🔧│keyboard_modding

[paper bison]

i can’t decide whether my stock dcf sound louder than owlabs

[deft jolt]

morning landee

[robust siren]

do i grab 65 ufo switches for $62

i do already plan on getting some ur ice ultras and a holy60 clone..

[brazen oak]

Owlab ti 40g or 50g? Will be using with the default oem keycaps and mainly for gaming

[lethal iron]

personal preference

[glacial wind]

If you don’t know then go for 50g

[lethal iron]

i didnt know and went 40g

[glacial wind]

Pretty risky since 40g is real light

[lethal iron]

idk

feels fine

im using ceramic keycaps too

[glacial wind]

You sound like a special use case though

[lethal iron]

[deft jolt]

that sounds like a good price

how

[glacial wind]

Generally average person doesn’t realise 60g is average mechanical switch

So they see 40 and 50 and worry that 50g is too heavy

when 50g is already quite light

[lethal iron]

oh

[lethal iron]

i thought “its only a little lighter than the tikkens so ill be fine”

[robust siren]

taobao

[deft jolt]

oh lmao

I thought is smth magical

[robust siren]

their black friday sale was pretty good

[lethal iron]

good morning snore

[cloud crane]

Waiting for the day when HE switch prices will drop down until near MX switch prices 😔

[deft jolt]

how much u save

[robust siren]

i didn’t buy it

but i think it was 60 something for a 65 pack

[robust siren]

hi

its like 10:30pm for me

[chilly mural]

welcome to my time zone

you should be sleepy by now

[robust siren]

did some shrimp fishing today

[chilly mural]

nice nice, did you eat nice fish

[robust siren]

idk their english name but yes

anyone heard of koi HE switches

[deft jolt]

Singapore ?

[deft jolt]

yeah

I know about them

[robust siren]

what would you compare them to

[robust siren]

nah, indoor small shrimp farm in china

tbh the koi switches are cheap so

ill buy a whole set of kois and ur ice ultras over a single set of ufo switches

and still have enough left over for a budget/cheap switch

[deft jolt]

why u want koi

is just recolour

and with nice box and perfume sprayed inside

[robust siren]

recolor of what

[robust siren]

its cheap and idk what its similar to

[deft jolt]

forgot if it's duhuk or ice

[robust siren]

isnt it different than ur ice? because ice is all clear

and im not sure what duhuk sounds like as i dont have them

[deft jolt]

u can change materials and colours..

then maybe is duhuk

[deft jolt]

I had a sound test before

[robust siren]

the holy60 clone im getting is from kkdoo sakura60, idk if you have seen it before

[deft jolt]

just send

I'm on taobao like quite often

[robust siren]

theres options for it being anodized so its better than gaterons clone of it

[robust siren]

https://e.tb.cn/h.7gUMhMoFegPPatx?tk=dttOfzkw2HT

[robust siren]

i havent really used tb a lot personally

[robust siren]

heres the koi specs

i think it is duhuk recolor

different spring

[deft jolt]

yeah I know

i have seen the switch before

dms

[deft jolt]

I'll check in abit

reading breakfast

[robust siren]

i dont have owlab tis or the original duhuks..

i can try looking for herz on tb

okay

the recolors are slightly cheaper than the duhuks

[deft jolt]

dmdmdm

[lyric nimbus]

my wooting 2he is making this unplesant ping sounds when i press down a key

any ideas how to fix

i think it's the plate or something that's causing the issue

[sleek hamlet]

do you use an agent to order or do you live in china ?

[robust siren]

im currently in china

[sleek hamlet]

ooo

cool

[sleek hamlet]

sad that tao doesnt ship to europe

[robust siren]

on vacation to visit family

[sleek hamlet]

i wanna do some mods to my 60he the old one, but dont know what to go with

i really hate the wobble of the keys and they sound trash

might be because i got keycaps from shein but everything else is stock and its just underwhelming

feels great to play with tho

[robust siren]

switches are the most important when determining wobble

[sleek hamlet]

ive seen a ton of people recommend geon raw

[robust siren]

max stability atm should be the geon raptor v2s and the gravastar ufo switches but both have their cons

[robust siren]

geon raws are quite old now

[sleek hamlet]

still dont know since theres so many to chose from and everyone has their own opinion

[sleek hamlet]

i want them to feel good, be stable and also sound good

i know thats a lot to want

😭

[sacred elm]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[robust siren]

my current favorite are the ws flux deep clacky and mmd c1

though i will get ur ice ultras and those koi switches i sent

wont try them till i get home around ~jan 25th

[deft jolt]

u need forwarder

[deft jolt]

ufo I guess

fits that

flip kom and taishan gt pink

jade delta is nice too

[sleek hamlet]

i order fake clothes basically for a living bro i know how it works dw

[deft jolt]

Ice extreme / ultra are nice too

[deft jolt]

fake clothes?

I care alot about sound and feel so I wrote these, they have great stability too

raptor v2 feels and sounds so meh

but it's very stable

[sleek hamlet]

those agents or what you call them forwarders are most commonly used to ship fake clothes and shoes from chinese markets like taobao and weidian yes

[deft jolt]

I don't think it's fake stuff unless u know what to buy

[sleek hamlet]

i just told you i buy fake clothes all the time bro i know what im talking about

obviously taobao has its own side of non counterfeit items and original brands

[deft jolt]

yes that is what I said

[sleek hamlet]

but theres a whole scene of fake designer items to it

[deft jolt]

not everyone knows

[sleek hamlet]

check out r/fashionreps or r/qualityreps

millions of people buy fake clothes and taobao/weidian is the primary/only source

[cloud crane]

Interesting

[deft jolt]

btw did u see the switch reca

[sleek hamlet]

im not into keyboards at all

i got a refurbished wooting 60he a month ago

[deft jolt]

oh okay, those are my recs if u wanna check em out

[sleek hamlet]

ok ill check them out

[slow storm]

Did anyone else have a really hard time pulling a switch out? I’m using the switch puller that came with the keyboard, and yes, I’m using the correct side of the keycap/switch puller (checked multiple times). I still can’t get a switch out, and I’m hesitant to use more force because I don’t want to damage the switch or the board

[deft jolt]

try wriggling

actually take a video on how u do it

I been using gateron puller and it's been great

I tried others too

but not tx one or the new 3 in 1

[slow storm]

i tried to wiggle quite a lot as well, but that stubborn switch wont budge

[sacred elm]

Included plastic puller is bad. Best to disassemble the keyboard and push the switches from the plate

or get a good metal puller

[slow storm]

yeah, my thought was the plastic puller

will just get a new one, thanks shafie!

[sacred elm]

Wuque and TX are great pullers

[warped glade]

Srsly though even with a good puller you may have to push them up from the bottom as well - those tikkens are tight AF and hard to pull

It’s not just you!

[slow storm]

Btw, you might have an answer for this.

I’ve also seen mentions of grounding / static electricity when using metal cases (e.g. Tofu60 Redux), if the board is mounted with a friction fit, is it still recommended to use a screw for grounding (like the top right tray mount screw)? Quite new to modding/custom keyboards, so I don't know too much yet

[sacred elm]

Yes, to prevent ESD issues, it's recommended to ground the module by screwing in the screw on the top-right. The chances of this happening are very low, but if it does happen and damages the PCB, the warranty won't cover it.

[slow storm]

Ohh I see. Is it just this one? Is there a video from Wooting to demonstrate this, as I want to be on the safe side.

[deft jolt]

can u show how u take it out

[deft jolt]

yeah they are nice

[sacred elm]

Yes, that is a correct location to install the screw. Video about it is coming soon as far as I know.

[slow storm]

Perfect, thank you Shafie! :)

[slow storm]

me ?

