2┃build-planning

[fleet blaze]

I'm trying to avoid a guide on launch and just playing. @tawny rivet do you have time to review my concept and tell me I'm wrong?

[tawny rivet]

i only know stuff about lightning since thats what i'll start

[proven quest]

I can't promise anything but I don't mind taking a look

[hidden tartan]

it seems frozen stayed on 125

[tawny rivet]

it does say it's a buff not a spell, so I think it'll just cast them on enough energy

not sure though

actually not sure, since the buff spells i've seen only story a percentage when activated, maybe it's like poison burst where you have it active perma, and explode it by clicking it against

[proven quest]

It says "Using the Invocation once sufficient Energy is gathered", so I think you have to use the skill yourself. It doesn't seem to trigger

[hidden tartan]

I am just curious how would it work if you had like a commet and voltaxic mark, and you could proc like 4 spells could it be possible to cast 3 commets but 1 mark kek, doubt it but can't find a way to squeeze mark in to my build

[tawny rivet]

mm good point

i'll just use caste on shock for my build, but mana seems to be a problem

[hidden tartan]

you mean spirit?

[tawny rivet]

I wanna use mana tempest and archmage, that'll suck a lot of mana

[hidden tartan]

ohh

[tawny rivet]

well spirit too, but i might need the spell slot to mantain mana somehow

[fleet blaze]

do you hjave a poe2skills concept mapped out? i wanted to start lightning but also wanna freeze

[tawny rivet]

I just have one with all the skills that i want, but some will prob get swapped out

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATdAZhABoQAjPIhAbVAGcBrA-BECAJwGMKQTbAAdhAe24AXJgwC6AX3LM2+Dony4A5gAtJYXGE3omkiVAFDRE6XMXL2nKhFXoNOvQc0WR4qTPj0CkqCKmogElToYgBmxqbcUDKUlr42AUH2qpxuuvqG6LxiYIR4kt5WfrbBrA6IUBCQ6JIwUMIwJuWp-oF2IbWCWgRRseKoMNyd1t0ZfVmIPLza9ZpwyT5TVZlhvBAmUWDG2mK8LJOV6fIKQA

[fleet blaze]

ty

[proven quest]

I think every use triggers all spells, and the cost would increase by the total cast time of all those spells. So if you can use it 4 times, you'd cast both 4 times

[hoary plover]

Way too long to post here, but I just put my thoughts on the gas arrow build up on the poe2builds subreddit if anyone wants to take a look
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1h5t5n4/gas_arrow_napalm_explosion_deadeyewitchhunter/?

[tawny rivet]

poison arrow seems fun

but I always build DOT in games, wanna change it up

[hoary plover]

poison will prob be #3 for me. assuming the above build works, i'll do a spellcaster second and then go back to bows after that

[proven quest]

Have we seen any good ways to force our life down to low life?

And more importantly, keep it there

[viscid escarp]

Do you guys think weapon specialization passive points will allow us to turn notables on and off? I'm looking at Vaal pact and I was thinking you could toggle that on weapon swap. So have life leech for dps and turn it off to use life flask.

[alpine fulcrum]

you mean keystones? its been confirmed that keystones and jewel sockets cant be swapped

[viscid escarp]

yes my bad, dang that would've been crazy

[languid valley]

I saw that mercenary will have some sort of turret they can place. Has anyone seen if rangers have them as well? I'm leaning towards ranger but only if I can mix it up with turrets.

[alpine fulcrum]

tbh vaal pack is not the issue here, its for stuff like chaos innoculation or eldrich battery

[alpine fulcrum]

not yet in ea, but later i assume they will add ballistas back

[blissful abyss]

One question guys, from yesterday's interview Jonathan said that on a rain of arrows, each projectile crit chance will be calculated individually.
What happens to things like Falling thunder supported by Innevitable critical? Will only the base hit crit and then the crit chance of each projectile is calculated again using the base crit chance without inevitable critical?

[alpine fulcrum]

iirc he said its different per skill so gotta test that

[vapid shadow]

i know we cant possibly be sure right now but in theory is the ranger suppose to be fragile but super high dps endgame ?

im looking to start a glasscanon dps boss killer class.

[hoary plover]

skills are not limited to class, so yes both mercenary and ranger can use ballistas. you might need a weapon swap to use them though since I believe they require a crossbow.

[alpine fulcrum]

generally rangers will be less tanky yes, but also builds are as tanky as you make them, it should be possible to make a ranger that can take a hit, in poe1 pathfinder, a ranger ascendacy could achieve some of the tankiest builds (although the stuff it used most likely wont exist in poe2 or at least ea)

[languid valley]

All classes can use all weapons?

[hoary plover]

yes

[alpine fulcrum]

yes

[proven quest]

As long as you have the stats to use it, you can use it

[hoary plover]

any class can use any weapon and any skill, it might just take a little more skill point investment to make it good

[languid valley]

Well. Now my brain is melted thanks.

Ranger using a crossbow. Do they still have access to the ammo types? What makes any class different then?

[vapid shadow]

ok so i can build ranger to possibly melt bosses fast

more so the other classes

in theory

[proven quest]

The biggest differences between classes is starting location (which leads to ease of access to certain nodes), and ascendencies

[alpine fulcrum]

yes ammo types are skills so any class can use them, classes define your starting point on the tree and also ascendacies (subclasses) have their own bonuses

[hoary plover]

classes are different because of their starting point on the passive tree - a witch can get crossbow nodes but would have to travel far to get them
and their ascendancy class which has unique passives that only that class can have.

ammo types are a crossbow mechanic, so any class with a crossbow can use them.

[alpine fulcrum]

based on what we currently know, yes ranger could have some great boss dps

[vapid shadow]

thx u

[languid valley]

I'm beyond excited for poe2. It's kind of crazy. Haven't felt this eay since before diablo 3 and that nostalgia died that night until poe2

[vapid shadow]

i been asking google ai and they also say ranger is op but idk how they know lool

fextralife most have told the ai

[hoary plover]

they dont. dont trust AI for anything, especially not anything new

[vapid shadow]

i wanna trust it o.o

i want it in my brain

lol

[hoary plover]

AI takes time to learn and its not gonna learn anything from incomplete speculation that hasn't even been out for a week, about a game that hasnt even released yet lmao

[alpine fulcrum]

bad choice

[vapid shadow]

nooo

[alpine fulcrum]

prob an issue with the site, it will be able to socket skills in the sockets

that site is not official so you would have to contact its creator to report this

[winter dagger]

Question Would there be any reason to carry two of the same weapon type if they do the same damage type? like two lightning scepters or two poison bows.

[hoary plover]

different stats? maybe one has more damage but the other attacks/casts faster - some skills care more about those things.

[winter dagger]

that makes sense

like having a Bow for Bosses, and a Bow for hordes should be possible i would think

[pearl sluice]

someone was saying something about hammer of the gods and ailments being pretty strong the other day. anyone got a link to the video he was talking about or know what the deal is with it?

[alpine fulcrum]

ailments scale damage based on the hit that inflicted them, hammer of the gods deals huge damage on big cooldown, and i assume this is the vid they were talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbbD33x4eY&pp=ygUPY29ubmVyIGNvbnZlcnNl

[pearl sluice]

thanks! I'll check it out

I already had the infernal war cry -> drop a fat hammer thing figured out myself tbf. just wondering if there's more to it lol

[sterile latch]

not to be the devil's advocate, but his build has literally 0 fire pen no ? his calcs should take quite a big hit in real situations

[alpine fulcrum]

fire pen does not affect ignite since it calculates based off pre mitigation damage so you are forced to use enemy reistsance reductions like explosure or curses

[sterile latch]

it's premitigation but you are forced to use res reductions ?

