🔧│keyboard_modding

[fluid ravine]

the main star of the show

[marsh saffron]

does that make the top out sound good?

[ionic breach]

less loud

[spice plover]

Can I get an explanation like your talking to a 3 year old pls

[ionic breach]

its a relief cut

[fluid ravine]

it absorb sound from top out

[spice plover]

Ooo nice

[fluid ravine]

yessir

[ionic breach]

ngl

[fluid ravine]

the main problem with HE switches with sound is their top out sound creating a chatter

[ionic breach]

i prefer raws

[thorn zealot]

Btw u think they are quieter or louder than raws

[fluid ravine]

this design allows it to absorb that sound contact

[thorn zealot]

Prolly quieter due to topout

[fluid ravine]

100% louder

[thorn zealot]

Oh

[fluid ravine]

there's fiberglass infused with Nylon in the bottom housing

making a sharper and louder sounding bottom out

reminds me of some MX switches

HMX switches even

debatable but it's there

@spice plover but i wouldnt recommend these switches for you since you got that whole reduced travel switch problem thingy with your fingees

so i'd avoid these for your sake

they're probably worst than raws if you were to play on these

[spice plover]

Waiting for those Mathew silent from aliexpress

Also got silicone keycaps for fun

[fluid ravine]

[mint blaze]

Kinda wondering if Raw 60gs are good

[thorn zealot]

Maybe I get fr4 instead

[mint blaze]

I know 50s are good

[thorn zealot]

So our builds aren’t the exact same

And for a lil quieter

[spice plover]

Honestly like 40s or even lower

Whatever the lowest custom wooting springs I bought were

[fluid ravine]

it's preference

i hav the 60g and i love em

but it's not suited for everybody

[mint blaze]

Nice nice

[fluid ravine]

cus some may say its too heavy

spring weight is really based on preference

like everything else

@thorn zealot

[mint blaze]

I love MX black since 2018 so 60s should be my preference...?

[knotty iron]

I have some, would you like me to try

[mint blaze]

Also lekker 60 works fine for me too

[knotty iron]

Raw HE 50g and 60g

[fluid ravine]

oh then yeah sure

[mint blaze]

Already ordered so thanks :)

[fluid ravine]

60g is da way

[kind helm]

thats hella sharp actually, damn i hope the softer mount i am using for them can tame it a little bit.

[knotty iron]

I tend to like 50-60g springs a lot

[mint blaze]

stellar

[knotty iron]

45 is too light

imo

[fluid ravine]

yeah im basically am not running a softer mount rn

[mint blaze]

45 is okay for me but yea

[fluid ravine]

pcb still makes contact with the case

well kinda

silicone cover

[mint blaze]

Not springy enough

[thorn zealot]

I remember u said u didn’t like fr4 as much

[knotty iron]

glad it works for you

[fluid ravine]

yeah personally

spacebar didnt sound great

[thorn zealot]

But u also said ur mounting was scuffed too

[fluid ravine]

yup

[kind helm]

ahh i thought you doing the polyfill thingy again

[mint blaze]

I love hitting hard when typing

[fluid ravine]

mounting was apart of the factor

[fluid ravine]

i havent been running any foam for a while now

it's been a while

[thorn zealot]

Yeah so I’ll just go with fr4 and send it

[fluid ravine]

like the alphas aint even bad

but the spacebar was definitely not it for me

RAW's vs Duhuk's on Alu if anyone is wondering

[kind helm]

raw on alu

[fluid ravine]

Raw's vs Duhuk's on Fr4

[fluid ravine]

honestly yeah raws do sound nice on alu

it got that nice sound curve to it if that makes sense

raws are lubed btw

the duhuks are still left stock

so there are noticeable like spring chatter

[fluid ravine]

I also think that raws might sound a bit better on alu since it sounds more softer

which is nice imo

[kind helm]

raw + geon pingless + alu plate + salv = sex

[fluid ravine]

for sure

[kind helm]

perfection until geon makes raw better

[fluid ravine]

this gummy mount better do me good with the duhuks

imagine what geon can do

improving raws somehow

[kind helm]

slightly tighter bottom is all i want honestly

from raw

[fluid ravine]

a lil bit tighter of everything for me

i love the soft bottom out sound

i agree abt the tighter bottom

but gotta do smth about the top out for sure

i still have a grudge abt it

[kind helm]

gotta do smth about the top out -> alu plate

[fluid ravine]

lol

[kind helm]

[fluid ravine]

sure

[polar girder]

Yeah this is other combo I’m tempted by

Except - salv + frog

[sour blade]

Dahuk fr4 fire af

[kind helm]

based on what mj said, still amazing.

[polar girder]

Yeah I think raw + pingless on Alu vs TTC POM on PP is something I could do

Try them both on venom and see

[tulip rapids]

which ones you like the most the 50g or 60g?

[knotty iron]

i still havent tried the 60g exactly but I can try them now, but I like 50-60g springs

i did try the 50g ones and those were awesome

[tulip rapids]

hell yeah you get the pingless springs from geon website or a different site?

[knotty iron]

geon

but I just got them stock

and I like em stock

never needed to ever mod or maintain the switch

truly a testament to the switch itself

maybe the 60g a bit more?

either way, a top tier switch

[frigid lodge]

Gateron Jade or TTC KOM?

[stone flax]

neither

theyre both switches which have been superseded

[ionic breach]

yup by the lekker v1s

[knotty iron]

lekker v1s are peak switch

[ionic breach]

joke btw

out of these 2, ttc most likely

[frigid lodge]

by what, the RAWs?

[glacial wind]

If you mean og jades then definitely not that

[frigid lodge]

oh you mean the upgraded jades

that's what I meant

[stone flax]

jade pros and ttc poms

but yeah

they both are bad

[frigid lodge]

yeah, if I got the TTCs, I would get the POM version

[knotty iron]

havent tried either jade pros or woot x ttc rgbs/poms

[frigid lodge]

I dig the sound of POM switches

[knotty iron]

I can 100% vouch tho, Raw HEs are so good

[polar girder]

Duhuk, Raw, TTC POM, or Jade Pro all good options

[stone flax]

its duhuk season

[polar girder]

For this one dude

[glacial wind]

I mean if you like the sound of pom then no reason not to get them really

[polar girder]

[stone flax]

Bad lube job, bad price

[polar girder]

The loudest apostle

[stone flax]

but go off ig

[glacial wind]

The downside to them is mostly that they’re very loud and bit high pitched

[knotty iron]

I'm actually building my friend an AZERTY Black Zinc 80HE with Raw HE 50g switches, tomorrow or day after!

[polar girder]

Price has come down a lot and just lube them yourself

Ez

[glacial wind]

Are you planning to lube yourself?

[stone flax]

yeah but going so far as to say “no reason not to get them” is so funny

[frigid lodge]

I mean

[polar girder]

There isn’t.

I mean if you refuse to lube, that’s a reason ig

[frigid lodge]

As long as it doesn't feel like cherry browns, I'm fine with whatever lube job

[stone flax]

Theyre not tactiles

[polar girder]

TTC Pom are like not lubed

[frigid lodge]

I mean that they feel like crap lol

[stone flax]

Practically dry

[stone flax]

Blame the spring

cherry springs are horrendous

[glacial wind]

They’re not lubed. So if you’re not going to lube I’d generally recommend the jade pro or raw he over it

[stone flax]

forgetting duhuks

[glacial wind]

If you’re happy to lube then they’re great though, so up to you really

[polar girder]

Is duhuk stock lube job good?

