🔧│keyboard_modding

[glacial wind]

and i don't mean you aligner so don't worry

[tawdry tree]

we lost mj to you already bro

chill pls

[steady halo]

michael jackson?

wait

sno killed him?

[tawdry tree]

ye sno killed him

⛓️‍💥

[steady halo]

WHYYYY

[glacial wind]

i'm always open to discussions but man, it's so hard to have a discussion if the logic and reasoning behind it is "well you're all braindead and I'm correct". That's why despite us not agreeing i still respect that you're at least trying to explain some logical reasoning behind things

[honest nacelle]

despite how you generalise our 'chats' this isn't abt how I use my specific boards. Matter of fact idrc how other ppl use their boards but the fact that wooting is somehow unable to develop a pcb where they're not sacrificing performance and supporting multiple layouts and there are other pcbs that support multiple layouts and perform better while costing the same or less

[steady halo]

he is the king of pop

[honest nacelle]

I just call out dumb decisions and if you choose to try to vehemently defend wooting's stupid takes and decisions

[tawdry tree]

fr 😭

[honest nacelle]

for a 'business'

at least wear the badge

[glacial wind]

except there aren't. Their problem is prebuilts being offered on that same pcb

which i've tried to explain to you multiple times

[calm pulsar]

I remember as a kid seeing news that he passed away 😥

[honest nacelle]

did we forget that if you offer multiple layouts

[glacial wind]

but you ignore it over and over and just say "rakka could do it, they just don't want to or need to because they're smaller"

[honest nacelle]

the prebuilt options don't change

[steady halo]

same

[tawdry tree]

HM did it.

[honest nacelle]

you can have one pcb support many layouts and your prebuilt layout options only change the way in which its preconfigured

that's fine

[steady halo]

my apple music playlist mostly filled by him

[glacial wind]

please aligner, we're talking about D's thing, not your layout stuff

[honest nacelle]

but the option to change should be there without having to buy a whole new pcb

[tawdry tree]

that is the comparison

[honest nacelle]

he's well in the right here

that's directly my point

examples of multilayout prebuilt boards exist

[uneven cradle]

I thought the HM one was still not released

[tawdry tree]

2+ years already bro

[glacial wind]

wait i'll find the quote then maybe you'll understand

[steady halo]

7u but i hate small right shift

huh

[honest nacelle]

HM have several multilayout boards now

[uneven cradle]

I mean specifically the one that supports what we're talking about

[tawdry tree]

small being 1.75u bro?

[glacial wind]

yeah you guys are missing the point

[calm pulsar]

well it's usually the case with tsangan? you have symmetrical bottom row and split right shift

[glacial wind]

we're not talking about being able to have multiple formats and a prebuilt

[steady halo]

ye, 1.75u

[glacial wind]

we're talking about this specific format and options in prebuilt

[steady halo]

that shit is small like pp

[tawdry tree]

get yourself a 64% with a 1u rshift 🥰

[honest nacelle]

what

[steady halo]

THAT'S HELLA SMALL

[cyan lark]

Did you say 1u Rshift?

[tawdry tree]

big enough bro

[calm pulsar]

1.75u is pretty big in my book! am I right

[glacial wind]

do you know who or where that explanation wooting posted about the prebuilt issue was @tawdry tree i can't remember where it was posted

[tawdry tree]

1.75 is massiveeee

[cyan lark]

Do you even RShift bruh?

[glacial wind]

I think the problem here is D hasn't read that part

[calm pulsar]

git split

[steady halo]

not sure, but i hate 75% because of the right shift

[cyan lark]

I'm fuggin gonna

[steady halo]

yesss

[glacial wind]

so while we're both talking with knowledge of the whole prebuilt issue wooting said they had, i don't think he has

[cyan lark]

Watch me

[tawdry tree]

not sure, was it ever even posted or just on stream?

[honest nacelle]

I'll save you the trouble - no excuse wooting can give will clarify this

[steady halo]

When I am coding, i use the right shift without realizing it

[honest nacelle]

there are real world examples of pcbs that support multiple layouts without sacrifices

[glacial wind]

i feel i remember it being posted somewhere by simon but i can't find it

[honest nacelle]

boards that exist right now

[cyan lark]

Using RShift without thinking about it is a sign of ascendance

[glacial wind]

that's not the prebuilt issue we're talking about D

[honest nacelle]

then what

[tawdry tree]

it wasn’t sufficient to me though.

[honest nacelle]

the pcb not being able to do multilayout without 'sacrifices'?

[glacial wind]

yeah i know you disagree with it still aligner, but do you know where it was posted

[steady halo]

and i like 7u because the fn key is closer and i can split backspace

[glacial wind]

so at least D will know what we're talking about

[glacial wind]

no it's not about that, it's about prebuilt complexities

[tawdry tree]

I don’t, I just remember him talking about it on stream

[honest nacelle]

explain

[glacial wind]

that's what I was trying to do the whole time but the discussion kept getting railroaded

[honest nacelle]

then go

you have the floor

[steady halo]

wait

why

[honest nacelle]

explain these 'complexities'

[steady halo]

are u guys

[glacial wind]

the tl;dr is it's not that they can't do multiple formats on one pcb

[steady halo]

still debating

this

when the product is already decided

[honest nacelle]

because jed is either inept at explaining or blindly defending dumb decisions that he had no part in

oh

[glacial wind]

it's that the multiple formats on one pcb was exactly what they wanted to do but it caused issues with the prebuilt process

[uneven cradle]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[honest nacelle]

okay so they were lazy

cool gotcha

[glacial wind]

hrm i guess maybe it was only on stream where he explained further

[calm pulsar]

yeah but they still do 2 different skus and the module

[glacial wind]

it's not really explained well there

[honest nacelle]

actually 4 skus

ansi unified, ansi split, iso unified, iso split

[tawdry tree]

for broad multi layout support that is true (or more difficult to solve at least) but not really with split space

[calm pulsar]

iso unified sounds like european union

[honest nacelle]

if rakka said that they had issues like that I'd believe them - but the pcb itself is the only part that needs to be multilayout

the plate kind of too

but its not like custom plates don't exist

and i know damn well that custom plates for mutlilayout exist by the DOZEN

[tawdry tree]

rakka’s story is different though, they don’t have to deal with the traces of the LEDs

[steady halo]

nah man

[stray tiger]

It's also a different set of keycaps and stabs so the micro-skus make a pre-built more difficult

[steady halo]

don't talk about custom plate yet

[tawdry tree]

with board multi layout support + LEDs you’d need like 6 layers at least

[glacial wind]

I feel like every time rakka has an issue you blindly support and believe it's for a reason and if wooting has the same issue you just say generalized stuff like lazy and 'wooting can do it they're bigger and have more money'

[honest nacelle]

sure but theres going to be an rgb venom prebuilt with multilayout, rakka lumens iirc have unified and split space layouts

[tawdry tree]

(with the sensors directly below the switch (that matters too)

[steady halo]

until they make the standoff on the pcb or sell the plate separately

[honest nacelle]

I legitimately can't even name the last time rakka had an engineering issue

and I don't blindly support them - they just haven't made dumb decisions yet

[tawdry tree]

split space they can def do without the complexity, that’s why I don’t find simon’s thing sufficient

there’s enough room below space to do everything

[honest nacelle]

choosing not to continue offering prebuilts because A) their customers can't be trusted and B) their manu couldn't keep up isn't their fault

[glacial wind]

translation: They made decisions that support my niche and so it's not a dumb decision

[uneven cradle]

They had a ignore Geons request for firmware updates issue

[honest nacelle]

wooting not offering basic mounting support, or logical layout support is entierly their fault however

[honest nacelle]

ykw i'll give you that

[tawdry tree]

the discontinuation of V1 and price increase of V2 worries me too

[honest nacelle]

there was hella other issues

as the main reason why geon went away from rakka

and not the fw updates but I'll give jed a foothold there

[glacial wind]

the irony of all of this is that we pretend that I'm typing all of this because i'm purposely not backing venom or other boards

but i was literally the one who told you and your entire crew about venom

way before it was launched and how great it was going to be

[uneven cradle]

Idk just out respect of Geon Rakka is dead to me

[honest nacelle]

?

