🔧│keyboard_modding

[harsh dove]

Stock stabilizers are fine honestly as long as you take the time to lube and tune them

[cyan lark]

$0.71 per pro from gateron in the US atm

[karmic sapphire]

thats just sweden being sweden with 25% sales tax I guess 😄

[tropic urchin]

crikey

[tough wave]

thanks! Also while searching around I read something about stock pads being included with the stock stabilizers. Mine might have that. Is that something I want to remove? Also is that sandwiched between the pcb and the stabs?

[cyan lark]

On sale I think they used to be more like $0.60/each

[tropic urchin]

they can get sticky with lube from default stabs (key press will feel sticky/weird and will sound sticky when you press down on stab keys). You can remove them (what I did) or wipe them off as someone else had said they did.

up to you if you wanna remove them or not

can always wipe them off if you dont wanna remove them outright

[fallen pecan]

@gaunt plume https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=902200164742 durock switch

[tough wave]

crap maybe thats what ive been feeling this whole time and just never bothered with, simply because I never modified it. Ill have to take a look!

[harsh dove]

Yeah you don’t have to remove them, but I personally did

Depends if you like em or not

[cyan lark]

I didn't want to chance having that ill effect of keys sticking return, so I just pulled them all.

[cyan lark]

Not worth it to me for whatever sound/feel affect they might have.

[harsh dove]

Durock copying TTC?

[tropic urchin]

I noticed it alot on my right enter key

it was driving me up a wall until i removed them all

[fallen pecan]

the black one is free for every purchase of 50 switches

[harsh dove]

Hmm

[fallen pecan]

they say it's for the spacebar, but didn't mention any weight differences

ah wait

[harsh dove]

Interesting

[fallen pecan]

black one is 50g/63.5g

[harsh dove]

Oh ok

[fallen pecan]

white is 35g/48g

[harsh dove]

So just heavier

Yeah

[fallen pecan]

yep

[polar girder]

Yeah they’re great

[tough wave]

Swagkeys Knight V3 Stabilizers should be good out of the box right? as in it shouldn't need wire rebalancing? minus probably a little of lube

[harsh dove]

Yeah should be good, I just installed some yesterday with no issues and light coating of lube

[tough wave]

figured id say screw it, never tried premium options of stabs. I remember i wanted to try it when i had the original 60he, but it didnt support screw ins 😦 (if i remember correctly)

[harsh dove]

I feel it, yeah tbf most stabs sound the same or very similar once lubed and tuned properly

Some are just easier to deal with than others sometimes lol

[tough wave]

yeah im not that great with the amount of finework so i figured ehh, lets just try this other easier method.

I also saw the standard and long poles stems. But I guess to keep compatibility with other HE switches, its better to just stick to the standard ones since the travel distance matters for other switches?

[harsh dove]

Well tbf most HE switches now are shorter travel but yeah you should be fine with the standard pole ones, I'm using standard poles on mine

Worst case you just buy some geon stem spacers for $3

[tough wave]

yeah i have raws on mine, which seem to be okay for now.

wow theres stems spacers? lol a mod for a mod.

[harsh dove]

Lol yeah, if you get any keycap wobble on your stabs then you can just slap on some stem spacers and it'll fix it

[polar girder]

Yeah I used those on my knight stabs with long pole switches

Improved experience

[errant meadow]

Are tx clip in stabs compatible with the 80he? Seems like my region has shortage on tx screw ins longpoles. I have limited options atm

[harsh dove]

Yeah the 80HE stock plate was made to accommodate thicker stabilizers

Just know that they may not fit some plates if you plate swap

[peak breach]

General opinion on tmr?

[gaunt plume]

Wow. Thank you very much!

[little glen]

so whats the next switch everyone in the chat will buy

[paper bloom]

I alrdy copped jade pros

Thats kinda enough endgame stuff for me

Maybe a new glasspad or a new keeb once i get enough funds O_O

[little glen]

thats not the next

jade pro is old news

[paper bloom]

Fair

[little glen]

i want new product to consume

[paper bloom]

Dukhuks

E Z

[little glen]

i got duhuks

frankenswitched with raws

[paper bloom]

Nice

[harsh dove]

Probably Duhuks or Owlabs Ti HE

for now

[little glen]

[harsh dove]

Esp if you don't care about having the "max stability" or box stem

[little glen]

i guess i gotta wait for some of the new shit to come out

[harsh dove]

They basically the most stable non box stems rn

Competing with Jade Pros

for a cheaper price

[little glen]

wasnt there this announcement people got excited about

of some company working on HE

[harsh dove]

Yeah HMX

that’ll be exciting I think

Cause I know unlike everyone else, they'll actually use different materials

instead of the constant PC POM Nylon we get 99.99% of the time

[polar girder]

Snooze fest

[harsh dove]

Yeah I've been wanting new materials for awhile now

I also just emailed HMX to see if I can test samples for them

Worst they can say is no

[polar girder]

Nice

GL

[harsh dove]

You miss every shot you don't take

[fluid ravine]

We fw HMX

[little glen]

i'd be interested to see how that turns out

[fluid ravine]

Indeed

If it turns out good I'll def force my self to go in debt and pick up some

[high sphinx]

hey guys i got a question so i got a wireless mouse and i insta started using it whitout charging it to full. Is that a problem cause i know from back in the old days it was always reccomended that u charged every device to full and let it totally run out is that still the case or nah ?

maybe dumb question but i was wondering

[thorn zealot]

no not an issue anymore

[high sphinx]

alright ty very much

[little glen]

You also shouldnt do that in general

Filling up a battery completely and then draining it all is actually rlly bad for the battery

So if you want to conserve battery life as long as possible, charge to like 80% and plug in at around 20% is what people usually say

[rare kraken]

LETS GOOO

my keyboard case and weight bar came in

@fluid ravine uh when I put the wooting foam in the redux I have to like squish the keyboard in idk

Do I use the foam that came with the redux

[kind helm]

"i am a drunken homeless 40 yo please send me your switches"

[rare kraken]

Yo can you help my I found some screws and idk what it’s for

[kind helm]

no wait for frog boy i am lazy

[rare kraken]

Cmon pls

[polar girder]

You can’t use the Wooting foam in redux

[rare kraken]

Won’t it sound bad tho

[polar girder]

Sound bad is preference

If you want to use Wooting foam then you have to take the second half width layer off

[rare kraken]

What’s the screw for

Alr

[polar girder]

To screw in to the case and provide stand off for PCB

[rare kraken]

Do I put it on

?