[stone flax]

yea, but springs are meh

[frigid lodge]

I'm a psychopath and will bag lube stems, so

[stone flax]

no

why?

[knotty iron]

mj, what switches are you using

[frigid lodge]

smooth

[glacial wind]

That’s an interesting choice.

[stone flax]

uneven coverage of lube

not smooth

:<

[frigid lodge]

smooth

[stone flax]

nope

[frigid lodge]

so smooth like koala brain

[stone flax]

💔

[stone flax]

duhuks are fire

[tulip rapids]

how much was the shipping fee and did you pay for custom fees?

if you dont remember its all good

[knotty iron]

unfortunately I did, but thats why I ordered a whole bunch of other stuff too so I could justify the import fee

[frigid lodge]

what are the duhuk he switches called?

[stone flax]

Duhuk Core HE

[frigid lodge]

thank

do they have a good seller in the US?

[tulip rapids]

i want to buy springs from there that cost $10 but i dont want to pay crazy shipping fees and custom fees just for $10 springs lol

[stone flax]

aliexpress

Not on vendors yet

Geon will carry soon

Maybe divinikey

[frigid lodge]

oh, that's fine. I use ali all the time

[stone flax]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256808349804284.html

[tulip rapids]

is the sound deep with those switches or more clacky?

[stone flax]

higher pitched

[tulip rapids]

i see ty

[frigid lodge]

oh hell, the price is right

thanks, I'll pin this for when I buy them

[stone flax]

sound test btw

By cam

[tulip rapids]

i assume you lubed the switches?

[stone flax]

Cam, and he relubed them

but he said they dont really need it

[tulip rapids]

damn they do sound really good

[stone flax]

Better than poms imo ☠️

[glacial wind]

where was that photo from jabber with the +-

Ah found it nm

[frigid lodge]

Yeah, I'll give those a shot

[glacial wind]

Oh wow +-50 at the top? That’s surprising

[frigid lodge]

I've never heard of duhuk before, but I guess they're up and coming

[stone flax]

Theyre known mostly for mx

[glacial wind]

They’re a new-ish switch being popular because geon imported them

Seem like they’ll be similar to raw he in that they’ll be a good option for stability in non box stem but not quite on level as top box stem for flux

[tulip rapids]

do you have stem wobble on yours? i notice some on my switches. I got mine from kbfans

[glacial wind]

Like an improved raw he you could say, although I do find it weird their top flux is so high

I wonder what causes that

[frigid lodge]

Yeah, I dip in and out of looking at mx switches every few months

I just grabbed a classic TKL from novelkeys

[glacial wind]

Hrm raw he never posted the +- before for top and bottom have they?

I wonder if it’s just a magnet quality difference with the duhuk. That’s such a large top difference

Did they cheap out on the magnet or something, why is it 3x the flux change of everyone else

[thorn zealot]

Is this an issue or just weird observation

[glacial wind]

Just means they suck stability wise at top end

still fine though

stability is combination of wobble and magnet, but I don’t get why the duhuk are stable at top supposedly but so awful with flux change

[quasi hinge]

Did anyone post pics of the results?

Just curious

[glacial wind]

It’s from duhuk themselves

Their specs says +-50 at top

[quasi hinge]

So their flux is mid

[glacial wind]

To give comparison most of the decent switches are +-10 to 15

So that’s not even mid, that’s awful

[quasi hinge]

Ty for the info

[tropic urchin]

@quasi hinge @marsh saffron I’ve barely used my SB max over beastx, what have you done to my precious ergo 😭

[quasi hinge]

So what is the final feeling 👍 or 👎

[tropic urchin]

👍🏼👍🏼

What gets me is their clicks are S tier

By far the best clicks

and magnesium material feels great

[glacial wind]

Oh the switches are quite cheap I see

I guess they probably cheaped out on magnet maybe

[tropic urchin]

I’m curious to see if you will also fall under the alluring spell of WLmouse

[quasi hinge]

There usually is a trade off

[glacial wind]

Wow wait duhuk are 3.3mm and still +-50?

[quasi hinge]

I guess its cheaper for a reason…

[glacial wind]

That is god awful range for a 3.3mm switch

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/notimpressed-bridgetregan-dottieunderwood-agentcarter-marvel-gif-10701595

[quasi hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/magneto-gif-21969252

[glacial wind]

the whole reason shorter switches are more popular is because they’re easier to make more stable

[quasi hinge]

Should* lol

[glacial wind]

So manu can just make it shorter and therefore wobble less, but these are one of the shortest lengths of current switches and still +-50 at top somehow

[silver nest]

any case recomendations for the 60he im looking for somenting that sounds good and is heavy

[quasi hinge]

Duhuk are KOF

King Of Flux

[thorn zealot]

Haven’t heard issues abt it tho

[glacial wind]

It’s not an issue in that switch won’t work

Just means accuracy wise it won’t perform as well. I’m confused why wooting version is so much worse though

[silver nest]

then 461e ain't it ive tried everything and can get it to sound good

[quasi hinge]

For which switch?

[glacial wind]

The duhuk. They have wooting and non wooting version. Actually nah both are +-50

[thorn zealot]

I think I saw someone post some graph or some abt this

[quasi hinge]

Whoa, there is a wooting duhuk now?

Ive been under a rock

[thorn zealot]

Don’t know what any of it means

[thorn zealot]

No they made one for wootings

Not like wooting poms

[glacial wind]

Well it’s not collab, just they made one version that’s supposed to be for wooting keyboards

[quasi hinge]

Ahhhh got it

That magnet material is not cheap

Im guessing that is where they cut cost

Also maybe different grades of magnets? I wouldnt know…

[glacial wind]

I think maybe they picked magnets closed to lekker flux values

But both are within wootings reading range

So who knows why

[quasi hinge]

Cost?

[glacial wind]

They cost basically same

[quasi hinge]

I mean production cost

[glacial wind]

Someone is definitely going to do 3.2mm next

At some point they’ll just be all low profile switches lol

[pure heath]

Anyone can recommend me the best thocky switches for a wooting 80he? Heard the geon raw he switches are good..

[fluid ravine]

when switches dont thock

foam foam foam

[noble mason]

not really, the geon raws are just good in terms of wobble but they’re clacky

[little glen]

You wont find a good thocky HE switch

:(

Embrace the clack

[sacred elm]

duhfuk

[little glen]

Got those coming in the mail

[sacred elm]

3mm travel duhfuks with +-100 magnetic flux🔥 🔥 duhuk on top

[kind helm]

how does the flux variance actually impact performance though? if switches are calibrated individually, the variance shouldn't matter no?

[ionic breach]

thats why firmware matters

but idt ive seen reports or complaints even in cheaper boards

[celest parrot]

I bought 90 full pom switches
I hope they arrive soon so I can join ur cult guys

[tawdry tree]

The flux variance is now, mostly used to show the wobble of switches. I believe Gateron’s first switches showed this as a variance per switch (similar to the variance of its springs), i.e how much each magnet differs from the other rather than the variance of a single switches when wobbled. It’s still tricky and I wouldn’t trust brands/manus to list theirs accurately.

