🔧│keyboard_modding

[dark cypress]

lol

[cedar gate]

where?

[calm pulsar]

it was a joke

[dark cypress]

so u were tryna lie to me huh

at least you're being honest now lol

[calm pulsar]

but they do need some heavier springs due to the weight

[thorn zealot]

so i should go with skylines/masters since they are cheaper

[dark cypress]

im probably gonna leave that one key a lekker v2 60

[cyan lark]

Spring swap it

And put in 1x KoM POM to give it extra power

[calm pulsar]

maybe, I've never heard of skylines/masters before

[desert spear]

Anyone familiar with yuzukeycaps? I've designed these keycaps, but I don't know if their quality is good or nah.

[thorn zealot]

love it

[tawdry tree]

Depends, if you like the loudness of the Raws then no.

If you don’t, then yes.

[tawdry tree]

They’re pretty good afaik. Only heard good things about them.

[calm pulsar]

@tawdry tree I think I saw you talking about little pins on the switch bottom out in some switches
so I'm not crazy when I thought jades had these? 😄

[tawdry tree]

Yeah Jades have them as well iirc

[dark cypress]

so would that be spring or just the kom switch

[cyan lark]

60g spring is a bit heavier than KoM is by itself

KoM bottom out is 48g

[dark cypress]

so i might as well just leave the lekker v2 in there lol

[cyan lark]

Sound is totally different

[thorn zealot]

alr il get skylines then

also geons pingless springs work on skylines right

[dark cypress]

ahh gotcha

[calm pulsar]

I like skylines

[kind helm]

the correct skyline

[marsh saffron]

R33 best

[polar girder]

God every time I read raw = loud I cringe

So mad I have to use them lol

[calm pulsar]

nah with the frog everything is nice and soft

[kind helm]

who say that

[tawdry tree]

ye but I don’t think they’re worth it (haven’t tried them). I’d go with 22mm springs from ali instead.

[tawdry tree]

wrong

r32>>>>>>

[calm pulsar]

r32 is nice too

[marsh saffron]

R33 clears imo

[calm pulsar]

I like s13 as well, thought it's based on the looks, I can't drive xd

I mean silvia s13

[marsh saffron]

I'm a sucker for s13s

Very nostalgic for me too my dad's owned over a dozen of em

[kind helm]

r32 has the aura

[polar girder]

God I hope so

[polar girder]

#🔧│keyboard_modding lol

[calm pulsar]

can't click

[kind helm]

its link to this channel

[polar girder]

Lolz

[kind helm]

not a specific message

LMAO

[calm pulsar]

ahh lmao

got bamboozled

[cyan lark]

Quick comparison

[kind helm]

that the old lekker or the new one

[cyan lark]

v2

[kind helm]

lekker sounds like ass

[polar girder]

Yeah now we’re finally getting somewhere with HE

Starting to sound crisp

https://tenor.com/view/gold-member-toight-like-a-tiger-gif-3561878

[cyan lark]

The lekkers have that chatter, not very nice by comparison for sure

[polar girder]

Makes me want KOM POM

[cyan lark]

Join us, the water is fine

[polar girder]

Have Raw on the way

[calm pulsar]

gotta lube my ttc pom😭

[cyan lark]

I like the sound of raw and jades about as well as the KoMs, but the feel of the KoMs isn't the same as any of the other's I've tried

[calm pulsar]

they seem insanely stable for gaming

[cyan lark]

Join me in tub lubing heresy

[kind helm]

typing on g and t :3

[cyan lark]

You haven't got time for hand doing things, nobody does.

[polar girder]

Fk

Yeah I need mad stable

Everyone told me raw are fine

I fear KOM POM better

[cyan lark]

Raw kinda can't be beat right now for the price, though if they're about the same as Jade Pros I'd personally go for the latter.

[calm pulsar]

raw might be tighter sounding, pom's design seems like its not the cleanest sound, but stable stem

[kind helm]

personally i am waiting for something better and at a more reasonable price

[calm pulsar]

but I havent tried ttc pom in my board so

[kind helm]

100+ usd for 70 switches is bs

[polar girder]

Yeah I just want the best

[cyan lark]

Though it's not 100+ for 70

[polar girder]

But also had a Geon order going with free shipping so just got RAW lol

[cyan lark]

Still expensive (milktooth)

[kind helm]

a lot closer to reasonable but still

[cyan lark]

• free shipping

[kind helm]

just relatively a lot closer to reasonable

think i remember the wrong one, the snake one is the one that is like absolute bs price

[tawdry tree]

I was about to say lmfao

[cyan lark]

Oh yeah those are the limited editions

[calm pulsar]

I got it on aliexpress for around similar price

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-gollum-gif-27434633

(sorry)

[kind helm]

jade pro is double the price of decent mx switch, pom is like 1.5x of the price of jade pro, then the snake one is a bit less than double the price of pom.

is magnet that expensive?

[cyan lark]

Maybe. Maybe it's newer processes that will get cheaper over time. 🤷

[analog mulch]

are they making anything silent HE?

any silent switch*

[tawdry tree]

You mean the ultra rare serial numbered brand new TTC KoMs?

[kind helm]

open bottom swtich is the closest thing you get for silent

[cyan lark]

Buddy you gotta warn me before you get me all riled up like that

[tawdry tree]

Silent Phoenix and soon Raeds HE.

[analog mulch]

i know about the phoenix, but people say they're not good

[kind helm]

just look at that price it should cool you down, but if that doesn't... fck it just buy them then

[tawdry tree]

They aren’t great but they are “silent”.

[analog mulch]

can you refer me to some?

[analog mulch]

i have the raw he, and they are scratchy as hell, i dont want anything like that

[cyan lark]

Ha, I'm not quite that far gone that I'll get a recolor for 50% more. Maybe I would if I had clear keycaps.

[tawdry tree]

Raw HEs scratchy? Did you lube them with sand?

[analog mulch]

like every bunch after 1 month got super scratchy and it seems like all the keycaps like rubb on each other while their not rubbing its super weird

[kind helm]

lekkerv2, black knight, sticky rice v1

[analog mulch]

i didnt lube them, since i dont know how to lube

[cyan lark]

The only bad friction I experienced on the raws was near the top where they stick just a little

[analog mulch]

i can try to send a sound test

[tawdry tree]

Weird, did you change anything about them?

[analog mulch]

nope, when i switched them to some spare ones, they got better sound

but after some days they literally became the same

[kind helm]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message my raws, don't sound scratchy to me

[analog mulch]

idk maybe i did something wrong

and my board is super stiff

idk if maybe i did something wrong

[tawdry tree]

bro worn out his Raws in a weeks time, gg

[kind helm]

nah worn out switches are more smooth

[analog mulch]

well i played alot since i had a knee surgery

[tawdry tree]

Probably not but maybe it’s not actual scratchiness you experience? Is it on all keys?

[analog mulch]

like the ones like enter and backspace are fgine

[tawdry tree]

they should be yeah

[analog mulch]

but most of them have a weird sound

[tawdry tree]

And Lekkers were fine?

[cyan lark]

BTW @tawdry tree are those year of the snake novelties that come w/ them? (in the center)

[polar girder]

There’s a couple. But they’re pretty mid. Genty Semi-Silent and Gamakay Phoenix Silent HE

[kind helm]

genty

[analog mulch]

Tbf i didnt try them since i actually went straight to the raw he since people said they were good

[tawdry tree]

Keycaps yeah, I don’t know if they’re good yet though.

[cyan lark]

Nice. Definitely a neat pickup to have a few of in your collection.

[tawdry tree]

For $16 per box (four) it’s a fucking crime

idk why I bought them tbh 😭

[cyan lark]

💸

So you could flex on us

[tawdry tree]

Gently are NOT silent by the way. Like not at all (I have them now).

