🔧│keyboard_modding

[buoyant sky]

Would I be best going for L45 (30-45g) or L60 (40-60g) switches? considering I like corsair MGX switches (27.7g - 58.1g)?

[lapis raven]

where can i buy actual krytox 205g0 that is properly mixed

[buoyant sky]

Here? https://wooting.io/product/wooting-switch-lubricant-lube-set?
Though I've never used it myself and have never even lubed a switch 😛

[fallen pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kheVOy6VfdI mioni new vid on budget HE boards

[sacred elm]

none, order owlab ti he

[little glen]

looking to make my keyboard sound exactly like the lego building sound effect in the lego games

[buoyant sky]

Where would I order those in Europe?

[sacred elm]

https://unikeyboards.com/products/owlab-ti-he-magnetic-switches?_pos=1&_sid=f03fbe1af&_ss=r

check how much is shipping for you

[buoyant sky]

Shipping is only 7eur, wouldn't thr brown of the switch interfere with rgb though?

[sacred elm]

second is owlab

Lekker, owlab, geon raw, black knight, jade max, ttc pom, jade pro

it will slightly change the rgb but the switch itself is very good, should be fine 😆

[buoyant sky]

Why is the L45 no good for example?

[sacred elm]

Wobble

[buoyant sky]

even on v2?

[sacred elm]

v2 has improved but still way worse than other options

[little glen]

v2 is a lot better than v1 but it's worse than current offerings, also it is open bottom and people generally prefer closed bottom due to the feel and sound

[buoyant sky]

Current issue with my v1.5 L60 is that the keys feel sticky when releasing after fully pressing them (only a few do this), and some are slightly scratchy

I think corsair uses KS-20 according to online information, and looks, though probably changed to their own specs a little bit, and they feel great

corsair is more like 30-60g while ks-20 white is 30-50g though it looks like ks-20 whites

[little glen]

sounds like your lekkers are either under or overlubed

[sacred elm]

if you care about rgb that much get geon raws, wooting sells them, they have slightly worse wobble than owlab switches but still better than lekkers

[buoyant sky]

both, probably, it feels really shitty 😄

[little glen]

but yeah as shf said above you should get owlabs ti he if you plan on getting anything atm

or ttc kom pom if you dont mind lubing yourself and paying more for best of the best

[lapis raven]

my switches were lubed like not even a month ago, the rails were lubed.

[sacred elm]

or wuque flux, if you gonna sell your kidney

[lapis raven]

now bone dry

[sacred elm]

[buoyant sky]

Looked into those, but they cost double what the lekker's cost with 20% off code, also looked into ks-20 white's but they total to 100eur 🥲

I just got my keyboard a few days ago, let's not spend 500eur on it just yet 😄

[little glen]

do not buy ks20 pls

ks20 are just lekker v1

[buoyant sky]

whatever corsair is using feels good though

[sacred elm]

raws are 40$

[little glen]

but yeah main upside of lekkers is that they are cheap

[sacred elm]

same as owlab ti

[buoyant sky]

but twice that, otherwise I don't have the amount I need 😛

[little glen]

do you need 180 switches?

[buoyant sky]

2x 70 = 140

[little glen]

ah you got a two he?

[buoyant sky]

But no I need 109 iirc, but they only come in 70 packs on wooting

and yup

[little glen]

i mean at that point get 110 owlabs ti he

[little glen]

yeah lekkers are cheaper but they are also worse

[sacred elm]

110 owlab ti switches for 53$

[little glen]

i am honestly interested in these

[sacred elm]

sure rgb wont be as good as lekkers, but feel>rgb

[little glen]

but i gotta stop spending all the time

[buoyant sky]

but corsair ones are feel + rgb! 😛

[sacred elm]

what even is corsair man

[buoyant sky]

it must exist in switch format aswell to buy somewhere

it's a brand 😄

[sacred elm]

i know

but they are just lekker v1

no?

if they are ks20

[little glen]

yeah

[buoyant sky]

they look like KS-20 white, according to a HE board sheet on google docs they're KS-20 whites, but the spring force doesn't match with that

[sacred elm]

you can get way better switches with minimal wobble, 110pc for 50$ or something

[little glen]

ks20 are terrible compared to the newer more modern switches out there

worse in wobble, stability etc etc etc

[lapis raven]

-137 usd

[sacred elm]

LOL

shee

[lapis raven]

they better be good

[sacred elm]

wait you didnt get free switch puller

?

[lapis raven]

eh dont need it

[sacred elm]

its very good puller

[lapis raven]

they never offered me it sooooo

[little glen]

keycap puller is good too

[sacred elm]

yea they better be good for that price lmao

but from videos they seem to be good

[lapis raven]

also is this normal after not even a month ?

just turning bone dry ?

after so little time

i relubed some but gave up

might as well buy some 100% real krytox 205g0 not some amazon krytox 205g0

[little glen]

its called lube settling

you can just spread the lube that was preapplied

[lapis raven]

uhhuh

[little glen]

yeah that looks like a ks20 (pls dont buy it and buy something better)

[high sphinx]

Hey guys has someone here tried leggera gummy mount with the screw in stabilizers ?

[little glen]

yes

[lapis raven]

i think so

yeah what wizard said

[little glen]

i have it that way

[sacred elm]

when are you receiving fluxes btw? let me know how they are

[lapis raven]

oh it was a pop up and i never read pop ups

right then...

[high sphinx]

oh ok so it works then cause some people were saying u need clip ins some said screw in works but ty for now comfirming that screw in works

[buoyant sky]

Are there any options with the entire 4mm of travel that are suggested? (like ks-20, lekker switches, etc) with clear or at least white top housing?

[lapis raven]

who the fuck madae it a pop up

[lapis raven]

will do

[sacred elm]

😭 you missed very good puller

[little glen]

it works but its a bit difficult to get in

[sacred elm]

only option is basically lekker v2, most switches are 3.4-3.5

[lapis raven]

gonna email them and see if i can get one thrown in my order

[sacred elm]

they will probably

[little glen]

what geon does and i did now is lubing the oring on those difficult spots and it helps a bit

[lapis raven]

seems like i have to do it through a ticket in their website.

[sacred elm]

yea

[buoyant sky]

damn, I mean I guess I can just order it and if it's shit I can just return it, and who knows, buy a steelseries, 250eur for a keyboard is good enough in my eyes 🥲

[little glen]

oh my god please

[sacred elm]

wtf

[buoyant sky]

haha, sorry 😛

[little glen]

dont buy a steelseries and please trust the people that do all the research and try all the switches

[lapis raven]

wtf do i put in the unsolved box ?

[buoyant sky]

Solved /s

[sacred elm]

Lekker v2s are not shit, thats not what I said. I said that they are worse than other popular switches.

At that point return your 2he and just buy 80he module with geon raws, raws are -20% when youre getting them with the module

just dont buy steelseries please

[little glen]

anything but shitseries

[sacred elm]

title?

