🔧│keyboard_modding

[lyric nimbus]

i've been putting them off because like

i feel like dcfs might kill my sound?

im already running a lot of things that lower the pitch of my 2he

any lower and i feel like the kb might sound dead

[sacred elm]

then get normal fluxes if you're worried about that

[tropic urchin]

I feel like UFOs would be cheaper

[little glen]

can very much recommend dcf and horsies

[static sage]

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! I now have what I need in my cart.
P.S. The ufos look good, but I'm almost sure I won't get happy with 3.5mm travel. For the analog part I even want more than 4mm, but nobody offers.

[lyric nimbus]

like

[tropic urchin]

Unless TKBman has them on sale too

[lyric nimbus]

i wanna keep the clack

[lyric nimbus]

get the tikkens if u want 4mm travel

[little glen]

more than 4mm seems unlikely due to the size restrictions that switches typically have

[lyric nimbus]

ive started to

appreciate clack a lot more

[little glen]

clack

[lyric nimbus]

i think my preferred sound profile is like

[robust siren]

there were 70pc fluxes for $44

[lyric nimbus]

deep clacks

[sacred elm]

Don't get UFOs if you plan to spring swap your switches, because you can't open them with a switch opener. Also don't get Fluxes, because they use wider diameter springs and Lekker springs aren't compatible.

[little glen]

dcf + alu or cf plate in your case

just spend more money

[lyric nimbus]

i use owlabs fr4

[tropic urchin]

You’re taking my mantle, it’s time to retire

[sacred elm]

No, they cost same as DCF

[little glen]

i apologize

uh

spend less money

[sacred elm]

other Fluxes are expensive, but not DCF and OG

[tropic urchin]

Nah we need someone else to blame around these parts

[little glen]

dont want varedis to lose his job

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-laughing-laugh-gif-24158038

[lyric nimbus]

yeah no

based on the soundtests in wooting's databace for dcf im sticking with owlabs

[robust siren]

kois are out for delivery

[young viper]

Mine are somewhere in cali

[fluid ravine]

Nope thanks to lumen

[fluid ravine]

Yay

[young viper]

I hope your kois explode

[sly palm]

Imma still waiting for the wall throw kois edition

[young viper]

Lmaooo

[robust siren]

animal abooserssss

[young viper]

@robust siren @fluid ravine out for delivery

[static sage]

Back from shopping spree. ... I don't care about sound. I don't care about feel. Before Wooting I used dome and membrane for 35 years just fine. Though the COSMOS 2000 membrane was produced cheap as shirt and overall awful.

[bleak jolt]

waiting for my ufo switches is a pain in the butt

[lyric nimbus]

i think this is how i make a budget 2he case

and then i optimize the bottom case/fr4 plate design to be easy to machine

[undone sentinel]

How often do you guys usually re-lube your switches?

[lyric nimbus]

once is enough

[young viper]

Honestly whenever they get a bit scratchy I touch them up a bit

[undone sentinel]

That sounds like a ton of work

[fluid ravine]

@robust siren @young viper delivered

[robust siren]

mine havent yet

[ionic breach]

if im lazy

one every other week

/j

[sly palm]

skill issssoooooooo

[regal patio]

Newer switches need less relubing

My old jade pro's got dry in one month

I have been using keytok nova's for 3 weeks and they don't feel scratchy

[uneven cradle]

Depends on the switch and manufacturer

Realistically you shouldnt have to relube ever if done properly in the first place

Although I guess if you're using the same switches for years and daily driving the same keyboard you may want to after 2-3+ years

[fluid ravine]

Wellll won't be home for another 3 hrs

[robust siren]

[young viper]

Hopefully mine should be delivered by when class is over for me lol

[robust siren]

ive been home from class for a few hours

i just have my home camera apps opened

[nocturne tendon]

Would it be a good idea to make a 60 v3 version not only with a split spacebar, but also with a split Backspace key (so we could have an independent tilde key 😉)? Or even better, maybe an intermediate layout between 60% and 80% — something that would work as a truly universal keyboard for gaming, programming (in modern IDEs), and writing longer texts.
Here’s an example layout (in my case, Mac version) based on the following assumptions:

• 60% keyboard width,
• dedicated arrow keys and F-row (remmaping TKL),
• a programmable encoder for volume control (or Page Up/Down 🙂),
• all letter keys remain unchanged across layers.

[robust siren]

it wouldnt be a 60% anymore

also a very small spacebar

[nocturne tendon]

4.25u as in JIS layout.

Very convenient in practice.

[sly palm]

but why not just getting a 80HE?

[nocturne tendon]

Too wide 😉

[sly palm]

well I guess you could get a non wooting keyboard with the f row, but this aint a 60%

[sacred elm]

There are like 3 JIS 80HE users, so I don't think we will ever see another JIS keyboard from Wooting

[nocturne tendon]

Only the spacebar is taken from the JIS layout. This is needed to fit the arrow keys and other keys within 60% of the width.

[ionic breach]

just buy a hhkb atp

or any mx that u want

[sly palm]

the 60HE is known to be modding friendly, going with a complete different layout would defeat the purpose of this

[nocturne tendon]

I currently use HHKB, but sometimes I miss the arrows and F-keys.

[nocturne tendon]

I just need a split Backspace. And as a small keyboard it would be complete.

Split spacebar is good for IJKL arrows.

[sly palm]

I guess the options on the rakka atlas are kinda what you are looking for

[sacred elm]

Feel free to make #1141096226884956181 post

[nocturne tendon]

HE? Or TMR, inductive, or similar switches allowing adjustable actuation point and profiles?

[sly palm]

and tbf, it might be the perfect layout for you but I don't think it wont be a good keyboard to sell

[nocturne tendon]

It's a well-thought-out layout, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions on whether it would be suitable for them.

[sly palm]

the rakka is a HE pcb, you are able to change the layout like switching between split and non split space bar, switching between layouts like ANSI and ISO, and iirc you can also split backspace

[sly palm]

yes, it might be a perfect layout, I still don't think it will be sold good.
tho you can make a #1141096226884956181 like shafie told you
goodluck!

