Wootility v4.7.0-beta (Rappy Snappy) Feedback

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Wootility Beta Feedback - v4.7.0

[proper cairn]

Feedback and bug reporting in this thread ONLY please
Discussion in #⏬│rappy_and_snappy

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Wootility v4.7.0-beta Feedback

[real cliff]

So the beta is not availiable without a chromium browser?

[brittle epoch]

my 60+ mod just arrived few hours ago and now the rappy release

[hearty aspen]

If I can give some feedback: Why not be able to press the key you want to assign, instead of having to click on it?

[leaden hound]

yea selecting a key is not it lol

[hearty aspen]

Firefox doesn't support WebHID if that's what you're asking

[proper cairn]

Currently yes. Downloadable build will be coming, probably in a day or two

[real cliff]

ty, was gonna say hope i dont get shafted because i use firefox lol

[nocturne stag]

[hearty aspen]

In regards to this

[nocturne widget]

Thanks for taking my feedback for the FN lock key colour changes

[bold smelt]

I'm not able to assign any keys under Rappy Snappy on google chrome, 60 HE

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Like this

[proper cairn]

Click the keys

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They don't show up

[hearty aspen]

It's weird that while the FN key is down, keys not assigned in the FN layer as simply ignored, instead of using the keys from the normal layer. It didn't always used to be this way. (And Razer keyboards also still have this behaviour.) Maybe a toggle?

[hearty aspen]

?

[bold smelt]

lol sorry

duh

[hearty aspen]

Yeah would be good if you could just press the key instead lmfao

Clicking them is a bit weird

[nocturne widget]

This has been a thing for a while, I don't mind it and I assign keys I use along side the function keys manually like Enter

[hearty aspen]

Realistically I'd have to re-assign every key because I press the FN key to trigger media actions

I do that "asynchronously"

What a waste of time this was

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Wootility v4.7.0 (Rappy Snappy) Beta Feedback

[tranquil echo]

first i tryed to drag and drop the keys to the option ... maybe you want to implement this aswell ... nice 2 have

[nocturne widget]

On second thought, the key lock still turns off the RGB on the key instead of the same colour as FN lock, is that intentional?

[steady ore]

I updated my wooting 60he but I cant see any option for rappy snappy in the advanced settings

[nocturne stag]

https://beta.wootility.io/

[tranquil echo]

advanced keys @steady ore

[steady ore]

oh damn thx guys

my bad

[nocturne stag]

You need to use web software until they add it on desktop version

[hearty aspen]

The Wootility is my favourite Osu! cheat

[hearty aspen]

What exactly do you mean? You can change the colour that is shown when a lock is on by dragging it into this circle?

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Are you using RGB Layers?

[nocturne widget]

Ah, never mind, that was me being stupid

My RGB layer for FN was deleted

[hearty aspen]

Actually I don't understand the behaviour of the Fn lock at all

I can't disable the Fn lock lmfao

It's just on now

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You press the key that you have the binding on without Fn

[hearty aspen]

Okay yeah that makes sense

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but in general, it's kinda garbage and it's better to use the Toggle Key

[hearty aspen]

Why can't I assign an Fn lock key on the main layer?

and why is the Fn key only white when I press it while Fn lock is on?

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Wootility v4.7.0-beta (Rappy Snappy) Feedback

[nocturne widget]

Ok, not sure if this is what I asked for, I wanted the key lock colour to persist throughout use and not just appear under the RGB layer

[plain wave]

That is partially a bug in a way, it's a bit annoying that it cannot be used in conjunction with RGB Layers rn

[plain wave]

It's restricted like that cus usually it won't do anything on the main layer. But I guess if you've locked in to an Fn layer, you could use it to lock back. Colour behaviour you describe seems normal?

[nocturne widget]

I see, I do like the FN colour inheritance but I would've preferred if the key keeps the colour when activated throughout the layers

Instead of just turning the RGB off

Appreciate it though

[hearty aspen]

Do you guys have a user manual?

If not, maybe try writing one to force yourself to consider the logic of features like that 😛

but yeah I guess you can use the RGB profile to have it like show different things while the FN layer is active (which I guess includes FN lock)

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We're well aware of the Fn Lock behaviour being garbage, we don't need a reminder 😛

[steady ore]

so snap tap in contrast to rappy snappy inputs the latest key press even when both keys bottom out? or did I understand it wrong? cause then snap tap seems much more beneficial for tacfps movement

[hearty aspen]

If I can issue another suggestion/bug report: Should this button not copy the colours from the currently active layer? It seems weird that it creates a black layer.

[hearty aspen]

"Rappy Snappy monitors the 2 selected keys and activates whichever key is pressed down further."

[steady ore]

yeah but when both bottom out they cancel each other

snap tap doesnt, right?

[hearty aspen]

idk, I noticed the Razer Huntman V3 Pro firmware reports a value that looked an awful lot like a "priority"

[steady ore]

I find it very hard not to bottom out the left key while im pressing the right key and vice versa

[hearty aspen]

which is partially based on how far down the key is pressed

but also how recently you actuated it

anyway, that's me reverse-engineering proprietary shit 😛

[hard tulip]

snap tap compares the latest inputs from the chosen keys where rappy snappy compares how far down a key is pressed i think

[steady ore]

so my assumption was right

damn

[hearty aspen]

but I don't understand, wouldn't you want pressing both keys fully down to result in no movement?

[steady ore]

nah I want the key that im holding to be ignored when im pressing another movement key

[hearty aspen]

I guess I have to plug in the Razer keyboard and try to compare how it behaves

[steady ore]

cause this actuation point jiggling without bottoming out feels very bad

to me at least

[hard tulip]

snap tap is easy to use rappy snappy has a learning curve because most people will bottom out the key resulting in the keys cancelling eachother out which will feel like rappy snappy isnt even on...