[steady halo]

(2)

[glacial wind]

you always paint me as some 'wooting only backer' but i'm literally the OG venom guy

[steady halo]

i heard about venom since october i guess(?)

[honest nacelle]

I would like to remind you that you're not a mouthpiece for geon, nor a large reason for me and my circles' knowledge of geon and venom

[glacial wind]

I was the one who explained to you about geon and his upcoming HE keyboard and how great it was going to be lol

[steady halo]

i saw a korean reviewer

[tawdry tree]

Geon didn’t need Rakka anyway

[steady halo]

it was nice but I can't understand the language

[glacial wind]

this was back long before venom officially launched

[steady halo]

[honest nacelle]

actually no - I recognise that you also love geon

[steady halo]

woah

[honest nacelle]

but you also argue and blindly defend wooting's stupid decisions until you're blue

[glacial wind]

when he was still on the "drunkdeer is good i swear guys they'll be better in a year" train

[honest nacelle]

like idk

when r u gonna get the purple name

[uneven cradle]

Sounds like you constantly saying drunkdeer was improving

[honest nacelle]

might as well get paid to do all this

[honest nacelle]

lmfao I stopped saying that 6 months after they launched kek

[uneven cradle]

I'm sure it's onto meletrix is improving now

[stray tiger]

I don't think it's defending their decisions, I think it's just explaining why they made the decisions they made based on their responses.

[steady halo]

wait,
sno what is the reason behind venom65 delays?

[glacial wind]

^

[honest nacelle]

no its directly defending their decisions

[glacial wind]

i mostly just reply when I see something that's a bit silly or out of pocket being said without proper reasoning behind it

[honest nacelle]

their explanations fall flat

[glacial wind]

like when you predicted wooting 80he would not sell after batch 1 because no one would buy this layout

remember that one?

[steady halo]

i heard it makes some controversy for the users who already prepared the cases, etc.

[honest nacelle]

I do actually!

I underestimated wooting's tribal fanbase

grossly

[glacial wind]

how did that prediction work out?

[tawdry tree]

the layout was changed, so I guess we’ll never know

😂😂

[honest nacelle]

💀

[glacial wind]

ah yes it's all wootings tribal fanbase and not that people outside your small group don't care about tkl vs wooting's layout

[uneven cradle]

Think it's more the verbage being used that is the problem "lobotomized" "dogshit"

[stray tiger]

Wooting wanted to limit the number of pre-built SKU's and the number of assembly line options/configs to support those. There is nothing to defend there.

[glacial wind]

^

[calm pulsar]

"tsangan" "7u" "layout options"

[glacial wind]

when it's a company that you support or work with you're so kind to them and give them benefit of the doubt constantly even with a bad track record, like drunkdeer for a loong time

[calm pulsar]

[glacial wind]

then if you don't you suddenly flip the language and it's all 'dogshit, braindead' etc etc

[honest nacelle]

limiting the skus is moot point

they have 4 skus for their board and it would've stayed 4 skus even if the pcb could support all 4 at the same time

[fluid ravine]

Did I hear tsangan

[honest nacelle]

choosing to do it this way with each sku having a unqiue pcb is dumb because all it does is force users into a layout

[glacial wind]

and it's always as soon as you're wrong you want to never discuss or talk about why that previous thinking was wrong. Much like how you predicted wootings downfall over 80he and it fell so insanely flat

[honest nacelle]

if they "want to try" split space they're locked into it

[calm pulsar]

yes that's me typing on my board rn how did you hear it

[polar girder]

Bro pretending there was any other way

[tawdry tree]

there was 😭

[honest nacelle]

??? I don't need to discuss it?

I can see that it sold well

plus I don't have anything to discuss with you

[fluid ravine]

[honest nacelle]

when do you start btw?

month or so from now right?

[stray tiger]

It'll either work or it won't. Nothing to defend there. It was their decision.

[polar girder]

Why you acting like that many sensors and holes can be slapped on the bottom row a 60% PCB

[honest nacelle]

what does that even mean

[glacial wind]

lol i see you've been talking to some folks

[honest nacelle]

I'm pointing out their dumb decision to not support it on the same pcb

[tawdry tree]

because it’s already been done 😭

[steady halo]

i noticed u have venom,
planning to get mine as well

[honest nacelle]

we know that the unified spacebar is going to sell probably 10x the split

[tawdry tree]

split space in particular

[fluid ravine]

Yurrr

[calm pulsar]

lol I think they already discussed that above

[fluid ravine]

Benom

[polar girder]

lol really? Like a modular split space layout?

[steady halo]

creamy

[tawdry tree]

yes man

[steady halo]

[stray tiger]

It means that if it doesn't result in the success/sales they hoped because folks don't want to lock into the new layout, then they will know better next time. People said 80% would fail too and we'll that wasn't what happened.

[honest nacelle]

I would've been surprised if you didn't take the job

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[calm pulsar]

joining in on the flex

[honest nacelle]

you turned it down once saying that you want to keep your "neutrality" and "lack of bias" but that never existed

[glacial wind]

It's always everyone elses thinking is wrong and yours is logically correct. How about the flux issues or the drunkdeer issues

they were wrong too

[polar girder]

Bros entire personality in one picture

[calm pulsar]

based

[cyan lark]

D do you not work for a competing keeb company?

[polar girder]

lol jk sorry bro

[glacial wind]

actually that's a totally different matter

[steady halo]

is it possible to transfer order without showing my personal information?

[tawdry tree]

and 90% of people would’ve taken the compromises by heart if it meant being able to try out the different splits on the same board..

[honest nacelle]

A) I did try to sort out the flux issues, and B) i couldn't do anything at dd

was always the bandaid solution rather than fixing the actual issue

[glacial wind]

unless you think running a website called wootingmods dedicated to one keyboard company is somehow needing to clarify bias

[fluid ravine]

Wdym?

[steady halo]

i sold my wooting 80he, thinking to transfer the order without showing my personal information

[tawdry tree]

good question actually

[steady halo]

since the order have my personal information

[fluid ravine]

Should be able to transfer by order number no?

[glacial wind]

the entire point of something being a resource for one brand is that you don't need to worry about bias as much because you're making reference guides for one brand and not worrying about including other keyboards lol

[fluid ravine]

And giving permission without showing personal info

[glacial wind]

there's no conflict of bias.