[deft jolt]

yeah but it's fine

[slow storm]

There's like a hook to pull out the board

I just need to remove a keycap and access one of those holes, then use the hook to gently pull it up

[deft jolt]

yeah for the v2

[fervent rover]

What would be one of the most effective sound dampening mods I could apply to my 60HE V2?

[deft jolt]

foam

alot of it

[fervent rover]

I have bottom case foam... where else can i put foam lol

[cyan lark]

In your spacebar

On top of the pcb though that has some drawbacks with switch performance

[fervent rover]

what about tape on the back of the PCB

[cyan lark]

Don’t think it really dampens but it costs $1 and 5m of time, can’t hurt to try tape mod

[fervent rover]

i saw this video https://youtube.com/shorts/Fszcvm32rLw?si=viE4Q2vvtYKagZMm

it seems to make it somewhat more muted

[deft jolt]

tape mod is not rly a necessary thing

it's for flex plate and flex pcb

[fervent rover]

if you look at the before and after of a lot of tape mods, the sound profiles seem to be noticeably different

[cyan lark]

It definitely has an effect on other PCBs

[fervent rover]

just a question of it affects this one

anyone tried it on a 60he?

[cyan lark]

Yes, many

It's fine, it does what it does

[deft jolt]

yeah it does affect but small chance u might damage ur pcb if u rip the tape off

[cyan lark]

You will not damage your pcb removing painters tape from it

[deft jolt]

3 layer tape is fine

it does muffle the sound abit

if u like a natural sound then don't tape

[cyan lark]

Painter's tape is intentionally used because its adhesive is gentle and weak

(and non-conductive)

[deft jolt]

yeah

[fervent rover]

i think i like the muffled sound, gonna get painters tape from amazon the blue one cos blue is cool

ngl once i've assembled this keyboard its probably never gonna be coming apart again so i doubt ill be removing any tape once it's on haha

[cyan lark]

If you ever do it should all come away as one piece that you can just reattach when you're done working on it

[fervent rover]

idk the 60HE v2 is friction fit so i guess that makes the process of taking it apart easier

for cleaning etc

my existing wooting 60he oh boy you don't wanna know what's beneath the keycaps on that board

could be something living in there for all i know

joking i clean it sometimes...

[deft jolt]

friction fit is nice

[cyan lark]

Pics, exorcise the demon

[sleek hamlet]

i got the ur ice ultra 70 pcs for 26 euro

hopefully i made a good choice for my 60he

now i need good quality keycaps cause the ones i got from shein feel like sheit

[digital urchin]

Afternoon Guys,

Anyone have a list of compatible cases with the 60HE v2 module?

[autumn temple]

@glacial wind Figured out the difference youtube was like downplaying the quality of the video whenever I was watching shorts on youtube for some reason and thats why the audio all sounded the same I dont know why that was happening but that was the reason

[tulip rapids]

#🪛│modding_faq theres a link that leads to a site and you will see it from there

[autumn temple]

And that does happen sometimes in youtube when you are watching a video and the quality goes down the sound usually tanks with it

[gaunt quartz]

Hey could somone help me i have had my keyboard for 4 days and my spacebar isnt even and sound really weird

[autumn temple]

Make sure the keycap is pushed in all the way?

If thats not it then you're stabilizers might not be screwed in properly to the PCB

[gaunt quartz]

if its not pushed in normally that its good but if its pushed in then its not even and sounds weird

[autumn temple]

@gaunt quartz Sounds like stabs arent installed correctly? Did you get the product like that or did you screw in the stabs yourself? And what keyboard are you talking about the 60 he v2?

[gaunt quartz]

i did get it like that and i have 60he+

[deft jolt]

it's good switches

[deft jolt]

try removing and putting the keycap back

[gaunt quartz]

I already tried and it didnt help

[trail bane]

Gn

[echo spire]

so i got the switches from the switchy spacebar heist that are "ridiculously heavy" and i was wondering if i could buy some that were like those

[ornate quest]

You can get the normal Tikken and also the fitting springs and recreate them yourself: https://wooting.io/product/lekker-spring-packs?Weight=Linear100

[echo spire]

i didnt know i could do that

thx

higher number is heavier right?

nvm im reading the description

[tropic urchin]

you just need to open the switch with a switch opener and you replace the stock spring

[echo spire]

got it

[young viper]

Yep, the heist switches use 100's. I really like wootings switch opener kit because it comes with a nice metal switch puller as well

[timid cobalt]

im not trying to use the stock keycaps for the 60 he v2 where should i get the split spacebar keycaps?

[sturdy rock]

Most full keyboard sets have sizes that fit the split space bare

It is 1.25 cu 2.25 cu and 2.75 cu

[static tendon]

I was watching this video on YouTube and see that this person had options to select which switches he uses. But i'm not seeing that setting on my end. Would anyone know why that would be?

[timid cobalt]

will the feeling be any different

[sturdy rock]

Shouldnt be

They often come with pieces in those sizes so should feel the same

[glacial wind]

it's in the beta only. You can try it out in #📰│wootility_updates to see how to install beta

got the ags hmx switches in

honestly they sound just like crystal, with very tiny difference from the astro/raptor v2, but it's so small

[fluid ravine]

what they look like?

[glacial wind]

i wonder what duhuk used in their fiber infused bottom because the duhuk fiberglass ones have a large difference in bottom

whereas these are so minor

[glacial wind]

they're the orange ones everyones getting

[fluid ravine]

oh the ones made by squashY?

[glacial wind]

These ones

[fluid ravine]

ah

[glacial wind]

Squashy are likely similar though because they’re hmx too

[fluid ravine]

oh interesting

[fluid ravine]

what's the material listing on these

[glacial wind]

AGS is a Thailand keyboard shop iirc

[glacial wind]

They’re like crystal he with hmx fiberglass bottom

[fluid ravine]

got it

[glacial wind]

But the sound is like crystal he where I barely see a change in sound

[fluid ravine]

mk mk

[glacial wind]

I do wonder what duhuk used because their fiber bottom had such a drastic change

[fluid ravine]

especially on that damn bottom out

i am still waiting on a switch with such bottom out like the duhuk

[static tendon]

Would you happen to know what the benefits of even having the Switch Selecter would be? Does it just help with the travel distance or something?

[glacial wind]

the baseline starting accuracy is improved 10x basically

because before switch selector it would take time to adjust and finetune the auto calibration

now it starts at that 10x better baseline for the newer switches

[static tendon]

What is the starting accuracy? Like right when the key actuates? So maybe like more subtle key presses can be registered more accurately?

[glacial wind]

basically your keyboard has a rough idea of the magnetic flux of each key press

[fluid ravine]

50 mins im ded

[glacial wind]

before switch selector it used the standard lekker v1 data

after switch selector it has better data to run off for tikkens etc which are 10x more precise than old lekker v1 data

so auto calibration has to do less work to get it precise

[static tendon]

I get that part, but like what exactly is benefited from that? Does it improve accuracy of key presses or something? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Just trying to understand it in more depth

[glacial wind]

yes, think of lekker v1 data as say 0.1 error margin in movement accuracy for example

[static tendon]

I see, so it's basically just calibration settings, it doesn't really do anything except understand your key presses more accurately I suppose

[glacial wind]

and switch selector data as 0.02 error margin

[static tendon]

Ahhhh I see

[glacial wind]

it allows the keyboard to give less leeway for error and be more precise right away

[static tendon]

There are certainly times where I would press a key very slightly and don't always get it to actutate 100% but this is like super random from my end. Could be due to odd calibration

Maybe this can make it a little more reliable

[glacial wind]

once switch selector is finalized we'll also allow lower deadzones, which will mean certain switches will drop to no/almost no deadzone

[static tendon]

Nice, that's awesome, ok cool. Appreciate you explaining that to me. It helps paint a better picture in my head

I just swapped out my regular Jades to Jade Pro's so maybe this will help calibrate the switches better

What's up @fluid ravine !