[steady ore]

I wouldnt say it has a learning curve but snap tap just being better and more consistent. I havent had a huntsman v3 pro tho

If it behaves like I assume it does

[hard tulip]

true

if u bottom out your keys its going to be really hard to use rappy snappy tho

but yes i agree

snap tap

is

way more consistent

[steady ore]

yeah I wont get rid of years of muscle memory to bottom out when I hold a key

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#⏬│rappy_and_snappy

[steady ore]

my bad I didnt know there was a seperate chat

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No worries. This thread is mainly intended for Feedback and bugs. General discussion is for #⏬│rappy_and_snappy 🙂

[hearty aspen]

I fail to see how to enable snap tap on the razer keyboard lmfao

[steady ore]

perhaps firmware update? and are you on huntsman v3 pro? cause thats the only keyboard that supports it

wont type anything thats not regarded to wootility beta

[hearty aspen]

I think I messed up my test on the Wooting keyboard, so I will re-record this now

[steady ore]

this is very nice

[true shore]

@hearty aspen Can you make a comparison video of razer vs wooting on valorant?

snap tap vs rs

[hearty aspen]

I don't have valorant and I'm not particularly interested in installing a rootkit

I have to say tho, Wooting's approach feels more responsive, at least in this kind of "test situation"

Razer's "priority" system tries to be a bit more intelligent, which I think actually works against it, because it's hard to predict how it will behave

but idk, maybe it does end up actually anticipating what you "mean" to press in a "better" way ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true shore]

Got it, thanks

[hearty aspen]

re-upload because I forgot to cut the video enough

also you see the Razer approach somehow moves my character backwards even tho I am not pressing S at all

[pure crypt]

it tells me that the beta thing is not supported on my device? I tested both firefox and chrome, does anyone know the issue?

[hearty aspen]

You probably need to update the keyboard firmware?

[lofty wedge]

@ashen mulch #1260992123705229373 message this was partially true before yesterday’s update. You can now specify the secondary actuation point of DKS thus making RT with DKS an extremely powerful option.

[pure crypt]

Already done

[nocturne stag]

DId you update firmware and wootility ?

[steady ore]

yeah how does that happen LMAO. But you should post this in the other channel I think

[pure crypt]

Wait nah I'm stupid, it opened on firefox

on Chrome it works

ignore my stuff

[ashen mulch]

DKS still doesn't work with RT, you have to explicitly set DKS' actuation points

[lofty wedge]

It doesn’t currently but would work great if ever implemented.

[left crown]

DKS and RT are basically counter intuitive to begin with

[lofty wedge]

No they are not.

0.1mm actuation point of DKS, 0.5mm secondary actuation point of DKS. RT with DKS would make DKS’ first and secondary actuation point dynamic but with a consistent distance between them.

If a key is pressed to 1.5mm and released to 0.9mm, then pressed again from that point it’d activate DKS like you would normally.

It’s not counterintuitive and actually a great combination.

Very powerful.

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Maybe too powerful

[lofty wedge]

You understand what I mean?

[true shore]

Yes, that would be insane.

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It's the first time I've heard a compelling argument for DKS and RT to interact with eachother. Although, I feel like I'd need to try it out in action to get a proper understanding of the approach

Though, I'd prob need to understand it fully first to be able to implement it

[lofty wedge]

It’d only be useful if you press deeper than the secondary actuation point but since many do, I think it wouldn’t be too powerful, just very useful.

[lofty wedge]

Actuation point: 0.1mm.
Secondary actuation point: 1mm.

It’s a GIF btw, if it doesn’t play automatically.

[river vigil]

I'm encountering this strange issue

Whenever I swing right, I am swinging either right or left Holding D or A respectively, When I swing holding D then press A and crouch to move left to slow me down faster and continue as a moving target I am like glued to floor

But when I do it the opposite way, I am not glued to the floor or stuck.

[river vigil]

And obviously I have A pressed down all the way, So it shouldn't be causing this issue

Has anyone else experienced this? I don't believe it's to do with my switches but I will gladly remove / swap them out.

[nocturne stag]

does that happen without rappy snappy

[river vigil]

I only started experiencing it after updating

[hearty aspen]

try unplugging and replugging your keyboard?

[river vigil]

Yah I have

[nocturne stag]

try without rappy snappy

[river vigil]

It doesn't happen without it

I have been fine till update

Super weird

Let me get a clip

See how I am swinging right then holding A and Crouch and then I am glued to the ground

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[paper topaz]

So I've been encountering an issue with key inputs dropping or randomly holding down even if I dont touch the key. It started happening after the update & setting a Rappy Snappy binding, and it does not seem to be related to calibration.
Sometimes I also press a key and it doesn't react, then after a second it starts holding the key down suddenly

I couldn't really figure out any source for this issue, it seems to just generally happen

[nocturne stag]

let me try

1min

[river vigil]

Go to where I did it, Same place

[nocturne stag]

so you press D to peek and then A and ctrl

[river vigil]

Correctly and hold

To move in the opposite direction

To crab walk

It's very meta right now

[nocturne stag]

its fine for me

[supple ether]

Goddam donk slide

[river vigil]

Bro you legit can't do it with rappy snappy, Lol

[inner fiber]

do you have tachyon mode on with rgb

[river vigil]

Or maybe it's just my keyboard. But this wasn't happening before

[inner fiber]

might not be related but also might be

[paper topaz]

nop

[nocturne stag]

when i do this with rappy snappy i go left slowly with crouch after I hold A and ctrl

[paper topaz]

I t also happens without rappy snappy btw

[nocturne stag]

Im not stopping like you

thats weird

[inner fiber]

is it a specific key

[paper topaz]

all of them

[river vigil]

It doesn't happen all the time @nocturne stag

[inner fiber]

well uhh

thats concerning

[river vigil]

It's a very specific movement

Did you go to where I was on mirage and try to replicate?

[paper topaz]

its so hard to type if sometimes random keys appear and i sometimes it eats the backspace input

[inner fiber]

idk how to help you with that tbh

[lofty wedge]

Check Analog Monitor maybe? See if it shows up there too.

