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No, it has 16% fire res. So it's basically a one mod blue item
Id probably take a node that just said +30 spirit tbh
like ggg intended 
and people dont even have 3k life, ive seen people with like what 1700?
anyone?
Yes. Life can roll on all non-weapon pieces. Life isn't aligned to an attribute
so thats like 20 spirit?
I actually have no clue how that works, if you find out lmk
every rune talks about "martial weapon", can spell caster weapons not have rune slots?
i think default weapon skills have sockets depending on your highest socket value gem
@still rock @timid cloud weapon skills have sockets based on the weapon ilvl. Idk breakpoints
my assumption would be that at a certain ilvl of weapon the sockets go up but i have absolutely no base to put that on
or ilvl idfk
ok ill start by doing optional bosses to get resistances see how that will feel
oh, ok yeah there we go
anyone else have 0% evasion rating but also have evasion? i have 430 evasion, not sure if thats enough to give at least 1%, im a chayula monk and i took almost all chaos damage/cast speed nodes, going ED cont with effigy and i only have 1 unique on thats a helm and i checked all passives and gear and i dont see anything that says icant evade
well they did nerf es recharge by quite a bit
It's actually really strong if you have some way to restore it. Like temporal rift, leech, etc.
i see maybe that's why i can't add socket to it then
@green elm do you have this
Legendaries aren't a thing. Unique items are what yih mean
ES not even considered a mod : /
yeye
which is better frost mage or arsonist for witch build?
You cannot modify the sockets of skills granted by items
nope, not even close on the tree
Is there a reason totems wouldn't benefit from conditional nodes like "+40% damage against heavily stunned enemies"? Also not sure about if the distance is me or the totem for "+40% damage with hits at close range".
any unique items
Most auras are 60 spirit, so added with a boss passive spirit stat, you get a free aura for 25% of your max HP
IMHO not worth it for infernalist builds, due to lack of lifesteal
should i then try to learn into it or just say fk it and get ehp and resistance cap
i wonder if ES is going to be too dependent on ghost shrouds, although we haven't got templar or whatever the poe 2 alternative is yet
thats the only unique i have on
cuz i was about to head towards ES rechargespeeds etc
oh really? so how some ppl have 5 sockets on their weapon skills?
tbh
Idk how they work in poe2, but in Poe1 totems inherited your stats. So they'd benefit from basically all the nodes on your tree.
maybe other palce in tree that converts evasion to armor
They have higher ilvl weapons
do all ice skills apply cold exposure?
gotcha appreciate that 🙏🏻
its possible but i checked and double checked and tripple checked, i only have 1 passive that even says evasion
oh woops, didn't mean to reply
What's your ascendancy?
actually i think only frost bomb inheriently provides cold exposure
oh ok ty
Just needed to know if there was some well known limit for totems "seeing" conditions, thanks.
es recharge is probably only worth it later after you are built up on ES as your main ehp source, early on you always should focus on life first then resist cap
I'd do resists over life tbh.
what good is cold exposure if the only skill in the game to apply it is frost bomb? lol
Well, whatever gets you more ehp I suppose
well you do more cold damage when they're exposed
doesn't seem very complicated to me
@green elm do you have acrobatics
What good is the sun if it's the only star in our solar system?
life values on gear seems to be more important here imo since none on tree and the values on gear roll pretty high, but obviously yeah ideally youre getting both in conjunction somehow
ok ill keep that in mind for my new char, ty
I mean in the sense that all of the cold exposure nodes you would take are only useful for frost bomb. If there were more skills that they applied to I'd think they were more worth taking
i personally think that the exposure node on stormweaver is too powerful not to take
I think life on gear is about the same, personally. Since we don't have %life on the tree to scale it
yeah its nuts
well you're supposed to cast frost bomb and then other cold skills to take advantage of the exposure
Welp, info, despite launching multiple projectile, Bone Storm only count as 1 crit at most per cast for Cast on Crit
Guys, do those 2 work well together? Is single cold damage considered as chill or not?
does minion instability proc when minions run out of duration
is there a way to tell w hich optional bosses we've alrdy killed
yeah they're only useful for frost bomb but frost bomb then makes you do a shit ton of damage
Isn't that what cast on crit says? Once per cast?
fair enough, just wish there was more variety
Grayed out = dead
i imagine there will be later
frost bomb applies exposure which is a debuff then you use your other spells
Nope
its not only for frost bomb
Wrong ping
Any character planner websites out yet?
@still rock @last patio isn't there a T3 support that applies exposure?
oh? nice
Hey everyone new to the sub
i missed it, my bad
my rerollitis is making me want to do coc invoker now
i will never finish the campaign at this rate
Is it worth to build my witch around this?
yeah for every element
So either the spell is bugged, or either it's intended and quite sad
Like utilizing grinning immolation and altered flesh?
can u show me ur resistances for reference?
Anyone playing Crossbow, using Glacial Bolt + Frag Rounds?
I can't seem to find a good 4-link for Frag Rounds.
when i have additional chance to inflict ailment on projectile skills. i recon that actualy need to be a skill that actualy has an ailment on it ?
Or is this piece moreso just an addition rather then something to build around w
I'm on mobile. I think I'm sitting around 50/65/75
Fire/cold/lightning
witch ascendincy is best for necromancer infernalist or blood mage
you dont necessarily need to build around this other than looking for increased max fire resistance
it just helps you mitigate phys without needing armor
idk it seems i got most optional bosses down that give me perma resistances
And I'm a chronomancer so everything around me is slowed. And I constantly electrocute. But I feel squishy when things actually do hit me
Where to anoint in poe2? Also can u change it after?
Which*
Either
Make sure you've also explored all the zones (no question marks). You can't see boss markers for zones you haven't been in
I see i see! infernalist has skils that turn damage into fire damage and give me damage res, so probably will be picking that up
out of ember fusillade, solar orb and incinerate which one would u guys recommend for witch build?
im ngl i think the fire spells are kinda bad
Pretty sure all the cast on X gems specify you can only gain energy once per skill use
Incinerate and solar orb has been working for me
I hear solar orb is pretty hot
it also is effective for the things you listed above as well but thats more of a side effect - the main boon you gain from any effect that says "phys taken as X element" is that youre mitigating physical damage without needing armor, which effectively raises your EHP through the roof for phys
nah otherwise coc eye of winter wouldn't be blasting
why is that?