[tawdry tree]

trueeeeeeee

[kind helm]

you brought them?!

[tawdry tree]

yeah

every switch

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gary-oldman-everyone-gif-14317847

[tawdry tree]

Well my friend bought them and once every couple (months or so) he ships the switches to me

[dark cypress]

switches?

[kind helm]

you get them, they feel good, they sound good, they look good, then you spend another 100 usd to get a whole set

maybe you spend 200 more to put them on the 80s

[dark cypress]

which switches

lol

[kind helm]

then bank calls "did you get scammed?"

[dark cypress]

kom?

[cyan lark]

KoM recolor

[dark cypress]

hmmmm

[cyan lark]

Special edition for chinese new year

Do not do it

[dark cypress]

ahh gotcha lol

[kind helm]

not sure if this is just a recolor, appearantly they made some improvement

but i am certain the improvement is not worth the money

would almost certainly get those improvement later at a much cheaper price

[cyan lark]

Huh, yeah I dunno how much you could improve to justify the add'l ~50% price 🙂

Again seems neat to have 4x of, but getting a full set seems nutty

[kind helm]

what about the bar code, its collection

[tawdry tree]

I don’t know their name but it’s not a recolor, it a the (new) KoM recolor.

They were changed slightly

[analog mulch]

I dont think you can hear it proprely but i tried...

[cyan lark]

Gotcha, did not know they made real changes. Thanks for letting me know.

[kind helm]

at like 15 sec my ear got r4p3d

[analog mulch]

sorry for the noise at 15seconds xD

[cyan lark]

JESUS yeah

Fuck

[analog mulch]

i was trying to get my mic closer

my bad

[cyan lark]

Me turning up my amp's gain, Benny grinning 😈

[tawdry tree]

Here

Old vs new

[analog mulch]

maybe its my ears but they seem so scratchy and they werent like this at the start... really a turn off

[tawdry tree]

Do they sound scratchy or they feel scratchy?

[analog mulch]

i was thinking of trying the jade pro's but they are expensive

[cyan lark]

Honestly it's a bit hard to tell w/ the sound quality on the recording

[tawdry tree]

Cause they can sound harsh/sharp which you may describe as scratchy?

[analog mulch]

i would say feel aswell, but i think thats probably the keycaps that are shit maybe? Idk haha

[tawdry tree]

what’s the rest of your build? plate, case

just tray for mounting?

[kind helm]

also maybe switching from mx, he switch just sounds bad + raw has leaky sound

relatively

sound bad compare to mx

[analog mulch]

i have the tofu redux, and the rest is what came with wooting module he

i switched to the poron pad btw

[cyan lark]

So steel plate

[analog mulch]

they say its PC

[cyan lark]

Still shouldn't lead to a scratchy feeling 😕

[analog mulch]

maybe i just got unlucky

[tawdry tree]

could be

[tawdry tree]

with all your raws though, that’s kinda too unlucky

do you like the sound profile of raws? cause you said you were looking for silent switches which are drastically different in sound (obviously).

[analog mulch]

or maybe its my ears XD

[little glen]

could just be that the lube settled, that will change the sound profile over time

[analog mulch]

well i liked them in the first week, before they seemed scratchy, to me i dont listen to them if im gaming, its just my wife that complains xD , that's why i was looking for something smooth and silent

maybe i should try to lube them, i just dont know how to, but ill watch some youtube videos xD

[tawdry tree]

you could try phoenixes but they aren’t smoother or as smooth. They are just silent

[little glen]

lubing could help in the short term but if you want a quieter keyboard try stuffing it with foam or similar

[analog mulch]

i think i will send a pack of 10 to try, if i like them ill use them

[cyan lark]

I dunno if Tofu supports it, but friction mounting would also quiet it down quite a bit

[analog mulch]

hum, i was thinking of buying the optimum case

maybe ill try it

[kind helm]

tofu can do friction mount, but it mainly helps with the corners in my experience

#1308938534224138270 message time to flex my foam tape mount

[night atlas]

@analog mulch so I’ve had a problem with scratchy switches, ws dashes, jade pros

I have almost the exact same config as you, tofu redux 60, pc plate, Poron foam

So far my Raws have been fine, but i do know the feeling of the switches sounding good for about a week, then sounding and feeling scratchy. Almost tactile

[marsh saffron]

Idk how well it works with wootings pad, but my tofu build is oring friction mounted

Plate mount stabs tho

[night atlas]

Matter fact I’ve been b*tching about em on here for a couple weeks now haha, thankfully the raws I have aren’t like that…. Yet

I chalked it up to being really unlucky and getting two bad batches in a row lol

[kind helm]

tofu with brass weight would be better than optimum case in terms of sound because of the weight difference.

[tawdry tree]

Almost tactile is crazy

[cyan lark]

I don't think any reasonable person here doubts you guys, just haven't experienced anything like it.

[night atlas]

Oh yea, not saying any of you guys are doubters, i wouldn’t blame you if you did esp cause its super hard to record what we hear accurately

And yea, some were tactile ish lol

[analog mulch]

i do have it... xD the tofu with brass weight

[night atlas]

It fucking sucked

[analog mulch]

exactly, i couldnt seem to record accurately the sratchy sound but its super weird

[tawdry tree]

Maybe factory lube is more inconsistent or changed to something worse.

[kind helm]

i mean the easiest way to isolate the problem is to pull a switch out, put it close to your ear and press it

[analog mulch]

its super weird to the point that it seems that its the keycaps rubbing the tips against each other

idk

[kind helm]

see if that sounds scratchy

[cyan lark]

Maybe it is 😨

[night atlas]

Yea i did that

It was def the switch

About half of them did that

Hand lubing didn’t do much

I legit think it was just a shitty batch

[tawdry tree]

it kinda sounds like the friction you get when you don’t use stabs and press on the far edge of those keys.

what keycaps are you using?

[kind helm]

raw

[night atlas]

Thankfully raws aren’t too expensive, there’s a lotta good options in terms of price to performance ratio, so replacements aren’t that hard to come by. My poor PC plate has been taking a lot of abuse though lol

[analog mulch]

Sorry for not being loud, my microphone is shit

[night atlas]

I got some jade maxes as a gift, i wonder if i should take the risk and try em jaja

[analog mulch]

this is my D

[analog mulch]

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[analog mulch]

3rd to the 4th second i think you can hear it

[kind helm]

maybe there is a bad batch then

[tawdry tree]

I thought maybe you used a tall profile or something but nope. Kinda insane question but do you eat a lot at your keyboard or something? Or is your room very dusty?

Maybe that could cause it?

Or a bad batch indeed but that’d be very very unlucky.

[kind helm]

nah ain no way LMFAO

[tawdry tree]

😭😭

[night atlas]

Hopping in this convo even tho you weren’t asking me, my room can get dusty, but I

[tawdry tree]

idfk man

[night atlas]

Ive never experienced this on any of my other boards

Could it be that Hall effect switches are more susceptible to dust

[analog mulch]

not really, i actually have mild adhd, i am clean freak...

[tawdry tree]

Ah

[tawdry tree]

their stems are slightly bigger but I doubt it.

[analog mulch]

the only thing that i can point out, is that my room gets a lot of humidity

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think that’d have any effect tbh

relubing is not hard by the way, just takes time

can be either tedious or relaxing

[kind helm]

clean the middle part with the hole with like a tissue or something and see

just do one and see if that works

[marsh saffron]

Its both

The first bit are relaxing, but after a bit it gets tedious

[kind helm]

maybe somehow the middle part was watery and it can sound scratchy

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, it’s a test of patience of sorts.

