or something

[orchid torrent]

comet freeze one was the strong one, not every single one

[still rock]

Because you should have to invest in energy generation to get good returns like I said above

[orchid torrent]

some of the rest were like okayish only but are equally nerfed as the strong one

[regal widget]

not relloy since the energy needed is based on teh cast time of the spell

[orchid torrent]

I mean in general it seems like they've barely looked at numbers in the game tbf so it's not a surprise. Not sure if there even is a balance team at this point

[wary horizon]

That's a level 20 ring, so would that mean if i made a character, got it to level 20 then spent all my gold gambling i would hav e a higher chance of getting that ring than if i gambled on m,y level 60?

[regal widget]

if i am not wrong the one your talking about for lighting has a like cast time to comet

[gray ferry]

some are suggesting trigger cold snap instead since it has much lower energy requirement

[orchid torrent]

that's already the one I used

[wary horizon]

PADORU DETECTED

[gray ferry]

I see

[orchid torrent]

but it's equally nerfed, all cast on X were nerfed the same amount which is so silly when only 1 combo (freeze + comet) was trully strong.

[still rock]

#2┃build-planning message

[sonic peak]

I think the rotating cold spell might also be decent

[orchid torrent]

no way you can think cast on ginite or shock was equally strong

[sonic peak]

don't know the name

[brave trench]

how exactly does curse and pen work together? is the penetration rendered null because of the curse, assuming the curse drops it into 0 or negative res?

[still rock]

Correct

[gray ferry]

I think Cast on Ignite they took issue with due to easy unconditional ignites like Flame Wall

[orchid torrent]

you want me to play a different class? literally the only spirit gem rank 2 spells my class can use are cast on X

[still rock]

So pen is useful when resistance is high

[gray ferry]

Makes me wonder if it's more of a design issue with Flame Wall though, was it not for the same reason they needed to nerf gas arrow/grenade

[still rock]

Invest into energy generation

[orchid torrent]

oh dont play 'cast on X' on your class which only has 'cast on' in its tier

how is that not bad design

[still rock]

Youre just saying words that dont mean much

[brave trench]

and if the curse drops the enemy to, say, 12% lightning res, then the pen would drop it to 0 assuming i have enough?

[still rock]

correct

[orchid torrent]

I feel like if you dont understand the words you shouldnt comment on balance tbf

it's very basic concepts

[fair notch]

Is it just me or is archmage damage super funky, can't be converted etc

[sonic peak]

only reason you can't use the other ones is because of stats

[quaint python]

Top 1000 Data, Dec 12 2024

Infernalist : 263
Stormweaver : 260
Deadeye     : 234
Invoker     : 83
Titan       : 63
Witchhunter : 39
Warbringer  : 18
Blood Mage  : 14
Pathfinder  : 13
Gemling     : 9
Chrono      : 8
Acolyte     : 7

[sonic peak]

can always respec/get it from gear and get other stuff

[regal widget]

some are weapon locked i think rockisch

[orchid torrent]

funny people think these are the numbers of a remotely balanced game

some having 7 while others have 260 lol

[regal widget]

so if yout not using that weapon type you can't use that spirit skill

[still rock]

Gain as extra happens after the conversion

[sonic peak]

do you know of any spirit gem that is weapon locked?

[fair notch]

gotcha, that checks out then

[still rock]

go mald somewhere else man

[regal widget]

let me look at them i think some say marsital at the very least

[orchid torrent]

any negative opinion here is malding, I swear poe players are the one game player that can take 0 negative things said about the game

[sonic peak]

true, this one

most aren't tho

[daring berry]

yes - doinbg this build, PM for details

[sonic peak]

shield as well

[still rock]

I wonder if CDR affects that second line or not

would be interesting to see

[quaint python]

it's hard to say for sure. ladder players assumed ranger would be op as per recent poe1 seasons, and that sorc's ascendancy nodes would be effective

3 days ago deadeye was at 360 or so. itll be interesting to see how it stabalizes

[regal widget]

hearld of ash is also marsital weapons

[still rock]

Probably not since they seem to want to reel in effects which spam things

[sonic peak]

acolyte, chrono and gemling are not necessarily bad, but we didn't know if they were viable or not
acolyte because of the spirit thing
chrono because it would need you to build around a big CD skill, that would mainly be useful for bossing only
gemling because we didn't know how gem scaling worked

[daring berry]

Trying to confirm: Corrupting Cry, Corrupting Blood does physical damage over time. Physical damage is mitigated by Armor. I've heard conflicting data about armor affecting the corrupting blood damage. Since it is a damage over time and not a hit, but is also physical. Is there a clear answer in a GGG post or documentation?

[sonic peak]

so most ppl choose safer picks for league starter

[still rock]

Armor only mitigates hits

[sonic peak]

the rest is mainly because from their previews, the spellcasters seemed to have much more interesting mechanics I think

[daring berry]

TBH i kind of wish it applied so I could break to below 0 and scale dmg

[sonic peak]

also everyone doing trigger comet

[regal widget]

so is there a decent way to get near infinite up time on demon form for infernalist ? not sure all the uniques that are out there and not sure what all nodes in the passive tree other then straight hp regen work for it's upkeep

[fair notch]

I was doing frost manastacker and tampered with Cast on freeze, seems I got caught in the same bucket as some very popular builds

[orchid torrent]

So which message did you time me out for? You can't be at all negative about balance or anything? I genuinely dont get what crossed the line?

[daring berry]

Corrupting Cry follow up question: It stacks 10 times. Is each stack's DOT dmg calculated individually, or do all stacks have the DOT dmg calculation of the first or last applied?

[sonic peak]

I'm guessing you want infinite time wihout the max 10 stacks, right?

[rugged isle]

Has anybody seen anything good for armor piercing rounds yet? Seems like an absolutely useless skill

[regal widget]

with the 10

[orchid torrent]

like game is great vibes wise but balance is mediocre and this nerf today isnt great. You really ban here for even that much? I can see why the game has such an echo chamber you cant say anything bad community if even that one gets you muted without warning

[sonic peak]

uh, the yeah? doesn't seem that hard

[regal widget]

else it would just land slide till it wrecked you

[still rock]

Yeah phys dots have an interesting flavor because you dont get the exposure like other damage types do. You do get access to bruality though which is a powerful multiplier

[regal widget]

i have okish up time just would like to not have health drain off still as much as it does

[sonic peak]

it's not about saying bad stuff, it's about being dumb af/trolling

[orchid torrent]

what message is trolling? I even was providing screenshots of my skills to illustrate my points. Saying anything remotely negative is trolling?

[daring berry]

brutality and swift affliction so far yeah. Tryign to determine how the full stack of 10 DOT dmg is calculated per stack

[fair notch]

Anyone got some creative stuff going on involving mana/ES stack and cold damage`?

[deft mica]

your cast on critical comet is working

[daring berry]

might be some abuse there

[orchid torrent]

like my questions started with a genunine question. how is this trolling? There's some negativity towards the patch which I dont like, but it's not like swearing, it's genuine points Im making and a question i had

[regal widget]

Pretty sure it would take an admin or mod to time you out to start with so keep that in mind

[sharp dagger]

Hmmm, ok. Let's see here:
I went from needing 158 Energy for a Comet on CoF and generating 162 on each freeze, to needing 300 energy and generating 18.

With a considerable investment from the passive tree I can bump that number to generating ~28, and getting a 25% chance for the cast to refund 50% of energy spent.

That's... not very good? 1/10~11.