[alpine fulcrum]

yes, the damage is calculated based off unmitigated hit dmg, but the ignite itself is still affected by resistance

[sterile latch]

i see

[lyric palm]

this build makes more sense with a weapon swap setup as a chronomancer for the cold damage -> double ignite

[alpine fulcrum]

could be tricky to scale that, this requires quite a spread in build scalars

[sterile latch]

still i cant see fire exposure and flammability

[lyric palm]

you can just ditch all stun investment

[hoary plover]

just FYI last I knew ignite wants exposure not penetration

[sterile latch]

yep that's what he said i think :d

[alpine fulcrum]

yes thats what i mentioned above

[hoary plover]

mb, missed that

[lyric palm]

remember there are weapon specific skill tree points so weapon swap setups are going to be more common

especially on ignite builds, I have a hard time seeing people not using the 100% more ignite damage or guaranteed crit (depending on the support chosen) on frozen enemies

chronomancer may be required if hammer of the gods is used for both freeze and ignite, depending on the weapon swap, so that second wind + cd refresh can be abused

[sterile latch]

not sure you really want chrono if you play ignite but idk

[lyric palm]

it's specifically for hammer of the gods. Otherwise, no, chronomancer is useless

[sterile latch]

there has to be easier ways to freeze

[swift aspen]

I feel like hotg + aggravated bleed will be a lot juicier

just need to make sure you're peeling ES off

[lyric palm]

all ailments are now threshold based, so they're "big hit" demanding

hammer of the gods just seems like the de facto ailment skill unless there is a penalty for ailments attached to it that hasn't been disclosed to us (which would be weird as we have all the numbers and the basic description for it)

that being said I could easily see freeze being accomplished by some other skill into hammer of the gods, in which case chronomancer isn't required.

also big question is if keystones can be used with weapon specialization skill points

because if yes, avatar of fire abuse is going to be interesting

[hoary plover]

they can not

[lyric palm]

awww

[hoary plover]

keystones and jewel sockets are confirmed not to be weapon-swappable

[sterile latch]

at the end of the day it's just a buildup, you can freeze with a repeatable fast hitting skill

[lyric palm]

pretty sure only stun is a buildup?

[hoary plover]

all crowd control ailments. poison ignite and i think shock are still chance based, but the chance still scales with bigger hits

stun, freeze, pin, electrocute, i think all have buildup

[lyric palm]

I haven't seen any source on that though

[sterile latch]

yeah the few early footage i watched were freezing with basically anything

[lyric palm]

oh I see, notable wording actually supports that

[lyric palm]

"freeze buildup"

so freeze will be more DPS than big hit, but ignite is big hits.

[sterile latch]

y apparently

and so is shock

[lyric palm]

that's encouraging

[sterile latch]

so it's harder to ignite AND shock on the same build because it requires 2 big hitters, than freeze ignite or freeze shock imo

could push me towards stormweaver and bye chrono 😢

[lyric palm]

that just makes freeze ignite even easier, but yeah stormweaver may work a bit better then

[sterile latch]

yep

just freeze has some dr i think

so 'ill take deep freeze

to not miss my 2-3rd combo if needed

[proven quest]

lol we need this pinned or something, I feel like this ailment convo comes up once every few hours

[calm pasture]

Any interesting ideas around merc using non-crossbow skills in addition to main crossbow set up?

[hoary plover]

i've seen some stun grenade into 2h slam ideas floating around

[lyric palm]

what's the base duration on an ignite?

[true gulch]

yeah, with my cast on freeze + comet setup, i would crit with the comets all the time, but works only on frozen enemies.. so for bosses i would need somewhat good critrate..

[hoary plover]

so, it would cost ~50 spirit but isnt [your curse of choice] + blasphemy + decaying hex + hinder just a great offenseive/defenseive combo?
you get whatever curse benefits you, some token dot damage, and everything nearby is constantly slowed?

[maiden karma]

Am I missing something about stun grenade?

[true gulch]

so you think we should get archmage way later? was thinking of starting as archmage, but then i thought maybe when i have a divine or two. maybe i should switch even later, after finding some good mana/int gear

[maiden karma]

I don't get why people are obsessing over it

Starting with any kind of stat stacker is a ridiculous idea

[ancient geyser]

im just gnna do lifetap eternal youth

i'll only go fully traditional mana stacker once mana regen is fixed

since lifetap has no mana modifier in this game

[hoary plover]

it has decent damage, is aoe so it can overlap with multiple projectiles, and has 1000% more stun buildup. so it stuns very easily, making it a good combo/primer for anything that benefits from hitting a stunned enemy

[ancient geyser]

it should be fine

[true gulch]

hmmm idk, i think ill get mana early on and try to use mana potions until i get good mana pool and regen

[calm pasture]

What is a Heavy Stun?

[maiden karma]

Long stun

[misty shell]

Especially with mantra looking to not be staff specific. Basically build to 10 combo points over the 30s and drop a crit hammer with infinite damage.

[true gulch]

wdym no mana modifier? 6 linked mainksill will still destroy your life pool?

also if you get hit, your life wont recharge, and your life flask wont work

[ancient geyser]

eternal youth

• mom

[true gulch]

eternal youth is so far away too 😦

[ancient geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1313195596709892107

it's pretty easy to reach

[misty shell]

Chances momentum is a goated gem on wave of frost for monk? Not sure how far 2m is.

[true gulch]

does the life recharge rate with eternal youth also scale with your ES pool? or only with es recharge rate and recovery etc?

[ancient geyser]

i'd assume it's with your hp bar but no idea

as long as recharge rate is good

its ok

[leaden violet]

do we have the name of this skill?
https://youtu.be/0VZsq_vJjGk?t=80

[ancient geyser]

the only thing that could brick this starter is that they added a ridic mana multiplier to lifetap

[main plover]

it does have crit chance after gore spike : )

[ancient geyser]

source?

[main plover]

ill pm dont spread it

[ancient geyser]

okay

[gloomy basalt]

What is the difference between Exerted and Empowered when it comes to warcrys & slams?

[static plinth]

I dont think we know for sure, but its probably Incinerate

[true gulch]

this makes skills cost mana AND life right? or maybe only mana?

[pearl scroll]

yes

[ancient geyser]

yes, both, but it's BASE mana cost, don't think it accounts for multipliers

not 100% sure though, don't quote me on it

[surreal dragon]

the life cost gets scaled by the multipliers anyways

[ancient geyser]

but would it get scaled by archmage?

[hoary plover]

life and mana, yes. but you can take blood magic and remove the mana cost entirely if you want

[true gulch]

how do i remove the mana cost?

wanna go archmage

oh

[ancient geyser]

if you go archmage you don't wanna remove the mana cost

[true gulch]

bloodmagic removes mana entirely

nvm

[ancient geyser]

i just don't know if archmage will also take from your hp

[true gulch]

yeah bloodmagic removes mana, so it wont work

[short rover]

mana cost on archmage = damage = good

[true gulch]

archamge scales with max mana, with bloodmagic i dont even have mana

[ancient geyser]

according to our pepega math, the math for lifetap + life remnants is the following:

Based on lvl 11 Ball Lightning, you are looking at a cost of (36 x 1.5 x 1.2 = 64.8) + (3000 x 0.0535 = 160.5) = 225.3~ hp per cast.

[sterile latch]

I really wonder how Infernalist interacts with all those mechanics, no way none of them work or this class is over

[surreal dragon]

given that archmage + covenant does scale the cost off your mana in poe1, I would be inclined to say it does but it could be different, who knows

[short rover]

what do you mean? the only thing that doesnt work with Mana is Pyromantic Pact

[sterile latch]

I mean MoM, Archmage, Mana tempest etc etc

[short rover]

yeah all of that works on Infernalist you just cant take Pyromantic Pact

[true gulch]

so as an archmage mainskill, a lightning skill is the best right? since you are stacking %lightning dmg in the tree for the archmage dmg, you might as well scale it with the initial dmg

[ancient geyser]

but that's because covenant in poe1 is giving you the blood magic keystone in its entirety no?

it's a different mechanic compared to the blood mage's one

[ancient geyser]

ah nvm

then yes it'll work with archmage

not a big deal

will just need more regen

[true gulch]

so if you have like 200% lightning dmg through int stacking and lightning nodes, your will do way more dmg with a lightning skill. so fire and cold skills as archmage suck?

[ancient geyser]

no, one of the strongest poe1 builds right now is a frost nova archmage one

[short rover]

a lightning build is the most straightforward version of an archmage build yeah, but you dont HAVE to use a lightning build. Damage conversions exist etc

[ancient geyser]

you can definitely do archmage with other elements

[neat dew]

Could you get both I am the thunder and I am the blizzard in the invoker ascendency

[sterile latch]

but that makes a quarter of* the ascendancy so bad

[true gulch]

yes but then you need to also invest in Fire or Cold nodes for your main skill. then convert it for lightning. but if you use a lightning skill, it is already boosted by like 200% 300% increased dmg

and that dmg gets boosted by archmage

[short rover]

How so?

