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[livid hamlet]

Or you gain something else then Extra damage

[modern tangle]

Example item bases:

Sacrificial Mantle
lvl ?75?, 86 str/int
283 arm, 84 ES

Wayfarer Jacket
lvl 70, 86 dex/int
223 eva, 84 ES
```the lvl reqs are not reliable since the modifiers may have raised them.

[dry quiver]

Alright thank you, I guess we'll just have to wait

[thorny path]

If nothing else changes, then it does work the same way for damage as extra

[livid hamlet]

Increases to damage would apply either before the extra damage is calculated , in which case your increases to cold damage would impact your Extra Chaos damage gained from cold skills

Or they would apply after in which case increases to cold damage wouldsn't apply to extra damage gained from cold skills

but increases to chaos damage would

I myself think it will probably be the former since it's a bit more streamline with Extra Damage just being bagged on top of the final calculation

as one of the last hit calculations

but unless we hear from GGG specifically we can't say for sure

[thorny path]

damage as extra is applied before increase/more in poe1

so until we hear otherwise, that's the default

[livid hamlet]

it won't work as damage as extra probably

It's why Extra Damage is capitalized

which means it';s a whole new separate thing

and they said they abandoned the conversion chain

[proven quest]

Good to know. The level difference might bring the values a little closer, but it does look like armour numbers are a little higher. Which is kind of weird to me

[livid hamlet]

for example gain damage as extra applied to all underlying damage types

which doesn't happen to extra damage

so increases to phys in phys to cold skill when you gain Extra Chaos damage

won't work

[modern tangle]

Not sure what the benefit of changing the scale is but expecting evasion/accuracy formula to take it into account anyway.

[thorny path]

poe1 extra damage is capitalized too

[livid hamlet]

oh that's true

[dusty bear]

is this current arctic armour or is it the one in poe2db?

[modern tangle]

The one that only deals damage without reducing dmg taken is newer.

[thorny path]

This isn't really relevant except that most Damage as extra looks at all damage now instead of one specific type (Herald of Ash looking only at phys damage in poe1)

[livid hamlet]

still considering they made it so increases to damage apply only after conversion

[dusty bear]

lmao so it's useless gotcha

[modern tangle]

Probably used too widely by everyone. 😉
It does seem quite niche now.

[livid hamlet]

i would expect extra damage to also possibly be changed

[dusty bear]

i mean yeah i'd figure so, so far there isn't a single defensive buff

[livid hamlet]

it's very relevant

[thorny path]

This one is definitely outdated, poe2db one is newer but probably also outdated

[eternal glen]

Hi im completely new to POE, does anyone have a link to a minion build that I can follow? level up tree was really overwelming for me in poe 1

[livid hamlet]

because you could gain extra from every step of the conversion chain

[modern tangle]

There are many spirit gems we never got the tooltips of. They are not looking to repeat Grace/Determination though.

[livid hamlet]

that was the whole point of eternity shroud builds

[fast slate]

download not out yet for pc?

[snow sierra]

There is no build you can follow for poe2

[thorny path]

Like I said damage as extra is a conversion effect, this new rule applies to it

[dusty bear]

rip my boy armour stacker

[dry quiver]

I'm probably coping here but I like to believe "as extra" means it will consider the full damage dealt of the original element and deal it as x% (potentially increased by modifiers on the new type ?) While "gain x% damage as" (without mentionning as extra) would only consider the base damage.
In any case I have to say this is pretty confusing

[modern tangle]

A multiplier that helps you specialize is possible, just not big flat number.

[thorny path]

Abandoning the conversion chain opened up letting damage as extra apply to all damage vs just one damage type. It would be absolutely bonkers to let it apply after increased/more multipliers

[livid hamlet]

yeah we are speculating about pretty in depth mechanics of a game which we can't even predownload yet

[thorny path]

It would be even more free than it is in poe1

[livid hamlet]

so it's really hard to say what it will be and what possible impacts it will have

[livid hamlet]

Why ? It would just mean getting Extra Damage of the element you are not specced for

[frail jay]

[livid hamlet]

isn't useless

as extra damage was super free in PoE1 because of the conversion chain

so you could get like 400% of total damage as extra chaos

[dusty bear]

guys don't forget that all the info we have comes from different times

[thorny path]

yeah you're not specced for it but it still scales since your increased/more mods already applied. So there's no downside to not speccing into the damage type

[dusty bear]

so it's also possible they just started with one wording and changed to the other after but not all our info is using the most recent wording

[thorny path]

You shouldn't be dealing a ton of fire damage with only investment in phys

[livid hamlet]

You're not getting a ton tho

[dry quiver]

It's true but otherwise it would end up being relatively weak IMO

[livid hamlet]

you seem to get around 20% per ascendancy point

which is in line with what we can expect

it's not easily available

[dusty bear]

herald of ash gives 15% tho

so he's got a point

[thorny path]

Titan has 20% more every other slam, 20% chance of double damage on slams, and 40% more on heavy stunned enemies

Those have actual requirements beyond the ascendancy points

[dry quiver]

An also damage specifically stating "as extra" is only found in very few places from what we could see, mostly ascendencies

[thorny path]

20% more damage on all attacks, no investment for an ascendancy is way stronger in this case

[modern tangle]

Did you just... put all ascendancy points into offense? 😁

[proven quest]

WTF, I didn't notice that aftershock is the same damage..... I assumed it was like 50%

[thorny path]

We're getting way more generic damage on tree to accomadate for all of this

[thorny path]

I'm giving examples of the damage an ascendancy can give

And comparing to the chayula monk damage as extra

[livid hamlet]

That's fair

We will have to see

[thorny path]

Only thing we can do

[modern tangle]

Ok. There was a thread that tried to summarize them here btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h6g31h/analyzing_some_offensive_ascendancy_nodes/

[rancid frost]

likelihood of hulking form nerf? wdyt team

[dry quiver]

You'd still be able to focus almost exclusively on attack damage and quarterstaff damage to be sure (?) to double dip

[proven quest]

I've been build planning a monk for like 2 weeks, and it's still going to be so hard not to click warrior on login

[dry quiver]

right ?

[livid hamlet]

8ball says YES

[rancid frost]

im thinking going minion warrior just for that node, but rip if endgame and gets nerfed into the ground

[hoary plover]

feels so weird trying to plan a tree with no life nodes

[pseudo bone]

I hope we can put the Sceptre in the main, weapon in the off. Or have complex weapon swap options. I'd like to go from Sceptre+Shield to Mace+Sceptre.

[proven quest]

I'm not convinced it'll get nerfed. For 4 ascendancy points it better be good

[modern tangle]

It's been confirmed that you can put sceptre in main. Or off-hand when main is full. Just not dual wield them.

[subtle lichen]

do we know if spell crit everytime for its whole duration if it crit in poe 2?

[livid hamlet]

I think people might underestimate the backpack QoL

we don't have 6 portals anymore

[fast slate]

if we live we do

[frail jay]

probably yes, the only thing confirmed to roll crit multiple times atm is rain of arrows, and I could see other stuff that consumes charges for extra hits doing the same like flicker

[livid hamlet]

no supposedly they done away with snapshotting

[livid hamlet]

wait really ? I thought you only go in once

oh that's nice

[proven quest]

Where did we see that?

[livid hamlet]

i saw someone here say it

[fast slate]

Nah it's just that you fail the map if you die

[dry quiver]

I think you can still use 6 portals to haul loot back and forth, but all of them disapear if you die

[livid hamlet]

[frail jay]

that's not snapshotting

[modern tangle]

Whether a skill rolls crit once for its duration, or once per hit, is something they adjust per skill.

[pseudo bone]

Yeah, but can you go Sceptre main, weapon off? So your weapon swap is between shield and weapon with 100% Sceptre uptime.

[livid hamlet]

Yeah snapshot is not the best word

[dusty bear]

any info on accuracy? is it gonna be a problem for melee skills or not really?

[rancid frost]

wait we can't dual weild scepters?

[modern tangle]

No you degenerate.

[rancid frost]

woah

confirmed?

[peak peak]

Sad

[modern tangle]

You just want MOAR MINIONS.

[rancid frost]

minion maxxing fr

[rancid frost]

actually opens up a lot more options tbh in terms of skills

was writing off a lot because couldn't use the required weapon without nuking a bunch of spirit

[modern tangle]

Now your mind is free.

how about... having a real weapon in main hand?

[rancid frost]

so much room for activities

[frail jay]

can't use sceptre with a crossbow

[modern tangle]

I said real weapon.

[rancid frost]

giants blood lets go

[proven quest]

is crossbow considered 2 handed?

[frail jay]

ya

[snow mist]

There a way (that we currently know of) to convert a portion of physical damage into Cold damage?

[proven quest]

Do you get a quiver/ bolt slot or something, or is it true 2 hand

[warped jackal]

You still have chonk with crossbow in mind?

[frail jay]

No, I was just saying if I did play chonk I would probably do crossbow or bow

Not that I will do that

[modern tangle]

There's a support gem for attacks that adds some, which is technically better though it might annoy perfectionists.

[frail jay]

My main plan is Invoker but I don't know if the setup works mechanically or if it has been nerfed so if that doesn't work I'll probably do warbringer or infernalist

[dusty bear]

do we know approx how many passive points we'll have?