[steady halo]

but the new owner will be able to see the personal information iirc

[glacial wind]

especially on a website which btw has zero affiliate links

[stray tiger]

In the end it's ok if you think the decision Wooting made for layout support was a dumb one. You may be right, but they are the leader in this space for a reason so they must be doing something right most of the time.

[steady halo]

really?
how?

[fluid ravine]

Honestly I'm not sure how cus I've never done it lol

[tawdry tree]

listening to the community

[fluid ravine]

It's on the Wooting Hub I think

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[polar girder]

Listening to the $$ >

If it sells well it was a good choice

If it sells bad it was a bad choice

Ez

[fluid ravine]

Tsangan Wooting when

[polar girder]

Debate useless

[stray tiger]

Well the community told them no one would buy an 80% board. You're not wrong about the listening part, but there is a difference between listening and following blindly

[glacial wind]

bias issues would be if I made a website called the 'ultimate he keyboard reference' then supported only wooting stuff or favored them. Not a website dedicated to the 1 keyboard lol

imagine trying to call out bias over that

[uneven cradle]

I think it the knob came out at the time of the 80HE the decision would have also made a lot more sense to most people

[steady halo]

it's not here, and i already tried transfer order to my second email address..
personal information still there

[fluid ravine]

Oof

[tawdry tree]

the community was right, no one would’ve bought the old layout

luckily they listened in time to change it though

[stray tiger]

Exactly. No one knows why decisions are made better than the company themselves

[stray tiger]

Good thing they changed or they would be bankrupt by now!

[tawdry tree]

[calm pulsar]

thats how I got my role when I bought my wooting 60he module
I think I used the guy's email to send him a confirmation from my own wooting hub, and once he confirmed it, I got the pink name

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/caution-scam-scammer-alert-gif-26591294

[steady halo]

his information is still on ur wooting order?

[glacial wind]

well that was a nice peaceful morning.

[stray tiger]

You just transfer through the portal. You're not updating the email, there is a transfer ownership option.

[calm pulsar]

uhh actually yeah, the name, phone number, address
but I think in my case that's some kind of warehouse address cause I used a forwarding service basically

[steady halo]

yeah, but i tried it and it shows my phone number and address under the order

[calm pulsar]

good thing that guy with the insane layouts didnt show up

[steady halo]

and name

[tawdry tree]

@steady halo could put it in #1141096226884956181 to change this

[stray tiger]

In his account it shows your name and address?

[steady halo]

yep

[tawdry tree]

or at least an option to not share your personal info when changing the order

transferring*

[steady halo]

i don't want to doxx myself

[calm pulsar]

it does say this if I try to edit this info

[glacial wind]

i think he's gone until next keyboard launch

[uneven cradle]

Anyway anyone else staying hydrated

[steady halo]

alright

[fluid ravine]

Does ice cream count?

[tawdry tree]

prob with all old orders

[stray tiger]

@calm pulsar I bought some new green caps to try on a new green board.

[calm pulsar]

actually been on the puter for a while, I will go a get some water, thanks

[calm pulsar]

I love me some green, so now you gotta show what keycaps and what board

[stray tiger]

Yeah they are similar to Taiga (from the pics)

Throwing them on a green Derivative

[calm pulsar]

ohh that's keykobo?? wow

so jelly

green derivative too

[steady halo]

is there anyone here that has tried both frog mini leggera T and tofu redux?

[stray tiger]

Wanted silver but got an offer on a green one so jumped on it

[stray tiger]

Yes

[steady halo]

i was giving some thoughts about getting a tray mount 60% case,
my end decision is frog leggera T & tofu redux

are the sound profile similar?

i love the minimalist look of the tofu redux

[stray tiger]

Yes all similar. Pick the one that looks best to you

[steady halo]

but my friends say that the leggera (t) sound profile is way better than redux..
(they say redux is too hollow)

[stray tiger]

@calm pulsar I'll likely now sell 2 or 3 of the OG Frog Mini's

[steady halo]

any black color?

[calm pulsar]

@sacred elm

he might be interested hehe

[stray tiger]

I think they sound similar but do prefer the leggeras

[sacred elm]

yea if 60he v2 can work in it

[fluid ravine]

Wait Pops you got the T Leggera??

[stray tiger]

They work just fine

[fluid ravine]

Didn't know that

[steady halo]

i see,
thanks for the info..
but the leggera gets a free bag tho

[sacred elm]

with friction mount?

[calm pulsar]

nah og frog mini has its own mount

[stray tiger]

You have to use the frog plate with the og Frog Mini

[calm pulsar]

tadpole

[sacred elm]

ah

[calm pulsar]

here's my ole 60he in og frog mini

[stray tiger]

Such a good looking case and they sound great

[steady halo]

i wish that geon makes a new run for tadpole 60%

[sacred elm]

✨

[fluid ravine]

So edgy

And curvy

[sacred elm]

where can I get that plate for v2

[steady halo]

i've noticed that leggera (t) doesn't have any standoff near the spacebar..
would it still be stable tho?

sorry for some dumb questions

[fluid ravine]

The 2 top and sides are good enough

[steady halo]

i never tried any tray mount without missing out any standoffs

[stray tiger]

Same frog plate for for V1. Standoffs didn't change

[calm pulsar]

if Thockfather already has og frog mini HE plates for 60he wooting then it should work the same on v2

[fluid ravine]

Personally I know the middle is useless and honestly don't need the space bar standoff

[sweet oak]

Thockson your endless void pfp accompanied with the repo head is uncanny

It looks like the robot is trying to spit out a lemon

[fluid ravine]

[steady halo]

i see

let me think about the case later...
since leggera sold out anywhere

i want the leggera because of the free bag & made by "geon"

[fluid ravine]

When Pops has like 3 og froggy

[calm pulsar]

aliexpress I think has em, but with a markup probably

[fluid ravine]

And 2 or 3 Leggera froggy

[steady halo]

nah, thinking about purchasing it from the web at the same time with venom pcb

[fluid ravine]

I think Pops like frogs

[calm pulsar]

yeah and he has OG OG ones cause they got brass weights, and the last batches had silver weights

[stray tiger]

I sold all the leggys except acrylic

[fluid ravine]

Poor leggys

[fluid ravine]

Did you sell the case alone?

[stray tiger]

Yes

[steady halo]

any travel case recommendations for tofu redux?

[fluid ravine]

Omni type sells 60% cases

I think Cannonkeys sell one as well iirc

If you're in NA

[steady halo]

i'm at asia

[stray tiger]

@fluid ravine I might do a MX build later on the Ori 60 I just got.

[fluid ravine]

Ah

[steady halo]

but thanks for the recommendations

[fluid ravine]

YESSSS

[chilly mural]

That was a nice read, but i feel like it's almost go on a loop.

[fluid ravine]

Decided on key caps yet?

[steady halo]

ngl, true

[stray tiger]

Who knows. I bought around 9 new sets in the last 4 weeks so plenty of choices. Board is black though so anything works

[glacial wind]

that's how it always goes

[steady halo]

are there any better all rounder switches than owti?