[robust siren]

you can split every large key

[sly palm]

yea thanks, imma a little tired today, wasn't to sure

[chilly mural]

This brings back memories when someone posted their perfect layout

[broken notch]

I only want 0.5u keys

And the space gained on each row should be a dinosaur artisan

[sly palm]

I only want more 1.25U blank keycaps

[broken notch]

That's my perfect layout

[sly palm]

@broken notchyou have the 60he with the split, right?
I am in pain cause of that 1.25U key

[broken notch]

Why?

[sly palm]

keycaps

[broken notch]

Just make your own

[regal patio]

Are those custom keycaps good?

How did you make them?

[young viper]

Are they just printed on letters?

[broken notch]

I don't actually know, I assume so

https://yuzukeycaps.com

[ionic breach]

dye subbed

so like ink is printed on a paper

than transferred to the keycap with heat

[broken notch]

I like the quality atleast

[regal patio]

Thanks

[radiant ice]

Right, Flux HE switches with matte white ceramic on a black aluminium case – good or not?

[ionic breach]

ceramic is a bit sketch

cos its heavy

[frosty kayak]

Hi everyone!
Buying i have been wanting an Wooting, but i need it to be really quiet, both for work and.. happy wife happy life.

If anyone can link me what best in slot i need to buy to make it the most silent possible. ❤️

[sacred elm]

Wooting module + any silent switch from this list #🪛│modding_faq message

Keep in mind, silent switches affect accuracy, so it's not recommended to use the most sensitive settings

[frosty kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/104-good-buddy-scream-shout-gif-6031888

[young viper]

It'll be fine, only thing I do suggest getting as well is a switch opener so you can do a spring swap. The cerakeys spacebar is significantly heavier and requires a stuffer switch. Thankfully they include a heavier he switch which you can steal the spring from and put in a flux so you still retain the same sound, but it can also support the dpacebar

[sacred elm]

You can't put other springs in Flux

[young viper]

You can't?

[sacred elm]

You can't

[frosty kayak]

Sorry one more thing as i am ordering 😛

Which case is considered more silent? xD so sorry

[sacred elm]

plastic

[young viper]

Oh yeah your right they have a much larger diameter

[fluid ravine]

I'M HOMEE

KOIS TIME

If it disappoints then I'm throwing them at wall @robust siren @sly palm

Cuteee

[robust siren]

neat box

is that 35?

[fluid ravine]

Ye

[long agate]

it doesn’t really affect much. I have the ceramic matte v3 keycaps from cerakeys, and it doesn’t affect actuation even at the lowest settings

sounds rlly nice too

[ionic breach]

yea ik

its like 10g + diff

but its just much lighter

[long agate]

tru

[fluid ravine]

Yo I can't lie Im pretty sure they sound exactly like my frakens

[sly palm]

so W?

[fluid ravine]

OH FUCK

YOOOOO

[robust siren]

is that good

[fluid ravine]

KOIS HAVE A PROTRUDED MAGNET

[fluid ravine]

Nvm I lied a tad bit sharper on the bottom out

But top out is similar to same

Most likely material

[tropic urchin]

W owlabs cuh

[fluid ravine]

BUT PROTRUDED MAGNET W

[robust siren]

is that good

you never asked

[fluid ravine]

Dudeeee cus I thought it'd be the same like any other

[robust siren]

i didnt even think about it

[fluid ravine]

Lmao

Dude

Protruding magnet + fiberglass housing

[robust siren]

bro already dissected a koi

[fluid ravine]

This is like deh weh

That's why KOIS are a tad bit sharper than my frakens

[robust siren]

pls no koi kiss wall video

thanks

[fluid ravine]

Hmmm we'll see

[robust siren]

my kois still havent arrived

ive been spamming f5 since 12

its 5

[fluid ravine]

Pretty

[robust siren]

that was quick

[young viper]

THE KOIS

Are still not here yet

[fluid ravine]

Holy shit they feel hella light

[silent wadi]

SOUND TEST

[robust siren]

uhhh

my kois got shipped in a keyboard box

wtf lmaoooo

[silent wadi]

my kois not here yet

:(

soon tho

[robust siren]

my kois are in a rainy75 box

[silent wadi]

LOL

[silent wadi]

wait u got them?

[humble surge]

😱

[robust siren]

just now

[silent wadi]

nice nice

[fluid ravine]

Sound test coming up

[stoic ocean]

What do you think of the new Unionwell?

They only cost €30 for a pack of 70.

[robust siren]

oh em gee

the box is cute

[silent wadi]

its a race between me and @young viper

[robust siren]

@fluid ravine @silent wadi

[silent wadi]

woah

its nice to look at

i want to eat them

[robust siren]

they sound like the ones i got in china

[humble surge]

Too cheap, wallet refuses the purchase

[silent wadi]

now you have more

and there is no such thing as to many kois

[robust siren]

perfect for my 80he

now i just gotta wait for the foam kit to come in

[fluid ravine]

hmmm

[robust siren]

should be march 10-21st

[silent wadi]

im prob not going to put my kois in yet

i want to wait for gt80 to come in

[stoic ocean]

Then there are these switches, the Huano Latte; they're like the Keytok Nova but slightly bassier and with a sound that's a bit more noticeable

I don't know what to get right now there are some really good switches

[silent wadi]

real

getting switches is getting harder nad harder

i think this can all be solved by everyone buying kois

[robust siren]

[fluid ravine]

yeah the feel hella light

i just might spring swap them i can't lie

[silent wadi]

do you have unlimited time

[fluid ravine]

they could sound more snappier or bassier with the weight increase

[silent wadi]

how do you do all your switch stuff

[stoic ocean]

We need originality, otherwise we'll all end up with the same thing

[fluid ravine]

i mean i am the thockson
i always have time

oh yeah yusus

can you summarize the video for me?

[stoic ocean]

By the way, what sound do koi sound like?