[tawdry tree]

Raedsssss

[kind helm]

interesting, that is kinda fcked, since one parameter can actually mean 2 different things. i can try to take a look at a few of them once i get them, to see whether the variance in terms of wobble is noticeable. i hope it is just a magnet variance since that can be deal automatically through firmware.

gonna be a bit more optimistic since both cam and bald boi has good experience with them.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah it’s not great. I wouldn’t say it’s entirely meaningless though but I wouldn’t base anything on those numbers. There aren’t any standards to how much force manus would use to measure wobble so it’s all just a grey area.

Rather wait for an actual good reviewer’s test than go off those numbers (which more often than not have been entirely wrong)..

[tulip rapids]

wooting or og

[sacred elm]

wootpoms arrived, time to lube them up🫦

[celest parrot]

OG ofc I want the lighter springs

[tulip rapids]

aliexpress?

[celest parrot]

yup

[kind helm]

i havent seen one good reviewer, most of the vid looks like discord chat

[spice plover]

Whoever recommends raeds for 60he should be in jail

[ionic breach]

what happened

[tawdry tree]

There’s a Chinese guy (forgot name..) who actually tests wobble and the fluctuations it causes. Japanese (like Mare on X and Mioni on YT) and Korean (Eyejoker on YT) reviewers for board latency and such.

[tawdry tree]

Raeds don’t have those little things that stick out to make them tighter in the plate.

I’ll recommend that to them as well for the V2

[quasi hinge]

Join the church of ttc pom

[spice plover]

I need pillow soft key presses

These Mathew’s better hit

[quasi hinge]

What are the raeds rated force? lmao

[fluid ravine]

topre

[kind helm]

i think there is this one chinese guy who uses actual mechanical engineering tools to test stuff. i linked a bilibili vid that he did for ttc kom a long while back

i dont remember his name either though

"wobble and fluctuations" i think same guy most likely

[tawdry tree]

yeah on bilibili

[tawdry tree]

for sure

discord search is so shit

[kind helm]

this guy?

@tawdry tree

actually nah this guy only tests boards not switches

[tawdry tree]

not that guy, the other one

with the crazy setup

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YTmqYSEFF/ maybe this guy

[kind helm]

fancy

[tawdry tree]

nah I don’t think so

[tawdry tree]

yeah but that’s not the wobble tester

it was a diff guy

[kind helm]

the one i saw was not as well produced, like the quality of editting was not as good as this

[glacial wind]

The tricky thing is flux doesn’t seem to be only wobble even though wobble is a major factor

[kind helm]

yeee man and there are too many just gamer say HE good or KOM good videos... gives me pain

[glacial wind]

Some of it seems to be magnet variance too to some degree and there’s some claims of things like heat build up etc that affect it too

It’s why ttc has the 3 holes in their housing

[kind helm]

yea the holes on pom and the snake version

yeee

[glass comet]

has anyone tried the everglide magnetos/skylines, ur studio ice and everglide sticky rices

js bought them on aliexpress idk if theyre good

[tawdry tree]

you just bought all of them?

[glass comet]

i bought 10 switches each

it was like $30 lol

[tawdry tree]

my man

that’s the way

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-catnod-yes-vibe-gif-21529329

[jade narwhal]

this guy？

[shrewd flicker]

Are there aftermarket plastic cases for the 80HE?

[magic walrus]

Maybe kbdfans has one

They got an aluminum one maybe Plastik too

[shrewd flicker]

I didn't find anything, but maybe I searched wrong

I need a material that doesn't absorb cold like a cake

[magic walrus]

No im Sorry they have just aluminium

[shrewd flicker]

can you help me choose the right switches and keycaps?

(we can move to dms if you want)

[magic walrus]

Jo

[quasi hinge]

I can recommend ttc poms (og or wooting) then raws or jade pros

[bold grail]

This brings tears to my eyes

What is in this beauty

[languid kestrel]

technically cold cannot be absorbed since cold is lack of energy

[shrewd flicker]

what about keycaps?

[languid kestrel]

and metal isn't any colder than plastik, just a much better thermal conductor

[shrewd flicker]

I'm aware

[shrewd flicker]

I'm not a native speaker, but I think everyone understood what I meant

[quasi hinge]

I play in the dark and use wooting stock keycaps as I need the shine through

There are so many options for keycaps though

Are you looking for a vendor?

[shrewd flicker]

I'm not sure if playing in the dark is safe for the vision

tbh

[shrewd flicker]

not really

[quasi hinge]

I use an oled and reduce the blue light

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[shrewd flicker]

it's about flicker, not blue light. oled screens have more flicker, especially at lower brightness levels

[quasi hinge]

You can find many vendors here selling different keycaps

[shrewd flicker]

but I'm not interested in discussing monitors rn

[quasi hinge]

I guess my eyes will be cooked then looool

[quasi hinge]

Check the wootstations also

some people post their keycaps and where to get them from

And you can see how they look

It is really up to you to match your theme/build

[bold grail]

Is there a specific lube to buy for a Keyboard?

Or is any fine

[quasi hinge]

Krytox 205g0

[bold grail]

Gdamn

Okay

[quasi hinge]

Im not sure if there are others but as far as I know that is the most recommended

[bold grail]

Ohk Thanks

[quasi hinge]

https://wooting.io/product/wooting-switch-lubricant-lube-set?Option=Wooting+Lubrication+set

[sinful adder]

Are the tape mod safe? No risk of damaging the PCB?🥲

[languid kestrel]

correct

[knotty iron]

#🔌│tech is where you can discuss about momitors

[shrewd flicker]

thanks

[knotty iron]

np

[glossy pagoda]

If the correct tape is used, yes.
Tape that leaves residue such as duct tape, or is excessively adhesive such as duct tape, is likely to damage the PCBA.
Don't use duct tape

[tranquil sandal]

can we use like masking tape

[glossy pagoda]

Painters tape would be the better option

[tranquil sandal]

alr

[tranquil sandal]

how to get ihaswooting role

[glossy pagoda]

https://hub.wooting.io

[half prawn]

Hello there ^^, I'm very interested in the Wooting 80HE keyboard, but I'm hesitating to order because I'm wondering when the French PBT keycaps will be available?

Another question, will there be a keyboard with the same specs as the 80HE but in Full-size?

Thanks a lot
🫡

[peak breach]

You could just get the keycaps from somewhere else

[half prawn]

I looked for it, but I can't find any "Double Shot Backlit PBT Keycap Set - Just Black" in french layout

[stone flax]

azerty fr

[peak breach]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1618007398/black-backlit-french-keycaps-iso-fr?external=1&ref=landingpage_similar_listing_top-1&sts=1&plkey=5eeeaabfc405059608fa44a77f2a421cf0b11803%3A1618007398

Those are abs

[half prawn]

yep, so not what I'm looking for, wooting are selling in abs too for 10€

[tawdry tree]

YES!

[honest sparrow]

Hello guys, i installed the friction pad on the tofu 60he. Can you give me any tip to disassembly again? I want to change stabs

[tawdry tree]

Take a corner switch out and hook the switch plate with something.