[buoyant sky]

Not a fan of steelseries either, 250eur and they cheap out on anything other than the part you type on :x

[little glen]

nah they even cheap out on that

[sacred elm]

apex pro is the last gaming keyboard you want to get these days

[buoyant sky]

Oh I'm sure, but less so, at least they're HE switches and not MX red 🥲

[little glen]

i remember someone here didnt like the steelseries switches so they tried swapping them (it was advertised as hotswap)

[lapis raven]

Need switch puller with (order number)

[sacred elm]

yeah

[little glen]

turns out the switches were soldered onto the pcb for no reason so you need to destroy your whole board to get the switches out

[buoyant sky]

I read mixed things online if it was or wasn't hotswappable

[lapis raven]

hopefully they see it in time before they ship it

[little glen]

they dont even use HE over the entire board, half of it still uses mechanical switches

[buoyant sky]

the MX Red's aren't, the HE part is? or idk... but rtings rates the apex pro's as non hotswappable

yeah that's what I meant with cheaping out less on the part you type on

[stone flax]

Dont get steelseries

[sacred elm]

still confused why you want lekker v2s so desperately, even tho they are -20%. you will need two 70pc packs for your 2he. You can get 110pc owlab switches for 55$

[stone flax]

Or duhuks

[buoyant sky]

it's one reason I tried corsair over steelseries, but corsair eum not great 😛 their software goes down to 0.1mm but they advertise 0.4mm and it feels like they only detect at that range, but it's a feature somehow

[little glen]

smh duhuk slander

[buoyant sky]

but full size

[stone flax]

Buy a numpad

[buoyant sky]

90pcs + 20pcs does the job

[sacred elm]

rgb wont even be that bad with owlabs

🤷‍♂️

[buoyant sky]

It is tempting, but I have no idea how the brown will react, the unknown scares me 😛

[sacred elm]

If you are still considering return, I would return 2he, would order 80he module, owlabs ti switches and separate numpad 🤓

[buoyant sky]

I mean separate numpad has crossed my mind, but I rated it as impractical, plus my mousepad isn't impacted by it since it's tiny 😛

[dull drum]

Bro

Im trying to take out the case to lube my switches

And like the screws are now stripped

Can anyone suggest what to do

[buoyant sky]

Taking out the case to lube switches? doesn't one just pull the switches for that?

[buoyant sky]

get the screws out somehow and buy new screws, shouldn't be too hard to find new ones, at least looking at my two he

[sacred elm]

They probably have lekker v2s and pulling them is pretty hard, disassembling the keyboard and pulling from the plate is easier

[buoyant sky]

I thought my v1.5's were hard enough 🥲

[sacred elm]

v2s are harder, geon raws are even harder to pull

[lapis raven]

that was really quick wow

good support team

would support again

huzzah

[buoyant sky]

Taxes would kill me if I get those

[lapis raven]

they better sound nice

[sacred elm]

shee

"you saved 63$"

💀

[lapis raven]

i mean

discounts are rarely discounts

[sacred elm]

shameless pricing

[lapis raven]

most discounts, even though its illegal, are fake, and its the actual price

and the price without the discount is the inflated price

[stone flax]

snakes cost $2, but then cost $1.30

How is this not the same thing lol

Ttc also shameless then

$2 snakes

LOL

[sacred elm]

am i saying that snakes are not shameless

[dull drum]

Buying the new screws are not as hard as getting this one out bro

[stone flax]

well u glaze ttc blindly so

[dull drum]

Its has no grip

[stone flax]

goes with the whole church thing

[dull drum]

Not coming out at all

[sacred elm]

you take things so seriously lmao

[stone flax]

booting

[buoyant sky]

I've heard what "real price" is for some items, a cable is like 50cent to make webshop sells it for 20eur :x
Even though it wasn't amazon, imagine the markup on all amazon basics products

[sacred elm]

You were the one hating on ttc for 1$/pc, now suddenly 2$/pc switches are fine?

lmao

[stone flax]

$1.30

[lapis raven]

to me money is just money

[stone flax]

Same price as snakes

[lapis raven]

what is it, if not to be spent ?

[sacred elm]

or is it because your friend is working for them and suddenly its fine?

[stone flax]

?

[tawdry tree]

Full travel options are dying out. Black Knights are full travel and slightly more stable than stock Lekker V2s. Could add a Raw HE top housing to them and they become even more stable (slightly less than TTC KoMs).

[stone flax]

If snakes are worse than fluxes, and they both cost $1.30 what reason is there to buy snakes

genuine ask

Other than

Ttc churching

[sacred elm]

fuck snakes, why are you talking about them

[stone flax]

Because thats the switch that fluxes are comparable to? Both have redesigned molds for rails running through top housing rather than bottom

[little glen]

yeah that looks super stripped, looks like your screwdriver is a size or 2 too large

[lapis raven]

thats FUCKED

[stone flax]

Comparing flux to a lower priced switch like poms is about as smart as trying to compare poms to duhuks when duhuks cost 1/4th the cost

[fallen pecan]

drill that shit out bruh

[stone flax]

But people still do that

lel

[little glen]

there's a bunch of tricks on how to get stripped screws out around the internet but if you wanna make it quick, drill it out

[buoyant sky]

https://www.ifixit.com/en-eu/products/precision-screw-extractor-set maybe something like this, otherwise you'll have to resort to other tricks, just try to not make it worse in the meantime I guess?

[lapis raven]

grab it with needlenose pliers and unscrew it

[calm pulsar]

poms are now budget😭

[sacred elm]

what if poms are still more stable than fluxes

[lapis raven]

you might be able to squeeze a pair in around the screw and unscrew it

if not, drill

[stone flax]

church churching

[sacred elm]

ok

[tawdry tree]

Gotta get the new POMs shaf

can’t be a true church member when you’re missing the upgrade

[stone flax]

Get ttc honey switches only available in domestic market

Pretty cheap

Only $1.80

shiiii

[tawdry tree]

🥰

[stone flax]

For real

Bro is not ttc maxxing

[dull drum]

I got all the other screws out except this

[lapis raven]

my cat is laying like such an idiot

[dull drum]

This one was alr kinda stripped idk how

[buoyant sky]

What does the black do to RGB? I have white keycaps so whatever color the top housing gives off, I'll see on those keycaps 🥲

[sacred elm]

fuck those, maybe ill get fluxes if they are good. waiting for reviews first

[tawdry tree]

What you calling him an idiot for? 😭

[tawdry tree]

Stock black knights hinder RGB brightness quite a bit. With the Raw HE top housing RGB is slightly enhanced though, compared to Lekker V2s for example.

[sacred elm]

cat

[tawdry tree]

staring into your soul

[buoyant sky]

I doubt I can buy those top housings separately cheap?

[stone flax]

joshishishishishiba

[tawdry tree]

You can’t, but both Black Knights and Raw HEs are pretty cheap.

[sacred elm]

LMFAO

[tawdry tree]

You can use a top housing from other recolored switches as well, might be even cheaper.

[buoyant sky]

Everything looks expensive when you spent 225eur or so for a keyboard in the last week 😛

[tawdry tree]

For sure

Full travel options are so limited and shit

so I’d only recommend it if you really want that

[chilly mural]

Assuming you intend to buy those accessory and you include discount, the switch technically cost $1.1 without shipping and tax

[stone flax]

Goat

[buoyant sky]

I mean the switches corsair uses felt fine, maybe that's my perception of fine, but still. So I know they can be 'good' in a way

[sacred elm]

200$ mouse

"hey guys this scratch is normal"

[tawdry tree]

KS-20 are unarguably the worst switches (they were the first so I can give them some slack).

In terms of wobble, sound and feel.