[inner fiber]

try turning off tachyon and see if the issue still occurs

or recalibrating (just in case)

[river vigil]

I just did that for my issue ^

I am having the weird key presses as well

[paper topaz]

I dont use tachyon and recalibrating doesnt change anything

[inner fiber]

erm

brb

[nocturne stag]

Am I doing it correctly? @river vigil

[river vigil]

Hold down CTRL and A and Crab walk more to the left each time

Idk maybe it's just me do you have tachyon on?

Let me try with tachyon mode on

[nocturne stag]

I have tachyon on yes

[proper cairn]

Please keep this thread for ONLY feedback and bug reporting. For general discussion please stick to #⏬│rappy_and_snappy

[proper cairn]

@plain wave when you get a chance please take a look at this

[river vigil]

I think Tachyon mode may have fixed it

I think it will fix your issue as well @paper topaz '

I had the same issue

[lofty wedge]

Check Analog Monitor, that can narrow it down @paper topaz

[paper topaz]

I do not use tachyon mode nor would it make sense to fix it really, either wy it'd be a bug that has to be fixed

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What firmware version were you on before?

[paper topaz]

I believe 2.7.x, didn't update to 2.8

[nocturne stag]

💀

[river vigil]

@nocturne stag Weird though because I never had this issue before ever. Thanks for the help

[plain wave]

It's probably something with the scanning changes that were done in v2.8, rather than being something specific with v2.9

I'll follow up in DM, as I've had other reports of similar symptoms, but I haven't been able to nail down anything concrete as to why it's happening in those cases

[slender pecan]

my rappy snappy seems to not work at al, is anyone having a similar issue? Any fixes or suggestions?

[nocturne stag]

hold your D key and then slightly press A, does A work?

[opaque kraken]

Does rappy snappy works on analog inputs or its only for digital profiles? I cant get working RS on analog profile. Thanks

[brave sun]

I am trying to install the rappy snappy beta but my wooting does not turn on for the update? An error occurred while completing the update, it turns off says step 3 out of 7, then asks for it to be accepted in my browser but wooting does not turn on and says error occured?

[lofty wedge]

Unplug replug, happened to me too.

That resolved it for me. I had to restart the update process though.

[brave sun]

ive done it a bunch but still hasnt fixed it. even changed ports

[lofty wedge]

Did you select it in the browser pop up?

[brave sun]

doesnt pop up because the keyboard doesnt turn back on

[lofty wedge]

Unplug, replug. Start the process again and click the popup fast.

Let me know if that resolves it

[brave sun]

na it still doesnt appear in popup

[lofty wedge]

It does turn on?

[brave sun]

it turns on then off, then by the time it goes back on its on the error screen

[lofty wedge]

If you close the wootility tab

then replug, then open wootility again?

maybe that works

[brave sun]

nope

[lofty wedge]

No pop up?

Resetting then trying again? I’m not sure 😅

It’s different than what happened to me.

[brave sun]

the popup happens but still doesnt show my keyboard

[lofty wedge]

I think you have to click in the popup on something

I don’t remember what it says. Maybe Devices or something

then your keyboards shows I think

if you’re using chrome

[brave sun]

yea i click on the popup and the keyboard doesnt show

in the popup

like there arent any devices

[lofty wedge]

Can you send an ss?

[brave sun]

um its hard bc the keyboard is off and win + shift + s is how i sc

but the dialog popup box just has no devices in it

[lofty wedge]

picture is fine too

[lofty wedge]

Hmm

[brave sun]

it like times out too fast

cause eventually Wooting Restore shows up? idk if thats the right thing but

[lofty wedge]

Try it maybe?

[brave sun]

i did but it was already on the error page

[lofty wedge]

I don’t know if it’ll help if the board is off

[lofty wedge]

You can use wootility normally before you tried updating?

wootility web*

[brave sun]

yea

everything else works

just not this update

[lofty wedge]

Very odd

If you just go to wootility, maybe you cna reset the board then try again? Safe your profiles first though if you don’t want to lose them.

[brave sun]

where is the reset? Reset all keyboard settings?

[lofty wedge]

In settings under about I think?

[radiant ocean]

Hey guys, i have noticed an oddity with rappy snappy

If you press for example:

A to 4mm
D to 2mm

then it will take precedence and send A

If you press A to 4mm and D to 3.9mm, same thing

but if you press them both to 4mm, it will begin sending both, so there is a deadzone where the inputs cancel each other out and you stop strafing unintentionally

If i do the same thing mid-actuation, such as having both keys at 2mm, then it WILL only send A or D, never both.

thinking about it a little i'm not really sure how to best avoid this.. maybe prefer the key which is moving downwards most recently in the edge case of both keys having the same actuation?

You can work around this (skill issue) by just raising the key that you dont want by at least 0.1mm but i quickly noticed it and ID'd on closer examination

[brave sun]

i just reflashed the device and same issue :/

[lofty wedge]

Yes, this is how it was implemented intentionally. Rappy Snappy was supposed to launch with a last input priority SOCD option for when both keys are at the same depth but due to the controversy Razer’s Snap Tap feature received it was removed (temporarily?).

[lofty wedge]

Wtf!

I’m not sure what else there is to try honestly. Maybe a different browser?

[radiant ocean]

I heard mention of that from the wooting twitter, but where did that controversy happen?

Also, i am curious what the difference is between only one key being sent when both are at e.g. 2.5mm, and BOTH being sent if and only if they're both at 4mm.

Wooting rappy snappy prefers the oldest key i think unless the new one exceeds its depth

[brave sun]

I DID IT

i went to a new tab when the popup menu was open

[lofty wedge]

How??

[brave sun]

and waited

for like 20 seconds

and then went back and it still was open

and then it paired

[lofty wedge]

LOL

[brave sun]

basically delayed the error timeout

lmao

[lofty wedge]

That’s so weird

[brave sun]

is there a way to test rappy snappy without opening a game lol

[lofty wedge]

Yeah, in Wootility there is an input tester.

You can see the inputs there.