[frail jay]

122

[dim lantern]

anyone has an idea if ballista will be a support gem or skill gem ?

[modern tangle]

We don't have the actual effect text for Herald of Ice

[dusty bear]

at 100 i guess?

[snow mist]

Do you think we will get a Hearld of Ice in later installments, closer to actual release?

[frail jay]

it's in EA

[frigid hill]

rly want to try ember fusillade but cant put together a reasonable build for it

[warped jackal]

Only 1 day to find out

[snow mist]

Oh really?

[modern tangle]

I'm expecting we get it tomorrow, we just don't 100% know what it does. 😐

[snow mist]

I'll consider it a win anyway. Thanks for the info.

[hoary plover]

weapon swap, my friend

[subtle lichen]

how does X damage gain as X damage work? example gain 20% damage as lightning, 100 fire gain as 20 lightning, then the lightning receive all the modification?

[proven quest]

What's your Invoker setup look like?

[modern tangle]

Discussion has happened twice within past 4 hours but end result is we don't know. 😁

[proven quest]

Was it the EI trigger build?

[subtle lichen]

gotcha

[hoary plover]

there are definitely some skill gems that are their own type of ballista. unsure if there is a support in EA but i would expect one eventually if not

[frail jay]

weapon swapping off sceptre doesn't let you reserve the spirit tho

[frail jay]

yes

[silent prawn]

but will return when swapped back

[frail jay]

ok but it doesn't matter if the point of the crossbow is to generate energy for meta gems reserved with the spirit

[sterile latch]

doesnt weapon swapping reset all your stored energy ?

[frail jay]

I doubt it, that would be really stupid

unless the skill gets unreserved because you swapped off something giving you spirit

[waxen stream]

Guys kind of a noob question here, but if I wanted to use chaos skills as a chayula monk in the future, do I need to keep that in mind at the start? I noticed there isn't many chaos skills at the start, so do I just use elemental ones until I get up?

[atomic halo]

if neccesary, yeah

if you know you're going to go chaos dont pick up too much ele dmg on the tree if just going to respec that

see what's avaliable at the gemcutting menu and adapt

[waxen stream]

Gotcha thank you.

[proven quest]

Also look for more generic damage nodes like attack damage or spell damage (depending on what type of chaos skill you're using) so that you can still get some damage before swapping

[frail jay]

Also very possible we willhave nodes like viper fang's or w/e that node is in poe1 that has phys and chaos together on the node

[rancid frost]

do we know if we can use unarmed strikes regardless of weapons equipped?

[proven quest]

Anyone interested in minion builds, check out GhazzyTV. He just posted a video on his starting plan, might be some good info

[frail jay]

I would assume no, otherwise everyone would just do whispers of doom palm of chayula

[devout dew]

for Invoker Monk is the Spells that shoot out projectile damage or no

[silent prawn]

most have quarterstaff in the gem

[dry quiver]

Yea same, I think I may respec later down if I go hardcore chaos on chayula monk. I should be feasible to balance ele damage by focusing on attack damage increases but this kinda closes the door on spells

[silent prawn]

on crit, yeah

[frail jay]

I think the cold one is?

[devout dew]

Kirvin wanna see my progress ? i might have a good grasp for Invoker Monk

[frail jay]

sure?

[devout dew]

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=invoker&p=ModhE4BpgDgFgKzRiAjNcAmdsYAZkA2TIw5BOZOGZAZjNlpxlQfxtC2hBg5AVqQAcpgHDMicYWbTk2ZKj4hKoVIOCEQBUHiShMIbnBKg4UU4dMERtEiLjaWJ%2BG0xkRFZCHXg8HcJLAAQwBlgEcqHh4IfwYYBgIUCLg5pHG0JGYqbp2TCFmyLxEhiJa4giW8NrgCNWsGHjqKJUgzuDumDB2bpQihD4IzLQ0IvAYkQ0qvJUwSW4cMBUZ4Ki9FZaoK3qbqBsrESvuFRzEjnAqaHqE19CaSCJ%2B4qvcjxqEV88atBei3InitEsIE03FiIjcdCmeEsmiBeBwrQuuyeMPa0ES6gQi2EinQQl2HAQsmACEG6MwJjgsgA0uZaAgTEwcExtLQ8HTztBRHo2ep6HzSdBvjysji8Cp6epjBxqJZqAxqHo4GohWjgLQakKeDjUDhlSplYzwJZhiNdQrddBldZUKLgHBWlasVbqFbbDj3faYJjdOj2eSkqw9AJg-V7dqSZ7riZCFFboFEjh1jiYAxNDHsTptIQurcyW91O8Y4pxNEnnjNmnUMGuCTHfj65hoTjlOiig3zKSGAzgxCvb1dsHYnWVO9CwFuLR1GBsyhbq2NBHCOBC8M8zCibdAbcQRpNnnRxBJ3plD8RhSTBAOnbeL0DGE2Rg4D5OUFvBh3uI58BdQ6MqsGF-bY1EEIQpzxb4km%2BHBfxUXVnTA4EMgMdRbQXW1OgyWwkgcOD6W2YZUOVVJARI-AsJYDIHBMVZfiEYx7mVGDjGsYwNlJCJEm0VhvgyHMYNabjlBGQY1nkH8wDgsAIn4GSCh-LptngODvRolhAK6I5agyFBuN4GDZj0lIdO-RQV2WX0hCJe4iVQ1MNkWCJFgM%2BhhAoJJSTU7SFPpEyjI040dM1H9fDxCoYN8PZbQso4yhCvA1InBTlx0gorOfHTPlxVJ8A08TFCnHTeJ8nKcx0wUfI2HgZOHVh5NYXMf3eDZCHSJq7TqgSVSalY%2BPfJqGWEWU%2Bt6MwZOK3YSys8U%2BNrOrtm8BbXIk7cVpE30JP3Jqjya-o%2BKpIbvVmiJ%2BhOwr6ManiSkVPjop-IlOIO%2BjN3u0Vnu2BlHu2Mxvs9VZ8wA0Dn2YiNVnM%2BjX2rRohvq59UPpXoNRI7rbXIsDiGEegILKn9MAmvHgPMn9Jv-JZifQpsaIkOC8dSAwqaJtQKUxzUwNTLCybUHG1FmLD%2BtWf0f2fODjFSZ9WL7VHUOwGnq2Qu6MPcQFuNxTG6KYEY2Q2XQIl1GC-AgiQMl0KCUb8QC0PRNram7Zt8Reh0pSYLVWWZ4A3FZZt1QcLlXibcxsG0JsVGwHBsBMbB1CbVD0MZo96LF7jlQ5lmsLgm5tqKvjOLsQJq1Q5cgA

lol sry for the text vomit

[frail jay]

??

[silent prawn]

should be this, no?

[frail jay]

you have 449 nodes allocated

[devout dew]

was trying to get a full build out

or i shouldnt do that

[frail jay]

At level 100 you'll have 122 points, I would make a plan with ~90 at most

[devout dew]

i see -- ill wait then to see what Mobalytics has

[modern tangle]

Eventually poe2 tree apps will also be unable to fit everything into one URL like poe1, so minifiers or pastebins will be needed and there will be peace in discord.

[nimble zinc]

Question: will we have to kill every boss to get all the bonus rewards on every character?

Or are those account bound eventually?

[frail jay]

as far as we know yes, although I'm hoping we'll be able to skip them in campaign and get the bonus from map versions later for alts

[bold raft]

They are character bound
So get used to killing all of em on every Character

[modern tangle]

Some people are convinced we can get them from map bosses later but I haven't been able to find original source.

[nimble zinc]

I hope this changes by the time we get into the League cycles. It will not be fun having to go kill every boss on the map on every character every league and will definitely stifle rerolling

[dry quiver]

Bro I think you should really not skip out of the stun resistance nodes early on. Monk will probably be pretty cool to play but I'd wager not that fun to get stunned all the time

[frail jay]

Well overleveling and then speedrunning the areas will probably be a thing, but movespeed is low and zones will be very large so it might just be a PITA yeah. I remember basically every streamer complaining LE campaign zones felt way too big to walk through and it felt really bad, getting the same vibes from PoE campaign zones

[tidal copper]

Giving how much people hate the campaign on PoE 1 I will hope they learnt not to make us suffer
But they have been trying their best to make the campaign fun instead of a way to bypass it

[nimble zinc]

My plan is to link Arctic Armor to all the freeze buildup supports so anybody who attacks me gets frozen

[tidal copper]

Who knows what the vision will be

[frail jay]

PoE2 campaign likely going to be far worse

[sterile latch]

yeah cuz LE was a walk in a park tbh

[tidal copper]

Definitely longer but size isn't everything guys!

[ancient geyser]

we will definitely suffer, but not from boredom-- i think the gameplay will be quite engaging even at lower lvls

[frail jay]

More repetitive doing the same 3 acts 2 times, way slower movement speed there's so much time just walking through empty screens at base movespeed. So many mandatory side objectives. Need to run it every time you want to try a new ascendance instead of being able to swap.