[fluid ravine]

oh hey wassup Kosmos

[glacial wind]

an interesting side note is we're realising how you measure or the tools used to measure really change up results in testing too. Like for example on our method of checking accuracy we have it accurate up to 0.02 now iirc, yet some reviewers test different and say it's not accurate

[static tendon]

Yo yo yoooo, got some new Jade Pro's for Christmas so I'm just enjoying those 🙂

[glacial wind]

so there's a disconnect in how some tools are used somewhere because on our end we're finding it accurate to 0.02

[fluid ravine]

oh naiceee

i am still waiting for a switch release in my interest

[glacial wind]

horses are the ones i'm excited to try personally

[fluid ravine]

nothings catching my eye quite yet...

[static tendon]

Gotcha, I know Wooting's been known for their reliability and their impressive software so I am glad to see Wooting continues to release great switches and improve their Beta version of Software as well

[fluid ravine]

clip clap clop sound

[glacial wind]

i'm just so curious to see how ttc's first round stem feels

[static tendon]

Didn't you mention you wanted one of those KOM switches? Maybe I'm forgetting at this point, it's certainly been a while

[fluid ravine]

im curious about that piece of plastic that is printed into grids

and how it influences the sound of the switch

[glacial wind]

yeah they've been experimenting a lot with all kinds of interesting internal things it seems

[fluid ravine]

KOM?
was really never interested into KOMS at all tbh

wasn't really fond of the switch

even with its stability factor

Hey sno where's the sound test data base again

[static tendon]

Yeah maybe it was @stray tiger who mentioned it. I'd have to dig around prior chats to find that

[glacial wind]

https://link.wooting.io/soundtests

[fluid ravine]

thanks

[static tendon]

They have some stability issues?

[fluid ravine]

nah stability is good

that's what they were known for

but sound wise it wasn't really for me anyways

[static tendon]

Ah gotcha

I'll never forget I ordered and installed the Jade Max switches and they had horrendous QC issues, they switch would flat out get stuck during a key press. It's like way too tight of a tolerance

[fluid ravine]

oh yea xd

[static tendon]

Understandable

[ionic breach]

[static tendon]

Anyone know if the Jade Max has gotten improvements since their inital release? It was so bad

[fluid ravine]

what the hellll hahahaa

[static tendon]

I like them for the fully clear housing but the QC issues were just insane, I don't even know how they got to production and were sold to people

[fluid ravine]

i'd be damn if it was still being sold

[static tendon]

Annnd they are https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGQ58W5T?th=1

[fluid ravine]

oh 😭

[static tendon]

72$ without coupon

[fluid ravine]

mmmmmmmmm hell no

[static tendon]

Super expensive, you'd think they'd be top notch too

[fluid ravine]

oof

i just need new switches for my v2 rn

or new everything for it

[static tendon]

I am planning on getting a V2 module and gifting my sister the V1 module I have

[nimble prawn]

is there any place i can find keycaps and cases for the wooting

60he

[fluid ravine]

wait that's nice

[fluid ravine]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[nimble prawn]

ty

[static tendon]

I don't think the 8k would make too big of a difference or at all but I like that upgrades typically include better stabs or maybe better lube on the stabs. Looking forward to that and plus my sister gets a Wooting, that's a W

[fluid ravine]

you thinking of og spacebar or split?

[static tendon]

Ayyy, that's the keyboard case I'm using, pretty cool how it's their front page picture

[fluid ravine]

haha forgot you have the salvation

[static tendon]

Honestly great question, I think I would go for the original spacebar but I'm not opposed to the split version. It's a genius design. I just like the traditional layout, more keycap compatibility

[fluid ravine]

ic

[static tendon]

Yesss, still running the White Salvation. Love this case

[fluid ravine]

who wouldn't haha

[static tendon]

Do you have the split variant for your V2?

[fluid ravine]

its a great case

[fluid ravine]

yup i indeed do

[static tendon]

Yeah it is. Super clean

[fluid ravine]

just wanted something different

[static tendon]

Any regrets on the split spacebar so far? Or nothing off or weird about it?

Did it take some getting used to?

[fluid ravine]

i didn't find the point of getting og spacebar cus well i already have my venom in 7u spacebar and my mx has a 7u layout as well

so i might as well try it out on my second HE board

[static tendon]

Yeah I feel it

[fluid ravine]

im going to be honest
i've only used my wooting v2 like 4 times, i haven't been to interested cus of my current build. It feels very lacky cus of its parts but ill work on it later

anyways about the split, it's interesting... def need to get use to it, when i game i thought i would use the left bar alone but apparently im like going in between the middle and left so i might have to like adjust to it

[fluid ravine]

oh for sure

[static tendon]

Might sound silly, but I prefer the traditional spacebar aesthetic a bit more. Not like it makes that big of a difference or anything. i'd have to think about which one I end up going for. But so far leaning towards the traditional spacebar

[fluid ravine]

ima bet you're not the only one on this

[static tendon]

Yeah I can totally see that being an interest feel. Like most our lives we type on these traditional styled keyboards and then to switch to a slightly different spacebar layout, that's got to be something that would feel odd at first

[static tendon]

Yeah maybe you're right. It's also why I like 60%'s. I might even pick a 60% over a 65% layout just mainly because it's a little more compact but I like the aesthetic of it better

[fluid ravine]

yeah that one little change you can for sure notice
it's like me going form 6.25u to 7u, same thing, it takes a slight adjustment but you will get over it pretty quickly.
I think the biggest and smallest noticeable change is Split backspace

instead of a big key on the back right corner, it's 2 extra keys and i use the \ | key as my actual backspace

and in the end i find some benefits out of it

[calm pulsar]

@fluid ravine astral church

[fluid ravine]

heheheheh

[calm pulsar]

are they poggers???

[static tendon]

Oh, happen to know if the Module also received the V2 Wooting upgrade or is it just the Wooting V2 which is sold as an entire keyboard?

[fluid ravine]

yes indeed they are

love em

[calm pulsar]

hmx better

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

HMX astral when

oh wait i just realized

oop

[calm pulsar]

astrals are hmx tho? xd

[fluid ravine]

mb

i forgot they made an astral switch in the fisrt palce

sigh

they sold out so i couldnt buy it

but i dont think they would be that different from my rawhuks

[static tendon]

I've tried a 7u spacebar like wayyyy back but I didn't really notice too much of a difference, I just didn't like how it made the keys next to fn a different size from what I remember

[calm pulsar]

maybe just a bit tighter on tolerances

[fluid ravine]

oh yeah the alt keys are like symmetrical

on both sides of the spacebar

then you have to use the split shift

[fluid ravine]

maybe

[ionic breach]

can someone make a 3hr reaction video to it

[glacial wind]

i appreciate the effort but yeah some editing does need to be done there

it's the struggle i think for most tech enthusiasts who want to do youtube, in that they love the tech side, but don't love the editing/youtube side - so it becomes the sticking point

but that applies to all categories really. Lots of people who want to do youtube with ideas, topics etc but if you don't love the youtubing/editing side of youtube then it's always going to be hard

[static tendon]

Anyone know why Wooting removed the Gateron Jades from their website? Is it like a temporary thing?

[ionic breach]

its still there for me

[static tendon]

This is what I'm seeing

[cyan lark]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magic-jade-switch?VariantsId=11143

[ionic breach]

scroll down?

[cyan lark]

Oh on wooting's site

mb

[static tendon]

Yeah since it was on their previously. I don't see it anymore though

[cyan lark]

but also https://wooting.io/product/gateron-magnetic-jade-switches?Size=70+pack

Yeah it does looks like both sizes are unavailable right now

[static tendon]

Ah, might just be out of stock but yeah the post still exists

[lyric nimbus]

ok it appears i might need to

lube my switches

i can hear this unplesant pinging sound in my owlabs

[ionic breach]

u in america?

if so they probably ran out in us and isnt restocking?