[polar girder]

They usuallly come with extra tho

Idk is your PCB screwed in in all spots?

[rare kraken]

Huh

[polar girder]

You’re looking at screws connecting plate to PCB

I’m talking PCB to case

The gold screw can be screwed in to the redux

[rare kraken]

But where

[polar girder]

A hole in the case

Like what

[polar girder]

There are a bunch of standoffs on the redux. If you need to add one, that’s what the screw is for

[polar girder]

Does it fit?

[rare kraken]

The screw goes in

[polar girder]

Gotta kind of just test stuff yourself bro. I don’t have the screw and case in hand

Now is there a hole in the PCB that lines up with that ?

[rare kraken]

Lemma see

Yes

[polar girder]

Alright yeah there you go

[polar girder]

Nice yeah. So it’s not necessary but you can use it if you want

[harsh dove]

Lowkey realizing barely anybody be making sound test for all these new switches on youtube

ima boutta be da 1

[polar girder]

Some people prefer security/stability of that extra stand off. Some people prefer flex or not using that stand off.

[rare kraken]

But what’s the reason for putting the screw in is it so the pcb ain’t touching foam

[polar girder]

The keyboard will work either way.

[polar girder]

Just what I said here

Little bit of flex (no stand off) versus little bit of rigidity (stand off)

[rare kraken]

Will it make my keyboard more quiet

[polar girder]

No

You can test it

Just screw it down and slap some keys and record with phone. Then unscrew the stand off and slap some keys and record with phone

[rare kraken]

Like this

[polar girder]

Try to remember diff but also listen on phone to see if you care for the difreeence

[kind helm]

me in the comment section "why wooting 80he with the silicone pad that modify the sound"

[little glen]

Cam boutta start the biggest HE switch sound repository

[kind helm]

wait yo

LMAO

[harsh dove]

Damn he's offline

Im Offlife

[kind helm]

oh rightright

[harsh dove]

I won't be making minecraft vids sorry

[little glen]

I was getting excited

[kind helm]

bro's discord links a different acc smh my head

[harsh dove]

oh wtf

swore it was working before

[rare kraken]

Bro the screw is too short

[kind helm]

whos this

[harsh dove]

no idea

[rare kraken]

I found out what the gold thing is for some of the screws can’t go in that deep so the gold thing is so it can screw in

[thorn zealot]

wow

[harsh dove]

Think I fixed it now

that was some secondary account I guess

[thorn zealot]

u found out what a standoff does

[rare kraken]

Oh

I felt smart until you said smth bro

[harsh dove]

Thanks for checking btw lol

or pointing it out

[rare kraken]

bro you can barley hear the keyboard

[polar girder]

lol

[crimson sky]

that's a healthy snack

[tulip rapids]

y'all get recommended keycap sites?

i need to upgrade my kb game

[kind helm]

keykobo

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-handshake-deal-agree-gif-7134721403924803840

[tulip rapids]

@stray tiger im sorry for tagging you but i also seek your advice on this matter

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-take-a-knee-got-kit-harington-bow-down-gif-9470652

[stray tiger]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[tulip rapids]

i am forever in debt to this chat

i will name my first born after this server

[fluid ravine]

Heh

[tulip rapids]

mb auto correct

[stray tiger]

Just name your second born Thock and I'll be happy

[little glen]

firstborn named clack?

[fluid ravine]

Thock-son

Name em after me frfr

[stray tiger]

The new Taishan switches are getting mixed reviews. Seems people like the tolerances but not the sound

[harsh dove]

The Mount Tai HEs?

Yeah I got some from Imoshi but not expecting much from them tbh

[uneven oyster]

yo guys i thought i will make a post here and ask if someone knows good looking keycaps for a german layout wooting 80he keyboard. yesterday i ordered mine and now im looking for keycaps but i cant find any good looking once for a german layout.

[harsh dove]

They were like $36 for 90

[kind helm]

supposed to be good in terms of stability

[stray tiger]

Yeah just catching up on reviews and seems like a pass

[fluid ravine]

oh lawd

[stray tiger]

Let me get a better link

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1164580298642263

[terse igloo]

Hello guys, i have ordered a prebuilt wooting80 he, what are the mods do you guys recommend other than tape mod, would love to get stabilizers and foam i dont know which one to get, and i live in ireland, can anyone please help me, cause i dont know which ones to get

[harsh dove]

Yeah I would pass on em

[sacred elm]

yea you cant even open them to lube

[fluid ravine]

dafuq?

[sacred elm]

and they have worse stability than poms

[fluid ravine]

[stray tiger]

I don't recommend any mods honestly. Your board may be amazing the way it comes

[sacred elm]

yea its one thing, cant open them

lol

[harsh dove]

The prebuilt comes with all that installed for you

Tape mod, stabilizers, foam etc

[sacred elm]

If you want different sound profile, try other switches

[fluid ravine]

yeah the only things i would worry about is just buy other parts to customize your board a bit

mods are basically only needed if you want to fix something

and sometimes to adjust the board to your preference

[harsh dove]

Best boards are the ones with minimal modding

Less is more

[fluid ravine]

otherwise you should just try the board stock and see how you like it

[fluid ravine]

my froggy

[terse igloo]

Aww man you guys are so helpful <3, this is my first "expensive keyboard", I am planning to upgrade to the white zinc alloy but couldnt control myself from waiting so ordered the prebuilt one

[stray tiger]

I started putting together a spreadsheet this morning of my keycaps so that I know what I actually have. Had so much stuff in drawers and forgotten about

[sacred elm]

you can swap the case anytime in future to wootings zinc or aftermarket kbdfans gt80

[harsh dove]

Poor forgotten keycaps

[fluid ravine]

should pass em down yknow yknow ;)

heh

[stray tiger]

Prebuilt is still awesome

[harsh dove]

All pristine and beautiful yet so lonely and forgotten

[fluid ravine]

For being your first "expensive keyboard" you should be satisfied right on the spot

[stray tiger]

I roughly 3/4 of the way done and I think I'm up to 30 GMK sets already

[harsh dove]

Damn I'm at 12

[fluid ravine]

called me broke in 8391039021809 languages

i've only ever owned 2

[terse igloo]

yeah will be getting the TTC KOM ones when the zinc case comes to market, never knew keyboards where this expensive and this customizable

[fluid ravine]

nice, now that's a plan

[little glen]

depends on what your budget is

[sacred elm]

have you checked out gt80 case

[tulip rapids]

@sweet oak

[tulip rapids]

i will.