[nimble zinc]

I think having those bonuses be account bound and the bonus applies to every character you make in that league encourages more rerolling and replay potential

[dusty bear]

no way minion pact support works on ci right

it'd be the biggest damage support by far lul

[frail jay]

There's a good example from Alkaizer's gameplay where he's just walking through empry rooms for 40sec in one area

at base movespeed

it's SO SLOW

I really think they should add a movespeed buff out of combat

[ancient geyser]

it doesn't, because it takes into account your total maximum life, CI is only applied at the end of the calculations, you could have 2k real maximum life while having CI for example

[nimble zinc]

Like a sprint option

So you can run between mobs quicker

[dusty bear]

huh is this a new thing?

[frail jay]

just automatically apply it out of combat yeah

[nimble zinc]

But if you get hit you stun

[ancient geyser]

no it's always been like that in poe1

[frail jay]

It only matters for stun threshold right?

and I guess ailment

[dusty bear]

that's a weird tech i've never heard of tbh

[ancient geyser]

let me find the quote

[frail jay]

why would minion pact not work on CI?

[ancient geyser]

"The chance and duration of both being stunned and receiving an elemental status ailments is based on your base life before CI takes effect. Maximum Life modifiers such as increased maximum Life, reduced maximum Life, etc. apply to the life before CI is applied. Since this base life value is then overwritten by CI, the only advantage life modifiers provide to a CI character is the reduction on stun and status ailment."

[spring jackal]

Do you think lightning monk or giga stun titan will be more fun guys?

[modern tangle]

yes

[ancient geyser]

so because of how that calculation works, minion pact should take into account your real life value, as opposed to 1

[nimble zinc]

Interesting

[distant glade]

If I put comet in cast on freeze, can I then support that comet with gems in that slot?

[nimble zinc]

You should be able to yes

[distant glade]

Dope ty

[frail jay]

No?

[ancient geyser]

why would it be different than stun/ailment?

[frail jay]

It sounds like stun/ailment thresholds are specifically coded that way so you don't get get permastunned as CI, why would minion pact work that way?

Why would it work that way

[maiden karma]

Unarmed skills need either an empty hand or a quarterstaff

[ancient geyser]

Maximum Life modifiers such as increased maximum Life, reduced maximum Life, etc. apply to the life before CI is applied

because of this

[dusty bear]

yeah but this is for the purposes of ailments that's known

but things that just take your maximum life have never done that

[frail jay]

Minion Pact isn't a max life modifier....

[livid hamlet]

Unarmed won't be available right now

[dusty bear]

forbidden rite for example doesn't do your hidden maximum life as damage

[livid hamlet]

It will come later

[frail jay]

You do realize there are other things that work on a % of your maximum life and with CI that value counts as 1 right?

Like RF

[livid hamlet]

Like there will be some unarmed stuff but not supported well

[rancid frost]

what happens if you have no weapon in the slot then? doesn't count?

[frail jay]

Stun/Ailment threshold are coded so that you don't get super fucked with a threshold value of 1 damage

[distant glade]

Hand of chayula still seems good tho

[devout dew]

so for Frost Monk

[ancient geyser]

sure if it ends up working like RF, but minion pact + CI looks quite broken then

[frail jay]

but things that operate on your max life for CI count your max life as 1 otherwise

[devout dew]

for the 122 points what should i go after

[dusty bear]

yea that's my point

[livid hamlet]

Cold and crit

[distant glade]

We don’t have the full tree

[frail jay]

"quite broken" it just means CI gets 1 above average support if they have minions

[livid hamlet]

And whatever source of damage you will be using

[dusty bear]

it's 40% still right

[frail jay]

as far as we know

[dusty bear]

as long as it's above 30% it's pretty strong

below that and it's w/e

[livid hamlet]

So it will be different for spells and staff attacke

[frail jay]

I mean sure it's strong but not "broken"

spell echo on trigger builds looks like 100% more damage

[dusty bear]

spell echo on trigger builds?

wat

[frail jay]

you get a 2nd copy of the spell and you don't get the downside

[dusty bear]

damn

[frail jay]

the copy also gets 30% more AOE

[dusty bear]

and cost multiplier doesn't increase energy?

[frail jay]

doubt it

[dusty bear]

if it does then it's 50% more energy, but idk

[frail jay]

it'll be interesting if it does I guess

[dusty bear]

i think energy is based on cast time

wait energy is based on cast time

so it's still 30% less cast speed

so more energy

[bold raft]

I'm still curious on how supports work on trigger gems.
If they support the trigger gems
Or they support the gem socketed within the trigger gem

[frail jay]

energy is based on base cast time

[frigid hill]

p sure jonathan said meta gems dont cost extra energy with supports

[frail jay]

not after mods

[dusty bear]

hm yeah makes sense

[frigid hill]

the mana spent on the triggered spell does though

[modern tangle]

The first they showed off trigger was probably barrier invocation, comet, spell echo 😉

[dusty bear]

otherwise cast speed would be stupid

[frail jay]

exactly

[dusty bear]

then i guess my cold ignite build could use cast on freeze comet now that i think about it

[frail jay]

Comet is also balanced around having +1s to total cast time so triggering comet is very strong

[dusty bear]

idk how bad the energy cost will be though

i guess the +1s isn't base right

[frail jay]

it's not no

[nimble zinc]

I want to see a Facebreaker drop on my monk so I can play One Punch Man

[gloomy ice]

elemental invocation comet invoker LOGIN

[frail jay]

if it was base it would get reduced by cast speed

[dusty bear]

sick

then one freeze should trigger comet

[frail jay]

Yeah this is my leaguestarter lol

[dusty bear]

that's kinda... op

[gloomy ice]

same!

[dusty bear]

well you lose one socket so not really op but still

[nimble zinc]

I'm so excited to play with Ele Invocation

[modern tangle]

mind your mana though, you still pay the triggered cost

[frail jay]

Although I'm waiting to find out if elemental invocation is nerfed to only get energy once per skill or not

[gloomy ice]

yeah, thankfully i have to manually activate it, will also switch to caster weapon with it

[nimble zinc]

Remember weapon swap has a cast time

[frail jay]

definitely using inspiration support and taking the reduced mana cost nodes on tree

[cinder river]

Does inevitble critical make the cluster grenade always crit as you have a 10 second cooldown or how does this work?

[frail jay]

it only goes up to 200% increased crit max

[gloomy ice]

this support completely flew by me, def gonna use this too

[modern tangle]

nerfed to 100% recently, 25% per second

[cinder river]

But if you use this along ambush, arent you alwasy cirtting on first hit?

[frail jay]

if your crossbow has 10% crit chance it will give it +10% (after nerf I guess)

[nimble zinc]

It will triple your crit rate, but a lot of things have base crit rates of 12% or more so you can probably get it quite high and treat it like a cooldown skill

[frail jay]

100% more is just x2

so 10% crit wep, with 100% increased and 100% more is 40%

[devout dew]

i think i might have gotten it

[vivid meadow]

Unbound Avatar looks interesting

[devout dew]

put only 122 points into the build

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=infernalist&p=ModgbAnANKDMBMMQAZrEo9AOAjDMIs%2BWY%2BEeAcvMqejgKwz0SIU7hRsib07KfwcedPVJsItegBZWDSTSbIQMKYRU4pMWCE1tk-YLHoHYsWrGS6%2Bwoze1bkjYPDBFnQmBs3By%2BA8y1lQ1p4NHgnBk4g%2BiwmIJAg1xVYwzd4FJw0Pk80tyl%2BLk4cFNgw7w1ONwZvakxQ2ilRFR0mdOThKVUtfIcgsxKsK2oVZDzUEaGbLCczNDNZbOCbFC14OrADahTqMKMYcM2wWIosbYrneiDwmqwCiBqIOf1VmakbGSLkTDe86eSGrBBGQlJKGeivRh6bwWNLgpg4NzgtwoJyESFrTAEAwgBFAA

[frigid hill]

only

[proven quest]

Only planning for level 100

[devout dew]

well whats the max lvl for EA

[short rover]

100

[proven quest]

100

[devout dew]

ok then im set

[frail jay]

btw this is a prototype build I made #2┃build-planning message

[frigid hill]

based

[devout dew]

huh Sprout

[sterile latch]

just to be perfectly clear, it's 102 + 20pts you can spec elsewhere, or 122 in one spec right ?

[frail jay]

Getting to level 100 takes a WHILE and you should not plan for it

[dusty bear]

you put more than 122

[short rover]

reaching 100 is very very very endgame and not something you really plan around

[frail jay]

you should plan builds for the level 70-80 range at the start

[cinder river]

I never played POE1, but what should i expect my crit chance to be if i build into crit (not going too crazy but be one of the things i build for) are we talking 20% crit at endgame on my weapon so essentially i could have 60% crit chance or can i get to 40-50%?

[devout dew]

i put 122 points in

[dusty bear]

ah, no, i see what you did

nvm

[frail jay]

no clue, depends on build and they also said you should expect to get less crit in poe2 so we don't really know what it will be like

[short rover]

this is dependent on what you're critting with even, spells have a base crit chance, attacks use weapons (iirc)

[frail jay]

Poison Sunder for instance is probably 100% crit

[proven quest]

I’ve played almost 2k hours in poe1 and I have a single level 99 character and 0 level 100 characters. Just for reference

[frail jay]

same lol

[gloomy ice]

thank u, i was just about to ask if u had any setup with ele invocation

[frail jay]

Got a level 99 from heist and a few 97/98s

I play HC though otherwise I would probably have some 100s

[devout dew]

ok 1 question then - if i were to remove some points to then fit the ascendancy points in

[cinder river]

How many hours to get to 100? rough estimate? Thats cool to know, as D4 is my background and i know it was essentially a requirement ot hit 100

[modern tangle]

we've seen lvl 90 staff. Hopefully levels are slow only after that.