[static tendon]

Yes

[ionic breach]

cos its overpriced and not that good

[static tendon]

Amazon still carries them though

[ionic breach]

wooting

[cyan lark]

I imagine at some point it doesn't make sense for Wooting to stock them when everybody on here tells people not to buy them

[proud marsh]

hey guys, I fucked up my backspace stabilisers on the 60v2 - which one should I get to replace?

[glacial wind]

it's sold out in some regions and isn't being restocked

[glacial wind]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[static tendon]

People say not to purchase Jades?

[glacial wind]

they're just old and not great value compared to newer switches

[static tendon]

Have you tried other switches that you preferred more?

[glacial wind]

almost every other switch

those gateron jades are old old, not even jade pro

[static tendon]

Do you think Wootings Lekkars are better than the Jades?

[glacial wind]

they're before jade max, jade pro, etc

[static tendon]

Jade Pro’s have heavier springs though. I’d personally choose original jades over the pro’s

[glacial wind]

wobble wise yeah i'd rather lekker v2 than old jade

[static tendon]

Jade Max has horrible QC issues. I don’t even know how it went into production and sold to customers

[static tendon]

I gotcha. I have the Lekkar V1’s but I hear good things about the V2’s

[glacial wind]

well now i'd just get tikkens

[static tendon]

Specifically the wobble

[glacial wind]

but there's probably 30-50 other switches i'd buy before the old jades

there's kind of no reason for us to restock them

especially when tikkens are like $20 or whatever with module

[static tendon]

Have you by chance tried the Jade Max? I love the idea of them. I just had a horrible experience with them

[glacial wind]

yeah, it's my job to try switches

[static tendon]

Oh I see, do you work directly for Wooting or just a reviewer?

[glacial wind]

i work for wooting as their modding content creator

[static tendon]

What are you absolute favorite switches tried so far? Still being the Tikkens?

[glacial wind]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[oak jewel]

if he says anything besides tikkens, im reporting him internally

[static tendon]

That’s awesome haha!

[glacial wind]

use the switch database

[static tendon]

No need for FAQ, just curious on your own personal opinion

[fluid ravine]

Wooting Lekkers on top

[glacial wind]

those are my personal opinion, i made that

[static tendon]

Oh jk, it’s your own personalized list

[uneven cradle]

Raeds on top

[calm pulsar]

was just about to say that

[static tendon]

Yeah you’re totally right. I thought it was a generic FAQ page. Thank you, will review shortly

[glacial wind]

it needs a slight update though in that i'd move the stability switches around a bit for some newer stuff now that switch selector is out

so the actual database is more up to date than the image

i'm waiting for new ttc to arrive before i update image though

[static tendon]

When you tried Jade Max did you experience any switches getting stuck mid key press? I’m curious if they fixed it since I love the all clear housings they have

[glacial wind]

they haven't fixed it

i don't think it's fixable

[static tendon]

Ah, bummer. I wanted to give it another try

Sounds good

[glacial wind]

there's jade air which replaced it though, they just changed the stem

[static tendon]

Oooo

[glacial wind]

so it's not jade max anymore but a different switch

[uneven cradle]

MMD C1s are a great cheap alternative that aren't sticky

[glacial wind]

yeah i'd rather mmd c1 than any of the jade max/jade air stuff if i wanted good rgb

or phylina thunderflash pro

[static tendon]

Nice, I would’ve never known if you didn’t mention it. Did you like those switches by chance?

It’s not listed in your list

[glacial wind]

they're fine, but not the best

[static tendon]

So maybe it wasn’t too good

[glacial wind]

it's just dated by not being as well/tightly made by todays standards

switch world moves fast and if you use molds from 1-2 years ago it doesn't compete

[static tendon]

I typically will avoid colored housing switches. They’d need to be REALLY good for me to test it out

I don’t like how they mess with lighting personally

[fluid ravine]

no rgb>

[glacial wind]

have a look at mmd c1 honestly

they're fully clear and light press which seem to be your 2 requirements

[static tendon]

I see. I respect the knowledge you’ve gained over trying so many switches. It’s been while since I’ve tested around some of them

[static tendon]

Yeah

I typically enjoy a 55g spring weight similar to the original jades, preferably clear housing, clack over thock and reduced travel switches around 3.5mm. I don’t really like full 4mm switches

[glacial wind]

oh you don't want light press?

[static tendon]

Oh, I also can’t stand stem wobble. I know jades are the best but jade pros have been a solid upgrade

[uneven cradle]

well you don't have to worry about picking up any thocky switches

[glacial wind]

55g spring is a bit trickier to find as not many do 55g these days

[static tendon]

I own L45s V1, they’re a smidge too light for my liking. They cause accidental keypresses. They need to be a smidge heavier

[glacial wind]

most are doing 40-50g somewhere, so 55g is a bit tricky to find

[static tendon]

But yeah, I don’t think you could go wrong with lighter springs

[static tendon]

50g would be fine I think. 45g is too light for me

[static tendon]

True, wooting isn’t really known for Thocky sounds

[glacial wind]

try phylina thunderflash white

those are very stable, fully white/clear so no rgb messing, and 50g bottom with around 3.3-3.5mm bottom out

[static tendon]

Oh, @glacial wind happen to know if Wooting sells springs? I’d need to search around but for example, I own Jade Pros, pretty happy with them so far, but I’d just spring swap them all if I needed to. Not my preference haha but if there’s a way to make me like them more, I’m down for it

[glacial wind]

we do sell springs, it's a bit expensive shipping just springs though

[static tendon]

Ah! Perfect, thanks for your help. It’s not often I come across someone who’s tested a wide range of Hall effect switches

[glacial wind]

there's a soundtest of it on the switch database too

[static tendon]

I gotcha. I’ll likely be placing an order on the V2 module (I don’t think it’s out yet) but when I do, I’ll include springs and likely some switches too. Just cause tikkens get discounted during module/Wooting orders, I’ll likely put it in my order as well and down the line I might try out those Phylina Thunderflash white switches you’ve mentioned

[glacial wind]

yeah it's worth trying tikkens if you're buying a module at same time because it's so cheap

[static tendon]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too

[uneven cradle]

generally true for all HE switches

[static tendon]

Yeah exactly

[uneven cradle]

with some outliers like raeds

[glacial wind]

i think my haimu raed clone arrive today/tomorrow actually

curious to see if it's just like the xvx/tecsee ones

[static tendon]

When I’m checking spring weights for switches like the L45s (I know it’s in the name), the spec lists something like ‘30–45 cN’. Is cN the spring force measurement I should be looking at?

Also, I can’t find the actual spring weights for Jade Pro switches, if I were to guess, I’d assume they’re around 60g or higher?

[glacial wind]

there's starting force and ending force which are different, so just look for whether numbers say start or end/bottom

usually bottom is listed more often than top

[glacial wind]

the switch database i linked you to earlier also has bottom out weights listed for the switches that publicly list it

[static tendon]

This is what I’m getting. No way they’re 50g springs

[glacial wind]

don't listen to ai, it doesn't know stuff and is wrong 50% of the time

start/end force and length of spring can also change how it feels for you

jade pro are 50g bottom out but they are long springs so it may feel different to you than 50g 15mm spring

[ionic breach]

1cN is 1g(f)

u just times 100 then divide by 100

[static tendon]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-jade-pro-switch-set?srsltid=AfmBOooksHuYuXqDHcs4Zt2tU240ydMqtY7GbQ584R9nz2fwHvOeedV-&VariantsId=11135

Initial Force: 36±5gf
Total Travel: 3.5±0.1mm

Yeah these jades feel like a 60 gram switch to me

They’re very heavy. I think similar to L60s

@glacial wind if I purchased Linear45 springs and popped them into Jade Pro’s, do you think they’d feel heavier than my V1 L45’s?

