🔧│keyboard_modding

[tawdry tree]

with “the lowest latency”

we’ll see if that ends up being true

[kindred sandal]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-jade-pro-switch-set
comes factory lube, anyone have experience with these, are the factory lubes good enough or should I lube it also

[sacred elm]

Factory lube is good enough but you can just bag lube springs and it will sound a lot cleaner

[glacial wind]

specs basically mean nothing

[tawdry tree]

The M6Lite is already very very low

so even if they do

it’s not really a selling point

[high sphinx]

yeah i know but i was just wondering if u guys had seen it

[tawdry tree]

bragging rights tho

😃👍

[glacial wind]

We’ve kind of reached the point now where specs don’t mean anything when we’re past 8k. It’s just using yet another oem board

All the oems have these specs or similar nowadays

[tawdry tree]

optimization can be shit tho

the 66 has true 8k or somewhat true 8k but still latency is “high” compared to other boards

[glacial wind]

Specs are like a fancy body kit at this point. They don’t tell you whether a keyboard is good or bad

[marsh saffron]

36k scan rate sounds quite uhh

Scammy to me

[glacial wind]

Your Ferrari looking car could be a Ferrari or it could be a Toyota with Ferrari tires

[tawdry tree]

300K KEY SCAN 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[marsh saffron]

WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN🗣️🗣️🗣️

[sacred elm]

🔥

[marsh saffron]

We speaking gibberish on the spec sheet today

[tawdry tree]

it’s 300K something something

maybe 75K scan on WASD

= 300K

[glacial wind]

The m6 lite and such have been kings of bs spec sheet rankings since forever now too for example

[marsh saffron]

0.005mm actuation point is about to go hard

The humidity in my room is gonna counter strafe for me

[sacred elm]

real

[tawdry tree]

m6lite scores really high on mosts tests thrown at it. As far as I’ve seen currently.

[glacial wind]

Claims first by a mile on ice king and other Chinese reviewer rankings of random stats, but then when eyejoker actually tested it none of that converted into actual latency wins lol

they just win by using weird metrics for things like accuracy

[marsh saffron]

0.001mm rapid trigger

Rapid trigger more sensitive than the thickness of my hair

[glacial wind]

in the end they just use weird metrics to position themselves first but end up no better than venom etc in latency results

not that their boards are necessarily bad, but they don't perform any better in reality than the other 50 boards with similar mcu/scan

[marsh saffron]

Yeah it seems they are all trying to advertise some sort of breakthrough to rival wooting

Yet they all just end up being basically the same as each other

[tawdry tree]

slow, I need more zeros

[marsh saffron]

Need that atomic sensitivity

[tawdry tree]

does eyejoker have the board latency tester yet?

[near kestrel]

Guys, you can help me, I just received my set of keycaps ISO FRENCH AZERTY, and I don't have a MODE key I don't know how to do it

[glacial wind]

It’s all weird stuff like “oh if you measure accuracy to the 7th decimal the m6 is so much better than every other board!” Then turns out that value is pointless in actual use

[glacial wind]

He has their older board tested but m6 lite is in member only right now

[tawdry tree]

this is the new version, it was for sale not too long ago

$83 tho

[glacial wind]

Oh you mean their actual latency tester

[tawdry tree]

I like Mare’s tests on twitter

[little glen]

Put a random other cap there if you want to

[tawdry tree]

that actually showed Hm’s latency

[glacial wind]

Nah eyejoker just does direct usb via his own rig so I don’t think he would have theirs

since he has his own self built one

[tawdry tree]

rather than the latency clouded by actuation point

[tawdry tree]

I hope he gets one

[glacial wind]

Why though? He already has a direct input usb setup

[tawdry tree]

They’re both made by arbiter I think

[glacial wind]

it’s not via actuation point

[tawdry tree]

The older version?

[glacial wind]

so his is already direct usb measurements via voltage

[glacial wind]

No as in it’s his own rig, not a device bought from someone else

[tawdry tree]

I don’t remember his setup

lemme check

[glacial wind]

He measures direct usb measurements via voltage

aka he's triggering it via direct input already and not physical actuation stuff

[tawdry tree]

that’s good

did he show it in a vid ever? I’m curious

[glacial wind]

nah, he's only mentioned it in his discord when asked

[tawdry tree]

😭

[kindred sandal]

thanks boss, I'll see how they are with out bag lubing, don't wanna take the thing apart lol

[glacial wind]

melgeek has shown the direct usb measurement method before though. A lot of companies use that for testing/tweaking as well

[sacred elm]

Oh then use them stock, theyre nice

[tawdry tree]

yeah, it’s the same as the tester. The tester just makes it quicker

[hearty path]

will these work with the jade pro ??

[kindred sandal]

thanks boss

[solar tundra]

Finished Handlubing my RAW HE Switches and the difference isnt that much compared to my WS Dashes. They def feel way more smooth then my Dashes

[kindred sandal]

you can put any keycap to replace "mode". Most keycaps don't have a "mode" key so either you'd have to buy a specific set with a "mode" cap or just put any of the same size

as long as you know it's "mode"

replace it with an artisan if you have extra funds but really, any cap will work

[tawdry tree]

Yes but I’d go with the longer ones.