[sweet oak]

Not a one piece fan personally

[tulip rapids]

i just thought the keycap was nice

they have chopper as well

[sweet oak]

Yeah its ight

[little glen]

if you want to find german layout keycaps you will probably have to pay extra but if you're ok with that take a look at candykeys and oblotzky industries. They sometimes stock keycaps with international/norde kits as well. Another vendor you could look at is monacokeys.

[sweet oak]

Hate swipe typing sometimes

[tulip rapids]

im not a huge fan of one piece but i think its alright

personally hate gear 5

[sweet oak]

I like the memes

[fluid ravine]

me trying to get into anime a bit more

[little glen]

i like op but i havent watched in like a decade

dont have the time

but from what i can see i like gear 5

cool subversion of the typical epic final transformation of anime mc

[chilly mural]

1 that you really like is enough

[stray tiger]

This is where we are at so far

[terse igloo]

i did its another 185 dollars for the case, and 80 for TTC switches, and keycaps, me broke right now thought i will upgrade next month when the zinc case comes out cause that was just 100

[fluid ravine]

welllll i like both

: (

[little glen]

i love my gt80

never going back

[fluid ravine]

botanical was a huge hit though

dont regret

at all

[chilly mural]

very noice

[fluid ravine]

one of the best choice

i ever made

[polar girder]

Starting a GMK Library?

[stray tiger]

haha nah just going through everything and figuring out what I have, the condition it's in and the most important part is what are the colors so that I can quickly know what to grab when I build a board

[harsh dove]

Ooo Deepwell is a set I really want tbh

[stray tiger]

One of my fav sets. Fits so good on the board I have it on

[fluid ravine]

so many new sealed

[stray tiger]

You never know when the right board comes along!

[fluid ravine]

you right you right

i need another cream/beige gmk set

[harsh dove]

Yeah I was gonna buy that set when I was newer to the hobby and ended up getting GMK Sumi instead as one of my first GMK sets but I really want Deepwell tbh

[stray tiger]

@harsh dove the rama for deepwell matches this case color perfectly

[harsh dove]

I'll take all of em lol but realistically I'd want Boneyard, Redline, Deepwell, and those Key Machine sets tbh just cause they're unique

[harsh dove]

Mmh so good

[harsh dove]

and Norse

[fluid ravine]

want myself leh gmk classic beige, redline, dracula, olivia, and dual shot

[stray tiger]

Yeah Nord didnt turn out like I thought it would and the worst part is that I paid for it twice because I got scammed when I pre-ordered when the original vendor closed their doors

[harsh dove]

Damn that sucks

[harsh dove]

Yeah clasiic beige is nice

[harsh dove]

holy

[fluid ravine]

forgot abt tha oliva as well

[ripe karma]

Trüffelschwein 🤣 😂

truffle pig

[fluid ravine]

i love olivia

[harsh dove]

That's like not even the same keycap set

that's crazy

[fluid ravine]

indeed

:>

[stray tiger]

Its not as bad as that pic, here is the real diference

[fluid ravine]

oh and blacksnail

forgot abt that one as well

[stray tiger]

But yes, not close

[harsh dove]

Ah okay yeah that pic is a bit better but yeah stark difference lol

[fluid ravine]

How de hek

[polar girder]

Good to catalog a collection for sure

[stray tiger]

My favorite sets are the ones you can't get anymore that had awesome color combos. I havent even added this set to the list yet GMK Merlin

[glossy pagoda]

Is that the list of what you've got on hand Thockfather?

[stray tiger]

Yes going through all of my stuff and finally organizing it

[tropic urchin]

Merlin 😳🫦

[glossy pagoda]

Niice

[harsh dove]

I also appreciate sets you can't get anymore

[stray tiger]

Oh I have a set you will like then. Stand by

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/xwing-spider-greensquadron-gif-21671959

[harsh dove]

Is that Deepspace?

[little glen]

that is pretty

i'm a sucker for purple and purple adjacent colors

[harsh dove]

Feel like we don't see colors combos like this anymore

That'd probably go crazy on my Silver GT-80

[little glen]

i feel like it would go hard on my gray gt-80

[stray tiger]

I sold a few kits last year when I was running out space and one the one I regret the most was GMK Hyperfuse.

[little glen]

but maybe the caps would disappear cause of the similar colors

[harsh dove]

Ah yeah Hyperfuse is nice, Im surprised you sold that

[marsh saffron]

Is that xray i see 👀

[stray tiger]

Yeah trying it out. Its growing on me

[marsh saffron]

I'm in love with mine

So happy I bought em over bow

Love them with rgb

[stray tiger]

Yeah they might look better with some RGB, but that board doesnt have it. The good thing about acrylic boards though is that they can go with anything.

[marsh saffron]

Yeah acrylic and xray goes so well together

[harsh dove]

How long have you had yours? Do they have any cracks in the top side of the keycaps? Just curious cause people said KBDfans previous sets like this used to crack sometimes

Mine don't but I also didn't use them for a long time

[marsh saffron]

I've had them for a few months now, had 0 cracks or keycaps stuck to tray. Mines batch 1.5 so maybe better qc

[harsh dove]

Yeah I had like 2-3 keycaps kinda stick to the tray and had paint stuck in the stems that I had to remove

but I was first batch

Good to know no cracks tho

[stray tiger]

Where do they crack at? The paint cracking?

[marsh saffron]

yeah thankfully i didnt have to deal with this

i will say, they grip onto the stems like a motherfucker

they are gonna be hard to get off when i swap to raws

[harsh dove]

On the top side like where the injection mold marks would be

basically the side of the keycaps you never see

[stray tiger]

Was it the paint or the plastic?

[harsh dove]

The plastic

lemme see if I can find some photos

Apparently these type of sets have 2 year warranties from KBD tho and they'll replace for you if so

[stray tiger]

Oh interesting. I dont see anything like that on mine, but maybe I let them rest in the boxes for long enough.