Even on a skill like Cold Snap (which consumes the condition), I still need to freeze 3 mobs to get one off. And that's on a 0.5s cast time........

What kind of an investment should I be making to go from 1 comet per freeze to not being able to blast out an Eye of the Winter in a frozen pack?

On a class with a fundamental reliance on Co(X) gems?

They overcorrected, simple as.

[orchid torrent]

yeh but they didnt warn me and no mod is even commenting, just straight timeout because what? i asked questions about skills while not liking the balance? provided a screenshots of my skills while explaining? what exactly

[sonic peak]

being unable to understand how a build that is completely trivializes content without having to invest into it, and without requiring user skill, was rightfully nerfed
while repeatedly making the same comments again and again
again, maybe it's not trolling and just being dumb

[still rock]

Not sure how it calculates tbh, my assumption is on application it takes your 25% strength value as it is for that debuff's duration, but it may be possible that the currently rolling debuffs actively check your strength value although I doubt it

[sacred sail]

maybe they don't want you to spam cast on X like a poe 1 build

[orchid torrent]

dude my whole argument was that it's bad they nerfed all 'cast on X' the same amount. There was one build that was way too strong, random cast on ignite builds were not as strong as cast on freeze

you are just pattern matching what Im saying because people here can apparently not look at things remotely objectively it's all just 'poe good' or not

[regal widget]

and they gave you a valid reson to why they all got hit

[orchid torrent]

how is the guy telling people they are dumb not getting timed out but I am

[regal widget]

also you have to take into account the value the mob your hitting gives as well into account not

[orchid torrent]

like people legit insult but it's fine as long as they dont have complaints about the game?

[regal widget]

now*

[still rock]

This is a build planning channel not a baby needs a new diaper channel

buzz off

[daring berry]

It's not my STR value changing in this case. The node "Deadfening Cries" gives a stacking dmg buff that applies to the Dot. So with 0 stacks, it's your normal dmg, when crying the second time to add the second time, you have an 8% dmg buff.
so now with 2 stacks, are both doing base * 1.08, did i only add a second base stack, or is one base, and the second base * 1.08

[orchid torrent]

how exactly any of this not about builds?

[neat laurel]

this should not work on poisonburst arrow right

[orchid torrent]

The whole discussion I started with a buiild question? which part isnt about builds?

[gray ferry]

could try running a weapon swap and alternate skill for packs and continue triggers on bosses where the energy generation is still good

[sacred sail]

poison burst arrow is a ailment ? if it's not it doesn't

[sharp dagger]

So, help me plan: #2┃build-planning message

You suggested I invest into what was too broken. I agree, it needed to be corrected. So, what kind of an investment should I be doing?

[orchid torrent]

people will be toxic and insult - all fine. Say a patch is not fully well thought out - ban.. Pure echo chamber stuff

[neat laurel]

poison burst applies poison tho which is an ailment

[shadow tinsel]

Perhaps I’m just a dumb fuck when it comes to PoE but, I was running frostbolt CoF Comet before the “nerf” however, post”nerf” it doesn’t feel really that bad honestly, and the improvement against single targets like bosses is actually insane compared to before the “nerf”. Is the build really cooked or are people just fucking dramatic/dumb?

[still rock]

Ah I see what you mean. My assumption is that each application is successively higher and that value is saved for that application of the debuff. That's a hard one to test though

[summer needle]

what does "magnitude of poison you inflict" mean?

[daring berry]

gonna need a tanky boss and some screen cap of the dmg ticks to inspect

[last viper]

cof got nerfed so I used the rest of my gold to swap to coc then go to bed

[sacred sail]

then it should work ! test it out in game if you really doubt

[shadow tinsel]

CoC?

[last viper]

then I wake up and coc is nerfed

[shadow tinsel]

Cast on Crit?

[last viper]

yea

[gray ferry]

yeah CoC is cast on crit

[shadow tinsel]

Huh

[rapid seal]

can someone explain what +1 to limit mean? It is suggested to pick this up for totem build

[shadow tinsel]

We have CoC builds in pie 2

I didn’t know that

[agile dune]

poison is an ailment, there's a skill or two around the specifically only works for elemental ailments though, in case you run into that :3
(which poison explicitly isn't)

[last viper]

idek what to play anymore

[regal widget]

the number of them you can have out mihail

[shadow tinsel]

So what do you guys think? Should I continue forward with CoF comet or

[elder turret]

I think there is a question of level as well… people complain, like me at level 45-46 because I am unable the acquire gear and stats to make it work properly

[quaint python]

I believe you’ll find something

[last viper]

without being able to respec?

[sacred sail]

oh I missread, sorry then I'm a bit annoyed with ppl complaining everywhere after every nerf, didn't take the time to read well enough

[last viper]

I used all my gold on the last respec

[elder turret]

I literally cannot kill comfortably mobs 10 level under… It takes roughly 1-2min per pack

[quaint python]

Try to come up with a transition plan if possible. Farm up some gold

[shadow tinsel]

I’ve always praised and loved GGG but I’m never a fanboy or game dev glazer, the choices GGG has been making are kind of reminding me of exactly how Blizzard handled Diablo 4 during its launch lol

[still rock]

Magnitude for poison is a value that scales the physical or chaos damage of hits to calculate the damage for that application of poison

[rough folio]

is lighting arrow better than Poison Arrow

[regal widget]

farm easy content to get gold even if it's early acts as long as you can do that you can get the gold it might just take time. or if it would take to long new character

[agile dune]

nah i get it, post-nerf chat seems to be a thing 😄

[sacred sail]

more non ailment damage over time, shouldn't work I guess

[quaint python]

Or just uninstall

[last viper]

I really got to act 3 cruel then might have to restart

[gray ferry]

tbf I expect radical changes through EA but it would be nice if respecs were a little easier

[flat kernel]

This is pretty old by now, been scaling global phys and warcry dmg with jewels, if dmg becomes an issue I may consider the minion dmg unique mace and taking those nodes, bonus points on them being nearer to jewel sockets for time-lost jewels.

[last viper]

I wouldn't uninstall, would just stop playing for like a week and roll a new build

[regal widget]

act 3 normal is fine for gold farming a bit

[quaint python]

Do that then

[shadow tinsel]

I’m about your level aswell, however I’ve just been spending my currency to buy gear, I’ve found that to be more effective for me personally because I don’t have hood RNG or good understanding of craft cuz I’m stupid

[sacred sail]

I really missread it and gave him a wrong answer xD it"s corrected now

[daring berry]

I like that idea, thanks!

[spice hawk]

Switched from comet snap freeze sorc to ranger and im liking it a lot!

[short palm]

where are the skins received?

[shadow tinsel]

What build?

[sacred sail]

ranger seem solid and pretty fun

[quaint python]

Bow is quite fun

[summer needle]

okay so if im doing poison/chaos(still debating the chaos) would i be going full hit/phys damage or magnitude or both?:"( im srry im new at making builds

[rapid seal]

https://pathofexile2.wiki.fextralife.com/Idol+of+Uldurn+Crimson+Amulet
Can someone explain what this does?
Skills have +1 to [Limit] It is recommended for totem build

[spice hawk]

Currently running Fubgun deadeye! 🙂 it melts!

[rough folio]

which is better Poison Arrow or Lighting Arrow

[regal widget]

it makes it so y ou can have more totems out at once

[spice hawk]

Lightning

[strong apex]

is there any other way to play ice build sorc without cof ?

[echo roost]

anyone who can give me spirit uncut gem lv14 please ?