You’re someone who wants the lowest weight possible?

😂😭

[glacial wind]

another new member of our church

[tropic urchin]

PC plate is gone with the wind, CF plate is eternal, long live the church

[uneven cradle]

I noticed you didn't mention the best plate material PP

[tropic urchin]

If PC is too flexy, PP isn’t on the radar

[uneven cradle]

My PP plate is less flexible then the PC plate I have

But the bottom out is still less harsh and the sound is still clacky

[cyan lark]

Though I'm back to using PC on my KoM build 😳

[sacred elm]

naaaaaah

https://www.twitch.tv/camofflife/clip/FurtiveAbstruseHamTheTarFu-Fdwd_ZIQjdMoc3QI

Crazy how flexy PC plate is

[sacred elm]

TTC + FR4 😳

[cyan lark]

That what you're running?

I hesitated to put in my FR4 cause I find the disassembly process a pain w/ the standoffs.

[uneven cradle]

Well I'm at 4 different plate materials when my CF plate arrives we'll see

[sacred elm]

Ill try that and CF in 4 days

[cyan lark]

🙏 Looking forward to hearing

CF I did try and it was... a lot

[sacred elm]

ill experiment will try without foam and preinstalled pet film too

[polar girder]

What?

PP>PC

[sacred elm]

What

[polar girder]

You heard me.

PC flimsy and weak

PP strong

It’s soft but it’s not flimsy

[cyan lark]

🧐

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[cyan lark]

I thought PP was the most flexible

[hearty path]

Not really is it lighter than the lekker v1?

[solar tundra]

i handlubed my raw hes and actualy the difference isnt that big bro

do you know how i get them maybe a little bit less clacky?

[polar girder]

Idk I hated my PC plate and love my PP plate

[tiny plume]

Should I be holee modding the screw in stabs that come with the 60he module?

[sacred elm]

Yes PP very strong

[polar girder]

In large part how easy PP is to deal with

Idk I had a Wooting PC plate and a PP hypekeyboards plate

[cyan lark]

You could foam up your case a bit

[polar girder]

That’s just my experience

I don’t regurgitate online information

I just speak from experience

[sacred elm]

It is

[solar tundra]

What foam?

[polar girder]

[uneven cradle]

Idk about all PP plates but the PP plate cafege sells is way more solid then my PC plates

[polar girder]

Yeah exactly

Those with PP know

Those without PP think they know

lol

[tiny plume]

Lowkey the screw in stabs are ok but there's some ticking

[sacred elm]

Are you using them on 60he with steel plate?

[hexed knot]

Yo

[solar tundra]

60he in tofu 60 redux, pbtfans keycaps and pc plate

[sacred elm]

Ah PC. You can try doing tape mod 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry tree]

Depends which springs you go for.

[solar tundra]

Makes Tapemod such a big difference? and is it easy to remove after without damaging anything?

[polar girder]

Yo what

👁️👄👁️

[sacred elm]

You need to use painters tape, it cant really damage anything

[polar girder]

Use the right tape and it’s easy to remove

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/yo-gabba-gabba-weird-al-weird-al-yankovic-dance-gif-26133619

[solar tundra]

this one?

[sacred elm]

tape mod will make your kb slightly deeper, it will be less clacky

[sacred elm]

Yea that

Do 3 layers

[solar tundra]

Need to order

[sacred elm]

https://youtu.be/6poF-Z0ajhE?si=GkPqbrysuauSwoE7

follow this guide

[hexed knot]

Anyone got 15mm 26g springs for Geon raw he

[hearty path]

Okay can you send me the link to the spring want it be a little lighter than the original springs

[hexed knot]

@tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

These are slightly lighter than stock Jade Pros: https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ev3jRNO

[hearty path]

Thanks

[tawdry tree]

Ya?

[hexed knot]

Anyone got 15mm 26g springs for Geon raw he

[cyan lark]

@hexed knot

[hearty path]

How much is the original weight

[hexed knot]

Yes bro?

[cyan lark]

Anyone got 15mm 26g springs for Geon raw he

[hexed knot]

Yes bro?

[cyan lark]

@hexed knot

[hexed knot]

Yes bro?

[cyan lark]

spring

[hexed knot]

[cyan lark]

u got

[hexed knot]

No

I search

[cyan lark]

@hexed knot tho

[hexed knot]

What

[tawdry tree]

The ones I sent you before are 15mm 28g iirc.

[hexed knot]

Alr

[tawdry tree]

50g

[tawdry tree]

😂😂

[cyan lark]

Sorry I find it... a bit much.

[tawdry tree]

[sacred elm]

spring

[cyan lark]

sprung

[tawdry tree]

CUTEEE

[sacred elm]

thats sprng

UwU

[hexed knot]

Sprung

😂

[charred cobalt]

Guys does the weight in the tofu 60 case matter sound wise?

[balmy shoal]

Any keycap set you would recommend for 80HE in style like wlmouse ying63 ling or color gradient (see pics)? Must be at least as good as stock wooting double shot PBT

[tawdry tree]

Yes. Without the weight it sounds like a bell.

[sacred elm]

🔔

[hexed knot]

Black and white looks sick

[charred cobalt]

Ordering it rn

[tawdry tree]

If your budget allows it, go with weight.