[fluid ravine]

i have 2 sound test made already

[stoic ocean]

In French?

[fluid ravine]

lmao

nvm ill watch it later

hmmm....

[stoic ocean]

What is that sound

[fluid ravine]

the second sound test are my frakenstein

[fluid ravine]

wym

[robust siren]

beri similar

[fluid ravine]

indeed

[stoic ocean]

this is marbly I like it a lot

[silent wadi]

yeah they are

[silent wadi]

very marbly

like better jade pros

[robust siren]

well now you only need to get one switch instead of 2 or 3 in your frankenswitch

[fluid ravine]

ima spring swap and see if it changes anything

[robust siren]

[silent wadi]

I might do a spring swap if i dont like their weight

i use super heavy switches in my mx board

oil kings

[stoic ocean]

Actually, I'm going to get the Gateron Green Apple pickups for my Gehirn 60, a MX build to get a sound profile similar to the Kois

[fluid ravine]

Wtf is this lube

[robust siren]

theyre pertty light like what thockson said

its 47g

[fluid ravine]

There ain't much

But it's still stupid smooth

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-lemme-tell-you-let-me-tell-ya-let-me-tell-you-introducing-gif-5118479597543761072

[silent wadi]

oil kings bottom out at 65

[robust siren]

but theyre not stupid light like geon raw 40g

[silent wadi]

holy shit

[stoic ocean]

@fluid ravine when you said to make a summary of the video, is that the one I sent you ?

[fluid ravine]

About the venom standoffs yes

[stoic ocean]

I'm a bit slow, you know

I'm going to explain

[robust siren]

thats what ive been saying

smooth and clean

just like the 500kg nuke

^ message approved by @sly palm

[young viper]

What's the koi weight?

[robust siren]

42(?) initial and 47 bottom out

+- 5

[young viper]

Oh so like the tenz tikkens basically?

[fluid ravine]

ok yeah

the spring weight even when both the lengths are same does slightly change the sound

I like my heavy springs better

I'm gonna start spring swapping

[robust siren]

have fun for 2 hours

[fluid ravine]

Oh yeah it's stupid noticeable

I had a feeling something would've made it sound slightly better

For me personally

Guess the spring does the trick

[robust siren]

can you upload comparison

[silent wadi]

thockson you may have the most dedication to this hobby i hve ever seen

[fluid ravine]

First switch is koi spring

Second is my springs

This is fraken switch

I'll do one with kois

[silent wadi]

WOAH

[robust siren]

2nd is slightly deeper

[silent wadi]

it sounds way better imo

i like it a lot more

what springs are those

[fluid ravine]

1 is koi spring

2 is my springs

[cloud crane]

I wann kaidi 27mm spring 🤤

[silent wadi]

now u gotta do all of them

:))

[fluid ravine]

22mm 60g
Or was it 65 I forgot

[fluid ravine]

Yuppp

[silent wadi]

das perfect for me

if i end up liking kois more than novas i might do that

idk ive never done something like that before though'

[fluid ravine]

It's easy

Nothing hard

[silent wadi]

i would prob have to re lube them aswell

[fluid ravine]

The switch?

[silent wadi]

yeah

[lyric nimbus]

so yeah uhh

[silent wadi]

if im going through all the trouble

[lyric nimbus]

what would the average 2he user like in a case

i think the main overlap is gamers + office workers

[cloud crane]

Gimme machined ss weight 🤤

[lyric nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lewd-cat-dumb-gif-7213020066017231983

[little glen]

Main overlap is 35+ y/o

[cloud crane]

Also experiment with plate relief cuts

[lyric nimbus]

so something like

simple and sleek

i think this is how i want to make a commercial 2he case

[fluid ravine]

keeeeborddsss

[little glen]

I would honestly wait with a full project until the (rumored) 100he comes out in a few years

[lyric nimbus]

yeah thats fiar

[robust siren]

not enough to make his own case like @lyric nimbus

[little glen]

I think the design you have right now is nice

[lyric nimbus]

my design is not really viable for cheap production

[little glen]

And you can obvs make it available for people that want to mod their 2he NOW

[silent wadi]

😭

[little glen]

I mean if you want to make a design for people to copy on their own feel free

I just wouldnt put much monetary investment in other than prototyping to make sure it works

[lyric nimbus]

i don't think i need to prototype tbh

i already made one

[cloud crane]

Rubber feet be those 8x4mm silicone bumpons pls

[little glen]

Do keep in mind with your top case idea

The corners would be sharp edges

I think some sort of lip at the front is nice

[robust siren]

the 2he plate is wider than the pcb?

[lyric nimbus]

maybe

[cloud crane]

Cherry lip

[little glen]

You could also add some sort of gasket support somehow

Or leaf spring

[cloud crane]

Something like derivative lip

[lyric nimbus]

do i really wanna add gasket/leaf spring for a HE kb?

[little glen]

Should be possible to integrate in the bottom case design with not too much difficulty

[lyric nimbus]

oh i was thinking like

[robust siren]

i use gaskets on my 60% he board so its fine

[little glen]

Then end users could choose the stiffnes to their liking

[lyric nimbus]

wouldn't it defeat the purpose

[cloud crane]

Pcbsnappppp

[lyric nimbus]

i got my design made relatively firm

[fluid ravine]

@robust siren I was sort of trying to cope with the sound tests of the kois earlier but yeah it really was the springs. The weight made the kois kinda sound boxy like a flux switch in my build. I tend to use longer and heavier springs to have a more snappier and controlled sound.

[little glen]

Some people like more isolation

[lyric nimbus]

hm

[little glen]

Doesnt have to be super soft or anything

[robust siren]

do a kbdfans and do these gaskets

[cloud crane]

Pcbsnapssss

[robust siren]

i dont think pcbsnaps work in the gt-60

[lyric nimbus]

if i do a top case like this i think forming is the only viable way (and I CANNOT DO THAT!!!!!!)