[rough folio]

thanx

[sacred sail]

I think that's because some skills have a limit to how many of X you can get, like earthshatter you can only get 6 spikes and totems iis the same I guess

[trim nexus]

what does increased magnitude of shock mean

[short palm]

anyone knows about this?

[quaint python]

Only downside is the skill nerf but it still performs very very well

[sacred sail]

which skins ?

[solemn ledge]

just spam frost wall with spell cascade and frost bomb, plus ice nova with astral projection

[wary horizon]

imagine runnign both chaos inaculation to put health to 1, and then eldritch battery to remove all energy shield as well

[rapid seal]

but what do u mean? Like get an extra totem? Or an extra attack from the totem?

[sacred sail]

extra totems

[short palm]

the ones of 55 dolarsd

[still rock]

It depends on how youre applying the poison but in general you want to kind of find a balance of scaling the magnitude and also scaling the hit so that your poison value increases the most

[regal widget]

as i said an extra totem

[sacred sail]

if you bought Mtx you should receive instantly

[short palm]

ogham armour

[sacred sail]

I bought it I got it 🤔

[short palm]

in inventory?

[regal widget]

hit k

on keyboard

you select the stuff there

[agile dune]

iirc shock increased damage received by 20%, this might increase it to 24%(?)

[sacred sail]

top left in cosmetics

[regal widget]

ify out on controller i have no clue

if your on *

[summer needle]

hmm okay okay i think i can do tht,ty all!

[elder turret]

Sure if you have the means thats great… I was summon/chaos until yesterday.. decided to respect into CoF a few hours before patch… now I’m worst off than my previous build with 4k gold… I can’t kill mobs my level without dying every 5min, not even close to being able to kill Viper… they fucked up… im sorry lol

[brazen pine]

Can anyone tell me why fire dmg isn't effecting magma barrier?

[true nebula]

Blood mage was already shit but the nerf gutted it even more. Should I just reroll or is there any viable build that is best on blood mage?

[trim nexus]

i see

[still rock]

I thought they buffed leech?

[sacred sail]

are you sure it's not affecting it ? just because it doesn't appear doesn't mean it doesn't increase it, all my skills don't appear

[wary horizon]

What's a better choice? Witch with more damage because of icnreased mana from EB, or witch with lower damage but immune to all damage except physical because of chaos innoculation+unique ring?

[true nebula]

Well "buffed" still can't leech back the progenesis passive.

[sacred sail]

that seem to be a build issue and something fixable, like taking less damage/leeching more/recoup and so on

or %hp regen

[regal widget]

so are weapons surpose to not count when in demon form or is that a confermed bug with it that the weapons you have on or more or less considered removed when in demon form?

[short palm]

I don´t have that cosmetics thing

playing on ps5 and looks different

[sacred sail]

you on console :/

[rugged isle]

kripp was rank 3 on the ladder doing the top tier maps like 2 days ago as a blood mage lol

[sacred sail]

@shadow tinselhey how do you put a skin on console ?

I see you are on xbox

[true nebula]

standard leaderboard first blood mage is 94 which used cast on freeze

[sacred sail]

@short palm do you have this it's where the K is for me

[rugged isle]

oh sike kripp was infernalist nvm lol

[still rock]

Bro mad they didnt even nerf anything specifically from blood mage lol

I wonder how exactly they buffed leech though, I'm curious to see whats going on there

[sacred sail]

ngl blood mage seem to have it rough, imagine having to handle 80 life spell cost against boss in act 2

ascending seems to make the game harder for them

[ember dove]

respec should be free or cost lowered

[sacred sail]

until they can sustain it

[sacred sail]

I quite like having to farm a bit to respec but that's clearly a bit too overtune right now

[sonic peak]

ppl just don't get the first node until you get more asc points

[short palm]

how do you open that menu?

[sonic peak]

like, you get the blood cost together with the life preserve thing

then it's not as bad

[still rock]

yeah Blood Mage seems way more manageable if you plan ahead for it and dont instantly spec into it, although that seems counter intuitive tbh

[true nebula]

sure and spend 4 points just to be able to play blood mage while other classes gets power spike with each trial

[sonic peak]

something they could do is change so that you only get the life cost 'if you invest 4 or more points into the ascendancy'

this way the first node would only give the life remnants initially

which is kinda whatever, but at least doesn't mess your build

[azure saffron]

does ele damage pen reduce enemy by the amount or is it a negative multiplier onto their resistance

[wary horizon]

Does Original Sin convert elemental damage DEALT or TAKEN to chaos? its not clear when it just says elemental damage

[sonic peak]

dealt, but yeah, it's badly written

[regal widget]

it's damage you deal out

[azure saffron]

dealt. it would be OP if it were taken because CI would be immune to everythin

[thin basin]

when running MoM, is there anything that can touch your hp? like can i run mom ci and stay at like 1 life and a ton of mana taken before the 1 life?

[wary horizon]

damn, there goes the idea of original sin + ci

[still rock]

Imagine if that worked lmao

[serene flower]

i hope i am correct. got a question to an ascendancy with the effect "gain 1 spirit for every 1 evasion rating". i've seen a body armor with 700 evasion rating. does that mean it gives 700 spirits?

[still rock]

just become immune to everything

[wary horizon]

physical damage is the most common damage type in the game so it wouldnt really be OP

[sonic peak]

this one?

[short palm]

sorry I don´t see any wheel thingy 😦

[still rock]

Take % of phys as X element then

it would be broken

[sacred sail]

yeah but that's an unfortunate design that I hope will change, not a big deal but really not ideal imo

[lapis jay]

Does Explosive Grenade count as "Elemental Damage" so would it be affected by "30% increased Elemental Damage"?

[atomic kindle]

i think i might have just bricked my build. is there anyway to get 100% uptime on bleed immunity in poe2, know you can in poe1 but im trying to us CI (hp is 1 immune to Chaos damage) but after my bleed charm runs out im cooked

[regal widget]

it would be the 700 devidid by 15 there

[sacred sail]

press all your button one by one xD

[serene flower]

yeah it is that one. but i see the effect that i read on the internet doesn't seem to be correct. thanks for clarification, makes more sense now

[gray ferry]

What are some other ways to generate Frenzy charges aside from Combat Frenzy? 🤔

[static plinth]

Blood Mage needs to convert instead of add costs

[atomic kindle]

generating charges in poe2 is pretty low not a ton of ways to do it

[static plinth]

Either that or change which node is mandatory

[gray ferry]

That's rough though, looks like a lot of bow skills want to eat a lot of frenzy charges :(

[sonic peak]

wait, why would bleed immunity uptime be relevant for not bricking your build?

[atomic kindle]

if youre struggling with blood mage undo that point, and wait untell you get the next set of 2 and spec all 3)

[static plinth]

You shouldnt be able to be bled past ES?

[sonic peak]

bleed goes through ES?

[sacred sail]

now yes

[static plinth]

Im not, i just dont think thats good design and needs to be changed

[sacred sail]

it seem

[regal widget]

wtf

[sonic peak]

damn

[static plinth]

I am struggling with Infernalist though, but at least i got to take Hellhound

[regal widget]

that's stupid

[static plinth]

You shouldnt be able to get bled without taking damage to HP im pretty sure?

[sonic peak]

stack those bleed charms ig xD

[empty latch]

Guys I am confused about ignite. Does hitting mob with firebolt increasing the ignite magnitude?

[sonic peak]

well

maybe?