[glacial wind]

that was fun, although the random attempt to say I have a conflict of biases for running a literal wooting dedicated website is an odd move

you can't have a conflict of interest if you only cover one literal brand already

[glacial wind]

there's sidegrades but not really upgrades right now

[steady halo]

are there any black switches on the sidegrades

[glacial wind]

hrm

i'm trying to think if any of the new ones are black

i don't think so off memory

[steady halo]

alright then

thanks for the info sno / jed

[glacial wind]

there's blue, pink, clear

[steady halo]

what is the blue one?

[glacial wind]

ur ice ultra blue

[steady halo]

ahh ice ultra

[chilly mural]

One thing I never seen talked about is the fact that you can just return the split for regular spacebar or just wait more with what keyboard you have while waiting for pro's opinion on it.

[sacred elm]

@steady halo are you getting leggera?

[steady halo]

not sure,
i might see how long it takes to wait

some people say it's next month

[sacred elm]

if you get it, let me know if you can friction mount it

[glacial wind]

yeah, i think folks tend to overly tunnel into what they like and then they stop arguing based on the point and more of 'well i like this more so it must be right because i'm right'. There's a lot of arguments to be made that it's still possible to just wait and see

[steady halo]

most likely yes

[glacial wind]

and also the potential that split spacebar gamers will grow over time due to wooting as a possibility

[steady halo]

since the dimensions are the same with g version

[glacial wind]

i think the biggest thing missed in all the talk is that what if there is a potentially big market of gamers who will enjoy wooting's variant of split space and that market grows over time to be much bigger than any of the tsangan or other split formats population

[chilly mural]

"It's not my kind of spacebar so it's the wrong kind of spacebar they should get into."

[glacial wind]

it gets discounted a lot that just because that population of people doesn't exist yet, that they forget that the population could exist tomorrow or in the future

and due to wootings virality they could literally be the ones who make it a thing

[chilly mural]

Yesh, could also mean split spacebar can get as cheap as madlions

[glacial wind]

i'd actually wager that there's quite a sizable chunk of wasd hand position gamers who like wootings format of it and the split variant support grows over time

so maybe it does start out 10:1 or whatever in favor of buying non split, but then it grows over time as more people try it out

there's certainly an argument to be made by aligner etc that there are ways to increase the uptake faster, but that's a whole separate topic too

[tawdry tree]

Phylina Lightnings (translucent black with white stem)

Deng God Pros with a red housing and black step

Deng God Pros sound similar to Ti HEs

Phylinas a bit deeper

[calm pulsar]

the god damn pros

[glacial wind]

is it still called pros for those new ones?

or deng god i mean

iirc the ali guys have been listing it as "deng shen pro" or something like that for the new one

[tawdry tree]

Deng God Pro Max actually iirc

[chilly mural]

It's like wooting is venturing to an empty cave, rather than a cave where there's already known gold inside. Hopefully whatever they touch is gold.

[glacial wind]

yeah exactly, and the new empty cave has the potential for much bigger gold vs. a very small pot of existing gold

so you have opportunity cost of yeah you miss out on the existing gold but there's a possibility of a lot more still

[cyan lark]

The fable of the Meidas Calder

[tawdry tree]

I doubt they expect it to do better than the regular, even in long term

just well enough to make it worthwhile

which will probably happen

despite all the cons

[calm pulsar]

playing wow on a 60% could be nicer with a split spacebar, but I can still play both classic and retail just fine on normal/tsangan 60%, so I wont make the jump

[steady halo]

wait

i might get that

[calm pulsar]

and conventional spacebar just looks nicer to me

but I can see how it gives you more options

[steady halo]

Is the spring width the same as owlab ti?

[tawdry tree]

many like them a lot. they’re more stable at bottom out than Ti HEs and other non-walled stem switches

[glacial wind]

yeah it won't be bigger than 6.25 ever, folks like normie always

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

same manu

[glacial wind]

i don't think they expect it to ever be bigger than 6.25 users

[steady halo]

yippie

now I can't hold myself

[tawdry tree]

wanna spring swap?

[steady halo]

about 6.25u or 7u

[steady halo]

yes

[glacial wind]

yeah i was always thinking the arena pvp guys might really love split for extra bind

[steady halo]

i love heavy switches

i found 72 initial force

[tawdry tree]

do you have heavier springs already?

[glacial wind]

like people who do warlock pvp, when I talked to C9 Chan back in the day he'd always need weird binds because he had literally 200 binds

[steady halo]

yepp

[tawdry tree]

TX?

[steady halo]

i use owlab TI 72gf

[steady halo]

no, duhuk

duhuk springs

most likely from the manu

[tawdry tree]

I didn’t know duhuk had springs

wow

[steady halo]

love the weight

[tawdry tree]

ye prob

[calm pulsar]

probably had actual demon incantations in his macros

[tawdry tree]

Split space > 7u > 6.25u imo

only if it’s the good split space ofc

👀

[steady halo]

i saw kaajak's build and it's clean as hell

[glacial wind]

it's worst for chan because he would have literal arena 1, 2, 3 target binds for everything lol

so he literally has to bind the same spells and hotkeys 3x

[chilly mural]

Damn, if magic exists, he prop be remembering most of the known one

[steady halo]

if i want to use gt60, I can't use the stock plate from kbdfans

[glacial wind]

pity he quit competing now, I think he'd be super excited to use a wooting

[steady halo]

another custom plate for 7u

[tawdry tree]

if a custom plate means not having to use the gt60, it’s a win

💀

[steady halo]

the kbdfans gt60 case I meant to say

[tawdry tree]

ohlmfao

I hate that those two have the same name

still, it’s worth it imo

7u > 6.25u

and you can try out some other material with a custom plate as well

[steady halo]

alright then

7u it is

[tawdry tree]

(if you haven’t already)

[steady halo]

i need a 7u plate file for kbdfans gt60

top mount would be lovely

[tawdry tree]

does kbd share files?

[steady halo]

yes, but not 7u HE file

but i saw someone was using it

https://youtu.be/1klCYMl0NSw?si=2Md4u2Ij4ipGtlEv

[glacial wind]

is geon planning to add more switches to switch selector btw? specifically the ttc ones

i haven't kept up to date on his plans there

[tawdry tree]

where did they share it?