The reason I say this is because L45s have a 4mm travel while the Jade Pros are like 3.5mm

You think it would compress the spring more, making it feel like it’s actually heavier?

Not sure how much spring swaps you’ve attempted

[glacial wind]

it's hard for me to say how you experience springs

you'd just have to try it out and see how you like it

[static tendon]

All good, I’m just trying to get a rough feel for it since spring swaps are pretty time consuming

[desert halo]

can anyone tell me from experience if the new lekker tikken switches r good

[static tendon]

I’ve done it before but on mechanical switches way back

[glacial wind]

they're a solid all rounder switch yes

[desert halo]

thanks

[static tendon]

I think what I’ll end up doing is just purchasing L45 V2’s rather than purchasing 45g springs.

For 5$ more I get switches and I can just gut the springs from them. I think in terms of value it makes more sense

Oh but you get a quantity of 135 springs. That does change things

[sacred elm]

Why Lekker V2? There are many switches with light springs that are much more stable than Lekker V2s and Jades.

[static tendon]

Well for Christmas I was gifted Jade Pro’s, but I think their spring is a bit heavy for my liking

I might be placing an order on the V2 Module (if it’s even out) and when I do, I was going to get that module, along with some Tikkens since I get a discount buying them this way

I was also considering to just purchase some L45 springs and spring swap the Jade Pro’s I got for Christmas

[static tendon]

Otherwise yeah, theres other switches I’d choose over the L45’s, they’re just the cheapest option

Anyone know if the 60HE+ Modules offer 8k polling rate? Or is that not out yet?
I didn’t see any mention of 8k polling on the module listed on Wooting’s official site

[glacial wind]

v1/+ versions are not 8k no

only v2 60he

[static tendon]

Has there been any updates or mentions of the Module receiving the 8k polling rate as well?

[ionic breach]

non v2 module?

cant its a hardware thing

[sacred elm]

60HE v2 module is 8k polling

[static tendon]

I guess it would be considered a Module V2 if it released

[sacred elm]

You can preorder it now

[static tendon]

Right but this isn’t listed on Wootings website yet? Or maybe I missed it?

I don’t want the entire keyboard, I just need the PCB

[sacred elm]

It's on the product page

[static tendon]

Ohhh, it’s not listed as a module until you click on the Wooting 60HE V2

[ionic breach]

its under 60he v2

[static tendon]

Under modules they only list the old variant

[sacred elm]

Yeah, you need to press 'Order now' then choose v2 module

[static tendon]

That’s why I didn’t see it before. I’d assume they’d eventually phase out the old module

[static tendon]

Yeah exactly. I found it here https://wooting.io/configurator/wooting-60he-v2?model=ANSI&lang=United+States&keycaps=none&quantity=1&product=module&switches=none&case=none

Thanks for confirming 👌

[slow storm]

im ngl, i miss ur old pfp

[trail bane]

Finally

[paper bison]

the dcf are coming today

https://tenor.com/view/ay-cabron-cat-smoke-smoking-cigar-gif-773313026608743745

[chilly mural]

Yeah!!!

Rakka time

[stoic ocean]

With keytok nova 🔥

[trail bane]

I was actually little surprised with this one

[solar tundra]

Where can you Import one?

[trail bane]

Superbuy? Or any other proxy service

[stoic ocean]

These are good switches; the sound tests on Bilibili were poor quality. I saw a YouTube video and I think they're pretty good.

[glacial wind]

They should do a version fully enclosed

That would be interesting vs the open split they have now which is polar pro but new material

[tawdry tree]

Yw! 😉

[tawdry tree]

They’ve been praised very highly on Twitter, if that’s anything to go by. 😂

[fallen pecan]

what the...the gt60 ultra only added double LEDs

[cloud crane]

💀

[trail bane]

Marketing sharks

[fervent rover]

Is it possible to mod the split spacebar on the 60HE v2 so that it is just two keys vs 3? Not sure this would be possible without 3D printing a custom keycap.

[chilly mural]

2 key as in how?

Just middle key gone?

[fervent rover]

Yes

[chilly mural]

You might be able to just remove keycap/switch in the middle and 3d print a cover

[fervent rover]

That's a good idea, might be easier to 3D print that vs a key with exact dimensions/measurements for the extra "+" it would need if I kept the switch in

maybe less stable but might work just fine

only issue is I do not have a 3D printer

https://tenor.com/view/ant-hormiga-hormiga-triste-hormiga-feliz-gif-13269155323285030180

[chilly mural]

I mean, a simple tape to cover the switch hole and a putty to fill the spot might work too

[fervent rover]

perhaps

@chilly mural u reckon that one of the longer keycaps in this set would fit i think the "+" will be missaligned

if i removed the switch from the middle key like you suggested

the left spacebar for example if i put a longer keycap from this set above, i dont think the "+" would be aligned but im no expert to how these keycaps are crafted

[chilly mural]

It wont fit, it needs to be slightly off center and add up to 6.25u to make it cover the middle key

[fallen pecan]

hot glue both caps together

[glacial wind]

@fallen pecan you know if wuque's ocean whisper is fully pa12 or just the housing while stem stayed as other material?

[ruby hill]

Iirc Jade ultra is spark but with pom stem

[fallen pecan]

gt60ultra, not the jade ultra

[ruby hill]

Oh my bad

[glacial wind]

ty

[flat cobalt]

@sacred elm flux dethroned

I regret not buying the cherry love keycaps

[ionic breach]

that is one nice horse

[deft jolt]

diff spring length

it's much nicer than spark

dunno if pom stem is doing allat

[glacial wind]

Eh I don’t know about much nicer

It’s 3mm spring difference and stem material changed but otherwise it’s same thing

If anything the nice thing is it’s priced reasonably now

[tawdry tree]

gat and PC on PC 🫣

we’re lucky sparks aren’t dual rail 😭

[trail bane]

Hehe let’s start

[warped glade]

I am never getting my switch order if UniUni keeps this up

[tawdry tree]

which layout you going with?

[trail bane]

first of all I'll try stock konfig(7u), then idk:)

[chilly mural]

split 7u!!

[trail bane]

I don't have any 3u Keycaps for now :(

[chilly mural]

split 6.25u, whole shift on both, iso enter, split backspace

[trail bane]

damn

ok

[chilly mural]

actually what I want to do but with split 7u if I get the board myself

[narrow flax]

is this normal? P is lower than O

[tawdry tree]

no

is the O higher or the P lower?

[narrow flax]

here is another one

Ä is higher than the rest

[silk hound]

have fun building brother!

[tawdry tree]

press it harder

it’s hard to tell

[tawdry tree]

seems like O is higher, P a bit lower, then Å even lower

I think you’re pressing them on too gently haha

[narrow flax]

is this for key caps or switches? xD

or both

[tawdry tree]

both

[chilly mural]

top for switch, bottom for caps

[narrow flax]

oh

ok

[rough hedge]

Its labeled lol

[buoyant egret]

Getting the ENTER key to stay in place is difficult. Its very wobbly and way too easy to remove. It feels like the bottom switch is attaching perfectly but the top one is kinda bending when attaching? So it doesnt enter correctly

Not sure, but it feels wrong and sounds different (way louder then the other keys)

They are moving around a lot when attempting to attach it, maybe thats why? ill keep trying 😄

[glossy pagoda]

Keys only ever use one switch. Larger keys use stabilizers, not additional switches... I wonder if you're trying to put an ISO enter key on an ANSI layout keyboard

[buoyant egret]

Ah i just dont know anything, its a green switch and 2 white ones, which are probably the stabilizers

The white ones are moving around quitre a lot though, which i suppose they should to stabilize? 😄

[glossy pagoda]

I suggest to make a post in #1019755933959733258 and include pictures

[buoyant egret]

that was a weird video to make but yeah

it was easier to make it wobble with my finger but my fat finger is blocking all the view 😄

[tawdry tree]

the stabilizers, yeah. they’re supposed to move freely

[buoyant egret]

oh alright, ill keep trying. Because when i remove the enter key, it loosen from the top like nothing, and gets stuck on the lower stabilazer.