[atomic kindle]

wait thats fucking huge

lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[regal widget]

would not matter if you get hit with a bleed of any magnitude with 1 hp your dead

[static plinth]

Were you scared of a problem you hadnt actually encountered lol

[snow mist]

Does passives that increase damage of Chaos effect the converted damage of Chayulah monks chaos damage Node (one with 3 different percentiles?)

[sonic peak]

I think that if you don't take any HP dmg the magnitude is 0

[atomic kindle]

yah im theory crafting XD

[sonic peak]

meaning 0 dmg

[regal widget]

that might be true. at least i would hope it is

[sonic peak]

would be REALLY fucking stupid if that's not how it works because of CI

[regal widget]

i know right

[midnight surge]

is damage against ailments good perk to have for a lightning sorc?

[sonic peak]

would mean you need to take MoM on every CI build, or completely avoid bleed through charms

[sacred sail]

depend if you apply it, if you one shot pack or not, if you need helps against bosses, depend

[sacred sail]

think if when it would proc, and if it would realistically help you

[regal widget]

i am still wondering about the weapons with infernalist and demon form with them accting like they are not equpied when in it

hope it's a bug that will get fixed

[sacred sail]

demonform seem busted enough to replace the weapon, maybe it's intended

[regal widget]

you then lose the spells on some weapons which can be usefull though

and any stats on them like spirit

[sacred sail]

in this game everything is a tradeoff

is it worth it or not is the question

[regal widget]

i get that

[still rock]

Afaik only hits to life can contribute to bleed

[static rapids]

Anyone running gas grenade merc build for leveling? Does gas grenade and explosive shot stay as a staple the whole time and even into mapping or do the skills change eventually? IE: oil grenade taking over gas or something?

[regal widget]

but the increase does not seem high enough for the lose

[snow mist]

Does passives that increase damage of Chaos effect the converted damage of Chayulah monks chaos damage Node (one with 3 different percentiles?)

[atomic kindle]

yah we solved it thanks i was so worried

[sacred sail]

from what I heard it is but I can"'t be sure

[regal widget]

at least with the risk vs reward of dmg bleed out

[still rock]

Just saw that, np. I'm pretty sure that effectively makes CI immune to bleed

There may be some outlier though who knows

[fleet blaze]

does hexbloom work with MARKS?

[atomic kindle]

well i mean if you ever take hp damage your dead. thats like saying CI makes you immune to everything

[ebon wave]

"Shock grants a debuff of 20% increased Damage taken. This is additive with other damage taken modifiers."
Doesn't this mean that shock is kind of ass?

[sacred sail]

it can scale infinitely

[still rock]

Dont know what you mean

[regal widget]

the dmg does as well you take though is the vs reward part

[atomic kindle]

everyone is immune to bleed unless they take HP damage

[sacred sail]

i'm annoyed I can't find a picture of the demon form that is readable

[regal widget]

hold on i can get you one

[still rock]

Yes and CI only takes damage from ES so effectively immune to bleed

[atomic kindle]

im also going ED...

[regal widget]

want it in chat here or pm

[sacred sail]

chat is good, ppl could have opinions

[quaint python]

There’s a pill for that

[still rock]

It's fun, its been a puzzle figuring it out, you can read my notes and build here if it helps https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1316077636866412625

[static plinth]

Yooo it scales with level? Hell yeah

[still rock]

figuring out how PoE2 ED contagion is supposed to be optimized, I mean

[regal widget]

seems like a ramped up rightous fire in a tranformation form tbo

[high relic]

Sorry if its too obvious but whats ED and CI?

[still rock]

Essence Drain, Chaos Inoculation

[regal widget]

essence drain and chaos inuculation

[sacred sail]

you get +5 level of spelll seems to be good enough as a weapon, you get 20% cast speed and a ramping 14% spell dmg which with ten stack is already 140%

[static plinth]

Aherm akshually, its spelt Innoculation

[atomic kindle]

thats dope looks pretty similar to my idea

[plucky bloom]

question:
I picked up a node on the tree that goes "12% Increased Elemental damage with Attacks"
but if I were to hold shift(to see what skills it affects), nothing shows up, am wondering if the node isn't working or if the calculation just did not show. I went to my skill's DPS page and no, it did not show up either(as in no DPS increase)

[atomic kindle]

i assume youre also going MOM? or do you have a different way to mitigate damage

[static plinth]

All 3 stats scale with skill level of Demon Form i think

[sacred sail]

you have to think that if you get all your %dmg from the demon form you don't need much on the tree and could focus on other things like regeneration

[still rock]

recoup and then slows to not get hit in the first place

[regal widget]

fair. just losing the skills on the items can suck lol

[frozen falcon]

just respeced from cos sorc to lightning bolt mana tempest sorc can't wait 4 them to nerf it too!

[atomic kindle]

youre telling me your strat is to never get hit and recoup hp? when CI makes your hp 1? and ED removes your ES?

[sacred sail]

the issue is you'll get to 20 stacks which is 100% life per second, how can you even counter that

[regal widget]

yep

[sacred sail]

don't think ES would help

[atomic kindle]

@still rock have you played the build? are you fakers dad?

[static plinth]

Do you mean EB?

[still rock]

Im not going CI lol

[atomic kindle]

?

[still rock]

idk i think you may have misread something somewhere

[sacred sail]

it's not damage so you can"t use your shield or mana to mitigate it with dmg taken as

you just lose it

[regal widget]

yeah and recoup effects won't work ether

[static plinth]

Did you mean Eldritch Barrier and not Essence Drain?

[sacred sail]

would reduce cost of skills or anything could work ?

[atomic kindle]

yah went back and reread mb. my plan is to go CI, ED, and MOM (eldritch battery)

[vapid zephyr]

has anyone tried combining eldritch barrier and mind over matter? might do it on a chronomancer just for fun, go all into intelligence for massive mana pool

[regal widget]

that one i don't know

since it's a time based dmg based on how long yo ur in it not the cost of the skills

[unique crystal]

Do Totems count as minions?

[regal widget]

no feraln

[sacred sail]

in demonform with 10 stacks it doesn't seem to be worth it tbh

[atomic kindle]

oh XD @still rock you thought i ment essessance drain

[regal widget]

they are there own thing

[static plinth]

No, they are allies defensively and yourself offensively

[atomic kindle]

im also using that but i ment eldritch battery

[still rock]

Yeah cause thats what ED means lol

You meant EB

no prob

[unique crystal]

well thats convoluted >(

[atomic kindle]

oh EB im dislexic dude fuck me hahah i need to sleep so bad

[still rock]

lmao np

[regal widget]

yeah it's ether deadly as hell to use or your need to keep your weapon stats or something is kind of what I was thinking on it as well

[still rock]

yeah MoM CI seems good now since MoM takes 100% before life in PoE2

just lots of ehp

[regal widget]

it's still a nice skill but bleh

[still rock]

You'd have to be careful with mana costs from EB but seems manageable

[sacred sail]

what happens if you take damage on your energy shield, would recoup helps you then ?

[regal widget]

not sure

since it does hp dmg directly

like i don't think you could ci this at all i think it would auto exit it

[unique crystal]

So offensively they wouldnt benefit from >Allies gain attack speed for example?