A switch puller’s hook might work

[honest sparrow]

Thanks mate ❤️

[tawdry tree]

🫡

[honest sparrow]

Ez

@tawdry tree i think this two guys are bad

Are this stains normal?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, the oily looking stains are from the coating to prevent moisture damage.

[tawdry tree]

They’re more pink you mean?

[honest sparrow]

Yes

[tawdry tree]

Yes, this is with most Woot’s boards and boards that use those LEDs in general.

[honest sparrow]

This guy always saving my life… I will have to name my first son after him… @tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

So it’s not really much you can do about it other than changing the color slightly yourself.

[crystal pagoda]

mreow

mreowwwww

mrow

meow

[tawdry tree]

but if you’re using something like the wave effect, then of course can’t do shit

[crystal pagoda]

😸

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[crystal pagoda]

me

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wait-waiting-cat-wait-waiting-cat-waiting-gif-9780709586447195996

[glacial wind]

oh the alt account is back

[stone flax]

jed loves talking about me

its nice to see that he cares so much ❤️

[glacial wind]

it's a bit trickier when you have multiple accounts to flame people on, but it's okay i can add second one to block too

[tawdry tree]

Slasher vs Evil Dolch soon™

[stone flax]

U love me

ive never had someone talk to me after blocking as much as i have with you

signaling the virtues much

i thought the point of a block is that u stop interacting with someone but with you it just seems like a way to say “i have this person blockity blocked cuz theyre a bad person!!”

https://tenor.com/view/10foot-pole-high-horse-arrogant-gif-10461828

[mossy cloud]

veenom beter

[sacred elm]

mjFPS is back

oh its zanixfps

mb

[tawdry tree]

We got LEDs on the plate and PCB now 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

https://tenor.com/view/gato-rgb-gif-22003887

[stone flax]

How much aura have i farmed

[tawdry tree]

💀💀

[stone flax]

Woah

i want underglow tbh

[austere creek]

cant imagine at all how a pcb plate with components could ever go wrong

[tawdry tree]

surely big switch pullers are small enough to not touch the LEDs at all.

[stone flax]

♥️

China loves rgb

[tawdry tree]

SURE SWITCH PULLER WITH BIG HOOKS FIT EVEN

my god

it’s so dumb

[stone flax]

its smort

taps into blinding rgb market

[tawdry tree]

yeah, it’s an unhealthy obsession.

[austere creek]

im pretty sure you can knock of those leds accidentally with any switch puller

[glacial wind]

it's a built in skill tester

[austere creek]

lol

[stone flax]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-house-md-gif-18372227

i lol’ed 😂

[tawdry tree]

it was thoroughly tested before they filed a patent for it for sureeee.

[calm pulsar]

lmao so I wasnt wrong

[tawdry tree]

they are actually doing it, maybe those are really strong LEDs and solder joints that can withstand the force of the mighty switch pullers..

[little turret]

when buying keycaps what are terms I should look for to know they're quality? I've heard something about doubleshot but no idea what that means

[calm pulsar]

64% and leds on plate... cursed

[half hill]

TvT

Kms

[glacial wind]

honestly it's more brands that you want to look for than anything else. Doubleshot doesn't ensure quality and dye sub isn't necessarily bad quality either - it just depends on how it's done in both cases

there's good and bad dye sub and there's good and bad doubleshot

[tawdry tree]

64% doubter! LEDs on plate are beyond me. How that idea even made it to prototyping then to production IDK. Maybe they know something we don’t.

[bold grail]

Double shot is generally higher quality, “shot” or injected in two different molds during production . the legends of a keycap are not on the same piece of plastic as the outer mold.

[calm pulsar]

doubleshot means each letter is actual plastic that is injected into the main mold, so the alphas don't wear out in time and look shaprer usually

dyesub are when ink is injected into plastic deeply, pretty much like printed, but can be muddier depending on the quality

[little turret]

interesting, thanks for that input - any brands you recommend off top? I have a couple of links but not familiar with m any

[bold grail]

Drop

Are expensive

But Semi good Qualit y

I like Amazon keycaps, Its a big gamble but you could end up with Fire Keycaps

[glacial wind]

basically give a price range and folks here can recommend you stuff inside that range

there's everything from super cheap aifei clones to high end limited gmk sets

[calm pulsar]

rgb slop is upon us, like ai slop😭

[little turret]

well check it out

[little turret]

if they are crazy unique and catch my eye I'd go up to 100 dollars, ideally 50ish and under range

[fallen pecan]

https://x.com/0000_Fafa/status/1896536848199233719 imoshi's mathew switch review

ふぁいもし／imoshi (@0000_Fafa) on X

MATHEW 静音スイッチは確かに静かなんだけど、ステムの構造の影響で押し込みの最後が重い。めちゃ優しく押すと途中で止まり、底打ちするにはちょっと力入れないといけない。ラピッドトリガーとの相性は悪そう？
安く静かにしたいならこれは良い。ただ軸ブレ苦手な人にはオススメしない。

X · Mar 3, 2025, 12:23 PM

[calm pulsar]

the switch pads for the plate probably create even more wobble, but maybe he's going for as muted as possible

[tawdry tree]

https://x.com/0000_fafa/status/1896532112767123563

ふぁいもし／imoshi (@0000_Fafa) on X

Kailh Magnetic God
KS-20互換
軸ブレはかなり小さいけどわざわざ買う必要無し...

X · Mar 3, 2025, 12:04 PM

what a disappointment.

[calm pulsar]

lol I watched this 1 second ago, yeah sounds quite bad

[gaunt plume]

Padless version

I think this step will have a negative effect on rapid trigger.

[sacred elm]

🤮

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, bottom out less so on boards where the deadzone is adjustable.

[calm pulsar]

appreciate this! seemingly not much difference in wobble between padless and with pad

it's like a dual stage bottom out 😄

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, exactly like that.

It’s the same for all silent switches with the same mechanism of course.

But for mech it’s less impactful.

[calm pulsar]

oh so they finally made "pillow" switches for @spice plover

[tawdry tree]

He should get them soon I think

[calm pulsar]

I might check out some silents on HE

I feel like experimenting now that I have an MX build lol

[tawdry tree]

You should, it’s fun.

[tawdry tree]

green green

[calm pulsar]

midori ryu

[sacred elm]

vomit

[gaunt plume]

緑龍🐉

[tawdry tree]

🐲

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-like-a-dragon-like-a-dragon-8-infinite-wealth-joryu-ichiban-gif-9145959233695372669

[tropic urchin]

Those are so green wtf 😭 are those the gaming recolors

Gateron taking L after L after releasing Jade pros ong

[glossy pagoda]

Lateron

[sacred elm]

I was about to type

[calm pulsar]

he said the thing

[stone flax]

looting

[quasi hinge]

Lameron

[tawdry tree]

Gatekeeperon

[tawdry tree]

God Dang Pros

[stone flax]

Gatttceeper

[glacial wind]

at $50 and under it's basically some cheaper sets like FBB, Tutkeys are some brands that sell cheaper but decent quality stuff. Could also do clones like Aifei and ghost judge

[calm pulsar]

the god damns

[glacial wind]

under $100 you have a ton of stuff though, that's almost all of the pbtfans, osume, sometimes gmk, some keykobo sets

[quasi hinge]

Duhuk are KOF - King Of Flux

[glacial wind]

you can get almost anything you want for that sub $100 mark

[calm pulsar]

as in they have issues with magnet stability?