I think it doesnt correctly gets atached? no idea

but it feels loose when clicking on enter

[tawdry tree]

press the keycap on with a bit more force

see if that helps

not sure if it’s seated properly

[tawdry tree]

more so than the shift key below enter?

[buoyant egret]

Went full gamer rage on it and it feels like its properly attached now 😄 It still sounds louder and more clicky, but it doesnt un-attach when spam clicking it anymore

[tawdry tree]

yeah, all keys with stabilizers sound a bit different from keys without

[buoyant egret]

ohh right, that makes sense then 🙂

[trail bane]

Eeeh, first impressions are kinda meh

Plate mount stabs suck, GMK tiramisu looks sucks on cream leggera, mods sounds like shit(stabs problem first of all), FR4 plate sucks

now let's try fix this

[timid cobalt]

Are the new lekker tikken any good or should I just replace them with my own he switches

[deft jolt]

what u got

[deft jolt]

I mean if u come to this chat, ure likely to meet Tikken diehards

[glacial wind]

you haven't really told us what you're using yet

so we don't know what you're even comparing them to

[alpine apex]

will the keyboard change at all if I took the pcb out

[glacial wind]

if you're buying a v2 it kind of is a no brainer to pick up tikkens unless you have a specific other switch type you prefer though, since it's absurdly cheap to buy tikkens with a module/in the pre-built

[glacial wind]

i'm not sure what you're asking

what do you mean change?

[alpine apex]

like perfomance wise

will it affect how it plays

[glacial wind]

what do you mean by take it out though

[alpine apex]

js take it iut

[glacial wind]

like play with no case?

[alpine apex]

i took it out to make sure everything's fine

no put it back in but

me taking it out does it make it any different from when I first got it

[glacial wind]

oh it's you again. If you ask more troll questions i'm going to time you out

[alpine apex]

bro i js have bad ocd

[glacial wind]

you already asked this earlier and i told you the answer

[alpine apex]

it's a different question

[glacial wind]

it's the same question. I told you taking it out doesn't affect it

stop repeating the same question

[alpine apex]

ok

srry

[timid cobalt]

in ur opinion do u think the stock switches are good

[glacial wind]

he doesn't own a wooting

[glacial wind]

you haven't told us what you're looking for in a switch or anything else about what you like, so we don't know how to answer you

[deft jolt]

ye

[deft jolt]

I don't have wooting, but I have tikkens

when I first tried I didn't like em. but I haven't used them in awhile cos I'm on vacation

I can try them tomorrow when I get home

[deft jolt]

whats that

also I'm on the plane home

😭

I miss home

[trail bane]

Stock Atlas, DCF switches

[deft jolt]

ah okay

[timid cobalt]

probably thocky with minimal stem wobble

[glacial wind]

thocky doesn't exist so that's kind of out

[timid cobalt]

ok then a deeper sound profile one

[glacial wind]

tikkens are deeper than most switches

not all but it's on a muted deeper end

stem wobble wise they're about average

better than old lekker v2 but not as tight as say UFO (but ufo have a bit too tight feeling for some)

if you're unsure just get the tikkens and you can pick up something else later

[deft jolt]

flip kom

is quite muted and low pitch

good snappy feeling, good lube?, spring is good but I'm not that schizo on springs

[glacial wind]

it's also like $60 more though

[deft jolt]

how much is tikken

[glacial wind]

like $20 with v2 or less in pre-built

[deft jolt]

v2 lekker so meh

[glacial wind]

it's dirt cheap when you buy a v2

[trail bane]

@tawdry tree

[glacial wind]

not lekker

[deft jolt]

oh u meant the board

[glacial wind]

i mean with v2 60he

[deft jolt]

I mean it's up to him

the v2 board deal seems nice

[glacial wind]

i also wouldn't really recommend flip kom until we have an idea of ttc whole range of switches

just because they have so much stuff coming out right in next small period that it's best to see the whole range before committing to their high end priced stuff where you're paying $70-120 for switches

unless you're the type to buy tons of switches constantly that is

it would suck if you buy flip kom and find out new horses are nicer for example

[deft jolt]

that is true

there's always smth new coming out

gambling is bad

[glacial wind]

ttc and gateron both have the whole new range announced already, so means it's real soon

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-no-cat-no-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-gif-5478596456695677807

[glacial wind]

ttc silent is close too

and horses i assume we'll see more tests and info on them within next couple weeks

[robust siren]

how else will i get my wuwa waifus

[deft jolt]

yeah

[deft jolt]

I also saw one of the unreleased switch in the office

[timid cobalt]

so should i just wait for the newest switches to come out

[glacial wind]

they have a bunch of stuff coming, but we probably shouldn't be talking about unreleased stuff

[deft jolt]

it's up to u

there's always new shit coming out

[glacial wind]

are you buying a v2?

[timid cobalt]

ya

[glacial wind]

then just get tikkens

the other switches coming out will always come out and you can try them out later when they come out

and they're all also 3-4x the price of tikkens

so it's generally a good idea to just get tikkens as your stock switch, then you can swap them later if you don't like them or find something else

[deft jolt]

with the deal*

[lucid juniper]

damn I missed out getting my switches in a different order then

[timid cobalt]

mm i see

tikkens are also 50% off rn right

[glacial wind]

well yeah course he's buying a v2, so no need to specify

[deft jolt]

my Tikken were 80

I died

[glacial wind]

yes if you buy tikkens with module it's insanely cheap

or with prebuilt

[deft jolt]

it's for whoever else is reading

btw does the Tikken not have an option to ship from china

[timid cobalt]

ok then ill probably just get the tikkens and then switch if i find one i really like

[glacial wind]

no. tariffs are a thing and wooting doesn't cheat on taxes

[timid cobalt]

thanks

[deft jolt]

but I'm in Singapore

shipping from Europe is deadly

😭

[glacial wind]

we have a hk warehouse too, but it only stocks some things

[deft jolt]

I paid 35 on shipping or sum

almost cried

especially when I didn't like the switch

[glacial wind]

yeah our pricing isn't really designed for shipping small items

it's all priced assuming you buy a keyboard

[deft jolt]

is a refund still possible

or how

[glacial wind]

if you want to be a scumbag then sure

[deft jolt]

im a scumbag 💔

[glacial wind]

go for it, but that's also why good refund deals die and you end up with chinese brands who have shitty warranties

[deft jolt]

the switches just don't feel or sound good and 80 dollars just sucks

[glacial wind]

also you're paying for return shipping

[deft jolt]

die

it's over

😭

Europe shipping is so expensive

[glacial wind]

it's impressive to both be trying to abuse a really nice return policy and complain about paying for return shipping at the same time

[deft jolt]

chill bro

[glacial wind]

you realise most brands aren't amazon, and if you actually want to work in the hobby it's pretty scumbag to be trying to abuse return policies

[deft jolt]

ure misunderstanding but okay

[glacial wind]

not really much to misunderstand if you use switches for awhile, then try to return them later used with no actual fault

[ebon quiver]

is there any switch currently that is smoother than tikkens? by smooth i mean least scratchy, the least amount of friction on off centre presses, etc

basically a switch where you just feel the resistance of the spring and that's it (to the degree that is physically possible at the moment ofc)

[glacial wind]

maybe the 035 maglev stuff? but those still use a spring and sidewalls so probably not actually