[steady halo]

if normal layout plate on their product page

idk about the 7u

[calm pulsar]

yeah all that advanced arena stuff always seemed so overwhelming to me

I love pvp though, maybe one day I set it all up properly, but in vanilla I only really used backstab + pickpocket macro

[glacial wind]

i actually tried to commit to learning pvp properly but good lord WoW does not support pvp lol

it's like the child they hate and send to boarding school, and they picked the school with no funds in antartica instead of a good school

[tropic urchin]

now its just the players

[glacial wind]

i remember literally trying to make a pvp series to grind to gladiator but then I spent half my time online trying to organize arena partners because there were only like 20 people doing high end pvp on 2-3 accounts most times of the day

trying to get pvp time in to get better was like trying to schedule in business meetings constantly or needing to play at 4am in the morning because that's the only 'timeslot' that worked

[calm pulsar]

that's why I like world pvp in vanilla more
you just play the game and naturally run into skirmishes

bgs are nice too cause they are not super focused on balance issues like arenas are

[uneven cradle]

I remember there was a guy on my server who was notorious for ganking people during MoP hitting them with a bur agol

Guy was a menace nobody was safe

[glacial wind]

i will always fondly remember the absurd start of pvp ranks phase where if you played alliance you literally took 1 hour to get to a dungeon because you were chain killed 10 times on your way there

fondly mostly because i didn't play alliance lol

[calm pulsar]

I did, and I was leveling with my friends in stranglethorn vale during phase 2 start in 2019 classic
it was a massacre

[calm pulsar]

I love such stories about wow, where some player does something so degenerate and unique that it gets remembered like that

[glacial wind]

i remember the meta for ranking became so absurd that rogues would form teams to even sit at banks and wait to kill anyone who hearthed out to log out

[tropic urchin]

Back before the fun was optimized away

[glacial wind]

you haven't seen the modern version. groups of people who formed entire discord chat groups to try dispell and kill people on the way to raid to prevent guilds from getting rank 1 clear times

peak 'poopsocking' to the point they had alert add ons to spam group invite you until you lagged if you didn't turn off invites

[calm pulsar]

that's the beauty of it

all player driven

[tropic urchin]

Those players need to start sending in their CVs to blizzard

They could use some toxicity in their ranks again

Retail wow is so 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[glacial wind]

then you have the even more poopsocking everquest players

who at one point in the classic rerun of everquest were each playing 4-5 accounts in order to maximize loot so that they could clear each raid 20x to focus loot onto 1-2 people per run

literally people had 5 laptops/computers in front of them with kvm and macros to get around the 1 account per computer rule

[uneven cradle]

RuneScape has some crazy stories

The level people go to is crazy

[glacial wind]

yeah runescape is it's own super place of people who need to sleep more

it's not healthy the hours some of those guys stay awake

[uneven cradle]

Yeah I use to try keep up, I ain't built for that

Playing 18 hours a day everyday isn't good for one

[steady halo]

bro, alu plate or cf plate?

[tropic urchin]

On what board

[glacial wind]

Cf plate is always the correct cf choice

[calm pulsar]

so alu is always the correct alu choice

[steady halo]

nahh

nvm

[tropic urchin]

Wasn’t the world’s biggest fan of alu on 80HE (might’ve just been Toronto), but it’s nice on benom

[steady halo]

purchased cf for venom

[glacial wind]

Do not be swayed by the Alu false god

[tropic urchin]

Haven’t tried but it should be good

What switch are you pairing it with

[steady halo]

most likely owlab ti or phylina

case will be redux

[glacial wind]

What about the new polar bros

[tropic urchin]

Should be a nice pairing

[glacial wind]

Don’t you want to join the polar bros

[steady halo]

what are those

haven't heard / followed latest HE switches

[tropic urchin]

What about polar hoes or is this the wrong discord

[steady halo]

i can't get myself to love the frog leggera

[calm pulsar]

okay get the freebird60

[glacial wind]

They’re kind of not really fully tested yet but looks promising

[sacred elm]

😭

[steady halo]

that looks clean ngl

[glacial wind]

These basically https://a.aliexpress.com/_oo4pHw6

[steady halo]

wait

oring but left side port?

[calm pulsar]

yeah to me its a nicer bofu design, but its all personal

[glacial wind]

the sale is over though and they went up a lot in price

[calm pulsar]

its tray mount

[glacial wind]

Think it’s like $20 more expensive now

[steady halo]

ahhhh

[calm pulsar]

they say oring because of little orings for screws

[steady halo]

not available

[calm pulsar]

burger mount

[steady halo]

on my ali

[glacial wind]

Oh rip

Yeah they’re very new ish

run a self leveling system for the magnet inside the stem

so not many vendors for them yet and still needs more testing

[steady halo]

from which brand tho?

[glacial wind]

Unionwell polar pro

[steady halo]

are there any post about them on x?

[steady halo]

ahh

legendary burger mount

my friends will hate me because i picked redux over leggera

[glacial wind]

Yeah a few Japanese posts about em

[calm pulsar]

matter of fact, I hate you too

joking

[steady halo]

😦

[steady halo]

i see

i will search it up

[glacial wind]

mostly people like them and say they’re quite smooth for a new design, but still very new and need to see how their qc and such turns out

[steady halo]

ngl, i need to follow new he switches on the market

@calm pulsar if i use this https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-standoff-silicone-cover?srsltid=AfmBOooDk_ptcYVA_NksXvPS3H_ABIm6Ktp8tr64UWQ_wfAVb2UmIf3Y

do i have to burger mount again?

[glacial wind]

If they turn out to be smooth like the Wuque flux but without the good awful qc and dumb pricing they could be really interesting

[steady halo]

i might wait for ur review then

[calm pulsar]

I think I actually used this on my freebird, but you will still need orings from another side of the screw I believe

or you could even friction mount

depending on what keyboard youre getting ofc

[glacial wind]

Although I guess other issue is I’m not sure how they perform on venom either since it won’t be in switch selector for awhile and they’re quite a bit different to existing switches

[steady halo]

ahhh the part that touches the top of the pcb right?

[calm pulsar]

yeah

cause the pcb is sandwiched with 2 orings on each side, in a burger mount

[steady halo]

yeah, hoping venom can update their selector for new switches

[glacial wind]

I regret selling my old freebird

That case was nice for a cheapie case to have around

[steady halo]

so if i use that, I don't have to use the bigger oring for the case standoff right?

only for the pcb part?

[calm pulsar]

I think it would be easier to just use orings on both sides, they still achieve the same thing anyways

[calm pulsar]

what color did you have

I still have mine in the drawer

[steady halo]

i see,
thanks for the info

i'm afraid of static electricity only

since those help to prevent it

[calm pulsar]

well you screw the pcb in the case, in a tray mount, so there's no need for that, I believe

maybe others will confirm

I think you only need grounding if you use a different mount

[steady halo]

ahh got it

maybe if i friction fit, then i need to use it or ground it with a screw?

[glacial wind]

Had just a basic black which I sold with my old v1 60he

honestly the kid who bought it was so happy to find wooting locally in Korea though so I don’t feel bad

[calm pulsar]

I think you can get the grounding foam thing like they have in the optimum case for friction mount

[calm pulsar]

thats nice

[steady halo]

ngl i sold it to a person who is younger than me as well

he was excited to own his first wooting

[calm pulsar]

I should've sold my freebird along with my og 60he too

but I just sold it stock

[steady halo]

happy for the new user

[glacial wind]

He was so happy he brought me Starbucks to the pickup lol

[steady halo]

[steady halo]

noted

[glacial wind]

I do have leftover most cursed switches though

I have the leftover combination of the v1 lekker and raptor switch

But the bad half from the 2 looser sides

[calm pulsar]

I think I have some lekker v1s left as a souvenir lol

[sacred elm]

I also have shit ton of lekker v1s and raptors

[glacial wind]

Honestly that kid got a great deal with the frankenswitches that were broken in

[calm pulsar]

I hope the guy who bought jade maxes from me is doing fine

[glacial wind]

To this day he curses the name arc in his sleep

[calm pulsar]

he's probably in major valorant leagues rn

[sacred elm]

no, he is probably looking for you

[calm pulsar]

he only knows my real name so its okay

[tropic urchin]

or hes writing "what are the best fortnite settings" and ruining your good name mr arc

[calm pulsar]

my duhuks are also on the way to some other dude, hope he likes em cause I sure didnt

[glacial wind]

Duhuk still had what has to be the shortest peak meta period I have ever seen

It was like 2 weeks in the meta then gone

[tropic urchin]

the joshiba identity share meme went for longer than duhuk hype which was wild

[cyan lark]

It happened while I was on a trip visiting family

Missed the delivery and it got sent all the way back to China. No love lost.