[sacred elm]

they are fine, until you try actual "fine" switches

[tawdry tree]

Coming from some other gaming prebuilts, they can feel fine perhaps.

[buoyant sky]

comming from lekker switches they also feel fine 😛

[sacred elm]

lekkers are bad compared to others

[chilly mural]

aww

[tawdry tree]

Lekkers are KS-20s as well.

[buoyant sky]

I was expecting them to be better than cherry viola switches at least

[tawdry tree]

V1 (and V1.5) Lekkers.*

[buoyant sky]

I have v1.5's, way too much lube it feels like

[tawdry tree]

I’m guessing Corsair’s are V1.5 as well. IIRC they were pretty late.

[buoyant sky]

Corsair was released in 2023 or so

they don't look dual-rail so ks-20 with custom spring, looks more like it

[tawdry tree]

You should try a couple different switches from AliExpress honestly, it’s an easy and cheap way to see which ones you like.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, their newer boards have KS-20Us (the dual rails).

[buoyant sky]

Corsair's boards?

[sacred elm]

I dont think anything on aliexpress will be better than owlabs switches, when you can get 110pc for 55$

[calm pulsar]

like those

[tawdry tree]

V1s and V1.5s are really hard to- impossible to distinguish

[tawdry tree]

Rightttt

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

Don’t remember what the switch was called

[buoyant sky]

isn't the only one they make K70 Max? and MGX switches

[calm pulsar]

this is $202 for 100 pcs😭

[tawdry tree]

🥰

[buoyant sky]

This is that switch

[tawdry tree]

Hmm

[glacial wind]

I wonder why those Ali express listings only put up the last 2 versions of the snakes actually

The full poms never listed

[calm pulsar]

arent green snakes full pom?

[glacial wind]

Nah those ones pictured aren’t the full poms

There’s green snake pc top too, which is what’s shown there

[calm pulsar]

oh right fuck that even more then

[stray tiger]

This guy confirms the Ti's are tight - https://youtu.be/vEmt2dtiycE?si=wWLWM8lJ3CB_TgG0

[buoyant sky]

And I was planning on doing that, kind of, though the ones that get suggested don't really show up on aliexpress 😛 it's things I never heard of, or ks-20 white/jade (pro), etc

[tawdry tree]

These are their dual rail ones (KS-20U recolors).

[glacial wind]

I’m curious if the flux pricing is just a temp launch thing or not

[sacred elm]

hey, when are you receiving fluxes?

[tawdry tree]

I’d try Black Knights, Duhuks, perhaps Everglide Skylines and maybe KoM POMs although those are quite pricey.

[stray tiger]

His thoughts match mine on this switch exactly

[sacred elm]

they said they care about rgb

[stray tiger]

No ETA yet hasn't shipped

[tawdry tree]

Everglide Skylines for the top housing as well. ;)

[buoyant sky]

aha, their K70 pro just comes with normal switches afaik, interesting they chose the same name for their HE board, but the K70 Max (full size board) comes with the switch I sent pics of, so not dual rail

[chilly mural]

YEAHHH

[tawdry tree]

“HMX?!”

With actual HMX magnetic switches around the corner..

[calm pulsar]

we're getting into HE switch slop era

everything is the same

ws flux our hope

[tawdry tree]

Black Knights: https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ey4KL8G
Everything else should be easy to find by typing the name out.

[tidal frigate]

Blame chinnese brands for slop

[glacial wind]

I don’t know if I can bring myself to spend more than $1 a switch still. Not even about the money but feels kind of bad to spend that much on switches

[tawdry tree]

HMX with the PC top was unexpected ngl

[stray tiger]

Yeah I'm amped and this guy says their molds are really good. I think they will have a good HE entry.

[tawdry tree]

Surelyyyyyy

[calm pulsar]

yeah mainly why im upset lol

[tawdry tree]

[calm pulsar]

that's fair, I might get them way later down the line

[glacial wind]

I’ll probably wait and try them out if they ever drop below $1 a switch like the poms

What are they now with the discount?

[tawdry tree]

1.1-1.3

[calm pulsar]

for 70 I believe it was 91 with the discount

without shipping

[kind helm]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down the line

[glacial wind]

okay so if it eventually makes it to aliexpress with that discount and a sale then it’s doable maybe

Not sure if that discount is temporary or not though

[tawdry tree]

they’ll be on TB in a month or so

Imoshi asked them

[lapis raven]

because he is laying like an idiot

[lapis raven]

i care not for the price of things really

[kind helm]

i think it will be cheaper if mr @calm pulsar gets it through taobao right? since hes pretty close to cn

[tawdry tree]

MEAN!

[lapis raven]

im the guy that bought a 5090 for 3.2k gbp

[chilly mural]

hopefully it's not temporary and just make it close to pom or even lower than pom

[lapis raven]

no cosmo is the meanie, he is such a dick to my other cat

[calm pulsar]

aliexpress is easier cause it accepts russian cards, not sure about taobao

[sacred elm]

bro is pinging himself

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[glacial wind]

They’ll probably suffer same issue as the poms in that it’s tricky to justify increased cost vs something like owlabs for average people, but min max folk might pay the extra

[chilly mural]

but then like, I kinda just want my both wooting and venom to have owlab TI HE

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[sacred elm]

i love minmaxxing

[glacial wind]

Yeah honestly I think owlabs still seems the better general recommendation

[kind helm]

i just worry ali would add the cost of shipping to the price then it may not be reasonable to get through ali. but you can always compare when they are up hehe

[glacial wind]

For general preferences that is

[tawdry tree]

why do people like the top out sound so much

it sounds so echoy

[calm pulsar]

im paying second half of my custom guitar next month, so kinda don't even want to look into any other purchases

[tawdry tree]

never understood it

[tawdry tree]

in general I mean

[kind helm]

we like noise, the clean type

[tawdry tree]

[calm pulsar]

maybe I can find some coupons and wait for a sale hehe

[chilly mural]

If I can stomach extra bit of clack owlab Tee hee is perfecto

[glacial wind]

I guess taobao price will be the real question for flux, because aliexpress listings are just taobao price plus 10% or so

[buoyant sky]

Are the black knights on aliexpress? And Duhuk Key I assume?

[tawdry tree]

doubt it’s gonna be much cheaper than the discounted ones

[ancient pebble]

hey guys, where can I find 80 plate file

[tawdry tree]

The Black Knights I linked. All the switches I mentioned are on Ali, yeah.

Duhuks are called Duhuk Core HE.

[sacred elm]

why are we considering black knights in big 2026

[tawdry tree]

get a manu to make full travel switches, I’ll wait.

[buoyant sky]

unfortunately, not on ali 😛

[tawdry tree]

Ali search is shit

[glacial wind]

I can’t remember what to search for but they are there

[glacial wind]

They don’t show up for duhuk though

[calm pulsar]

duhuk magnetic switch

[lapis raven]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005008504143758.html?gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt

[calm pulsar]

but choose wooting suitable version

[tawdry tree]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ey4KL8G

[buoyant sky]

yes, the key version

[fallen pecan]

actually these are the mag switches, OG and CELEBRATION edition

[stray tiger]

Give me a Ti switch with full travel and I'll stop testing new switches for a while

[kind helm]

lekker v3 with closed bottom

when

[fallen pecan]

these are called RGB edition, but i don't see them for sale anywhere

[calm pulsar]

they will have to be a bit taller I think, otherwise the stem would hit the pcb directly

[glacial wind]

Yeah the whole thing is confusing as hell because the last 2 never appeared

[tawdry tree]

they don’t exist yet 😃👍

[fallen pecan]

there's also the snake MX switches

[stray tiger]

Or a shorter stem

[tawdry tree]

I want a tighter open-bottom bottom housing. As tight as Raw/Duhuk’s. 😭

[cyan lark]

Wooting’s github

[calm pulsar]

true
actually all this time I think most switches just added material on bottom to reduce travel, but didnt reduce the stem lol

[stray tiger]

I think I'm past the lube cleanup on the open bottoms after time.