[analog mulch]

to be fair, i had the ducky one 2 mini before, and blue switches, had rubber keycaps and this board (wooting with tofu) seems higher quality but at the same time its alot stiffer when typing, and i think i liked the rubery feelin on the keycaps, maybe im a freak but idk

[marsh saffron]

After about 30-40 switches my brain starts to die

[analog mulch]

ill try one to see if theres a problem

[uneven cradle]

I just load up a good TV show and start getting to work

[night atlas]

Bro switch lubing is the only time I can sit thru a movie lmaooo

[uneven cradle]

Lord of the rings trilogy extended edition should be long enough

[night atlas]

Ill get about 40 done lmao

[kind helm]

before you know it you overlube like 50 of them and now you gotta spam your keys

[night atlas]

Prior alcoholism and boxing is not helping my steady hands or lack thereof

I keep dropping shit

And it disappears into thin air

God forbid i drop a spring

[uneven cradle]

I always do a little test run with different levels of lube for 2-3 switches and see which one feels/sounds best

[night atlas]

Which lubes have you used for the stem and housing

And which ones did u like the best

Or is it a per switch basis

[uneven cradle]

I just used 205g0 for stems and housing and 105 for the springs

[night atlas]

Oh isn’t that the standard

[uneven cradle]

Very light coating of 205g0

[analog mulch]

If there was a switch lubing service in Portugal I would gladly pay…

[night atlas]

Idk im kinda new to this keyboard stuff

[analog mulch]

Thank you btw!

[analog mulch]

and thank you 2!

[tawdry tree]

get friends to do it for you! friend exploitation 😍🥰

[analog mulch]

😂😂😂😂

[night atlas]

Oh also, when opening up my raws, i noticed the factory lube was a lot thinner than your typical 205g0

Does anyone know what they use

[magic plume]

Ordering my first Wooting 60he module but stuck on what switches to get. I mainly play fps games

[tawdry tree]

clone probably, it’s thicker than what they previously used for black knights and teals/yellows alike.

that was straight up oil

[night atlas]

Yea, i kinda liked it tho and do wanna try it

On other switches

To experiment

[polar girder]

If what work

[calm pulsar]

these nuts

sorry I was waiting

[polar girder]

Ayyyyy

[calm pulsar]

who knows maybe nour wanted to do this

[kind helm]

i think he sent a link or something earlier along with it

but he deleted it

[hollow heart]

Has anyone had issues with Thier wooting RGB being off?

[weak knot]

i’ve heard signalRGB messes with it

[hollow heart]

What's that mean?

Cause mine is set to all white and a few show as pink.

[sacred elm]

you cant have white rgb

set it to 200 250 230

it will be closest to white

[hollow heart]

The problem being is not all of them show the same color, like some are more red then the redt

Rest

[autumn temple]

Hey guys if I get the jade pros does that mean I can still use rapid trigger and set per key actuation distance?

Just want to make sure thats true before I buy any switch I also bought a magnetic switch testor from Gateron so I can see which one I prefer and buy a full set of the m

[barren wasp]

Yes

But they can’t go past 3.5mm

[autumn temple]

Right right

Would you agree that is the best way to see which switch I like the best just get a switch testor

tester

[sacred elm]

They can

[autumn temple]

How can they go past 3.5mm? that is the switch

Thats just the way the switch was designed no?

[sacred elm]

0-4mm in wootility is like %

if you set 4mm it will work fine

its like 0-100%

[autumn temple]

I dont understand wym

Yeah but they bottom out at 3.5m

[calm pulsar]

4.0 is like a 100% setting

so on 3.5mm switch it would be 3.5 actually

[autumn temple]

Ohhhhhhh I understand

[calm pulsar]

it's jsut wootility doesnt support different switch lengths visually

[autumn temple]

Gotcha

Gotcha gotcha

@calm pulsar I remmeber I spoke with you yesterday

I ended up getting a switch tester although currently I am pretty sold on the jade pros

Wanted to get a switch tester so im 100% sure im getting the right ones that I want

[calm pulsar]

yeah jade pros are nice

[autumn temple]

Isnt it better to get a switch tester before disappointment >?

Just in case

[calm pulsar]

I also have a tester

its nice to test before using switches

[autumn temple]

I bought a magnetic switch tester from Gateron

[drowsy schooner]

does anyone know if the gateron dawn he switches are compatible with the 80he (it's not on the compatibility list)?

[autumn temple]

@calm pulsar One quick question not sure if I asked you yesterday but are the jade pros the closest you can get to best bottom out sound and feeling with magnetic switches compared to mechanical switches

[calm pulsar]

imo yes, I like the bottom out more than geon raw he

[sacred elm]

gateron what

[drowsy schooner]

https://www.keychron.com/products/gateron-double-rail-magnetic-switch?variant=41902599176281

they seems to be new

[autumn temple]

Im going to test them out and tell you what I think also arent there Ruby Gateron switches what do you think of those?

[calm pulsar]

they are jade pros, recolor

[autumn temple]

I've not really seen them talked much

Oh are they actually didnt know that

Is shine through good on the Jade pros ?

[calm pulsar]

a chinese new years special

[calm pulsar]

I dont use rgb so I dunno

it should be light green tint

[sacred elm]

these arent new

[drowsy schooner]

k

[half atlas]

Do any low profile switches work on the 60/80?

[kind helm]

jade pro works just have to tweak the rgb value a bit to counter out the tint

[polar girder]

Instant regret

[calm pulsar]

well you dont have to listen to me xd

mj would say raw better

[polar girder]

Yeah I usually just tweak it slightly OFF then leave it there

[kind helm]

just get both and decide later

ez

[polar girder]

lol ok

I’ve been buying too much shit lately lol

[kind helm]

but but but mj never tried jade pro

[calm pulsar]

true dat

[autumn temple]

Who is MJ?

[polar girder]

Still need Nocts and Vanilla Karambit too

[polar girder]

Lurker on this discord

lol

[autumn temple]

oh

[polar girder]

A fellow keyboard enthusiast with strong opinions

[autumn temple]

Michael Jackson?

jk

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-hehe-boi-yas-gif-14349083

[half atlas]

What causes the regular jades to not work?

[kind helm]

same thing, just tweak the rgb value a bit to counter out the green

[night atlas]

What’s the friction issue that people mention with the jade maxes

Is it just scratchy when typing at an angle

[shut adder]

this switch work on venom60 pcb:

or no

[glacial wind]

Don’t think so, but you’d never really want them anyway

[shut adder]

why

[glacial wind]

Very mediocre old switch

there’s a million better options now

[stone flax]

shit

[shut adder]

my young brother want this cuz he like the sound

[stone flax]

no he doesnt

[glacial wind]

There’s a ton of other switches also with good sound

[calm pulsar]

he probably watched a random video with them

there are better switches

[shut adder]

he was with the polar68 keyboard

with this switch

[glacial wind]

If you really want to then you can buy the orange dual rail switches which are basically these - but they’ll be worse than almost everything else he can buy now

[stone flax]

its a bad tolerance open bottom

like literally

[shut adder]

can u send me the link:

[stone flax]

worse than what he has now

buy jade mini e

[shut adder]

he want the jade pro

[stone flax]

incompatible

[glacial wind]

Just Google gateron orange dual rail. But really just buy any other newer switch and it’ll both sound and feel better

[shut adder]

KS-20

[calm pulsar]

wait so he has a board equipped with these switches?

[glacial wind]

Raw he or jade pro will crush these

[shut adder]

i go with jade pro

[glacial wind]

he’s asking for a venom. His brother is using polar68 right now it sounds like

[stone flax]

dude

[stone flax]

why blud want open bottom dual rail

And expect jade pro to be any similar

drop the expectation and get a better switch in general

[sacred elm]

give him a break

[stone flax]

ill give him 5 minutes 🫡

👅

[sacred elm]

not everybody sits here 24/7 like you

[stone flax]

mhm

[glacial wind]

Can’t wait for another dm of “hey can I dm you because I just wanted to ask some questions about switches without being judged”

[cyan lark]

You could just not be like this.