[glacial wind]

I’m still not even sure they were ever even popular outside of the very niche hardcore modding groups

[calm pulsar]

yeah I remember unpacking them, trying a couple out and immediately shittalking about them in this channel

[sacred elm]

duhuk better

[glacial wind]

because they didn’t even sell that well in China either so I feel it was a weird meta caused by small crew of people that disappeared after other folks tried them and didn’t like them

[calm pulsar]

they were made into ti he and herz quite fast

[glacial wind]

Yeah ti he came out right after

I’m curious to see if those new ttc Helios feel any different or if they end up just same as pom/rgb feel

It’s been awhile since ttc pom has been the stable king

Feels oddly too long it’s reigned at the top

[calm pulsar]

I guess we reached a peak of stability, so every manufacturer either makes standard kind of switches like jades/ti he or tries a different take on super stable switches

there's also raeds but they are simply better

[glacial wind]

I’m ready to join the bro supremacy

polar bros for life

[calm pulsar]

its the ones with a round stem?

[glacial wind]

Yeah I already ordered some to test out

they’re at least interesting with being something new that the Chinese reviews are saying is smooth like flux without being $2 a switch

[calm pulsar]

im kinda sceptical on the stabilty of the round stem
maybe we do need some sharp angles to keep the stem from moving like in poms or fluxes

but yeah at least they seem more unique

[glacial wind]

I’m mostly curious if the top feels normal because of how that self leveling stem bottom works

[tropic urchin]

👀

if they come in with 40g option so help me god

[glacial wind]

Swagkey started selling flux locally too it seems but reviews have been very mixed and low sales

Basically people asking why this is $2 a switch lol

[calm pulsar]

if they have stronger springs, what you should do is

press a bit stronger, so it feels like a lighter spring

[tropic urchin]

id probably use fluxes more if they had lighter spring, i cant go back from 42.5g bingless

usually if im going into a tarkov lean, im going to wobble the ti's so lighter is bess comrade

[cyan lark]

Do love a lighter switch for gaming but... we need to invent a switch with a spring that can go between like 40g and 50g via magic.

Just can't stand light spring for typing

[sacred elm]

50 best

[steady halo]

400 best

[tropic urchin]

Benterpiece software 🌹

[calm pulsar]

I got 100s

[steady halo]

this is better

100
400

[sacred elm]

aliexpress springs💔

[calm pulsar]

400 > 100 indeed, can't argue with the numbers there

[steady halo]

yesss

i'm amazed that 9 people bought it

[calm pulsar]

maybe they use analog movement

[knotty bobcat]

daaaam 400g?

[thorn zealot]

I just found someone who was exposed for cheating in rocket league, cod, and kovaaks 😭 🥀

[stray tiger]

Must be a CS player

[sacred elm]

Must be a Siege player

[steady halo]

phylina is cheaper than owlab ti?

[paper bloom]

Must be a valorant player

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

Off of Ali

$22 for 90: https://a.aliexpress.com/_EGD83Lo

[steady halo]

woah

not bad

are there any test?

magnet test and such?

[tawdry tree]

probably but I don’t have one saved

physical wobble is on par with KoMs

and they’re better lubed

from factory

[calm pulsar]

When typing, the skills in the game are released in one go, every time.

[tropic urchin]

Damn I’m sold

“Full key lightning shaft feel invincible”

High quality/high quality

[calm pulsar]

its a 66 dollar keyboard☠️

strap design originality lmaoo

[tropic urchin]

Oh so it’s ewaste

Nice

[chilly mural]

Smh only 1

[tropic urchin]

Neat feedback tho I need that 🥀

[calm pulsar]

Every tap is a subtle interaction. And precision is the core of the soul.

[tropic urchin]

If Gateron had that marketing I’d be excited

But all I get is hifi sound 🥀

[calm pulsar]

61 bucks, beast mode

what is this review

[tropic urchin]

😭😭😭😭

[sacred elm]

very good

ok friend

[cloud pivot]

more like breast mode

[polar girder]

Now we’re talking

[polar girder]

Not 60%. Irrelevant

[calm pulsar]

enter mad 60

45 dollars

[calm pulsar]

hi can I get a keyboard with breast mode I mean breast mode I mean breast mode sorry I mean breast mode I mean

[cloud pivot]

MAGNETIC PEROT AXIS PRO (NEW)

[polar girder]

+black -RGB

but nice

[glacial wind]

isn't that massively undercut by the whole ace line now?

i feel they got out 'budget boarded' by the fun ace stuff

[chilly mural]

Soon, $10 tmr 60%

It has negative warranty

[glacial wind]

i hate latenpow the most i think because they can't decide their own specs

in their own marketing for v2 deng god one part says 3.5mm and then another part reads 3.6mm hifi sound

their own marketing contradicts themselves

[little glen]

got some keycaps in for a build i'm doing for someone else

now i have everything i need except for the damn board

[peak breach]

finally got that ewhite version

[sweet oak]

This bug ENJOYS Crunch!!!

[cobalt oxide]

thank you to whoever recommended the OWLAB Ti switches

i just got them they sound fantastic

[vernal shell]

Hello folks, I hope you're having a great day 🙂

I have a question about the Two HE, can I replace the switches with others? When I order, I'm offered other options, but I can't find an answer on the internet, so I wanted to ask if maybe one of you knows 😅

I would have gotten the Gateron Magnetic Jade Linear for that.

[fallen pecan]

case submitted to the chinese registry

https://www.sikakeyb.com/products/sikakeyb-sakura-limited-edition-aluminum-keyboard-case?VariantsId=10100 sikakeyb holy60 clone sale

[tawdry tree]

The switches are hot-swappable (meaning you take easily take them out and put in different ones). Jades are very outdated and way too overpriced but they do work.

[tawdry tree]

Is that like a patent?

[tidal frigate]

I saw simmiliar case somewhere

[vernal shell]

Okay, thank you

I often read the Jades on the Internet. What else could you recommend? I'm currently using green switches from Razer. That's why I don't know much about it. Pre-lubed would be great so I don't have to do it extra😅

[crimson sky]

Was it wooting?

[tidal frigate]

It looks like exactly design of wooting

[tawdry tree]

It is woot

look at the logo

[tidal frigate]

Oh.. it is wooting

[tawdry tree]

If you can buy from AliExpress, there are many good switches you can try. If not, it’s a bit more limited.

[tidal frigate]

Wonder why now they are registering case design

[tawdry tree]

maybe it’s the zinc case

[tawdry tree]

is it the same as patenting?

I have no clue what the chinese registry means

[tidal frigate]

Wooting deleted their patents on Google patents tho

[vernal shell]

I've never ordered from there, but I can do it. Do you have a recommendation?