[kind helm]

i just want a tighter raw for my salv

[little glen]

i have a solution for you

its called drill

or knife

[ancient pebble]

yea, find out only case 3d models

[tawdry tree]

You don’t like a fully foamed up board with a switch sheet that catches all the lube? 😂

[kind helm]

i am not touching my tofu2.0 for a while. until somehow my salv build becomes better than my tofu2.0 build

[fallen pecan]

Price diff between OG and CELEBRATION, for 100 switches

[kind helm]

always trying to make one build better than the other

[calm pulsar]

oh noo I remember experiencing this

[kind helm]

hehe

[tawdry tree]

I think Turing has a solution as well, just pressing hard with a switch opener.. 💀

[calm pulsar]

easy, just build an MX

[stray tiger]

Ok back to sleep. This is what I get for having to pee in the middle of the night.

[lapis raven]

man i want these already, i cant be fucked waiting like 5+ months

i have no PATIENCE

[kind helm]

real keybort enjoyer experience

[tawdry tree]

I hope they’re good man

[calm pulsar]

this used to be 2 years for gmk

[tawdry tree]

I didn’t get them cause no trust

[lapis raven]

wdym ?

[kind helm]

the youngest joshiba waited for froggy leggera for like half year

[lapis raven]

and yeah i hope they are too

[tawdry tree]

no trust that they’ll turn out as good as I hope

[lapis raven]

ah

[kind helm]

you can do that too :3

[lapis raven]

what is a froggy leggera

[tawdry tree]

I loveee black and gold tho

[lapis raven]

exactly thats my reaction !

[cyan lark]

Cosmos eroded some of my trust in early adoption of caps as well

[tawdry tree]

slightly cream and gold too

[lapis raven]

doesnt look like a frog to me

[calm pulsar]

peak

[cyan lark]

Frog inside

[tawdry tree]

If Cosmos was good, I’d have gotten black gold for sure

[chilly mural]

hmm, I wonder if I should...

[little glen]

i like cosmos

smh my head

[kind helm]

lowkey i think irl that board would be loud af

[sacred elm]

lock in

[kind helm]

i dont know how lil bro type in his living room without getting yelled at

[lapis raven]

dew it

[kind helm]

i still remember mr hopperbus's volumne comparison between leggera and 80he

[lapis raven]

it annoys me that rgb on keyboards will never get white right

[little glen]

eh its possible

[cyan lark]

I took a chance on hard to read legends with cosmos to get a cool spacey sparkle and instead got dusty blanks. They still look alright and I have them in but I suspect they’ll get replaced at some point.

[little glen]

just costs more and draws more power

[lapis raven]

always slightly pink

[calm pulsar]

I noticed that an HMX switch is still like 3x as quiet as poms lol

[kind helm]

dusty blanks LOL

[cyan lark]

Drop your R value

[quasi hinge]

Yoooo, lemme know how these are pls

[sacred elm]

try 200 250 250 rgb

[kind helm]

same setup?

[quasi hinge]

I hold no allegiance, if wuque best then change church lmao

[lapis raven]

ill post an update for them when i get them and how much lube is on them stock and what they sound like in my board etc

[calm pulsar]

well not same but both on soft mounts

[kind helm]

wait actually both of your boards have top piece, same plate?

[calm pulsar]

yes

[kind helm]

damn

[cyan lark]

Oh damn Callum took the flux plunge 🫡

[lapis raven]

im currently on TTC POM or KOM rn? the fully clear on from the wooting collab

[calm pulsar]

also lx60 is way lighter, so it should be louder, but with MX it is quieter

[kind helm]

yea one of the reason why i like HE more is HE just hits harder

LOL

[lapis raven]

more of a dip of the toes

[quasi hinge]

Im on OG pom, magnetos

[cyan lark]

KoM RGB then

[calm pulsar]

yeah it's a thud xd

[kind helm]

when i switched back to mx for a little bit just to see what salv mx sounds like, it was too tamed to me

[quasi hinge]

Non pom

[lapis raven]

my brother in christ that is teal

[kind helm]

joshy is doomed

[tawdry tree]

There are WLED versions of those SMD LEDs. I have hope one day we’ll see WLEDs used.

[fallen pecan]

the stock hmx on my rainy75 is as loud if not louder than the rgb koms on my rainy75rt

[sacred elm]

better than slightly pink

[calm pulsar]

funny but I always pursued similar to MX feeling on HE

[lapis raven]

lol

[cyan lark]

Can’t trust what the color looks like tho if the LEDs are off

[lapis raven]

yeah whatever the RGB version is called

[lapis raven]

yummers

[quasi hinge]

They are great but of course, chasing that placebo edge

[lapis raven]

whats the difference between KOM and POM ?

[lapis raven]

i love me a good placebo

[quasi hinge]

Both are KOM

Pom is the version

[sacred elm]

material

[quasi hinge]

Rgb is another version

[kind helm]

btw mr @cyan lark , avatar on or off still :3, especially after the joshiba family has grown bigga

LOL

[quasi hinge]

Both are TTC KOM

[lapis raven]

ah okay

[quasi hinge]

100% if wuque is better then…

[sacred elm]

in video it seems to have better wobble, but we need to wait for stability tests

[tawdry tree]

KoM, KoM POM, KoM RGB, Wooting KoM POM, Wooting KoM RGB.

😵‍💫

[calm pulsar]

King of magnetism, who struggle with the edge.

[sacred elm]

mount tai switches also have less wobble but they lost to poms in stability tests

[quasi hinge]

I am letting early adopters find out, learned my lesson with jade Maxs lol

[kind helm]

also the fact that hejin is the same as grain gold probably confuses the fck out of non chinese speaker as well

LOL

[tawdry tree]

not in stability tests, in flux tests right?