It’s under Advanced Keys

[brave sun]

oh sweet

[brave sun]

i hope its temporary

lmao

[lofty wedge]

Yeah same

[brave sun]

its not like its aim bot

and u still need to practice the strafe

its just easier on this keyboard

[radiant ocean]

Honestly it seems equally strong to me sending only the oldest input at 2.5mm+2.5mm, as if it were sending only the oldest one at 4mm+4mm

but i am not breaking some game with this i am just using it for more comfort on WoW lol, most people in the high end there don't know or care about a good keyboard because it's more of a decision making game

[lofty wedge]

It happened on Twitter.
I think the board differentiates between bottom out and anything before that, if that’s what you mean.

[lofty wedge]

Yeah

[radiant ocean]

anyway feels good thx wooting

[brave sun]

Did u do a workaround?

[radiant ocean]

No, beta wootility worked for me straight up

[brave sun]

does it make u stop when both are pressed at exact mm (not at bottom)

[radiant ocean]

No

if you press A to 2mm and then press B to 2mm, it continues sending only A

When you press B to 2.1mm it sends B instead

[brave sun]

Gotcha

So why do people think Razer’s is cheating?

Isn’t it the same

[radiant ocean]

It's just the behavior changes at bottom out, but the solution there is just lift one key by 0.1mm so it's not really a big snag, just noticable

i don't know why people would consider it cheating either way TBH

it's better translation of brain to game, but so is a lightweight and essentially latency-free wireless mouse like the g pro wireless release and the massive shakeup in the mouse scene with it.

everyone was like "woah that's a good mouse" and they all use them in the pro scenes now, not "that mouse is cheating"

[lofty wedge]

Razer is the first, Wooting is the second (not 100% accurate as keys at the same depth aren’t both active unless it’s at bottom out but you get the idea).

[radiant ocean]

That is a bit more broken indeed

[brave sun]

I honestly have no idea which is better

[lofty wedge]

Yeah, if anyone can choose between time or depth based SOCD they’d choose time everytime.

[brave sun]

I guess Razer? Slightly faster

[lofty wedge]

It requires less precision, thus less skill.

[lofty wedge]

Time based SOCD is better if it’s allowed.

[brave sun]

did wooting ever mention it could be added

I don’t think either is “not allowed”

But that’s me personally

Like how would games even ban that

[lofty wedge]

Yes: #1260987595563864216 message

[lofty wedge]

It can be detectable but I don’t think many games would bother.

[brave sun]

damn I hope it’s allowed lmao

yea, I don’t think it’s game breaking

Like u can still be terrible at a fps

and just like better sensors, clicks, etc on mice. This keyboard is just better

[lofty wedge]

It makes pros and new players more consistent whereas Rappy Snappy takes skill

[swift viper]

can someone help me with wooting one?

rappy snappy is not showing in wootility web

[lost sage]

did you try clearing cookies and hard refreshing?

[left oyster]

are you on the beta website?

[lost sage]

also that of course

[swift viper]

i followed the link

from discord

[lost sage]

https://beta.wootility.io/ so this one

[swift viper]

i already disconnected my keyboard

[lost sage]

but did you try clearing cookies and hard refreshing

[swift viper]

how did you do that? magicman!!!! thank you so much

[lost sage]

[swift viper]

😆

[lost sage]

i sent the link from the discord

[swift viper]

thanks again man

[lost sage]

no worries

[swift viper]

the link i followed did not point me to the correct output hahhaha thanks again!!!!

[hollow atlas]

You could maybe add a popup on the normal wootility to redirect to the beta when opening the website maybe saying something like "try new features on beta" or "try out Rappy Snappy" or something like that.
Just an idea though, it might not make much sense because of something I don't know.

[hearty aspen]

it's in beta because they don't have in-house testers or translators, so we do the dirty work for them, while they can pretend like the feature is already released, even tho the finishing touches are just happening now

[tranquil echo]

lol. nice trolling

go buy a razer keyboard

they even mentioned on-stream that they're testing rappy snappy in-house for several weeks already... but you know better.

[hearty aspen]

I own several. I also own several Wooting keyboards. Actually more Wooting keyboards than Razer keyboards.

[tranquil echo]

so what?

you're still talking nonsense

[hearty aspen]

I'm neutral, sorry if my text doesn't quite convey that, I try to represent what I believe are the facts in a neutral manner.

I certainly can't blame them for not having like 30+ translators on staff.

But I do think it's a bit meh to release a feature to the public in a beta state

[tranquil echo]

you dont have to beta test that feature

and translation for what .... 2 sentences?

really?

use google translate ... takes 2 seconds to translate it to 200 languages

[hearty aspen]

More like 35

Also Google translate can't possibly consider all the context

[tranquil echo]

still enough to use this feature

[hearty aspen]

For example, many languages have different formalities, and Google translate tries to be as formal as possible whereas the Wootility is generally written informally

[tranquil echo]

whats your point? do you have a problem with the beta feature ... or a problem with translation. i dont understand your current problem tbh

[hearty aspen]

Who's to say I have any problem

You seem to be the one with the problem

[lofty wedge]

That’s one way to put it 😅

[proper cairn]

As has been mentioned before, please limit conversation in this thread to ONLY bug reporting and UI/UX feedback

[wise lion]

pain rappy snappy beta doesnt have debounce firmware :(

wait I upgrade to get rappy snappy then downgraded to debounce and I still have it?

[abstract forge]

We have a dedicated person that does bug testing before and during Alpha.

The point of a beta is to expand the scope of people using it and thereby unique problems that can occur that we simply can’t test or catch.

It’s releasing it to a larger control group before releasing it to hundreds of thousands more.

Phased feature release is an alternative approach to this, but comes down to the same.

[eternal shard]

i just tried this and it works for me as well! woo

[raw spire]

omg this is amazing simon this makes snipers so much faster

[gloomy bear]

Mannnn I move faster and more consistently when strafing with A and D in Valorant with rappy snappy on it feels like cheating a bit in game. This was so worth the wait!

