🔧│keyboard_modding

[glacial wind]

yeah like mark mentioned the funniest part of people trying to 'switch maxxing' is that even if they have the best technical switch it doesn't mean jack all if their keyboard isn't tuned for it

[quick finch]

There's sooo much stuff in the pipeline too, I recommend people tune into the next stream with Simon

[glacial wind]

you can put the best switch in the best keyboard and if your keyboard doesn't have the best curve and data for it then your switch being the best means nothing

[tulip rapids]

knob news?

[quick finch]

I have no idea what s if any are going to be revealed though

[quick finch]

👀

[chilly mural]

0.001rt people in shambles

[glacial wind]

if your goal is prioritising minimum physical wobble, going for owlab ti he is not the pick you want, but everyone already told you that already so not much more to say there

[past pelican]

what makes fluxes superior to the ti's? Are they smoother? I really dont get the hate asking ai what switch you should try next since most of the time it basically reads blogs and reviews. From a personal experience, saved me a lot of time from visiting 10 different blogs and having to read 30 pages to decide which one to get. Rly dont get the "AskInG AI foR SwiTchEs is sHiT"

[glacial wind]

because your AI doesn't have the info to answer

it's just making up answers

it's like asking it about what the best way to learn underwater basket weaving is

[candid bramble]

[chilly mural]

So with your logic, you should trust AI rather than doctor

[glacial wind]

no one is doing underwater basket weaving so it has no data to give you and just makes guesses that are wrong

[past pelican]

lmao. ok great

[chilly mural]

I mean, rather spend time asking AI than booking an appointment

[glacial wind]

if you want the bottom line for the question you are asking: The owlab ti he are physically less stable. Period.

no if or maybe. They are physically less stable, so if you don't want the flux for that issue, then owlab ti he are even less physically stable

[past pelican]

how come the AI doesn't have the info to answer?

[glossy pagoda]

I don't know the answer to that.

But that's what makes me answering better than the AI. The AI also doesn't know, but if it tells you that it doesn't know then you won't have a great experience with the product and you won't ask it something next time. So, it makes something up and blurts it out with authoritative zeal.

[glacial wind]

because no one is making the info. How big do you think the niche is?

I made a website and in 3 months i was the rank 1 source for wooting switch information on google and AI, and that website only had 2 pages

there isn't 1000 or even 100 people making good HE switch info

your ai bot is literally scraping videos made by teenagers and a couple blogs here and there and giving you an answer that it doesn't know is true or not

[past pelican]

Good point, obviously its not going to CT scan the switches for you. But most of the time, the information provided is correct not because the model is imagining how the switch would feel, but how the people that own the switch describe it on blogs/reddit etc. Personally, found it usefull for picking my milky yellows, akko/hmx cilantros etc. But that's me

[glossy pagoda]

On the other hand, Jed is an actual expert in switches and tests, evaluates, and communicates about them for a living. He can speak with authority because he's got the data and the experience to back it up

[tulip rapids]

literally

[calm pulsar]

if people said gateron jades feel great 5 years ago it doesnt mean they are the best switch now

[chilly mural]

You're stacking uncertainties with uncertainties. I already said, it randomly pick website to look at then randomly redescribe it.

[glacial wind]

i'm literally the source that your AI is pulling some of it's data from before i took most of it down. So you can either believe what we're telling you or go back and ask the AI again

[chilly mural]

Somebody could lit infect the result AI take to glaze a switch manu and everyone that only uses AI believes it until they look outside.

[calm pulsar]

lets all infect the AI with "raeds better"

[glossy pagoda]

It's possible to set up "agentic knowledge bases" through Shopify that are not visible to regular browsers but are used as input data into ChatGPT and Gemini. I would not at all be surprised to learn of a malicious use of that to poison the well. At best it's generally somewhat biased...

[glacial wind]

you'll be happy to know I asked wuque and they said they can send me a batch of both diamonds once they have enough for sound tests

[candid bramble]

they are making a diamond HE?

[glacial wind]

they're already out in china yeah

[candid bramble]

oh shit?

[glacial wind]

the western launch is just behind by a month or so

[candid bramble]

i wonder if i can find it on taobao

surely right

[glacial wind]

you can but it's insanely pricy right now iirc

very very limited amounts

[candid bramble]

new switch curse

gg

[glacial wind]

even worse, it's new mold and manu process

so they can't even make enough right now

[past pelican]

Great information, thank you. Will try the fluxes eventually but if they wobble, Jed will be to blame

[tulip rapids]

Sno if i send you a picture of a camera lens you send me 10 blue diamond switches (pom). Deal?

[glacial wind]

i mean if wobble maxxing is your priority just buy UFO then

they're not for me and i think not as smooth, but they are the least wobbly

[oak jewel]

By far the least wobbly switch I've tried

and I'm a wobble guy

[chilly mural]

【淘宝】7天无理由退货 https://e.tb.cn/h.ili8T7NiJ1CfA3l

[past pelican]

Trying not to go deeper in the rabbit hole but you're not helping

[glacial wind]

Your ai probably doesn’t have hands and 120 switches 5 feet behind them

[tulip rapids]

sony camera lens

[chilly mural]

Like $50 per 30 piece

[glossy pagoda]

When the RAMpocolypse hits switches next, you'll be a millionaire

[glacial wind]

only if it's a sony 28mm G 2026 edition lens

[calm pulsar]

when that happens I can envision some kind of cloud service from NVIDIA offering typing services for clients

[past pelican]

Not debating if AI knows more than you in this topic. But unless I meet a guy called Jed that tests switches for a living, my next bet would be AI

[tulip rapids]

My people will contact your people

[chilly mural]

Actually your best bet is wooting server and its people

[past pelican]

true.

[glacial wind]

that's the scary part. As someone who uses AI every day, people are way too ready to use AI as their 2nd source

it's not there yet, especially for niche topics

if you ask it about chicken recipes, it's great because it can cross reference 10000 chicken recipes

there are not 10000 sources for it for a lot of niche topics

[glossy pagoda]

Even if there are a handful of evangelists here... 😛
Especially those audiophiles

[oak jewel]

oh god don;t summon audiophiles

[chilly mural]

Not to mention how AI will be trained while having certain information be omitted

[past pelican]

hard to find keytok novas in EU 😢

[glacial wind]

gravastar has an EU website if you want ufo

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[chilly mural]

I am already here

[tulip rapids]

its too late

[young viper]

I was just about to pick up ufos, but those turbo tax jerks took 120 smackaroonies from me😭

[glossy pagoda]

You know they have to offer a competent free version by law, right?

[oak jewel]

audiophiles will talk about creamy trebbles and "fun" soundprofiles again....

[past pelican]

ugh fluxes sell for 38 EUR per 70 on ali. Would you say UFO's can justifiy the huge price leap?

[tulip rapids]

and now you're koi koi koi

[young viper]

It's the state taxes that get you. Cali.

[glacial wind]

up to you. There's a reason people recommended flux first - because price wise it's way more reasonable when UFO is not on sale

[past pelican]

I prioritize wobble and typing feel

[chilly mural]

Don't bring bad name into us. We're scientists, we look at multiple measurements and uses science/personal observation to spend on our next shiny cans... unless you're placebomaxxer

[sacred elm]

no

[young viper]

The cost to file federal taxes is like 40 and then cali is the rest. I don't believe they offer a completely free version anymore

[tulip rapids]

especially since you can't relube the UFO's without breaking them

[oak jewel]

i'm one of yous don't worry

[sacred elm]

Flux and UFO have almost the same wobble, but Fluxes are smoother

[tulip rapids]

"Make us whole again Isaac"

[past pelican]

Actually just checked, the price leap is not that "huge". Ufos are 70 per 65 compared to 38 per 70 for the fluxes. Still not worth it in your opinion?