[robust siren]

theyre too thicc

[little glen]

It could be as simple as: using standoffs to screw in the plate to bottom case or you swap the standoffs for some leaf springs that hold up the plate at the same spots

[fluid ravine]

Pcb snaps on cat bread 2he?

[little glen]

So you use the same mounting point on the bottom case to save cost

Crowd designed wooting cases

[lyric nimbus]

hmm

[robust siren]

they sound different to og fluxes in mine

[lyric nimbus]

not gonna lie i should really talk with wooting team about this

[robust siren]

but yeah its literally just the difference in build

[fluid ravine]

Well you do use a fr4 which tones it down esp with foam

Mines resonate and bright

[robust siren]

foammaxing

[fluid ravine]

Making the switch really shine

So my switches and plate really do influence each other

Which is why small changes are really noticeable

[robust siren]

i need to give cf plate another go on my rakka

but i need to custom order one

[fluid ravine]

Ima try cf another day

[robust siren]

ima try and build the 80 to be exactly like my 60

[stoic ocean]

@fluid ravine I've given you a summary I hope I explained it well

[robust siren]

well without an alu case

thats out of the question for now

[fluid ravine]

Thanks

[stoic ocean]

U are welcome bro

Honestly, I think it's a negligible change, but if you really want something "natural" as I explained, then why not do it

[marsh knoll]

Guys, Im trying to make my first custom keyboard, so far ordered black zinc 80he and doubting whether i should buy ufos or novas. What else would you recommend to get, i was thinking maybe aftermarket stabs?

[silent wadi]

what sound do you want?

normal wooting stabs are good

if you want to get new ones you can

[fluid ravine]

Halfway through the alphas

[robust siren]

[silent wadi]

NOOO IM LAST

[austere creek]

ure not. i havent gotten mine yet

[silent wadi]

all of ours were on the same flight lol

me gore lumenistic and thockson

[young viper]

Tony did you order the last one in stock lmao

Someone ordered the last one and I have no clue who lol

[austere creek]

i havent put in an order

[silent wadi]

bro what are you even gonna do with 35 kois

[silent wadi]

u have to wait for restock

[austere creek]

i dont want any

[fluid ravine]

There wont

[austere creek]

i just said i havent gotten mine yet

lol

[silent wadi]

:(

no more kois

[austere creek]

sorry to try and be uplifting with facts

[silent wadi]

no i feel better

[fluid ravine]

Not even worth getting anyways

[silent wadi]

whatt!!! why???

[young viper]

Lmaooo

[fluid ravine]

If you have the pc pom pa66 switch like ti he

[fluid ravine]

Low availability and similiar structural and material housings with some others

[young viper]

They're just a cleaner and cheaper owlab tbh (do I own owlabs? Nope)

[fluid ravine]

Yeah the only thing worth about them is being stupid stupid cheap

[young viper]

Actually cheaper before they made me pay fucking import fees!

[fluid ravine]

But the availability just makes it pointless

[silent wadi]

ti hes where considered the cheapest they get

[austere creek]

i shall use my lekker v1 switches until calder graces us with a fullsize refresh in 2077

[cloud crane]

Koi rgb at least is interesting

[austere creek]

then i can finally be chromed up choom

[young viper]

Lmaooo

[young viper]

I have them on the way, they'll be here someday

[silent wadi]

some day 😭

[austere creek]

you guys think if i huff enough copium i can time travel to the future where we have 2he refresh?

[cloud crane]

[fluid ravine]

Yup

[tropic urchin]

you gotta huff the good shit

[cloud crane]

Just wanna see collaborations with smaller case designers 👀

[austere creek]

whats the good shit lol

someone defecating in my mouth?

[tropic urchin]

for the uninitiated galaxy gas is a good start

[fluid ravine]

Alphas done

[marsh saffron]

Different strokes for different folks 😭

[austere creek]

im so uninitiated i dont even know what galaxy gas is

[marsh saffron]

Nitrous

[tropic urchin]

prob bc you're not american

and or in high school still

[austere creek]

england is my city

[tall hollow]

flavored nitrous oxide

[marsh saffron]

Its flavored nitrous

😭

I didnt know it was flavored

[tall hollow]

its for "cooking"

[austere creek]

thatd be a bit tough with getting hired at wooting fulltime

[austere creek]

wait flavoured?

[tall hollow]

which technically it can be used for cooking, I use nitrous all the time for my whipping canisters

[austere creek]

is this flavoured like condoms or actually flavoured in a good way

[tall hollow]

I never tried galaxy gas

[austere creek]

oh right you just cook with it

[tall hollow]

I just get regular nitrous cartridges with my whipping canisters

[silent wadi]

is that a refrence

[tall hollow]

makes for very good whipped cream

[humble surge]

funny how you just mentioned that not long ago xD

[robust siren]

they arent restocking

[austere creek]

i use my original indiana johnes prop whip to whip me cream

[tall hollow]

lmao

[austere creek]

and i make sure to pronounce whip weird

[humble surge]

hwip

[austere creek]

yes

[young viper]

Ikr lmaooo

[humble surge]

atleast it's there :)

[sand thorn]

I’m never going to the Meme channel again

[young viper]

I only have tikkens, so it doesn't hurt grabbing both the kois lol

[robust siren]

have you used it yet

[humble surge]

sneaks also arrived along with fragr

[sand thorn]

WTF is even in there bro

[tall hollow]

are yall looking for a mechanical engineer perchance /j

[austere creek]

this isnt the meme channel

[austere creek]

https://wooting.io/careers

[tall hollow]

oooooo

[young viper]

I just sat down, I'm gonna do a foam and non foam on the ceratikkens, then do the same for kois. Cerakeys suck to remove

[sand thorn]

Ik but go look at the meme channel, I wanted to see some memes now I’m traumatized

[humble surge]

CeraKoi 👀

[young viper]

Hell yeah, fit and everything?

[humble surge]

rest arrives in the next morning

9-10 hours

[silent wadi]

@lyric nimbus

[marsh saffron]

Ah yes, for the whipping canisters of course

[tall hollow]

yeah we all know galaxy gas is not for cooking LMAO

even though they market it as such

[silent wadi]

of course its for cooking? what else?