[proven quest]

The damage from archmage is added, doesn't matter what the base damage is

[hoary plover]

how many ascendancy points do we get again?

[true gulch]

did archmage scale with % increased lighntning dmg in poe 1 ?

[short rover]

20% hit damage reduction, Demon form damage increase + 4 nodes we havent even seen, I think that is definitely an overreaction to say Infernalist is so bad without Pyro Pact

[ancient geyser]

the idea when playing archmage is that you use skills that tick A LOT of times to benefit to the maximum from its passive

[proven quest]

Archmage is doing so much of the damage that it doesn't matter what the skills damage is

[ancient geyser]

ball lightning is probably the best in paper but there might be alternatives

[ancient geyser]

yes

[near acorn]

did they remove effectiveness of added damage in poe 2? 👀

[neat dew]

I thought it was 8

[near acorn]

I guess I haven't seen it, but it seems weird that they'd get rid of it

[proven quest]

especially since pyro pact is always going to be third ascendancy at the earliest

[ancient geyser]

you need to look at the skill from a: what skill is most efficient to use castpeed/dmg wise that will give me the most archmage procs in 1 cast?

[hoary plover]

i thought so too but that means we get everything in the ascendancy so i was second guessing

[ancient geyser]

that's why bladefall bladeblast was pretty strong with archmage at some point as well

[sterile latch]

you'd lose MoM, Archmage potential for

I want to believe there's still some "mana" interactions

the concept is fun

[ancient geyser]

i also cooked this up at first but i ended up realizing if infernal flame worked the same as mana it'd be way too broken and there's no way they're allowing that

you could have infinite sustain with MoM and that

infernal flame is a resource of its own

but you might be right it might take some values from mana and the likes

[short rover]

Archmage and Mana interactions not working with this is almost definitely intentional lol, the absolutely obscene Flameblast ignites or w/e would be ridiculous

[proven quest]

what do you mean we get everything in the ascendancy? I think all ascendancies have at least 16 nodes

[neat dew]

No I count 9 notable skills

[ancient geyser]

not only that, you'd be topping your flame bar, getting hit on purpose, letting it go down again into another massive flameblast

[neat dew]

• the passives

[ancient geyser]

and on top of that you'd sustain permanent demon form as long as you're casting spells because demon form would be draining your mana instead of your hp

[modern tangle]

8 points means you get at most 4 notables because every other point goes into small node

[sterile latch]

you only get the bonus on high bar though so it's a pretty volatile gameplay

[hoary plover]

🤦 i was counting notables and not including small nodes

this is your brain on hype

[sterile latch]

for 4 points.

[ancient geyser]

yeah but you'd be pumping it back up instantly, demon form would be the engine to bring it down so you don't overheat

[modern tangle]

You will have to CHOOSE. 😁

[proven quest]

It depends on how demon form is worded. If it removes life per second, then MoM wouldn't help

[ancient geyser]

true, but the wording on the video was just "you take dmg", and in the video we see ES going down before HP while in demon form

so i'd assume it works with MoM

[short rover]

Demon Form hard coded to drain life and just insta killing CI builds would be kinda funny lol

[sterile latch]

demon form blast your defenses, overheating too, idk it doesnt feel op

[neat dew]

For invoker, unless one path locks the other path, you could do both thunder and blizzard and have 1 point for a minor node

[ancient geyser]

[swift aspen]

My first shot at a skill template for Titan:

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=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-TAuZc0LxWwTCIOprAmvIZpT0l6o+qZZyKI+iNJGxAXgsXAsEohilnmPAMPG8LStE0RAA

Open for flaming

[proven quest]

Pyro Pact would like to have a word with you lmao

we'll see how GGG decides to do the math, but it might brick CI

[ancient geyser]

so far in the video the infernalist loses ES instead of hp

while transformed

i'd be surprised if they changed that

[sterile latch]

Inb4: infernalist cannot interact with mana, nor ES xD

[short rover]

yeah its interesting because the way i initially read it was the damage is just based on your max life and ES and then it follows all the damage conversions, but if thats the case then CI+Eldritch would mean you take 1 hp damage for overcapping which effectively means the penalty doesnt exist

[short rover]

even if true that just makes pyro pact bad, not infernalist

people legit sleeping on 20% hit dmg reduction like thats so good

[median gulch]

Do we know how much spirit we will end up with? Can we easily reserve 2 ?

[alpine fulcrum]

30 per act + whatever you get on gear

[arctic egret]

will the witch have access to fire spells to match the infernalist look? or as a witch are u stuck to mainly minions

[median gulch]

any base or just 30x6 ?

[short rover]

Base is 0, you gain 30 per act it sounds like

[alpine fulcrum]

0 at start so just that

[ancient geyser]

when you see what blood mage gets as defensive layer 💀

[swift aspen]

Sorcery ward + Scavenged Plating on heavy armor 😚

[proven quest]

Do you have a timestamp for that? The only time I could find the demon form didn't have a life bar shown

[ancient geyser]

sadly i don't, i'm pretty sure it was shown during the footage of regular endgame content

it wasn't during the demon form ascendancy showcase

but i made sure to pay attention to the ES thing because i was planning to go demon mommy when i first saw it 😭

[alpine fulcrum]

life

[proven quest]

Oh ok, I'll take a look. Weirdly enough it looks like the Pyro Pact is also doing damage to only ES, so who knows

[ancient geyser]

nope, something better

[swift aspen]

Bubblegum?

[short rover]

i assume you're talking about having the only form of spell leech in the game? That is also quite good yeah

[true gulch]

damn bloodmage makes base spell critchance 15%. wonder if its viable with fireball archmage

[ancient geyser]

no, something else that hasn't been shown yet

but let's just say

it's stupid strong

it's legit an unique item in poe1

[swift aspen]

It has to be bubblegum

[short rover]

dont tell me I just recently finally decided on my starter 😭

[proven quest]

I'm seeing life drain while ES isn't moving: https://youtu.be/ZpIbaTXJD4g?t=2879

[ancient geyser]

ok nvm im fake news, it was pyro pact i got confused by

😭

[alpine fulcrum]

quick reminder that leaks are not allowed

[ancient geyser]

spoiler alert, it's an amethyst flask unique

[proven quest]

Ya the pyro pact wording is weird. It seems like it would damage your ES and your Life, but in the video it's just damaging ES

[swift aspen]

How exactly does Physical Mastery passive work? Does the +1 skill add to the natural skill damage coefficient?

[short rover]

well that narrows it down to one hmm

[alpine fulcrum]

skills have levels, how they benefit from it depends on the skill

[short rover]

would indicate it does just use life+ES as the damage value and then apply all the normal damage rules no?

[swift aspen]

If the skill is at max level does the +1 affect it?

[maiden karma]

What

[proven quest]

That's what it looks like to me. I think it ends up being about the same either way, but means it would definitely work with CI

[alpine fulcrum]

honesty dunno if we have any specifics on that yet but if it works like poe1 then there are 2 max levels, one is what is achievable just from the gem, second is what max you can get with gem bonuses, usually it was 20(21 if corrupted) base + up to 30 with modifiers, do note that the upper value might be changed to be bigger since + levels is much more common now

[proven quest]

I thought PoE2 didn't have utility flasks?

[short rover]

that also means there is basically zero penalty if your build can also run Eldritch Battery

1 life 0 ES

[ancient geyser]

it doesn't, i was referring to a certain mechanic of a certain item that is now moved elsewhere

[proven quest]

Except that every hit in the game kills you lmao

[short rover]

MoM mana stacking 🙏

[proven quest]

Are we still talking about infernalist?

[short rover]

no clue ifd we can stack that much mana realistically yet though

without pyro pact yeah

nvrm im stupid

[proven quest]

ahh ok, I was talking about CI with Pyro Pact

[short rover]

yeah I got self inflicted damage sources on infernalist mixed up lmao

[thin basin]

I assume nerfed version

Otherwise

[ancient geyser]

hihi

[thin basin]

30% over 2?