[sacred elm]

Lubed 30 poms, already hate my life

[tawdry tree]

Just Everglide Master recolor sadly but purple is nice 💜

[tawdry tree]

They’ll be worth it!

[polar girder]

Really?

[quasi hinge]

Im being sarcastic because their +- is so bad

[quasi hinge]

Not at all lmao

They are King Of Cope

[sacred elm]

doubletap ahh switches

[calm pulsar]

lol I would probably never notice any instabilities tbh, especially on venom

[sacred elm]

With low rapid trigger and actuation you might

https://x.com/kosio_inkya/status/1894725510049214937

こしお (@kosio_inkya) on X

Duhuk Core Heの注意点
恐らくトップアウト静音化のためのステムに付いている板バネのような物の影響で、トップアウト時に反発してステムが多少下がっている可能性がある。
APを低めに設定していると、強めに打鍵したとき・素早く指を離したときのトップアウトの直後に勝手に反応することがある。

X · Feb 26, 2025, 12:25 PM

[tawdry tree]

This is an issue that will be noticeable if it’s as bad as the guy made it seem.

I’d blame Woot not the switch though.

[calm pulsar]

right now I'm on 1.0mm actuation, 3.0mm travel MX goodness

[glacial wind]

oh i saw that design thing on their stem and was wondering if that would cause issues

[sacred elm]

What does wooting has to do with that💀

its not even tested on wooting

[tawdry tree]

No RT effective range in 2+ years.

No adjustable top out and bottom out deadzone.

Despite TTC’s showing this exact behavior.

Sure it was minimal to a point where it didn’t matter at the current lowest RT setting, but it should’ve been done a long long time ago.

[sacred elm]

I dont see exact behavior in those test results, you might try to watch those videos one more time

[glacial wind]

i mean if you want to set low sens then just don't buy those switches

[tawdry tree]

Can’t really have A without B.

[tawdry tree]

It’s bounce, the exact behavior Woot already noticed with TTC’s.

[glacial wind]

it's not really a keyboard thing here but rather you'd be able to just turn off the low sens on a venom or similar via deadzone adjustment

you'd still be unable to have the trigger sens either way

[tawdry tree]

You can’t really create a switch mechanism that is silent and has absolutely no bounce. At least that currently doesn’t exist.

[glacial wind]

i assume people who go for duhuk core he wouldn't really care though and they're not buying duhuk for it's hair trigger performance

[tawdry tree]

So the board and the switch have to come together in some degree, to make everything work as it should.

RT effective range would solve more than one of those problems.

[glacial wind]

they'll get around to that stuff eventually i assume, it's pretty niche

probably wasn't very high on priority list when they were bugfixing wootility stable still

[tawdry tree]

It should’ve been with RT quite early on IMO. Now they’re just lacking behind in that specific aspect.

[quasi hinge]

Fix the switch not the board

[tawdry tree]

Especially when they noticed it on the TTCs.

[glacial wind]

eh that's just your preference though, i don't think it's that high priority a thing honestly

not saying they shouldn't add it, but i can't imagine it's that big a amount of people who even know about this being a thing or will be in this specific situation that needs it

[tawdry tree]

It’s not really something that can be fixed, it’s a mechanism, the same that is used in mech switches.

[quasi hinge]

There has to be some sort of solution

Someone will figure something out

[tawdry tree]

It really is, you can’t have high accuracy without it.

[glacial wind]

solution would be dampening a different way

[glacial wind]

again - that's because your preference of what you want is higher

[tawdry tree]

If you believe 0.1mm is fine, then sure.

[glacial wind]

0.1 is fine

[glossy pagoda]

Do you believe that 0.1mm isn't fine?

[tawdry tree]

Most don’t and it 0.1 isn’t competitive anymore.

[glacial wind]

i disagree

i think you're taking the opinion of people who spend a lot of time on keyboard discords

[tawdry tree]

It’s not competitive anymore.

[glossy pagoda]

It's honest

[sacred elm]

What💀

[glacial wind]

what you see on niche keyboard discords is not necessarily what the general public talks about or cares about

[tawdry tree]

Not at all. I don’t use 0.1 ever really.

[tawdry tree]

It’s what sells.

[sacred elm]

0.1 isnt competitive anymore, I heard it all

[calm pulsar]

I think for RT it matters more

I'm not a sweat but I kinda noticed a difference in how fast RT triggers when spamming keys between wooting and venom

[glossy pagoda]

I've yet to see any company claiming less than 0.1mm on start and end of keypress actually backing those numbers up with empirical testing

[glacial wind]

agree to disagree because i just played valorant with 4 friends who don't even know the first thing about the topic and wouldn't know if it sells them or not

[tawdry tree]

Always will be. :)

[stone flax]

duhuks on top

[tawdry tree]

Quite a few boards have been tested beyond 0.1mm by reviewers.

[glacial wind]

you have to remember most folks don't even know what accuracy even is and can't even use 0.1mm

[tawdry tree]

I mean, you know it sells. I know you do man. 😅

[glacial wind]

if you spend a lot of time in keyboard discords you start to assume the average 16 year old hyper peripheral focused gamer is the average demo, but it's not

[glossy pagoda]

At start and end of press? Do share.

[knotty iron]

I do use the most sensitive settings on my 80HE, honestly feels really snappy for Geometry Dash, otherwise I don't for most other games

[glacial wind]

i do not agree at all that this is the key to selling wooting keyboards and i don't believe it's really being a major factor in their sales

[tawdry tree]

Mioni on Youtube does decent tests and compares the boards in almost every video.

[glacial wind]

keep in mind the average keyboard reviewer on youtube is a 1-10k average views per video type of channel

it's a tiny tiny niche of people who hyper focus on these stats

most of the base are more of a 'random frank p give me the general rundown' kind of folks

[tawdry tree]

It’s not an argument. It’s not competitive anymore, that’s what I’m saying and that’s what people seem to care about or else they wouldn’t get a board that’s the same price as Woot’s with overall worse software but just better latency and accuracy (both of which really aren’t noticeable differences).

[glacial wind]

i don't disagree that it's not necessarily competitive to the 0.1% degree. I just disagree that it matters that much and that it's what drives sales there

[tawdry tree]

From what I’ve seen it does.

[glacial wind]

google trends disagrees

[tawdry tree]

Neither of us are the brand and have the sales so agree to disagree.

[polar girder]

Arguing anecdotes is useless

[glossy pagoda]

Can you share a link where a measurement of less than 0.1mm is validated? I don't have time to trawl through their video stack to read autotranslated subtitles

[tawdry tree]

Yeah.

[glacial wind]

you can check the peaks of wooting popularity based on google trends data yourself

check how many use the search terms of anything related to any of these hyper niche stat things

[tawdry tree]

I’ll link it in a min.

[polar girder]

I would assume “gaming keyboard rapid trigger” is about as deep as they get

[tawdry tree]

Never said Wooting’s sales are tanking man.