[charred cobalt]

It does but I thought it made no difference so why bother

These are good enough mods?

[balmy shoal]

Yup but this particular one comes only with whole keyboard

[dark cypress]

im trying to find some nice keycaps as well lol

[charred cobalt]

Bruh I can here to say this

I’ve got gradient white-grey side print keycaps

Let’s see how that turns out

[dark cypress]

from where

[cyan lark]

For a wooting keyboard?

[charred cobalt]

Yes

[charred cobalt]

Xvt

[cyan lark]

Just be aware that side legends may not be terribly bright since they are on the south side and wooting's LEDs are north

[charred cobalt]

Amazon

[charred cobalt]

Fuck…

Bruh idk what to get them

Then

[cyan lark]

It may be fine, just won't be as bright as on a south-facing LED board 🤷

[charred cobalt]

Yes that’s true

[cyan lark]

No idea, never seen it in person or in video. I'm sure you can find some example on the interwebs.

[charred cobalt]

Why are south facing leds so rare

Like 1/7 of my keebs has a south facing led

[cyan lark]

You could try to find some top shine through instead of side

Similar to Wooting's shine through offerings

[calm pulsar]

I guess cause most keycaps have alphas on the north side

[high sphinx]

Hey guys how fast can u guys get in this https://cps-check.com/keyboard-cps just curious

[calm pulsar]

tyler is that you

[high sphinx]

Yeah i got it from him

[high sphinx]

I did it and got 105

[high sphinx]

Damn

[tawdry tree]

Actuation point at 4mm, put a piece of tape over ur spacebar and drag click for 100cps 😃👍

[calm pulsar]

tbh that is just me having a stroke, let me try properly haha

[high sphinx]

Well i jad actuation point on 0.1 and rapid trigger on 0.04 and only got 106 max i think my finger needs to het faster for the max potential of my venom 😅

[calm pulsar]

tyler's charge button

[high sphinx]

Tyler got 100

[calm pulsar]

he needs to get a venom

I wonder if I'd get more on venom, im on wooting rn

[high sphinx]

Imagine i think he would score so high in this

[high sphinx]

Rapid trigger works on this right ?

[calm pulsar]

on venom?

ofc

[high sphinx]

Why at 4mm and not 0.1 ?

[high sphinx]

Nah i meant in the sute it can register that right ?

[calm pulsar]

of course, it's in your keyboard, it doesnt matter where you're pressing buttons

[high sphinx]

Oh but i wonder how t1 got so fast then whith a shit keyboard and no rt

[tawdry tree]

For drag clicking, you’re using friction to click and that’s a lot easier to achieve constantly at 4mm than it would be at 0.1mm.

[calm pulsar]

do you know what keyboard he uses?

[high sphinx]

Oh yeah after thinking about it it makes sense mb haha

[high sphinx]

I think he even uses sole membrane shit board

[tawdry tree]

It’s possible at 0.1mm as well, just a tad bit more difficult.

[high sphinx]

Yeah indeed

[high sphinx]

How much can u het on the test ?

[calm pulsar]

well if you find the actuation point it's easy to do that many presses

[high sphinx]

Yeah but imagine t1 on he biatd with rapid trigger then

Unlock the man´s true potential

[tawdry tree]

Not at my desk rn but my cps on a mouse is around 15

keyboard quite a bit less most likely

[high sphinx]

Oh ok i was just wondering

😜

[tawdry tree]

did you try playing around with rt sensitivity to see how much it affects your cps?

[high sphinx]

No not really why is lower not just better for this test ?

[tawdry tree]

It is, the lower the better. Just for fun.

[high sphinx]

Oh yeah i see try it whitout and see hiw luch i get

[tawdry tree]

probably half if not less 😂

rt op

[high sphinx]

Whitout tt but actuation at 3.3

[calm pulsar]

nice

[tawdry tree]

that’s very good still

[high sphinx]

This is with rt

[tawdry tree]

🥴

[high sphinx]

Guys i also have this problem my usb c is not really tight and when i woggle it a bit it can easy disconnect in my tofu case and when it reconnects i have strange behaviour like this

U see i press z wich is w cause qwerty now

And instead of typing it closes my browser

[marsh saffron]

Try to shift your pcb ever so slightly forward before mounting it in your tofu

That entirely solved my issue with the "loose" USB c

[marsh saffron]

As for this it's likely just a bad calibration, unplug and replug it should ve gone

[high sphinx]

I use friction pad from wooting

[marsh saffron]

Try shifting it ever so slightly forward if possible

[high sphinx]

Also when i replug board

[tawdry tree]

Is it bad bad? Like when you slightly adjust the case it disconnects?

[high sphinx]

Browser closes instead of typing

[barren wasp]

maybe you screwed it in wrong and some keys are ghosting?

[tawdry tree]

🤔🤔🤔

[high sphinx]

Nah not really bad but still kinda bad

[marsh saffron]

Has this been happening since getting your board?

[tawdry tree]

What you could do is remove the “shield” entirely. That’ll solve the issue but it also mean it’ll be slightly open.