[devout dew]

to have the 122 points (including the ascendency)

[proven quest]

Ascendancy points are extra

[short rover]

ascendancy points are separate from the 122 passive points

[devout dew]

oh ok

[frail jay]

We don't know, in PoE1 98.2 is the halfway point to 100 or something IIRC

[proven quest]

It’s 122 passive skill points + 8 ascendency points. You get your ascendency points separately from leveling

[pseudo kayak]

Do we know if item filters are the same as poe1?

[cinder river]

I figured it would be 1 per level, where do the other 22 come from?

[short rover]

but like the other person was saying, plan your build around being functional with ~100-110 points allocated into the base tree, not 122. then those extra points if/when you get them are just cherries on top

[frail jay]

No filterblade for 2-4 weeks

[gloomy ice]

you taking unbound avatar with protect me from harm on the ascendancy tree?

[proven quest]

If it’s the same as poe1 there will be quests that grant points

[pseudo kayak]

That's gonna be god damn rough this next week

[main gate]

Just pick up everything bro

[frail jay]

probably not, seeing as my energy generator is incendiary shot and it always ignites so unbound would just be a 50% uptime damage boost. I'm taking the 35% more energy and probably chilled ground I think? Idk might change

[devout dew]

ok i adjusted it

how does it look now ?

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=infernalist&p=ModgbAnANKDMBMMQAZrEo9AOAjDMIs%2BWY%2BEeAcvMqejgKwz0SIU7hRsib07KfwcedPVJsItegBZWDSTSbIQMKYRU4pMWCE1tk-YLHoHYsWrGS6%2Bwoze1bkjYPDBFnQmBs3By%2BA8y1lQ1p4NHgnBk4g%2BiwmIJAg1xVYwzd4FJw0Pk80tyl%2BLk4cFNgw7w1ONwZvakxQ2ilRFR0mdOThKVUtfIcgsxKsK2oVZDzUEaGbLCczNDNZbOCbFC14OrADahTqMKMYcM2wWIosbYrneiDwmqwCiBqIOf1VmakbGSLkTDe86eSGrBBGQlJKGeivRh6bwWNLgpg4NzgtwoJyESFrTAEAwgBFAA

i included the Ascendency points

[frail jay]

bad

you generally want to get notables with as few small passives as possible

[nimble zinc]

There's not gonna be enough items to need a filter until you hit the endgame at the very least.

[frail jay]

you have a lot of wasted points

[devout dew]

ok what should i do then Kirvin

[nimble zinc]

Welcome to Anarchy league, everybody! We go back in time.

[frail jay]

also spell stuff doesn't do anything for minions

[devout dew]

wiped the board then

[nimble zinc]

Picking up six portals of yellows , bringing in stacks of wisdoms to ID everything. Good times.

[frail jay]

crit stuff also doesn't do anything for minions unless it says minion crit

basically if it doesn't say minion it doesnt work on minions

[vivid meadow]

What is electrocute?

[short rover]

idk if its just a visual bug with the site or what not but it also looks like you have every ascendancy point picked, just fyi in case - you only get 8 points total in there

[modern tangle]

lightning stun basically

[thorny path]

Lightning CC ailment like freeze and stun

[swift aspen]

anyone have sauce on dark effigy

[fast slate]

anyone going chayula monk? chonk? if so what skill

[short rover]

yeah probably and good question lol, probably whatever has a good base attack speed

tempest flurry maybe

[devout dew]

i dont have all of the Ascendency points

[short rover]

maybe the ice one

[snow mist]

How much recoup should a Person aim for to make Recoup worth it?

[vivid meadow]

Contagion + Essence drain

[devout dew]

only 4 and then the 8 that arent major points

[dry quiver]

Also btw guys do we have info on wether or not it's possible to stack a stun and a freeze on the same monster. Or more important can I build up stun on a frozen monster and vice versa ?

[vivid meadow]

I wanna try charged staff Invoker but dunno how to generate power charges properly D:

[frigid hill]

Recoup is over 8 seconds I heard, looks pretty bad unless ur chronomancer imo

[fast slate]

does ED even scale off of this?

[snow mist]

I am planning on going Chrono Recoup lawl.

[vivid meadow]

It does

[frail jay]

no

[frigid hill]

even then i just dont vibe with it as a source of recovery tbh

[frail jay]

?

[snow mist]

Oof.

[frail jay]

where did they confirm dot works with damage gained as

[vivid meadow]

Shouldn't it do that?

[static plinth]

We dont know. DoTs seem to be worded differently

[frigid hill]

dont let me stop you though

there might be recoup synergies we haven't seen yet

[vivid meadow]

I mean, Chonk seems to be the only one scaling chaos damage... would be sadge if it does not scale

[devout dew]

and plus if u look at my thing - none of my skills i put in have detrimental losses for minions - i have the fire spell bases boons and the minion boons all even

[fast slate]

that one does not specify it has to be a hit though. This one does.

[modern tangle]

I think they'll let attack/spell dots benefit from attack/spell increases because there are no known damage over time modifiers in the tree. That's speculation though.

[vivid meadow]

And.. running around while waiting for you dots do the work is like THE collector build 😄

[devout dew]

so Kirvin what exactly do u see that is becoming a hindrance to the build

[dusty bear]

Fellas, if I have the infernalist node that makes any damage ignite

[frigid hill]

ember fusillade

[short rover]

Charged Staff in the poe2skills site has the spell tag, i wonder if the added damage it does gets buffed by archmage then

[dusty bear]

and use a cold damage skill, do i scale cold damage or fire damage for ignite?

[vivid meadow]

👀

[dusty bear]

my understanding is i gotta scale cold?

[fast slate]

the coolest spell I've seen is the ember fusilade one. Idk what ascendancy to go for it though

[rancid frost]

i assume your biggest hit (regardless of cold etc) is used to calc ignite

[vivid meadow]

on Poe2DB it does not have the spell tag

[rancid frost]

with that ascendancy

[short rover]

im kinda guessing its a mistake on the site because why tf would charged staff be a spell

[dry quiver]

An idea would be to get Resonance keystone to convert frenzy charge gain into power and take the buff combat frenzy for frenzy (-> power) charge on freeze/eletrocute/pin and sniper's mark for frenzy charges on crit

[grizzled trout]

@silent glade Do you have any plans releasing official skill tree site before launch?

[frigid hill]

[modern tangle]

You get cold increases to buff the hit which will increase ignite base dmg thanks to the "all dmg contributes to magnitude" or whatever. You could additionally get ignite magnitude (effect of ignite) to increase ignite part of your dmg further.

[rancid frost]

this or power offering with some self reviving skele clerics

[vivid meadow]

There is also this harmony node that gives a 20% chance for power charge generation if you hit an enemy with shock while it is chilled

[dusty bear]

Right that's what i thought, whereas ignite itself doesn't benefit from %increased fire damage right?

[short rover]

oh yeah, not tag just category thing. Darn

[vivid meadow]

WAIT

if the category is spell

It is a spell

[short rover]

is it

i actually have no clue

lmao

[vivid meadow]

So it should work with Archmage

WAIT

[rancid frost]

trigger it

[vivid meadow]

Would Archmage increase the damage of charged staff?

[modern tangle]

That's right. Ignite would benefit from lowering fire resistance though, because base dmg comes from pre-mitigation dmg but enemy resistance matters while it's ticking. (penetration is only for hits)

[thorny path]

It applies a buff, it doesn't do damage, archmage doesn't work

[fast slate]

no that would be weird with

[vivid meadow]

it applies a buff that does damage

a lightning shockwave

[thorny path]

Not how archmage works

[vivid meadow]

Meh.

[short rover]

minor cook ruined sadge

[tender oasis]

god who do i flicker strike with

[vivid meadow]

Invoker

Hear me out

[proven quest]

Have we confirmed if corrupted blood stacks up to 10 times like poe1, or if it's a single stack?

[vivid meadow]

You use Bell

to make flickerstrike do AOE

[dusty bear]

yea that makes sense

thanks mate

i'm probably starting as cold ignite infernalist then i think

[fast slate]

just to clarify - they mean (as extra) chaos damage, right?

[dusty bear]

the cast on freeze comet idea made it a lot less clunky

[devout dew]

ok then gonna ask this then

if im struggling with Witch - who here is going Monk - Invoker

[storm jasper]

Hey guys, as someone who hasn't played POE 1, do you think it would be possible to build a Chronomancer with a 2h Sword? Would be my ultimate class fantasy but not sure how viable that would be haha

[dry quiver]

Also for flicker strike Deadeye could be pretty solid with the Avidity ascendancy, if it does work at converting the charges

[devout dew]

cause i was gonna do either Monk or Witch

[vivid meadow]

I go Invoker I think

[frigid hill]

swords not available yet

[modern tangle]

probably

[fast slate]

only maces are available right now. Swords come with duelists, they've said

[tender oasis]

i was thinking titan flicker

[storm jasper]

Oh, don't we get that dope looking sword skin in the early access packs? Can I just slap that on anything?