[lament spindle]

what are your rapid trigger and actuation point settings ? just curious im testing out stuff too atm

[river vigil]

So my issue is not resolved

Came back

When I counter strafe freom D to A and then press CTRL at the same time it stops me and doesn't keep moving

Has only occurred since my update to rappy snappy, I deleted Rappy snappy and still tried same issue

[river vigil]

I have tried, New Switches, and original cable. No fix

[river vigil]

Seems to only happen with CTRL + A, I swapped Duck to Shift and did shift + A no issue.

[plain wave]

You've discovered that the debounce firmware sneakily included the rappy snappy firmware side changes 😛

But I'll make a new one properly based off of 2.9 so you don't get restricted by the UI

New test build live now for ye 😁

[wise lion]

Thank you :)

[radiant ocean]

how do we get this?

[lost sage]

https://beta.wootility.io/?test-builds=true

[river vigil]

Yah def something with firmware

I went back to 2.7

works fine

[radiant ocean]

Not sure of best channel to post this: I'm having an issue on v2.9.0-test.debounce.2

the problem: When pressing a button down, say "a", partway down the actuation it suddenly actuates like 6 times instantaneously.

This is happening with rapid trigger set to a press/release of 0.5mm, but not with 0.7mm.

It's gamebreaking on things like osu! because ghost actuations cause wrong timing inputs and sliderbreaks, it also causes random typing glitches ("rapid trigger" will come out as "raaaaaapid trigger" with ~the same physical input) so it forces a larger rapid trigger distance to prevent it

[river vigil]

I wonder if this is the same thing causing my issue for CTRL + A

Where it just glues me to the ground like I am not even pressing A

I reverted and no issue

[west magnet]

after beta update SignalRGB seems to be bugged in a way that only top left buttons actually work (picture below)

reinstalling app didnt work and it only applies to SignalRGB (wootility works as it should)

[hearty aspen]

It's possible that the Wooting RGB SDK needs to be updated on the app as they made a breaking change in the protocol (for ARM-based boards, at least).

[west magnet]

i think you might be right

it looks like it has a problem with detecting certain RGBs

[wise lion]

can you replicate this in analog monitor and send a plot

[wise lion]

Also does it happen on 2.8.1 debounce 2

[radiant ocean]

how do i run the .gz

[wise lion]

it should be an exe?

[radiant ocean]

the one that i found from searching is .tar.gz

[ashen mulch]

tar.gz is an archive

[wise lion]

check @

[radiant ocean]

Oh that was weird lol. Had to extract the .tar.gz and then extract it again afterwards

now it's exe

[wise lion]

yes

[ashen mulch]

Yup, first it's tar which packs all files into one package, then gz, which compresses it

[radiant ocean]

It is not doing it now, i will take another look later xd

thanks

[dense wraith]

Any ETA on the beta update for Desktop Wootility ?

[nova gate]

works good so far, im just not sure if i should keep rapid trigger at 0.15 or go to a higher value it doesnt feel much different (but i guess if you already good at counterstrafing on low values it wont make a big different). On the other hand if I go for higher value on rapid trigger small site steps are not that easy anymore (just tapping A or D many times to slice a pie around a corner without jiggling) but happy you released it and guess at least me need more testing to get a comfy with. thanks @plain wave keep that good work up

[gloomy bear]

I'll send you my code to make it easier but here it is. 2163a11618c6122ad942113e72a0ad7d38f2

@lament spindle This is what I use

[dense wraith]

Is this the Desktop Version of Wootility?

How did you get the rappy snappy beta ?

nvm found the web address on the top

[wispy hearth]

Can you record and show a video of the problem that can help

[plain wave]

Not sure yet, possibly today, possibly next week

@hearty aspen check out the flow for adding Advanced keys again on the latest build 👀

[gloomy bear]

This is wootility beta website

[gloomy bear]

I got it from here #📰│wootility_updates

[lofty wedge]

Just curious, what switches are you using?

[hearty aspen]

Aww, you did end up pinging me for a change you made.
Yeah, I saw the strings on Crowdin. It's nice.

[radiant ocean]

defaults on the woooting 2 he, so 60's i think

[hardy pewter]

anyone has a problem where keys are not responding? WASD don't respond randomly and then my esc key changes to windows key randomly too.

[nova gate]

bro rapid trigger on every key and 0.1 actuation point does that works good? Is there a reason you go for rapid trigger on every other keys too ?

[left crown]

Nope. In fact it can ruin your gameplay in games like Apex, where holding E is important to pick up your team mate

[old bloom]

all good, its easy to control when u get use to

in all sense's is easy

[river vigil]

https://beta.wootility.io/?test-builds=true

[marsh sun]

oh it was not just me?

ok, checked chromatics and also has the same issue, so it's not just with signal

[river vigil]

Nope

This is my issue, Still unresolved

[marsh sun]

@west magnet i tested a few firmware version and the issue with the RGB started on 2.8.0 or 2.8.1, had to revert back to 2.7.2 to get RBG to work correctly with signal

[marsh sun]

ok, about the rgb... https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-rgb-sdk/releases
get the zip from here and replace the wooting files in the signalRGB install forlder, they are the ones that are outdated

[river vigil]

@marsh sun is this a fix or something/

You think it could fix my issue of A sometimes not working or randomly cutting out

[marsh sun]

for the RGB yes

[river vigil]

you just dragged and dropped into the program files folder after update?

[marsh sun]

apps like chromatics yes, for signal will have to tell them to update it since they are using custom js files

#857036134118195212 message

here you go, they already fix it but not pushed out yet for some stupid reason

[river vigil]

I am lost so I am just going to go without using rappy snappy for now I gues

guess

Lol

[marsh sun]

you drop it on the wootting folder, under plugins, replace the old one

[river vigil]

My issue is my A randomly stops or when I press another key it stops working such as CTRL to crouch

Like the video above

[marsh sun]

oh, for me it was the RGB, for now it works fine, at least better than older firmware

[fossil quail]

Had an issue where any time I fully pressed my "A" key it would trigger my shift. Happened regardless of any features being on or off and persisted through a full restore. Only fixed once I reverted the firmware to v2.7.2.

[deft dock]

do you still use rappid trigger same time?