[tropic urchin]

Purple 👀😳

[harsh dove]

Yeah mine were fine too but apparently it can happen over time and I didn't use mine very long so was curious to see if someone who used them longer had them crack, that's why I asked night

[sacred elm]

lol

[tawdry tree]

@kind helm https://youtu.be/ESdu3D9R2xs&t=12m30s (a lil explanation and then the test results, you can skip ahead a little bit if you wanna see just the test results) 0.040mm is about the same as the other guy’s test

I think

yeah it is.

[quiet ginkgo]

inductive?!

never heard of that

can you make tactile HE compatible switches if you just wanna switch off the whole custom actuation point feature and all the other cool features wooting has?

i like tactile more but i bought this kb for gaming (osu) and now i dont play it and probably never will for more than a few days again

[tawdry tree]

shit for now

[sacred elm]

then just buy normal mechanical keyboard if you dont care about any of the features

[quiet ginkgo]

im poor i cant afford that lol, i bought this when i had a job

i can afford switches and keycaps now

[tawdry tree]

You can, yeah. The few tactile switches there are, are pretty bad though.

[quiet ginkgo]

but not a whoel keyboard

[polar girder]

There’s no tactile HE yet, to answer your question.

The closest is Raeds

[tawdry tree]

No good*

Outemus

are that

[polar girder]

Oh

[tawdry tree]

cheap and pretty shit

but yeah

[harsh dove]

Yeah I don’t even recommend them

So I just say there are no tactile he lol

[quiet ginkgo]

damn i guess ill wait for a good job to get the dream keyboard and just switch my keycaps and case color to that when the time comes

im FINE with linear i just like tactile more

[kind helm]

this guy is not really good imo but let me take a look

ty sir :3

[tawdry tree]

yeah, I would’ve said take it with a salt mine but since the results match, maybe it’s accurate.

TMR for multi layout support has so fucking much potential I can’t

like mech’s multi layout support wouldn’t even come close

[kind helm]

i remember earlier this year i think maybe around mid jan

there was a keeb with hybird support already

but that one was not mass produced i think

this thing

[tawdry tree]

Never seen this one

layout looks interesting

it’s cute

[kind helm]

i hate that he used wooting to represent he boards

[tawdry tree]

I think Glorious had a MX compatible one as well at some point

[kind helm]

let he boards cook. i need more he switches. bro sabotaging it

[tawdry tree]

I’m honestly lost on the limits of HE. There are so many more accurate HE boards so idfk anymore

Is TMR actually “better” or just different

[kind helm]

havent looked into tmr to be honest

also i dont know about this

possibly powerful enough to run cheat

[chilly mural]

man

at this point they're going to put cheat into keyboard

[tawdry tree]

[tawdry tree]

there’s already a board with deepseek built in iirc

[kind helm]

i just started switching to deepseek recently. havent gave it any difficult task but for the simpler ones i threw at it, it seems to be better than chatgpt

maybe its time for me to stop paying for chatgpt

soon

[harsh dove]

Damn bro 7 really 8 9

[sweet oak]

So the rumors were true

[snow yarrow]

Does the switch plate have to sit perfectly for he boards? I feel like the screw in stabs are a bit in the way, making it slightly flex

[turbid karma]

So I was trying so different gummy o-rings in the optimum case and my board got stuck inside. I ended up having to pry it out, which damaged the coat in a very noticeable spot. I didn't use the case for months as a result. Today I finally decided to sand it down and refinish it. I finished sanding and decided to just leave it looking all beat up, since I'm not sure I want to finish it with the same gray color.

...so anyways, anyone ever considering fucking up their optimum case, here are the results... Which I much prefer to the scratched version.

[cyan lark]

It should fit without bowing, yeah

[sacred elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY1VfuKVVQQ

shee

not 40mins

[tropic urchin]

wtf is crip sound

[sacred elm]

CRIP

LMAO

I just so that

[kind helm]

cherry inductive switch

oh no

[tropic urchin]

We crip walkin type shiii???

[sacred elm]

crip sound is new

[kind helm]

where my cherry hall effect switch at

[sacred elm]

ok

[tropic urchin]

Crip walkin in dis bitch ig 🤣😭😭

[kind helm]

HG black HE

[sacred elm]

Dude

his plate tolerances suck

look at 11:13

😭

switch is dancing on the plate

[ruby elk]

Yo, I'm getting a bunch of he switches this coming couple of weeks, does anyone know where this switch came from? It's called the black jade magnetic, it's from gateron

[harsh dove]

wtf is crip sound?

[sacred elm]

Somebody tell him to swap the plate man 😭

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-gif-25326816

This all that comes to mind

Guess the Owlabs Ti HE sound like Snoop Dogg

[sacred elm]

Look how much switch moves on the plate lmao

[harsh dove]

We achieved a new meta

[harsh dove]

Yeah it came with the Oasis75 last year, they're nothing special just Jade Recolors with a dual stage spring that's not all that great imo

[ruby elk]

Hmm well, gonna be trying them out, hopefully I don't have to lube them

[high sphinx]

is that beast x ? Cause i have beast x pro and my srolwheel is other textured

[sacred elm]

its an outdated switch

try other switches instead

[ruby elk]

Outdated but not necessarily bad

[sacred elm]

its beastx mini

not pro

[harsh dove]

$9 per 10 is crazy ngl

[sacred elm]

Bad

[high sphinx]

oh i see it seems to have an aluminium srolwheel

can i change mine in the beast x pro to like an aluminium one ?

[marsh saffron]

og beastx mini

[marsh saffron]

no its plastic

[high sphinx]

yeah shf said it was beast x mini

[thorn zealot]

pls dont

[sacred elm]

Yes, previous beastx had no rubberized scrollwheel

[uneven cradle]

If they're like og jades they will benefit a lot from lubing

[marsh saffron]

if you find one of the correct size on aliexpress or something yeah

[harsh dove]

Feel free to try them but you can get similar or "better" switches for cheaper, they're basically just these

[ruby elk]

Don't what?