[mossy cloud]

how about you just get over the fact that some people need to overcompensate by being "the best" at their hobbies

who cares if I make people feel like shit, I am the bestestest and such

[glacial wind]

It’s not worth. I’ve tried to explain before how people need to chill but it’s never worked

[vestal ibex]

the temptation to dm that exact question. dont worry ill hold myself back

[glacial wind]

It’d be nice if folks can be more welcoming and less judgey to newer folks who don’t know as much. Being condescending to newer folks just turns them off the hobby and makes them not chat more

[vestal ibex]

i do astrophotographyy as a hobby, which has an incredibly high learning curve, so asking for help a lot of the time is one of the best ways to learn about the hobby, but ive also noticed a lotta people in the hobby tend to be surprised and slightly offended when someone new to the hobby knows nothing lol.

[cyan lark]

My love affair with the salvation continues. I need to find out if there's anything like this in a 75% or TKL.

[glacial wind]

Btw are we taking bets on whether finalmouse will take orders today for their keyboard or if it’ll be just reveal for a later order date

I’m more curious to see if it really is just the same tech we saw in the magic lcd oem board that was sent out to influencers last year

[cyan lark]

This is the one that's supposed to destroy Wooting as a company, right?

[glacial wind]

*destroy the world as a company

And give enlightenment etc or whatever other insane marketing spill finalboy is saying these days

[sacred elm]

finalboy

[cyan lark]

I mean I know marketing has gotta do their thing, but there is such a thing as poor taste

[uneven cradle]

These days? He's been at it a while

You wouldn't understand not a freethinker

[glacial wind]

This stream is the true finalmouse experience

[night atlas]

fr yo some of y’all needa touch grass 😭 everyone was a beginner with questions at one point

[glacial wind]

This stream live announcement time was for the start of the countdown to the actual stream start

amazing that they can bring the finalmouse experience to a livestream start

[ionic breach]

cant lie

fking funny

[jade storm]

no way

[regal nest]

You can't make this shit up

All that company is good for is making products for people to flip

[uneven cradle]

Nice

[regal nest]

Product reveal today, sale in a month, shipping in 6 months, announcement of the shipping delay in 5 months, actual delivery January 26

[loud zephyr]

I'm so conflicted, on one hand i need an excuse to buy a good shiny new toy; on the other, FM is just hot garbage. But ooga booga freethinking

[kind helm]

fck the moral high ground

information is information, its nice to be respectful in a certain way but i personally dont think anyone should be obligated to be acting like pr

[glacial wind]

That’s what assholes say though.

sometimes if you can’t be nice or not condescending then it’s ok to not say anything.

[ionic breach]

usually questions that get annoying for me is having to resolve stupid misinformation hundreds of times

but atp i just dont talk and hope someone else answers it lmao

[kind helm]

i agree, but i think its like a decision for each person to make, instead of being judged when they act in a certain manner

[glacial wind]

end of the day it’s a public discord for a company. If folks want to behave like that go do it in private discord

[kind helm]

if this discord start to ban people for teasing others this channel would be dead af

[glacial wind]

you don’t get an excuse for behaving like an asshole in public - folks are going to say “hey why are you acting like that” when you do it in public

[glacial wind]

or maybe I’d get less messages like this

[ionic breach]

mf he kept the countdown

bro i have chinese new year to get to

[glacial wind]

Having a channel be “dead” because you can’t talk like a normal nice person means the channel wasn’t worth keeping

[kind helm]

1 and a half hr for me, just drinking alone in a foreign city

[kind helm]

thats like 100% of the support channels i have been in. except for the ones where the only people responding are the mods

of course at the same time just because they are that way doesnt meant its right

[glacial wind]

Yeah but this is a 100k member discord

[regal nest]

There's plenty of people new to the hobby with questions. And there's plenty of people like sno that are happy to help. This channel for sure doesn't need people who just shit talk people's buying decisions and preferences

[kind helm]

the thing is no one is actually talking shit

i think its pretty easy to spot when someone is hostile

[ionic breach]

generally shit talk just comes from people wanting others to not buy products that might waste them money

[kind helm]

also i think that is just bro being nice, which is wholesome

[regal nest]

There is one guy here I read often mjj or something who always talks down to people and their purchases or opinions

[kind helm]

but at the same time you cant deny that he is giving good insight

[ionic breach]

hes a good guy

[regal nest]

He tried to tell me buying a switch opener is a waste of money

[kind helm]

good guy is a bit of a stretch maybe but i fck with that kind of attitude

[ionic breach]

just very adament sometimes

[regal nest]

And honestly I don't care if someone has knowledge if his attitude is condescending

[ionic breach]

makes sense but he is one of the most helpful people here

[kind helm]

i am not gonna say what i want to say. i think people should learn to just chill and know that its just all teasing and fcking around. big channel or smaller ones it doesnt matter. maybe i am fcked in the head but people who know more to me should have more or less the privilege to act a tiny bit condescending.

since the one with more knowledge essentially is trying to help you

regradless of his/her tone

[calm pulsar]

true and also tape mod sucks

jk jk

[thorn zealot]

Foam sucks too

[thorn zealot]

And they are also essentially saving u time and money

[kind helm]

i guess i am not the only one fcked in the head

[thorn zealot]

Nah I just don’t take discord msgs seriously

It’s discord

[uneven cradle]

There's a blurred line on a lot of personal preference topics though, just because it's what you think is best doesn't always mean it is to everybody

[ionic breach]

i respected that but admittedly i do the opposite

people waste time and money anyways

so id just not gunna stress them out over it

[thorn zealot]

Yeah but that’s true with everyone

[kind helm]

there should be like a pinned message about it. mr. shafie recommends jade pro to anyone who is looking for a new switch

[ionic breach]

especially when bliss takes you very far with newer people

the default wooting is already mind blowing for some

[cyan lark]

Moral high ground?

[sacred elm]

yea surely they have right to act like an asshole if they sit in 1000 keyboard discords and they know everything

[cyan lark]

That dude is a jerk to people on the regular. There is a minimal level of decency people should show others. It isn’t even difficult. If you think I’m putting myself above mj in terms of showing common decency I’m sorry, because yeah I think I and most others here do treat each other decently.

[kind helm]

as i said, i am probably fcked in the head, but i just think information is more important than tone

[cyan lark]

Not like you have to be a saint but man it’s like some weird edgelord shit at times and you really should not feel inspired by it

[sacred elm]

lol

[icy dew]

I've been looking everywhere for Double-Shot PBT keycaps, and I've compiled a list, some might be dye-sub, but most are double shot.

https://kprepublic.com/en-de/products/ghost-judges-doubleshot-keycap-for-mx-keyboard-60-65-87-104-wob-bow-dmg-apollo-fishing-shoko-nautilus-marrs-green-blue-samurai?variant=43124366049443
https://kprepublic.com/en-de/collections/pbt-double-shot-keycaps/products/ghost-judges-gj-shimmer-dim-light-colorway-cherry-pbt-doubleshot-keycap-for-mx-keyboard-60-65-87-104-gh60-xd64-xd68-bm60-bm65
https://kprepublic.com/en-de/collections/pbt-double-shot-keycaps/products/ghost-judges-industrial-style-cherry-pbt-doubleshot-keycap-for-mx-keyboard-60-65-87-104-bm60-bm65-similar-with-heavy-industry
https://www.maxgaming.fi/fi/keycaps/obsidian-fusion-pbt-double-shot-keycaps-set
https://novelkeys.com/collections/gmk/products/gmk-olivia-no3?variant=43027482509479
https://pbt.fans/products/pbtfans-doubleshot-bow
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/tut-manga-cherry-profile-keycaps-set?_pos=6&_fid=43a7e400a&_ss=c
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-doubleshot-spark?_pos=4&_fid=8aa6ac475&_ss=c&variant=40112198713483
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-dolch?_pos=6&_fid=8aa6ac475&_ss=c&variant=40961183416459
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-doubleshot-resonance?_pos=9&_fid=8aa6ac475&_ss=c&variant=40769837170827
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/retro-100?_pos=12&_fid=8aa6ac475&_ss=c&variant=41903642116235
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-resonance-r2?_pos=31&_fid=8aa6ac475&_ss=c&variant=42161664360587
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-frontier?_pos=46&_fid=3c33934bc&_ss=c&variant=41417074475147
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-twist-r2?_pos=51&_fid=3c33934bc&_ss=c&variant=42405742608523