[oak jewel]

Totally depends on your financial situation

[glossy pagoda]

"Worth" is by definition extremely subjective, that's hard to say for someone else

[sacred elm]

38 for 70 is hard to pass

[oak jewel]

Most people will say no, but if you do want the most stable then yeah UFOs clear imo

[glacial wind]

mark zuckerberg would say it's pretty worth

[tulip rapids]

till the lube runs out

https://tenor.com/view/evolution-lubricant-mad-gif-14065006

[past pelican]

i dont mind spending 70 for a pack of switches but if someone can make me spend 38 instead, knowing that the they feel pretty much similar on typing/sound and wobble why not?

Wobble feels similar, a guy said already so that's good

[oak jewel]

Whichever switch you go for, you won't regret it imo

[glossy pagoda]

I think if you had both side by side, you may be able to perceive a difference when specifically trying.
During gaming, or without the other to compare to, I don't think you'd be worse off with on or the other

[oak jewel]

Both are top tier options

[sacred elm]

Wobble is almost identical. I own both and UFOs definitely not worth the price. They're less smooth, factory lube is mediocre and they're impossible to open and hand lube

For long term Fluxes are better

[glacial wind]

this problem would be solved if you just bought 2 wootings and both sets of switches

that's what zuckerberg would do

[past pelican]

Really useful

[lapis badge]

the WS Flux?

[sacred elm]

yes

[past pelican]

Use jeff bezos as an example, zuck is wearing no name black/white/grey t-shirts, he is not that type of guy

[glacial wind]

ask yourself, what would batman do

[tulip rapids]

Random question if i want to make suggestions for upcoming founder perks is there a place where fellow members or I can make suggestions ? Or a voting system

[glacial wind]

feedback channel would be the spot

or posting that as a question/suggestion for a livestream if a certain founder happens to be an upcoming guest

or product lead

[tulip rapids]

when is the next live stream?

[glacial wind]

it's pinned in livestream channel named after the worst name ever

[sacred elm]

rappy yappy is fire name

wdym

[tulip rapids]

i see i found the thread

ty

[glacial wind]

it's so awful lol

[tulip rapids]

what would you name it?

[glossy pagoda]

Clack Shack, baby Clack Shack 🎵 🎶

[glacial wind]

anything but that, because right now it's an inside joke name that no one understands

[tulip rapids]

i see

[glacial wind]

it's the type of name everyone loves because it's funny but that no one who would want to know about it would be able to find or search

[sly palm]

I think mark's name is better

[chilly mural]

Wooting Asky Questy

[tulip rapids]

I vote for it to be change to Switchy Cantina

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-misc-band-aliens-party-gif-4813411

[glacial wind]

we do need to sort out the distribution properly though

cause right now it's still just all sitting in livestream tab which isn't great

give it another week or two and we should have it so the podcasts are actually uploaded to spotify/podcast services and there will be a separate youtube video uploaded with a cut version of it

[tulip rapids]

Calder forever wanting Vtuber Switchy to come to life

[glacial wind]

i believe calder or maybe kevin/someone in product side is probably up after simon, but podcast guest requests are also welcome in #1484558135195729920

[sacred elm]

I vote for the best leaker in the Wooting team

[glacial wind]

that would be calder

i want to do timestamps too, because right now the topics/questions are too buried in the livestream video

[candid bramble]

87 aud for like 30 of them

yikes

[glacial wind]

i like that you guys could literally get leak info like when is switch selector going live or when is next performance update coming and you guys asked all meme questions lol

simons the lead software person so he knows all the secret software info

[sly palm]

my question is no meme question

[trail magnet]

hey guys, has anybody tried the XVX IMD tech keycaps? the spiderweb/topographic looks sick. i wonder if they are good quality. and if anybody ordered directly from theiur website. how is their customer service? do they ship fast?

[shadow jolt]

what kind of profile keycap are compatible with wooting?

[chilly mural]

Don't need to ask for performance when it's performant enough

[glacial wind]

we're considering a sort of rapid fire segment where we take top 5 questions and he gets 1-2 mins to answer each one

[deep swift]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the TTC horse vs the noble horse? or is it the same

[glacial wind]

so if you want to know actual details behind things like how does auto calibration work or other technical details this is going to be your one stream of the year where you might actually get an answer

[sly palm]

I wanna know who is the most annoying in his eyes

[glacial wind]

same thing

noble horse is just different color basically

[deep swift]

oo okay, cuz its cheaper than the regular horses

[glacial wind]

it's their more 'simple' version without the limited edition numbering or outer design

but the switch itself for function is basically same thing

[deep swift]

R horses worth picking up?

[glacial wind]

they're great, but sound is personal preference

[deep swift]

Thats fair, $65 for 70 pieces. kinda pricey but tempted

[glacial wind]

you can listen to the sound test in database and decide for yourself, but i like the tone personally

[deep swift]

They def do sound nice thats why im interested. Just unsure if i should be getting more switches than i already have haha

Have yet to find "The perfect switch" for me

[tulip rapids]

sno have you tried the prism60 case

batch catch system and they give you fr4 and cf plate

[glacial wind]

haven't bought that one

there's a bunch of ball catch systems now

phoenix 60 is the popular one in china

i'm still using the cerakey ceramic case right now for my personal build, mostly cause it's interesting

probably will use that until my zoom64 arrives then use that for a bit

[sly palm]

you gonna use the knob?

[glacial wind]

you don't have a choice with the zoom

[tulip rapids]

you got pics of the phoenix 60? Dont see anything on google

[glacial wind]

it's only on taobao i think

i haven't seen it for sale not in china

[sly palm]

yea I know, I am asking if you gonna plug it or even make use of it lol

[glacial wind]

you don't have a choice

[tulip rapids]

the zoom case has a knob on it

[glacial wind]

it all goes into the one daughter board hub thing

it's built in, so you don't have a choice to use it or not

which personally i don't love, i'd rather just have no hub, but it is what it is

[sly palm]

oh, I thought you can leave it unplugged

[glacial wind]

i do think the drift grey zoom64 is one of the nicer looking cases out there though

if tofu 3.0 wasn't such a high typing angle i'd have been tempted to buy that though. Full copper bottom casings are always pretty

[young viper]

isn't that the 3d printed case or am i completely wrong

I'd love to get a tofu 3.0 if they ever would release the second batch😭

[young viper]

mb theres 2 different prism60's both marketed towards wooting

[regal patio]

They are available on the keytok and Toronto KeyboardMan website

I bought them directly from keytok

They should ship to EU

[young viper]

i believe they are on keybay as well

[robust pendant]

was doing research on keycaps and whatnot
what sets GMK stuffs apart from everything else

[tulip rapids]

Alu 3D print?

[uneven cradle]

Quality, legends, colour options and sound profile

[robust pendant]

hmm
i was thinking of their WoB but idk if the bump will be worth the $120 😭
should i just go for it

either that or the fabrik ones

[uneven cradle]

If you want wob you can get GMK mono instead it's a lot cheaper

[sacred elm]

Keykobo WOB is also an option

They're like $65 and almost GMK quality

[calm pulsar]

I have 4 or 5 gmk sets and one keykobo and I can confirm keykobo wob is also a great option

the way they mold the keycaps is the same as gmk, and the legends are just as cripsy

[robust pendant]

oh awesome, thanks

[chilly mural]

can confirm, keykobo feels pretty nice and look as good

[uneven cradle]

Yeah they are good, only differences are the texture of the keycaps and the spacebar sound

I gotta pick up some SWG sets to compare

That price

[sacred elm]

SWG Bolch is pretty nice

[calm pulsar]

bolch is such a good name

[chilly mural]

I might get swg red, it looks very classy and simple

[uneven cradle]

Need that neowell set when it comes out

[young viper]

Nah there's the Alu one you posted and a full 3d printed one with Alu accents it seems

https://togkey.com/products/togkey-prism60?srsltid=AfmBOoquGyrUvakzCfXOatRGVRvd_oRrTkO_a30AR40Z41YNzYbwJr9H

[silent wadi]

whenever i tighten/loosen these standoffs it makes the bottom out sound so different idk what to do

and its so weird cuz like when you tighten one screw it moves the one on the other side for some reason

[humble surge]

🛸 Phase 2 officially on the way

[calm pulsar]

aperture science keyboard is fire

[tulip rapids]

i found it on torontokeyboard man

[tropic urchin]

whose ready for that 20% discount referral maxxing

[tulip rapids]

You're too slow i got a link in my bio

referral code Boku 25% off

[chilly mural]

I'm still too poor from getting it lmao

Plus no board to put it on

[young viper]

grey ones?