[robust siren]

[marsh saffron]

Loopholes be looping

[tall hollow]

lmao

[trail bane]

Gn

[tall hollow]

although using nitrous is like, my favorite way to make whipped cream, gets the perfect texture every time

[robust siren]

teens to get high on gas

[tall hollow]

im surprised they havent found out about the sharpie magnum method yet

or the expo marker method

[marsh saffron]

The huh

[austere creek]

just as a disclaimer: please dont huff stuff irl. drugs bad

[silent wadi]

ts crazy because its so accesible

[robust siren]

[silent wadi]

i sniff them

they smell good

but whats the method?

[austere creek]

pls dont share actual huffing stuff

[tall hollow]

you keep doing it

[marsh saffron]

Sniff sniff

[calm pulsar]

move over to the huffing channel people

[silent wadi]

lololl

[young viper]

Without tape mod, space bar is pingy af lol

Alr time for cerakois

[fluid ravine]

@robust siren @silent wadi i finish spring swapping

its much much nicer

sound is more controlled now

[silent wadi]

sound test plsplspsl

[fluid ravine]

gotchu

lemme clean up the frakens on my desk rq

im gonna put them into my v2

then im done for the day

[silent wadi]

it didnt even take that long

[humble surge]

HUGE

[robust siren]

i dont think i can go back to 60g switches

[silent wadi]

what force u use?

kois?

[robust siren]

yeah

well before that

was dcf

and before that was 40g raws

[silent wadi]

40 g 😭

i remember switching to oil kings

i was so sad

they were to heavy for me

now here i am wanting to switch light spring for a heavy one

[cloud crane]

27mm 60g

[silent wadi]

thockiest kois ever

[young viper]

Just a tad bit lighter than tikkens

[humble surge]

Cerakoi better, real and true

[robust siren]

so much better than titons

a lot cleaner

[young viper]

It's much cleaner now

[lyric nimbus]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I NEED A RESUME

[robust siren]

kois just got that cleaniness and smoothness

[silent wadi]

ahahaha

[young viper]

I may end up swapping out the light diffuser though, I need to see lol

[robust siren]

wdym

[young viper]

Also, kois, so much more stable than tikkens lol

[robust siren]

well.. its a job application

why wouldnt you need a resume

[lyric nimbus]

ok that is fair

[young viper]

Time to remove like 60ish keys with this lol

[robust siren]

the hec is that

[humble surge]

LEGO separator

[young viper]

It's meant to not damage the glaze on cerakeys or smth lol

[fluid ravine]

i really fw the snappy feedback on the kois

[humble surge]

indeed

[fluid ravine]

alright time to take out fluxies from v2

[silent wadi]

they sound less harsh

[robust siren]

ima just resend this as convience
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1478519908412166359/KeebMAT_Vella_Alu_Kois.m4a?ex=69a8b277&is=69a760f7&hm=9327990e0f6e6975b1006e2ab3cf1c1960ac652a4b01133c967d511ac009c2c7&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1478540196197957724/KeebMAT_Vella_Alu_Kois_r2.m4a?ex=69a8c55c&is=69a773dc&hm=664d0a468b099578ebc93fc5ce4b493683a6faf5cc1dfcc6bbea1e12152aa795&

[humble surge]

watch me get ceras and still use the titanium, full balls

[fluid ravine]

yeeeeup

just as expected

[robust siren]

wait where

no preview

[fluid ravine]

there

[silent wadi]

its actually way nicer with 60g springs

[humble surge]

hmm, not a fan of them that way

sounds much better with lumens cera

[robust siren]

they arent as sharp

[fluid ravine]

yeah

the sharpness stock was a bit tacky for me

[young viper]

That was with foam and no tape either, in excited to see what it'll sound like with tape and poly

[silent wadi]

thockson now i want to change koi springs

[humble surge]

my point

it probably needs nothing

[robust siren]

idk why recordings make it so sharp, it isnt like that in my build

[humble surge]

nothing more

[robust siren]

oh wait

youre on an alu plate

[fluid ravine]

its just the build

yeah

[robust siren]

i forgor

[fluid ravine]

i explained it earlier

[robust siren]

i mean like in my own recordings too

they do sound a tiny bit sharper than they do in person

[young viper]

No embolia, we must go deeper

Thankfully tape and poly is easy af to do on the fly lol

[fluid ravine]

make sure it doesn't turn hollow

[humble surge]

If you ruin it i find you

And step on your HOKAs

[robust siren]

what triggering me rn is the backspace on the 80he

its so bad

[humble surge]

[young viper]

Dude I'm already pissed about the center of the board being slightly more hollow lmao

[young viper]

Fuck I need to spring swap a koi for the spacebar

[humble surge]

truent

or just buy a pack of Blues and put that under it

[young viper]

I have a single blue I stole the spring from lmaoo

[robust siren]

lightwork

[humble surge]

thats good

i bought 5 ahead of time

for when i will have cera, but only for space

no one will know only space is diff kek

[young viper]

This was it's fate

[young viper]

A single blue comes with the cera lol

[humble surge]

Cera was actually out of them, but found it on aly

Ali*

[humble surge]

🙂

[fluid ravine]

@young viper you must go deeper

[young viper]

I will, if I can ever remove these damn tikkens

[fluid ravine]

it gotta be like pochizos

[young viper]

Holy shit it's a sign

[humble surge]

wot is

I see several

[silent wadi]

what plate u guys will fit better with kois

cf or pc

[humble surge]

Can't say, i will have CF, but unsure if i can get KOIs

[silent wadi]

superbuy prolly the only ways u will be able to get them

[marsh saffron]

Laughs in steel plate + tee hees

[humble surge]

Thats not the problematic part

i don't know if there will be stock by the time i'm buying

Or if i actually care heh

But i guess why not

[cloud crane]

Koi rgbs still in stock on tb

[silent wadi]

they so cheap

[humble surge]

how long tho is the question

[silent wadi]

like cheapest he switch EVER!!!!