[harsh dove]

in a different color

[thorn zealot]

dont get black jadeas

[harsh dove]

and a different spring

[ruby elk]

Already did

[sacred elm]

why

[thorn zealot]

💀

[sacred elm]

😂

[thorn zealot]

can u cancel

they sound and feel like shit

[high sphinx]

cause i had an alu one on my logitech g502 or some metal srolwheel idk if its alu but i like it a bit more than rubber so i was wondering if i could change it also lets say the scrolwheel gets fucked of use just wanted to know if i could just put another one in

[thorn zealot]

ik cuz im using them on my old wooting rn

[harsh dove]

It's not that they're terrible just dated now and overpriced compared to other options

[sacred elm]

You can but the scrollwheel is very good on beastx pro, just get used to the rubber

[marsh saffron]

just need to find a similar/same size one on aliexpress and its easy to change

[sacred elm]

Honestly its the best scrollwheel ive used

[thorn zealot]

mine sounds like cherry mx browns

dry

[sacred elm]

Its the smoothest scroll wheel ive ever used lol

[high sphinx]

i dont know when i scroll really slow it feels a little bit sratchy

[harsh dove]

Yeah I mean like I said, he's free to try them out but I'd just get regular Jades , they're 10x cheaper

charging $9x10 for those is crazy to me

[thorn zealot]

yeah but to me they are a waste of money now

[sacred elm]

You sure you feel scratch or the defined steps?

[high sphinx]

its mostly when slowly srolling up tho but it feels like scratch idk its difficult to describe

[sacred elm]

It will get smoother after some time of use

[high sphinx]

yeah i was also thinking that

[sacred elm]

If its really scratchy, you can lube it

Mine is pretty smooth

[high sphinx]

i will wait a few weeks and see if it stays it is not super noticable tho

like when i am fast scrolling up i dont notice it but when i am slowly going form one step to another i notice it a bit but not on every step if that makes sense

but its also good to know i can change the scrolwheel

[ruby elk]

If they're dual rail, it won't matter, plus it should make them sound better. From what I can tell they sound pretty okay

[thorn zealot]

wym size

[ruby elk]

It

[thorn zealot]

there are several options now that are cheaper and better than those

[harsh dove]

20 mins still kinda crazy

[ruby elk]

Dual rails

[thorn zealot]

the wobble on them are worse than the modern options now

[sacred elm]

No need to swap the scroll wheel. As I said, if it really bothers you in future, just lube it

[ruby elk]

It's ight I ordered a bunch of different stuff, so they won't be the only ones

[harsh dove]

Black Jades are not dual rail

[high sphinx]

yeah but i will wait a little and see if it gets smoother and just use krytox 205 ?

[tawdry tree]

cherry has something against magnets, I’m telling you 😭

[ruby elk]

Damn, unfortunate

[ruby elk]

Ong

[sacred elm]

yes

[harsh dove]

Yeah like I said they are just Gateron Jade (NOT Pro) recolors

[high sphinx]

alrighty ty

[high sphinx]

i will see if i can get a syringe with some kytox 205

[sacred elm]

cream man really wants a black switch i can tell

[harsh dove]

well they're dark green not black so

[ruby elk]

Well I kinda like the regular jades anyways, good to have a different set

[thorn zealot]

then just stick to the og jades

[sacred elm]

you dont need syringe, you need to disassemble the mouse and lube the scrollwheel, I dont know exactly how, you can ask in their discord

[uneven cradle]

Also dual rail doesn't really benefit anything just makes your switch more prone to being scratchy

[ruby elk]

I kinda sold them 😅😅😅 buddy really like my mad60 build I made for him (he ordered it not me I just built it)

[tawdry tree]

That’s a pro brother

dual rails = just marketing

• increases friction

[harsh dove]

Yeah that's fair Jades were very popular last year, now they have whole new line up of Jades from Gateron like Jade Pros, Jade Rubies, Jade Max Gaming, Jade Green Dragons, etc

[tawdry tree]

😃👍

[high sphinx]

ok ty

[ruby elk]

Not from my experience, my Fuji dual rails are pretty good and sound great (I bought a polar65)

[sacred elm]

So you sold jades and getting another set of jades for 9$/10pc?

[thorn zealot]

???

[harsh dove]

I actually found the listing they are same price as jades basically

idk why they list 10 for $9 tho

[tawdry tree]

It makes sense why you got a bunch of switches to try out. Your opinion will change when you do. 😅

[ruby elk]

Kinda crazy, but the bundle for 70 is $37

[harsh dove]

Yeah I saw that

so similar price to og jades

[ruby elk]

Yeah, not too bad, plus they look nice so I'll probably just have em sitting on my shelf

[harsh dove]

Thats what mine do

[ruby elk]

Haha

[sacred elm]

Just saying

[ruby elk]

Wth are these? Are they like skylines from everglide?

[thorn zealot]

better than skylines

[harsh dove]

They are like Upgraded RAWs from Geon

[thorn zealot]

i mean on par

[harsh dove]

If you ever seen the Geon RAW HE

[sacred elm]

Basically closed bottom raws with less wobble

[ruby elk]

Skylines are pretty nice when hand lubed, I have a hand lubed set, and oml I love them so much

[harsh dove]

RAWs are still very good but these are fully closed bottom and tighter tolerances

[uneven cradle]

They do look pretty edible up there with my egg switches

[thorn zealot]

where are those

why not use those

[ruby elk]

You can get them anywhere

[sacred elm]

egg yolk switches 💪

[ruby elk]

Amazon, Ali express, KBD fans

[thorn zealot]

u said "i have a hand lubed set"

[harsh dove]

Do you have a list of the switches you're trying?

[thorn zealot]

so why not use those instead

[ruby elk]

I use them currently, and I did it myself

[thorn zealot]

then why buy black jades

am i acting like my pfp or am i missing something

[harsh dove]

Nah bro just chill lol

Let the man experience things for himself

even tho you're tryna save him money

[sacred elm]

your pfp is peak

[thorn zealot]

i love patrick star

[sacred elm]

legend

[ruby elk]

I'm trying TTC pom magnetos (wooting ver.), everglide rice puddings, black jades, and I believe that's it

[harsh dove]

this one?

iirc there's an older version of these that suck

these supposed to be better

[ruby elk]

Yup

[thorn zealot]

ur right

[ruby elk]

Oh and geonworks Lucifer switches

[thorn zealot]

after playing soem hollow knight im not in the right mindset

[harsh dove]

Mind you the TTC POMs come very lightly lubed and the rails are dry

[ruby elk]

I'd genuinely rather play overwatch 2 then marvel rivals rn ngl

[harsh dove]

like out of those 3, the POMs will likely be the dryest

[ruby elk]

Bet thanks!