Anything higher than 30 is a uh

[ancient geyser]

4

[proven quest]

degen is probably really scary in PoE2

[thin basin]

Thematically does fit

[ancient geyser]

it does

[thin basin]

Only works on overflow? Or all

Only question is if minions dying drop them or if it somehow have a hitting a boss drop them effect the blood orbs that is

[midnight bolt]

lmfao people leaked full bloodmage on reddit and got banned

[ancient geyser]

dms

[gritty ether]

think Sorcery Ward is only for Witchunter ascendency. Stormweaver can't use it.

[short rover]

isnt it just a skill gem

[fervent dagger]

I wish I knew if Impending Doom triggers when a cursed enemy dies

[amber shale]

no it's an ascendancy skill lol

[pearl sluice]

Does anyone know if crossbow grenades are governed by accuracy?

[short rover]

oh it randomly appeared in the skills planner, most ascendancy things arent in there so I thought it was a skill lmao

[swift aspen]

Are we anticipating 120 passive skill points?

[misty shell]

Would be surprised if they were given the aoe tag. IE if we can't evade aoe, I would be surprised if the rules were different for mobs.

[amber shale]

jonathan said 122

[proven quest]

Sanity check, would fragility and hypothermia work together?

[short rover]

id assume not? Doesnt it specifically say you cannot inflict freeze or chill or w/e

[misty shell]

Your never chilling, nor are you freezing once you brittle something so hypothermia would be a dead link.

[short rover]

oh no it says they are unaffected by freeze or chill

hmm

[proven quest]

Once they are brittle they're unaffected by freeze or chill, but it sounds like the it would still be freeze buildup, and then freeze turns into brittle

[misty shell]

Guess that checks out but in theory the brittle hit would also apply freeze at the same time then?

Or I guess it says 'instead'

[proven quest]

I'm assuming it ends up just adding brittle

[misty shell]

Hmmm interesting. So it consumes the freeze 'prime' for brittle then makes them unaffected by chill/freeze.

Wonder if you could then rebuild the freeze prime while brittle is active.

Or if unaffected just stops you from building freeze entirely.

[proven quest]

I think while brittle is active neither will build, and then once the brittle falls off you can reapply

[misty shell]

So gaps in brittle even if you were magically able to freeze on every hit :(

[native widget]

id assume supports that consume freeze on hit doesnt consume brittle right?

[misty shell]

Agreed

[proven quest]

the main goal is to use ice strike to brittle (which is increased crit chance poe1), and then use other skills to do damage with the brittle affect active

[misty shell]

Wave looks way better if you are just trying to apply brittle I think.

[proven quest]

Good point. I'm thinking ice strike might also be ok for clear, so trying to double dip. But then it might be better to have different supports on ice strike and use Wave of Frost for the brittle idea

[misty shell]

My understanding of hits are freezing is that all damage applys freezing, not just cold

[native widget]

yeah im really confused on the line

so like, we know all cold damage can build chill and freeze

so does hits are freezing mean...

[misty shell]

I can't remember where I saw it, but I think the 'all damage does x' is correct.

Looking through viperesque posts now

[native widget]

Well, if thats the case, archmage comet just got even more synergy

Especially with stormweaver

With the all hits contribute to shock chance node, all damage from comet will be able to apply shock and freeze

Like holy shit

I actually think its gonna be busted

[woven sinew]

Oh I like this idea for my build

[drifting cedar]

wait we can evade aoes now? armor supremacy?

[misty shell]

Can't*

[proven quest]

This is the general idea for the build (stealing @misty shell idea for Wave of Frost) https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATdAJhABoQAjPIhAbVAGcBrA-BEAFxigAcYTLugBm+bACcJATwogm2PnwD2ErkwYgREITAnoIXLhADGLDZQiFCMYvlwBzABZcwuMA-SFoEB3EpUME4wVnK8Kqh6tl4+fiAAugC+5Mxs+ByIYrhmeuhCErgs-vKKKmoa8PQgkRAqYOgw+LwwYMb4MVC+xRJdIqp+hHImBVzZEO3enXGUJvjKTDDoJspQVIZhTbCt46LKJtgaSSnyaRnVEABui8oiohLzXHIKSqrqmtmLVLg8cg74prhDLhlGA5E5pCouMEJFBAXIRD0HARvrIjql2JwTDphCD0LAmotTk9Sq8KlU+PdtGBFiNsOM5E0mEwvJIgSC5FBsPhRnwmksnBAJHE0ScMYh3CI9JB2sNZJRnmU3pUQIj3J5ZQlkuj0pxTmr0HxxlBiS9yu9qRdvhAqHzht8xhxKO5qRILoZivZJV4eu4nsoud6IL6RawxSB7B49Pr2AdgaD5SSzZUQ0TENDxsQbugodgwDYJCbFWSU2GHAUoKIQkJC6SGEkkkA

Playing around with Falling Thunder, Flicker Strike, or Hammer of the Gods for my big hitters

Wait I'm trolling, I don't have Mantra in there

[misty shell]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIByMDuACAQgVwJYBsATdAVhABoQAjPIhAbVAGcBrA-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-CYgqceWhy90a+jthcIipQ5NI-pED6euEuGarvZlFnRe5VDKLv4B-k-FmXhiAnkqkZMhaKJKF2WRBCWdBxxkFwYC0NI0iAA

Similar but different. Going resonance for power charge sustain and mantra for crit on the spender.

If snipers mark let's you gen power charge when fall crits then you should always have 1 charge by the time you cycle back to pressing fall.

Ope, vaulting should have cull on it.

And HoC should have multi charge

[proven quest]

Can we apply a mark and a curse by default now?

[misty shell]

Yes

Marks aren't curses

[proven quest]

Oh sick

[atomic halo]

yes but dont remember source

[granite tulip]

Do you know what counts as a combo?

I.e. is it hits, or an attack, or specific attacks like Tempest Flurry and Ice Strike?

[misty shell]

Build combo by successfully striking Enemies with other skills. After reaching maximum Combo, use this skill to Empower your next attack causing it to be a guaranteed Critical Hit with extra damage.

Strikes with skills

[granite tulip]

Skills with Strike tag?

[misty shell]

Viper has a post saying combo is not shared as well

[misty shell]

Based on the wording of mantra that would be my assumption

[granite tulip]

Oh yeah, I can see that being the case.

I'm curious how many combo hits Whirling Assault would count for, as it just says "strikes".

If it just juices up 10 hits instantly if there's 10 mobs around you or something.

[misty shell]

Would be shocked if it wasn't 1 per use with a unique that changes that to 2 or some shit.

[granite tulip]

Could it see working like that, yeah.

I intend on using Falling Thunder as a "spender", so I probably gotta think Mantra of Destruction in too.

[misty shell]

There is a world where you can spam it instead of you can generate power charges fast enough

Shock with falling -> siphon -> fall -> repeat

Then mantra is meh

[granite tulip]

I'm trying to lean into Hourglass and Fist of War support with it. And pump it up with Infernal Cry, and potentially Mantra too.

Not to mention Staggering Palm and Charged Staff too.

[misty shell]

I'm hesitant to have more then one charge spender

And 9 slots feels more restrictive then I thought it would.

Like you want vaulting always.

You want chayula for ST.

You need 1-2 auras.

[granite tulip]

Infernal Cry already seems strong even without using Endurance Charges, so I'm not too worried. Unless Exert/Empowered are specific wording.

[misty shell]

Ya cry is insane with any 'finisher' playstyle.

If uniques still give 20 power in Poe 2 it's just 100% as fire...

[granite tulip]

In conjunction with these, it just 8-links your finisher too.

[misty shell]

#2┃build-planning message

Ya basically my plan

Then use the weapon swap passives to scale crit on fall, and other shit on the ice side.

[granite tulip]

I like your stuff, looks great. What ascendancy?

[native widget]

thoughts on my plan? I will have a cold skill to apply freeze to charge my EI and CoF as well as clear small mobs, and when I need burst damage, i cast the EI, which have spell echo comet, which means a total of 14 comets at max level and max energy, with another 3 more damaging supports. This will trigger my CoF repeatedly as my arc in CoF will be supported by biting frost, which consumes the freeze allowing reapplication of freeze with comet hits, that also gurantees crits on my arc. ideally a EI cast will trigger my CoF 14 times if every comet freezes, but im expecting no less than 7 CoF triggers.