[ebon quiver]

disregard sound or wobble, btw

[sturdy rock]

I think u need more lube

[glacial wind]

smoothness i doubt it, because there's not much that can be done beyond that smoothness wise

i think he's asking a hypothetical

not as in he's saying his switches are scratchy lol

maybe material wise if you maybe make tikkens with some hyper self lubricated material? But costs would be crazy probably to use a real self lubricated materials (pom isn't, as least not the pom normally used)

[ebon quiver]

ye mostly hypothetical, i've lubed tikkens, they're pretty good and smooth, arguably more smooth than with the stock lube job

but got curious does it get actually any better? as in is there any upgrades to look forward to or is this kinda it for now

[glacial wind]

nah i don't think there's anything really there for smoothness besides self lubing like you said to spread the lube better than machine lube

[austere creek]

ptfe switches when

[ebon quiver]

i remember switching from lekkers v2 to geon raws and they seemed to be smoother to me, but tikkens seem to be on par if not even better

[glacial wind]

an interesting fact is there were options for more stable versions of wootings chosen switch, but they were passed on because friction was possible if we went too stable

so stability vs smoothness is always a bit of a concern with minimising wobble

[ebon quiver]

i saw them ball bearing switches, but thought they'd just eventually developer grooves from dissimilar materials rubbing together and immediately thought about ptfe lined switches lol

[glacial wind]

i did discuss some things with product team recently, just for testing out stuff with switch development. so maybe we'll get to see some different lekkers in the future

switch stuff takes forever though, so who knows what the final versions of whatever wootings next switch will look like down the line

one trend i noticed is a lot of people are moving away from the large fully enclosed walled ttc stems

because they just don't sound or feel as good even when stable due to feeling the walls hitting the sides

the big square block seems to be getting less popular

[cloud crane]

I did see HMX using a POM + PTFE blend in one of their newer switches

[cyan lark]

I thought teflon switches were already a thing?

[ebon quiver]

[cyan lark]

NVM I was thinking nylon

[glacial wind]

i remember people used to use ptfe and fluoro wax in ski/snowboard racing and you would glide like crazy for one run then have to re-do it again lol

but man you would be fast for that one run

[cyan lark]

Yeah teflon slippery as heck and tastes great on cereal (hot or cold!)

[austere creek]

now that you say that i wonder why sander didnt sell his cereal meme switches

[cyan lark]

Switchy-O's

™

[cloud crane]

For ultra smooth switches there was the Keygeek Cera, I think they used ceramic powder to achieve that smoothness

[rough hedge]

Yummy PFAS!

[ebon quiver]

That's kinda how it is for me, people always talk about wobble this wobble that, but I just want a switch that is as frictionless as possible lol

[cyan lark]

It really sticks with you!

[glacial wind]

i really really hope ttc horse is actually good

[cyan lark]

Is that a split switch? Haven't been keeping up

[glacial wind]

nah it's normal switch except it has random weird parts inside it to improve sound dampening

split stem i actually don't mind fully enclosed ones, but i dislike that all of them are 3.2mm

3.2mm feels a bit too short travel where i have to adjust more

[rough hedge]

I caved and ordered UFOs. Surprisingly ships from the US and getting them tmrw

[glacial wind]

it's why i'm curious about ttc's other unreleased switch too

their full split stem 3.5mm one

[austere creek]

wooting 4mm split stem when

[rough hedge]

Qian switches

[cyan lark]

Jeez 3.2mm

[glacial wind]

I dislike sound of the non enclosed split stems

[cyan lark]

Soon we'll just have surface mount switches, 0.2mm travel

[glacial wind]

They all have that weird mushy sound

[cloud crane]

Have any HE switch companies tried to experiment beyond the usual materials (PC, POM, Nylon, POK, LY)

[glacial wind]

probably extremely expensive

even pa12 requires some experimentation because the sizing changes when cooling iirc

[cloud crane]

Yeah sadly

[sweet oak]

Crunch

[cyan lark]

I really miss your old elk pfp. Only PFP I enjoyed around here 🙂

Or was it a reindeer?

Crunch aesthetics

[sweet oak]

The one that was licking the screen?

[cyan lark]

Yeah

[sweet oak]

Crunch

[cloud crane]

PEI, PBT, UPE, UMWHPE, Melamine Formaldehyde (the non toxic one) and LCP are all interesting materials

[sturdy rock]

There so expensive tho

[rough hedge]

Yup, ended up being $1.18/switch 🥲

[tawdry tree]

I think because of the echo and phone mic it sounds more like regular fluxies than DCFs to me 😂

how do you like it?

and is this still with the LED PCB on?

[trail bane]

Ye

It sucks in stock

[tawdry tree]

I don’t like FR4

I’d try alu w/o LED PCB

see how much of an improvement that is

[trail bane]

Like, you need to be mega careful with led pcb while using oring😢

[tawdry tree]

road to raw alu 1 step at a time 😭

[tawdry tree]

is this just caused by the LED PCB or the main PCB too?

RAKKA had some difficulty with the dimensions of the gummy cutouts

[trail bane]

Oh

Lowk that’s main PCB fault

[tawdry tree]

yeah thought so

weird I haven’t seen it mentioned before

[trail bane]

That’s sucks actually

[tawdry tree]

yeah

happens at every post?

[trail bane]

It feels like it would make sense to use only pcbnap/keysnap, although the PCB itself just doesn’t fully fit. I don’t think I could simply grind off a piece of the pcb

[tawdry tree]

you can sand/file FR4 and there aren’t any traces there, but still

[trail bane]

It depends on how you insert the PCB: either all the top ones line up perfectly and the bottom ones don’t, or the other way around

[tawdry tree]

interesting

[trail bane]

Tight as hell

[tawdry tree]

I’ve seen so many atlas used in the legg, there’s no way ppl didn’t notice

[trail bane]

Indeed

[tawdry tree]

it might be more noticeable on the painted/cream legg

or maybe geon changed to a bigger bit size to save on the machining cost for the legg 😂

yk, if you have fairly rough sandpaper, you could mark all the corners that need sanding and sand them a bit. when I sanded the venom’s db, it went pretty fast

do it outside tho, if you do it

[trail bane]

Yeah i’ll try

[tawdry tree]

I’ll get a legg for mine eventually (when red isn’t out of stock 24/7)

[trail bane]

In any case, I should probably order PCBSnaps as well

[tawdry tree]

I should’ve mentioned you could get both ur leg and PCB/KEYsnaps from tb

[tawdry tree]

delta still has em in stock I lied, only KEYsnap 🥀

but they wouldn’t resolve the issue

[trail bane]

Fixed

[tawdry tree]

with sandpaper?

[silent sparrow]

anyone have any suggestions for custom feet/risers for 60he standard case? pref something fitted or molded instead of propping it up on a book or something. hoping to get the typing angle closer to 8 degrees so will need something that will lift 7+ mm

[glacial wind]

oh escaldi likes the v2. Nice photos from him as expected https://x.com/Escaldi/status/2005472915878203738

Escaldi (@Escaldi)

Wooting 60HE V2 - Raw first impressions

- The friction mount is excellent. It’s a brilliant implementation.

- Overall typing feel and feedback are very satisfying, and it sounds good as well.

- The split spacebar is something I’m still getting used to, but I can already see

X · Dec 29, 2025, 2:56 AM

[fervent rover]

Would this HE v2 fit in this case?

https://kbdfans.com/collections/holy60/products/holy60-keyboard-kit?variant=42630706495627

[sacred elm]

Yeah

[fervent rover]

Thanks

How do you know? I would like to understand myself how to know if its compatible

[versed pivot]

There is a list

[sacred elm]

It has been tested by Wooting. Fits nicely with the friction fit pad, but no grounding. It's recommended to install one screw on the top-right to ground the module.