It’s not even something that’s new.

[glossy pagoda]

This chart is not strongly correlated to sales

[glacial wind]

yep. it's mostly just normies who want to buy whatever is the 'it' keyboard

[tawdry tree]

Bigger number has an impact on sales most definitely.

Better number.*

[glacial wind]

if anything i'd wager wootings biggest growths are based on game growth

aka the osu hit, valorant hit etc

[tawdry tree]

Discover I reckon.

[polar girder]

I mean .01 is OBVIOUSLY better than.1

[glossy pagoda]

Pro players using Wooting at competition level = higher sales

[quasi hinge]

If they did what he wanted, would they sell a trillion more boards?

[tawdry tree]

Most people don’t know about analog boards yet.

[polar girder]

More sensitive = better performance = decreased latency

Ez

[glacial wind]

yeah exactly, like mark said it's more that each scene grows and wooting nets x % of the games where those pros use their keyboards the most

[polar girder]

Cuts analog useless unless you’re playing need for speed with a keyboard for some reason lol

[knotty iron]

there is also the question of stability and signal integrity

[polar girder]

Nah bruh

You don’t need to actually back up the marketing claims. Just put them on the ad

[calm pulsar]

disable rgb slop = signal integrity, ez

[tawdry tree]

It’s the “better” performing product. I believe for an analog board people care a lot about the latency, accuracy and then features (RT before all the above of course).

[polar girder]

What’s analog good for?

Actual q

[glacial wind]

i don't think anyone disagrees with this - aligner is just trying to say that he think the features such as deadzone adjustment are crucial to wootings sales

[tawdry tree]

I just say analog, HE or TMR, whatever.

[calm pulsar]

shifting in CS without pressing shift

[glacial wind]

which is where we disagree a bit

[tawdry tree]

magnetic keyboards..

[polar girder]

Yeah it sucks tho

I tried it

[tawdry tree]

Crucial if Woot is ever planning on going to lower the 0.1 accuracy, YES. Duhh.

Then it becomes necessary.

[glacial wind]

yeah which i don't think is that crucial to their sales

[tawdry tree]

Again, agree to disagree

[calm pulsar]

yeah im poking fun abt this, if anything it makes your inputs slower when you actually need to move to avoid getting shot and stuff like that

[knotty iron]

emulators? rapid trigger? custom actuation points? at least for me I take advantage of these and more features

[glacial wind]

i think they'll add stuff like that eventually, especially now that simon has more time for that stuff, but making their software more stable is higher priority imo

[tawdry tree]

Bigs is right, it’s meaningless to argue about something neither of us know.

[glacial wind]

stable software > adding in niche features to push 0.01 type accuracy things in priority for me

[tawdry tree]

For me as well.

If that’s the case for most other, 🤷‍♂️

[glacial wind]

i think people heavily take forgranted the amount of dev time it takes to do a lot of this stuff and maintain all previous keyboards at same time

if wooting could snap their fingers and just have those features added at same time i'm sure they would

but it comes down to prioritizing what they think is more important and working on it first

[polar girder]

Are they still prioritizing customer service or have different top priority rn?

[glacial wind]

there's a reason the keyboards that are more competitive have abandoned their previous keyboards at the same time. Keep in mind for example melgeek made 1 update to their made 68 non pro - they couldn't maintain updates on it at the same time as trying to dev new stuff on 68 pro

[polar girder]

I know they were focusing on improving those systems for a bit

[tawdry tree]

Just MM Studio afaik

Rakka’s dev

[glacial wind]

no melgeek as well abandoned their non pro for months

you can check their update schedule

even now they only pushed out a recent update last week with some but not all the bugfixes needed to 68 non pro

[polar girder]

Wooting and Geon > everyone else

[glacial wind]

that was the first update it got in 4 months

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I was wondering about, at which point is supporting older devices a bad thing.

[polar girder]

When it holds back growth imo

[tawdry tree]

If it slows overall progress by a lot because it takes up a tremendous amount of time, is it still worth?

[knotty iron]

all hail geon and all that he touches

[tawdry tree]

I agree.

[glacial wind]

i think that's why wooting spent so much time on wootility v5 from the sounds of it - because they needed to streamline the base and make sure it was good so that it's easy to build upwards on top of it

at least that's what I gather from the simon stream

[tawdry tree]

Oh Mioni doesn’t meaure top deadzone.

Who was the other guy

[fluid ravine]

Goodeo Morning

[calm pulsar]

good morning
guten morgen
доброе утро

[tawdry tree]

goede morgen

[quasi hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

[glacial wind]

most interesting thing if you dive into search data is that apex pro is still incredibly popular for being one of the worst keyboards

that's the power of branding with normies

[quasi hinge]

So many people see name brand and they jump on it

That insane rog azoth for 500$ lmao

People are buying it apparently

[glacial wind]

yeah exactly, normies don't know the first thing about he stuff. They just see a brand they know, keyboard is popular and used by pros and buy

[tawdry tree]

the power of 10 year long marketing

just being known helps a lot

[glacial wind]

honestly wootings best marketing was whoevers idea it was to give the custom 80he to ohnepixel

that's huge return on investment

[sacred elm]

gold gold gold

[glacial wind]

they don't do much marketing since i don't think they have a proper marketing campaign guy yet, but that one in particular was smart influencer marketing

[tawdry tree]

@glossy pagoda Mioi doesn’t do top deadzone tests, just bottom. There are some deadzone and RT testers on bilibili which are good but I don’t remember the name. HDMI on X also does latency and RT tests: https://x.com/fmizdevice/status/1878074131654029699 (this is not top out, but RT in the middle of the stroke).

ふぁみすけ(HDMI) (@fmizdevice) on X

押し込んだ状態でのrt
三量のマイクロメーターは±0.003mm誤差らしいけど、毎回0.002mmくらいで音が止まる

X · Jan 11, 2025, 1:39 PM

[glossy pagoda]

Middle of the keystroke is totally irrelevant

[tawdry tree]

Well, it is 0.003.

[glossy pagoda]

Wooting's measurement accuracy is also substantially more refined than 0.1mm within the middle of a keystroke, but because this means absolutely nothing whatsoever, we do not advertise this

[tawdry tree]

Variance.

[tawdry tree]

When I find the guy on bilibili that had the whole chart as well, I’ll let you know.

[polar girder]

Why is accuracy mid keystroke so useless?

[calm pulsar]

I was wondering too

[glossy pagoda]

All that matters to latency is how long it takes for the keyboard to both measure and verify that the user is taking an action

[polar girder]

Isn’t that when RT triggers?

[tawdry tree]

The closer to the sensor, the more accuracy.

[glossy pagoda]

In this context, the application of rapid trigger is defining the begining and end of keystroke

[calm pulsar]

should I interpert this as a successful test? given how fast it triggers? (the sound)

and is there a similar test for duhuks? would be interesting to know now that duhuks seem to be gaining traction

[polar girder]

So not at all rapid trigger? Lol

[tropic urchin]

Before the ASUS updates and double tapping switches made me want to commit myself, their OG wasn’t a bad keyboard (sounded nice and looked half way decent)

[tawdry tree]

The sound is just that the key is active. How far the switch has to travel to deactivate and active again is what is “impressive”.