Eye of winter proc it multiple time tho
just a vibe i'm getting
Oh. I see.
none of them look particularly powerful
Can someone screen grab cast on crit?
so in turn, getting your max fire res past 75 just further increases that ehp
"After this hotfix, we will be making adjustments to other Trigger Meta-Gems. In particular, we are going to be moving towards it being that you will not be able to apply very weak ailments from low level abilities to build energy. It is our intention that using low level skills with no investment is not an appropriate avenue to trigger copious amounts of high damage spells." - So does that mean my high level support +quality gems to trigger energy (Cast on freeze) won't be affected?
does orb do more damage than the incinerate spell?
No idea
"take physical damage as X element" effects are some of the strongest and most overlooked defensive tools for non-armor builds
Yeah so it's not once per cast
Ahhh interesting! Good to know, thanks for helping break down this armor
so long story short, its a good unique but no life hurts
It's just Bone Storm that's bugged
Welp, time to report it and take a break till they patch it uh
Or I could just play crit without a CoC payout
Is that in the talent tree or on items?
Are you using low level skills to apply freeze? If so, I think you're fine
I'm not sure about living bomb, but isn't sigil of power just a universally way better skill than all the other sorc spells? so... wouldn't you always want to have a sigil of power staff over the others?
all my frost skills are the same level, im not sure what they mean by low level since you get tons of uncut gems..
afaik the only source on the tree is a node called Catalysis
lvl 56 btw
its generally found on uniques traditionally
They mean using low level skills because they have lower mana costs, I think
fingers crossed they dont gut my frost baby
i mean it is OP....it they tweak it a bit im totally OK with that
I just hope they don't 'Helldivers 2' it
If you benefit from sigil of power and don't plan to utilize living bomb or another staff spell, the answer is likely yes.
Greetings, I have reached the "Cruel" Acts, and now I am faced with the inevitability of my bad past decisions. What kind of stats should I look to have in an armor as a Sorceress?
Life and resistances
living bomb is the one I haven't tried but lightning bolt seemed awful, ice shards somewhat decent but both skills aren't used by any player later on, at least I haven't seen one
And movement speed on boots
i assume this means that they are adding a threshold of ailment strength value necessary to trigger the meta gems, I think like low level ignite is probably the one being targeted here
is there anypoint me having over 100% crit chance on passive tree? (I AM NEW SORRY)
but im just guessing
Hold alt and read the crit tooltip, especially the last paragraph of it
If going a fire warrior, would I want to dip into totems? If so what skill would I want to slot into it?
Freeze should be unaffected because of how buildup works innately
but low level flame wall is cheap and too easy to trigger the ignite meta gem
for example
Probably something that could proc other stuff or debuff. Daze, fire exposure, maim, etc
Flamewall consuming all my mana cause I want to perma cast commet:
Am i missing something? My Life Remnants are disabled because not enough spirit but i do have enough left over
if i have arcane surge from the stormweaver ascendancy, can i still get another stack of it from the support gem or is it just a single stack and is either active or not?
I'd recommend un equipping both weapons and relogging. Spirit is kinda buggy
Ok is it just a massive oversight from a studio this successful to not enable us to view the Gemcutting and Support Gem screens without having one of said gems on hand? I can't plan my crap ahead because of this
No. Buffs of the same name don't stack
I keep one of each uncut on me at all times. But yeah, it would be great if they could let us view them without cutting.
He keep that uncut on him 😭
bosses are piss easy with correct resistance
are there any lightning spells that can shotgun?
Spark
like what lightning spells are best with mana tempest
Isn't spark basically a shotgun?
nothing can shotgun afaik
So far my hammer is going to take care of fire exposure, might put the armour break skill in it since my hammer procs exposure on armour break
becuase the ice shards thing from the ice staff specifcally says it can shotgun
Ah-
ice shards and crossbow skills iirc
I think if the projectile pierces the target or if a proj bounces off of a wall, it can hit the same enemy again
doesnt seem to help unfortunately
i remember seeing a thing about crossbows while holding alt
i havent used em yet but would be an easy test
the ice shards skill from the ice staff speficifcally says it can
thats kinda pog
Crossbow abilities that fire multiple projectiles at once can shotgun,yeah
does it just do dookie damage otherwise to compensate for that?
tbh crossbow skills that dont shoot fragments dont really shotgun as much as they shoot them really fast sequentially
which is pretty much the same but its better for single target
thats not shotgunning though thats just multiple applications right? @analog gale
is there any hope for me to respec out of minions into ANYTHING else working with infernalist?
Does the order you activate them matter? I'd also try turning off all your spirit gems and unequipping your weapons. Then relog
always have an uncut with you at all times 
i think crossbows just inherently can shotgun
word
I think it says how it works when you hold alt over crossbow
otherwise stuff like fragmentation rounds would suck
If a cbow skill fires multiple projectiles baseline, they shotgun. If you add projectiles, those get fired sequentially
when Bonestorm says 'fire them at enemys and explode'
does the explosion do more damage on top of the hit damage? what causes the explosion?
too busy theorycrafting how many ascendancies im going to play as ed contagion
Ngl Ed contagion chrono sounds so comfy
so its like barrage support from poe1 but better with single projectile spells
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this dude
has 4k+ ES and 3k+ mana
jeezus
Omfg I typed that before I saw that peepo
also scattershot support is like 2x damage for single projectile crossbow skills
yeah most the time im just kinda chilling
chillmaxxing
is it insane?#
Yeah took even the skills off and relogged, doesnt seem to change anything. As soon as i hit below 20 spirit reserved it bricks
2 gems and 25 spirit is fine
my only gripe is the contagion area for spread is so small
whats a good rune for weapons for monk?
very much so. The guy only use eldrich battery > convert into mana > use some kind of amulet > convert mana into ES.
that's what i heard
does the pen work for srs and minions in general?
Even MoM Sorc can get 3k mana but they cant gain any ES.
6th item i whisper for... no answers
welcome to poe 
I mean trading in PoE is awful and that is by design because reasons
i went ssf years ago because of that exact reason lol
whats ssf
why chrono
Can SSF use the currancy trader? i am playing standard because I want the currancy exchange but otherwise I am just SSF.
yeah but i take time to find trades and people just dont answer xD
nop
could a contagion/chaos/freeze/chill build work?