[dense wraith]

Will the Beta Desktop version be implemented soon with Snap-Tap in mind ?

[plain wave]

With SOCD coming, it pushed back the desktop builds. I'll try and get them going later in the week once any major issues are found and fixed with the build

[hearty aspen]

Why you keep misusing the term "SOCD"

#🤖│community_dev message

[hearty aspen]

Hmm, well done on the new SOCD feature (tho it should be called "SOCD Resolution" or something)

also funny because Rappy Snappy should be a subfeature of that, but marketing, amirite?

[lofty wedge]

They don’t see RS as SOCD handling. That’s why they wanted it separate I believe.

[hearty aspen]

I highly doubt that this is the internal view

but I suppose it's what they have to push for marketing reasons

[lofty wedge]

Maybe, maybe not. We can’t know for sure.

[hearty aspen]

Clearly they need to sponsor a company retraining where they explain the concepts of SOCD and SOCD Resolution Algorithms

[lofty wedge]

Minor bug(?) report, when RS or SOCD is added and you adjust its actuation point, when deleting, the actuation point stays at whatever was set. I think the actuation point override should be removed when deleting RS or SOCD, right?

[hearty aspen]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Hgo9k_0v4 the constant misuse of the terms is killing me

Can we get this option for "Snappy Tappy" as well?

Also, if you want my 2 cents about the naming of this shit: "Snappy Tappy" should be "Advanced Key > SOCD Resolution > Furthest Down".

or "SOCD Behaviour" I guess, given this label

[proper cairn]

Full SOCD options are intended to be implemented at end of key press within Snappy Tappy. However, on hold until we are sure that orgs won't ban SOCD, in a (probably vain) effort to differentiate the features

[lofty wedge]

If they do, will first input priority SOCD be removed from Rappy Snappy as well?

[proper cairn]

Let's wait and see how things develop over the next few weeks before making any statements

[hearty aspen]

What? Some of your options are already considered cheating in several competitive scenarios, so since when do you shape the availability of your features around some arbitrary third-parties?

[lofty wedge]

#1260987595563864216 message

[hearty aspen]

No offense, but you guys need a sociopath as a CEO

This all seems way too irrational and emotions based to me

You clearly made a wrong shot by first calling out Razer's SOCD feature as a cheat

Might be time to make an apology statement and clarify that you, too, "are focused on providing useful features yadayada it's up to the competitive authorities to decide what is allowed yadayada"

[proper cairn]

You're welcome to your opinions

[lofty wedge]

Agreed, I don’t like the doubling down on ST is a cheat either. But this channel is for bug reports though. 😉

[hearty aspen]

People can have bugs, too 🙂

[river vigil]

Can anyone assist me with my issue? I legit have times were it randomly stops pressing A and then CTRL Glued to ground. 2.73 works fine but when I update to 2.9 or 2.91 I get these issues

[nocturne stag]

did you make #1019755933959733258 ticket

[river vigil]

Just did

Thanks

[nocturne stag]

try @ simon in that post maybe he will help you later when hes done with SOCD and stuff

[river vigil]

Which one there is like 5000

lolk

Nevermind

[timber linden]

#bug report#
An unexpected error occured, please let us know about this through discord or email

#bug report#

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When attempting to replace a profile with SOCD

Profile in slot 4: 77c0053495533cdf2c22f2de38da65179c19
Profile to replace it: 93dd779cd7b386aef2d2c67c1f34fe9ebcda

[stiff temple]

Thanks for the detailed report ill pass this along

Also @plain wave

[mellow adder]

Hi guys! @here
We would appreciate your feedback on Rappy Snappy and SOCD! 🚀

Survey Link: https://forms.gle/vghg2Cit6BcKoZrh8
⏱️ Time: Less than 5 minutes

Your honest opinions, whether good or bad, are super valuable. Whether you use these features a lot or just a little, we want to hear from you. Every response helps us improve.

Thanks for being part of the Wooting community!

[uncut vine]

have question rappy snappy and socd what is differance?

[lofty wedge]

#⏬│rappy_and_snappy message (Razer’s Snap Tap and Wooting’s SOCD behavior are the same by default).

[hearty aspen]

That's not what was asked 😄

[hearty aspen]

Rappy Snappy is SOCD resolution using "furthest down"; "SOCD" has other SOCD resolution algorithms.

[lofty wedge]

A visual answer. 😉

[uncut vine]

both of you answer is help

[uncut vine]

its the same?

SOCD=rappy snappy?

[lofty wedge]

Not quite.

[hearty aspen]

Rappy Snappy is a SOCD resolution algorithm (furthest down wins)

The "SOCD" option has other SOCD resolution algorithms (such as "last input priority")

[lofty wedge]

SOCD (Last input priority) is last pressed key wins.

[uncut vine]

snap tap use last input priority right if i remember

[lofty wedge]

Yes.

[uncut vine]

right now i try socd on last priority but kind confution with this

[lofty wedge]

The last key you press will be the only one active.

[uncut vine]

if i a d

last key was d

basicly keyboard gonna use d active? only

[lofty wedge]

When both keys are bottomed out, both will be active with that option enabled.

[uncut vine]

ahhhhhhhh

[lofty wedge]

You can use just SOCD without that option enabled. It’s not for everyone.

[uncut vine]

i dont understand at all <sorry im not native english user> but i can read

oh

[hearty aspen]

I'm still irritated that this isn't an option on "Rappy Snappy"

[lofty wedge]

Because Rappy Snappy is not cheating and SOCD is basically cheating soooooo 🤦‍♂️🥲🤮

[hearty aspen]

you're just saying bs now 😄

[uncut vine]

so incase if i a d my movement will really stand still like i dont use socd or rappy snappy?

wait

i will post optimum tech video

sec

[lofty wedge]

I’m joking. They find Rappy Snappy not to be SOCD and SOCD to be “basically cheating”. RS already using first input priority SOCD when both keys are at the same depth so it doesn’t make any sense.

[uncut vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feny5bs2JCg

[lofty wedge]

Yes, with that option enabled, if you have A and D fully pressed, you will stand still in most games.