[cyan lark]

That’s a lot of links

[ionic breach]

oh finalmouse made the keycap and switches proprietary

[kind helm]

oh yea for sure i would agree it is not something that should be considered as like a amiable thing, i just think that calling out this kind of behavior is dumb as fck

[cyan lark]

Huh that seems like a bad idea

[kind helm]

sry sir i drink a bit too much maybe

[chilly mural]

I... why does playing flappy bird on a keyboard matter?

[thorn zealot]

U deciding on getting one or

[ionic breach]

in theory this makes it quiet af

[uneven cradle]

Well the finalmouse keyboard sounds horrible can confirm

[icy dew]

i will get double shot pbt. But i'm not sure which one I want. I'm still open to searching more to find some, but there's very few places that actually sell them, and at a good quality

PBTfans seems to be the best

[ionic breach]

idm it

[glacial wind]

No I mean this message is one of many I receive AFTER they’ve been berated by mj or similar and want to talk to me in private because they don’t want to be talked down on in the public discord

[calm pulsar]

imagine a mouse called finalkeyboard

[uneven cradle]

Sounds like a rubber dome

[ionic breach]

they make a few experimental changes

cool to see what comes from this

[thorn zealot]

I mean good dye sub are still good

Like cannonkeys

[chilly mural]

$350~

welp, just hope it has all key 0.12ms latency

[thorn zealot]

Can u by chance cut that list down to a less broad list

[icy dew]

yeah but i want the "best quality" whatever that means, and i want like a thockier/deeper sound, and i think double shot is the best for that

[kind helm]

i am not sure that is the cause, ofc not to disagree, because that can very well be the case, but some people just prefer dm. i got a few too. i told them there is more knowledgable people than me but i think some people just perfer dm

[thorn zealot]

Oh alr

[thorn zealot]

Is there a color scheme u want

Like to match ur case

So u can shorten ur searching and list

[tawdry tree]

No, not compatible. Horizontal magnet orientation.

[glacial wind]

i am 100% sure that is the cause because they told me that literally after mj berated them lol

[kind helm]

fck then i'd say they found the right person to ask

[glacial wind]

look i get that for you personally you don't seem to care and it's about 'information' as you put it. But a lot of people do care and the discord will survive just fine without that behaviour, just like it did before

and it's not just me, as you've seen plenty of other people have noticed the behaviour and are over it

it's not going to kill the discord just because a few of us tell someone to stop being a dick

[kind helm]

i want to say grow a pair but you already called me a a33 for saying that so yes sir i agree

i am not mature i know

[cyan lark]

Got it so figured out

That keyboard does seem unappealing to me at least.

[icy dew]

not really. i just want something that looks good, which can be a lot of stuff

[thorn zealot]

What looks good to u

[regal nest]

I actually expected new tech from the FM release

It's a fucking screen inside a hall effect keyboard

[glacial wind]

yeah i wasn't expecting much from finalmouse event but this is even less than what I was expecting lol

[regal nest]

Is this what I stayed up for

[cyan lark]

I mean there’s proprietary tech which is… something

[chilly mural]

Hope it's good

especially for rhythm game usage

[calm pulsar]

to me mj seems like a kid who learned a lot about keyboards and likes to get competitive about it

so I can see how some people are surprised to see strong opinions out of the blue about keyboard things

[uneven cradle]

Did they announce a release date or just announce a release date for the pre order

[icy dew]

im not sure. I'd have to see something to tell

[thorn zealot]

Ig u can look at other ppls builds

Like alexotos disc server

[cyan lark]

Knowing a lot about something doesn’t grant you a license to be an asshole.

[regal nest]

They only said when you can buy it, not when the shipping will start

[glacial wind]

is it just me or was that sound test for the board also super mediocre lol

it sounded like any other he switch

[leaden fossil]

It was very underwhelming

[fluid ravine]

@harsh dove @cold bloom

[calm pulsar]

true true, just sharing personal observations 😄

[calm pulsar]

poggies

[thorn zealot]

Ewww

[uneven cradle]

Sounded like a rubber dome to me

[chilly mural]

The sound reminds me of PS4 R1/L1 button

[kind helm]

hard disagree outside of maybe elementary school

[calm pulsar]

why ew? tx ap are decent, plus these are his first pcb mount stabs I believe

[fluid ravine]

It is

[thorn zealot]

Oh no I mean like eww in a good way

[fluid ravine]

And it's for my venom for the spacebar

[regal nest]

They were busy highlighting how pretty GIFs look on a screen instead of showing how the keyboard sounds like.

[fluid ravine]

O

[cyan lark]

God I hope you are young

[fluid ravine]

Haha

[calm pulsar]

ah ic xd

[thorn zealot]

Like when u say someone is gross at something

[ionic breach]

it's kinda concerning if a company's own sound test is kinda mid ngl

[kind helm]

i mean i am not gonna act like that but i learned so much from ass holes man its beautiful

[ionic breach]

I hope they don't sound way more worse irl

[fluid ravine]

ok how the flip do i open the packaging for the xray keycaps

ims truggling

[chilly mural]

I'm okay with the sound, more curious about the feel since the construction is like an arcade button.

[ionic breach]

lmao

top layer

[regal nest]

He Def is, first month in a work environment and that mindset will be deleted from his consciousness

[thorn zealot]

This is rly abt who cares and who doesn’t (us)

[fluid ravine]

ye

[ionic breach]

it's the top lid

[calm pulsar]

the way you separated "ass" "holes" is kinda funny
(sorry for being immature)

[ionic breach]

just use ur fingernails

[fluid ravine]

im trying 😭

[ionic breach]

and peel the edge

[glacial wind]

this summed up the finalmouse announce for me. Literally only benefit is the screen and everything else seemed mediocre nonsense

[thorn zealot]

So I get to watch a nat geo doc on my kb

Love it

[chilly mural]

not even 16k polling smh

[calm pulsar]

nice frog leggera announce

[fluid ravine]

im trying so hard rn and im like struggling to find the gap

[glacial wind]

so how many peopple had bets on this being announcement of the sale date and not the sale date itself lol

[fluid ravine]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

BRUH

[ionic breach]

[fluid ravine]

I FEEL LIKE A ABSOLUTE DUMBASSS

[valid lark]

Gonna order the Typeplus x YIKB screw-in stabilizer, will it work with 80 he? 😄

[glacial wind]

I'm pretty sure this is how people become piratesoftware

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[valid lark]

Ordering ty

[kind helm]

i legit dont know how one would still care about that kind of s44t after like undergrad

[valid lark]

Just ordered my CF plate, how do you like yours man?

[tawdry tree]

combined with pride and ego, yeah for sure.

[polar girder]

Centerpiece pro looks sweet

It even has its own GPU and cpu

No separate keycaps and switches

[tawdry tree]

🗣️🗣️

[ionic breach]

oh ya

[polar girder]

Just one unit

[thorn zealot]

Do those stabs work for venom too?

[ionic breach]

wooting gpu and cpu when?