[young viper]

I appears I may have done a slight fuck up

I mixed my spring swapped tikken in with the normal ones

[fluid ravine]

breh..

[silent wadi]

test them all

[young viper]

And it's only like 10 heavier so it's hard to tell which one it was hmm

[silent wadi]

NOOO

[young viper]

Eh I normal tikken should be fineee

We're gonna make it work lmao

[humble surge]

solution:
All tikken in the trash bin, new set, start over

✅ 🙂

[sly palm]

I think the first vidoe is missing a key

[fluid ravine]

lmao

pochizo used that key to take out the module

[young viper]

Lmao a koi works for the spacebar but it's feather light now

[cloud crane]

100g 27mm spring

[robust siren]

why is the 2nd video wavy

[fluid ravine]

dont ask me

[cloud crane]

I neeeeeed sensy seal80 tkl mannnn

[robust siren]

oh yeah i havent seen them talk in a while

wait how do they know each other

[fluid ravine]

whos mafuyu

[robust siren]

well actually i dont really know pochizo other than they used cerakeys

[fluid ravine]

lmao

[robust siren]

mafuyu is fren

doesnt do shi with keyboards

[fluid ravine]

she was one of the og users of STM Lekker v1 and Rawhuks

[silent wadi]

y my kois not here :(

[young viper]

Holy fuck the keyboard glows pink now

ITS SET TO WHITE

[humble surge]

wait, is KOI tinted?

[dawn hornet]

albedo pfp banger

[robust siren]

koi is pink

very pink

[humble surge]

then why are we surprised xD

[dawn hornet]

purdy

[dawn hornet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gib-gibs-milkers-apu-apustaja

[dawn hornet]

need keycap recommendations, purple caps cute but the shine through lettering is so inconsistent

[robust siren]

105 of them fresh outta japan

[robust siren]

background noise goes crazy

[dawn hornet]

It’s more obvious on the caps lock

[young viper]

i need to fix it lol

lets remove the foam and see how poppy7 we can get lol

[robust siren]

you want mainly purple caps?

https://www.keykobo.com/products/in-stockkeykobo-shee?variant=53013971009854

[robust siren]

so much cleaner than titons

[dawn hornet]

Preferred yeah

Doesn’t have to be fully though

[humble surge]

GMK Selene, but we have no clue wen.
Rest uggo

[dawn hornet]

Ooo these are cute

[young viper]

its poppy as hell now lol

[robust siren]

pretty decent price too

keykobo good

[cloud crane]

Keykobo Angel deskmat looks pretty man

[robust siren]

ooo me likey

[robust siren]

holy kitting

beri nice

i dont see 1.25u novelties tho

or spacebar kit

so no splits

oh wait the latan alphas have 6.25u split keys

but its still missing a 1.25u

[cloud crane]

1.25u spacebar not that popular sadly

[dawn hornet]

i dont know what that means

[humble surge]

idk, kinda prefer the asd cerakoi sample

[silent wadi]

THE KOIS ARE HERE

[robust siren]

just click them

[silent wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-dance-skinnypoopy23-gif-13300974164478903571

[robust siren]

its just the size of the keycap

[dawn hornet]

ohhh

[robust siren]

the letters and numbers are 1u

wooting spacebars are 6.25u

[dawn hornet]

gotcha

[silent wadi]

gore u think i should use pc plate or cf

i cant deicde

[robust siren]

cf

pc kills everything it touches

[silent wadi]

okok

[silent wadi]

wdym kills

like mellows it?

[robust siren]

its muted and dead

soulless

[silent wadi]

whats your plate of choice?

[robust siren]

fr4 is netural and cf should make it even more poppier

[humble surge]

emo plate

[robust siren]

well ive been using fr4 for the last decent while but if i dint have to custom order a plate, cf

i might get cf for my 80he down the line

[cloud crane]

UMHWPE plate

[silent wadi]

yeah i was thinking for sure cf for the kois but im not sure about novas

i think fr4 would be god with novas

[robust siren]

keyboard mouse skate

[silent wadi]

i dont want them too deep

[silent wadi]

lolol

[humble surge]

Vibranium is also a decent choice, might get that instead of my planned CF

[silent wadi]

im sad now cause i lost a 40 pack of dots umhwpe :(

[dawn hornet]

try using some depleted uranium, i heard it adds a nice radioactive undertone when you keep a gieger counter nearby

[humble surge]

inferior product, unfortunately

[dawn hornet]

idk i kinda like chewing on it sometimes

helps me supplement my daily caloric intake

can't reach 6 figures without it

[cloud crane]

https://youtu.be/qaiive9DZG8
MX brown 😛

[silent wadi]

mx brown overhatted

[cloud crane]

It ok

I wish bump bigger tho 😛

[humble surge]

doesn't sound like anything distinct to me

no offense ofcourse, but truly doesn't

[silent wadi]

yeah im not a big fan but people say its aweful

[humble surge]

It's not bad at all

[silent wadi]

mmm i wonder how cf plate with novas would be

[humble surge]

nothing

they are quiet, theres nothing to accentuate

But if i still didn't sell the Novas by the time i have the CF plate, i will be able to tell you if theres any diff at all

[robust siren]

@young viper how you liking kois

[cloud crane]

https://nrdesigns.co/products/kaze-xl-full-size
Holy fawk

[sly palm]

I clicked this channel, saw some pwetty novelties, you made me sad by saying no 1.25

you are mean

[robust siren]

then get sojus

sojus always the answer

[cloud crane]

@lyric nimbus this design looks cool af

[sly palm]

I would agree if there would be a 1.25U blue cap

but sojus are pretty

[robust siren]

there is

it says drink on it

[fluid ravine]

I just swapped to cf plate

[humble surge]