What skill did you monks use for campaign, or does anyone have a good guide that they used?
i think ive bought one item
Hay, I am Deadeye Ranger but I really struggle at bosses. is there any build I can follow (and I dont like to build my own I am new I cant do it ) 🙂
what does SSF do? Idk the difference. like no trading?
I've traded with the currancy exchange for some exhaults to slam stuff. But all gear is made/found by me
get proper resistance and bosses are aeasy
its epeen and a forced mechanical restriction to support a playstyle people enjoy (and the ladder for it)
but yes no trading
or grouping
and spam cold witch on act 1 until all unique drops
ohh forced solo and no trading okay gotcha

anyone have a skill tree screenshot for lightning arrow+lightning rod ranger setup
is that a thing lmao
yeah
is the unique drop rate stupidly high there
if i have 30k gold what do u suggest ido wiht it
papa needs me some wanderlust 
is there any similar websites for poe2 like lastepochtools for LE?
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you can just stack item rarity.
and farm there like crazy.
sounds boring
Firestorm consumes ignites right? but what if if my build is made to make realy big ignites? wont the damage just be wasted if firestorm consumes them???
can random boots from vendor have movement speed as its first bonus?
my current boots r ass but i want 10 MS
people who invested completely into chaos on the passive tree and in skill gems on witch what did you pick for an ascension
Is there someone while can tell more or test for me if chronomamcers 33% skill works on grenades? And if the full skill reset gives all charges back or just one?
Welp, reported the Bone Storm bugged interaction
or just have a system to track only one kill on the boss and drop the rarity drop rate on successive kills
which is how it should work ideally imo
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Hey guys!
Running witch, thinking of going blood mage, mostly now going into energy shield on my path, alongside crit for spells. (just level 15)
I noticed in the tree that physical damage will be the main schmick I think, are there any good range phys. Spells? Or what are your suggestions?
I read that blood mage is for some underwhelming but I think if one goes for crit and apply bleeding and an element like chaos it could be quite fun!
isnt that kind bad?
🤔
that mean, nobody can farm story bosses
thats counter intuitive to playing the hame normally
"50% increased Mana Regeneration Rate while moving" Anyone tested to make sure you're counting as moving when continuously holding down a spell to cast now that we move while casting?
Or if we just move slightly back and forth within say a Mana Tempest?
shouldnt be encouraged imo but im not ggg so idrc lol
no, i mean that sound like bad idea
that mean when ggg introduce some end game bosses like uber or elder
focus more on spell dmg and other dmg increases before crit. crit chance is something you want to invest into later when you have the rest of your damage built up
reducing drop rate constructive kills would defeat the points of farming bosses
because small amts of crit chance dont do much early
yeah i dont think you should get the same rewards farming bosses thats what i mean lol
what does this do?
Do you know for Plasma Beam, would it be better to put Physical Damage 20% Runes or the Lightning Damage 1-20 Runes into the crossbow?
It converts 70% of physical damage, but raw lightning damage seems to add a lot to galvanic
can spells miss on enemies?
no
so accurancy is just for martial weapons
unless u literally miss them with your click 
correct
easier to ignite, freeze or shock ennemioes
@old oriolewait no
i thought make it harder?
depends on how much flat you have
@old oriole maybe it's the other way around, you'll get ignited, chilled or shocked less often
one of the two
if you have small amt of flat you want more flat if you have large amt of flat you want more %
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idk it's a quest reward, don't want to gamba it
maths
looking for suggestions on spark trigger build
Can we respec Acendensies ??
no
If I attach Energy Barrier or Wind Wave to Wind Dancer, does a hit that triggers Wind Dancer and stuns me count as "being stunned while using the skill"? Or is there just some tiny window after Gale Force activates where the stun needs to happen
can an enemy be frozen and chilled at the same time? and would this node effectively give you 30% extra chaos damage over time with contagion?
maybe respec but not change,maybe
thanks for sharing that
me I got trolled by translation 😭
trying to build a bow chaos monk opinions on this tree? https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/4f4oo03e
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ye ok would be nice to know if we could respec the points tho
correct, it lowers the enemies chance to inflict elemental ailments on you
Firestorm consumes ignites right? but what if if my build is made to make realy big ignites? wont the damage just be wasted if firestorm consumes them???
if you know d&d see it as like an AC for elemental ailments
if not then ignore me
i think imma go mana regen, but does mana regen even matter when i have flask?
If Im trying to build up combo for the sake of spamming bells. What skill would people recommend? Im thinking of picking up a bow and or crowssbow to help build combo from range
ye for bossing
u run out of flasks
anyone knows of a source of mana leech for casters?
Is worth to do again some bosses on cruel run? (I know some of them give you 2 skill points, but others like "king of the mist". They don't, right?)
you can not have arcane surge twice, right?
right
can an enemy be frozen and chilled at the same time? and would this node effectively give you 30% extra chaos damage over time with contagion?
I think it's worth it for the loot
correctz they dont stack
do you need a certain amount of dexterity for evasion rating to work? i legit cant find out why i have no evasion rating, can someone tell me how much evasion they have and what their rating is?
what's your thoughts on me using like mostly uniques?(6 uniques)
probably not. no cause ed and contagion are not elemental ailments but debuffs
i need some help with my build i think ive bricked it in a way i cannot kill jamanra or even get up to him now without struggling
probably bad because you need life and resists
as long as they're useful uniques then its fine
not if i freeze and block every single enemy coming my way
go to old zones, farm gold and gear and try to fix it or reroll
but the chill and freeze ARE debuffs, so while they are debuffed by freeze and chill I'd think you'd get 30% more damage from contagion dot right?
no it isnt coupled with dex
in that case yes
oh no
you need eva on gear
ah word ok thank you!
ok great
Hello can anyone help? By mistake I lost my swap skill short cut (you know the one it looks like recycle ♻️) now I can't swap to my secondary skill bar ?, is there an way to find that ? (For PS5)
no i didnt ever see anything on it i'd love to know though
u be squish but GL
@mighty talon which zone is best for gold?
honestly wanderlust is goated
no, they hit once they freeze, i just loose my es
20% ms and can't be slowed
heyo i play shockwave totem, if u want to play totem you have to stack +x to all skill gems , right now i have lvl 26 totems they do 4500 each ( x3 thats 13500 ) at lvl 68 .
maybe give it a try with +5 skill gems on weapon, +2 gloves and +2 amulet and try again?
one you can clear fast
Accuracy doesn't matter at all with grenades right?