[polar girder]

Pretty neat innovation

[ionic breach]

we need a 5090

[tawdry tree]

Yes, with a plate that supports PCB mounted stabs only.

[thorn zealot]

So the venom plate

[polar girder]

I’m not going to buy it but I think it’s neat

[thorn zealot]

Love it

[glacial wind]

i've never seen such a high amount of fluff words thrown into random slides before

[cyan lark]

They just made it less modular

[polar girder]

lol yeah they used half a dictionary to tip-toe around saying Hall Effect

Yeah it’s not modular at all lol

[cyan lark]

That to me seems like a bad thing

[tawdry tree]

So what, you gotta lube your keycaps?

[kind helm]

right because your superiors dont act like a ass around you

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[polar girder]

But you can fully customize the OLED screen lol

[polar girder]

Just take them off

[regal nest]

All I'm saying is; ''you think you want that but you don't'' wouldn't be surprised if they all talk down on each others over there and that's how piratesoftware was created

[polar girder]

Can swap springs and lube stuff still

[cyan lark]

Sure but that would be like getting lekkers and only being able to change the weight

[chilly mural]

it'll be nice to see what you can do with it

[cyan lark]

If you don’t like it that’s… it

[regal nest]

No they don't, because I'd let them know quickly. Also I wouldn't work at a place surrounded by assholes

[polar girder]

I mean it’s not for modders lol

[chilly mural]

mirroring a specific part of the game to the keyboard could be nice for rhythm game stream

[tawdry tree]

so essentially, the “key-module” is the bottom housing and the “key” is the stem which functions as a keycap as well.

[polar girder]

It’s for RGB toy kids

[tawdry tree]

I wonder how friction will be

[calm pulsar]

"that's on you bud" "figure it out"

[tawdry tree]

if it’s as smooth as they say, it would be impressive

[stone flax]

buying ts 🥱

[polar girder]

lol THOCK

YES NEED OMG WANT

Jk

Idgaf about it personally lol

I just think it’s neat

[stone flax]

👅

they shoulda put speakers in the centerpiece

so it can create thock out of thin air

[tawdry tree]

they should’ve redesigned the stabs. glass stab wire when?

[polar girder]

I need gold springs and wires rn

[cyan lark]

Yeah I suppose making changes doesn’t appeal to everyone. It’s just not for me.

[polar girder]

Fair

[calm pulsar]

lmao why now

[polar girder]

Cuz I said

Gold = mo’ better

[calm pulsar]

true and real

[glacial wind]

yeah honestly folks get out into work force and quickly realize the 'I'm going to speak my mind real type shiii. get a spine' nonsense doesn't work and actual people skills matter

[calm pulsar]

for the small price of $70 (or more) you can get a pack of gold springs from jade maxes

[stone flax]

im sorry did they really hype up codes for years just to make it so that its a 24 hour early access

💀

W

[polar girder]

Bro max is the one with gold

Ok time to farm

[polar girder]

Well they were originally making it not even HE lol

[calm pulsar]

yeah they got have jade pro springs but gold

[polar girder]

Has to scrap and reinvent

[polar girder]

Oh god

Ok need

[tawdry tree]

it’s finalmouse. 24h is like 10 years when all their shit sells out in a minute

[stone flax]

my glorious king chooses the best shortenings

[calm pulsar]

I could send you the damn springs but trump is going to put a 900% tariff on them probably xd

[polar girder]

Better hurry then

[regal nest]

Imagine berating a customer who has a different opinion than yourself. Guess the clients better grow a pair or I'll go out of business

[calm pulsar]

I think the package will have to be bigger in order for the companies to accept it, so not sure if I can send the springs only
also the price when I was calculating for Thackson was like 40 bucks

[kind helm]

i did actually got reported for making a intern feel stupid ngl. and i learned my lesson. but this is discord brother

[glacial wind]

*a public discord with 100k+ other people and not a private discord for you and your buddies

"this is the internet, it's fine" isn't good reasoning or defence for being an asshole

[cyan lark]

You don’t see any parallels here?

[fluid ravine]

just switched out my 80082 to xray, this shit looks maaddddd

the fitment on the switches is also mad tight

[regal nest]

So because it's the internet it's ok to be condescending towards people. What kinda logic is that

[fluid ravine]

i have a feeling im gonna have trouble taking them out so i can install on my venom

ill take a pic for yall in a moment

gonna move the 80082 in its box

[glacial wind]

osume fans eating good. I see they launched keyboard mats

full size desk mat versions too

[kind helm]

the comparison is kinda rough since at work its about facts but keyboard is more about preference

[stone flax]

@polar girder https://novelkeys.com/collections/frontpage/products/sa-macrodata-refinement-keycaps u seen this?

[kind helm]

but you right

[stone flax]

they turned sa dasher into a 200 dollar set

hilarious

😭

[regal nest]

I'm listening to the qna from finalboy. There's gonna be a centerpiece pro. So Prolly the fully specced out board is gonna be 500+

[stone flax]

atleast its severance merch

[glacial wind]

i think it's only the pro isn't it? The non pro is gone forever

the only difference vs early launch is the first batch is numbered i think

[regal nest]

I mean they said it's going to start at 350, implying there's going to be different versions

[chilly mural]

Mmm, does keyboard mat do anything?

[glacial wind]

i think the most underwhelming part of the announcement is they still didn't even show the proper keyboard or anything beyond this early render type thing lol

[glacial wind]

just for fun and can dampen vibration sound a little bit, but mostly aesthetics

[stone flax]

cuts out table sound for the most part

[kind helm]

i still think there is nothing wrong with talking shit, no hr or 3 white knights are gonna change that, and i am good enough at what i do to keep my position so lucky me

[cyan lark]

Fuck you for calling me a white knight, but good luck with all that.

[kind helm]

sry sir lmao

[cyan lark]

Nah

[regal nest]

You do you buddy. People surround themselves with like minded people. I'm happy not being surrounded by assholes

[glacial wind]

yeah i think this all comes down to that no one minds if you want to be assholes within your own friend groups etc, but when you're mixing with other people in public then maybe don't bring that same behaviour and expect everyone to be okay with it

[kind helm]

no i 100% agree that its nice when people are nice, but there is nothing wrong if people speak their mind you know what i mean :3

[glacial wind]

it just comes down to josh just repeatedly saying "I don't care if everyone are assholes, fine by me"

[kind helm]

yes the big thing is i dont understand why yall so mad when people are acting like ass, each have their moments just chill

[quasi hinge]

Nobody is perfect we all have our flaws

[glacial wind]

because it's about not being a dick to people in a public discord. You gotta separate small friend group behaviour and public behaviour

[kind helm]

its the internet

have you read a youtube comment section

[glacial wind]

and not all of the internet is the same

[kind helm]

that is like fcking nightmare

[glacial wind]

you automatically lose this discussion or any backing here if your defense is "well youtube comments suck so discord should suck the same too"

[kind helm]

true in a way lmao

[quasi hinge]

We have mods for a reason right, if he is breaking the rules, they will deal with it

[kind helm]

xray?