[humble surge]

Yeah silvers, Ali unblocked powerpuff for my region again, so took some before they pull that again.

[young viper]

lmaoo

im heading to rei the same day the spring sale ends, so if i dont buy anything there im gonna pick up the silver as well

[humble surge]

Plan was to just wait for Oceans now, but with these news i jumped on these.

[young viper]

yeah, i dont expect to see oceans for awhile ngl

[humble surge]

They are already on sale, just not at a reasonable price. Main launch is 10th.

[young viper]

They are? guess i must've not seen them

I'm mostly excited to get my diamonds lol

[humble surge]

Ahm we even talked about it

[ionic breach]

kap vella i think is a good budget option for a clean look

other than that fbb is also solid value

[quick glade]

hey i want to start modding my keyboard how should i start

[ionic breach]

https://discordapp.com/channels/167181566978555904/1103459740186595399

[trail bane]

Gn

[thin flicker]

anyone know where i can get really high quality keycaps with black letters instead of that see through wtv

[young viper]

https://geon.works/products/gmk-black-snail

[thin flicker]

tyy

[alpine lynx]

guys

what does plate material change

stiffness?

[wispy wharf]

Sound and feel too

[analog reef]

stiffness, sound, feel

i.e. carbon fiber would feel harder, sound higher pitched, and result in a different bottom out sensation

[young viper]

I was gonna find @fluid ravine rant on plates and foams but apparently he's said the word plate over 1000 times😭

[analog reef]

awesome

[fluid ravine]

LOL

[sly palm]

son probably said the word plate more often than we both chatted

[fluid ravine]

more than 1000+ gyad

Plate in context

[sly palm]

I am kinda tempted to get the CF plate from Toronto keyboard man

[fluid ravine]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message here's my foam rant

[silent wadi]

final soundtest :D

[fluid ravine]

uh yeah idk where my plate rant is

[young viper]

I can't tell much of a difference between it and fr4 plates ngl, I only bought a cf plate cause I like the look of cf

[young viper]

We've almost reached the one year anniversary lmao

[sly palm]

I should get a white CF plate

[silent wadi]

yess i rly like cf plates

i used to not be a fan but now i love them

[sly palm]

I also should order these damn soju caps already and stop pushing it

[sly palm]

Your fav was Alu right?

[young viper]

Oh yeah there we go @alpine lynx

[fluid ravine]

yes

[young viper]

Titanium plate coming next semester

[sly palm]

@robust siren keybobo soju stripes are no longer in stock
But clear novelties are

I am going through emotions right now

Do I order (next 2 days) without stripes and cope with full blue? @robust siren @fluid ravine

[fluid ravine]

need whoite

[sly palm]

I would love getting white stripes

I could use my wooting caps for whoite

Well at least until I get stripes and pay to much for shipping

[cloud crane]

Add ABS, PBT, Nylon, PEI, UHMWPE plates too
/s

[robust siren]

get stripes

[sly palm]

They are out of stock

[robust siren]

wait for it

[sly palm]

But me scared novelties or spacebar or even worse.. the base kit will be out of stock

I could order stripes later on
Shipping is like 6-8€ for small packages- well it would be $6 for novelties only so I guess it won't be that bad

[calm pulsar]

thockson the d1 fr4 hater

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

HE FR4 hater

[calm pulsar]

(I only used fr4 in frog mini with benom so im just talking shit)

[candid bramble]

Alu all the way

[cloud crane]

Top mount alu unbeatable

[bright sparrow]

I love them, the typing feeling along with the sound is amazing, I think you will get better sound thock sound from them in a closed case since I'm using a clone of a holy60 and everything is exposed

[fluid ravine]

Top mount alu MX unbeatable

[candid bramble]

Oh how I miss my jane

[cloud crane]

You had a jane???

[candid bramble]

CE

[bright sparrow]

Hey @fluid ravine

[candid bramble]

One board I refuse to sell

[cloud crane]

Grail board fr

[fluid ravine]

Sup king

[candid bramble]

Kohaku make me went thur hell to get it

Jane make me went thur 9 layer of it

[cloud crane]

[candid bramble]

I haven't touched it since I built it

Its a alu plate west German vin cherry black

Soldered

[cloud crane]

Goated ngl

WEST GERMAN VINTAGE CHERRY BLACKS

[young viper]

I need tofu 3.0 to restock so I can top mount

[candid bramble]

I do not remember if they are diamond polished tho

As far as I remember they are broken in

[candid bramble]

Wait tofu 3 can top mount?

[young viper]

Yur

[candid bramble]

NO ONE TOLD ME TF?

[young viper]

You can top mount or gasket in it

[fluid ravine]

tofu 3.0

[candid bramble]

Wait is it a gb or?

Cuz I missed out fuck

[young viper]

Yeah first round is done. They said once they're delivered they'll do a round 2

[candid bramble]

I will definitely on the look out for a r2

Cuz tofu? Top mount?

[cloud crane]

Sad that it uses a proprietary daughterboard though

😔

[candid bramble]

If only I can mount a geon he pcb on there

It would be even more interesting

[cloud crane]

You can

[candid bramble]

? Isn't geon a soldered center port?

Or I am not remember something Right

[cloud crane]

Daughterboard

Wenom

[calm pulsar]

wenom by jeonworks

[candid bramble]

WENOM

ok i did not read that part\

i am stupid

[sly palm]

wenom

[candid bramble]

ok it fit rakka as well i might but as gore said 1 year shit customer support

[robust siren]

propriatary plate

[robust siren]

you wont be able to do much unless they offer universal layout plate or order a custom cut one

[candid bramble]

custom cutting a plate wont be that big of a issue for me

[robust siren]

you might get away with taking a dremel to an fr4 plate but i wouldnt recommend doing that to a cf plate

just delete the bottom row fr

[young viper]

they sell a plate for the rakka for the tofu

[cloud crane]

Also you need to buy the proprietary HE daughterboard for venom

[potent summit]

what are some nice custom cables that are compatibnle with wooting's speeds

[atomic veldt]

Hey im switching over from my modded 60he v1 to the v2 was wondering if I should stick with using the gummy o ring mount that I used on my v1 or if I should use the friction fit pad included with the v2.

Also does removing the PET film on the pcb make a difference?

[cloud crane]

https://wiredinstore.com/products/x-ray-cable
USB C to C version is recommended

[fluid ravine]

your choice on the friction fit with the oring

and yes PET film does change how the board sounds slightly

PET most of the time raises the lower end of the mids of the board

FYI if you want to use gummy oring, you need clip in stabs in order for it to work

[atomic veldt]

Does it make any difference between using the gummy oring vs the friction fit pad? Im assuming the same is achieved by using either but not sure if there would be any noticeable difference

[atomic veldt]

Oo gotcha i think im gonna remove then thank you!

[alpine lynx]

if i want a deeper sound do i remove it

[candid bramble]

xray.....

NOT AGAIN BRO

[cloud crane]

[fluid ravine]

Uh yes
Friction Fit Pad is a full block of silicone, silicone as a whole mutes the mids of the boards making it more snappy. But since in the v2 the alpha section is interchangable with poron, poron can lower the highs instead of the mids. Gummy O'ring wise, if you're not using any sound acoustic modifiers then you're basically just using the raw sound of your board.

im currently using a gummy oring in my v2 myself

[fluid ravine]

mmm it would depend if im being honest

[dark drift]

is a epomaker coiled cable compatible with the 60he v2?

[robust siren]

oh thats fire

rakka atlas comes with 2 plates tho

which one is it

[regal patio]

No

[young viper]

Idk, I think the thing with their plates is it offers mounting points for top mounting which the standard plate doesnt

[young viper]

Pet film basically adds a murky layer to your keyboard, instead of a clean pop, it's more of a murky one, people like to keep it for builds trying to get a deep and consistent sound

[robust siren]

rakka comes with the plate you choose (spacebar layout) with plate mount stabs and a seperate universal plate with screw in stab mount under the module

[young viper]

O

Uh

Mystery!