[frigid hill]

uhhh idk mtx tbh

u can use 2h mace as witch tho

[native zinc]

says just for 1h and 2h swords

[proven quest]

I'm planning on Invoker Monk

[rancid frost]

leaning titan tank w/ full glass cannon spectres

[short rover]

my advice would be if you want to start to make your own builds, which i support because I think thats what makes this game so fun, just be prepared to fail a LOT. If you want to go Witch, go witch, do your plan, learn what worked and what didnt work, try again. Failure is a part of the process, dont be afraid of it

[fast slate]

several MTX come later. Flail from last pack too

[short rover]

I brick like 99% of the shit I try because im dumb

[tender oasis]

invoker has two madatory picks lol

[storm jasper]

Hm...guess then I'll just go Ice Stormweaver or something and try melee once swords are in the game

[warped jackal]

I am a bit new here, if anyone is thinking to go for poison chonk and you have a build in mind, please share

[tender oasis]

posion is pathfinder

[distant glade]

The plus side is poe2 is a lot more forgiving in experimenting with stuff

[olive tide]

i think chonk will make for good poisons.. tons of chaos damage to pump into a meaty poison

[short rover]

you can do poison builds on not Pathfinder too lol

[warped jackal]

well you can still do it for chonk?

[frail jay]

@devout dew I'd start with something like this personally https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=infernalist&p=IIOQjA7ANKBMAMNwE4YGUHrK4awBYkwwo0IA2VM%2BK8gDnNPIgGYoQFG1ywBWU3sljtIXci2goxLOuwTQ0vCIXDKBsfmnx1Ci%2BLMV8BLROEoD8jVSS11N%2BMGzQsHpF8PDxhzjW-inkTVhkVBBkXVg6Gw0FDRU6RAwCUlhHFLBvVOj4CLBEhCoEA1hyRJMFFzLYCORihnYot3omknA8pu8Wc2c7EVS3HT78%2BCdIXQgFcVJtUmwUg3aQUYjdFlCwAyUBG0sRIPgubFDeOiA

[vivid meadow]

you could go ED/Contagion chonk

[native zinc]

pathfinder doubles your stacks though, everyone else is stuck with 5

[warped jackal]

Exactly! thats what i am going for

[fast slate]

What exactly even is poison xd

[distant glade]

A form of chaos damage over time

[fast slate]

yeah but does it scale off the hit and if so how different from ignite?

[tender oasis]

it clearly the best way to practice rolling in poe2

[distant glade]

It does scale off hit. Ignite can’t stack

[modern tangle]

see #2┃build-planning message

[warped jackal]

hmmm that could work too

[tender oasis]

i find it funy any class can use the bell

[distant glade]

Don’t you need combo points to cast it

[hexed arrow]

hi, im new and playing lightning BAMA, im wondering where the next most efficient upgrades would be? https://pobb.in/wT3SPoCY-Ep6

im doing harvest and running low red tier maps atm, just upgraded bow recently which doubled my dps, so might be able to comfortably do the higher red maps now

im thinking next upgrades i should be upgrading quiver to a decent one with lightning and then adding the other combat focus gem? how about after that

[distant glade]

Seems meh

[maiden karma]

You get combo from any strike skills

[silent prawn]

wrong channel

[vivid meadow]

Bell + Hammer of the Gods = brrrrrrrrrrrr

[distant glade]

True I dumb

[hexed arrow]

oh should this be a thread in build help

[silent prawn]

wrong game

[distant glade]

Brother that’s poe1

[hexed arrow]

wtf im in poe 2

[fast slate]

wait so you need something that deals either phys or chaos to scale poison? it would be unwise to go for any other damage type and then convert?

[tidal copper]

They changed the order of the channels I swear

[tender oasis]

they did

[modern tangle]

you'd want to have high convert%

[tidal copper]

Evil admins

[hexed tiger]

Maces stun, swords increase accuracy, what do quarterstaffs do?

[vivid meadow]

@dry quiver I think Combat Frenzy + frenzy to power charge gen is good

[tender oasis]

quarterstaffs bonk

[modern tangle]

HOLY CRAP YOU'RE RIGHT

[maiden karma]

Where do you plan on finding any phys or chaos conversion

[tidal copper]

Staffs have block in PoE1

[hexed tiger]

Have we seen any in poe2?

[tender oasis]

monk starting weapon im prety sure

[pseudo kayak]

@frail jay did you switch from infernalist to invoker?

[tidal copper]

No when I realised you couldn't do the hiking sticks build I gave up in staffs

[tender oasis]

did we get a monk gameplay video from anyone?

[vivid meadow]

hiking sticks? 👀

[modern tangle]

They're weapons with high attack speed and high crit. The base types have various things but the overall weapon identity is actually in the skills for that weapon. Lightning, cold, wind moves.

[fast slate]

have not seen a single source so far

[tidal copper]

You can dual wield two hand weapons but not staffs

Unfair I say!

[modern knoll]

Do we know/think if spears will be an int/dex weapon or dex/str or something else?

[fleet blaze]

are there any big streamers going Invoker that any of you know of?

[tender oasis]

no

[maiden karma]

We've seen an increased range and a spell block one, but spell block doesn't exist anymore

[distant glade]

Is block for hits now?

[maiden karma]

Pure dex cause they're meant for huntress

[distant glade]

Or attacks

[hexed tiger]

Hmm. Block would be good for frontbar

[maiden karma]

Block is for strikes and projectiles

[distant glade]

Weird

[maiden karma]

Nothing weird about it

[modern tangle]

Off Meta Michael is a content creator whose future monk build(s) I'm excited about. Ascendancy unknown.

[tender oasis]

inb4 spell block is ascendency locked

[modern knoll]

Ahh right right, I love the idea of a spear as a weapon, I'm curious if it'll even make sense to use it on a monk/sorc or not

[maiden karma]

Actually spears might be closer to 75% dex/25% str

Opposite of axes

[hexed tiger]

I would be happy if spears are the new claws

[maiden karma]

I could see poison monk with a spear

Claws still exist

[distant glade]

There are claw nodes

[tender oasis]

can we remove claws

[tender oasis]

smh

oh no claw pathfinder

[fleet blaze]

ty

[tender oasis]

not again

[modern tangle]

tbh they've been wevy wevy quiet about claws for a long time

[tender oasis]

also quiet about traps

[modern tangle]

traps got reworked I think, they're still coming with shadow

[tender oasis]

flails will be fun

[fast slate]

wonder if crossbowchonk would work

[modern tangle]

probably designed to be reworked but they'll finish druid and huntress first etc

[frail jay]

yeah

[distant glade]

Do we think spell echo works with metagems ?

Doesn’t say it doesn’t

[warped jackal]

faster leech proc with crossbow, could work tbh

[pseudo kayak]

How do you plan on solving the mana costs? That's my biggest fear with the invoker trigger build

[woven otter]

Chayula Full mana, MOM, CI (maybe), no ES. Pretty sure full uptime on darkness dmg increase, which i dont even know if its good lol

[tender oasis]

gemling legionare can go any weapon

[rancid frost]

yep should

[modern tangle]

barrier invocation, comet, spell echo was the introduction to meta gems AFAICR

[snow mist]

What does "As additional Stun Threshold" mean?

[tender oasis]

darkness seems so off

[frail jay]

inspiration support, reduced mana cost/mana regen nodes on tree

[distant dome]

Having Mana Flare won't make a non-fire spell summon raging spirits when mana flare procs right?

[dawn spire]

I'm pondering a barrage spiral volley chronomancer. A few questions...

1. If I consume frenzy charges for spiral volley, will repeats of the skill gain the benefits of the consumed charges as well?
2. If spiral volley repeats, will it also repeat the spinning movement component?
3. If the answer to 2 is yes, will momentum support apply damage for every repeat past the 2-second movement threshold? Or does it "reset" momentum for each repeat?

Sorry for the wall of text, ty!

[serene moss]

Not sure where to ask but does anyone know what skill is used here? Cuclone with slicey stuff looks awesome

[maiden karma]

Hol up, concoctions are still unarmed, meaning free use of the funny palm skills

[tender oasis]

yes

[modern tangle]

your meter to get stunned (which is also used to active block) gets longer

[snow mist]

What I thought- thank you.

[dawn spire]

It doesn't turn your active skill into a fire skill so I'd guess no

[swift aspen]

does the increased energy gen on this buff apply to other buffs or only this one?

[fast slate]

looks like invoker monk using wind blast and ascendancy triggers the energy waves. That or some support does the same

[maiden karma]

Active block seems to have a separate stagger mechanic

[frail jay]

only that one

[outer marlin]

Stormweaver with ascension 6,7,8,10 self cast Glacial Cascade? Thoughts?

[dawn spire]

Just that one

[distant glade]

Oh cool thanks

[tender oasis]

does elemental exprssion have a cooldown?

[maiden karma]

Isn't glacial cascade a quarterstaff attack now?