[marsh saffron]

You could take the little circle piece around the USB port and it'll fix this entirely, but it looks worse

[marsh saffron]

Beat me to it

[tawdry tree]

Yeah exactly

[high sphinx]

I dont know i honna i will do that

[marsh saffron]

Friction mounting my 60he made it so my usbc stays in just as good as stock case

Although I use oring not friction pad

[high sphinx]

when i wiggle the usb it still disconnects fronm time to time well alteast i heard the disconnect sound

[marsh saffron]

Mine feels likes it damn near locked into my keyboard

[devout totem]

Encountered similar issue and it was a bad usb cable connector. Change usb cable

[high sphinx]

u have venom ?

[marsh saffron]

Oh no 60he

[high sphinx]

Hear u can hear the sound at the end of the video

[marsh saffron]

That's quite loose

Have you tried other cables?

[tawdry tree]

[marsh saffron]

Might be looking at an rma with how loose that looks

[calm pulsar]

damn easy on that connector lol

[high sphinx]

From phone

Phone charger

[marsh saffron]

Yeah that port looks like it may be cooked

[calm pulsar]

did you connect and disconnect that a lot

[high sphinx]

No not at all

[marsh saffron]

If it was received like that definitely look into rma

[high sphinx]

I can try and remove the frictuon pad

I dont know if that has anything to do with ot tho

[tawdry tree]

Do you mind taking the PCB out rq and recording the back of the PCB with the cable plugged in?

[marsh saffron]

Friction pad won't be causing it, especially if you took out that one piece

[high sphinx]

The whole module ?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, and just flipping it over to see the back of the PCB

[high sphinx]

Ok

[tawdry tree]

the port specifically

[marsh saffron]

The port itself doesn't seem loose on the pcb

[tawdry tree]

This is fine.

[marsh saffron]

Can you get a picture of inside the port with your flash on?

[tawdry tree]

If it’s not bad to a point where it’s an annoyance (happening during use), then I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

[tawdry tree]

[high sphinx]

Do you know what may have caused

This is solething i am worried about more

[tawdry tree]

(it’s fine still, but not in perfect condition 🥴)

[marsh saffron]

Definitely looks a little worse for wear

[tawdry tree]

I don’t know. I’d try a keyboard checker website and repeating this.

[calm pulsar]

just make sure not to scratch any contacts with that up and down movement, cause it might ruin the port

[tawdry tree]

To see which key(s) the board sends.

[marsh saffron]

Yeah definitely wouldn't wanna make it worse

[calm pulsar]

this makes me want to get a low profile cable, so that when my board bounces around in the frog, the cable doesnt move in relation to the port lol

[high sphinx]

Well it happened when the board disconnected a gew times i dont know

[marsh saffron]

Has it happened since ?

[high sphinx]

No it only hapoens when the board disconnects and reconnects a few times

[marsh saffron]

Sounds like it's caused from just a bad calibration

[tawdry tree]

🤔 Maybe it’s a windows thing?

Which button closes the browser?

[marsh saffron]

If it only happens after the board regains power this is what I'm leaning towards

[marsh saffron]

Ctrl + w

Ctrl sounds like it's being held on

[tawdry tree]

Oh, interesting

Yeah that’s makes the most sense.

[marsh saffron]

I've had similar happen and it was just bad calibration

[tawdry tree]

Bad calibration, Control stays activated and W is pressed.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah makes perfect sense.

[marsh saffron]

But i had to touch ctrl when the board regained power to recreate the issue

[marsh saffron]

Try doing this and see if it'll recreate it? @high sphinx

[high sphinx]

well indeed maybe callibration thing

[marsh saffron]

Hold ctrl when you plug the board back in

And press w in your browser

See if it'll do it

[tawdry tree]

I’m not familiar with Venom’s calibration process. If it’s anything like Woot, unplug and replug would’ve fixed it.

[high sphinx]

when i am in browser and hold ctr and w it closes it

[marsh saffron]

I assume they would do the same as it makes the most sense?

[marsh saffron]

Hold ctrl and plug your board in, after it powers on don't touch anything. Go into your browser and just press W

[high sphinx]

i think it is fixed after i waited a few seconds

[marsh saffron]

See if it'll do it

[tawdry tree]

It depends per board but yeah, most likely.

[marsh saffron]

Venom's calibration might just take a bit longer and you hit ctrl while it was doing it? Assuming it's the issue and venom's calibrates similarly to wooting

[high sphinx]

do i reallease ctrl when i plug board back in ?

[marsh saffron]

Yes

[high sphinx]

oh i did that and it did not close my browser just presses w

[marsh saffron]

Well I'm even more confused now

[high sphinx]

This is btw on my wooting 80he

[harsh dove]

Doing that to your port is not helping

Making it worse

[high sphinx]

I just wanted to show also i found this https://discord.com/channels/743801649377574924/1329136768666304532

[remote cairn]

mine is also moving but I try not to touch it too much

[high sphinx]

Wich pcb u have ?

[remote cairn]

80HE

[high sphinx]

Oh ok

[harsh dove]

Yeah I mean the port has room to wiggle but I'm not sure exactly why it'd be disconnecting unless it's making bad contact or something

[marsh saffron]

@harsh dove

[high sphinx]

Yeah it makes the sound but i can still use the keyboard

It is weird

[harsh dove]

Is this a venom only issue or something?