[crimson sky]

probably because they had their 60 case copied

[tawdry tree]

Not anything that’s gonna be akin to Razer’s green switches but Phylina Lightnings are pretty good, and cheap! They sound a bit deeper than regular Jades but are much more stable: I just found this on AliExpress: https://a.aliexpress.com/_EQdVUKi

[vernal shell]

If they're not like the green ones, I don't have a problem, I just wanted to say what I had last. And when I buy a keyboard, I want to order good switches right away, thanks! 🙂

[tawdry tree]

Here’s a sound test (do keep in mind that everything is different (board, desk, mic, etc) so they won’t sound exactly like this in your build): https://youtu.be/cX2N67CgkbA

That channel has sound tests of multiple switches, you can check them out to see which you like best if you want.

[knotty bobcat]

ummmmm yup got to have !!

[glacial wind]

what set you planning to pair them with though?

[knotty bobcat]

uuuugh thats been a lil probem

[vernal shell]

I understand that it may not sound exactly the same to me. Is it also worth ordering keycaps through AliExpress, or does it really not matter?

[tropic urchin]

GMK black and gold/cosmos seem to be the only ones come to mind for me

But neither fully match

[crimson sky]

25 bucks 💀

for some laser etched garbage

[tawdry tree]

Ali has decent budget keycap sets but if you’re looking for shine-through, I’d stick with woot’s

[glacial wind]

stop looking for keycap sets on etsy, you're going to get ripped off

[tawdry tree]

it actually is $25 for 4 keycaps lol

[glacial wind]

they're reselling stuff from aliexpress usually for the full keycap sets

very few of them are actually making keycap sets

[knotty bobcat]

yeah butt i turst etsy more that aliexpress 😦 and try to get stuff only shipping from usa so maaaybe not get ripped off

[glacial wind]

that's like trusting your cousin mark because he sells you milk for $5 that he buys from the supermarket for $2

it's literally 90% resellers taking advantage of people scared to buy from aliexpress

if you really must buy from US only then i'd look for keycap vendors in US first if you really want to avoid aliexpress for whatever reason

[knotty bobcat]

they take a month to get here from china 😦 ]

buuuut now im looking .....

[glacial wind]

https://novelkeys.com for example is US based

https://divinikey.com/ is another

there's a whole bunch of US vendors you can buy from if you must have US based sellers

[tropic urchin]

Has Aliexpress returned to shipping to the US or is it still on hold

[knotty bobcat]

hmm ty 🙂 i dont mind taking the risk with my own stuff but im buy caps for my subscribers keyboards i modding on stream and if stuff gets pushed back in shipping it puishes the vid back 😦

thank youu 🙂

[glacial wind]

hrm speaking of aliexpress i think these unionwell switches are still being made lol

2 days now they haven't shipped out my order yet, it's never this slow for choice items normally

[chilly mural]

maybe there's a lot of order

[tawdry tree]

There was a listing that just didn’t ship and canceled after a while iirc

but I think that was for the Pros

[glacial wind]

I ordered a bunch of things since then and they shipped already, it's very odd

[tawdry tree]

not Pro +

[glacial wind]

this is keypro though so they're not a sketchy seller either, very odd

[glacial wind]

just a heads up he linked you the older phylina lightnings, which are fine but if you wanted phylina lightnings i'd buy the newer pro or white version with the longer springs

same switch but a slightly nicer spring

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009218313807.html

[tawdry tree]

$10 more + they’re pink

😭

or 🥰

depends.

[glacial wind]

can get the white one if you hate pink https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009298128032.html

[crimson sky]

25 dollars would be a bad price if it was a full set

since it is laser etched garbage

[tawdry tree]

true lmao

1.7k reviews

💀

[glacial wind]

hrm confusing thing is choice usually means aliexpress ships direct from their own warehouse in stock, so it's weird that it's taken 2 days and nothing still

i wonder if their warehouse is having an issue

[tawdry tree]

choice isn’t always from their own warehouse

switcheskeystore or whatever ships with choice too

but can still do custom orders

idk if choice actually means anything tbh

[tranquil iris]

white nad pink are the same right ?

[glacial wind]

yeah seems to be

[tawdry tree]

$10 more for springs is crazy work

could get tx springs for that

those are actually decent

decent tolerances

[glacial wind]

i think problem is the sale on them ended too

they were all discounted a lot for the summer sale but it just ended

only the old black ones stayed on the sale

[tranquil iris]

ty bud, I bought the last 100 pack for 29 dollars with free shipping

I got -10

[glacial wind]

oh nice, you managed to grab one of the last early bird specials i guess

keypro is really nice for new switches actually because they always list them and have X amount as early bird pricing

[tranquil iris]

yeah I tought man I get 10 Euros of (instead 35, 25)with free return and shipping

I just go for it

[tranquil iris]

It was my first time ever ordering on aliexpress maybe that why too

[tawdry tree]

first time always gets good discounts

it’s pretty nice

[tranquil iris]

I should go for the more neutral white tho already have lumia herz more variety in color, so one day I can put them in a fancy jars and stack them in a shelf

[glacial wind]

oh yeah you got the first buy discount

they give you a huge bonus discount when it's your first order

[tranquil iris]

yeah 10 of 35 is insane

[glacial wind]

it's why some folks make multiple accounts (although i don't recommend it generally since they monitor that and you can get perm banned)

[tranquil iris]

yeah I mean I could ask my friends I dont think any of them orders there

[tidal frigate]

@tawdry tree i'am getting replacement for owlab case. I hope so it wont have issues

[tranquil iris]

I think I will cancel tho and go for the white ones

[glacial wind]

Wait don’t

You’ll lose your first order bonus

unless you really don’t want them

you only get that bonus once, once it’s gone it’s gone even if you cancel and reorder

[tawdry tree]

surelyyyyy

[tawdry tree]

you don’t get it back like with other discounts/coupons?

[glacial wind]

Yeah it never comes back

[tawdry tree]

😭

[tidal frigate]

@tawdry tree I wonder if 2nd batch will be broken as first one

[tranquil iris]

oops

[tidal frigate]

Because there will be second batch

[tawdry tree]

don’t think so. they have more than enough time to actually make a mold for the silicone piece that goes there

no need to cut them by hand

💀💀

[tidal frigate]

Well, now i wait for James response how to write my adress peoperly

And i will give him adress and another question

[glacial wind]

Which has been your favourite support

Is James your new starter Pokemon

[steady halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-throw-pokemon-i-choose-you-gif-16422397

[fallen pecan]

more marketing, i'm guessing $1.5 a switch

[chilly mural]

waow

Gateron really hoping for bank

[tranquil iris]

Well, I asked support, they said unfortunatly not, I deleted my account and logged in with google

[glacial wind]

just make a new account with different email, should be fine since you’re not abusing it and never even finished one full order

[glacial wind]

I thought Zynoo was a budget brand

[tranquil iris]

yeah I used the same but lets just wish me luck and if they check their system they see there is only one order

I always do too much, alos I dont think you can change the mail if you logged in via google

[glacial wind]

can just make a fresh account

[tranquil iris]

I ordered should be fine tho

[glacial wind]

I assume if you made an account via Google it’s same as making a fresh account anyway

It just uses your Google details to make the account

[tranquil iris]

yeah and i changed my mail now too and delted the old account

saved 1 euro too

[fallen pecan]

They’re not, they’re the official keyboard brand for VCT China

[glacial wind]

Yeah but vct sponsor isn’t always high end I mean

[fallen pecan]

2k yuan for their previous board

[glacial wind]

Ah interesting so it’s pricy

[fallen pecan]

Nobody buys them so they just exist

[glacial wind]

Vct Americas had that awful clone cheapie board before as a sponsor for some of it

[fallen pecan]

🤷

[glacial wind]

They were using cheapie atk keyboards lol

I hope there’s something new and interesting for those switches and it’s not just literally a round stem with nothing new

[chilly mural]

wtf, that's too much

does it at least have any redeeming quality?