[thorn zealot]

what do those 2 games have anything to do with hollow knight

[ruby elk]

Idk but my mind set is not ready for rivals

Hate that game

[thorn zealot]

oh yeah i get u

[harsh dove]

Oh okay, yeah those aren't bad, they got a bit of wobble to them but if you're not that sensitive to it you may like em

[ruby elk]

Bet! How do they sound??

[harsh dove]

The POMs you ordered will be the most stable in terms of wobble tho

[ruby elk]

Hopefully like my Fuji dual rails

[harsh dove]

I don't have those ones but I think there might be a sound test in here for them

[ruby elk]

Hmmm I'll post it here if I can't find it

Also have any of you guys used the skylines? I didn't like them unlubed but lubed are generally pretty good (especially compared to jades)

[harsh dove]

Good intro tho, he listening to feedback

[sacred elm]

Yeah, he needs to swap the plate now

[harsh dove]

Mikey saw us talking about him

[thorn zealot]

saw us flaming the shit out of his vids

[harsh dove]

Eh took it like a champ

[thorn zealot]

i respect it

[harsh dove]

He said he just tryna learn like the rest of us, ain't nothing wrong with that

[tawdry tree]

Should be slightly less wobble than Skylines and Masters

[tawdry tree]

Same as Everglide (Hejin) “Rice Puddings”

with a slightly better factory lube

[thorn zealot]

yeah i forgot if they had better wobble then skylines/jade pros or not

[harsh dove]

I haven't tried skylines but to me Duhuks and Owlabs Ti HE are slightly tighter than Jade Pros to me

Jerrorr said the same in his vid too

So I'm not alone

[tulip rapids]

@sweet oak another keycap

[magic walrus]

Cute

[ruby elk]

Plan on picking these beauties up

Don't mind my open tabs

[harsh dove]

Noice

looks good

[sweet oak]

I will mind

Close them

[ruby elk]

😭😭😭

[harsh dove]

you mean the stepped capslock key?

[ruby elk]

Nah, my tabs at the top of the web page

[sweet oak]

…

[harsh dove]

Oh lol

53 crazy

[ruby elk]

Hahaha leave me alone

[uneven cradle]

Yeah 53 is crazy 👀

[harsh dove]

do yall even remember whats in some of those tabs

[uneven cradle]

Nope just stacking em up and making new tabs

[harsh dove]

based

[uneven cradle]

I mean I just type in stuff on my home screen and it makes a new tabs

Too much effort to manually close them

[harsh dove]

Ah okay fair enough lol so like each time you search something new it just autocreates a new tab

[uneven cradle]

Yeah pretty much it's just a bunch of Google searches

Fixed

[cyan lark]

Ran out of keyboard mods so I started house modding. Installed a ceiling fan today 😤

[fluid ravine]

Tufff

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-hanging-kill-gif-13667568

[indigo river]

What stabilizers does everyone use?

[harsh dove]

Stock Stabilizers are fine if you lube and tune them but some other popular options are;
Cherry Clip-In Stabilizers
TypePlus x YIKB Stabilizers
Knight Stabilizers (v1, v2, v3)
Mode Stabilizers
Durock Stabilizers
C³ EQUALZ Stabilizers
TX AP (Rev 4) Stabilizers
Gateron V2 Stabilizers
Neo / QK Clip In Stabilizers
Wuque WS Stabs V3 Stabilizers
GSV2 Stabilizers
Staebies V2.1 Stabilizers
QMX Stabilizers

I personally like the Knight Stabilizers

but I've heard the YIKB are nice too

[indigo river]

I was gonna order those but they were sold out everywhere

[harsh dove]

The Knights?

[indigo river]

Ye

[kind helm]

anything works, just need to learn how to tune the wire

[indigo river]

Atleast the long pole version, it doesn’t appear on their website

[fluid ravine]

Alexotos?

[harsh dove]

Honestly you can get standard pole and if you have issues get some geon stem spacers for $3

[harsh dove]

Yeah I just copy pasted his list

[indigo river]

Really? I read that you should get long pole ones for geon raw he due to the travel distance

[harsh dove]

for top stabs 2025

[fluid ravine]

Yurrr

[harsh dove]

Nah it's not that serious

[kind helm]

ngl i thought you manually typed that

LMAO

[harsh dove]

Can just use stem spacers if you need

All my stabs except one are standard pole

[cyan lark]

Cam types fast but not that fast

[fluid ravine]

Let's just say the geon spacers are like a substitution for the long pole stems

[harsh dove]

and haven't had issues

[kind helm]

cause i remember the list on his site has explainations n stuff

[indigo river]

I ordered the TX AP ones but if so then I will cancel!

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[harsh dove]

https://www.alexotos.com/the-best-mechanical-keyboard-stabilizers-in-2025/

TX AP can be good too but be wary of plate compatibility

[kind helm]

ahh he has a table of contents

W organization

[fluid ravine]

I got unlucky with my TX AP's

[harsh dove]

yeah that's what I ctrl + v'd lol

[indigo river]

Then I will go with the Knight V3 then, thanks!

[harsh dove]

[indigo river]

I am sure my Bone80 will sound like shit anyway so not even these are gonna help it

[fluid ravine]

Wut-

[harsh dove]

With that attitude it will

[fluid ravine]

Ye-

[harsh dove]

Can't be thinking like that man

[indigo river]

True

[harsh dove]

It's gonna sound beautiful

and exquisite

[fluid ravine]

I honestly don't see how the case interfere with how the stab will fully sound

Like yeah it can be a slight factor but with that attitude hell yeah it will sound bad

[indigo river]

Where did you see those spacers btw

[harsh dove]

Divinikey

[fluid ravine]

Divinkey

[indigo river]

Oh

[fluid ravine]

If you're in the US

[indigo river]

I am in Japan

[kind helm]

type faster next time hehe

[fluid ravine]

I'm on phone bucko

Omw to getting crawfish

[indigo river]

So I looked at Swagkeys since they ship from Korea

[harsh dove]

yo they taxin on AliEx

[indigo river]

Which theoretically should be the fastest

[fluid ravine]

Yeah swag key or geonworks

[harsh dove]

3x the price

wtf

[kind helm]

excuses excuses

[fluid ravine]