Is there a Website already for poe2 builds?
did this get patched? ppl on comments say that it was
Does ignite from different players stack?
does projectile dmg affect grenades explosion dmg?
guys do i go chronomancer or stormweaver
if its an attack it needs accuracy
Probably an obvious question, but just want to confirm: a Triggered spell does not consume the mana cost when triggered correct?
been having a blast with fire stormweaver, but chronomancer looks fun too
you should see your chance to hit on the detailed skill window
By mistake I lost my swap skill short cut (you know the one it looks like recycle ♻️) now I can't swap to my secondary skill bar ?, is there an way to find that ? (For PS5) There should be some short cuts for these bindings. if I remove portal to town skill short cut short cut where do I get it back again ?
what skill types do you want to use
for a invoker monk build with charged staff and a lot of lgihtning skills, what should I be looking for when finding a new quarterstaff??
correct it consumes energy instead
which build has more potential in the endgame? cast on crit comet with eye of the winter or archmage spark?
tyvm @still rock (you've answered a few of my questions in this discord 😉 )
you almost always want flat phys incresed phys % and attack speed
Would it work to make a build centered around projectile damage, ditching almost everything elemental? Or would it scale terribly?
holiday at work is slow xD
triggered spell absolutely consumes mana, in case of comet it's usually all of your mana xD
highest amount of phys dmg and flat ele dmg is good also
oh is that trueM
how would that increase my damage if all my skills are lightning based?? sorry im new to this game
my b
yes I am playing cast on freeze comet
huh? so what happens?
ah i mustve just tested it eith something that cost like nothing
yeah maybe
so if you go cast on freeze/crit + comet you need a huge mana pool and tons of mana regen
and cast on crit should be ofc better in the endgame
im running shock atm
all attacks that do elemental damage generally have a line in them that converts your physical damage into said element so you want to have a higher throughput with physical damage into the skill so that you have a higher output
but yeah was toying with comet, and hence the question
I see
due to the mana cost, and im running MoM so want to be careful
Mind Over Matter
thanks
keypassive
and because there's no local percentage increase lightning damage on weapons you want to scale physical damage most of the time
Can anyone explain to me what counts as "using" a skill for the purposes of Energy Barrier/Wind Wave/etc?
you can cast on crit with some low mana spell
I assume it means during the actual casting animation? But you can attach it to skills that have no cast time, like Wind Dancer
Any witches in here that I can ask some questions to?
i js founda. staff recently with 31 - 72 phys damage and 7-12 fire damage with a 83% increse to phys damage. would this be better than my lghtning damage staff that doesnt have any %boost modifiers?
Hi, Anyone willing to hop on a vc and look at my passive tree build plan. New and want some simple advice if anyone can.
post a screenshot of both
im at school rn 😭
It's currently flat 170, so 40% would add 68 physical damage. So 238 physical or 166.6 lightning I guess, versus 159, so after mathing found out Physical damage would be better..
so it's probably going to be whatever weapon has the higher attack damage value and then attack speed is an additionally helpful because it'll decrease the animation time on the attack that's pretty much all you need to know
Does withered aura stack or something ? Because a 5% increase to chaos dmg taken for 30 spirit cost sucks. Or how can i scale this effect ??
the phys based one does have a faster base attack speed and im pretty sure more base damage without any runes
If a weapon says "X% increased damage" and doesn't specify further, that means the increased damage is local. It makes the weapon better, but that increase is shown in the damage stats already, and it doesn't affect anything not using the weapon
does cruel mode gives more stun resistance to enemies? suddenly i cannot build up primed for stun with my leap (titan warrior specced heavily into stun), on the other hand my basic attack (mace strike) builds up so much stun that mobs instantly primed for stun. i dont understand what changed
If anyone here's acquainted with elemental invocation, how do socketed mark spells work? For example freezing mark/sniper's mark/voltaic mark. Which enemy do they apply to, and will the skill make you dash automatically to them?
interesting thanks
so when im adding runes to a staff, should i add the ones that increase my phys damage or add lightning damage on top of phys?
Because the runes are part of the weapon, a weapon with % increased phys should increase the damage of physical runes you add, too. I think.
is there any build planner type situation available for PoE2?
most likely the physical percentage
Whether that's better than elemental runes depends on your build- but the phys is probably better
so what im getting is regardless of build, phys weapons are ususally the play?
hey peeps, question. I'm running an lightning archer build so far (lvl 15). I got Orb of storms cause it says it fires when using lightning skills. But i'm unsure if that means my bow skills with lightning tag will proc the extra chain. and if so, do i have to be inside the orb? does my ability has to go through the orb? I'm confused. It doesn't seem to proc the bolt with my skills. It does trigger with my lightning rod, but mor elike the orb triggers the rods
Magic find here i come
Oooff, yeah just tested cast on shock with comet..... that chews up your mana
bro maxed out his luck stat
does increased fire damage affect my minions?
any way to have multiple curses with witch?
anyone tried mantra of destruction into bell combo on monk? does it actually works?
is it possible to go glass cannon build but then respec a little bit/level up and then go a little bit more defense as needed? or not possible
big money
if it still works like it did in poe1 stun threshold is based off your max life value so as monsters have more HP they become more resistant to stun
Seems like I got so much accuracy that I got 100% chance to hit any skill, but grenades explode so I'm unsure if its needed to have accuracy
does hexblast work on blasphemy supported curses?
the chance to hit on your character sheet is an estimation based on what level you are the higher level you get the more evasion rating that mobs have and the higher accuracy values that you need
And you are sure that counts for the explosion/gas of the grenades as well?
Hey all. I'm wondering how precent added as, and conversion, will interact.
If I have a staff that says 16% added as extra lightning, and call of the brotherhood converts 100% of lightning to cold, am I doing any lightning damage? Or does the added extra also get converted?
whats the best way to keep your mana up? I use tempest furry as monk and it drains my mana like crazy and i be popping these flasks like water
if it has a chance to hit on your character sheet at all then it should but I'm not 100% sure cuz it's new
Maxroll.gg has a build planner for poe 2
How do I meet the reqs?