[robust siren]

i love gambling!

https://tenor.com/view/ratz-tamameme-tamadotmeme-tama-meme-tama-mart-gif-13423756404054395343

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[potent summit]

Anything cheaper ? Like $20🥲😭

[robust siren]

“you cant hear gifs”

nuh yh

[young viper]

😭

[young viper]

The only one in that range would be the ltt cable

[cloud crane]

WiredIn XX Cable needs to come sooner

[uneven cradle]

Shipping bout to be 💸

Hope vendors stock em

[potent summit]

I see, what if I don’t have 8k polling, does it matter then since wooting non v2 is 1k

[cloud crane]

I heard that a few vendors reached out to stock them 👀, not sure which

[candid bramble]

Fuck do I want to pay 81 buck for cable

But the xray cable is so nice

[cloud crane]

Nah get XX Cable for around 20+USD

It's coming soon

[civic mauve]

Does 60he v2 friction mounting work with holy60 or is it only tray point?

[glacial wind]

It can friction fit yeah

I had one friction fitted for awhile

[past pelican]

Morning everyone!

@glacial wind JED, do you see anything sus in this? Im about to pull the trigger on the Fluxes. Product information says the manufacturer is Gateron tho. I was thinking that this is maybe generic/copy-paste on listings or this listing is indeed a Gateron manufactured switch named Wuque Fluxes. Did you have any experience with these?

[glacial wind]

they probably just listed it wrong

it's not made by gateron

chinese translations always get things mixed up

[past pelican]

My mind translates this as being a knock-off wuque switch produced by gateron and thus selling on ali for super cheap (39 per 70 switches)?

[glacial wind]

there's no such thing

cherry switch store is fine, they're a legit store

knockoff switches are insanely rare and only made for switches that are easier to clone

no one is making a wuque flux clone to this level, it would cost them more to make the mold and everything vs just making their own switch

[past pelican]

Good to know! I appreciate your help, many thanks.

[sage flicker]

I use Gateron Jades atm, about to install Outemu Silent Peach Magnetic Switches though very soon. I am just trying the new beta wootility out, is there a best switch I can pick that can replicate the Silent Peach?

ok I just pick any with same travel distance

[glacial wind]

just using lekker setting with spacer is fine

silent switch won't be super accurate anyway so best you can do is just get it showing distances right and that's about it

[sage flicker]

or like Gravastar UFO because it also has 3.5mm? Then I use spacer setting afterwards? Why do I need the spacer setting anyway, I can see the distance when I bottom out.

[sacred elm]

Use Lekker v1/v2 option (same as auto calibration) for silent switches

[sage flicker]

ok thanks.

[bronze flare]

is the gateron milky yellows any good?

[sacred elm]

Just another Jade Pro type switch from Gateron, nothing special

There are better switches nowadays

[regal patio]

They are basically cheaper recolors of the gateron jade pro's with a worse spring

Not worth it

[bronze flare]

ohh

[past pelican]

Hi! Just saw this, so there is a pink hue to every colour projected?

Should've asked before ordering tho hehe. Does this mean the DC flux is going to make white pinkish?

[glacial wind]

Yeah there’s slight coloring with any colored housings

you can compensate a bit by changing the led colors but you’ll always have to be aware of certain tint based on housing

[past pelican]

Hmmm this ruined my experience with cilantros and rosewoods in the past. Is it like super noticeable? I tried some astrolinks today from a friend and they didnt affect the rgb even tho they are blue-yellow

[glacial wind]

it’s noticable yeah but most people in modding don’t care much about rgb

if rgb is a big thing then probably ufo grey or ttc horse are better ideas

[past pelican]

Same applies to Owlab ti's?

I might sacrifice the superior sound/feel of fluxes for the rgb if its untouched. I also liked how the astrolinks feel on the wooting, pretty good switch

[oak jewel]

novas are probably fitting your criterias the best then

ranks highly on the stability scale and are translucent

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fLM6VyCMIcc

[past pelican]

Thank you Alex, indeed i've seen some videos but unfortunately I cant find them anywhere in EU

(nor ali)

[glacial wind]

Keytok nova is way more expensive

I’d probably try out ttc horse if you can find them in Europe for not too crazy pricing

[past pelican]

these are even pricer than the ufo's 😮

[past pelican]

Honestly, given the rgb thing with the fluxes, im leaning towards the ti's or the astrolinks. What is your opinion in them? I have an idea now on astrolinks but rly dont know how the owlab compares. Is the rgb affected on the owlabs?

[urban ingot]

The UFO don't change RGB. Even the purple ones.

The LED diffuser is clear and light doesn't seem to pass through the housing itself.

[past pelican]

The owlab?

The dc fluxes apparently affect rgb as stated before

[urban ingot]

They change the color of RGB. The housing is brown, the diffuser is basically part of the housing. But with them being brown, it more just mutes the colors.

I don't run full RGB, I actually don't like RGB, but I have a little backlight of as close to white as I can get. My issue with the Flux DC, is I can't do low light white.

[regal patio]

You can get keytok nova's on the keytok website for around 1$ per switch with a discount code

[past pelican]

I mostly use low white too that’s why I think the fluxes wouldn’t work for me.

[regal patio]

I love them

[urban ingot]

The Novas are my favorite by far.

[regal patio]

They have very good stability and RGB

[past pelican]

Probably not worth it because I’m in eu. Taxes and duties will be a headache

[regal patio]

I'm also in EU

And got them for around 1$ per switch

[past pelican]

Hmmm can you give me a link?

[urban ingot]

The Nova feel, sound and look the best to me. Kind of the best all around currently on the market. Though all 3 of those are subjective in terms of "best."

[past pelican]

Stem wobble ok? Also are they clacky?

[urban ingot]

Very low stem wobble. They're a muted deep clacky, almost in the realm of going toward thocky.

[regal patio]

They are almost thocky In a foamed up build with a PC/POM plate

[urban ingot]

Even with my FR4 plate in my 80HE, they're damn close to thocky. I got a bit of foam in it though. Got the FR4 plate with the foam and also used the PET switch film.

[past pelican]

Any sound tests? Sounds interesting. Tho I didn’t like rosewoods that were thick king. Too dead for me

[glacial wind]

Owlab ti are less physically stable than the other ones we recommended, which is why we haven’t recommended them since you said stability is your goal

Just get ufo or ttc horse if you want to max out your rgb and call it a day

I’m not sure where astrolinks suddenly came from from your picks, you can get them if you want but most folks would recommend other things

[past pelican]

Basically, talking about stability, isn’t it hard to beat hmx? That’s why I thought astrolinks would be good. And they were. Perhaps you could tell me which of these two, astrolinks or owlabs are more stable?

UFOs are a safe choice but expensive nonetheless

[oak jewel]

It does seem like you really want us to tell you to get owlabs

[past pelican]

Hahaha I promise not (okay maybe a little)

[glacial wind]

Not really, there’s tons of stable switches. Hmx are fine but hard to beat is something no one would say

[past pelican]

Seriously I want a stable switch without affecting rgb and available easily in eu.

[glacial wind]

They’re budget cheap switches which is fine but they’re not going to be a highly recommended pick nowadays

Honestly we’ve given you the recommendations already, if you want owlab over what we recommended then just get them

Nothing we can do besides repeat the same recommendations we’ve been giving you

[past pelican]

But how are the owlabs stability compared to the astrolinks? (Or you haven’t tried them)

[glacial wind]

I’ve tried basically every switch at this point

The owlab switch is fine. They’re good but not as good as any of the ones on our stability recommendation

If your goal is stability literally no one here is going to say owlab to you, but buy what you want at this stage

[past pelican]

I mean still not answering how they were to you compared to the astrolinks. Don’t want to be rude but I would like ur feedback between these two

[glacial wind]

That answer is regards to astrolinks

Owlab are not a stable based switch. They’re a nice feeling good sounding switch but not particularly more stable

[calm pulsar]

I think astrolinks stability is better than owlabs, but they might affect rgbs and sometimes are almost too tight to the point some people had issues with spring noises

[tropic urchin]

Wasn’t just the noise

[glacial wind]

Astrolinks would be more stable than any of the non stability focused switches

[past pelican]

Hmm okay, rgb wise they were fine tested them today, no tint

[tropic urchin]

It teeters back and forth like Polish aim in CS @calm pulsar

[glacial wind]

Everyone is just going to tell you to buy the switches listed here based on what you want so I don’t really think we can help you much at this stage

If you want astrolinks buy astrolinks

It’s interesting how his ai recommendations is always roughly 3-6 months behind what gets popular

I wonder if in a few months it’ll swap to saying ufo and ttc horses if we put out a few videos on it

[magic forge]

Anyone know which Gravastar kB has the UFO switches ?