[outer marlin]

Oh I hope not lol I am kinda going in blind to poe2

[tender oasis]

it is

[abstract meadow]

Do we only have maces for melee right now?

[devout dew]

@frail jay ok i got that bookmarked

[outer marlin]

Damn, whelp 😂

[serene moss]

Thanks. I wqs doubting between invoker monk and sunder titan. Maybe i just found what i want :p

[modern tangle]

Hmmge. Well that's how I've understood it. There's probably room for interpretation.

[maiden karma]

Mace and quarterstaff

[short rover]

staff

[dawn spire]

Blind
#2┃build-planning

Pick one lol

[modern tangle]

we haven't seen the [important part of the] tooltip 😧

[misty shell]

https://youtu.be/c49jGjuebP4?si=lg4iEljI8xrrjhGI

Plus the 'waves in crit' ascendancy

[outer marlin]

Well, as in I haven't played POE in 5 years and tryna play catch up

[distant dome]

wait, can mana flare support minions, just not the "skills of minions?" same for Elemental discharge.
"Skills of mininons" is like the skeleton sniper's Poison Arrow, no the skeleton sniper itself.

[abstract meadow]

ah thats right thx. can't wait for more classes and skills

[short rover]

tbf we're all also mostly build planning off vibes and feelings lol

[dawn spire]

Fair lol

[outer marlin]

I thought glacial cascade would be fun to self cast :/ I am trying to avoid frostbolt/ice nova archmage

[maiden karma]

Minions can't trigger things so no

[outer marlin]

Or ball lightning/arc archmage

[distant dome]

rip.

[dawn spire]

I can't wait to test out all the barrage interactions. I'm so excited for it to work how I least want it to in every scenario

[long trail]

Is spell suppression in poe2?

[maiden karma]

No

[distant glade]

Try some duration skills with archmage like firestorm and lightning storm

[native widget]

Hot damn, hourglass got nerfed to 10sec

[devout dew]

so for Invoker Monk is this ok or is it flawed ?

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/?a=invoker&p=IIOQjATArANKAstSQncEDMMDKAOROuA7GIQGyp4al5lmFTyFj3ZECclRuuORHOTjR4AGQiN554k3BnohoWBQVo0SWNlCUQWfCJKLwmCiKgVlhs5gcN6ifeF3jsYysW3j2P7oiNjYyXxwoLWCwDWkvR0k5DQwRDWh-ahpqd3iXcD8cDCMcCGzsHSYi8PzIcpowPOx2VMldNld-CDIlMBF0kRKMKHTbbF7UjC942CyaeArsKcmO10gXGatsPv8tdca%2BpagITJZ-aSWpks8NPvkwKFY%2Br0YzMHZWNq8ya5w2yTf7BTBJ-GC0EBl1s4AEYPW7zYQTYGA0JHcZHYGkCXwGSJKb20Ih%2BYFwN34wTqHxUdEoZE6OE8ki0lE85MeQA

[tender oasis]

oof flicker is limited to quarterstaffs

[short rover]

minion death can trigger, but unless you're specifically slaughtering SRS minions quickly im guessing its not going to be very easy to make that a core feature of a build

[devout dew]

i couldnt get it to reach quarterstaff buffs

[frail jay]

don't do 122 and don't take so many small points lol

[misty shell]

Worth noting hits are just hits now so you can naturally evade spells

[outer marlin]

Are there some good cold spells to look into for stormweaver?

[dawn spire]

Eye of winter is a favorite of my mine from poe 1

[misty shell]

Insane to not grab whispers when yto are right there

[outer marlin]

Ahh ok, thank you! I have heard a lot of people going for frostbolt/ice nova

[dawn spire]

Frostbolt and cold snap/ice nova also looks pretty slick

[tender oasis]

ngl bonestorm looks like a cool build

[short rover]

the basic way to approach the PoE tree is to go from notable to notable you think is good for your build, pathing to them via the small nodes that are also the most beneficial. Dont focus on small nodes

[dawn spire]

Can barrage support channeled bow skills?

[outer marlin]

Cold snap is DoT spell right?

[dawn spire]

No

[misty shell]

Cast on crit eye of winter invoker, going to kill myself getting that to work after I have some gear

[outer marlin]

O.O oh hell yeah

[tender oasis]

doesnt say it?

[distant glade]

Poe2db shows skills

[tender oasis]

have to see it in game probly to know

[misty shell]

Hyper out of date and incomplete, so take them with a grain of salt

[dawn spire]

Cold snap is now a spell that "shatters" a frozen enemy to deal damage around it. If you cast it on frostbolt, it instead casts it on all frozen enemies near your frostbolt

[distant glade]

Yeah true , it’s everything we’re basing our info on though. Just saying he can see that stuff for himself

[outer marlin]

Oh whoa

[outer marlin]

That sounds incredible!

[tender oasis]

we dont know wut support gems support witch type of skills yes

[woven otter]

Will instant mana leech make much of a difference compared to non-instant?

[devout dew]

it would be easier for me to talk it out than type 😦

[misty shell]

Like 60% of the support is different then what was in havocs leak

[distant glade]

Beings you can only have 1 leech source, yes

[misty shell]

If you are hitting more then 1 a second, yes

[dawn spire]

Yeah it just says barrage will make your bow attack repeat. And snipe doesn't say it can't be repeated or anything

[swift aspen]

if you use a support gem with cost modifier within a 'cast on' meta, does it increase the energy required?

[tender oasis]

wait no scorching ray

im in shambles

[misty shell]

No, but triggers take mana

[distant glade]

No , some gems have a reservation multiplier

[maiden karma]

There is an unrevealed flamethrower skill

[swift aspen]

ah triggers take mana? i assumed not since they are triggered and not cast

interesting

[brave thicket]

will i be able to make a female warrior w minions by starting witch n getting warrior stuff and minion stuff?

[dawn spire]

Classes are gender-locked and not cosmetically customizable (aside from gear and stuff)

[distant glade]

You can certainly try

[misty shell]

It's clear in one of the teasers, don't remember which.

[swift aspen]

thanks i'll try to look around!

[maiden karma]

Hybrid builds are really not recommended

[dawn spire]

I mean... Do we know this for sure?

[modern tangle]

sounds odd

[snow sierra]

No but we could make a guess

[dawn spire]

Oh, you don't mean "Warrior" the class, you just mean a warrior archetype, I see

[maiden karma]

Melee and minions is the odd sounding one

[brave thicket]

so i cant pick witch but make my way to warrior side, n pick warrior ascendancy?

[tender oasis]

hybrid armor however is the way to play invoker

[snow sierra]

And recommending hybrit builds to new players would be ewww

[swift aspen]

can you move while holding block?

[dawn spire]

Ascendancies are locked to your starting class

[distant glade]

Not ascendency but you can path down to the warrior part of the tree

[maiden karma]

Lol no, ascendancies are class locked

[tender oasis]

yes

[modern tangle]

just a good idea to be clear where the damage comes from when they can't be scaled with same modifiers. The other one does something that supports

[dawn spire]

Chronomancer (sorceress) has only one node that's specifically catered to spells. The rest are generically useful for any build @brave thicket

[swift aspen]

does this mean blasphemy doesn't have curses always on, but instead turns them on in an aura on use? how does that interaction work

[brave thicket]

thanks, all. that helps a lot.

[tender oasis]

hammer chronomancer qwill be funny

[distant glade]

Sounds like she wants to play chrono hammer

[brave thicket]

thank you, ill look it up!

[dawn spire]

Barrage > hammer. I'll show them all

[snow sierra]

I will play Chronomancer summoner for sure

[misty shell]

Turns curses into an aura, not trigger

[dawn spire]

I really really hope that if you time snap a skill linked to second wind it gives you both cooldowns back...

[swift aspen]

so you still have to cast them after each duration expires?

[brave thicket]

i also want to make a merc with minions hehe. just fun stuff rly

[maiden karma]

You get an aura which puts linked curses on enemies that enter the area

[swift aspen]

right but is the aura persisting or do you need to use mana

[thorny path]

No, enemies are cursed when they get within the aura's range

[swift aspen]

oh nice

[thorny path]

persistent

[swift aspen]

if you put support gems on that does it affect anything

[thorny path]

They are uncursed if they leave the aura range

[swift aspen]

heightened curse for example

200% cost

[dawn spire]

Does blasphemy share the activation delay, though? Like, do enemies need to be in range for a certain time before they're cursed?

[shrewd socket]

is it worth unsing eye of winter in a minion build? do minions crit?

[swift aspen]

and how will blasphemy interact with hex?

[tender oasis]

blasphemy plus the pernament curse sounds good

[thorny path]

There work like normal, they all have reservation multipliers for when they are used with blasphemy

[distant glade]

If it has reservation multiplier it will reserve more

[swift aspen]

can i have blashemy on and then spam hex?

[thorny path]

Idk about that

[maiden karma]

You can in 1

[native widget]

hummm. theres a support that gives 12% more damage for every kind of element skill you used recently

allegely

[maiden karma]

But this hexblast is new and different

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure how eye of winter and minions critting correlate to each other. Eye of winter is a projectile-heavy cold spell and minions... Are minions. Minions can crit in poe 1, not sure about poe2

[swift aspen]

hexblast seems crazy with blasphemy...