[calm pulsar]

damn I hope the contacts are not fucked
you need to stop the wobble and repluggin it as soon as possible I think

[high sphinx]

Well i can woggle my port on the wooting 80he

[marsh saffron]

First time I've seen it, but I also rarely see venom builds

[harsh dove]

Yeah you can wiggle your port on all keyboards, that's not what I'm saying

[high sphinx]

Well it is plugged in now and it will stay plugged in

[marsh saffron]

The port itself looks a little worn but nothing that bad

[calm pulsar]

my cable can wiggle rn in the frog but not as much, maybe cause the port is deeper in the case

im on wooting rn btw

so maybe all usb-c ports have some wiggle room

[marsh saffron]

Some wiggle room should be normal, the amount in the vids seemed a bit much

[harsh dove]

Makes me think it maybe shipped with bad contacts on the pads or he loosened the contacts on the pads by wiggling it so much

[high sphinx]

i did not wiggle it at all actually just now to show u guys

and i found out cause i was doing some typing test

[calm pulsar]

this whole discussion made me think once again about how big the connector on my cable is and how it can be in the way when I use it with the frog mini, like when the pcb is bouncing up and down, the cable may not always be able to move with the pcb naturally and it tilts a bit

ordered an "audiophile" cable from aliexpress, cause it has a lower profile connector than my current cable

[high sphinx]

and i had to switch mouse to left side for clicking and then i could use my right hand fast on the keyboard otherwise i would loose a second

[harsh dove]

So in other words, it came like that

[high sphinx]

yes

[harsh dove]

Might be an RMA tbh

[marsh saffron]

Should get in contact with geons support

[high sphinx]

this is something i found out while my mouse cable touched the keyboard cable\

i got it from deltakeyco i gonna contact them

[little glen]

i just realised i'll have to get another cable for the second keyboard

[high sphinx]

well i send a mail to deltakey

lets wait for their response

well i have to mention that i am also on the beta firmware

so idk if that has to do with something

[calm pulsar]

don't think it would affect physical disconnects

[high sphinx]

yeah well it is better after i took out the part of the tofu redux

[polar girder]

Hype

[calm pulsar]

hype

[calm pulsar]

frog + venom + gmk caps + raws + alu plate
elite

[polar girder]

lol

I’ve come so far

I still have the plastic Wooting case and the stem swapped raptors next to my desk to remind me of where I came from

[calm pulsar]

lol nice

[little glen]

[little glen]

my build will look basically the same except that i have salvation instead of frog haha

[calm pulsar]

hype

[little glen]

yup

i got rng salvation

so i hope i get a decent color or one thats easy to work with

[polar girder]

lol nice good luck

Great deal if it’s not hideous lol

[little glen]

as long as i dont get the poop color

[calm pulsar]

ah the intercom color

[harsh dove]

Would be fire

[polar girder]

💯

[polar girder]

https://divinikey.com/products/gateron-magnetic-genty-he-switches

These are the same Genty’s right?

[violet fulcrum]

Yo have there been any changes for polarity compatibility for wooting PCBs?

Or is it still N pole only

@spare mauve

[uneven cradle]

Actually not 100% don't think full support has been added but may be added in a future update

[tropic urchin]

Should be they look pretty similar

[polar girder]

Yeah I want sure if they were new or just new to Divinikey

[gray jackal]

Hey currently switching out the switches with sticky rice v2, which way should I have them facing?

[cyan lark]

Window facing up

[gray jackal]

Which side is the window

[cyan lark]

The side with the angle and texture

[gray jackal]

Thx

[cyan lark]

Facing the cam in the first pic

[austere creek]

u sure?

the window side usually has a straight down hole

so the rgb can go up

also best to determine when looking from above with some light behind

[cyan lark]

I’m looking at shots, I dunno. Figured that was the diffuser

The other side looks like a block of plastic

[kind helm]

this thing is the diffuser, and that side should be with the light on the pcb if you are using wooting

[austere creek]

hm yeah seems they somehow opted for a diffuser

[gray jackal]

Bruh they put 2 different switches in the same bag

[cyan lark]

Oh shit

[gray jackal]

I'll put it on a shit key which way should it face

Rest are fine it's just 1 I think

[cyan lark]

Well that’s the window Tony was talking about 😆

[gray jackal]

Goes up?

[cyan lark]

Window goes up

[gray jackal]

Thx

Dodgy website

[austere creek]

ok that makes no sense

[kind helm]

nah the one with the hole in there, the diffuser fell out in the bag or something

[austere creek]

is the diffuser just pushed in?

its not even molded in?

[kind helm]

it is a separated piece

[austere creek]

that makes even less sense imo

[kind helm]

it is similar to the one on raw he

[cyan lark]

And KoM Pom

PITA both

[austere creek]

well im saying it makes less sense because (at least in theory i dont have such thing to test) it would cause the light to not diffuse through the entire tophousing properly due to the plastic, air, plastic gap around the diffuser

or is the point to just have 1 "brighter" spot at the top

[cyan lark]

My theory at least for the KoM Pom is it’s a materials thing. Two different plastics and such. Cause the OG KoMs have the diffuser molded in

[harsh dove]

a lot of recent HE switch diffusers are like that unfortunately, I personally hate it

Geon RAWs are like that

[cyan lark]

But that’s just my theory, not a materials science wonk

[harsh dove]

I also think it affects how hard it is to pull switches out

which is annoying

just build the diffuser into the top housing

why do extra steps

[cyan lark]

The ones like jades and KoM og are so so much easier to pull

[harsh dove]

Yeah cause they're built into the top housing and not in the way of the clips

Also what tony said, it affects RGB

[cyan lark]

Yeah makes sense

I made an unwise but exciting decision

Going in on the rng salvation

[harsh dove]

I do that all the time

oh

good luck

[cyan lark]

Thanks 🙏

[austere creek]

i expected more diffusing

top is geon raw he

[cyan lark]

Rest are windows?