[glacial wind]

Probably want to ask gravastar that? Surely they list it in their specs

[magic forge]

Crazy lol I was just thinking about the UFO switches

[urban ingot]

You can get just the switches directly from Gravastar. They don't seem to be as expensive as before from other retailers as well.

[magic forge]

True I only got 10 last time cause they were pricey

One of the many switches that just hits different.

[urban ingot]

I mean they're not the cheapest you'll find. It comes down to if you're willing to pay the price for a premium switch.

[glacial wind]

They were $50 for 85 last aliexpress sale

Just have to catch them when it’s sale period

[magic forge]

50 USD ?

[glacial wind]

Yeah

[magic forge]

Offt

Sounds about right

Oh well only gonna use a few keys anyway

[humble surge]

Jamal you can find them from PowerPuff store on Ali for the cheapest rn

[magic forge]

I'll check it out soon

[magic forge]

They look amazing too with the lights but who knows what the next best switches will be ?

I regret buying alot of Jade's lol

Then they released Jade's 2 and etc etc so never buy full

[fallen pecan]

the gravastar v60s both pro and non pro come with the ufos

speaking of jades

[glacial wind]

Jade 4mm I guess

[cloud crane]

Nylon 4mm 🤤

[tropic urchin]

They should be looking forward and not backward

[humble surge]

Probably diamonds, Ocean type, but we will see.

[urban ingot]

I'm really hopeful for the Diamonds.

[little glen]

the long awaited sequel to abysmal dogshit: abysmal dogshit 2

[regal patio]

It looks like an invite to a cult

[regal patio]

Also why are they looking back and not forward

[tropic urchin]

Because Gateron isn’t a real company

[regal patio]

It's a retro switch

[tropic urchin]

They’d rather sue TTC than innovate

Would be funny if Wooting made a patent for 4mm technology and sued Gateron for fun

[trail magnet]

hey guys. trying my luck asking again. has anybody tried the XVX IMD tech keycaps? the spiderweb/topographic looks sick. i wonder if they are good quality. and if anybody ordered directly from theiur website. how is their customer service? do they ship fast?

[oak jewel]

those?

pricetag should kinda tell you what you need to know

so probably on the cheaper side, not great

but if you like how they look, go for it

[trail magnet]

yeah, i like how they look. pretty sick....but quality does matter to me. i heard they use PBT, so i'd assume it should be decent at the very least? also, 30-35$ doesn't seem all that cheap for keycaps ;o. wooting's pbt keycaps cost about as much, if not less and they are pretty good. i'm really hoping to get an opionion from someone who uses any of these keycaps

[tropic urchin]

Most of the higher end sets (PBTFans/GMK) will be in the $80-100+ camp. I’d expect them to be alright, but I wouldn’t set the expectation too high. Typically you get what you pay for

[trail magnet]

well, since wooting's pbt keycaps cost about as much, does that mean they aren't considered that good either?

[obsidian oasis]

what if i unscrewed stabs on my keyboard and now my spacebar is broken

[tropic urchin]

Depends on the vendor and how it’s made more than the default material, but it’s fine for the price

[obsidian oasis]

sticking

[tropic urchin]

I’m also not a fan of PBT generally, but I’d get those if you like the design over the expectation for them to be high quality at its price @trail magnet

[trail magnet]

i see... i actually asked about GMK keycaps before, and heard they are generally overpriced and ain't worth it for most people. i suppose ill give those IMD keycaps a shot....i doubt i could get a response from someone who owns them. i just hope that at the very least they will be as good as wooting's pbt keycaps. consistency and feel is what matters to me the most, and wooting's keycaps feel good enough for me

[tropic urchin]

For cheaper keycaps you generally want to buy the vendor (due diligence research on the vendor), the topographical ones are decently rare here since most either stick with default or go with the lower cost entry into higher quality caps (PBTFans/Keykobo for ABS or pay the GMK tax if they love the set).

As long as you set realistic expectations you should be fine with them, hopefully it turns out the way you want it 👍

[trail magnet]

thanks! much appreciated! 🙏

[tulip rapids]

Hello I'm lonely single mother looking for switches to help me win my matches in valorant. Chatgpt says raeds are the best sounding switches

-- are they lube?

[regal patio]

Try the creamy, clacky and thocky gateron jades

[tulip rapids]

from stopciting.com ?

[regal patio]

dontstopcitingai.com

[tulip rapids]

idk chatgpt says the raeds are the juiciest clocky cream clickie in the HE market

they also said g502 is THEEEE mouse on the market

[past pelican]

hey, you still got the link for keytok novas EU shopping?

[tulip rapids]

@regal patio AI would never lie to me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cool-ai-funny-on-a-palm-gif-15889850975462118146

[regal patio]

It sure wouldn't

I would trust Elon Musk with my life

[regal patio]

Just search their website

https://www.keytok.com/products/nova-switch

Use code: KEY20

-20% off

It gets the nova's close to 1$ per switch

[calm pulsar]

max thinking max thocking max bestest

[past pelican]

Good deal but greek vat will slap the sh** out of me. I once ordered a 150$ thing from USA and the taxes and duties were like 60 EUR

[regal patio]

then buy something cheap from ali

UFO's, UR ice ultra R2

[past pelican]

Ufos is a strong contender. 76 EUR with express shipping sounds good

[lyric nimbus]

when are diamonds available in the US again

[tropic urchin]

4/10?

[calm pulsar]

I saw 10th somewhere

[tropic urchin]

Counting down the dayz

[calm pulsar]

reminded me of the arma 2 dayz mod times

[glacial wind]

Oh I should write this as a poll

[chilly mural]

Spacebar Spacebar Spacebar

fits aesthetically plus easier on the thumb

[glacial wind]

I'm curious to see what people prefer, because I was having a discussion internally regarding profiles

[chilly mural]

secret fourth choice would be spacebar knob spacebar

[lyric nimbus]

im probably gonna get like

ocean heart

over cullinan

[sly palm]

talking about space bars, i've ordered the soju spacebar kit + novelties
gonna order the base kit + stripes as soon as stipes are back in stock

[candid bramble]

Secret fifth choice

10u space bar

[chilly mural]

ah yesh, the S P A C E B A R

[regal patio]

No split spacebar

Hate that thing

You have to pay so much more for every keycap set

[candid bramble]

Tbh split space bar is not that popular

[sly palm]

good arguement 😭

I still like my split

[candid bramble]

The only case I would use split if it is a Alice board

[chilly mural]

this is enthusiast we're talking about, few message above lit about paying $200 for a set of switches.

[glacial wind]

I'm curious because I was discussing why we don't include 1.25u spacebar profile in any wooting sets, and the reasoning behind is for compatibility to other keycap sets and so people can more easily tell difference in the keys, but that way does come with certain downsides of it's own

[chilly mural]

I don't think extra $30-50 is that much more in comparison

[glacial wind]

it's extremely popular for a non normal layout actually

20% is very high vs old enthusiast split users

[candid bramble]

I mean as a non normal layout sure but don't think it that's popular no?

[glacial wind]

the stats were public during our launch

it was 20-22% during launch for split buyers

and was on the rise before we stopped public reporting of the stat

[candid bramble]

20 out of 100?

[glacial wind]

yes, that is what 20% is indeed...