[tender oasis]

the max 9 explosions smh

[maiden karma]

Not really

[distant glade]

Just for critical weakness I guess

[thorny path]

Minions can crit, eye of winter applies Critical Weakness on hit

[swift aspen]

if the curses automatically reapply

[thorny path]

(they don't know it's bait)

[swift aspen]

how is hexblast not pretty strong

[maiden karma]

New hexblast is a crappy clear skill

[tender oasis]

we assume the explosion and and wave have diffrent damage

well i do

[maiden karma]

Doesn't even apply all ailments anymore

[frail jay]

hexblast damage isn't particularly high so you use it when there's a lot of eneies

it's bad singletarget

[fast slate]

I assume hexblast does not remove curses if used with blasphemy

[tender oasis]

no it just gets reapplied

[dawn spire]

If spiral volley repeats and it's linked to momentum, will the ability move you for more than 2 seconds? If so, will momentum's damage bonus apply from then on?

[maiden karma]

We don't know

[dawn spire]

Time for science tomorrow

[frail jay]

Poison Sunder

[tender oasis]

and i assume its an explosion per curse removed

[misty shell]

The one on DB has 'inflicts crit weakness's.

Jungroan claimed that is 0.5% additional chance to get crit, stacking 20 times.

10% base crit is big

[frail jay]

oh wow that's CRAZY

[tender oasis]

so single target might just get one explosion

[swift aspen]

this is how i see it... you can have 3 curses ripped every cast, seems strong

[maiden karma]

Sorry but poison sunder is gonna be ass

[distant glade]

Eye of winter , cast on freeze comet seem like a good base for bloodmage?

[dawn spire]

Man I can't wait for barrage spiral volley chronomancer to nuke entire maps in two buttons

[frail jay]

why do you think so?

[short rover]

hexblast will probably be a perfectly good clear skill but you'll need something else for bossing, but that kinda seems like the direction we're heading in PoE2 regardless

[swift aspen]

poison is just 25% of the damage, isn't it? unless you're going for tons of stacks is it really that good?

[proven quest]

That's why I have Eye of Winter in my Cast on Shock setup. With invoker, it's shock > eye of winter > pickup shocked ground > shock enemies. Plus increased base crit chance

[tender oasis]

pathfinder doubles the posion stacks

[maiden karma]

It has +1.4 second attack time, meaning you will never be able to attack faster than that

[native widget]

@frail jayi found a new support that works great with trigger skill

10% less cast speed for 25% more damage

[swift aspen]

right that's what i'm saying, unless you go path and hit the other nodes, it doesn't seem strong

[frail jay]

yeah but the damage?

[frail jay]

what

[native widget]

yeah

from a leak

[maiden karma]

Speed is more important than big hits for poison

[dawn spire]

Poison has a max stack size of one by default in poe2

[thorny path]

For poe1 poison

we don't have infinite stacks anymore

[tender oasis]

^

[misty shell]

There is 3 from tree/supports, and deadeye doubles to 6

[tender oasis]

^

[maiden karma]

You still need to be faster than 1.4 attack time

[dawn spire]

Fair enough

[frail jay]

The poison sunder idea is you use the support gem that gives armor break from poison damage and then you stack armor break so you sunder and the poison breaks armor and goes negative and you keep consuming the armor breaks for autocrits and ramping damage

[dawn spire]

Oh, so the poison is a tool to buff your hits

[swift aspen]

yeah i mean i get it

[dawn spire]

Not to deal damage

[proven quest]

Is it only chaos damage that can poison now?

[swift aspen]

the 3500% towards armor break

[maiden karma]

80%

[frail jay]

kinda, I mean you can scale the poison too although it might be better to focus on hit

[thorny path]

rip obviously busted corrosion support

[outer marlin]

Comet looks like it may be the spell of choice for me, looks pretty sweet to do storm weaver, get the all elements can shock and yolo it

[dry burrow]

How would yall build Chonk? Not going darkness just stacking chaos

[distant glade]

It has a minimum 1 second cast time which won’t feel great

If you’re self casting it

[outer marlin]

Is there no way to lower it?

[tender oasis]

corrosion lets posion armor break so the skill you use doesnt have to break armor smh

[maiden karma]

Step 1: pick invoker
Step 2: don't hate your life

[short rover]

a general idea is MoM, maybe CI, mana stack with instant mana+es leech and be thicc af

[outer marlin]

Maybe frostbolt and cast on chill then

[frail jay]

trigger it and ignore the cast time

[fast slate]

true

[dry burrow]

What’s MoM

[short rover]

Mind over Matter

[tender oasis]

losing spirit for darkess seems just bad

[dry burrow]

Yea I don’t plan on doing that

[outer marlin]

Yeah, will probably have a skill like frostbolt to trigger it then

[frail jay]

it is

[distant glade]

Yup that’s my plan too lol. Cast on freeze comet + spell echo

[tender oasis]

it should have been reduced spirit

[snow mist]

There are single handed mauls correct- I mean, i don't need Giants Blood to carry a shield with current weapons out for EA correct? Lawl.

[distant glade]

and biting frost

[misty shell]

Whirling staff and skill effect duration to try get the into the breach buff to last as long as possible.

[tender oasis]

only if you want a 2 handed weapon and a sheild

[outer marlin]

Let's go, I really wanted to avoid what I think most people will do for storm weaver. Ie

Ball lightning/arc

frostbolt/ice nova

[misty shell]

Flat ele is way easier to stack so you do that instead I think.

[tender oasis]

ngl ball lighting storm weaver is too good

[distant glade]

I’m going bloodmage though lol and not archmage. Should still be fine though for you

[snow mist]

Ye- there is an option of a one handed weapon in EA? Lawl.

[snow sierra]

Are there any ideas around that could abuse time freez for something other then its cool cc ?

[tender oasis]

yes

[woven otter]

im doin it, yolo

[frigid storm]

What is a good ascendancy for ice theme build? Stormweaver or Invoker?

[thorny path]

Yes there are one handed maces

[outer marlin]

What is blood mage? I am gonna avoid mana stacking

[distant glade]

Witch ascendency

[frail jay]

only for hits

[outer marlin]

Ooh interesting, I haven't really looked at it yet

[fast slate]

are you 100% sure

[frail jay]

yes

[tender oasis]

blood barbs is always a pick on bloodmage i think

[outer marlin]

I was gonna go storm weaver for the shock and arcane surge + energy shield recoup

[distant glade]

Definitely recommend looking at least at all the ascendencies to get an idea of what you might wanna do

They’re posted on official poe site

[tender oasis]

i might do a theme build on bloodmage with the new bone skills

[distant glade]

The bone skills looked too minion themed for me

[maiden karma]

They got nothing to do with minions lol

[snow mist]

Was gonna go Chorono + Hammer before it turned out to be a 'strong' build- until I saw cooldowns and drawbacks of the time skills lmao. So instead, i'ma try going Ice Templar route. Apex Moment Asend Node: 33% Slow, Temporal Chains Curse & Chill for more slows. Might be trash- but I do love the concept of Chorono sorc.

[short rover]

i think bonestorm is gonna have some broken interactions with slams or something physical

[frail jay]

huh?

[livid breach]

do we have any idea what end game health and mana pools will look like? Similar to poe1?

[distant glade]

The only good one is bonestorm and unless you’re going spell+attack you’re def playing minions

[native widget]

HOLY SHIT

[frail jay]

oh wtf I never saw that debuff lmao

[tender oasis]

oh right the debuff

[short rover]

each spike adds flat phys to next attack and in the video one channel put like 12 of those bitches on the boss

[native widget]

theres a support that increase the max energy on meta gem by 80%😮

[frail jay]

huge

[maiden karma]

Is it?

[frail jay]

gonna cast so many comets

[native widget]

Maybe maybe not, im still thinking about it

[outer marlin]

What ascendancy points are you gonna take? I would think like 1,2,3,7 ?

[swift aspen]

since dark effigy is a totem, is there one max? anyone have sauce on it

[tender oasis]

bone cage wording

[maiden karma]

Ok but is there anything about charge infusion?

[sterile latch]

predownload is in 2h right ?

[distant glade]

For bloodmage? Gorespike, spell leech and 25% dmg taken over time

[native widget]

Wdym

[native widget]

Nah 6 hours

[tender oasis]

6

[sterile latch]

damn

[frail jay]

RIP poison sunder

[tender oasis]

steam preload will probly be before launch tomorrow

[frail jay]

You can't use corrosion support on sunder

[maiden karma]

In the spirit gem list there's one called charge infusion or something like that

[frail jay]

It was OP I guess

[outer marlin]

Ahh ok

[distant glade]

I’ll swap spell leech for the es as life node if leech is ass

[maiden karma]

What

[outer marlin]

Leech is hopefully pretty good, that looks like a fun ascendancy

[frail jay]

You can't use corrosion support on skills that consume broken armor, so no corrosion on sunder

[maiden karma]

The fuck

[distant glade]

Idk if it explains life remnants on there but you get them from crits as well not just monster death

[maiden karma]

But what about warbringer then?