[fallen pecan]

No news yet, releasing with the new zynoo next month

[glacial wind]

It’s close to spelling zywoo so maybe people will feel it’s similar to the goat

[fallen pecan]

Did you mean the atk rs6? Wasnt aware of Atk sponsoring VCT

[glacial wind]

Yeah but wasn’t rs6 until recently

They had some teams using the older boards before although I assume it’s rs6 now

Vct Korea has pulsar too although I’m not sure how successful that’s been since half of their sponsored teams have wootings

maybe they’re happy long as the mice get used

[fallen pecan]

Yeah a quick search thru prosettings I’m only seeing 1 atk mousepad and aspas with his own rs6

ATK also sponsors Wolves but they’re all on Wootings

[chilly mural]

sad

[glacial wind]

worst one was when pulsar sponsored a VCT pacific giveaway and on stage the pro giving away the mouse awkwardly made a joke saying his razer mouse was better

announcer had to literally make him stop talking and move on lol

at least pulsar got their moneys worth now that prx won last event though

[wind karma]

how will the knobs work? if they're backwards compatible will they just clip in just how switches do

[glacial wind]

yes that's basically it

[wind karma]

oh

alright

[wispy turret]

anyone here ever use the everglide wukong HE switches

[glacial wind]

they weren't super popular since they didn't outperform the topend ttc stuff, so i don't think any of us bought em

[wispy turret]

i was thinking between the wukongs and the TTC POM KOM

i heard some nice stuff about the KOM and i like how it sounds too so ill prob just get that

[glacial wind]

one other option is the newer ttc helios too, which is like ttc pom kom but rail moved to top housing and better magnet

[polar girder]

Pardon?

[glacial wind]

although realistically speaking stability improvements reached softcap awhile ago already so technically better doesn't mean noticably better

[glacial wind]

it's basically mass market version of the previous overpriced snakes

[polar girder]

Ah nice

[wispy turret]

which TTC HE switch would u reccomend, i lowk rlly want to get the new releases but their are no sound tests that i can find so

[marble sierra]

Where did the split spacebar situation end off yesterday? @glacial wind

[glacial wind]

not much to really end off on. The discussion was basically 'they should just do it. i say they can so they can!' vs 'they tried and wanted to do it but couldn't due to x y z'

[glacial wind]

helios if you want the newest one with improved magnet. Maybe wait for @trail bane to get his

he can do a sound test for you since ttc sent him a couple

[wispy turret]

sounds good, itd be great if he can

[trail bane]

Lemme cook guys

[round sparrow]

Ttc helios?

[glacial wind]

yeah those are the latest ttc box stem style switch

[sweet oak]

Arent those the blue ones?

[glacial wind]

no blue is reserved for shafie's unlubed mx gateron 4 rail switch

[sweet oak]

Understood

I can make those crunch

[round sparrow]

Anyone got a pic of them?

[tawdry tree]

I think those are it

Apollo

I’m not sure why TTC started to call them Helios

[glacial wind]

helios is one of the sun gods

so they just picked the english god name

[tropic urchin]

Bire

[tawdry tree]

isn’t apollo that already?

oh, prob someone called them apollo and someone else helios

as usual

[tropic urchin]

But does this switch help with edging or will it burn your tip(s)

[tawdry tree]

sir

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1049808485610696704.gif?size=48

[tropic urchin]

Sorry just asking the real questions

[tawdry tree]

[meager skiff]

they might break your fingers instead of burn based on that image

[tropic urchin]

@tawdry tree I’ll remember your treachery

[tawdry tree]

ok friend

all jokes of course

[tropic urchin]

Lore accurate accurate ignition

[tropic urchin]

No problem buddy

[tawdry tree]

I don’t like the tone of that buddy, pal

[tropic urchin]

Maybe you need to get your ears checked out, amigo

[round sparrow]

oooh those match my redline keycaps a bit

[tawdry tree]

and you your eyes comrade

[tawdry tree]

they are orange

do not get scammed

[tropic urchin]

Yez yez i hav 20/20 bision, we amerikans haev ze bess visiœn

[round sparrow]

oh

then not

[tawdry tree]

🤓👍

[sacred elm]

[tawdry tree]

these on the other hand

[sacred elm]

ok dear

[sacred elm]

raptor ahh switches

[tropic urchin]

They’re so stable and cheatery switches that Gateron Jade gaming is shivering in their faux boxstem

[tawdry tree]

CHEATER v2

[tropic urchin]

Tikken boxstem when

[tawdry tree]

endgame

[tropic urchin]

@stray tiger the people demand bikken boxstem 🌹

[glacial wind]

apollo was a later sun god or something like that. Complicated greek mythology

[tawdry tree]

gateron with the apollos too doesn’t make it easy

[sacred elm]

its a car

wdym

[round sparrow]

yeah but those are old

not new hype switch

[tawdry tree]

released last month 😭

[glacial wind]

join the polar bros

[sweet oak]

Car

[tropic urchin]

Have you beceived them @glacial wind

[sacred elm]

car

[glacial wind]

nah they haven't even shipped them yet lol, it's been on to-ship for 3 days

[stray tiger]

Why and who is demanding it? Box stems can suck it as far as Im concerned

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-sad-halloween-upset-annoyed-gif-6891955062757799978

[knotty bobcat]

Anyone else get new socks when they build a new keyboard??

[stray tiger]

You know, these OSA Taeha sleeves look really good on the 80HE

[thorn zealot]

I pulled the trigger on mars cadet

Saw the kits sell out quick and didn’t want the base to be gone too

[tropic urchin]

Bars madet 🌹

[thorn zealot]

Ok usps is back to being the worse carrier

Been over a week since I ordered from milktooth and no update

[tropic urchin]

Bro didn’t pick the expedited shipping

[stray tiger]

Nice. I caved and picked up a cheap $65 oblivion kit and some extras to get to free shipping

[thorn zealot]

I saw normal shipping was 2-7 days

But to usps that means maybe

[tropic urchin]

It’s never 2 days on normal

That’s code for ordering on a Monday and you’ll get it by next Tuesday type shii

[thorn zealot]

Well I thought maybe I’d get it in a week

[tropic urchin]

You’re buying a 3 TB NVME and they’re giving you like 2.2 TB 🥀

[thorn zealot]

But usps had other plans

[sweet oak]

They filled it with crunch

As per my instructions

[thorn zealot]

U made my switches crunch 🙏 🙏