Sojus are very nice, but you so overdid it that i would never buy lol

[sly palm]

wait, hold up

[humble surge]

they really need to make a food counterpart

[robust siren]

heres your split keys

[sly palm]

what kit are they in? some are apparently sold out

[robust siren]

base

[humble surge]

with contrast colors or sumthing

[robust siren]

imo you should get
base
stripes
spacebars

clear novelties if you want

[sly palm]

you looking into my mind lmao

tho the clear ones are sold out

[lyric nimbus]

not 2he compatible

[robust siren]

i only use it for the caps and enter keys anyways

[cloud crane]

I meant overall design

[lyric nimbus]

oh ok

[robust siren]

but the base comes with alt color cap and enter keys

for variety

[cloud crane]

https://unikeyboards.com/products/keykobo-kintsugi-abs-double-shot-keycap-set-pre-order?variant=52865800503614
1.25u spotted 👀

[robust siren]

wait where

am i blind

[robust siren]

no white 1.25u on a primarily white kit

[cloud crane]

It a gold kit

[humble surge]

waiiiiiiiiit

[cloud crane]

10u sb mogs

[robust siren]

gold secondary

[sly palm]

lowkey, I might get them for Easter

[humble surge]

Kintsugi is not bad looking set lowkey

[cloud crane]

Fr

[robust siren]

why the fuck is there a 10u spacebar

[cloud crane]

It's peak

Wish there was 15u 😛

[sly palm]

the question is, will they still be available?

in like a month

[cloud crane]

https://youtu.be/C3KHlZDLZWk
😛

[robust siren]

theyve restocked several times already

so probably?

but you can ask keykobo

[cloud crane]

Soju demand still consistent so likely

[robust siren]

Bojus are king

[sly palm]

I might be good to go

[young viper]

They make me wanna get a Alu or cf plate lmao. I need to test with polyfil and a tape mod next

[sly palm]

there will be signs if I get them

[lyric nimbus]

still yeah this is pretty

[sly palm]

hi frogson

[fluid ravine]

hi coinnn

[robust siren]

its koison now

[fluid ravine]

great another name

what we think of cf?

spacebar is a bit flatter than i thought

welp cant be helped

[sly palm]

cfson? sounds of

[robust siren]

i think i need new pants

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[robust siren]

cf will be a great addition later on

[fluid ravine]

we liking cf or alu here

o lwad LMAO

[cloud crane]

I like both man

[fluid ravine]

cf mx is already an addiction for me sheeeee

[robust siren]

solution: get more kois and build 2 keyboards

one with cf and one with alu

[cloud crane]

😛

[fluid ravine]

lmao

oh i should try it in the froggy

[cloud crane]

Imma order some black cats to try

[robust siren]

froggy and kois coexisting

[young viper]

Koi cult

[robust siren]

dont repeat the joke you said last time

[sly palm]

@robust sirenany other cool things on keybobo I could want besides keycaps?

[cloud crane]

Deskmat?

[robust siren]

i havent used my 60% with kois in a while

now it feels nice

[robust siren]

deskmat

i got the blue one

[sly palm]

deskmat sounds good

I don't think I need it but it sounds good and I wont be responsible with my money anyway

[young viper]

Koi cult

Nah, cool people get a keebmat

[cloud crane]

Deskmat + keebmat

[fluid ravine]

[young viper]

Do I dare pay 38 dollars for a cf plate hmmm

[sly palm]

tbf keebs made some good impressions
enough for me to waste some money

take the ability to spend money away from me

[cyan lark]

Give me your money

problem solved

[sly palm]

no problem solved, I will end up without money and without sojus

[humble surge]

nauuuuur

[fluid ravine]

the amount of bass froggy adds is kinda nice

[silent wadi]

the kois look so good

like pretty

i want to eat one

[cloud crane]

[young viper]

Does anyone know if the Ali cf plates come with standoffs?

[cloud crane]

I can get cf plates for 14 freedom bucks

[young viper]

Do pertell where this plate is

[silent wadi]

sayodevice stinks why do people still buy it

[cloud crane]

Taobao

[cloud crane]

Cheap

[silent wadi]

not when you have to buy 10 cause of bad build quality

[cloud crane]

Also extensive documentation
https://manual.sayodevice.com/#/en/docs/std/web_hid/script

[silent wadi]

wtf

proof software is too complecated

[cloud crane]

Well some people actively look for that lol

Power users

It depends really

[silent wadi]

but most people buy it just for big 8khz number

[cloud crane]

Lol

[cloud crane]

Tom making pcbs now

[young viper]

should I order them so I can have every switch jinyun makes lmao

[humble surge]

why not

not sure what these are

[young viper]

No clue, they're hall effect so like

Then I'll have the koi, koi rgb, and the whatever this js

[cloud crane]

Lol

[humble surge]

yeah just order it

[young viper]

Cf plate on the way

[glacial wind]

I would like to award ttc the rare magic award of ‘your specs actually match the test’

It seems the ttc horse being 3.45mm travel really are 3.45mm

A sadly rare mark where half the manufacturers just put a random number and measure totally different

UFO are actually closer to 3.4 than 3.5 for you ufo fans btw

[sly palm]

Sounds like a W for ttc for me

[glacial wind]

Also none of the silent switches will be added in incoming batch shortly, same issues found in all the silent switches - the bottom out goes too crazy thanks to dampening

[dawn hornet]

i might bite the bullet and ditch the purple keycaps and just go for purple accents

[glacial wind]

We confirmed r2 ultra is same as r1 ultra magnet though, so you can go ahead and use the current ultra switch option if you get r2 ultras. Only difference was the diffusers

[dawn hornet]

get some nice quality keycaps and settle for not having full purple

[sacred elm]

Will it show 3.4mm in the software or still 3.5mm?

[glacial wind]

3.5. We gave up fixing all the manufacturer specs after the first one because it causes too many queries of “x brand says this is 3.5, why did you put 3.3”

[sacred elm]

ah yeah

[sly palm]

But thank you, for giving us those infos jed

[glacial wind]

Especially after we found out that almost every brand has incorrect travel distance listed lol

[sacred elm]

Doesn't it affect the accuracy though? If the switch is actually 3.3mm instead of 3.5mm for example

[glacial wind]

Well we treat it as the correct amount

We just don’t write it out

[young viper]

Sno will it be possible for us to have a customizable switch added to the switch selector where we can input our own values? For those who use less mainstream switches.