[austere creek]

and yes it does what i thought and keeps the light basically only in the diffuser. if it was 1 piece of the tophousing molded in it would keep the light throughout the tophousing

[austere creek]

lekker v2 so yes

[cyan lark]

I guess if you’re using shine through caps that could be a positive

[austere creek]

depends on the print

if the legends arent top center it would actually not benefit much if not even decrease the rest

although tbf i dont have a switch that properly diffuses it throughout the entire tophousing either so it might be worse that way as well

[harsh dove]

Yep

Probably my biggest complaint about the RAW HEs

Even tho I don't use RGB

It also affects removal like I said

[kind helm]

LIER, bro blinded me just yesterday.

[harsh dove]

Yeah cause yall asked for it lmao

[austere creek]

eh not too concerned since none of the HE switches should be pulled at the window side either way

they all just have a very thin edge from the bottom housing there

[harsh dove]

I'm saying the diffuser piece that's installed on the RAWs is behind the bottom housing clips so it makes it harder to remove them from the plate with a switch puller

unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean

[austere creek]

on none of the switches i know can you actually push the clips in

the hooks are all on a part of the bottom housing that has no cuts on the side to bend inside

at leats all switches ive seen irl

[harsh dove]

maybe I have a skill issue but the RAWs always seemed harder to pull than the rest of the switches I've tried but maybe it's not because of the diffuser like I'm thinking

[austere creek]

if you look the hooks never get pushed in by anything

this goes (to my knowledge) for all HE switches

so pushing with a puller from the sides on those bendy bits does nothing

[cyan lark]

If it's a skill issue we both have the same issue. No other switch I've pulled is as difficult/inconsistent as the raws

[kind helm]

i found pulling the side with no hole/diffuser first makes the process much easier

[austere creek]

yes we recommended since lekker to just grab it like any switch with the puller and not pull out the top side but only the bottom side

basically levering it out

[austere creek]

that way the puller can grab the meat of the bottom housing

[harsh dove]

my theory is that the plastic diffuser piece doesn't let me push the clip in as far to remove it from the palte

[tawdry tree]

They added the “Semi” in there. I’m dead

[austere creek]

huh jade pros are the first i know of then putting the hooks on that part

[harsh dove]

Thats OG jades

not pros

[kind helm]

yea i remember the the pic you showed the other day. i was just guessing that is what you meant thanks btw

[austere creek]

is it?

oh right pros were diff

sry

[harsh dove]

Yeah clear top housing

all good lol

[austere creek]

but yeah the usual recommendation is to lever them out because of this

[harsh dove]

yeah that's basically my complaint

[austere creek]

and yes it goes against what most people wanna do with just pull straight up

[harsh dove]

Yeah

I end up pulling the diffuser out of the RAWs sometimes instead

[austere creek]

im actually not sure why gateron initially designed the lekkers this way

or why most companies copied it

[harsh dove]

Yeah I don't either

lol

[barren wasp]

v2s?

[tawdry tree]

With old KS-20s and Hejins you’d only use one side to pull because you’d completely bend the LED window if you used both sides to pull (pulling straight up). With Raw HEs you’d only use one side to pull because the other side has the LED widow which nothing can grip properly.

Gateron’s 20Us and recent Jades can be pulled straight up as their LED window is thicker and stronger.

Haimus are in their own league. You need a crowbar and a miracle to get those out.

[tawdry tree]

Both polarities are fully supported (on somewhat recent firmware versions). 👍

[polar girder]

lol yeah that’s why I wasn’t sure if it was diff

But makes sense

[polar girder]

Fk bro now I’m scared

I hate pulling switches

Maybe I should’ve bought 90

[kind helm]

just try to be gentle, clumsy ass like me was able to move my raws to 3 4 different plates. plus you are using the softer plates which would be easier to deal with anyway

[tawdry tree]

Raws are definitely harder to pull because of the diffuser but with good technique, it’s still fairly easy.

[kind helm]

i kept a screenshot of this gud advice

[austere creek]

oh noe

my crappy paint image

[cyan lark]

Not pictured: the legs snapping off on like 5% of them

Damn these sexy brutish hands

[polar girder]

Wel they’re going in Alu first

Maybe I just never take them out

LOL

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s my style

And I got that TX AP puller so hopefully solid pulls only

[harsh dove]

[harsh dove]

yeah this is great explanation

[kind helm]

that is the one mr cam was using yesterday right :3

[harsh dove]

yeah and the wuque studio one

[gray jackal]

Very nice

[harsh dove]

looks like a doctor did it

[kind helm]

reminds me of when i used to cut those tapes with like a diy knife.