Meh meh meh

[harsh dove]

Swagkeys is good

[indigo river]

Do you see them on Swagkeys? I think I am blind

[harsh dove]

Nah

I don't think they sell the spacers

[indigo river]

f0ck

[fluid ravine]

Check geon works

[harsh dove]

Hows shipping for you from Geonworks?

ye

[fluid ravine]

On shipping

Ye

[harsh dove]

ye ye

[fluid ravine]

Ye ye ye

[kind helm]

i wish i can live in asia

[kind helm]

all the good stuff from asia

[harsh dove]

Usually I get the black ones but they OOS on Geonworks and Divinikey and honestly the white ones will be fine

[indigo river]

Let’s see

[harsh dove]

its only 0.1mm difference

[indigo river]

20 USD for shipping?!!

Eat my gigantic ass

[harsh dove]

Lol

you think $20 is bad

[thorn zealot]

yes sir

[harsh dove]

nah $20 is kinda high tho

[kind helm]

from kr to jp is 20?

[indigo river]

Phish was just waiting for me to lash out

[kind helm]

thats crazy

[indigo river]

And here he comes, tongue out

[indigo river]

Yeah

[kind helm]

check ali then

cn to jp hella close

[kind helm]

nvm 9 dolla

tf is goin on

[harsh dove]

sadly

[fluid ravine]

Cheaper than CAMs tho 😭

His is like $60

[thorn zealot]

im comin in hot and raw

[fluid ravine]

Mines $25

[fluid ravine]

Yo-

[kind helm]

but 40 yo man lives in the mountains

[harsh dove]

It's cause Geon hand delivers mine for me

[indigo river]

Divinikey is 50 usd shipping

Big yikes

[harsh dove]

It's $56 on a good day

[kind helm]

mr geon cilmb the mountain with a small package in his backpack and just fight through the bears and snakes to find the cave that drunken homeless man is hiding in

[fluid ravine]

I mean yeah he could just jump and grab it lol

[fluid ravine]

[harsh dove]

That's the lowest I ever seen it

$56

Highest I think I saw was like $64

[fluid ravine]

Lowest I've seen mine was $18

During the geon raw he release era

Highest for me was $32

Well that was for the leggera shipping cost

Otherwise it's $25

[indigo river]

0.5mm is preferable

Or?

Because Ali boys are free shipping so it is the cheapest

[fluid ravine]

Yeah

0.4mm or 0.5mm

[fluid ravine]

Makes senss

[harsh dove]

tbf do that then

[fluid ravine]

Yeah

[harsh dove]

actually worth it

[fluid ravine]

It would be $23 anyways from geon

Yeah

[harsh dove]

Didnt think of AliEx free shipping tbh

W Play

[fluid ravine]

Indeed

Worth the x3

[harsh dove]

[indigo river]

https://swagkeys.com/products/sw-knight-stabilizer standard is fine right?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[fluid ravine]

Yurr

[indigo river]

(I just ordered so please say yes or else I will do a Kermit)

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-hanging-kill-gif-13667568

[indigo river]

Wait! You said yes!

[harsh dove]

and you don't have to use the spacers unless you have keycap wobble on your stabilizers keys like Shift, Enter, Spacebar, etc

[fluid ravine]

Yup

Mines are tight as is but I use em anyways

[indigo river]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-kermit-gif-13606884165066689421

[fluid ravine]

[polar girder]

Yeah cuz it makes them tighter

[indigo river]

I go up again

[fluid ravine]

Type shii

[polar girder]

Just use them

[harsh dove]

I actually ended up using em on my MX built cause the GMK Olivia spacebar was tilting, first time I ever needed em

[fluid ravine]

If it's not toight, then it's not roight

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-member-toight-like-a-tiger-gif-3561878

[harsh dove]

Yeah 99% of the time my keycaps are fine for me

Feel like ima break a stem with how hard I have to press to even get it to remotely tilt

[fluid ravine]

[harsh dove]

but everyones experience is different

[fluid ravine]

[kind helm]

i dont think cam has cap that is below 50 dolla

[indigo river]

Oh nice the Aliexpress one has 32% discount

[harsh dove]

Not unless I got em on sale or for free

[indigo river]

Helllllll yeeeeah

We min maxing

[fluid ravine]

The kitty one that Pops got him a year ago

Heh

I rememba

[kind helm]

wasnt here

[fluid ravine]

Dayum

[indigo river]

I hate that there is a specific way to use coins on Aliexpress, it’s so ratchet

[fluid ravine]

Right..

[kind helm]

i mean i was in the channel but wasnt lookin at the channel at all

[fluid ravine]

Ah

[kind helm]

[harsh dove]

Mark said something about things being too cheap and people won't buy em, that's how I feel about $50 keycaps

[fluid ravine]

See I don't even remember when you joined but you apart of the family now

[kind helm]

no switch options

i am a part of the keyboard modding family but not the wooting family

[fluid ravine]

See CAM was a great addition on my book

[fluid ravine]

Yeah that family

[fluid ravine]

Me when I had gpbt

[kind helm]

both my keykobo set and my gmk set 50 dolla hehe

novelkey is the goat

[fluid ravine]

Oh yeah I remember getting my gmk 80082 for $50 as well

[indigo river]

Ty boys

[fluid ravine]

Omni type happy hour sale

[harsh dove]

Yeah sales are fine lol

[fluid ravine]

Np

@harsh dove status on leggera?

[fluid ravine]

Yeahaha

[harsh dove]

idk how much these cost but they were actually decent ngl

[fluid ravine]

[harsh dove]

I'm still biased towards ABS tho

[fluid ravine]

Same here

[harsh dove]

I have some PBT sets I really like but I always go back to one of my GMK sets lol

[kind helm]

simply clack enjoyer

[harsh dove]

and the KBDfans ABS sets sound slightly different than GMK ABS

Like when yall noticed my Emma set sounded different on stream vs I think it was GMK Redacted ?

[kind helm]

pbtfan abs. but this was mx

[fluid ravine]

Yes 100%

Same here

Xray vs gmk

[harsh dove]

We too deep in the rabbit hole

we notice too much

think its to our detriment

[kind helm]

i notice some stuff but i am okay with things unless its like too out of place

frogson delu delu sometimes imo

[harsh dove]

[cyan lark]

Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind

[fluid ravine]

Wayy too much...