[glacial wind]

So if it’s 3.3 we treat it as 3.3 but label says 3.5 if manu said 3.5 because we don’t want to have to constantly correct confused people

[glacial wind]

Not possible because like we are discussing now the manufacturers don’t even list their own specs right

[uneven cradle]

Doesn't seem like that would be that accurate unless you're ttc

[sacred elm]

Switches don't have the same magnet, so that's not an option

[uneven cradle]

Better off with the auto calibration at that point

[glacial wind]

The way magnet values get measured is also all over the place and not fully standardized so it’s a mess for us to let people just input values

One brands 750 is not same as another brands 750

It’s something I tried to explain to someone who wanted this feature added before, but it’s just not doable and even if we do it it causes more problems

Like hopper said in the end you’re just better off with default setting and auto calibration at that point

[robust siren]

rakka does this through measuring multiple presses (i havent really tested this throughly tho)

[glacial wind]

Yeah that’s how all auto calibration works

your keyboard takes the data over multiple presses and keeps calibrating based on it

[robust siren]

theres a certain place to do it within the switch selector but i dont have any means to test how accurate it is compared to auto calibration

[glacial wind]

That’s basically auto calibration that can be done manually

[sly palm]

So if I get switches which are not listed on the switch selector, the first 1 minute typing will be less accurate than the next 5 minutes?

[glacial wind]

Generally yes

Auto calibration has to learn about the switches and fine tune its readings over time

[sly palm]

Now I understand how the auto calibration works

[glacial wind]

The good news is the next batch is quite close. We’re trying to include them in the incoming update so you guys might have your ufo/keytok option really soon

[chilly mural]

why not just having the top and skip the bottom?

[glacial wind]

You need both to calculate everything in between

And the top is often bad too because it has similar dampening

Only difference is you don’t press down hard on top so it’s a bit more measurable, but same dampening mechanisms are there

[chilly mural]

I see, I forgot it's not just bottom out that has the dampening

[dawn hornet]

@robust siren @young viper https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/traitors-infinity-108-key-cherry-profile-reverse-dye-sub-pbt-keycap-set?_pos=10&_fid=eb04128f2&_ss=c

thoughts?

thicker keycaps

[young viper]

Those would be super neat

I wish they made them so you could use backlit with the fancy designs

Because those and purple backlight would just be perfecto

[dawn hornet]

theres bleed through on them

which isnt a bad thing

low brightness on purple shining through doesn't sound like it'd be too bad

[young viper]

yeah, i mean if you compare it to the light bleed on mine lmaooo

no, that sounds pretty nice just being low lol

[dawn hornet]

i mean I'm already keeping it at 65%

[young viper]

man i need to find that fucking spring which i had in that random tikken, my spacebar isnt sagging at all, but man its like feather light lol

[dawn hornet]

[glacial wind]

oh i see i was first 20 in that gateron poll

guess i'll get them sent out without needing to specially request them

[opal bolt]

I just grounded the 60he v2 into my holy60 case, is there still smth obvious that I should do now

or am I just ready to put switches n keycaps

n finish the build

[chilly mural]

yay

[glacial wind]

nah you're good. Just put on switches and keycaps assuming you did all the steps before grounding already

[opal bolt]

wasn't that much work tbh, friction fitting was super easy 😭

just had to have surgeon level precision w the foam pads

[trail bane]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-bro-pc-principal-south-park-s19e8-sponsored-content-gif-20622198

[glacial wind]

yep. We're actually rewriting the guides because people get surprised it's so easy

we get a lot of random questions from people asking if that's really all they had to do

[opal bolt]

literally, they've made this as clear as day

I think it's rather impossible to mess up

especially with a case like holy60, everything went perfectly

and can't even go the wrong way even if u tried

fair enough

[regal patio]

Sadly Gateron doesn't try hard enough to make good HE switches

[glacial wind]

honestly i expect just jade ultra type but 4mm but we'll see what happens

[chilly mural]

Have hope

inhale copium as if you're inhaling wootium

[chilly mural]

can't wait to see your rating

[regal patio]

No no no no

It will be the glorious jade pro ultra Max Air RGB dual rail sapphire diamond emerald red

[broken notch]

Gz Sno n.n

[regal patio]

The best switch

That everyone will buy

Because they saw it on YouTube

[young viper]

i wasn't even aware gateron was releasing a new switch

[cloud crane]

RBO 4mm plastic enclosed magnet HE 😛

w/ cherry scratch 😛

[regal patio]

Open bottom

Innovation

[cloud crane]

[regal patio]

By Gateron™

[cloud crane]

2x the amount of lube

😛

[regal patio]

That will dry out in 1 month

Because Gateron can't use a good lube

For some reason

[young viper]

didnt wuque tease some fancy switch not too long ago

[cloud crane]

Lmaoo

[cloud crane]

Wuque diamond?

[young viper]

yeah this one

[cloud crane]

A few folks already have it on hands

Just can't release info 😭

Coz wuque NDA

[regal patio]

Jade ultra style stem

[regal patio]

If they did the switch would be hyped more

[regal patio]

Or TTC horse

[glacial wind]

our switch selector team were surprised by the ttc horse and flip when i sent it over lol

[regal patio]

Why?

[glacial wind]

they were used to unlubed ttc, which has a ton of chatter

[hard hawk]

I’m sure someone figured a way to lube the nova cause I didn’t even dare to attempt at all, I see that the stem can come apart, it’s rather I just lube the contact points

[glacial wind]

flip and horses are the first actually lubed ttc switches

[cloud crane]

Even before that ttc can lube their mx switches

[regal patio]

Great

[glacial wind]

yeah for whatever reason they just didn't lube their HE for ages lol

[regal patio]

Maybe TTC will replace gateron

As the safe switch