[candid bramble]

That's kinda surprising

Thought would be a lot lower lmao

[glacial wind]

what I did find stats wise is enthusiast are awful at predicting what is popular lol

[chilly mural]

We just need a popular tiktok clip of somebody using split spacebar expertly to reach top 100 and it might be 30%+

[marsh saffron]

[glacial wind]

every enthusiast mech person predicted like 1-5%

mostly because i think they don't really see gaming usage and were basing a lot on normal split usage pre wooting

[sly palm]

split spacebar is kinda niche, but I like it
I wouldn't be suprised if the number grows in the future

[glacial wind]

once you use it for gaming you understand the benefits though, at least for certain games

[trail bane]

frrr

[marsh saffron]

Im debating about it when I get v2 pcb

But idk if my xray set has the keys for it, + I would need to change where I rest my thumb

[candid bramble]

Idk I never really use split in a normal keyboard

If were ortholinear, split(like half and half split keyboard) and Alice sure

[tulip vortex]

do people enjoy the split bar i havent seen a ton on it compared to the normal but i ordered it anyway

[candid bramble]

I just thought it would not be that popular

[glacial wind]

it's one of those things once you use it for gaming you understand why it's good

especially for fps games with wasd movement

[candid bramble]

Idk personally my thumb placement is too far in the middle I just can't go back

My thumb would be on the edge of the space bar lmao

[glacial wind]

i'm curious though, you voted for spacebar - r4 -spacebar, why?

it sounds like you don't use split at all

[marsh saffron]

Same mine would be in-between the keys on split

[candid bramble]

Sb r4 sb is the current split config right?

[marsh saffron]

Idk if I could adjust for that or not

[sly palm]

someone might still have a preference even tho not using it I would say

[glacial wind]

on wooting? or on mech?

[candid bramble]

Cuz if I were to use split I feel like that layout would be comfy

[glacial wind]

on mech it's spacebar spacebar

on wooting it's spacebar r4

[candid bramble]

Erm I read it wrong

I think

[sly palm]

honestly, I like the split even out of gaming. especially cuz less off sounding big key

[glacial wind]

you voted for r4 middle too. Is it cause you're used to it?

or another reason?

i'm trying to understand the reasoning so i can talk about it in future video

[sly palm]

I like it cuz I can better tell where my thumb is
and it somehow feels pretty comfy

[glacial wind]

interesting

i wonder if it's a 'i got used to this version' thing

because i've tried all 3 layouts and all 3 you get used to eventually lol

i think version 2 with the spacebar - r4 is useful at first but worthless later, but i can see how new to splitbar would find it handy for them to be more different

[sly palm]

don't think so, I am using this for less then 2 months (about 1 month) and used normal space my whole life, tho the r4 1.25 felt pretty nice from the beginning

[candid bramble]

The last time I use split is like

My thumb were sitting on the edge of the space bar

But if I do use a split I feel like the current split is like quite good

Some learning curve but idk

[glacial wind]

yeah i think that's what I mean though, you haven't tried the other way i assume?

[candid bramble]

It's 5 am I am yapping

[glacial wind]

i think people just voting for whatever they started using first

the tricky thing is I don't think many people have tried multiple versions of it, so it'll just end up being a poll of whichever you used first and are comfortable on now

[sly palm]

not yet, don't have a keycap for it. it's also pretty hard to find a sb 1.25 key

[candid bramble]

Yea you kinda have to buy a extra sb kit

[glacial wind]

yeah the spacebar 1.25u only comes in a limited amount of sets

[candid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gato-gato-meme-cat-meme-cat-exploding-gif-17959402814759052079

[sly palm]

also not in every keycap set
soju comes only with 2u and 1u

[glacial wind]

sadly i think it'll stay that way

[lyric nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-katti-catti-catty-kat-gif-18600036

[candid bramble]

Wait gg I don't think dmg have it

[fluid ravine]

Wooting 7u wen

[candid bramble]

I don't even know if I can get a space bar kit

[candid bramble]

THIS

7U SPACE BAR WHEN

[sly palm]

10u first

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

almost no one does. It's just a few gmk sets, wuque sets, some tutkey sets that I know of that have 1.25u spacebar profile

[fluid ravine]

[chilly mural]

In any case, I wanna knob cause spacebar knob spacebar is what I really want

[fluid ravine]

Oh yh what happen to knob

[glacial wind]

what i found personally is once you get used to the different versions, I prefer both r4-r4 or both spacebar

[lyric nimbus]

15u spacebar

when

[candid bramble]

I want a button my keyboard that give me water

[glacial wind]

because you don't need the different feeling to understand the different keys after your muscle memory is already set

[chilly mural]

even if knob is only comes in black (and hopefully white), pretty sure there'll be a way to add a 'hat' that makes it nice to press and spin around

and that can be of different color

[glacial wind]

I think sander is putting the update video live later today so you'll get a knob update later today probably

[tulip vortex]

where are people getting some nice keycaps that arent super expensive?

[glacial wind]

depends on what you mean by not super expensive

[sacred elm]

@tulip vortex stop changing the name to whatever that is

[fluid ravine]

Shafie alive

[tulip vortex]

like 30-40 ish?

[candid bramble]

@sly palm

[glacial wind]

30-40 ish you're looking at FBB then or clones

[sly palm]

also, what a I mean with comfy is, how my thumb rests on that r4 key. that's something I can't explain but my brain do like

[glacial wind]

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1104999245

[fluid ravine]

Car preparing for take off

[glacial wind]

i think it's comfy to whatever you get used to

after going back and forth a few times, the other way feels uncomfy for like 2 weeks, then it's comfy once you've adapted, then if you go back it feels uncomfy again

[tropic urchin]

The application gonna come sooner than that

[glacial wind]

eventually you just get used to how that spot feels and it feels 'weird' to be on other profile

[fluid ravine]

[tropic urchin]

Aka never comin

[candid bramble]

I love 7 u so much

[sly palm]

not really, it feels better than resting on a default spacebar. it's like the key is perfectly shaped for my thumb
probably me being autistic

[tropic urchin]

🥀

[glacial wind]

weirdly though i'm on r4-r4-r4 right now just because I'm stresstesting the cerakeys which don't have other options

[fluid ravine]

7u is just beautiful

[glacial wind]

r4-r4 felt really weird for about 3 weeks because it was so different for entire row

now it's whatever since i've been using it for so long

[uneven cradle]

I think I need some more keycaps

[glacial wind]

hopper is a 1.25u spacebar profile enjoyer i'm pretty sure

since you have the set for gmk with it lol

[uneven cradle]

Yeah it's pretty sweet

[candid bramble]

There is never enough keycaps

Ok gn keyboard world

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-gang-praised-gif-14847923944265501688

[regal patio]

You have like a thousand cat gifs

Where do you find them 👀

I have a gif roulette revenge plugin set up

With cat gifs

[lyric nimbus]

7 years of collecting them

[trail bane]

Gn

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/why-the-heck-is-him-so-eepy-eepy-eepy-cat-cat-eepy-cat-gif-4281304577049760745

[wispy wharf]

if my gasket feels stiff should I try installing thinner case foam?

[fluid ravine]

what kind of gaskets and what case?

[wispy wharf]

poron gasket, 80he zinc

[fluid ravine]

Uh yes usually filling the case and leaving less space for the module to bounce or flex can make it become more stiffer so your only option is to use now case foam or use thinner case foam.

Though it might not be ideal as flex can mess with the actuation. But if you do still desire some bounce in your board then yeah go for thinner case foam since poron gaskets are more compressible than silicone

[wispy wharf]

thanks

so the 80he gasket is designed to be stiff with the silicone?