[chilly mural]

I view this argument as like 'everything is suck, so I can be suck too'

[glacial wind]

^ exactly, it's an awful line of thinking

[kind helm]

do i suck too

i thought i was nice here

[fluid ravine]

yesssirrrr

[quasi hinge]

Been nice to me

[fluid ravine]

It bootifooool

[kind helm]

the dark lords and the green goblins would come out of the forest when one is actually hostile

[fluid ravine]

i installed a pair of LP stems in my spacebar, the ticking goes hard rn

[kind helm]

[quasi hinge]

You also have to remember being diplomatic will get you more friends and places… being tactful and aware of what you are saying and how it affects people is also an important trait to have…

[fluid ravine]

i need my lube reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[kind helm]

rgb soft glow where

[fluid ravine]

oh shi u right

[kind helm]

i learned that after i got reported man i was trying to teach the interns the whole fcking summer and i got reported when their whole fcking design is my work

[quasi hinge]

Nobody is perfect but we all just try our best

[cyan lark]

You’re supposed to lift them up

Clearly you failed at that

[glacial wind]

that's why it's an actual skill to be good at teaching and have people skills

[kind helm]

yes like mr. cam's thingy "be better everyday :3"

[fluid ravine]

It's questionable

[kind helm]

gen z be soft af, some dude take me out for dinners and s44t for saying the same thing

[quasi hinge]

But you actually have to try (not saying you need to but some people here think so)

[kind helm]

i am just toxic

[cyan lark]

You kinda just sound like someone who doesn’t like to be wrong

[quasi hinge]

Just try to be more mature, and I mean that in the best way possible

[kind helm]

in dc, NEVER

irl i try my best

[quasi hinge]

I had an argument the other day

[kind helm]

LOL

[quasi hinge]

I didnt want to be wrong

[kind helm]

this has turned into a therapy section

[quasi hinge]

But in the end I realized I just didnt want to be wrong

So I apologized

✌️

[kind helm]

i apologized and said yall soft af

[quasi hinge]

Wahahaha

Im out for now

[kind helm]

yea that i agree

[kind helm]

nah some of these people are just fcked and they are not meant for a certain path

[quasi hinge]

Some eccentric people are on the autist spectrum and dont pick up social cues… I have a cousin on the spectrum

[kind helm]

s44t maybe i am autist

[quasi hinge]

Its 1 possibility haha

[calm pulsar]

ngl my no rgb preference is reinforced

[kind helm]

hmmm yee maybe for like a silver or white case it would work nicer

[fluid ravine]

im getting silver leggera :p

i wish they had white

[calm pulsar]

yeah its his original plan for frog I think

[kind helm]

i am itchy for a sivler leggera

[calm pulsar]

nahh silver is elite (biased)

[kind helm]

no actually based, silver works with lighter color and darker ones

[calm pulsar]

I love my frog with wob/black snail but also with vintage sets as well

[kind helm]

but yea idk, i try to think about it, like 90% of them just trying to get the credit "oh i worked for this organization" and like 10% of them tried a little bit to actually produce some result but man... spent one whole ass month on the wrong dirction... i tried to say like "yea good try" but when the deadline was getting close i was trying to make sure they get the shit done

its fcking hard bro

[fluid ravine]

well luckily black and silver should be the first two colors to release :>

[kind helm]

get the silver one if you can 100% since you have optimum for a black case

[cyan lark]

Yes it is hard to do well, and some people will fail, just as you will

[fluid ravine]

yup yu

im all in for silver

[cyan lark]

As will and have I. People fuck up sometimes or aren’t cut out for some jobs. Doesn’t make them lesser people

[fluid ravine]

Dr Dave helped me choose my color

[kind helm]

my old advisor does it way better in terms of using words to soften the blow i am trying to learn that s44t. "oh maybe that major/ that career is a better fit for you"

[cyan lark]

It’s just more useful guidance than browbeating someone for their errors. Give them a path forward.

Sounds like a good advisor

[glacial wind]

there’s a good segment in Randy pausch’s the last lecture actually about that

[harsh dove]

very noice

[kind helm]

hes the greatest, i am just a boy trying to make sure i get my s44t done/ meet my promise. not like i didn't try to be patient, my fcking throat got hurt from talking about the proper process. so i understand one may sound condescending at times but its just about learning and getting better and its nothing personal

[fluid ravine]

shared some pictures somewhere in chat

these keycaps kinda sound more higher pitched than gmk

or gmk sounds more fuller i suppose

[glacial wind]

https://youtu.be/ji5_MqicxSo?si=2Cs_JMz_m1Il4EU6&t=1274 - one of the best teachers and talks about this topic for a bit in this segment. This video might have been before your time probably

[calm pulsar]

maybe cause the stem/outer shell is designed differently compared to gmk

[kind helm]

i legit just found that same video like 10 sec ago

but thanks

[glacial wind]

starts at timestamp where he talks about how he got to become a disney imagineer

[kind helm]

LOL

[glacial wind]

but whole thing is honestly worth watching. Super smart guy who left some very wise words for future people growing up

[fluid ravine]

would make sense

i mean the closest different quality keycap that would sound closest to gmk would be DCX i suppose

[calm pulsar]

kkb as well I think

[kind helm]

bro was born in where i am rn fate is interesting.

[harsh dove]

If you're looking for good people to listen to, alongside Randy Pausch, check out Napoleon Hill, Earl Nightingale, and Bob Proctor

[calm pulsar]

net even jade pro smh

[vapid leaf]

anyone have any experience using ceramic keycaps on magnetic switches for gaming

[fluid ravine]

@quiet bay

[kind helm]

btw i hope to god that you didn't just jinx my paper, i need that shit to work out

[calm pulsar]

ggs its over

[kind helm]

nah i worked one whole ass year on that

[fluid ravine]

@harsh dove has your xray shined yet?

was gonna ask if it has a weird shine and what does it feel like once it's smoothen

cus this thang is textured af

[night atlas]

I'm gonna say something many people might not like

i put jade max switches on my stab keys only and they sound kinda fire...

the rest are raws

[tawdry tree]

more people need to mix switches

it’s good

and under appreciated.

[night atlas]

felt like this for a sec

[uneven cradle]

Do most HE boards support mixing switches like that?

[tawdry tree]

With proper calibration, yeah. Woot, Hemu, Rakka, Venom, etc.

Unrelated but very well written articles about latency and how everything works. Applies to Woot as well so pretty nice if someone asks/is interested:
https://rakka.dev/docs/what_is_latency
https://rakka.dev/docs/behind_hall_effect_keyboard

[kindred sandal]

is there much news on Aim Bone80

I haven't seen 1 person even look at it lol

looks great

wonder if it's legit

[fluid ravine]

oh also checked both spacebars 6.25u and 7u, perfectly straight, thank god

[fluid ravine]

we already have

basically a clone of the Gt80

pretty sure it's more expensive as well

price alone

without shipping and shi

[calm pulsar]

it looks totally different

I like that it is more square compared to gt80, but it has some weird details that put me off personally

[fluid ravine]

Does it?

Hmm I swore we talked abt it before

[uneven cradle]

how do you power a centerpiece type keyboard? surely that's beyond the limits of USB

[fluid ravine]

Ima take a look at it in a bit

[calm pulsar]

you mean cases where the port is in the middle

?

[uneven cradle]

na keyboards that have a full screen, cpu and gpu on top of being HE and 8K

[glacial wind]

I did some research into exactly what is the venom warranty btw @uneven cradle - beyond that screenshot it seems there isn't really a warranty besides initial check of the pcb if you receive it broken

[chilly mural]

Maybe they have a special plug that transfer 100w of power and data

[calm pulsar]

ah ic, well I guess usb-c provides quite a bit of power

[chilly mural]

And you need to plug 1 to the wall and 1 to pc.