[sacred elm]

Yea that

[tawdry tree]

IDK why so many manus have shit coms

like their communication is so shit

[silk hound]

Has there been tests for ws flux

[quasi hinge]

Then IF it is sufficiently the meta in stability and flux without controversy then Ill switch

[tawdry tree]

Not yet afaik

[kind helm]

D showed the sound and wobble comparison but not using tools

[silk hound]

I will be waiting I keep hearing its the next thing

[quasi hinge]

Then if I get the wuque I can send MJ my magnetos so he can try them and legitimately hate on them

[tawdry tree]

Woot needs to make a fucking tester bro

[silk hound]

In WS server? I haven’t seen a video

[tawdry tree]

Both a strength and fluctuation tester

[tawdry tree]

Here

[kind helm]

here, i think one or two days ago, my brain is gone

memory is a blurrrrrr

[chilly mural]

bai bai money

[tawdry tree]

idk his discord name

[lapis raven]

i hope they are lol

[kind helm]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[lapis raven]

i just want my keyboard to sound nice

[quasi hinge]

Wait for more than one opinion so its not controversial. Some tests are biased or not properly done

[lapis raven]

nice and yummy

looking for that nice sharp crisp clack

maybe something else in there too

[quasi hinge]

Hope so too, always edging for perfection

[kind helm]

they still dont show the variance of their spring

[quasi hinge]

Although wallet may not like lol

[kind helm]

i have little faith to wooting

[silk hound]

That’s what I am doing

[quasi hinge]

Same haha

[tawdry tree]

[quasi hinge]

Got that Flux35 code hot and ready lol

[lapis raven]

at least the knight stabs were really nice

[sacred elm]

https://streamable.com/ey884g

[quasi hinge]

Just ordered these also

[sacred elm]

i was talking about this

[tawdry tree]

this is probably the worst way to test

[kind helm]

thats kom rgb as well not pom :3

[sacred elm]

and

[kind helm]

wasnt you talking about pom here

[stone flax]

mreow

[kind helm]

gud morning

[cyan lark]

All the KoMs have the same perf afaik

[sacred elm]

pom and kom rgb have the same stability

[tawdry tree]

RGB and POM

KoMs slightly worse

also a different travel on KoMs

[cyan lark]

Wasn’t there a rev 2 on OGs?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

Rev 2 still dif

[quasi hinge]

Even sneks?

[cyan lark]

Huh okay 🤷

[tawdry tree]

No

[cyan lark]

No I guess snakes are diff as well

[tawdry tree]

Well, snakes untested afaik

[ruby hill]

All of them sound bad compare to the Ti HE

[quasi hinge]

Numbers or noise

Show us the flux

[glacial wind]

nah nothing actually measuring yet, just rough tests

[quasi hinge]

Show us the stability

[sacred elm]

its fine

[chilly mural]

Hmm, once the owlab switches arrive idk what to do with my raw. Maybe I can just resell at 1/4 price or save it.

[cyan lark]

Half will be annihilated in the pulling process

[fallen pecan]

i rmb someone here that had a HM board to test wobble with, but i forgot who

[kind helm]

@tawdry tree are you getting some flux to play around with?

[chilly mural]

ehh, hopefully not

if it is, ehh, guess to the trash it goes

[cyan lark]

Good backups right?

[tawdry tree]

after they’re on TB, then Imoshi will get them for me but it’s gonna be quite a while.

I did order the HMX ones though

[kind helm]

probably one or two months with delivery and stuff i am guessing?

[tawdry tree]

prob more

[chilly mural]

it still sounds nice, but I want full parity and not particularly eager to buy another set of raw due to how it can self distruct and there's already something better

[tawdry tree]

I wanna get the Rakka V2 as well but not sure when it’ll release

[ruby hill]

Ti HE should be fine, stable with venom 0.04rt, unless using those 0.01rt Chinese board

[quasi hinge]

You cant say they are goat without seeing the numbers lmao

[kind helm]

what would be the improvement on the hardware side?

[quasi hinge]

For example

[ruby hill]

Sure feel and sounds are most important

[tawdry tree]

layout support mostly

and underglow LEDs if you’d call that performance

[quasi hinge]

Made you should disclaimer that opinion then

[lapis raven]

i want to try an ALU plate instead of fr4 but gotta wait until they restock

[calm pulsar]

yeah, all HE is fast anyways

[tawdry tree]

can’t forget the 2 in 1 daughter board either ofc

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/more-rgb-equals-more-fps-ashwin-ganesh-c4etech-more-fps-better-performance-gif-18317522

[quasi hinge]

Have you tried CF?

[lapis raven]

i have not

[calm pulsar]

I need leds in keycaps now

[chilly mural]

which means, wooting is better than venom

[quasi hinge]

They go nice with POM

[lapis raven]

ill give it a buy

and then a try

[tawdry tree]

Can I interest you with LEDs on the switch plate? Or perhaps North AND South facing LEDs are more to your liking?

[quasi hinge]

I just got the silver cf but found out tolerance were different lol

[sacred elm]

get mx then

💀

[quasi hinge]

Had to go back to black CF

[lapis raven]

were different from the black cf? or other plates ?

oh damn

whys that ?

[ruby hill]

Ti HE is better than raw he
Raw he not stable with venom 0.04rt but 0.06rt

[quasi hinge]

Waiting for Knights V2

[lapis raven]

i was about to order the silver one

shall i just get the black one

[lapis raven]

oh ew wtf

happened there

[quasi hinge]

Black has better tolerance

Silver behind

[lapis raven]

how strange

ill buy the black one i guess

[cyan lark]

Jeez that silver looks chewed up

[quasi hinge]

Forget Raws, compare to current Meta which is TTC Pom. Challenger approaching is wuque

[lapis raven]

noice

[ruby hill]

Already did
But I don’t think that the wooting board and venom board support 0.01
Which means the stability is the same

[little glen]

ISO plates when

[quasi hinge]

Veredis got the silver and said his works with Knights V2 np

Im using TX AP thiccc bois

[sacred elm]

on wooting, deadzone decreases with stable switches

with poms youll have less deadzone

[quasi hinge]

Black in front, silver behind

[lapis raven]

alreaday ordered the black one anyway

[quasi hinge]

That was fast haha

[lapis raven]

^

[cyan lark]

Yeah I'm talking about the cutouts on the silver behind

[fallen pecan]

pray he doesnt send you the clip on plate version

[quasi hinge]

Yeah……

[lapis raven]

ive got money coming out of my ears

[cyan lark]

They look really rough compared to the clean cuts on the black

[ruby hill]

I don’t think I can feel that 0.03mm
Btw any test for kom with wooting deadzone?

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/tinytim-tim-poor-child-boy-gif-7331148

[lapis raven]

lol

[quasi hinge]

Someone said they are meant for clip in

[glacial wind]

basically about a 0.15 or something like that difference in deadzone, but that's very rough

[quasi hinge]

But Varedis said his Knights V2 worked np

[ruby hill]

How about raw he?

[glacial wind]

i don't think it's a big deal though, some folks might not care about having the board be hyper sensitive

[glacial wind]

full deadzone

no reduction with those as far as we know

[ruby hill]

0.2?

[glacial wind]

0.15ish is the stock deadzone

depending on firmware and such of course

[quasi hinge]

Stability is noice

[cyan lark]

Did you consider trying going back to stock stabs? I had to for even the regular CF, removing my TX APs. Same fit issues.

[ruby hill]

Even using KoM is 0.15?