[fluid ravine]

yes

although its gasket mounted via gasket silicone pad, its meant to be stiff to have minimal actuation errors

[tropic urchin]

Chat, we’ve gone back to alu plate

[fluid ravine]

hek ye

[tropic urchin]

In preparation for the blue truth

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-bike-cycling-cat-ai-gif-762566034623735329

Brother is cycling

[tropic urchin]

Bro just accused me of roids GGs

[cyan lark]

If you say natty I’ll believe. Plus you’re getting cut on that Muhle shii

[uneven cradle]

Not PP plate

[tropic urchin]

We got lots more to cut unfortunately

[desert jasper]

Yo guys! So I got my Wooting 60HE v2 on the way and I want to get some custom key caps and have found some I want to order. They got Nordic-ISO which is just what I need. But can someone help me understand how I make sure that the sizings of the different keys in the base set are correct for my wooting? 😄

I am planning to buy it from here:
https://www.keychron.com/products/iso-cherry-profile-dye-sub-pbt-full-set-keycap-set-white-mint?variant=41844695924825

[candid bramble]

most keycap have standard sizing

it give you extra key bottom row key as well

so if the size is not right you can just swap them out

[desert jasper]

Alright that sounds great 🙌 So there should not really be anything to worry about

Appreciate your help 😄

[ionic breach]

split or not split

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m still rocking Alu

Haven’t been motivated enough to try fr4 or cf

[desert jasper]

I did the not split 😄 Might go for split some day but for now I just want to try going from full size to 60% and learn how to customise and all that 😄

[cyan lark]

Split gang will still take you back when you’re ready

[fluid ravine]

Alu is da wey

would stick with alu
i have all 3 and personal preference and all i find alu the most unique out of the 3
There are some cases where CF can be like FR4 rather than being bright and in this case with venom yeah CF does sound similiar to FR4

[cloud crane]

Lowkey pbt plate might be goated

[fluid ravine]

i have yet to do more research on these plastic plates

[cloud crane]

Do more research

Quite a few GBs offering abs plates now, coz alu is shooting up in price

😭

[fluid ravine]

oh hell na

[cloud crane]

Just the state of the world

[fluid ravine]

[uneven cradle]

Yeah saw that with the kraze

[cloud crane]

Kent did say he's still experimenting which plastic plate to offer instead of permanently locking in on default pc I think?

[sweet oak]

Crunch

[wispy wharf]

Does anyone have favorite microcenter keycap sets?

I'm excited for my switches to arrive tomorrow

Do the deep clacky have a deeper sound than the tikkens?

[sly palm]

Key Kobo fakked my ass now
They made me get the last kit of Soju stripe cuz they told me they don't have plans to restock

[cloud crane]

SWG Classic Red
https://divinikey.com/products/swg-classic-red-keycaps

[wispy wharf]

PBT plate would not be very durable would it?

[cloud crane]

Not sure 🤔

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=126558.0
GMK Zero Sugar

[wispy wharf]

Are keytok caps any good

[cloud crane]

They are fine, not my first choice 😂

[sly palm]

Now I only need the base kit from sojus-

[cloud crane]

You can try getting em from keykobo official store

[sly palm]

That's where I got them

[cloud crane]

Oh lol

[sly palm]

They not planning on restock

So I just bit the bullet

And have 6,06€ left on my bank account

[cloud crane]

[ionic breach]

its a group buy

they cant

[cloud crane]

Time to get a j*b

[ionic breach]

holy white

[candid bramble]

hmmmm do i spend on hobby 1 today or hobby 2?

or maybe even hobby 3?

[sly palm]

That's what I am trying
Having a job interview on the 16th this month and having more job application on the way

[cloud crane]

Wishing you luck

[ionic breach]

do they really need gmk for that lol

[cloud crane]

Idk man

SWG

[sly palm]

They already did restock them once afaik?

[ionic breach]

yea thats r2 of the group buy

[sly palm]

Thanks

[sly palm]

Yea, so they can restock them if enough people want them

[cloud crane]

Soju R3

[sly palm]

Well gotta get that base kit the next days.. asked them how stock looks like and now I wait for a reply

Gotta put some money on my account first

[ionic breach]

each round is like one big order

if its gone they have to go thru like a one year process

[sly palm]

Yea I know, just saying a "restock" would be possible

[ionic breach]

yea ig

doubt a r3 is happening tho

[robust siren]

kkb sojus are the shit

[cloud crane]

Ishtar R2 soooooon

Feet keycaps lmaoooo

[robust pendant]

i've convinced myself that this spacebar sound is bad (it is) and i'm considering getting clipin stabs, though from what i've read online it sounds like a pain to assemble and test :(

idk if i can just fix this by filling the spacebar

[fluid ravine]

the left side is ticking

[robust pendant]

yea that's what i noticed

idk what causes it

[ionic breach]

ur wire aint straight

[cloud crane]

Get typeplus yikb or balance the wires

[ionic breach]

apparently a neo ergo cu is unlikely

tough times

[sly palm]

Fr- also they have an ample amount of the other kits, so I AM FINE

[cloud crane]

Copper is craaaazy expensive rn so yeah

😭

[sly palm]

Damn- I kinda feel that rush of dopamine after getting that stripes kit in my orders

First nice keycap set I will own

Now we sink deeper that rabbit hole

[ionic breach]

with the "promised data centers" having issues hopefull it will lower soon

[cloud crane]

[ionic breach]

but it seems like neo is just focusing on their main and cheaper line

[cloud crane]

Hopefully

[ionic breach]

oh yea speaking of

iran is bombing data centers lol

[cloud crane]

About damn time lol

[ionic breach]

inretaliation of drones using ai and stuff

[cloud crane]

Also not keyboard topic sooo

[ionic breach]

true, but i need mah copper back

[cloud crane]

Coppahhhhhhh

They took mah alu and helium too 😭

I want cheap alu platesss

😭

[sly palm]

Don't see a problem
This better general anyway

[uneven cradle]

Good thing I got my +84 order in

[cloud crane]

Me too

[cloud crane]

Lmaoooo trueee

[uneven cradle]

Gimme dat big fat copper patina weight

[cloud crane]

I'll just get a friend to do patina weight

Homemade patina smells better

[candid bramble]

Fourwrap perhaps?

I really want to try a set after you recommend it to me

Fourwrap or warp I don't remember

[calm pulsar]

so glad jabubix stays in general mainly

[cloud crane]

Fourwrap yes

[candid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-attacker-jumpscare-frog-jumpscare-boo-gif-1410553638666856648

[candid bramble]

But yea get yikb stab and just lube them and forget about it

Or balance the wire and relube them yourself

Don't be like me

I bought a set of stab out of pure frustration on the set of stock stab

It was skill issue on my part lmao

[cloud crane]

Fourwrapppp

[tropic urchin]

The world is a better place because of it

[candid bramble]

Haven't tried it yet can't recommend

Lubeless seem a bit too good to be true

[cloud crane]

Yeah I think it would be better to say that it is useable without lube, but better to have a thin coat of lube

[potent summit]

Someone help, for the friction fit pad can I also use the foam pad the pc plate kit comes with

Pc plate came with foam and silicone but I wanna use the friction fit

[ionic breach]

no

either friction fit or use foam and case mount

[potent summit]

Ohh I see but foam can be used w silicone and case mount riff

Right

[ionic breach]

no

silicone pad or foam pad or friction pad

[potent summit]

Ohh so the kit comes with both to let u choose

[paper bloom]

Yes p much

[kindred imp]

After using the Flux Deep Clacky for around a month, I gotta say these switches are amazing

I have a small question about keycaps. my hands tend to sweat a lot and with keycaps ofc at some point they become 'shiny'. Is there a material that overcomes this issue ?

[glacial wind]

pbt keycaps shine slower. Higher pbt content means less shine over time, but most brands don't publish their pbt amount

[kindred imp]

I see

Any recommendations on keycap brands ?

[glacial wind]

so you just kind of wing it. I've had some pbt keycaps that still have no shine to this day, and some that have shine like abs keycaps - it's a bit of a lottery due to the unknown percentages and formulas

[kindred imp]

I see ok good to know. cause I thought doubleshot pbt's were 'shine free' but after seeing some shine I thought maybe I now wrong

So good to know the reasoning thank you

I heard these brands
-Akko
-XVX
-YMDK

are these good/known ?

[glacial wind]

they're budget/clone brands

which is fine, but depends what you're looking to get

[kindred imp]

Would you have any recommendations on brands?