I would say the best part about poe2 is that spark no longer gives me eye cancer
Thank you, makes total sense now you say it! Cheers!
"when you use" still means active skill use right, same as poe1?
get more ascendancy points
ascendancy's dont use normal passive points, you get them seperately and you dont have anymore
is it really better to take a +2 skill on amulet? my amulet right now is the unique with +1 limit so I get an extra totem out
ah ok thanks guys, so more trials I guess?
if it works like it did in path of exile one then yes but test it and let me know
yes
What is better elemental storm or going for double shock with inc shock magnitude?
looks like it works really good actually.
is it possible to go glass cannon build but then respec a little bit/level up and then go a little bit more defense as needed? or not possible
Does cold play off of lightning? If I have a lightning staff and put cold rune on it, does it help?
how does this converted damage work with lighting/cold infusion
if anyone has gotten access to three dragons, does it prevent skills like flame wall from igniting
since SRS autosummons were nerfed, was lookin at blasphemy + big aoe, which would then be used by hexblast automatically on minion death
does this enhance ice damage?
i got another gear piece with 9% more rarity. im actually lucky af rn wtf
yes, i use this all the time with ice walls, it adds 50%+ lightning damage to the listed cold damage
so if you do 100 cold damage, it now makes the total 150, with a split of 100 cold and 50 lightning
same with basically every spell, its a good buff, and it makes you fly :D
is there a build for Invoker that plays around elemental expression ?
POE 2 IS TO HARD THEY SAID
in terms of increases decreases more and less modifiers to damage the tags are carried over from conversion so in this case if you use cold or lightning infusion you're getting the less % no matter what (assuming it works like poe1)
ranged build 😔
anyone that calls the game hard probably just has bad gear tbh
using giants blood for warrior, i am having issues equipting ANY 2h to my warrior now even though I meet all requirements for the 2h no matter which ones I pick up. I do have a 2h already equipped originally and it allows me to continue using it but if I look at ANY other 2h it tells me I am not poweful enough. Am I missing something here?
so its a lose lose
correct
sharing is caring 😅
test and see tho
tought as much
i understand that, but i don't understand then why does my basic mace strike instant prime for stun? I use ruthless support gem with mace strike but that says every fifth attack should cause 500% more stun buildup and not every single hit. It feels like every mace strike has this 500%, and i tried with other skills and they did not primed for stun - atleast not instantly. Feels like mace strike and ruthless gem interaction is bugged
I have to look at all of the things going into it but it could just be that you're doing more damage with the skill or that it has an innately higher stun chance which is a thing on skills
omgggggg
I've still been enjoying slapping icewall on top of bosses and watching them self destruct... not sure if it was supposed to be balanced like that but hey, that's nice
yea i do 1,8k with mace strike and 1k with leap, could be that you are right
dang that's nice
never playing grenades
yes this effectively gives extra lightning damage to all spells cast within it obviously you don't get the chaining though
how do you find items with that high phys? what act and level are you
stun chance is also affected by damage so that makes sense
lvl 60 in act 3. I got two lucky phys mod, look I got it white and crafted all the way
that is pretty nnuts
it's like a Phys mod + hybrid phys and accuracy
I have a stupid question because I just realized I don't actually understand how conversion works now; if you use a weapon skill that converts phys to elemental, that means only elemental modifiers apply, and phys modifiers do not. Does that include % Increased Phys and/or Added Phys on the weapon itself? Or, because they're local modifiers, do they get applied before conversion?
leap slam enjoyer over here
whys there no healer class
imagine if the phys rolls were a higher tier tho
wait how does crafting work? sorry to ask you
nice, sadly I never managed to make the build I wanted work, volcanic fissure stampede
crafting is just you using orbs on an item
it's very rng, you just use a currency to add a mod
What’s better contagion or bone?
where do you do it?
no like I said above anytime there's conversion the damage type tags retain in the final calculation so if you convert physical damage to fire both physical and fire damage increases will work
Whats the point of ancestral spirits? They seem useless
in the shop with random items, is there a chance for it to sell you a unique?
hey guys just started a witch with the goal of being a bloodmage , any advice would be welcome
inventory
oh....
@limber mistanywhere, you use different type of currency on item
Spell leech node is bugged and not working so be aware
oh those i see
and also the local percentage affix on your weapon only affects the throughput damage of an attack it does not factor into final damage calculations if that makes sense
roger , ty!
you disenchant rare to get regal orb shard
wait is act 3 rlly long bc how ru level 60 in act 3. I js started act 3 and im level 33
crafting refers to any orbs you use on an item to get more mods or make it better
sorry I meant act 3 cruel so it's like act 6
you replay act 1 - 3 after playing through it the first time
ohhh is that like where you restart?
yeah alr
But they changed it from PoE 1, global modifiers to phys damage ie from passives no longer increase converted damage
What link shortener can I use that won't time me out here?
oh? i have to relearn conversion too? lmfao
thanks
ill read up on it then
I can attest though that new energy shield to mana conversion makes mana tanking extremely strong with that arcane surge scaled with max mana ascendancy
im currently using staff on ss 1, but i just got and upgraded quaterstaff on ss 2. im mostly building thru electricity skills. which one is better?
mana = speed, damage, and tank, what more could you want
what matter is the base of item, items have a base so when you level up you can find higher level bases and could try to craft them see if yo uare lucky, I used augment on every mace that got this exact base because it's the best one to me atm
That's what I was trying to do lmao. Google is useless nowadays with all the stuff at the top of the results being AI slop pages. I think one was from a RMT website
martial weapon have higher phys dps as a base and any phys mod will multiply it or add to it
armour have more defences
and caster weapon I don't think it matter what base you use
🤔
okay so I read the tool tip of conversion and based on the wording it depends on how much is converted from the attack so if you say have a hundred throughput into an attack and it does 100% attack damage then you take that $100 and 60% is converted to fire then you have 60 fire damage. and 40 physical damage. that 40 portion is only affected by increases the physical and that 60 portion is only affected by increases the fire
the legionare ascendancy that gives you double support gems is that for all or jsut 1 instance
If I use blood magic what happends to you mana regeneration nodes? Is the regeneration just applied to my health instead?
i think its really funny that voice to text gave me a $ on the 100 lol
it does not
how do ranger and merc compare as ranged damage dealers ?