[fervent rover]

oh fr

I can friction mount it

[sacred elm]

Yes

[fervent rover]

How do you know its been tested? Is there a video I can watch?

[sacred elm]

@glacial wind is using Holy60+V2 module as far as I know

[glacial wind]

yep, it's already in the official compatibility tested case database

https://library.wooting.io/248eb391798480d7a016e27c591cf94f?v=248eb391798481df8b1f000c3aa064f5

[fervent rover]

Cool thanks

did you friction mount it? ore use screws

[glacial wind]

both

both fit, it's listed on the compatibility list what mounts are compatible as well

[fervent rover]

I wonder what the polycarbonate version of this case would sound like vs aluminium

[sturdy rock]

Has anyone tried or looked at the gateron jade delta switches how are they

[glacial wind]

They’re in our sound test database already

They’re solid. Nothing crazy but they match up to rest of other typical gateron walled switches

[trail bane]

@tawdry tree not gonna lie but LED PCB is actually making sound way better

more deaper

[trail bane]

But another issue came up. The screws that secure the so-called adapter sit slightly higher than the rest of the PCB, which causes uneven flex at the top of the board(the left side is noticeably stiffer)

Or I’m tripping, I don’t know what’s going wrong

[waxen cove]

is there a wooting keycaps list

[rough hedge]

what do you mean keycap list?

[waxen cove]

like the lists you have for cases and switches is there one for keycaps

[sturdy rock]

Key caps depends on what you like

Most keycaps fit the switches

Cause the switches are Hall effect so some are not compatible etc

[rough hedge]

No, since there would be hundreds if not thousands
Wooting is compatible with most MX-style keycaps

[sturdy rock]

Same goes for case

[lyric nimbus]

ok

i threw cerakeys onto my wooting 2he

it sounds ungodly nice now

they're so DEEP

i'm baffled at how nice it sounds

[trail bane]

Ok, now looks like I fixed ts

[humble surge]

ayy, you got BAKKA finally?

[trail bane]

Not without problems but yeah

[humble surge]

Whats the deal? some big issue with PCB?

[trail bane]

I need pcbsnaps ASAP

[humble surge]

thats some tool to help place it or?

[trail bane]

With case generaly, but that's mainly also PCB's fault

[humble surge]

i see

[trail bane]

Alternative mounting instead of O-ring

[humble surge]

idk how it works, i never really took the wooting apart either, so can't tell how they fit together or differ

[tawdry tree]

there’s foam between both PCBs as well. probably has a similar effect to the adhesive foam (for the back of the PCB) many OEMs use now

[trail bane]

Anyways I'm getting the PCBsnaps for sure

[tawdry tree]

was it the screws? or the wires, cause those stick out at a 90° angle 😄

[trail bane]

Screws fault, and yeah all I said before is complete bullshit

this one could be unfixeble

[tawdry tree]

did you mean that the screws stick out to a point where they hit the case itself?

bottom out in the case more like*

[trail bane]

Yes, I even swaped the stock screws for my own with ultra flat heads

the effect was minimal

[tawdry tree]

stock ones are as flat as can be already right?

IIRC, they used macbook screws for everything lmao

[trail bane]

I can’t show it properly but there’s noticeable inconsistency between the sides

[tawdry tree]

yeah it’s clear

legg is not optimally compatible

which oring did you get?

[trail bane]

stock one

40A?

That's fucked up

[tawdry tree]

a stiffer one would probably “solve” it, more like equalizing it but w/e

does the legg include foam pieces for on the gummy posts?

[trail bane]

no

[tawdry tree]

I’m thinking if you put something small on those posts, it’d raise the PCB a little and solve it

[trail bane]

type shi

I'll try to do more yesterday

[tawdry tree]

lol

[trail bane]

Unc don't get leggera

[tawdry tree]

I have keysnaps and pcbsnaps on the way as well

so should be good

but I kinda doubt how well they’ll work with the LED PCB on

considering the thickness

[tawdry tree]

and looking at ts, it almost looks like the PCB is thicker than the keysnaps 💀

[trail bane]

Today I honestly don't know what else to try

my last hope is PCBsnaps, otherwise I've just scratched the leggera lol

[tawdry tree]

Either stiffer oring/pcbsnap or raising the whole pcb a little (not sure how much room you have in the legg before you’ll be able to see under the keycaps).

Only solutions I think

Gn

[trail bane]

Gn

[marble harbor]

I just received my v2 module and alumaze case!! I’m a little intimidated on where to start. I read somewhere that I need to place screw to ground it for the friction fit. Is there a video I can follow?

[deft jolt]

whats the tikken weight

[marble harbor]

The new tikken switches, medium I think

[deft jolt]

im retrying it now

[sturdy rock]

Check wooting YouTube there should be a guide

[marble harbor]

I see the guide for friction fit but I’m just a little lost on how to ground it on the alumaze

[sturdy rock]

Nvm

Disregard what i said i forgot

Yeah u do need to ground it it just says to screw like one screw one standoff

[marble harbor]

I also read online that it could possibly be grounded with an additional sponge/faraday foam piece added in the case near the ucb allowing for full friction fit but idk what to do lol

[marble harbor]

If I do that do I add in all the standoffs but then only screw into the top right one?

[sturdy rock]

U just need to screw 1 standoff

[fluid ravine]

in terms of installation, you dont need to do much here
Friction fit the module into the case can be quite simple and i wouldnt worry much about grounding it as well. But if you want to ground just install the friction fit as shown in the youtube video and screw in a screw into the standoff that is located near the usb port

[sturdy rock]

I mean wouldn’t any standoff location work maybe except like middle cause the gasket but towards the sides

[marble harbor]

I read the top right is the only standoff that works with the friction fit layer in

Also why in your opinion would you not worry about grounding it

Because imo, I think it’s kind of stupid to use friction fit and then have to put in a screw tbh

[fluid ravine]

normally when friction fitting you dont use screws at all, another mounting system that friction fitting relates to is gummy mounting. If you screw in a screw in any other point of the board especially like the one on the bottom right, it will off center the USB port slightly and cause a misalignment

I'd say usually it'd be best to not use a screw for these types of mounts and use the mount as is

but if you are that worried about grounding the pcb into the case then you may do as you please

[chrome marlin]

alu or pc plate with ceramic keycaps? (alu case)

[fluid ravine]

that's exactly how i feel

[marble harbor]

Not that I’m necessarily worried, it’s just on wootings website it says the alumaze case needs a grounding screw for friction fit

[sturdy rock]

Ahh i see i was just curious why yeah ik frictions it usually dont use screws

[frail hemlock]

You should remove both standoffs and either use a screw or use conductive foam or metal sponge to ground somewhere arouns the usb port.

[sturdy rock]

I think its cause wooting aluminum case prob touches the module at some part while the alumaze case doesn’t requiring grounding

[marble harbor]

Well the new aluminum case and the optimum case have a little sponge piece near the usb port that grounds them

The alumaze doesn’t

[fluid ravine]

Wooting's v2 case with its v2 pcb doesn't make any contact with the pcb at all really
they have silicone knubs that are placed on each post grooves to avoid contact with the case
and with their lil sponge thing, well its just there for grounding

[marble harbor]

But on some Reddit threads I read said I could possibly buy material like that sponge and add it to the case

[fluid ravine]

you can

[marble harbor]

What do yall think about that?

[sturdy rock]

Yeah u can do that

[fluid ravine]

i wouldnt really care at all tbh

[marble harbor]

Haha

Do yall know where I could find that?

[sturdy rock]

I would think small chance of electrical charge damaging anything

[marble harbor]

Or what it would be called?

Because I really don’t want to use screws lol

[fluid ravine]

yeah i mean that is the point of the sponge thing, its to avoid those small chances but i also doubt it would even happen

[sturdy rock]

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