[sacred sail]

like you could go with very little hp and only focus on ES and make some self harm build where you take ES dmg and recover it as life but you would still die at 20 stacks and that if it was even possible

[regal widget]

the dmg it does bypasses es though 😦

that much i have tested

[sacred sail]

I was just thinking you take damage on your shield and it activate recoup or whatever, topping your health up constantly

[regal widget]

ah

[sacred sail]

but no way to survive 100% life taken

unless you have no life

[regal widget]

well you could still get that from just getting hit but i am not sure what you would use as a skill though to do that

[sacred sail]

we are all gamer here

[grand parcel]

Hey guys, I just got to level 27 on my sorc and have been going a cold build. I really have enjoyed Frostbolt, Coldsnap and Ice Nova. I know CoF is no more but I was wondering if I could still be viable with a cold build and if I should stop leveling my passives a certain way. I havevn't done my ascendancy yet either, so I guess I could still choose something else there if I had to

[regal widget]

lol good one

also it would be 40 stacks i think for 100% life since it's half a % a stack

[static plinth]

No, only Increased totem attack speed or your own increased attack speed.

They wouldnt benefit from +Fire res, but would from +totem or nearby allies fire res

[regal widget]

or something blah i cna't think right now

[sacred sail]

how are you doing with your abilities ? if you are doing fine and enjoy it just continue don't worry about it

people have different standard

[last patio]

what's currently looking stronger between warbringer and titan? I'm tempted to go titan just for the extra inventory so I can more easily earn gold

[sacred sail]

some ppl need the best build to even call a build viable

stupid

[sacred sail]

I always said it was it's best node :p

[unique crystal]

cheers

[static plinth]

Np, theyre weird

[grand parcel]

I like it, I will buildd off these abilities if it works late game. I think it's fun to have some control in blowing up my Frostbolts with coldsnap. I don't need to it to be top META I just know I probably won't be able to theorycraft very well if no similar builds come out

I was thinking of still following the CoF build but keeping my current skills, not sure what I would change with passives there

[sacred sail]

the issue is at 10 stacks for 4 ascendancies point it doesn't seem to be worth it unless you don't need anything else, losing the weapon idc it's more the ascendancy point I care about

[last patio]

I had my build and every other build I was excited to experiment with ruined with the last patch so now I'm going full efficiency mode now that fun is out of the question lol. Titan seems the way to go with that node

[unique crystal]

I wanted to combine a 1h Mace + Sceptre build for minions + totems but alas

[regal widget]

a lot of it is high risk reward factor with witch it seems with both of her current specs

[last patio]

no shot am I gonna blow all of my gold on respeccing, i'll just start over and wait till they balance things

[sacred sail]

ppl always compete, and I have no idea with who, or why xD

but they do

streamer fomo

[sacred sail]

make your own stuff and ask for help when you can

that's what I do

[thin basin]

too much to go for mana stuff, spell crit, ele dmg, lightning dmg, duration and proj speed? or looks ok

[regal widget]

i am just sitting here trying to figure out where to spend points on this tree for a build lol

[sacred sail]

no idea which oen is better

[grand parcel]

I think that's good advice. I will just keep following the CoF passives and with my cold skills, and stop if it looks like something that wouldnt help much

[dim notch]

Hey im playing a mercenary im lvl 19 rn and theres a passive node that gives increased weapon swap speed how actually does that affect my gameplay because i dont get it lol

[regal widget]

using ed and contagion right now

[sacred sail]

yep it's not because you make your build that you can't get help when you get stuck

no need for extreme

[daring jackal]

Anyone made a successful impending doom build?

[sacred sail]

of all me or copy paste

[regal widget]

mine were to till now lol

[sacred sail]

how do you kill bosses

or...

when

?

:p

[regal widget]

dot and run like mad and hope it falls over

[dim notch]

This is confusing the hell out if me bc im using one weapon so why weapon swap speed

[sacred sail]

did you manage to kill the boss on the beach yet ?

[regal widget]

it's not being very easy right now

[sacred sail]

or still going

[last patio]

can temporal rift on chronomancer recover power charges?

[still rock]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1316077636866412625

[shell isle]

Does crit have anything in common with shock in this game?

[still rock]

join us

🙂

[regal widget]

i got to act 1 cruel last boss and had to have a friend help because he keep attrition battling me. still looking for better ways to get some boss dmg. and will have to look at that papa

[heavy remnant]

For Zealot's Oath, the life regeneration, does that include regeneration from leech?

[sacred sail]

is this the group of the most liked ppl in the community :p

[bold saffron]

papa can u give me some ideas for my build

[still rock]

top post of the thread for my build and gems, I've optimized as much as I can so far but theres still some oomph left

[dapper siren]

If your build is good, expect it to be nerfed. Not allowed to have good builds

[regal widget]

will have to look at that. i need the help lol.

[still rock]

What do u want to do

[bold saffron]

im playing stormweaver with mainly just fire and my current setup seems trash that i cant progress to maps

i used to do ember fussi

[regal widget]

though i am going to need to earn some gold to respec some points from things i hoped would help and didn't lol

[bold saffron]

but i wanna do something with cast on ignite

idk what i should be trying to cast cuz the raining fire one limits 1 per use

[outer fjord]

I got blood mage acendency… and I’ve tried a few builds. Near the end of Act 2. And this shit just isn’t working. Should I make a new character or push through?

[mystic storm]

Q
Critical Hits ignore non-negative Enemy Monster Elemental Resistances - This passive works with resistance penetration?

[summer needle]

is deadeye worth it if i wanna do poison barrage or do i hv to do pathfinder to buff the poison?

[stuck widget]

What is an instant spell vs a non instant spell? Is that based on cast time? Hit scan vs projectile?

[sacred sail]

push through, it can only get better, you obviously really wanted to go with bloodmage since it should be your first character

I wanted to give up my warrtior several times and now I'm blasting

[stuck widget]

Trying ot decide of effervescent is good for my arc build

[unreal girder]

do I take culling strike or explody for first ascendancy as lightning merc?

[near dock]

What level do u hit ascedency?

[unreal girder]

26 ish

[near dock]

Ty

[sacred sail]

but you may wait until 40 like me

[near dock]

Wym

[sacred sail]

when your ass get too sore from the trial you come back in act 3

[still rock]

I'd recommend going self cast for now because if you aren't Invoker you'll have to stretch up to the energy gen stuff in the top right now that they added the dampening to energy gen based on ignite damage

[unreal girder]

it's super easy unless you play full melee and dont use any ranged skills

[sacred sail]

that's what I mean

[unreal girder]

unless you're zdps it's fine

[sacred sail]

I use melee 😔 any slam I lose honour. It was so hard now it's better though I had lot of practice (and I deal insane dmg)

[unreal girder]

shockwave totem, sunder

you can play pseudo ranged

[bold saffron]

i do like using solar orb and using it with flameblast to nuke stuff but im then a sitting duck cuz it penalizes movement very hard

[minor tree]

is there any way to turn power charges into frenzy charges? So the reverse of resonance

[bold saffron]

so idk how to fix my survivability

[sacred sail]

vade retro totem xD

[bold saffron]

my build always lacked survivability lol

[stuck widget]

What is an instant spell vs a non instant spell? Is that based on cast time? Hit scan vs projectile? - Tyring to decide if Effervescent is useable in my lightning caster build.

[still rock]

But in general to make a build idea you pick a skill you like and then find interactions with that skill and how you want to scale it and then find utility from other skills to compliment it. Some skills are better at scaling than others though

[bold saffron]

id be happy if u could vc for a few mins to see teh build ngl

[sacred sail]

I should have yeah, I won't struggle anymore for the first floor anyway

[stuck widget]

Get the recoup damage as life node, and more armor / life on gear

[dull umbra]

Is there even any way to salvage a CoF sorc from this?