So local mods should still work as normal, it's just that every step after that gets weird?
Oh so the mana regeneration is just wasted then. Thanks
unless stated so, it doesnt
local mods are not affected by the conversion because the local mod only affects the actual damage number on your weapon and then that number is used by the attack damage percentage number of the attack skill
which is what i like to call the throughput
Gotcha. Was never 100% sure how local mods actually worked in 1, just that they were. Y'know. Local
but thats not official terminology
basically imagine that your weapon tooltip is its own mini character sheet and that damage number at the top is the final calculation and then that final calculation is taken into account for the percentage of attack damage that you do into an attack
do you know an efficient way to get the item to add runes. i feel like using armors that already have a rune spot to get one fragment out of ten is super slow
is there anywhere I can see the list of the soul cores ?
They can drop separately, like all currency. The fastest way to get more is probably the market, but then you have to deal with the market
check mlerchant every level up, there you may find already crafted gear, gear with socket to destroy, good bases to try your luck. If you are struggling against a boss maybe you could check the merchant for higher base of flasks etc...
2 socket = 2 shards
they actually made conversion a lot simpler it seems
thats good
was overly complicated before
market as in merchants?
Naw I mean other players. Though I'm not sure you can use the normal market for currency anymore, it might be locked behind the late game currency exchange
doesn't it mean that you can't use conversion skill unless you fully convert them ?
maybe because of the update or me being in the sixth act but I'm getting way more loot, things get better
so based on the conversation that plaidstone and I just had I'm correcting my answer to say that modifiers to the final damage type only matter so in the case of call of the brotherhood you'd want to use cold infusion
thats 4 acts away T_T
what do you mean
at this point ima go around begging for a level 11 uncut skill gem and rune attachers screw me
It means you have to be way more careful with skills that convert damage, because partial conversion can hurt your damage... And I don't think there's any items in the game with physical conversion right now. Not even uniques, afaik
if you got a 50% phys 50% fire, you said phys only affect the phys and fire only the fire so you get crappy scaling
while I thought that you get more phys => more phys and more fire
thats how it worked in poe1
you learn something new everyday

Full conversion scales fully with lightning, no awkward split
so you can't have a build with a conversion to lightning and then to cold
like no combo
only one element
you don't play around with others
Also, damage increases that don't specify phys or an element will work fully regardless of conversion... Assuming you're meeting the other conditions (ie attack for attack damage, spell for spell damage)
not sure how the order works now so im not gunna answer cause this is all different lol
Multiple elements are actually not that bad if you have easy access to increased elemental damage nodes
when do you start getting level 11 skill gems?
I meant like using a lightning skill then a cold one
it doesnt specify conversion order in the tooltip
Which is better to invest elemental storm or shocking twice an enemy?
ah yea
is there a healing class in poe?
no, no real support
that sucks
idk about that, who uses those
I don't think there's any skill that directly heals besides maybe Vitality, which is a support gem
you could always have some unique and make unique build x)
guys how do you get nodes for ascendancy tree
i cant choose my ascendancy 😛 i mean i dont know what to choos e:p
is there healing stuff in poe to create a healing build? idk much about how poe works
Complete the trial that unlocks it, then just allocate the skills. You get 2 for the first trial, then there's extra trials later in the game for 3-4 and 5-6
okidoki thx
I see
that's actually pretty cool unique
but that sounds itneresting if its possible
for minions
it would be cool having someone who can do that
Anyone playing pure phys xbow?
eventually there wil be a thing called "Link" spells in the game which attach two players together and give buffs and support type bonuses but it is not in early access as of now
it was in poe1
yyou need big damage for leech so it kinda sucks
but I can see it, like you play with your friend and just put this
does hand of chayula bypass the 1 mark per target restriction?
is there minion dmg as your own dmg % scaling anywhere
dont remember the name of the node from poe1
there is an unique
a 2 hand mace
they really need to make unique weapon scale with your level, those unique weapon are ridiculously bad
ok, ty
nothing bypasses mark or curse restrictions aside from increasing the limit
im struggling with boss damage as a cast on freeze stormweaver, any tips?
Hey, if I'm playing sorc, planning to go pure spells - is there any reason to choose stats different than +5INT on nodes?
try to weave more storm
Poison Ranger Skill Tree?
xD
Hey, complete beginner here - playing a pathfinder Ranger trying to go for poison build. Found a quiver with "increased damage to bow skills" - does that apply to the poison damage of gas arrow or toxic growth as well?
I don't know, I play warrior
in the case of different curse application, it would override whatever curse or mark was on the target before
what do orbs of chance do?
what skills have a cooldown that make chronomancer worth taking, other than hammer of the gods?
I was theory crafting one earlier but I don't have a skill tree yet but I'll let you know if you want when I'm done with it probably like later this week or something
you can put hourglass on any abilities, it adds cd and give you more damage, another gems add 6s cd and give like 50% more area or something
ill add you on discord whenever youre done minmaxing it please dm me
np
fair enough
blasphomy is JOKES
with spell cascade and more area, some ability may overlap
needs a lot of curse area
I was considering doing a quarterstaff chronomancer because tempest bell is quite fun but feeling squishy, but other than the big slow / recoup not sure what to take
Is berserk any good?
vulnerability, clarity and energy barrier
temporal rift
its insanely strong
Guys, am I being silly here or, doesnt the level of the weapon matter at all, as long as its got the stats you want? Eg. a lvl 1 scepter will make the same spelldmg as a lvl 15 scepter if theyre both normal without stats?
yeah I could see that with bosses being more of a war of attrition
not if it comes with a spell
ennemies slowed is good
like scepter skeletons wont be the same as your skill ones
problem with temporal rift side is you have to take the conditional 50% cast speed node which does nothing for melee chrono
oh no wait, im reading it wrong
but @patent vault you can get certain buffs that improve spell lvls by one or two
so yeah. temporal rift, aoe slow, and recoup. full tank
for example
True enough, but that will only affect THAT particular spell right? It wont increase dmg of all my other spells ? Isnt that a weird decision vs. how its usually been where wands has 1-4 dmg and so on?