[glacial wind]

not that this makes venom a bad product, it's just a hobby product with a much more limited warranty that expires after you receive it and install it

[sacred elm]

L warranty

[calm pulsar]

also it seems there are 2 variants of it, both look diff from gt-80 imo

@fluid ravine

[harsh dove]

that's fair I guess but kinda rough for a lot of newer peeps in the scene

[uneven cradle]

yeah some guy asked recently, although it was another PCB and geon answered with this

[harsh dove]

(for the warranty)

[glacial wind]

yeah it's why i don't really recommend those products to non keyboard hobby people

[sacred elm]

thats not fair at all

[glacial wind]

still think geon is a good guy and in that thread he offered to sell a discounted replacement to the guy, but it's definitely very different to having a proper 2-4 year worldwide warranty like wooting

not comparable offerings when it comes to coverage of warranty at all

[sacred elm]

4 year warranty is insanity ngl

[chilly mural]

As long as a phone

[glacial wind]

honestly 4 years is pretty insane

like when i sold my old 60he, being able to tell the guy it still has 2 years warranty on the pcb failing was really nice

[sacred elm]

I still havent listed my 60he for sale

[chilly mural]

Sell it for $50

[sacred elm]

nahhuh

[chilly mural]

Waow

[sacred elm]

60he pro

[solar tundra]

Any thoughts about the Centerpiece? It looks and sound rly good tho

[tawdry tree]

How exactly does one test a HE keyboard (without RGB) without installing switches? Just plug it in, see if it gets recognized and then it’s good?! 🤣

[chilly mural]

Hmm, if it has 0.20ms latency or lower and the software is as good as wooting I think it can be nice.

That's what I expect for $350 anyway

[sacred elm]

oh I highly doubt it will have performance as good as wooting lol

[chilly mural]

we'll see

[calm pulsar]

that screen is such a gimmick lol

[sacred elm]

also it looks very mid at least for me

some like that ultra mega rgb keyboards

[night atlas]

How does one fix stab ticking after tuning, lubing, and putting film for it on the PCB?

Nothing I do seems to be working

[kind helm]

normal people if they want the "best" experienice should probably just get a 80he and call it a day

you get nice typing experience and gaming experience with it

[kind helm]

what would be interesting is that if wooting do warranty for people who gets it second hand. maybe can sell it for a higher price?

i was asking if any of my boys wants the wooting60, no one wants to fck with a 60% board

[kind helm]

i think he did this thing where he hover a switch over the pcb and it was enough to actuate it but i am not 100% sure, i think i saw it on a stream he did

[tawdry tree]

Oh yeah, that works. Did he quickly hover over all the keys and that’s how the test is passed?

[kind helm]

i just checked a random vid on youtube and it looks like he presses down and glide over the the pcb

[sacred elm]

You can transfer it to other person

[glacial wind]

yeah transfer is real easy. I transferred mine to the new buyer and it's in his hub as if he ordered it

[kind helm]

nice, i probably upgrade one of my board at some point with different switch and cap, then i can use those old switches with wooting pcb and tofu redux to make a decent board

gud to know

[sacred elm]

https://help.wooting.io/article/79-transferring-ownership-of-an-order

[peak breach]

Wooting holy80 case when

[left depot]

what makes it holy? blessed by the pope?

[austere creek]

pope sander yes

[glossy pagoda]

Wololol

[left depot]

yesterday he got demoted from editor and now he is pope, damn

[austere creek]

isnt pope a demotion from editor?

[austere creek]

https://tenor.com/view/wololo-age-of-empires-empires-szaman-shaman-gif-21642499

[left depot]

[crisp acorn]

my wooting keys feel so wobbly and unstable and sometimes the key registers as being input and the key gets spammed even though im not even pressing that key any modded fix for me?

im using a tofu 60 redux with lekker60s and stock everything else

[little glen]

try other switches

[crisp acorn]

any reccos?

[little glen]

geon raw he or gateron jade pro

[crisp acorn]

how different are the two performance wise? the geon and gateron

or are they like the same

[little glen]

they have a different sound profile

and some people like the feel of one over the other

geon is cheaper so if ur not sure you can try to go for that first

or look up some sound tests and see what you like more

[crisp acorn]

i was looking through sound tests and the wuque studio dash sounded hella nice, is that a valid option

[little glen]

i would only recommend the 2 i said and ttc pom (tho that one is very expensive)

ttc pom is expensive to the point where it is not worth it imo

i think jade pro should be close to wuque studio dash

[crisp acorn]

oaky thanks

[vapid oracle]

https://x.com/finalmouse/status/1884456603224776935?s=46&t=kOyZPJo4T0IjGpmVT4AWuw

Finalmouse (@finalmouse) on X

Introducing Centerpiece Pro

X · Jan 29, 2025, 4:20 AM

Watcha guys think?

[tidal frigate]

They tried to do wooting layout

[chilly mural]

There should be a conversation about it 8 hours ago. But IMO, if it can do 0.20ms latency or lower, have software as good as wooting, and QC better than wooting. I can see it being very good especially when the community start playing around with it and introducing feature that makes the RBG more 'fun'.

[vapid oracle]

Yeah it would be interesting to see how well it performs.

[tidal frigate]

It starts at 350usd

So

1k keyboard

[cyan lark]

I think merging caps with switches seems like a poor idea from a customization and maintenance perspective, but we’ll see. Didn’t do anything for me personally but I suspect I’m not the target demo.

[chilly mural]

Doesn't seem to bad for me as long as they provide replacement.

[tidal frigate]

Boardzy will shill for this keyboard

100%

[chilly mural]

also like, 80he - F row is uhh... With thicc bezel too. I don't know what to think about that

[vapid oracle]

Okay let’s be realistic now it ain’t gonna be a 1k keyboard but defiantly a big chunk out of the bank account

[chilly mural]

Remember you either get it at $350 or if you have to buy it from scalper.

[tidal frigate]

No it is 65%

[tidal frigate]

No it starts at 350 and there is more expensive version

[vapid oracle]

Yeah true. I had no problem buying products from finalmouse you just need to buy it right away after release time

[tidal frigate]

Who has more money? Finalmouse people or wooting nerds

[glacial wind]

i think it'll sell well purely cause it's finalmouse, but we won't know anything about it for a long time anyway because their delivery date won't be anytime soon

it's orders only on the 1st, delivery probably mid to late this year I'd assume

[tidal frigate]

Wonder if eyejoker is going to test it

With bilibili nerds

[vapid oracle]

Most defiantly shipping will be awhile I waited for my final mouse well over 6 months+

[glacial wind]

i think performance wise it's going to be a giant pain in the ass for them to make it perform well too

[tidal frigate]

Thats more than wooting wtf

[tidal frigate]

But it has true 8k

[vapid oracle]

I mean it’s finalmouse if your a OG you know that’s just how it works.

[chilly mural]

idk how they'll do the screen+keyboard. Either they have a board for the keyboard and a seperate board for screen that takes in the same data as the computer for processing, or the CPU that handle the screen is also the CPU that does the keyboard.

[tidal frigate]

They didnt make g502 aint buying their trash

[vapid oracle]

Okay then don’t buy it😂

[glacial wind]

well it's been done already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdcWLiCzffU this but with he switches basically

[tidal frigate]

Cpu + gpu

[vapid oracle]

With actual switches It would feel a lot better

[glacial wind]

i think structure wise there's just a mountain to climb to make it sound, feel and perform like a top tier keyboard and i don't know if finalmouse can do that

feels like you either pick one - lcd screen or two - really nice feeling and sounding keyboard, but doing both is insanely hard

[tidal frigate]

And basic version is 350usd

Also it is weird wooting layout

[glacial wind]

and there's this:

the tolerances are not even figured out yet for the keycaps. Which means they definitely can't be doing firmware tuning either yet for low sensitivities so it sounds like they have so much to figure out

it's just standard finalmouse. He makes a checklist of 'this is what everyone wants to hear for features' then they'll sell it without actually seemingly having done it yet

then maybe a year later on version 3 they figure it out

[cyan zodiac]

this is what i hate about final mouse

they do batches and each batch is diff

and they make upgrades to it

so the people who are in the first batch are test subjects

[vapid oracle]

Basically sadly😅😅

[reef oar]

well at that price point, i think most people with a wooting are sticking with a wooting and parents aren't gonna be buying it for their kids

i imagine they sell less than they thought, or clear their inventory a lot slower than they thought atleast

[tawdry tree]

It could support many layouts (I hope they will). The board is not limited by the big ass LEDs per key but just the HE sensor.