[misty shell]

@granite tulip waiting for the rest of the trees before I decide.

[granite tulip]

[misty shell]

Invoker the obvious choice, but low-key think CI pathfinder will be the tankiest ascendancy by a mile.

[native widget]

wait why

[river shoal]

hello guys, i just joined the community here

does anybody know about any minion builds/srs being planned here???

[misty shell]

The nerf to es is recharge related. Youth let's you ignore that, and pathfinder for all the flask shenanigans.

ES nodes even seen on the tree are bonkers.

[native widget]

a lot

just search SRS in the search function and you will see a lot

[silent prawn]

srs seems to be the most anticipated 😄

[river shoal]

yesss i love it on poe 1 bro

[river shoal]

could you elaborate on how can i search for them here?? im kinda new to discord

[native widget]

top right

wait, is this confirmed

wtf

wait let me see

please

😭

[silent prawn]

no leaks allowed

[pine dew]

You need it?

[sterile latch]

i swear every asc will be leaked before chrono 😭 😭 😭

[pine dew]

Chrono is laready out

[native widget]

pm please

[sterile latch]

oh.

[native widget]

oh well ok,

yeah chronomancer looks pretty weak ngl

i bet you can create some interesting build but

[ancient geyser]

chronomancer is actually so broken with hammer of the gods

like officially

and infernalist confirmed bis minion ascendancy

[native widget]

somewhat

but like, meh

seems like both infernalist and bloodmage need to stack HP

[ancient geyser]

bloodmage so broken lol

[lyric palm]

it's the only good combo I can think of

[sterile latch]

one build ascendancy y

[ancient geyser]

pretty sure it will work with more stuff

but the glaring broken one is that

[native widget]

Im just curious how archmage added mana cost would interact with mana tempest

[lyric palm]

other ascendencies have much more damage scaling available whereas chronomancer either has "soft" damage in the form of needing less survivability from time freeze, or just cooldown abuse

[native widget]

Will the mana cost added from archmage also apply to mana tempest?

[native widget]

Yeah my thought exactly

[lyric palm]

what I'm really confused about is why comet is auto-freeze, seems like any ascendancy can just use a level 1 comet and freeze anything they want

[native widget]

Like by stacking 2 shocks on stormweaver its already a 30% more damage multiplier

[native widget]

Its not

[lyric palm]

did they confirm changes to it?

[native widget]

Theres video demonstrating comet which shows that it does not freeze 100%

Just watched it yesterday

[lyric palm]

what does "hits are freezing" even mean then

isn't that all cold damage

[native widget]

My guess is it meant ANY damage from hits of comet can contribute to freeze

[lyric palm]

oh I see. Bad wording then

[native widget]

For example if you have archmage active

You will have lightning damage on comet

Which will not contribute towards freeze if that line didnt exist

Theres really no other way to explain the line

[lyric palm]

I'm probably going to toy with chrono as my first build but I'm not expecting anything crazy

looks like a fun gimmicky ascendency but there just isn't enough cooldown skills to abuse yet

[lyric palm]

yeah makes sense

[native widget]

Wow holyshit, crits also drop life remanent on bloodmage

That just changes everything doesnt it

[ancient geyser]

treat it like trickster imo

it's not a dmg ascendancy

the 20% slow is crazy

[lyric palm]

trickster in poe1?

trickster in poe1 is busted right now

[ancient geyser]

yeah

i mean i know, trickster is giga busted because crazy defensive nodes, but chronomancer is your utility/defensive caster ascendancy

i think it's very good really

[lyric palm]

chrono is utility, trickster is just insane defenses

[ancient geyser]

50% more cast speed and the chance to reset cooldowns is wild

if you lineup your burst window on a boss

on a stun/freeze

with your 50% cast speed

that's insane effective dmg imo

[vapid shadow]

i wanna be sorc but im worred about it being bad end game cuz i saw stupid websites

[proven quest]

Me and @misty shell have similar plans, his build has falling thunder mine has flicker. I’m most excited for flicker cast on melee kill profane ritual. If you can get 4 kills with flicker you can sustain power charges and just flicker everywhere

[native widget]

Lmao nah

[ancient geyser]

it's poe, no ascendancy is bad xd

and from what we've seen so far they're crazy good

[vapid shadow]

ok

[lyric palm]

deadeye looks to be the most boring looking ascendency to me

[ancient geyser]

for sure

[native widget]

Holy fuck, 15% base crit on spells?????

💀💀

Wtf

[ancient geyser]

HAHAHA, that's not even the most insane thing

[granite tulip]

That sounds nutty too

[vapid shadow]

i heard deadeye can melt everything

[ancient geyser]

the one that gives you extra phys dmg from all your dmg and chance to bleed on elemental dmg, now THAT'S busted asf

[native widget]

I dont see why that would be the case tho

Looks decent

[vapid shadow]

i wanna be a ice sorc but the ascendency tree looks like it mostly lightning stuff

so idk

[ancient geyser]

do some quick math, imagine ignite hammer of the gods with crit multi applying bleed on top

now not only you have a ridiculous ignite dot on it

you also have a ridiculous bleed with it

[proven quest]

What gem is that?

[ancient geyser]

not a gem

[proven quest]

Oh, unique?

[ancient geyser]

check dms

[native widget]

wait is there a rule for leaks in this channel or what

its not even GGG operated

[ancient geyser]

yea no leaks allowed but talking about them is fine ig

sincei t's just

"speculation"

hihi

[native widget]

hehe

[lyric palm]

to really make this work you need the guaranteed crit from freeze which is a bit of an awkward setup

[ancient geyser]

tbh ggg is gonna do an official reveal soon pretty sure

they made a poll on reddit

and almost everyone wants to see them

[lyric palm]

I'm actually not sold on ignite HoG

[native widget]

wait let me see

[native widget]

yeah same

[ancient geyser]

i don't think it's that hard

[vapid shadow]

eiene can you speculate on what class will melt bosses the fastest lol

[native widget]

like, you need to also invest in bleed on passive tree

idk how well that would work

[ancient geyser]

i have no idea man lol

[native widget]

i dont see why that would be better than just a flat, almost 50% increased base crit on most spells

[lyric palm]

not hard to accomplish, hard to scale without splitting damage between elements given how the tree is setup. Also depending on the duration of the ignite, it seems a bit redundant to go chronomancer for ignite if you're just going to be waiting out one big hit

[vapid shadow]

cries lool

[native widget]

like you already need to invest in ingite, hp, and prob mace skills

[lyric palm]

I'm actually inclined to just do that with pure cold damage because then you get the freeze, can use pen, and still get some big hits with that skill, and can use them back-to-back with refresh

[native widget]

now bleed on top of that

idk

doesnt seem like you will even have enough points

[lyric palm]

yeah, and the whole point of the cold damage in the ignite version is just to overcome the freeze threshold. It's like completely wasted points.

[ancient geyser]

you don't need to invest in bleeding though

you get that as an extra from the ascendancy

[lyric palm]

you would need pure elemental scaling for it to work and there just doesn't seem to be a lot of that on the tree.

[native widget]

yeah, but doesnt HoG already able to bleed

im confused

[ancient geyser]

does it?

nvm then

[native widget]

its phyical isnt it?

so yeah

[lyric palm]

it's a mace skill so it depends on the weapon

why scale bleed though if you're going to have some flat cold on your weapon

[native widget]

like i think the phys is just a nice 10% more buff

[lyric palm]

the only way I can see the ignite working is with a very min-maxed tree and clever use of weapon specialization points, and two well-crafted maces

and even then it still might not be worth it

I'm just going to go for cold hits and still enjoy that broken ass skill because those guaranteed crits alone with such a huge damage multiplier on the skill seems enough

[native widget]

like, you might as well go merc and pray decimating strike can apply aliment lol

[ancient geyser]

it's ok hammer of the gods 5 mirror build

[lyric palm]

just a small loan of 10 mirrors

I do like the idea of chronomancer for HoG setups still just not ignite

[native widget]

yeah

[maiden karma]

Slap in mantra somewhere for the funny guaranteed crit

[lyric palm]

time freeze -> attack until ice freeze for "free", since they're stuck -> hammer -> freeze again -> second wind hammer -> refresh cds -> etc.

no need to wait out ignites, have a janky weapon swap, etc.