[quasi hinge]

everything was half decent till wooting came along

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I got nothing for that

🤣

[quasi hinge]

Ive been playing games since the 90s

[polar girder]

I mean I’m in way over my head, just trying to make sense of it

[polar girder]

Ok boomer

[quasi hinge]

wooting is by far the biggest upgrade I have ever felt

[quasi hinge]

first time someone said that to me haha

[knotty iron]

same

[tawdry tree]

I went from mech to Woot, so yeah.

[quasi hinge]

pivotal moment in my life lmao

[calm pulsar]

yeah it feels like we've reached enough snappiness for humans, now let's focus on the sound and feel

[polar girder]

Gaming in the 90’s you’re basically a fossil

(I too was gaming in the 90’s)

[knotty iron]

I tried the Q1 HE by Keychron as my first HE kb

[glacial wind]

It’s time for you to clack max

[quasi hinge]

Same

[polar girder]

NEVER

[glacial wind]

Join the cf church

[tawdry tree]

Who cares about feel when you can have a 0.000255372MS latency and 0.038465352737MM RT accuracy keyboard?

[quasi hinge]

I was a young kid, barely made the sega genesis gen

[tawdry tree]

With RGB!!

[austere creek]

can it make coffee though

[quasi hinge]

But I was there in the early CS days

[glossy pagoda]

This picture shows the what I mean with start and end of keystroke. Even though it's firmly in the middle of the total possible range of the switch, there is still a "start and end" of keypress

[tawdry tree]

Of course, it’s got the 200K HZ MCU, you can cook an egg on it if you’d like.

[polar girder]

I was a dedicated Genesis and game Gear enjoyer

Until PlayStation dropped

[quasi hinge]

time flies damn

[quasi hinge]

hit different then but every gen will say that

fr fr cap

[tropic urchin]

On skibidi

[sacred elm]

get out

[fluid ravine]

Wii

[quasi hinge]

had that too

[calm pulsar]

well I would say I've been clack maxxing for quite a while now, using dense plates and no foams on Wooting and Venom

however I found MX clack to be way nicer feeling, hope HE reaches there some day

not that it is a universally accepted direction that everyone is going to move, but I still hope for some changes

[tropic urchin]

I still remember the OG Wii from like 2008 😌

[glossy pagoda]

"Clack maxxing" what a term 😂

[fluid ravine]

I was borned that year!

[tropic urchin]

And seeing those commercials

[calm pulsar]

I wish there was a 7u cf plate for froggie

[quasi hinge]

but after the wii then life took over, only got back into gaming after life settled

[fluid ravine]

I still have my of wiis

I have 2 consoles

My first and only consoles that I ever own

[quasi hinge]

I still have my N64

thats it

[polar girder]

Hype keyboards lol

[sacred elm]

What are these boomers talking about

[austere creek]

have you tried the ttc pom switches...

those are clacky as shii

[sacred elm]

jk

[quasi hinge]

type shiiii

[calm pulsar]

yeah that board in the back has ttc poms installed and I have a sound test of them too

[glacial wind]

the church of the clack maxxing grows

[cyan lark]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[fluid ravine]

FORG

[calm pulsar]

forg legerga

[glossy pagoda]

Back in my day, you could either talk on the phone or surf the web, but not both

[quasi hinge]

One day you too will feel it, doesnt seem like it but time just slips away

LOL

[glacial wind]

Back in the day I had to return EverQuest the first time I bought it because our computer didn’t have a graphics card at the time

[solar tundra]

still waiting for creamy thocky endgame switches...im a certified clacky hater

._.

[polar girder]

Clack is whack.

[fluid ravine]

See back in the day I was in my mother's womb

With my wii

[sacred elm]

😳

[cyan lark]

Be Kind, Rewind

[quasi hinge]

before that

sac days

[glacial wind]

I’m sure baldson can relate to going to the blockbuster to rent the latest episode of Star Trek deep space nine

[tropic urchin]

Microplastics are going too far now

Having your Wii in the womb is WILD

[fluid ravine]

Born to be a gaymer

[sacred elm]

shii

[fluid ravine]

[polar girder]

Blockbuster looking ahhhhh

[calm pulsar]

2 thumbs up vs 4 angry reactions
clack maxxers take another win

[cyan lark]

Blow on the cartridge type shii

[fluid ravine]

[tropic urchin]

As Gen z I still have memories of blockbuster 😳

[quasi hinge]

Best was using a Q tip and little alcohol

[polar girder]

Typical clack maxxer thinking that emojis win the war.

[tropic urchin]

Raeds on top

[calm pulsar]

ww3 will be won with emojis

[tropic urchin]

jk

[tawdry tree]

propaganda.

[polar girder]

You’re not wrong lol

[cyan lark]

This is how we separated the future engineers

[solar tundra]

i found another certified clacky hater

he is my goat

[glacial wind]

If you didn’t collect all original 151 Pokemon in red/blue then clearly you are an inferior gamer

[polar girder]

Yeah clack is akin to crack. It feels good in the moment but it rots your brain.

[polar girder]

Fr

[calm pulsar]

have you done your build btw

or still waiting for cosmos?

[polar girder]

Ofc not

[quasi hinge]

I am listening with headphones, no clacking lol

[cyan lark]

If you never stop clacking then what’s the problem

[calm pulsar]

don't believe him, bro is building ttc pom on alu plate + gmk keycaps, clack maxxing at its finest

[fluid ravine]

[solar tundra]

i want jade pro switches but with sound on steroids

[polar girder]

I think I’m going to bag lube the pingless springs and put them in raw+ alu then lube up the POM’s and put them in PP

[peak breach]

ayy just got an email by artisan saying the courrier picked up my package

[solar tundra]

oh my god he is not a real one

[cyan lark]

KoM og

[fluid ravine]

Sounds like a plan

[polar girder]

Yeah one day

[fluid ravine]

I like

[polar girder]

[peak breach]

also just got my new skates today

[solar tundra]

Arent they clacky

[quasi hinge]

boomer KoM

haha

[glacial wind]

I have some kom og in a tester box somewhere. I should lube those to see if they actually sound bad still lubed

I feel they got a lot of flack early because people didn’t lube it

[cyan lark]

Yes like Jade pro but on crack

[solar tundra]

Idk i just want "Creamy Thocky" Switches, i liked WS Dash so much rn im on Raw HE Lubed they not bad im still lookin which Switches gonna be next

[quasi hinge]

who knew they would ship with that little lube, and how many people actually would lube them?

[cyan lark]

They weren’t terrible, just higher pitched iirc

[solar tundra]

creamy thocky

hell yeah

[cyan lark]

Oh this is satans triangle

[glacial wind]

That chart seems to be missing moisture level

[calm pulsar]

mental illness chart

[quasi hinge]

Who made this

[solar tundra]

yo who is fkin me up with that emojis

[fluid ravine]

Wheres wet?

[solar tundra]

ahahahaha

wet creamy and thocky

[fluid ravine]

[tropic urchin]

Marbly clack goated

[cyan lark]

You know where wet is

[solar tundra]

What are the most Thocky Switches rn

Like actualy

[fluid ravine]

[calm pulsar]

wet with caffeine and caramel syrup

[calm pulsar]

actually true

[tawdry tree]

Open bottom, doubt they’ll sound decent compared to closed KoMs.