[quasi hinge]

I didnt haha, it only hit me after I ordered them

[glacial wind]

no kom pom was 0.03mm deadzone, so almost none

[quasi hinge]

They are coming from shopee thailand lol

[chilly mural]

consistency>speed

[cyan lark]

Or I guess just get knights since they do seem nice 🙂

[quasi hinge]

Hope they are real and hassle to return

Plus they are great stabs

[glacial wind]

box stems seem to do really well for however wootings board configures that adjusting deadzone

[quasi hinge]

And worked for Varedis

[glacial wind]

but again i don't think it's a super big deal in particular since a lot of folks don't even use the most sensitive setting on their board, so if they don't then it makes no difference to them

[ruby hill]

Can’t wait to see how good the Ti HE is

[quasi hinge]

Mine is max everything for fps

[glacial wind]

ti he is non box stem, so unlikely to be as much reduction

jade pros for example don't see much reduction

[lapis raven]

has there ever been a switch made out of a harder material? like CNC alu? or something

[kind helm]

i thought kk on venom

[quasi hinge]

100$ a switch

[ruby hill]

Less than 0.1 is good enough

[lapis raven]

i would like to see that at least once

[tropic urchin]

Correct ✅

[glacial wind]

yeah what i'm saying is iirc people tested with jade pros and it was still near 0.15 deadzone

[lapis raven]

it seems every switch is made of the same materials

[glacial wind]

it's cause bottom out is affected a lot more with box stems than other non box stems

[cyan lark]

I haven't heard a peep about knight v3s and I'm in the market for a set for my 60. Is there some issue with them, or just nobody had the need to get them after v2s?

[little glen]

v2 are good

v3 are also good

[glacial wind]

pretty much just as good as v2s, so no real change for anyone i think

[tropic urchin]

They’re fairly new and have no support for long pole. They only changed something related to pitch I believe

[glacial wind]

they're still the same status in korea where v3s sell out whenever they get stock lol

[cyan lark]

👍 just making sure there wasn't some Jade Maxx situation going on there

[ruby hill]

How about venom
Iirc raw he with venom is 0.1 deadzone

[quasi hinge]

I even ordered those self tuning stabs off ali express

[glacial wind]

venom runs different software

aka venom you pick the deadzone and it's up to you to find where it works for your switch

wooting it picks for you

so venom you can set to 0 if you want (if you're on the firmware that allows 0)

[tawdry tree]

Difference between V1 and V2 was little. The difference between V2 and V3 is littler

[quasi hinge]

Designer studios or something

[little glen]

get the stabs that only exist in that one 3000 dollar topre board that is also the ugliest thing i have ever seen

[quasi hinge]

wut

[tawdry tree]

Bauer

[quasi hinge]

20$ stabs are good enough

[kind helm]

8 dolla stabs are good enough

[tawdry tree]

no stabs good enough

[quasi hinge]

Oled finalboard

[cyan lark]

Nothing is ever good enough for #🔧│keyboard_modding

[kind helm]

if the switch is really gud, i think that works too

i think i saw someone does that

[little glen]

that norbauer board is so damn ugly man i cant believe it

[ruby hill]

Not sure if the zero deadzone is true

[tawdry tree]

yeah, for everything but space it’s usable but friction does increase quite a bit

[quasi hinge]

But its premium

[tawdry tree]

used my HM for a while without stabs lol

[glacial wind]

well it's true, just unadvised to be set lol

[tawdry tree]

split space helped a lot

[glacial wind]

they've gone back and forth on 0 and 0.1mm deadzone for venom because 0 caused some issues at times

0.1mm seems safer and easier to run overall

[kind helm]

i remember on venom by default deadzone is 0.04mm

[little glen]

the more premium stuff gets the less it looks good i feel like

[glacial wind]

if you're on the 0 possible deadzone firmware then that might be true

[little glen]

there is some sort of peak in the price/looks department and after that shit just gets uglier the more you spend

[glacial wind]

if on the other firmware then it's 0.1mm

[quasi hinge]

Look at those fashion shows, slap shit together charge 8500 a ‘dress’

[ruby hill]

6.0 is 0.1?

[kind helm]

ah yea i am on beta i think that should be the one

[ruby hill]

Currently 6.2(beta) 6.0(stable)

[dark shale]

Looking for good PBT keycaps with good shine through, any suggestions?

[sacred elm]

wooting

[glacial wind]

should be 0, you can check by going into deadzone and seeing how low it lets you set it

[dark shale]

Okay.. besides the.. obvious. I should have been more clear about that but yes that is a good example

[glacial wind]

maybe they gave up on 0 and set 0.04mm lol

0 was back last year when eyejoker was reviewing it

[quasi hinge]

I use wootings too

[ruby hill]

6.0 can set to zero

[kind helm]

it allows you to set to 0

[glacial wind]

oh there you go

[kind helm]

i think that is the default value :3

0.04mm i meant

[glacial wind]

but yeah i'd generally recommend you leave some deadzone if you're setting super low actuation/rt, it actually lowers the amount of mispress/misreleases

[dark shale]

I know they're good but I'm not sure about their price.

[glacial wind]

like 0.05rt and 0 deadzone is psychotic for gaming

you'd miss strafe so much

[kind helm]

i am just following what was recommended by geon

that deadzone thingy i was just showing it xD

[glacial wind]

yeah i think 0.1 is a good margin honestly

[ruby hill]

lekker v2 not stable with venom 0.1

[glacial wind]

i think they more added the ability just to say it could do it and so venom could win on marketing and chinese tests, but they don't expect people to all use it

most sane folks will add in some amount of deadzone back

[kind helm]

venom actually havent been tested by both of the testers that have a database of things

[glacial wind]

i think they prioritise eyejokers testing more so the chinese db guys

since eyejoker gives notes and feedback in the beta

[ruby hill]

Those 0.005 Chinese board bottom algorithm will increase the RT latency or not?

[kind helm]

does eyejoker have a vid where he goes through the settings for HE and give his thoughts and recommendations on how things should be set?

[calm pulsar]

[ruby hill]

Without algorithm seems to be impossible to stable with 0.005

[surreal edge]

is zinc alloy sound better than pcr one?

is both sound very diff? or kinda similar

[ruby hill]

Just buy pcr + gt80

[surreal edge]

should i buy pcr one then later upgrade to gt-80....

[surreal edge]

which feel more premium gt-80 or zinc one....zinc one come with case idk i will use it or not

[glacial wind]

all those settings are just nonsense stuff anyway

it's literally a fake 0.005 setting that will set it to like 0.05 or something else when it detects shakes

[tropic urchin]

I like GT80 over zinc as zinc original buyer, their typing angle and case feel is better imo and you don’t have case screws

[ruby hill]

If I could choose once more, I’d give up my zinc and get the gt80

[tawdry tree]

[glacial wind]

yeah i do think gt80 looks more premium, although neither case is my ideal aesthetic

[surreal edge]

you own both zinc gt-80?...i feel confues ig i feel i like gt-80 looks better ig by default gt-80 angle is enough for me....cuz i dont thing i will low angle for any use in keeb

[lapis raven]

i like the gt-80

[surreal edge]

oh initially you bought zinc?

[surreal edge]

im thinking to wait more for after market case...idk i feel there will be no 3rd part case for 80he...

[ruby hill]

Yup, I’m first batch, there was no gt80 at that time

[chilly mural]

dont worry, you also going to have a rhythm gamer's opinion

[glacial wind]

they'll come with time, but just depends what you're waiting for

[calm pulsar]

nah I think they are great if they are close to duhuks without their top out, just the message was funny considering their name

[surreal edge]

are zinc feel differ than alu case? i mean in genral..

[tropic urchin]

Both white zinc and gt80 yes

[chilly mural]

O. OHH LMao

[surreal edge]

i want something extra stuff with clean look...like i like rainy keeb main bcoz of back side plate and cloud

[surreal edge]

what you suggest then

?