[native widget]

anyone got clue if cd refresh works on both charges of second wind?

[lyric palm]

I'm hoping it does

no evidence for it though

if not then I'll just go hourglass support without second wind and put in another damage link

not the end of the world

[native widget]

anyone got an estimation on how much mana we can get endgame wise?

[ancient geyser]

damn

sunder broken

[native widget]

tf

[ancient geyser]

[native widget]

negative armor?

[ancient geyser]

warbringer op

[native widget]

🤣

where the hell does people get all these accendency leaks from

im confused

[ancient geyser]

well

they sent out some form of EA access to media outlets

so the people from media playing are having fun

[native widget]

🤣 just wait until they found out who leaked all these and give out NDA lawsuits

[ancient geyser]

how do you even find that

they're leaking it on twitch chats

that's so stupidly hard to backtrack

so easy to make a throwaway twitch acc

[native widget]

there are smart ways to find out

[ancient geyser]

and even smarter ways to avoid being found out

[native widget]

such as slightly different wording on text sent to different media

[ancient geyser]

if they've gone through that extent

ig

[native widget]

i mean, its possible

elon musk done the same thing before

[ancient geyser]

it's fine GGG just has to do the official reveal now

[maiden karma]

Where the at

[haughty sluice]

heyya all new POE player here i played 1 to level 31 then kinda got lost but im keen to jump into 2....

Is it possible to make a character thast has more armour or tankyness and uses a spear? id love to make like a lanver or halbread armour character but im not sure if Monk or Warrior would be a better choice?

[silent prawn]

spears might not be available at EA-launch

[haughty sluice]

Oh

[silent prawn]

but if you want tanky, then Warrior

[pseudo kayak]

There's lots of cool ways to make tanky characters in POE

[haughty sluice]

i assumed normal weapons would be in on EA launch ?

[native widget]

but like, have yall looked at the absurd storm weaver node?

like assuming you can get to 10k mana, which i think is very possible

[haughty sluice]

my idea was trying to make a 2 handed spear user that does uber damage and is dodgy or could take hits well

[native widget]

you will have well over 200% mana regen just from that single node

[pseudo kayak]

which one, lol

[native widget]

and 60% cast speed

[lyric palm]

if you're new to poe in general just hop in, experiment, do what you think you'd like

[native widget]

force of will

[ancient geyser]

i really doubt you can get to 10k mana btw

[haughty sluice]

ty am keen to

[maiden karma]

Gemling is funny

[midnight bolt]

Chronomancer best ascendency

[native widget]

even not, 5k is def doable

[ancient geyser]

5-8k is what i'd look at

yeah 5k is definitely fine

8k lategame maybe

[haughty sluice]

is it possible to pick like the archer character but then go somepletly differnt weapons? like any class can use any eapon right?

[ancient geyser]

yes

[silent prawn]

every class can use every weapon

[native widget]

if EB comes back tho

[lyric palm]

poe1 veterans want to abuse the game mechanics of poe2 from day one because that's what we love doing in poe1, but you don't have to play like that and the audience GGG caters to with this stuff is the kind of people that will sit and stare at spreadsheets all day

[ancient geyser]

if EB comes back mom archmage breaks the game

[lyric palm]

and poe2 will be good to just hop into and enjoy

[native widget]

[lyric palm]

also I expect the EA to have some extremely unbalanced nonsense. Like poe1's early days of CoC not having a trigger cooldown.

[ancient geyser]

i'd say they've learned a lot in terms of balancing from their run in poe1, but yeah there will be broken things

[lyric palm]

they apparently tried quite a bit with the closed alpha to improve balance but the unrestricted masses of the poe community as a whole sharing information is how we've gotten some pretty insane builds these last couple years

like anyone remember delirium league? PoE was already "good" at dealing with balance issues at that point and something so bad slipped through the cracks they had to patch mid league

and of course the community found it ridiculously fast

the PoE community is not normal

so yeah, don't bother trying to plan things out for PoE2 if you're new to the game, you're competing with people who aren't sane

[lofty grotto]

of course it will be constant mess
They'll fix/nerf all of broken stuff, then they'll add next 2 weapons/classes/spirit gems and shit will go down again.
That's early access

[lyric palm]

some people are going to nolife this game so hard they won't sleep for a couple days. And that's just normal behaviour for some people at league launches

[lofty grotto]

Fextralife already with speedrun strats /sarcasm

[ancient geyser]

fextralife with the 45hr campaign speedrun

[lyric palm]

I'm also kind of excited for hardcore not being complete bullshit in poe2 with the game slowed down and most hard hitting stuff telegraphed now

[pseudo kayak]

EVE is famous for playing a spreadsheet, but path of building players put the average EVE player to shame

[lyric palm]

they're both pretty insane in terms of just starting at numbers all day, but yeah poe might take the cake here just due to third party tools alone

[ancient geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAkumoOQoQA monk leaked

[native widget]

pretty sure poe has a way bigger player base than EVE

[lyric palm]

like everyone knows there's going to be a PoB fork/alternative for PoE2 in the works almost immediately. Someone is probably already starting on the codebase.

[lyric palm]

that is also true, and EVE is RMT hell.

[midnight bolt]

Lmfao all the people who didn't believe that gemlin will be best minion ascendencu

[ancient geyser]

gemling is not better than infernalist for minions

[midnight bolt]

It is

Just because of supp gem duping

[ancient geyser]

you have worse pathing even if you can dupe supp gems, and infernalist has some nutty nodes

[verbal merlin]

idk if anyone is interesting but i've been playing aurabots and support characters for a couple of years now in poe1 and im gonna try and plan out a nice support character for poe2 aswell after playing a bit.
so if anyone wants to theory craft with me once the game comes out and we have more knowlege feel free to DM me

[lyric palm]

only thing I don't like about poe2 is that necro players won't actually suffer anymore

like wtf is this shit with minions reserving spirit, summoners can't have actual quality of life

[native widget]

wait guys hold on, so the scouring winds node on stormweaver, says lowers res by additional 20%, and Biting Cold applies 2 instance of cold exposure, does that mean with biting cold and scouring wind you can decrease res by 60%?? or would it be 40%

[pseudo kayak]

Minion builds scale hard with spirit, which makes infernalist seem advantaged over gemling

[ancient geyser]

not sure, but you can't go negative resistances in poe2

[native widget]

you sure?

[ancient geyser]

100%

[native widget]

i thought its just for pen

[ancient geyser]

nope, for everything

[pseudo kayak]

more of your best summon (spectres?) vs having your 2nd/3rd best summon be better

[native widget]

they said you cant pen below 0 no?

[alpine fulcrum]

nope

just pen

[ancient geyser]

you can't go below 0% unless you have something that specifically states you can

wait really?

[true gulch]

u cant penetrate under 0% with -res u can

[native widget]

yeah other wise this node would be quite useless

[ancient geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

[short rover]

Pen goes to 0%, exposure goes negative

[ancient geyser]

[native widget]

right, but i think -res applies first right?

so pen would be pretty useless if used with exposure

[short rover]

I would assume, but I’m actually not sure lol

[native widget]

also, does exposure expire instantly if the freeze or chill gets removed?

[short rover]

It would be weird for it to be the other way around, because then if you hit a mob that has like 15% res for 20% exposure, any pen you have does literally nothing

Vs if it calculated your pen first then exposure takes it negative, that makes more intuitive sense

[native widget]

i forgot, how does exposure work exactly, like does it instantly go away when the freeze or chill goes away?

how does it work in poe 1?

[worthy dagger]

Does chilled ground turn the enemy into chilled????