[tender oasis]

yeah i was worried about that

[distant glade]

Which is why I’m going eye of winter

[outer marlin]

Oh so gonna want to scale some spell crit chance?

[distant glade]

Yup

[thorny path]

Warbringer puts armour break on all damage, it doesn't consume armour break

[swift aspen]

does stun threshold affect stun meter while blocking

[tender oasis]

you get more on crits too

[maiden karma]

But will it allow break consuming skills to break as well

[distant glade]

Like more than 1 orb?

[tender oasis]

yes

[river oriole]

What do frenzy charges do again?

[distant glade]

Oh shit

I didn’t know that

[outer marlin]

I'm interested in seeing how your build goes! I am thinking about trying to not do CI and go ES + mana with low life? Not sure if that's actually possible though

[maiden karma]

Nothing

[native widget]

Nothing by itself apparently

[thorny path]

It should, but you wouldn't even want to because of the node after, Imploding Impacts

imo

[maiden karma]

Don't get that node and spam sunder

[short rover]

every few seconds is just it's internal CD is it not, it's not just printing multiple remnants I dont think

[distant glade]

Idk how low life works with gorespikes lol sounds hard to manage. I plan on going blood magic

[thorny path]

I feel like you think you're gonna be armour breaking on hit hmmm

[distant glade]

And hoping there’s an iron will keystone to str stack

[outer marlin]

Ahh got it

[distant glade]

But prob not

[maiden karma]

I have doubts about imploding impacts

[ancient geyser]

won't work, gore spike wording makes it sound based on your current life

[distant glade]

Yeah exactly

[maiden karma]

All the other damage ascendancies only give up to 20% more damage, or just 10% if it's unconditional

[tender oasis]

i have my doubts on culling strike now since it applies before the hit

[short rover]

low life in general in PoE2 seems pretty sus so far

[outer marlin]

I'm gonna go storm weaver and pray I don't need to do archmage + mana stack but I may do it in the end

[tender oasis]

i mean most life is on armor now

[distant glade]

Looks at ruetoo’s latest video

[tender oasis]

or if you stregth stack

[distant glade]

If you want an idea

If not playing archmage

[outer marlin]

Ooh will do, thanks!

[tender oasis]

archmage will be required for endgame i think

[maiden karma]

We only have 1 known source of a possible low life build

[tender oasis]

its too much damage

[distant glade]

Maybe but no one is planning that far rn

[tender oasis]

infact i see an archmage nerf if everyone goes it lol

[dry reef]

I am kind of new to PoE in general so have a question. I want to use a greatsword. I like the aesthetic. However, will I gimp myself if i don't do a str/dex build, or is there a way to go into int as well through some kind of node? I wanted to do the darkness monk with a greatsword, but it seems like I'd want tons of mana (INT) but the weapon I want to use is STR/DEX. Any way to make this work?

[thorny path]

Everybody doubting mana sustain being a problem

first victims of poe2

[distant glade]

It’s just cause it’s familiar and we know how it works. Once we learn the game im sure theres gonna be so much broken stuff

[maiden karma]

No swords on EA launch

[short rover]

fwiw there are no greatswords right away in EA

[rancid frost]

not swords in the game at early access launch - but welcome!

[dry reef]

wait really?

that's...weird

ok thanks

[distant glade]

Main reason I’m not playing archmage lol

[rancid frost]

yeah will get added later

[distant glade]

and I’m taking blood magic so I don’t have to even worry about mana sustain

Lol

[dry reef]

regardless, if i wanted to use on launch, would i be subpar if i don't do a str/dex build?

[short rover]

Swords are prob coming with Duelist

[tender oasis]

depends on how high stormweaver can get its arcane surge buff

[dry reef]

not sure if you can reskin weapons etc

[distant glade]

Yeah that’s fair

[tender oasis]

we also dont know if ggg capped arcane surge

[swift aspen]

would bonuses to 'allies' include minions?

[dusk plank]

Trying to figure out what I was going to play as a first build in POE2. Usually I would just play Arc in POE1, but, I figured I'd look into something different in terms of a caster build. I just saw "Demon Form" in the Infernalist, which seemed really cool, however, reading chat today, people are saying its bad.

Any thoughts/recomendations?

[distant glade]

Yes

[rancid frost]

attributes are pretty fluid and respeccing looks cheap, so wouldn't worry too much about it

[dry reef]

thanks

[maiden karma]

There are some cross compatible skins that can make maces look like swords, but idk about mace monk, since that's the opposite side of the tree

[distant glade]

It’s just very complicated and we don’t really know how it works so it’s hard to theorycraft

[rancid frost]

tbh noone knows and everyone's just guessing

could be dope

[dry reef]

ty

[dusk plank]

Thats valid for sure.

The only reason it caught my eye was due to me being a Demo Warlock (In WoW) back in the day and I always loved turning into a demon.

[short rover]

I would 100% recommend ignoring what anyone is yapping about in this chat including myself and playing what looks fun to you. Fun > meta strength especially on launch

[tender oasis]

also it so cool sorc arcane surge is perma up

cause its you have

[dusk plank]

Are there any build planners yet? Probably not.

[distant glade]

I think it will definitely be good , just might be some time before we get an optimal build for it

[thorny path]

There are none

[rancid frost]

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree this one but it's incomplete

[fast slate]

do we need crit in an ignite build?

[rancid frost]

nope

[sterile latch]

"Every class starts with 40 mana and has the following stats: Regenerate 1.8% of Mana per second" yeah high high then xd i'd have done chrono all the way lol

[thorny path]

And everyone trying to actually plan a build rn is wasting their time

[distant glade]

Crit helps to ignite and bigger ignite but not needed

[dusk plank]

Figured as much.

And last question I assume. In terms of like... Respecing. Is it going to be easier in POE2 than POE1? I saw a youtube video that mentinoed it, but it didn't go into details.

[proven quest]

You don't need it, but crit is extra damage so it helps with igniting

[rancid frost]

w/ ignite you want the biggest single hit you can get, which crit helps with

[proven quest]

and makes ignite bigger

[rancid frost]

but not necessary

[proper pagoda]

Do shocks scale both the hit and dot damage of ignites or how does that work? I assume it wouldn't double dip like that

[maiden karma]

Definitely easier, since it's just gold instead of semi rare currency

[distant glade]

Poe2 is gonna be way more forgiving with experimenting. Gold to respec and gems drop at higher levels

[dusk plank]

Oh perfect. Okay cool. This will be fun then.

[tender oasis]

lmao we did it

[fast slate]

wanna make this good but its a bunch of small hits which by that logic wouldn't be good with ignite then?

[thorny path]

dot's scale on the premitigated damage of a hit, sources of increased damage taken won't double dip

It'll apply to the dot when the dot is mitigated

[maiden karma]

Yeah they're not for ignite

[proper pagoda]

Ok yeah that's what I figured

[serene moss]

Anything in right now that resembles frostblade? Wish spear was in already

[thorny path]

It's only level 5, we don't know what the damage profile of this is yet

[proven quest]

You'd have to see what the base damage ends up being, but 40% more damage on the last hit isn't bad

[distant glade]

It’s good with flame wall cause it adds flat fire dmg

But not ignite

[grizzled trout]

How does evasion and armor work in Poe2 with Iron Reflexes? Is it same as damage conversion, forgetting its evasion and scales only from armor % on tree?

[proven quest]

If it ignites on earlier hits thats ok, ignite damage is always the largest instance

[thorny path]

No confirmation, but probably won't scale with %evasion anymore

[distant glade]

Yeah but you’re only getting 1 ignite on a skill that hits multiple times, seems worthless lol

[fast slate]

I wonder if there's a world where it would be viable to use that skill simply by relying on its raw hit, not ignite

[maiden karma]

Fusillade could be cool on a coc bloodmage as the activator

[distant glade]

Check out ruetoos lastest video

[tender oasis]

the reddit is having the funny ms paint builds

...

second wind on hammer brb

[distant glade]

Is hammer a limit skill?

[thorny path]

cooldown skill

[native widget]

I wonder if increase limit can increase seal on unleash support

[distant glade]

Oh I’m thinking of something else

Lol my b

[tender oasis]

drops 2 hammers at once

[distant glade]

And then chrono

Do it again

[tender oasis]

and thers a 33% chance it doesnt consume

[distant glade]

😮‍💨

How does that build clear a map though lol

[maiden karma]

There are posts other than key giveaways and beggars?

[tender oasis]

yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h7gh5l/how_i_plan_to_brick_my_titan_build_one_nuke_per/

[royal badge]

Does anyone know if Snipe and other charge skills speed up with Faster Attacks? Or is the charge time fixed?

[maiden karma]

Speed works on them

[tender oasis]

oh god someone made a warhammer 40k build

[native widget]

lmao

[royal badge]

Nice, ok ty!

[thorny path]

hmmm build with only one damage support on the spam skill

Very popular bait these days

[proven quest]

I feel like this was everyone's idea the second they saw hammer of god. I know it was mine

[maiden karma]

Can't wait to see hammer get nerfed into the ground on release

[tender oasis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h74w74/mspaint_the_forbidden_40k_build/ >.>