[ruby hill]

That’s talking about the deadzone test
Feels and sounds already GOAT

[surreal edge]

i mainly want to spend money and not regret later

[chilly mural]

I'll be the judge

If it suck I'm using lekker

[ruby hill]

Get the gt80

[tropic urchin]

I really like the GT80, you won’t regret either decision, but GT80 is nice if you wanna mod your keyboard quickly

[chilly mural]

also, kinda wanna save up for the next gmk set for venom.

[kind helm]

not the first time that happens here

[chilly mural]

maybe a basic bitch black will do as long as it's gmk

[surreal edge]

🥹 yeah then ig 2-4 month later ig i should wait to check any 3rd party case....but wait can i make own case? i mean possible?

[chilly mural]

just want the sound

[cyan lark]

GMK WoB, ain't nothing wrong with that

[calm pulsar]

fair, but I wasn't serious anyways hehe

[ruby hill]

[calm pulsar]

gmk black snail

[surreal edge]

is alu and zinc feel diff? i mean zinc is kinda denser if i look into chemistry ...but both case almost weight same.....is there any reason wooting chosse zinc for case rather than alu

[ruby hill]

The new gmk gb Prussian Blue looks very nice

[calm pulsar]

yeah these have been in my bookmarks for a while now

[ruby hill]

[little glen]

thats pretty nice

but i feel like it needs something else for accent

[ruby hill]

Blue samurai novelties

[calm pulsar]

would love if mods were with words and not symbols but its wtv

[chilly mural]

I guess I go for any of Obolotzky gmk caps that'll only be $130.

[tropic urchin]

A little bit, I think zinc is slightly deeper and alu is slightly brighter overall but it’s not a massive difference for sound.

[chilly mural]

with shipping

[ruby hill]

Try mtnu

[surreal edge]

ohh...then ig i should spend on gt-80 or wait for more 3rd part case🫡

[chilly mural]

Noh, I wanna be a basic bitch and just go with abs again

Current set is very noice for rhythm game still

[tropic urchin]

You’ll end up probably waiting along time for others, but GT80 is a great case

[kind helm]

fck, i suddenly feel the urge to get some ti he for salv

[calm pulsar]

my last 6 sets are abs

[kind helm]

my salv build not keeping up with my tofu build rn

[surreal edge]

nah wait mainly to collect money to bought case

[kind helm]

pain

[surreal edge]

not like ewait for other case

[ruby hill]

Just got 3pbt
Mtnu bitch, nicepbt, wooting

[calm pulsar]

mtnu bitch?

[ruby hill]

Yes

https://novelkeys.com/products/mtnu-beige

[calm pulsar]

great set

[little glen]

i missed the mntu blanks

[calm pulsar]

damn they were up for a long time

[little glen]

i procrastinated it for a while

[calm pulsar]

next time hurry up and spend your money irresponsibly quick enough

[chilly mural]

yesh

[calm pulsar]

$99

[little glen]

i would love to hear some mntu impressions

[chilly mural]

if I want to get a 3rd set, mtnu could be nice

just fear that the layout will interfere with how I play

[ruby hill]

mtnu goat

[chilly mural]

fuwee, my venom still on custom clearance

and next week is public holiday ree

[tropic urchin]

Nice key caps joshiba

[calm pulsar]

thanks joshiba

[chilly mural]

joshiba are soo nice

[tropic urchin]

Good morning fellow joshiba

[tropic urchin]

And good morning joshiba san

[calm pulsar]

ohayou🙇‍♂️

[tropic urchin]

I see drakon has abandoned the faith and soon will meet the fate of aligner for ditching the church of scien… I mean joshiba

[ionic breach]

[chilly mural]

Tee Hee

[fluid ravine]

Ohayo joshibasan

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/ohito-ohio-usa-rainbow-states-gif-23999361

[calm pulsar]

I think at some point we gotta get back to our names cause it might get too weird for the real joshiba

[calm pulsar]

lol why it says Ohito

[cyan lark]

This joshiba cult has more staying power than I had originally anticipated

[tropic urchin]

There’s a real joshiba?

[calm pulsar]

yed

yes

all of us

[tropic urchin]

Longer than duhuks

[tropic urchin]

You cannot take a picture of our prophet

50 lashes with spaghetti noodl

[chilly mural]

Yeah!!! Owlab Tee Hee also needs to be a church

[cyan lark]

Poor duhuks. My order for them getting returned to China was a sign, I think.

[chilly mural]

Probably

Now use that money to cop owlab

[cyan lark]

They do sound nice from all the tests I've heard.

But I'm already all POMed up 🤷 need a real good reason

[lapis raven]

woah these look really nice

where do you get those from

[sacred elm]

It was a sign... to order fluxes

[fallen pecan]

fbb littlefingers

[chilly mural]

mmm, light

[calm pulsar]

keykobo cherries

I got them from aliexpress but they sell directly too

[cyan lark]

Bit rich for my blood. If it walked on water maybe, but from where I'm standing it just kinda seems like a neat KoM competitor.

[little glen]

i got the geon stem holder and now i wanna lube it cause its so scratchy 😭

[cyan lark]

#keyboard_tool_modding

[lapis raven]

i ordered 90 fluxes,

[sacred elm]

[quasi hinge]

Bete tester respect

Front liners

[lapis raven]

i mean, they cant be bad right

[quasi hinge]

Its just we have POMs and just want to know if it is worth switching. If for some reason they are not as good then ttc still king.

If however there are great reviews from a couple of people with numbers to back it up, then time to move church

Placebo edge maxing

[tropic urchin]

They’ll be a decent upgrade from all the other non POM switches

I imagine from POM to flux it’ll be pretty large diminishing returns on your $2 ‘investment’

[quasi hinge]

But new king is the Q

[tropic urchin]

Q?

[sacred elm]

we know you ordered 90pc fluxes varedis, without discount code

[indigo river]

@stone flax you made me do it

[sacred elm]

tf is this case man 😭

[lapis raven]

i’ll edge you with the testing in that i’ll get them, say they are here , it only post stuff once a day

[quasi hinge]

Question

[round sparrow]

is that wooting 80he case?

[sacred elm]

Sikakeyb Hm80

this is not 80he

[tropic urchin]

Oh 💀

[quasi hinge]

?

[tropic urchin]

I thought Q was a new switch, but was just abbreviated for question

[quasi hinge]

Im wondering if the wuques will be crowned new king

[sacred elm]

👑

[tropic urchin]

Yeah we’re on the same page

[cyan lark]

👑

[quasi hinge]

Hilarious, I named my 12/13 year old cat Q from star trek

Then this crap became a thing

[cyan lark]

Ain't that the worst, when you get backed into something

[quasi hinge]

Im not in the us but I know about it lol

[cyan lark]

FWIW nerds know about Q. I'm not even a trekkie and I do, so you're not totally by yourself.

(Or trekker, IDK what the politically correct term is for you people)

[quasi hinge]

Q from the continuum, I only watched Picard, Next generation. Everything else was ehh. Original too early

[cyan lark]

I tried educating myself on original and it was... tough. Didn't make it too far.

[quasi hinge]

Kind of hope how we would be as a species instead of fighting each other

[lapis raven]

is there a reason they want to do this manoeuvre

[cyan lark]

Different time/tastes

[lapis raven]

this is the reason it’s scratching against my top plate

[cyan lark]

Maybe the the wire is uneven?

[lapis raven]

how would i test for that

i don’t think i have properly level surface

but they are all doing it

[cyan lark]

I do think it requires some flat surface. Not sure then if all of them are doing it, seems less likely.