[still rock]

I'm at work

lol

[bold saffron]

f

[sacred sail]

is that an excuse to not help others

since when does it stop you

[still rock]

I can't vc lol

[sacred sail]

you obviously here at work already

you might as well

going all the way

xD

[bold saffron]

i currently have like 0 armor just ele res, al ot of ES nodes

and like hp

hp ES resistances

[sonic peak]

That + 1 or 2 defensive layers

[stuck widget]

That is your issue 😄

Same issue I had, I just fixed it by going more armor.

[bold saffron]

so i want armor and ES gear?

does it need dex?

[stuck widget]

Or armor

Armor/ES gear is STR/Int

[bold saffron]

i cant rlly go all in on armor cuz i have a lot of % ES stuff

so flat ES is super valuable to me

which now i realized sucks lol

[stuck widget]

yeah but armor is flat reduction

[still rock]

Its nice to have a little bit of armor imo, which only helps against smaller hits but I like being armor/es over eva/es personally

[bold saffron]

can i make high es work with less armor?

[severe abyss]

Is there modifier to gain x mana per hit? I have seen for life but not for mana.

[sacred sail]

ES is good but you need some way to deal with phys hit like evasion or armour

[stuck widget]

I'd prio armor over EN and retool out of EN stuff until you get really good EN gear.

[bold saffron]

yeah my biggest issue is small packs i guess i need armor

[verbal herald]

You can go with Deadeye but you will not be as strong as you would be with Pathfinder. I am going with lightning so I am going to follow Deadeye when I get to that point.

[deep oasis]

guys can you suggest me a decent build im a level 38 stormveawer i was planning to go on freeze comet but it was nerfed i guess

[sacred sail]

or evasion you will evade for first few hits and kill the pack fast enough

[hoary ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-time-stop-gif-25295197

[still rock]

Doesnt have to be every piece of gear, just a couple Ar/es pieces are helpful

[stuck widget]

It takes a ton of evasion to equal out the benefit you get from armor early/mid game.

[sonic peak]

Could also use block depending on the build (idk what you're building)

[bold saffron]

i can show my tree sec

[stuck widget]

What is an instant spell vs a non instant spell? Is that based on cast time? Hit scan vs projectile? - Tyring to decide if Effervescent is useable in my lightning caster build.

[still rock]

It's helpful to have multiple smaller layers of defense while you primarily scale one or two of them majorly

[bold saffron]

i have like 12 points atm so im thinking

[ionic smelt]

Can somebody tell me how shock works ?
I use Galvanic Shards on my Mercenary but it looks like i don't shock at all, lightning damage is supposed to inflict Shock no ?

[bold saffron]

i refunded some trash

[regal widget]

so papa how would you change that tree for an infernalist wich? if at all

[stuck widget]

My sorc was EN based.. I tooled out of it, and now get Armor/EN gear and fixed a ton of my surviveability issues. As a caster sorc

[bold saffron]

can u show ur stats for sorc? just curious

if ur online

[summer needle]

how will i get the frenzy charges for barrage then or for any frenzy bow skill??the nodes on tree are scares(far af to)or can gear drop with it?

[bold saffron]

4%

[stuck widget]

I'm not end game

[uncut creek]

are there any good chaos dmg witch builds?

[stuck widget]

I'm still act 1 cruelty

[still rock]

Slightly. I'm not sure if I'd invest so heavily into recoup so probably going more into ES, but the directions would be similar because you need all the chao dmg you can get

[bold saffron]

r u fire by chance?

[stuck widget]

I'm lighting

[sacred sail]

isn't galvanic arrow consuming shock ? I'm not sure maybe I'm mistaken

[bold saffron]

ok u got a fk load of str

[regal widget]

i see

[bold saffron]

i need to get rid of my habbit of "str on mage = bad" this is an arpg lol

its just hp

what about ur gear pieces, hm str they require to qield

[stuck widget]

Those recoup life nodes on my build are also money.

[sacred sail]

bit of armour will help against little phys hit

[bold saffron]

if at all

[ionic smelt]

Hmm i don't think so, i'll check

[still rock]

Maybe not take double curse, but it's helpful either way. My double curse setup is to optimize the slow magnitude with temp chains blasphemy while not losing the damage from despair

[stuck widget]

Only like 55 right now for str requirments

[sacred sail]

check your gems also it can come from that, or you just don't deal enough lightning dmg

[regal widget]

yeah i doubt i would need the double since I dn't have that combo

[stuck widget]

What is an instant spell vs a non instant spell? Is that based on cast time? Hit scan vs projectile? - Tyring to decide if Effervescent is useable in my lightning caster build.

[bold saffron]

yeah thats 20% raw DR those r good nodes

[verbal herald]

I think it depends upon your playstyle. I am zero melee as a Ranger so I do my best to avoid physical damage as much as possible. I am stacking EV and ES and it has been working pretty well for me so far. I have a dodge skill that helps along with the roll to evade the physical hits.

[still rock]

But as witch you dont get as much interaction with the slow (it's probably still good though, and effectively increases your debuff durations)

[ionic smelt]

Nah i made sure i don't consume it, it's not written anywhere that this skill consumes it.
It looks like Voltaic Grenade inflict shock but it's not what i want

@sacred sail : Do you have any idea on how to deal shock exactly ? I would like to build around this but if i can't shock mobs then my build will be trash 😅

[sonic peak]

Just making sure, but you're not using the support skill that prevents skills from shocking right?

[bold saffron]

this is my tree atm with 9 points left

recou is over 8s idk how good it really is

[stuck widget]

I tried that wheel to the right for the "alternating ailments' It just doesn't pay off enough.

[bold saffron]

id need almost no ES

and a lot of max hp

[ionic smelt]

Nope, i've Lightning Infusion + Neural Overload atm, maybe i didn't understand something ?

[sacred sail]

if you deal enough lighning damage you will shock. Damage relative to the health aka ailment treshold of the ennemies, you need more lightning damage/shock chance to proc it more often

[stuck widget]

What is an instant spell vs a non instant spell? Is that based on cast time? Hit scan vs projectile? - Tyring to decide if Effervescent is useable in my lightning caster build.

I'm sure someone knows...

[ionic smelt]

How can i be sure that i shock ennemies ? isn't it written under their health bar ?

[sacred sail]

@ionic smeltunless you messed up somewhere, with enough dmg you are supposed to shock almost all the time

[lusty gate]

Thumbs up react, a moment of silence if you will, for those of us with Comet...

[sacred sail]

yes it is, a 20% in blue

@ionic smeltshocked ennemies take 20% dmg

[verbal herald]

I haven't looked into a poison build. I kind of ended up going with lightning because I got gear that supported it early on and just stuck with it. The skills and power have been leveling with me quite well so I haven't changed it.

[ionic smelt]

That's what i thought, only my nade is shocking ennemies atm, i don't know why :/

[frosty chasm]

i think im about to give up on blood mage, what class should i reroll into?

[stuck widget]

ball lightning suuuucks for trying to shock.

[sacred sail]

look your gems you may have a gem that make your ability do more dmg but unable to proc ailment

[stuck widget]

I was trying that in my shock based build and it just wasn't working out. I"m all in on arc/lightning warp right now.

[pine elm]

invoker is dead after this patch. DAM

[ionic smelt]

That's what i have

[verbal herald]

I'm still early game (Act 2) so I may find myself regretting this decision. LOL I guess I'll see.

[pine elm]

That's kinda f lol

[stuck widget]

What is an instant spell vs a non instant spell? Is that based on cast time? Hit scan vs projectile? - Tyring to decide if Effervescent is useable in my lightning caster build.