I want something good that will last me a good time

So I dont mind putting in a bit more money

[glacial wind]

for pbt, FBB on aliexpress if you want interesting designs for that 30-50 price range. Wuque Studio if you want basic 2 tone style keycaps for about $50-60 when on sale. PBTFans for that $60-100 range

[kindred imp]

Oh yea PBTFans I heard that one

[glacial wind]

osume has some nice sets for the comfy vibe

[kindred imp]

Is the price increase worth the quality (other than style and color)

[glacial wind]

tutkeys/80retros for another budget-mid range brand

quality wise there's not a big jump normally, but you pay for more designs and generally more consistent legend printing

[kindred imp]

I see okey. What about the effect on the keyboard sound?

Are they are relatively same thickness

[glacial wind]

impossible to tell you

nope

[kindred imp]

I see okey

[glacial wind]

some at 1.7, some are 1.5, some are 1.6 etc etc.

[kindred imp]

Is there a general rule of thumb like the thicker they are the more choncc the audio

[glacial wind]

There's no set thickness, but all of them are at least 1.5+ normally

[kindred imp]

or is it rng

[glacial wind]

yeah generally thicker is more deep, but if you only go for thickness your options will suck

[little glen]

gmk also has the mtnu line that is PBT

[glacial wind]

for example if you only want 1.7mm thickness then your choice is basically FBB and none of the others i mentioned

it's generally not worth worrying about thickness and just pick a design you like

[little glen]

i think those are generally believed to have higher pbt content but they are expensive, you might not like the profile and not super common

[glacial wind]

especially since the keycap sound will be different for every keyboard with different plate, switches etc

so if you start trying to thickness max your keycaps you're in for a wild time.

[kindred imp]

Yall are amazing thank you

can I order all of these from aliexpress?

the brands you just mentioned

[glacial wind]

fbb has an aliexpress store yeah if you want to start with them

the others are generally their own websites/vendors with sometimes having aliexpress stock/sometimes not

[kindred imp]

I found an amazing one but im not sure whats the official FBB store

[glacial wind]

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1104999245 is their official one, but i'm sure there's a lot of resellers there that also sell fbb

[kindred imp]

Ah lets see if my aliexpress has it

region

[glacial wind]

fbb is nice for interesting designs and thick keycaps. Wuque is nice if you want doubleshot pbt with good quality for basic 2 tone/1 tone color designs

but wuque studio you'd be buying from their website instead of ali normally

[kindred imp]

I dont want something with a lot of design. Im more into basic 2 tone designs

I did order my WS Flux switches from aliexpress

so maybe that store has it too

[glacial wind]

then wuque studio is a good spot to start

https://shop.wuquestudio.com/collections/keycaps - they have sale on some sets right now

[kindred imp]

oh my these are gorgeous

what rabbithole have I fallen into

[kindred imp]

ill look into it! Thank you as well

any recommendations on clear doubleshot keycaps?

[glacial wind]

you won't get pbt if you want see through

the translucent type clear keycaps are abs normally

[kindred imp]

Ah I see

do you know if this is a good keycap/switch remover?

its the Gateron one

[glacial wind]

they're 'ok'. I don't like automatic pullers because they sometimes scratch the plates

if you don't mind mild scratching they're generally not bad though (although sometimes it just doesn't like certain switches)

[kindred imp]

I see. I sadly lost my puller that came with the keyboard while I was moving apartments

so Im looking for what to get

[glacial wind]

i'd recommend the wuque titanium puller or the tx puller

if you want a nice metal one

i've heard good things about the gateron claw looking puller too, although that one is quite big

[kindred imp]

Another reason I was looking to get this one is my friend also needs one and she has issues with her finger joints

so I wanted to get this to try to see if its easier on the hands

[glacial wind]

the big 3 in 1 puller is probably easiest on hands

it's not super compact and a bit bulky but it probably gives the most leverage of the non automatic pullers

[kindred imp]

Okey thank you

[glacial wind]

but if you want automatic then yeah automaticp ullers work, just that be aware you will eventually scratch your plate

(but not everyone cares about minor plate scratching)

[kindred imp]

As long as the electronics are safe I dont mind

Cant see the plate anyways so

xDD

[past pelican]

@glacial wind new day, new switch questions. After research and your recommendations I lean towards the fluxes pink lotus. Is rgb pinkish here too?

[glacial wind]

yes

[past pelican]

i give up

[glacial wind]

i mean, we've already told you what are the best 2 options

for rgb if you care and stability

[past pelican]

find it so hard to decide since most of the reviews and soundtests i listen to, sound the same between the switches

[glacial wind]

for my own sanity i will only answer all your future questions with the following phrase: "Buy ufo grey or ttc horse/noble horse"

thank you for your attention on the matter.

[past pelican]

🤣

[uneven cradle]

MMD C1s it is

sound good, good RGB and great price
Hopper seal of approval

[past pelican]

ttc horse are 70 EUR per 70 pcs, almost similar to ufos

[trail bane]

Bruh

[sacred elm]

Horses are very good

[glossy pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-gif-230597167926076170

[jovial atlas]

i wanna build a fully white wooting60he v2

im only gonna order the module

What other things do i need to order?

leave links if possible

[glossy pagoda]

Case: Alumaze White - https://wooting.io/product/alumaze60?Color=Just+White
Keycaps: Black and White Magnetic Wave - https://wooting.io/product/wooting-take-control-5-sided-dye-sub-pbt-keycaps?Color=Black+%26+White (if non-split 60HEv2, otherwise go with standard PBT keycaps in Just White)
Detachable Cable White - https://wooting.io/product/detachable-cable?Color=Just+White
Wrist Rest White - https://wooting.io/product/wooting-60he-v2-wrist-rest?Color=Just+White

[glacial wind]

Tshirt: Uniqlo airism cotton oversized (white) - https://www.uniqlo.com/us/en/products/E465185-000/00?colorDisplayCode=00&sizeDisplayCode=003

[magic forge]

Yea nah eff Jade's lol. Absolutely felt scammed with all the damn viral videos on jades. Sounded good but slot of hype

[magic forge]

Aw yeah, I'm listening hahah so diamonds ? What's special about them ?

[humble surge]

They are new, so we don't know a whole lot, but considering the success of DCFs and other Fluxes they are promising.
By the looks of it they will have very nice RGB shine through and then the sound is expected to be a little more muted and pleasant.

I specifically want/await the Heart of the Ocean version (the one with the little more blueish coloring)

I expect it to be a better Nova atleast

[magic forge]

If you got a code let me know I'll defs help you out

[humble surge]

I don't

[magic forge]

The dude who recommended me UFOs never had a code but man were they good

Btw I no longer use ATK mouse

I got on the superstrike X2 during trip in Japan few months ago

And tbf the left click feels faster

It just makes a flick more flicker lol

[humble surge]

Nice, if you like it and can deal with the weight :)

[magic forge]

Despite running 60g vs ATK 36g. It's.not bad

[humble surge]

I have new Zeros, thats what i've been using

[magic forge]

Cause the pads on the superstrike are Soo nice

I even can play on a lower sens now

Crazy right lol

[humble surge]

what value is it instead of the old one?

[magic forge]

So faster left click meaning better faster flicks + heavier weight and something with the design of the skates makes it able to run a lower sens then what I was use to before

[magic forge]

400 dpi @ 3.38

Lowest using ATK was 400@ 3-3.13 around there but I lose top speed

Now using superstrike I'm on 800dpi @ 1.25

[humble surge]

damn, thats lower than i have used forever

[magic forge]

For CS2

Don't know about other games

I'm 28k premier , faceit 10

[humble surge]

your micros should be more accurate if anything

[magic forge]

Bro 800 dpi and 1.25 feels good it doesn't feel like that on ATK for some reason

What I don't like is the side buttons

[humble surge]

i use 800

[magic forge]

When I press it the Mouse can get pushed away and i miss my pixel perfect lineup

[humble surge]

used to be 600, but for 1440p it was not enough anymore

[magic forge]

But ATK is good

This one just hits different

[humble surge]

Zeros are good

and some models

[magic forge]

The left click is fast

Cause my reaction is no pro level

This helps with it in a sense I dunno how to explain