wait energy barrier works on auras?
anyone tried making invoker bow monk?
is it possible to go glass cannon build but then respec a little bit/level up and then go a little bit more defense as needed? or not possible
yep
lol tf
i thought it was just for channeling shit thats sick
yeah for sure
vulnerability is chaneling 🙂
😉
yeah, but that wand at lvl 20 with the same stats wouldnt increase other spells dmg, right?
endless cycle
does it actually work though
no
cause decaying hex doesn't in blasphemy
Like, weapons with skills has NO damage stats for other spells ? Isnt that weird?
oh nice ty for positive response, also do u think its bad idea to max everything aoe and damage related to comet? cuz i want to make comet a giant nuke where i can just wipe everything with 1-2 comet
your spells are single to there DPS
that wand stats buff everything it says
that spell it gives doesnt lvl up
im struggling with boss damage as a cast on freeze stormweaver, any tips?
usually spells are affected by the weapons dmg. Interesting design choice.
why is fireflower so expensive?
not here
weapon dmg only affects attacks
only the spell it grants you is
try to look on youtube, lot of ppl do something similar to you, you can check what they do and compare
this aint d3 
we don't really know your build
@dawn bronzemaybe you have some bads gems that screw you over, I couldn't know but don't tell me I'm playing warrior xD
but it only affects the spells it gives me for free
yeah, I get that. Its just weird thinking I might as well use a perfect rare lvl 3 scepter with perfect stats (but rolled lower) vs. a mediocer lvl 20 one.
it depends if youre using the skill or not
Usually the higher lvl wep increses ALL spell dmg in most other games 🙂
thats right
Im kinda baffled by this. Even though it makes things easier. lol
like it genuinly depends what stats it gives you
it would be a bit different for armour and physiscal weapon
cant be having lvl 3 skeletons running aropund
thing is my lvl 3 scepter has 135 spirit and +1 to minion skills, which is fking handy even at lvl 19
FUCK YES
thats hot like
dont change that sceptor at all
Anyone know if Gas Arrow only poisons one time? Or will it stacks poisons if my cap is highe than 1?
only the highest tick lasts. You cant stack multiple, if I remember correctly
Man my monk feels so squishy even with boosted energy shields off the passive tree and decent armour
my minions be OP
Think ya might be thinking of ignite. You can do multiple poison stacks off of tree and pathfinder ascendency.
DAAAMN that armour. Is the +spirit only for that unique? Or is it a normal chest stat? insane
ah sorry, I meant without extra modifiers. but yeah
think its only for that unique
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/e650i032 playing around with elemental invoker bow monk on the tree if anyone has any suggestions?
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but idk
my god I had my gems in the punch things, no wonder my auto attack felt bad
damn. +100 is insane lol
Is stun threshold important for a witch? I pathed through a bunch of nodes with it and want to respec, but it will bankrupt me. Scared I'll spec out of it then find it was keeping me alive. 🤔
cooks your mana tho @patent vault
it does?
do you get stunned/flinched ?
spirit is an affix on magic and rare body armors as well, i think the highest tier goes up to like 61
prefix specifically
No, but I have the talents for it right now. I don't know if it will happen after I spec out of it. 🤔
Anyone here who's gone with a grenade build witch hunter?
If so, which 3rd and 4th ascendancy did you go,
Can't decide as they all seem pretty bad :/
it's probably useful but you can always checks respec cost just gold
if you don't get stun you don't need
if you do, you need
good night everyone i have a little problem with my build and i cant find a solution, i got "Cast in Ignite" for my infernalist that asking for 60 spirit and i got 130 but it still not working properly and saying that i dont have enough spirit.
Has anybody found a way to get physical damage converted to lightning?
damn
Yeah, it's just going to bankrupt me...was kind of hoping somebody else who hasn't invested in it could tell me if they get stunned on ranged characters. It's sadly not easy to switch big parts of the tree back/forth.
man i like my chrono but it sucks seeing my friend dealing way more dmg on stormweaver when were both spark lol
anyone recomend a build thats not a cold chrono?
you're cooler though.
true
chrono 1 shotter going well (still act3 cruel) but ye
nice lmao
for sorc staff is +2 levels to all spell skills a good modifier and would it be good to upgrade to rare with a regal orb?
can you upgrade items to your current level? say from 16 to level 32?
is that cold archmage?
considered going that but spark seemed fun but rn im dealing jack shit it feels lol
Guys, as sorc, which buff would be your second lvl 1? Raging spirits was my first. Mana remnants or arctic?
cool
guys i wanna buy an item its sayin 0.5 exalted orb, so how should i give .5 exalted?
yup, lvl 2 support
are gems something you can just go for? or is it all rng
might try and make melee monk chrono or smth
get mana remnants
it has mana regeneration on it, so it's good to have it once you unlock support gem for it
I was lucky to get a 2nd one in act 2 alrdy lol
Is hexblast/impending doom a viable build as blood witch?
so its all rng?
or can u farm for it
feel like its the better choice yeah. Arctic dmg doesnt seem very good
rng
i think i found a datamined unique affix that was 80% phys to lightning but i dont think its in the game rn
why isnt there a way to farm for it
couldnt find the unique itself tho
I see, just kinda sucks cuz a lot of skills don't fully convert so it's ??? to invest in the elemental damage
yeah could remake a char and kill mist guy again tho. Kinda easy farm.
can you add sockets to corrupted items or socket runes in if they already have sockets?
bruh im not remaking a char to do that
ther ehas to be a way to get it
buyable on market?
thats probably the easiest farm 😛
yeah im sure itll be more accessible as time goes on
they just drop off any mob
does life thief on minions heal you, or heal the minion?
so its high chance to get it right
your talking about skill gems?
yea cast on freeze
I dont think buff skill gems drop very often. and cast on freeze is lvl 2 support gem
so maybe in later lvls
i feel like theres no way this game locks u out of the support gem if u dont get it first try killing some boss
just keep playing they drop at higher rates later
cast on freeze is a spirit gem, not a support gem
lv2 spirit gems drop randomly later in the game
yeah I was talking about buff/spirit gems
oh no
fck sorry.
is chaos mainly paired with skeleton minions?