[sacred sail]

maybe the skill deal to low damage with each hit, try to go in lower level zone to see

[balmy turtle]

Hi. What's he best gem combo for sunder please ?

[sacred sail]

that would depend how you want to use it

I don't think it's possible to say the best but we can say good gems for it

[ionic smelt]

You might be right, it's 6x15% damage

And only 40% are converted to Lightning damage.

[sacred sail]

the beam deals 100% though, idk ANYTHING about mercenary xD just try in lower level zone to see

idk how the spell is

[ionic smelt]

I'll do that, thx for your time 🙂

[sacred sail]

if you shock lower level ennemies then you need more dmg and shock chance

[mellow yoke]

Do buffs snapshot in this game or is it dynamic?

[covert tide]

Can dots crit? Profan ritual?

[sacred sail]

no crit dot but crit make you apply a stronger ailment or better chance to proc it. Chaos dot aren't ailment though except poison/bleed

[ionic smelt]

It's exactly that, i tried against low level mobs, it worked instantly.

Thx again 🙂

[sacred sail]

no problem ^^

upgrade your weapon

[sacred sail]

maybe try to get a weapon with flat lightning damage

[still rock]

Shock chance itself is taken from the hit so you need to have significant hit dmg for it to be reliable

[sacred sail]

so you don't care as much about the 40% conversion

damn im smart

:p

[ionic smelt]

I might be fine, i think devs make sure it wont happen

I'm lvl 26 btw

[sacred sail]

oh that weapon seem solid for low level

[still rock]

yeah should be fine for your level

[sacred sail]

you need a gem that make you do shock even if you deal less dmg

could help

[ionic smelt]

I two shots almost all the packs so i'm pretty sure it's not about my overall damage output, only the low lightning damage output from that spell.

[sacred sail]

think there is some

[still rock]

Some skills are just better at shocking, you gotta test around

[sacred sail]

he wants that ability to shock

[ionic smelt]

Yep, i'll just nade for the shock then shoot

[wintry crane]

what controls speed at which character uses commands? attack speed or cast speed?

[ionic smelt]

Maybe when i'll reach higher level, i might be able to increase my shock chances in the passives tree. I'll see 🙂

[dawn bronze]

any1 has an idea of what that does?

[sacred sail]

attack speed fo attack. Cast speed for spells. Action speed is both

[bold saffron]

Can cast on ignite skill that ignites fuel CoI itself?

[patent cloud]

Is chaos damage always spell damage? Meaning if I find % spell damage that is higher than % chaos damage, it's better?

[languid rapids]

does the effect of loading an additional bolt only come with dyad crossbows

[bold saffron]

like if i cast on ignite fireball, it creates novas, those ignite and trigger another fireball?

can CoI feed itself?

[sacred sail]

no chaos damage could be an attack aswell.

[sacred sail]

it depend how you deal your chaos damage

[short palm]

how do I save the game before leaving?

[ionic smelt]

What do you mean ? I've 1 more bolt each reload.
That line is implicit, any crossbow might have it (or not)

[sonic peak]

Chaos dmg is a dmg type, spell is a 'skill type'

A chaos spell can benefit from both, a chaos attack cant

[sacred sail]

it saves automatically but not the areas your are in it will reset, it reset every 8 to 15m

[graceful hamlet]

are we not able to block with dual wield anymore? I don't see it anywhere in the passive tree, or is blocking only for shields this time?

[languid rapids]

i mean i saw like for example most of the time second grenade effeckt on clockwork crossbows thats why asked if it comes only with dyad

[wintry crane]

command as in "command: gas arrow" that makes minions shoot gas arrow. Character points at target, and I'm talking about speed of that "pointing". Is it character's attack speed because it's minion's attack?

[ionic smelt]

What's "dyad" ? Sorry my english ain't perfect x)

[spice tree]

Anyone know of any good low level monk leveling uniques?

[short palm]

is it constantly saving auto? I mean, every second?

[sacred sail]

oh sorry then I don't know but I would say instincitvely minion attack speed or cast speed

[patent cloud]

I've much to learn I understand. So far I seem to only have chaos spells it seems (playing a witch), so for now I guess spell damage will be better if higher than the chaos damage stat

[languid rapids]

the crossbow u postet is dyad

[ionic smelt]

Oh ok, i have no idea 😮

[languid rapids]

there are diffrent types of crossbow like dyad,clockwork etc

[molten grotto]

does cultist bow work with lightning arrow? wondering if this is worth socketing

[sacred sail]

if you have a chaos spell then both apply, higher number is better.

[sacred sail]

it should be fine

[languid rapids]

my question was are only the dyad ones with second bolt or can the other ones have the same effect

[sacred sail]

hopefully you can exalt it for another flat damage !

[raw thicket]

are there any good stormweaver builds post nerf?

[sacred sail]

worth trying

[ionic smelt]

I got it, but i don't have the answer, i'm only level 26 and i didn't pay attention to it atm x)

[raw thicket]

or is sorc among the weaker classes now?

[fringe cape]

Are there any shooting builds for merc that are viable? Or is it just grenade spam all day?

[molten grotto]

thats what I was thinking!

[sonic peak]

Yeah, if you're playing a witch you'll want to focus on both chaos and spell damage

Probably

[languid rapids]

okay nvm then

[thin basin]

check out captainlance9

[sonic peak]

Unless you're using off-meta stuff

[formal night]

if someone wants to buy :3

[sacred sail]

later one you would need to really focus on a damage type or two with weapon swap but early game ANY flat damage helps

[gray ferry]

If you take Pyromantic Pact on Infernalist, does mana regen affect you at all anymore?

[languid rapids]

that item is a menace

[potent spoke]

any build i can fix my cast on freeze chrono with?

[raw thicket]

spark build?

[molten grotto]

This is my current bow, hard to tell if it cultist will be better if I add the lightning sockets

[thin basin]

should semi work with any lightning spell but yes mana archmage stuff

[bronze falcon]

can anyone here tell me: can any source of Fire damage apply Ignite, or does it have to be explicitly mentioned that a source of Fire damage has a chance to Ignite?

alternatively, would the Ignition support gem give Ignite chance to a skill that otherwise does not have it/does not deal Fire damage?

[ionic smelt]

I'm still low level (26) but my build is doing crazy atm.

[dawn bronze]

no +arrows?

[sonic peak]

Either keep investing on it, or make it so one weapon set is focused on freeze and the other is on ignite
There's some good dmg interactions you can get by mixing these 2

[sacred sail]

use the weeapon press G and compare the dmg on a skill with both even without putting socket and try to extrapolate

[molten grotto]

dualstring was a lot slower clear for me than this

[languid rapids]

i think 2 damage runes would be better but u already put in lightning damage

[molten grotto]

iron rune or do you mean a soul core?

[bold saffron]

im confused why my CoI is barely generating any % on a full fire build lol

[sacred sail]

@molten grottobtw ligthning damage is very volatile with low minimum and high maximum

[autumn shale]

does cold damage inflict chill? or just freeze buildup?

[bronze falcon]

no Fire/Ignite enjoyers able to answer this?

[fringe cape]

using grenades?