[lapis raven]

but yeah they are all doing it

[cyan lark]

Could at least check one against your smartphone?

(assuming you have a glass protector on 🙂 )

[lapis raven]

it’s perfectly fine

when i tap on either side

doesn’t move at all

completely flush with the screen

and i don’t think screen protector would matter phones are pretty hard to scratch, just crack easily

my phones just a bit lubey now ;)

[daring herald]

looking to get some new switches, anyone got any recommendations? preferably prelubed :)

[sacred elm]

owlab ti he

https://unikeyboards.com/products/owlab-ti-he-magnetic-switches?_pos=1&_sid=057cad13e&_ss=r

[ruby hill]

[daring herald]

any good eu resellers?

[sacred elm]

how much is shipping for you on unikey

should be fine

[cyan lark]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[gaunt plume]

Not Linear

All Tactile

[snow yarrow]

What happened in the last 48h that made you guys change your opinion on the gt60 pro from "literal e-waste" to "bateron gt60"

Surely it wasnt just bc of a single boardzy clip right

[thorn zealot]

Hmx so funny doing akko collab

To make pc pom nylon

When’s their actual he switch comin

[glacial wind]

that is their switch

[sweet oak]

BOARDZY DOESNT KNOW KEYBOARDS?!?!?!??? (shocking)

[glacial wind]

boardzy is always an interesting channel because he got big by basically saying whatever he feels about every product

[tropic urchin]

Good morning joshiba san

[glacial wind]

There’s never any actual objective testing or basis behind half the things he says besides how he feels, but it’s his brand and how he got there

[fallen pecan]

i like that the reason why he likes the gt60 is because it came with stabs preinstalled

[sweet oak]

i just find boardzys videos very unserious so i can never take the takes with any kind of meaningful takeaway

ill stick to more data and analytical reviews always

[ionic breach]

i mean boardzy does feel like he is just sharing his thoughts and nothing more

[glacial wind]

Yeah it’s his thing, he’s like the forsen of reviewers

[sweet oak]

yeah its very much his style

[glacial wind]

If you go to boardzy for top tier information and reviews you’re going there for the wrong thing. I think he got popular because he’s just a chill guy who made peripheral opinion videos at the right time and it hit with a specific demographic

folks just watch him to see random opinions and not really for expert takes

[sweet oak]

his video title styling is funny though i will give him that

[glacial wind]

I fully expect on any given day boardzy will say he prefers Logitech thumb ball mice because it just hits different

[sacred elm]

he said "something about it, input is more fluid", hes the biggest placebo maxxer ever

when he was comparing venom and gt60

[sweet oak]

true

love ya boardzy, never change

[glacial wind]

He does have one skill though - he’s very good at ironic shorts

Like the short he did using glass skates on glass pad is s tier rage baiting

[sacred elm]

he has fluxes in his benom tho

[sweet oak]

mj would be proud

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

Surely he’d be consistent to say flux suck due to price range and who cares about extra stability, followed by some sarcastic messages implying how duhuks are so much cheaper so no one should buy flux

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

there’s no chance his opinion might change on stability just because a certain group of individuals now approve of paying more for stability right?

[fluid ravine]

Ain't wrong abt the price doe

[daring herald]

talked myself into adding keycaps for free shipping haha

[sacred elm]

🔥

[cyan lark]

It's like they're paying you to buy the caps 🙂

[glacial wind]

i do find it funny how we were talking about how wuque give out their pullers free all the time and now everyone who ordered flux has one too

[steel ibex]

“Less mouse for more money”

[chilly mural]

Nice to see gateron winning on something at least

[thorn zealot]

💀

[glacial wind]

It’s a great switch puller. I alternate mine because I have a few from the Wuque freebies lol

[stray tiger]

Ive decided at the next keycon Im going to do 2 different blind tests. The first is seeing how many people consistently and accurately guess which of the 4 boards are MX and which are HE. Then Im going to have them use 2 HE boards with multiple different switches and see if they can consistently tell me which switch has the least amount of measured variance/flux

Anyone want to bet on the outcome?

[fluid ravine]

Ooo

Gonna finish writing a paper rq I'll come back to give my bets

[cyan lark]

The latter is gonna be purely random.

[marsh saffron]

Nobody will notice a single difference in HE switch variance

[stray tiger]

While thats happening I'll be playing music on some speakers, one hooked up using a coat hanger and one using $500 copper cables and Ill see if they can tell me which one sounds better

[cyan lark]

Uh, you mean gold cables right

[little glen]

i would love to see you do a side by side of venom and wooting and make people guess which one is which based on their movement in game

[marsh saffron]

I think experienced keyboard nerds can spot HE vs MX in blind test, but flux/variance nobody will get

[snow yarrow]

Id say boardzy is the ltt of mice reviews lmao

[sacred elm]

no

[marsh saffron]

Yes this too, 60he vs venom 60he

No

[cyan lark]

Another suggestion is side by side of two boards, one at 1khz polling/scanning, the other at 8khz. I think that that, too, would be random guesses.

[fluid ravine]

I bet if both have the same build but different pcb, I could tell which is different

Without the tech shit

I have a good feeling I could differentiate them by sound

[stray tiger]

As an experienced keyboard nerd, I do not think it will be as easy as you might think.

[marsh saffron]

Really?

Is HE getting thst much closer to mx now?

[sacred elm]

While you can notice slight difference between for example jade pros and ttc poms, you cant notice anything when comparing 1k and 8k lol. with poms you might have misinputs with 0.1rt on wooting, because it lowers the deadzone

[stray tiger]

Depends on the switch and keycap manufacvturer but in 90% of cases, no.

[stray tiger]

REALLY close

[marsh saffron]

Dang

[glacial wind]

I think second test will be impossible too since flux only affects the tiniest small segment of usage

For like 99% of people they’ll probably never run into scenario where it’s noticable

[stray tiger]

Yes BUT if you tell people one is worse and one is better, they will perceive that to be true and their bias will make them believe it. The surprise at the end will be that they are the same switches and there is no difference lol

[ionic breach]

i actually think there will be 30-40% mistaken on the switches

depending on the mx build

[glacial wind]

yeah that i believe. people believe the weirdest things when it comes to what they want to believe

I used to have people message me saying thanks for the gear guide in wow because they used one piece of gear that was a 10 damage increase on average vs another item. I just say no problem, but don’t mention that there’s no way they felt a 10 damage increase when your damage swings in the hundreds in any given day lol

[cyan lark]

-50ms latency 😉

[stray tiger]

If I show you a chart and tell you that one switch measures at .01 and the other at .001 and tell you which switch is which. People will most likely believe they can tell when using that switch. If you then reveal that you were wrong and had the switches backwards, they will not realize that what they perceived to noticed wasnt true.

[polar girder]

Yeah 1k vs 8k gotta do it lol nice and keyboards

See how far the placebo rabbit hole goes

[stray tiger]

The only thing they will notice is if they use Wooting vs any other HE and then they will realize just how surperior the Wooting is. Dont believe me? Just ask Bigs!

[polar girder]

Lolz

Venom USB port cooked

Too sensitive or something

[stray tiger]

Really? The daughterboard?

[polar girder]

No reason to disconnect from soft plate

No DB

Just reg left side usb port