Like it so stupid at times

Like me with duhuks vs raw top housing

Like idc what y'all say but I can still hear a difference between them on the fraken switches

[harsh dove]

Aye sometimes it be like that, ignore what we say, if you notice it then you notice it

I won't argue

[fluid ravine]

Fyi I swapped back and fourth twice between those two damn housings

[kind helm]

assuming you still went with raw top?

do it for the look

[fluid ravine]

Nah duhuk

Cleaner sound

It matches the boards theme as well

So I don't mind

[kind helm]

okay so i pay 40 dolla for just raw stem

all good i am still happy

[fluid ravine]

No no it's your choice

CAM said he doesn't notice a difference

Which tbh I prefer you to take his word over mine

[harsh dove]

or pay the same price and just get Owlabs Ti HE

or chill with what you got

[fluid ravine]

My bitchass is going delulu I feel

[kind helm]

i still think it is possible that the sandwich plate is doing things

to lower the difference

[harsh dove]

wym

oh the mod I did?

[kind helm]

the 80he test you had

[harsh dove]

like with the silicone and foam sandwich pads?

[kind helm]

yea

[harsh dove]

So basically you have a theory that they will sound more different without that?

[kind helm]

because on the video by milky or whatever his name is, raw and ti he sounded saimilar too

idk :3 think it is possible is all

[harsh dove]

I could try it when I get the Leggy

[steel ibex]

ceraleys are like 150 or sum right

[harsh dove]

cause I plan to use no sandwich pads in that

[harsh dove]

Cerakeys?

Yeah somewhere around there

[rare kraken]

Setup with the new case chat

[steel ibex]

one day maybe i will get those (its time for the third mortgage)

[rare kraken]

Keycaps pretty much look white but in the light it’s different

[steel ibex]

looks nice

[indigo river]

Actually my boys and girls

I have a question

[harsh dove]

Looking good bro nice work

arent you happy its clean too now?

[indigo river]

I saw that

[kind helm]

whoever typed that W

[steel ibex]

ngl idk how people deal with dirty setups

i gotta keep my setup really clean at all times 🙏

[indigo river]

Eathan is trying to avoid my gaze

[fluid ravine]

Looking good

[harsh dove]

I feel you

trust

[steel ibex]

ignore the show im not gonna turn off my monitor to take one picture ok

[fluid ravine]

OH GLASS DESK USER?

[steel ibex]

yea my mom bought it for me like 4 years ago

i like it its great

[fluid ravine]

Yessirrdrd

[harsh dove]

wait do you play that close to your monitor?

[steel ibex]

it that considered close?

one sec uh

[fluid ravine]

You and me both brutha

[harsh dove]

To me yeah

you sniffin pixels off the screen

[indigo river]

We strive for the thocc, but we strive for the looksmaxxing too

Do you think this case will go well with these keycaps

[harsh dove]

I know you can feel the heat of the monitor on your eyeballs

[steel ibex]

im 23" away from my monitor

[fluid ravine]

Honestly, ergo wise when gaming like fps
I use like a shoulder to elbow distance away

[steel ibex]

its 1440p 27"

[harsh dove]

oh that's better

looked way closer

[fluid ravine]

Oh yeah

[harsh dove]

I basically do an arms length away

[indigo river]

I am thinking about the black keycaps on the silver case

[fluid ravine]

I adjust to that for my normal tasks

[steel ibex]

mine is like at my wrist uhwhen i extend my arm forward

for tac fps (literally just valorant) its like 18-21"

[fluid ravine]

Yeah that's good enough

[steel ibex]

why are the colors not coloring

[fluid ravine]

Should get monitor arm

[steel ibex]

I would but im so broke rn

[fluid ravine]

Oof

I got one for like $20-30

[steel ibex]

i gotta buy a graduation gift for my brother and a birthday gift for a friend rn so like

i might build my brother a pc and silent board (his huntsman is so loud)

[steel ibex]

also i literally cant clamp it to my desk

so i gotta get a new desk

[fluid ravine]

Oh fr?

Why

[steel ibex]

my mic is connected via c clamp to my windowsill and im not confident in any arm connecting it

[steel ibex]

uh

[steel ibex]

Too thick

[fluid ravine]

Oh shi we basically have the same desk

[steel ibex]

Wait

Ikea?

[fluid ravine]

Nah but they built similar

[steel ibex]

Oh ok lmao

[fluid ravine]

Look at the base and tempered glass

It's literally similar

[steel ibex]

Wall hack sells mic arms?

Or like arms idk

[fluid ravine]

Nah it's a sticker

[dawn stag]

what mods are there you can do to the 80he

[steel ibex]

This part is also too thin I think

[tropic urchin]

most substantial imo are swapping plate/switches/case

[steel ibex]

also lubing switches and tuning stablizers

[dawn stag]

where can you get diff plates

[steel ibex]

wooting sells a PC plate

[tropic urchin]

keyboard funstore on aliexpress got quite a few for 80HE

[tropic urchin]

80HE has PC as default

[steel ibex]

ohhh mb

[tropic urchin]

all g

[fluid ravine]

What am I looking at?

[steel ibex]

bottom of my desk

[fluid ravine]

Ah

[dawn stag]

whats the difference between plate materials

in sound

[fluid ravine]

Mines like that too LOO

[tropic urchin]

My favorites so far are FR4 and silver CF

[fluid ravine]

LOL

Here's a tip

[steel ibex]

how do you do it

i dont understand

i cant even getmy mic arm onto it

its connected to my windowsill

[fluid ravine]

I use a wood block cut into size for the clamp to cover some surface area

[tropic urchin]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[fluid ravine]

I'll show in abit

[steel ibex]

i never took woodwork bro

[tropic urchin]

Think of FR4 as a balanced plate (has an even clack to thock ratio, vs PC is going to be more thock/muted). CF is going to be nearly all clack since its very very stiff similar to steel without the metallic ping

[fluid ravine]

It's a simple cut

I don't either

Got my dad to do it for me

Uhh

LMAO

[tropic urchin]

@dawn stag check out these links

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808193742069.html

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807856398027.html

[steel ibex]

nah i dont got the resources

should i go buy a 4x4 from home depot

[tropic urchin]

first link gives you more plate colors for CF/FR4/POM plates

[steel ibex]

also has anyone tried the supergrips from pulsar