[ionic smelt]

Nope

[sacred sail]

based

[warm prism]

im doing a bow shot/arrow rain build... bow shot gonna fall off? its 1-3 shotting, bossing is smooth.

just hit cruel

[languid rapids]

the one that give 20% damage like there are already buffs that % convert that in lightning damage so u should have more damage that way

[ionic smelt]

I linked it to you in private

[sonic peak]

Dealing more fire dmg doesn't generate more energy afaik
You need to invest into energy generation passives to use CoI efficiently

[sacred sail]

check your accuracy. Press G and click on the arrow on your arrow rain

[sacred sail]

oh I thought you were missing

I misunderstood

[sonic peak]

There are a few passives in the INT-DEX area of the tree

[warm prism]

Np, was just wondering if ill just get destroyed in maps, relying mainly on Auto Attack.

[bold saffron]

ik it doesnt, ignite does, but just a day or two it was triggering super easily, now that same spell gives like 2%

[sacred sail]

you'll get destroyed because of defenses xD like we all do

nothing to do with auto attack

[sonic peak]

They made some changes on yesterday's patch

[warm prism]

xD im going to invest a decent amount in resistances/STR
and choosing correct item bases. lol

[gray ferry]

It was nerfed as of last night

[sonic peak]

Now it generates energy based on the enemy type

Bosses will generate a lot more energy

Random mobs a lot less

[sacred sail]

make so much sense

[bold saffron]

man i just wanna make a functional fire stormweaver lmao

[formal night]

is this very rare?

[sonic peak]

I think rares generate more than normal mobs, but haven't checked

[gray ferry]

Rares do

[formal night]

should i make my spark+20 ?

[bold saffron]

what can i do with this

[sacred sail]

yep but they increased the drop rate I think

[gray ferry]

It's something like 1 energy for normal mob, maybe like 2-5 for blue/rare, and then 20 or so for unique

[bold saffron]

(specced to shock cuz i have all dmg types shock)

[bold saffron]

it generates like 1% now tho idk its weird

[formal night]

welp only costs 1 exalted seems like

[high relic]

Wow, I won the lotto KEKW

[sacred sail]

also maybe it's a bug and it's nerfed way harder than they anticipated

[bronze falcon]

do you know if any source of Fire damage can apply Ignite or only specific sources?

[gray ferry]

There are nodes to the upper right side of the tree that grant bonus spell dmg to trigger spells along with increased energy gen, there is also Impetus support that grants more energy gen

But it might still be tough on white packs

[bold saffron]

any fire can but ignite specific ones do it guaranteed

[sacred sail]

any fire HIT can

[warm prism]

https://tenor.com/view/itch-crackhead-drugs-drugaddict-addict-gif-11128316954240258813

POE1 Max res users be Like

[sonic peak]

Your build wasn't specced into energy at all, so just keep playing? Or spec into energy generation if you want to use CoI

[bronze falcon]

thanks

[bold saffron]

my main issue is that i die all the time, do i just need to get 50+ str and get armor?

[sacred sail]

if you deal enough damage and didn't messed up your gems

[bold saffron]

im at 156 int

[gray ferry]

Otherwise could run a 2 weapon set up for self cast on packs and CoI for bosses

[bold saffron]

with ES

no armor

[nova plank]

Which sorc build better now ?

[warm prism]

class?

[bold saffron]

i generally did solar orb + flameblast it

stormweaver

[warm prism]

armor/es+str

[radiant needle]

It's there a cap to ascension skill points and if so how do you get more than the original 4 from the 2 trials.

[bold saffron]

great ive 12str lmfao xdddd at endgame

[warm prism]

es can be lackluster unless u have ways to restore it

[bold saffron]

so i wa nt 50+ str and good armor body

i rlly dont besides faster recharge rate spam

which prob wont do shit

i mean i actually Do have a way to do it but idk how good it would be

[abstract nimbus]

anyone wanna help me figuree out what support gems to use? lightning arrow act 4 atm

[warm prism]

yeah cause as soon as ur hit, it halts and has to restart its tick to regen

[bold saffron]

this might do it

i grabbed quite a lot of % ES

so it feels very weird to go hard on armor and less on es

cuz i lose SO much

[warm prism]

the more resistances/armor u have it'll help with ES tankiness too

can be a high ES, but still squishy ES/lifepool

[bold saffron]

oh yeah that makes sense

do u play stormweaver?

[warm prism]

ranger

[bold saffron]

i guess ill try respeccing some int nodes for str and get armor piece see how it feels

[warm prism]

I would definitely pump some str for HP/ look for Armor/ES(Str-int) pieces

if u want best of both worlds

or mix match full str or full int pieces

[snow sierra]

Just a shield helps a ton

[warm prism]

^

[open wasp]

anyone know if its worth it to run galvanic shards on lightning ranger ?

[bold saffron]

wouldnt shield + wand be less dmg than staff?

[daring berry]

Does the minion pact support: "remove 100% of your life from a minion to deal 40% more dmg" not work if your minion has less life than you?

[warm prism]

blocking is underrated as well, innate block as well.

cant deal damage if ur dead

[nova plank]

Guys which stats combo better for sorc - armor/res/es or dodge/res/es?

[warm prism]

xD

[snow sierra]

I have a MoM build with nearly only ES equipment and just equiping a shield with a high block boosted my surviablity to insane amounts

[still rock]

@bold saffron I'm quite busy today with work but if you DM me your tree, gems, supports and what u want to do more of then I can give you some pointers and optimize your tree for points but itll be later this evening

[warm prism]

depends on if u want more hits or survivability

[warm prism]

https://tenor.com/view/handsome-goat-gif-6573140035262115049

[bold saffron]

yeah that would be amazing, one guy did that alrdy yesterday i think and gave me a lot of nice ideas but i have quite a bit of questions still

[torn flame]

Anyone fixed this wonderfull CoC nerf?

[bold saffron]

i think i have a plan ill just tell u what i want and u can comment if its good/bad idea etc

[warm prism]

toss those questions out, if we can help we are here

[autumn shale]

does cold damage inflict chill? or just freeze buildup?

[fair notch]

I’m cold archmage and ive no idea what to play now haha

[warm prism]

play what you enjoy

[snow sierra]

Lighting archemage

easy

[bronze falcon]

I'm not actually a fire build, just wanted to know if I could apply Ignite with things like Fire damage weapon runes/added Fire damage to Attacks etc.

I'm playing Monk and I'm pretty good at applying Shock & Freeze to my Tempest Bell, but I want to add in Ignite if I can do so bc the damage of Tempest Bell's shockwave scales with how many elemental ailments the bell is affected by

[bold saffron]

i think i alrdy have a plan, basically im trying to play a caster sorc with solar orb + flamewburst it (cuz it makes it cast way faster than on urself)

[bronze falcon]

thanks for answering my question! do you know if adding the Ignition support gem to a skill that otherwise doesn't do Fire damage or have any Ignite chance will still give that skill Ignite chance? or would it have no effect?

[nova plank]

Both

[vital crow]

which one do i take for invoker ice monk?

[full inlet]

Act 3 CoF Sorc here who actually stumbled across the build on their own without guides, I prefer to experiment, but obviously it's been killed now and that's definitely hit my motivation to play right now. I don't want to follow a guide, so has anyone got any recommendations for a class that's in a good place right now to experiment with? Ideally nothing dumb op as it'll just get nerfed

[bold saffron]

so im running around spamming flammability fire orbs and detonating them 1shotting things. my issue was i kept getting 1 tapped by normal mobs but turns out thats my lack of armor (4% atm LOL)

so the easiest fix will simply be to respect 50 out of my 150 int nodes to str so i can equip armor gear and that should help mitigating a lot of chip dmg while im casting stuff

and ill try to scale cast speed so im nto stationary for too long

that's the idea for now