[short rover]

Isn’t it just a duration in poe1

[native widget]

Yea

[native widget]

How long tho

[worthy dagger]

OOO GREAT

[native widget]

It doesnt say on biting cold

[worthy dagger]

ez power charges then

[short rover]

Uhhh

[native widget]

How

[short rover]

4 seconds per the wiki by default then

[native widget]

Nice, thats more than enough

[hoary plover]

do we have any good frenzy genreation mechanics? sniper's mark and combat frenzy both seem real slow

[worthy dagger]

frozen locus wth harmonic gen

[native widget]

Can you send a pic

[native widget]

Humm ok nice

[worthy dagger]

creates chilled ground

so ez

xD

[native widget]

Yeah i cant find this notable on db

Idk why

[worthy dagger]

plus you can combo with this to keep enemys in the area

and thats another charge chained into this

[native widget]

And what are you using the power charge for

[worthy dagger]

flickerstrike

chaos builds

[analog frigate]

Flicker all day

[worthy dagger]

xD FR

its fun af

[worthy dagger]

im kinda sad that EB is not in EA

[native widget]

Well, you need to cast frozen locus in between tho

[worthy dagger]

yeah thats first

[analog frigate]

Isn't there something similar in the monk ascendancy tree like EB?

[native widget]

Are there?

[worthy dagger]

nah

[worthy dagger]

eb converts all ES to mana

[ancient geyser]

EB is disabled, being reworked

[worthy dagger]

Yeah ik its Sad 😦

how is my mana going to sustain it self

[native widget]

go stormweaver

lmao

free arcane surge with arcane surge scaling off of mana

[vapid shadow]

can anybody points me in the direction of a great poe sorc only player

idk how to build it lol

[native widget]

learn

duh

[worthy dagger]

where dat at I cant find it am I blind

[native widget]

get a phd

[vapid shadow]

loool

[native widget]

find what lol

[vapid shadow]

ok fine ill learn

[worthy dagger]

stormweaver

[native widget]

it an accendency lmao

of sorc

[worthy dagger]

im going monk .-.

[native widget]

sounds like an L then

[worthy dagger]

xD

[native widget]

invoker?

or chaos monk

[worthy dagger]

chaos

[native widget]

then you can only use attack

[worthy dagger]

might switch to invoker after I look at acend if its good or not

[native widget]

theres no mana leech for spells

[worthy dagger]

true

its phy dmg right only?

[native widget]

no

attack only

any attack skill should work

[worthy dagger]

oh flicker should be fine......

[native widget]

oh nvm

lmao

[worthy dagger]

prob not tho

xD

[native widget]

it is phys only

damn

[worthy dagger]

like what that means

?

like what counts as phy dmg

[native widget]

what do you mean what counts as phys damage

[worthy dagger]

that wording is killing me

[native widget]

the damage that is physical?

lmjao

[worthy dagger]

dont even say what dmg it does

[maiden karma]

Weapon damage

[light fractal]

attacks use the damage of the weapon

[native widget]

yeah

[light fractal]

you can have elemental, phys, or chaos weapons

or a mix

[native widget]

most of them are phys tho

[worthy dagger]

so is flicker phy dmg?

bc its weapon dmg

?

[maiden karma]

If your staff is phys then flicker is phys

[worthy dagger]

oh fk

so it can be any type

[native widget]

just get a phys weapon

yeah any weapon with phys damage

[worthy dagger]

Yeah but if I use this it would make the weapon from phy to lightning right

[native widget]

no

its added lightning damage

[worthy dagger]

OOOO

[graceful stag]

do we still have weapon swaps? or is it only the tree swapping cuz i have a fucking funny meme idea

[native widget]

the original portion is still physical

if your waepon is physical

[worthy dagger]

love this wording bullshit

xD

[native widget]

nah its pretty intuitive.. for the most part

if it sounds like it will work, it prob works

[worthy dagger]

lol

alr

ok my build going to be insane then

and with only 10hours of poe1 experience

[vale musk]

I was wondering if I could make a stormweaver sorceress, using something like incendiary shot on crossbow for free ignite, poison chance support gem, passive ascendancy shock chance, and basically have a lot going on at once from a single shot, investing into increased chances in passive free. One question, can a support gem like poison chance apply to almost any on-hit skill?

[native widget]

sure

[vale musk]

That sounds awesome, I wanna blast, then maybe switch to a shield and roll dodge after applying a load of effects, some of the hit windows on the bosses seem intense

[native widget]

ahh not sure

prob tho

so you wanna poison, shock, and ignite at the same time?

[vale musk]

Yes, maybe even freeze with the poison to freeze support

[native widget]

is there even such thing

[vale musk]

I looked and there is, I’m bad at copy paste, let me find the name tho

Chaotic freeze support is the name

[native widget]

chaotic freeze?

doesnt work

[vale musk]

Ya

[native widget]

you dont have chaos damage over time

[vale musk]

Oh I thought poison was initially chaos damage

[native widget]

non-Ailment it says

[vale musk]

Ohhh

[fast slate]

can anyone explain how scaling totem damage works. Is it just the flat that you can't scale with your own weapons?

[vale musk]

That makes sense, ty

[silent prawn]

it is minion dmg

[atomic halo]

well, it's not confirmed to be the same as in poe1, but poe1 totems scale off of your own offensive stats. so if you get 10% increased melee damage on the tree it will apply to the totem.

as they use their own weapons, that means you likely cant scale thier flat damage.

[fast slate]

I heard stats like attack speed and crit from weapons apply too, just not the flat damage

[atomic halo]

source? i dont think they ever confirmed this. it's definetly not how it works in poe1.

[fast slate]

so increased phys on wep does nothing?

[native widget]

i doubt

[silent prawn]

didn't Templar scale minion dmg for totems?

[atomic halo]

local modifiers to attack speed on your weapons will not apply to your totems, because they use their own weapons. however, global modifiers to attack speed will apply to your totems.

[atomic halo]

correct, does nothing.

[fast slate]

so what can i get on my weps that help a totem build?

[atomic halo]

sceptre for more spirit so you can run ancestral bond, maybe

and considering poe1 ancestral bond doesnt exist (which prevents you from dealing damage yourself)

and that we've only seen 2 totem skills

[light fractal]

do we know if auras affect totems? or are we expecting them to still not

[atomic halo]

most likely you will want to pair totem damage with your own attacks

instead of being a pure totem build

[velvet blade]

I think totems inherit some of your stats so auras affecting you should technicaly affect totems right?

[light fractal]

would be strange to have offhand sceptres for an additional totem and not be able to use the aura the sceptre grants

[atomic halo]

the thing is, auras dont effect you anymore. see discipline.

[velvet blade]

Ooo

[light fractal]

auras dont affect you anymore

that's why im wondering

it's just strange

[velvet blade]

That's a wild change

They said no more freakin aura stackers lol

[atomic halo]

well we can use sceptres that grant non-aura skills

like the malice one

that would work just fine

[light fractal]

i mean it's good since it lets different builds use spirit differently now

[velvet blade]

Yeah

[fast slate]

wasn't there a diminishing returns on using, say 2 sceptres at once? didn't they combat statsticking a long time ago? cause for spirit it seems like the play to go for that

[light fractal]

yeah ig we'll see what options there are

[atomic halo]

you can't dual wield sceptres.

[fast slate]

oh

[velvet blade]

Why not?

[atomic halo]

it's just a rule

[velvet blade]

strange

[fast slate]

but I have two hands xD

[atomic halo]

#2┃general message for source

[vale musk]

I heard someone saying different weapons can come in different base damages, is there a thing like a chaos damage base crossbow?

[native widget]

there could be

[atomic halo]

we have seen some melee weapons with fire only base damage and such, so a crossbow with chaos only is not out of the question

[native widget]

but then your incendiary shot wouldnt work

because it only converts phy damage into fire

and now you have no phys damage

[vale musk]

Ah good point

[velvet blade]

They can't be dual wielded because it makes them more fun... Such weird logic when you have two hands lol. Unexplained invisible walls always feel so bad

[vale musk]

The only other thing I can think of is nerf most damage with added chaos damage support, but that would reduce all other damage just for that stretch to freeze things

[atomic halo]

they cant be dual wielded because they would take away your choice

because it would be too automatic for minion builds and such

[velvet blade]

I get that, but thematically it just feels weird

[silent prawn]

also minion build probably too strong with 2x spirit on sceptre

[bold raft]

Probably because they want you to have a default attack all the time
Sceptres perhaps don't have a default attack or spell

And yeah minions would be fing crazy with two sceptres

[native widget]

prob is why do you need freeze and posion to begin with, are u trying to use biting frost

[velvet blade]

"The sky is blue because that's the hex color we picked" feels bad compared to "the sky is blue because light refracts to this wavelength at this level of curvature". I hope there's a logical in-game explanation for not being able to put a stick in each hand.