[uncut vine]

1:30 min

so i have to turn it off?

i play game like valorant and csgo

[hearty aspen]

I'd rather Rappy Snappy report both presses (cancel out) when both are fully down. It's pretty useless to pretend to have SOCD resolution algorithm if it ends up being so aggressive.

[lofty wedge]

Depends what you like, the option is only for bottom out, so when you have A fully pressed but D only slightly pressed, only D will be active.

[lofty wedge]

#1260987595563864216 message RS was supposed to have that option originally but I think they’re probably waiting now to see if SOCD will be allowed for sure before adding that?

[hearty aspen]

Yeah, because of their blunder in calling Razer's thingy "cheating."

[lofty wedge]

Logic behind it all is farfetched anyway so I don’t really bother trying to understand it anymore.

[hearty aspen]

Whatever, not my company. I just weep looking at this mess from the sidelines.

@ calder how much for buy 51% shares in wooting?

[uncut vine]

it feel werido if i turn this off

[lofty wedge]

I wonder what kind of offers they’ve gotten.

[uncut vine]

in valorant

but my movement feel alot move to other side

[lofty wedge]

LOL, I like it on too because it’s very useful but not everyone.

I think it depends on how you normally strafe.

[uncut vine]

its imposible to play operator in valorant

;-;

i really dont feel that at all because i play on 0.1 and 0.15 sensitive

but vandal and phantom will be so fire if i turnfully prass off

[jade sage]

ive been getting a lot of double input on the spacebar on any of the firmwares newer than 2.7.2. is this a known issue?

[wispy hearth]

Yes known issue i have same .have you dl the beta 2.9.0 test debounce 2 firmware? this one fix double input on spacebar i have with all firmware after 2.7.2

[unreal venture]

how can i get the alpha version?

[celest acorn]

i have the same issue with the G key, snap tap on beta firmware is too good to not use, so i'll deal with it, hopefully next alpha fixes debounce issues and adds snap tap 🙏

[wispy hearth]

the beta 2.9.0 test debounce 2 firmware already fix debounce issues and have snap tap

[celest acorn]

2.9.0 test debounce 2 breaks my A and W key, they don't register 💀

im just gonna stick with the 2.9.1

[wispy hearth]

sad

[static gull]

what did v4.7.1 change

[fluid rapids]

i cant find the update

would anyone know how to find it

[hearty aspen]

you mean https://beta.wootility.io ?

[whole knoll]

Hello i testet today all day the new socd feachure in apex, valorant, cs and i got some issues. I had the wotility software downloadet and i change sometimes some settings but with the browser its not that comfortable because in the wootility software there is no socd funktion and also i cant change the tick rate in the browser software. My issues: as a apex master player i can tell that when i enable the socd in https://beta.wootility.io/ i had problems with my dynamic keystore buttons, i have superglide bind as a dks and after i enable the socd i just couldnt superglide as before, it worked only like once in 5 times it feels like it just doesnt register sometimes. but i had no issues in valorant or cs, and as a eu radiant peek 700rr i can tell that its acctually uselles for valorant because this game is not ment for counterstrafe or ad spamming. in cs its acctually good but i preffer to counterstrafe manually because im more used to it. I hope that the aocd and all other feachures gonna be addet in the wootility software.

[swift viper]

the Alternative Full Pressed Behavior has some issues? i pressed a and d bottomed out, and it favors the D button, i pressed the a last. so im going right with both keys bottomed out.

[lofty wedge]

What switches do you use and did you try recalibrating?

[swift viper]

its the oldest

wooting 1

i did try 0.8 actuation and 1.5

so basically it seems that when you spam, a and d, it just couldnt take it, and it will just register d if you bottom out both.

i noticed that if i fully pressed A and press D then it shows that i released the A key even if i haven't , is this a bug? im checking it in tester

[hearty aspen]

I may be totally wrong here, but it might be worthwhile for you to get HE replacement switches since the original ones are optical so the analogue "pressure" detection is kinda worse

[lofty wedge]

To get a new board is what you mean?

Magnetic switches aren’t compatible with an optical board.

[hearty aspen]

Ah, that's what I feared

Wooting don't have any HE TKL (past & present), so...

What's poor Nteng supposed to do

[lofty wedge]

I assume so, probably a firmware thing but it could be that the switch gets stuck too and can’t reach bottom out (I don’t think that’s likely here though).

[lofty wedge]

Yeah 😭

[lofty wedge]

80HE almost but not quite TKL.

[eternal shard]

any word on when the debounce beta will be updated with SOCD?

[nocturne stag]

afaik 2.9.0 test debounce 2 has SOCD no?

[eternal shard]

it has rappy snappy available for me and i can see the SOCD option but it's greyed out. i'm unsure whether that's on my end but i can try resetting while on 2.9.0 debounce to make sure.

[inner fiber]

wouldn't v2.9.1-beta.0 (the current version) have the previous test version features? that's what they normally do, have you notices issues with it?

[wise lion]

i believe 2.9.1 has debounce

[mortal kindle]

Can I use Rappy snappy with analog? And socd with analog or no?

[hearty aspen]

What does "analog" mean to you?

[mortal kindle]

This

[hearty aspen]

I don't think you need firmware-level SOCD resolution for gamepad mappings because games usually handle SOCD with that more gracefully, as they do know which key you are pressing down further.

or, in the case of the sticks, it's subtracted from the final axis values (X & Y)

So, you effectively already have (and had, for a long time) "Rappy Snappy" on any analogue input-ready application

[pseudo moss]

SOCD and rappy snappy are not available after latest update for me does anyone have a fix?

[hearty aspen]

https://beta.wootility.io

[pseudo moss]

thank u

[wintry warren]

hey I found two bugs on about wootility, the first one is that whenever I go on wootility browsers version I do not have socd nor rappy snappy option, I discovered that the only way for it to work is by going in the socd presentation video and take the link in the video description *screenshot below that compare both you can see that the advanced key doesnt have the new icon

[smoky flare]

currently rappy snappy & socd are only available in beta wootility web. your first screenshot shows that you're in normal wootility

[wintry warren]

if they want to separate it, doesnt the beta version should be on the main site? only way that I managed to get it was in the description of the ytb video

because 99% of people will just go on their site to get the software

[smoky flare]

its in #📣│announcements as well but i see your point, thats fair.