Man im so depressed seeing jack shit online on chrono builds other than cold xd
mb
Keep on playing and you will get it. Eventually you get more gems than you can realistically use
are there any mana passive traits interaction with the infernalist demon flame mechanic?
thanks
thx
Hi
do you think there is a way toi make stampede work ?
I have no clue
I just have my skills that I use.
Yo what are the meta ways to get power charges for flicker
In my experience it is really easy to make the warrior do good damage, so I doubt its that bad.
Do low level uniques also drop at higher levels with adjusted stats?
remember I couldn't even clear trash with it 😅
got a beast weapon
I'm clearing trash packs with a 0 damage link earthquake so theres no way it does THAT bad of damage. Probably have to get damage from elsewhere. Are you using infernal cry + endurance charges?
no they stay the same affix roll ranges but their ilvl goes up (which doesnt affect anything in poe2 from what i can tell atm)
it may affect something but not important now
how are you generating end charges?
Dang so my level 2 unique Sorc staff won't get any better late game. That's a bummer
Endurance charge support +break armor on stun on earthquake. Gives you 20% chance to get a charge on stunning.
if I do pure lightning damage, it doesn't get blocked by armor on other enemies right?
I dont remember what the supports are called thats just what they do
ah yea im trying to be able to run that on rolling slam
I saw someone doing a TON of damage with contagion, what do I need to make it good? Currently it does so little DoT that I can barely see it moving
oh you mean like the weapon skill from the base type?
that level might go up
but the unique affixes stay the same
any1 has an idea if this is worth anything?
sir this is a build planning channel
where do i ask that question then lol
put it in a dump tab bro
Its probably not worth anything.
Is increased phy damage better or add
what does mtx mean
thats what i wanted to know, thaanks
Maybe an exalt for someone as leveling gear
put it in a public dump tab for an exalt, if you get spammed by whispers for it, you know you've put it too low
I need a skill that does a lot of hits to trigger this on crit effect, any ideas?
Daze buildup seems pretty undwelming
other than that, start looking up similar stats on a one handed mace on the trade website & see the prices they end up with
i sent you an invite on discord to a server more made for trading and price checking
what runes do we think for this ? I got 2 slots. Either double res or I was thinking double percentage evasion increase which is like 20% per rune
lmfao mods
Id say resistance. Getting res capped is very important
Ughhhh my buddy disregarded our warnings and built and early game tank with no damage. No hes mid game and road blocked. He cant kill a thing. Pissed at the devolopers he is but truth is its his fault. Unless they add some better early game skills for a tank player.
does cold resistance reduce the chances of getting frozen ?
😭 as you can see it's pretty low
Indirectly yes
culling strikes is so good
technically yes because its based on the dmg
let me rephrase
does the buildup of being frozen get reduced
based on the amount of cold res I have
I wouldnt pay attention to skill sheet damage. Very unreliable.
again technically yes because its based on the damage
lol
ye sorry was thinking it was the same thing but nvm I am just lacking understanding

ty
it doesnt affect the buildup portion of the calculation after the dmg though
if that helps
Id say your best bet is link up infernal cry with damage supports and get rage gen
at res cap youd want to have elemental ailment threshold to mitigate that
is the long answer lol
Freeze buildup is based off the damage you take, so if you take 1000 cold damage with 50 cold res, you will take 500 cold damage and it will build up your freeze accordingly. If you have 75 res, you will take 250 cold damage, which will also half the amount of freeze buildup your taking
IMO put in a cannot be frozen charm and ignore the mechanic cuz its hars to build around without immunity to it.
If only we had more than 1 charm slot sadge
@winged geyserlmao not joking, some white mobs they tank itand my weapon is cracked
I have yet to see a belt with more than 1 charm slot
What Store Stash Tab is the one with the Blue Gem as a symbol. First i thought it would be obviously the Gem Tab, but it's simply an empty Container.
maybe it's just inconsistent
Your weapon def could be a lot better. The phys damage roll on it is low. Also get infernal cry and link it up. Its effectively 2-3x damage multiplier on every attack.
👍
You can 100% make any warrior skill do very good damage.
Hello
Where do you advice to check passive tree builds?
Coz IDK
Im a mercenary, lv 12 only
its an affix apparently
Wtf gross
+1 and +2
if I could find a way to put more jagged ground it would be nice
different tiers
You shouldnt need more jagged ground.
Stampede with infernal cry and 1 or 2 damage links should be enough to murder trash packs
is shield charge a skill or a specific shield base =?
I think you're right and that is pain
sometimes it does, most time it doesn't unless I proc some aftershock, I hope I can make it work
my dream was volcanic fissure and stampede like in the video
hello guys, is the physical damage can be converted in elemental or it's not like this anymore ?
It sounds to me like you arent scaling your damage very well. You should be able to kill trash with basically any warrior skill.
It might not be great but it should do enough to 1 shot trash
is there a place people have posted there builds here?
Trash packs should be dying with almost no effort from warrior
I have no issue with any other abilities
There are probably some ways to do it aside from skill gems but it's very rare. Not something you xan build around without having a sourxe for it first
that's my tree
Is the SRS nerf live yet? Im still spawning skulls with my fire wall just fine
i think it aint
Rage would be a lot of damage for you.
SRS nerf is live, if you weren't doing specific abuse cases then you likely won't notice much
got 6 rage each time I get hit
General tree seems fine though. Prob just need infernal cry
From what? A rage gem?
"if you have been hit before"
Me while waiting boss and hoping not to get 1 shot.
I guess that works, kinda inconsistent though
since I play warrior I can one shot bosses when stun them
got a quick question, went acolyte of chayula on my monk, got reality rending (bonus chance for bonus chaos damage on hit) doesn't say anything about applying to the skills I use, is it working and just not showing?
i'm loving the burst so far, but when i took this, i didn't realized how squishy i was
it was hilarious
😂
I keep dying while trying to slam
to packs
😭
so I RUSHED attack speed
i was like "ok i'm ready to get that extra atk speed"
2 seconds later "resurrect at the nearest checkpoints"
Is SRS still worth it after the Nerf?
this not being connected is killing me
just another 4-6 travel points (if you include the 30% ignite chance two nodes) ... tough
yes
They only nerf the grim part where u get unlimited refersh on energy shield
otherwise, it's still viable