[tiny hawk]

Does anyone know if the durock screw in stabs work with the wooting module?

[tawdry tree]

60HE+? Not really and no need to switch to Durocks from the stock stabs.

[tiny hawk]

Okay cool thanks!

[polar girder]

Yah the thick one

[tawdry tree]

TX puller supremacy! 🗿

[silk linden]

Any reason I cant open the ISO layout in Fusion360?

From the GitHub

[gray jackal]

Noice

Old vs new

[tropic urchin]

where the sticky rice sound test

[barren wasp]

we waiting

[cyan lark]

Isn't there also a rice pudding? Or is that the sticky rice v2?

[barren wasp]

yes rice pudding is a thing

sticky rice v2 isn't getting produced i think everywhere i look its sold out

unless a giant surge of people started buying it

[quasi hinge]

The Maxs

[kind helm]

i think that is essentially a sticky rice by a different maker

but yea i dont remember 100%

mr. aligner knows more

he has like multiple version of those

[silk linden]

Does anyone have the measurements of the pcb plate and foam?

60he that is

[polar girder]

What you mean

Like completely?

Or thickness

[silk linden]

Yeah, the height of each, and/or all together.

[cyan lark]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-design

[silk linden]

Unfotunately, I do not have any CAD to open this.

[harsh dove]

the PCB is 1.6mm thick, the foam is 3mm thick and the plate is 1.5mm

[silk linden]

Thanks!

[silk linden]

As I'm awaiting the arrival of my caliper. Do you happen to also know the distance of the USB-c port from the edge of the pcb?

[harsh dove]

Like how far out it protrudes?

[silk linden]

I guess moreso the center of the USB-c to the edge of the pcb. Like the outermost left edge of the pcb

[harsh dove]

I'd say 13mm

This right?

[silk linden]

Yeah

[harsh dove]

Yeah 13mm

[silk linden]

Awesome, thank!

[harsh dove]

Not from center of usb c btw

That’s from edge to the edge of the PCB

Basically exactly where you see the red line is what I measured aka 13mm

[crystal pagoda]

Lucifers better

[calm pulsar]

lmao is ZanixFPS mj

[sacred elm]

49$ Wooting Destroyer?!

?!

[calm pulsar]

this keycap design is so ass

😭

[sacred elm]

atrocious

[vapid oracle]

☠️☠️

[sacred elm]

mad60 my goat 🗣️ 🔥

[vapid oracle]

My fav😏

[polar girder]

Extreme Wooting Knockoff?!??

[vapid oracle]

Yo do these restock quiet often or nah?

https://kbdfans.com/products/pbtfans-atomic-purple

Or is it limited time

@sacred elm

[sacred elm]

Yea

ah keycaps? no clue

[harsh dove]

from Jean @ PBTFans/KBDFans

I assumed it would be limited run tbh, these sets usually are

they usually only do another run if the designer allows it

[chilly mural]

Mega destroyer

[polar girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHD1e50rN3Q

[flat cobalt]

[high sphinx]

@harsh dove i got a response from deltakey

[harsh dove]

and

[high sphinx]

This is the conversation

[harsh dove]

Yeah sounds about right

[high sphinx]

So i guess my port is normal then ?

[harsh dove]

I mean yeah, we said the wobble was normal, just that if you wanted to try and RMA it if it was that big of an issue then you could try, but yeah what they responded with it pretty much accurate, most people aren't moving their keyboards around that much so if you can find a cable or position that works without it disconnecting all the time then you should be fine

[high sphinx]

Yeah now i removed the thingy from my tofu case it is resolved i think much better now ty

[harsh dove]

what thingy?

Here is the wobble on my Wooting80HE btw

just as an example

however the 80HE doesn't disconnect from Windows when I do this like the Venom

[sacred elm]

Yea that wobble is on both 60HE and 80HE but they dont disconnect when you do it

[harsh dove]

Yeah

wobbe is normal

[high sphinx]

This thingy

[harsh dove]

the circular bit?

Interesting

[high sphinx]

Yup

Someone suggested it and now it is better much better

[harsh dove]

If it works it works

[high sphinx]

Also last question how would i know if one of the contacts of the usb is fucked loke u mentioned before ?

[harsh dove]

Pretty shite picture lol but if the port becomes loose or ripped off of these silver contact pads

There’s actually someone in here recently who posted a pic of a ripped off port and damaged pads

[high sphinx]

Oh yeah mine just look normal nothing like this

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[high sphinx]

Ty for ur help and explanation btw ur 80he looks sick 🔥

[harsh dove]

Yeah no problem, and thank you

[uneven cradle]

Evil dolch is on its way

[harsh dove]

Cosmos soon too

[tawdry tree]

From left to right:
Yiqian’s Sticky Rice V1 (open bottom)
Yiqian’s Sticky Rice V2 (closed bottom)
Hejin’s Sticky Rice/Glutinous Rice/Rice Pudding (closed bottom).