[wintry warren]

yeah I was confused why 1 time socd was there and why after it dissapeared took me 30 minute to realise

also when I import a config, the config name is not aligned with the hitbox screen below and when I load the config software crash, (ill try it on browser version in 5 minute, screenshot is from software)

just did it on chrome, config not lined up

it then created this config randomly???????????????????????????????

how is that even possible

anyways if any dev read this and has any question feel free to dm me :)

[jovial cove]

Does anyone have an issue where you'll hold a key (ex. W) and it will stop getting picked up? Think of a driving game and it randomly stops accelerating.

[hearty aspen]

maybe you have rapid trigger enabled?

[jovial cove]

It's never been an issue on the previous build

[hard jackal]

I heard there will be a big Wootility update soon. Will it be 4.7 or 5.0? Since 4.7 is already in beta, but doesnt seem to be that big.

[nocturne stag]

5.0

[hard jackal]

Great, thanks

[hard jackal]

I want to put ÖÄÅ letters for Mod Tap, but it seems impossible to do. Could Wooting team fix it?

Particularly on these three keys

[hearty aspen]

I think these are tied to your Windows layout, no?

[hard jackal]

Even when I had nordic layout and tried to put öäå keys in mod tap it registered them in the left down corner but didnt want to put then in the mod tap box

[sly spruce]

bug with SOCD (could be the entire beta itself):

When i use SOCD (A:D binded), on occasions the D key will stop working. The only resolution to this is factory resetting the keyboard with the top right and bottom right key method. It’s not a hardware issue because after factory resetting, everything works as normal and then i try SOCD again, for it to work for a bit and then when i turn my PC on again it starts to have the issue mentioned

[blissful flare]

seems to be a bug where i can use my FN shortcuts on other profiles when i change to them

i can use the print screen on the profile that doesn't have an FN layer to it

[ornate flower]

Hello friends, I would like to ask which of the RS and SOCD features is more suitable for playing Valorant?

[hearty aspen]

I think SOCD: Last Input Priority is what you want because it means you can e.g. press A while D is still down and it will disable D and press A instead

[willow swan]

There is a weird bug in this version where the 'O' key sometimes continues to press itself even after I release my finger

[hearty aspen]

What's your actuation point?

[normal gate]

so through the research i’ve done, snap tap is more consistent and accurate compared to rappy snappy, will wooting implement faster or more responsiveness key strokes like snap tap? genuinely curious thanks to anyone who responds.

[lost sage]

could you post some links so they could figure out in which ways it needs to be improved maybe?

just saying "make it faster" is pretty meaningless

[normal gate]

yeah i understand, i wasn’t throwing shade towards wooting at all, im happy to send what ive come across but im happy to learn more.

[hearty aspen]

They did already implement "SOCD: Last Input Priority", which is basically identical to Snap Tap?

Also hello "MF JEWM", I recognise your name

[normal gate]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Feny5bs2JCg

from what i understood, which i could be completely wrong, SOCD is a last input priority code, while snap tap is different in its own way. the youtuber also did a controlled test in a later video comparing the two and latency was different. razer snap tap coming out on top compared to socd. if i’m wrong im happy to learn, like i said love wooting and my 60he.

[hearty aspen]

He's comparing Snap Tap to Rapid Trigger in this video

[proper cairn]

Please keep this thread dedicated to bug reports for the beta update, discussions can be had in #⏬│rappy_and_snappy

[normal gate]

mb

[kind nymph]

Hold A then spam D works
Hold D then spam A not works

[ashen mulch]

That is on Rappy Snappy, which detects which key is pressed deeper
Try the same with SOCD Last Input

[hearty aspen]

Shouldn't it suppress the input in case of a tie, tho?

[lofty wedge]

It’s first input priority up until bottom out, then both are active. This doesn’t look like a Rappy Snappy issue to me unless he’s hovering A and D.

[willow swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095999685015113760/1274832224037896303/20240818_234218.mp4?ex=66c3af87&is=66c25e07&hm=0f7ee0073cfbe883522b87d03afb7e9cbaa14c5a2877ff75cc503d6d8d679893& By the way this also appears in different keys not just the one I showed

it's like that i am holding the key non stop

[wise lion]

is there a place where I can get a general information on the test firmware builds such as what features they add and or implement

[eternal shard]

i was also wondering about this as well

[jovial cove]

#📰│wootility_updates message

[bleak fulcrum]

https://wooting.io/wootility/changelogs
That's the best I could find when I was wondering myself

[hearty aspen]

Literally unusable

[cedar kindle]

bro im stuck with test firmware

how can i revert back to stable build

there is no revert button

https://tenor.com/view/fade-emoji-funny-gif-25240293

[wet laurel]

try wootility.io ? not beta

or install other test fimware

[jade mortar]

so what's the new about 2.10.0 fw? any changelog?

[proper cairn]

How do you have 2.10.0

Isn't the latest public build 2.09.0?

Oh nevermind, I see that there's a test build out there... Ignore me

[wise lion]

yes :) I was wondering what 2.10 does it seems to not have any adverse affects

[cedar kindle]

fixed by restore through troubleshoot page

https://tenor.com/view/6-gif-16381305068971699117

[left crown]

https://youtu.be/ebJMoz_yvKY

lost a whole map, because one of the team members used Snap Tap

[lofty wedge]

LOL

Did ESL ever end up making a statement about Rappy Snappy and Snap Tap publicly?

[left crown]

Nope, but since Valve is against it the ESL and Faceit have to roll with that decision

[lofty wedge]

Oh I didn’t know that! Makes sense.

[wise lion]

Did someone take away “test-builds=true” ?

[hearty aspen]

It seems to be working for me