Partially open bottom.*

[tropic urchin]

Everyone else is just wrong

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[cyan lark]

KoMs are closed bottom

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-after-careful-consideration-i-have-come-to-the-conclusion-that-your-opinion-sucks-gif-25893576

[cyan lark]

Unless this is another one of those "spiritually open" things

[quasi hinge]

Some have pioneered open bottom

[calm pulsar]

any MACA enjoyers?
Make Actuation Clacky Again

[tawdry tree]

Not the first batch of V1s, they were slightly open.

partially.

[solar tundra]

Isnt there any switch list sorted by sound

[glacial wind]

Wait until we get the fully open switches. It’ll just be a top and bottom housing filled with holes like a finalmouse

[calm pulsar]

it would be hard to make since there are a lot of other variables that affect the sound

[glacial wind]

Open housing maxxing

[cyan lark]

Oh maybe OGv1. I had OG KoMs and they were 100% closed.

[solar tundra]

What are the most Thocky Switches rn

Like actual thock thock

[cyan lark]

I guess maybe they were a later revision

[calm pulsar]

raeds he

[mossy cloud]

the pop scale is messed up btw

[cyan lark]

Open bottom KoM POM mod is the way

[quasi hinge]

what board, case and plate do you have?

[glacial wind]

Ask again in a year

[tropic urchin]

Maca is crazy 🤣😭

[quasi hinge]

cant tell if serious looool

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, first batch of KoMs, so V1s. The later batches were closed off with just the two “cooling” holes.

[solar tundra]

am i cooked

[glacial wind]

Yeah doesn’t exist still

[calm pulsar]

holy60 kinda switch😭

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/kuiil-have-spoken-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-15566834

[tawdry tree]

stop

pls

[cyan lark]

I left it in my work board 😄

[solar tundra]

kinda makes me sad

isnt there any way to mod a switch

[calm pulsar]

check out raeds

[glacial wind]

Wait that’s a great name. The final holy switch

[quasi hinge]

the messiah

[cyan lark]

Holy Pom

[solar tundra]

Cant find Soundtest höh

[cyan lark]

stealing it

[calm pulsar]

pls no more holes on pom, they are loud as it is

[glacial wind]

No switch will be as holy - literally

[tawdry tree]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[calm pulsar]

@harsh dove has a sound test somewhere here

yeah that one

[solar tundra]

Okay nah thats too thocky

[tawdry tree]

🤣

[solar tundra]

creamy thocky?

[glacial wind]

they need to make it like those electric cars with the fake engine sounds. Just install a speaker inside so that when you push down the switch it plays a thock sound file

[calm pulsar]

brother couldn't handle the THOCK levels

[solar tundra]

like a bit of thock and bit of clacky

hahahaha bro

[calm pulsar]

ttc poms in a plastic plate would be that I think

[fluid ravine]

Thack

[tawdry tree]

Everglide Skylines perhaps

Everglide Skyline sound test

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[calm pulsar]

glarses made a video on that a long time ago

[solar tundra]

Nah dont like it

[glacial wind]

See I knew glarses was the best keyboard creator for a reason

[sacred elm]

lubing poms rn, beastx is out for delivery

we are so back

[solar tundra]

I think i just get some Jade Pros next cause they sound like WS Dash with less Stem Wobble

WS Dash still my favs

[calm pulsar]

now you can finally play bideo gaems

[sacred elm]

I wont 😭

[calm pulsar]

yeah cause ws dash are normal jades, and jade pros are an upgrade over normal jades

[tawdry tree]

Those are the most in between clack and thock magnetic switches out right now. Maybe you like Duhuks? Which are extreme clack but with a quiet top out?

[solar tundra]

duhuks?

[cyan lark]

Solenoids https://youtu.be/XSHaTrc5Lcs?feature=shared&t=567

[sacred elm]

If you have raws, wait few months maybe something drops with the sound you like

[tawdry tree]

Duhuk sound test

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[fluid ravine]

How long has raw dropped?

[solar tundra]

I mean i still like my Raws so its not a rn thing but i always like to think about what i get next cause i def not get a second keyboard

[solar tundra]

They sound kinda like Raws to me but a bit more higher pitched

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

and quiet top out.

[solar tundra]

I like it less pitched def

[fluid ravine]

Claaaaak

[solar tundra]

But they dont sound bad tho

[chilly mural]

Make it less harsh, reduce the high end, introduce some fake vibrato, and it'll prop be my fav

[fluid ravine]

Fiberglass infused in the bottom housing making it sharper and louder on the bottom out

[solar tundra]

WS Dash/Jade Pros still my fav in Sound but im still lookin for a Switch that might be even ebtter

[solar tundra]

im gonna throw up

[tawdry tree]

Then there isn’t really anything out currently that you like. You could get a couple switches from Ali and experiment either your build, maybe you’ll like some.

[sacred elm]

huh

[solar tundra]

bro is def a certified clacky lover

[tawdry tree]

Duhuk sound test 2

[glacial wind]

That’s weakness leaving the body

A good sign

[solar tundra]

Hell nah

[fluid ravine]

Hell yeeee

[calm pulsar]

this absolutely needs to be in frog leggera

gummy oring mounted

[fluid ravine]

💯

[fluid ravine]

NEEEEED

[sacred elm]

We've all been there, become clack enjoyer. It's not too late.

[solar tundra]

hell nah

give me maybe a few months

[calm pulsar]

it's all right, give him time, he will mature to it

[tawdry tree]

@harsh dove maybe a format for people to upload sound tests in #🪛│modding_faq so they can be found easier? Just switch name would be enough really but the exact build would be nice as well.

[solar tundra]

like 10 years ago i rly liked the razer blackwidow sound

but that was 10y ago and that was clacky af

[fluid ravine]

See like I don't mind thock, use to be like you, thock wanna be. Overtime realized the truth behind it

[solar tundra]

yeah bro you def a certified clacky lover

i respect it

[fluid ravine]

Clack is more natural to me

And I don't enjoy mods anymore

I like the raw aspects of the boards and what it creates

[glacial wind]

Discord just doesn’t work for organization. It’s the whole reason I’m building that website thing, just been a bit busy to finish it up

[calm pulsar]

"I used to be a Thock lover like you. Then I took a Jade in the knee..."

[fluid ravine]

[cyan lark]

Mod hater in #🔧│keyboard_modding 🙂

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-plinker98-lowtiergod-caption-meme-gif-12333197864584502943

[tawdry tree]

If people named their sound test “switch.. sound test”, it’d help a lot don’t you think? At least Discord search could find them.

[solar tundra]

I just heared Neo Lavender Switches they sound good holy

[tawdry tree]

Skylines but with more wobble.

[solar tundra]

Bro the Skylines didnt sound like that

or he did some different mods on it too

[tawdry tree]

Everything matters

all sound tests are different

[glacial wind]

It works until you have 100 sound tests all mixed up there with different builds and no one uses search or it gets people more confused because builds make switches different sounding

[solar tundra]

https://youtu.be/V5TMo0yvt4Y?si=50OVcGGmNYzZyOyF&t=184

[tawdry tree]

build, equipment and such

desk