[silent prawn]

wand and sceptre is possible

still 2 sticks

[lyric palm]

probably balance and implicit weapon abilities

makes sense to me

[atomic halo]

why cant u wear 10 rings at the same time

there needs to be an ingame reason

[lyric palm]

I think you mean 20, don't forget about the toes

[silent prawn]

earrings too

[vale musk]

Part of it is just to see how much I can apply with a single skill, add the heralds as supports, and see what happens was my idea

[velvet blade]

Now you're asking the important questions

[atomic halo]

or... 21...

[lyric palm]

🤨

[native widget]

i wonder why there is both fire lightning aliment support, and fire cold aliment support, but no cold lightning support

maybe it just didnt get revealed yet?

there are supposed to be some support gems thats not yet revealed right?

[silent prawn]

some were coming soon afaik

[vale musk]

I can wield a scepter in main hand and a shield in off hand, right?

[fast slate]

yes

[native widget]

yeah

[vale musk]

Another idea was just a tanky summoner, just not sure which class/ascendancy to build around

[native widget]

bloodmage or infernalist

duh

seems like infernalist would be the choice rn

[vale musk]

Ah k, I just thought another class where shield points are easier to reach might be beneficial, but haven’t looked enough, doing that now

[native widget]

best bet is to wait for druid lmao

[fast slate]

was planning something like this - Sunder totem with damage as well as extra damage if target is bleeding. Armour breaker with faster attack speed, bleed chance and more armour break, Leap Slam with stun supports, and then a chonky Hammer of the gods for potentially big dam idk. Thoughts?

[native widget]

What is increase limit doing in there

[fast slate]

also splinter for more armour break, which allows sunder to crit

It doesn't work with it?

my bad it doesn't

[vale musk]

I like the idea of it, having the totem, traversal skill, stun, and your ultimate or finishing move, so to speak.

[fast slate]

I was thinking I'd place totem, jump into pack, hopefully stun pack, then I'm safe to armour break if there's a tough mob, otherwise repeat

[vale musk]

Ya, sounds cool to me 😎

[fast slate]

problem is totem is slow so gotta get attack speed or totem placement speed

or put attack speed support in main link

[vale musk]

With the whole scepter/shield idea, I have a question about Raise Shield skill. Would cast while channeling work with it?

[fast slate]

not sure. I assume not, but that would be really cool

[native widget]

Ahhhh, it might

It does say channeling after all

[fast slate]

raising it, firing all sorts of abilities from your shield. That would incentivize getting stun threshhold

[vale musk]

Ya, definitely, I thought it might be a good way to have something going off while mostly defended in certain fights

[fast slate]

it might have to have the channel part be part of the row below it to work, idk

[vale musk]

There’s also a skill “shield charge” which maintains block functionality while sprinting forward

And is also a channel

[native widget]

Well you can only charge for so far

Raise shield cwc is more plausible

[vale musk]

Ah kk

[fast slate]

are "allies" also totems?

[raw flower]

In PoE 1 totems were not allies, in poe 2 nobody knows

[native widget]

Maybe

[hidden tartan]

Are new ascendancies leaks out?

[fast slate]

yes quite a few

[hidden tartan]

have a link?

[maiden karma]

Are you seriously asking for leak links in the official discord?

[fast slate]

I mean they're on reddit if u sort by new, not really hidden

[hidden tartan]

Is it forbiden? I mean if half people are watching it on twitch now? why does it even meter ? it's already out

[maiden karma]

Reddit is removing them

[pearl sluice]

They're all on youtube

[native widget]

Fusion gaming on youtube

[pearl sluice]

Literally just go on YouTube

[native widget]

He posted all of them

[hidden tartan]

Thanks

[pearl sluice]

Mmh Blood Witch is nuts

So glad I'd already locked that in as my first class

To try

[ancient geyser]

blood mage gang

[pseudo kayak]

@ancient geyser did you get converted back from storm weaver?

[midnight bolt]

chronomommy supremacy

[misty shell]

There is no official discord lol

[midnight bolt]

its literally this server

[ancient geyser]

i think stormweaver is still busted because arcane surge is apparently MORE cast speed and MORE mana regen but i will go blood mage regardless

[maiden karma]

Speaking of blood

[ancient geyser]

it's just with the initial info we had of blood mage it was so bad

[maiden karma]

Can spells bleed now?

[ancient geyser]

with bloodmage yes

[pseudo kayak]

Bleed or crit?

[ancient geyser]

i will go 2x crit + bleed

[midnight bolt]

wtf

[ancient geyser]

full gorespike tree into the bleed one

unless i really need the leech

which i doubt

[midnight bolt]

progenises is a must have on her imo, chonk>damage its not poe1 glass canon meta

[pseudo kayak]

So no leech or life delay?

[ancient geyser]

nah, because it's MoM

if it was non archmage then sure, you want leech and progenesis most likely

[pseudo kayak]

Interesting. I can appreciate that level of greed 🙂

[misty shell]

You should tell the Poe dev's that then.

#2┃early-access message

[maiden karma]

We don't have actual confirmation on that do we?

[ancient geyser]

we don't but we do

if that makes sense

[pseudo kayak]

The life costs with Archmage and no leech seem a bit scary though

[ancient geyser]

we've already run some calcs in the archmage theorycraft thing with ES recharge rate boosted and eternal youth, it's safely covered

you can pay bloodmage hp cost + archmage + lifetap easily

[pseudo kayak]

That's with just hard casting right? No triggered spells (not that the spirit is easy for that)?

[ancient geyser]

hard casting yeah

spirit will go on archmage + curse

[maiden karma]

||I've seen the node, but the all as extra phys part is confusing me, since it shouldn't do anything for spell bleeds||

[ancient geyser]

though i plan on removing curses and going archmage + coc lategame

[ancient geyser]

well it does say || elemental damage can inflict bleed ||

[pseudo kayak]

Sticking with arc/ball light or considering other options to take better advantage of the base crit?

[ancient geyser]

ball lightning + arc on coc or hardcast arc for bosses, then we're gonna try to cook up a weapon swap comet/freeze shenanigan

but that's too much brain power for now

[maiden karma]

There's a lot of information to sleep over

[ancient geyser]

do with this information as you will

[pseudo kayak]

Gotcha. I was just musing some sort of flameblast or something

[maiden karma]

I don't really care about bleed right now

||Low life infernalist got me acting unwise||

[ancient geyser]

hihi

low life infernalist does indeed look good

just remember that low life threshold in poe2 is changed from 50%

down to 35%

[maiden karma]

Any idea what to do with tons of mana on a melee build?

[ancient geyser]

or was it 30%? no idea, i think jonathan mentioned it in the ziz interview

[ancient geyser]

archmage?

[maiden karma]

Can I get archmelee

Archbonk

[ancient geyser]

melee with coc + archmage

[maiden karma]

That won't do

[thin basin]

dont u still need bleed chance for spell to bleed

[ancient geyser]

don't think so

if the ascendancy changes the rules of the game

[pseudo kayak]

both monks are looking great for archbonk

[maiden karma]

I guess sceptre and shield is an option

[ancient geyser]

chayula seems quite chaos dmg oriented though

and invoker looks like the king of coc

[thin basin]

all it said is "can inflict" needs more info

[daring jay]

Can cast on crit cast any skill/spell even if you dont have the specified weapon equiped?

[pseudo kayak]

yea invoker seems best longterm. chayula leech just makes affording triggers and defense super easy thoug

[ancient geyser]

cast on X can only cast spells, not weapon skills

[daring jay]

ohhh okay ty

[maiden karma]

Oh man

What are the odds of manastorm returning

[daring jay]

imma play invoker 100%

[ancient geyser]

invoker defensive nodes are crazy

i'm actually glad all ascendancies look really strong

[pastel forge]

Different from mana tempest?

[daring jay]

truee

[maiden karma]

It's a shield

[pastel forge]

Ah ok