[little glen]

Anyone know where i can get good quality cables in EU?

dont wanna overpay on shipping for a cable

[glacial wind]

hrm another drop of knight v3 stabs for sale, tempting

[little glen]

Whats the difference between v2 and v3

[glacial wind]

just some minor optimization for the fit of the wire and housing

and they improved the rounding/deburr process on the ends of the wire a little bit

[little glen]

I just bought 2 sets of v2

It‘ll be fine

[harsh dove]

I’m still on v1s

[kind helm]

is there a good open bottom housing that works with jade stem

trying to dampen my spacebar

on salv

[round scarab]

@glacial wind how do the lucifers compare to the raws?

[glacial wind]

Not as good

I’d only buy them if I wanted the cheapest he switch I could find

[glacial wind]

Honestly if they weren’t by geon I think no one would even buy them

[kind helm]

https://youtu.be/uTmfsY8fH68?feature=shared
raw he aren't even in the list?!

also has anyone tried everglide master

[uneven cradle]

v1 gang

I can't say I trust Milktooths videos after recommending the sticky rice's (when they had issues) and I got some silent switches based on his recommendation which may have been the worst keyboard purchase I've made

although that second one was probably because QC went downhill after initial batches

[kind helm]

i mean also the fact that the "top 1" switch happens to be "on sale exclusively" on his site seems off as well...

[kind helm]

is sticky rice v1 3.5mm travel?

[crystal pagoda]

people still buy sticky rices in 2025

[crystal pagoda]

because he didnt sell them

[kind helm]

i wish he does, i need some black knight and raw he

i just swapped from fr4 to alu for my salvation, a bit too loud compare to my tofu, think i go back to fr4 and that put on some jade knight which would have a louder bottom out and i think that may work nicely with fr4 to reach the volume i like

[tawdry tree]

No. 4mm or so.
V1 (open bottom) - V2 (closed bottom).

[kind helm]

you are the best and i love you :3

[tawdry tree]

[kind helm]

i was trying cope sticky rice v1 space bar with jade pro on alu + salvation

[tawdry tree]

Do you mean good quality as in Wooting compatible or do you mean good quality as in premium custom cables?

[tawdry tree]

More people should use multiple switches in their boards. It’s fun and gives the board more character. 😌

[kind helm]

yea i know mx its common, i was unsure of if that would work correctly with calibration and stuff.

[tawdry tree]

How do you like the V1s?

[kind helm]

haven't really make a whole board with it

but its not horrible

[tawdry tree]

How do they compare to your drilled V2s? 🤣🤣

[kind helm]

i just tried lekker v1 this morning, trying to cope with the open bottom of lekker v1. i press it a few times and realize how lucky we are to have raw he

[kind helm]

the drilled v2 is a bit louder much louder

[tawdry tree]

Real

[tawdry tree]

As expected. Are V2s cleaner still?

[crystal pagoda]

i live for ttc koms

i eat microplastics

[kind helm]

i think a little bit cleaner

v2

[crystal pagoda]

and it enhances the experience

[tawdry tree]

Yeah I think so too.

[tawdry tree]

TTCs are great when you don’t consider their price.

All around much better designed than Gateron’s or Hejin’s.

[kind helm]

i think for salvation + he switch a plastic plate maybe necessary

but i gonna wait a bit before spending 50 on a plate

[crystal pagoda]

i will be the buyer of the first 5 dollar ttc he switches

its worth it

[tawdry tree]

All gas no brakes bro, why wait when you can go broke now?

[tawdry tree]

Their new “collectors” ones are pretty close.

[kind helm]

btw a question for you more experienced people, would 2 piece case (with top case and bottom case) have lower volume spacebar due to the way its structured?

compare to tray mount or variations of tray mount like salvation which are 1 piece

i found my tofu 2.0 in terms of volume much more even compare to salv

but i am not sure if that is due to the mount or other aspects of the case design

[tawdry tree]

It depends a lot on what kind of gasket it is. I think for the frog mini, the spacebar isn’t quieter. I would say so for the 80HE’s gasket though.

It’s not really a fair comparison but still.

[vapid oracle]

Thanks for reaching out bruh

[little glen]

as in not terrible and shit

[kind helm]

yea i was wondering maybe that is related to the amount of open space at the bottom for salvation

as well

[little glen]

Dont need coil or anything fancy just a good cable that meets the spec and isnt absolutely awful

[kind helm]

sometimes i wish i took more physics classes

[tawdry tree]

For the salv, it can go either way. Silent switches stay silent, more so than in tray or friction but mid to loud switches get amplified more it seems like.

[tawdry tree]

UGreen’s cables work well and are cheap. They look very plain though, mostly just black. Not sure if you like that.

[kind helm]

yea i agree. i tried when i was swapping between tofu redux and salv

[tawdry tree]

Could very well be. I’d imagine for the spacebar specifically, it matters quite a bit on how close the mounting (gasket) is to it. If that makes sense.

[gray jackal]

my bad here

[kind helm]

yea i would expect if the mount is closer then the portion would a bit more stiff, leading to a louder sound

[gray jackal]

@barren wasp @tropic urchin

[calm pulsar]

I guess in salvation there isnt any gaskets, so it is not dampened like some other boards, so it is generally louder

the quietest way is probaby when gaskets are applied to the pcb

[tawdry tree]

Like if the mounting points (where it sits between the case) are far from it, then it’d sound louder compared to if the mounting points are right next to it.

[kind helm]

between coping softer plate and making a franken switch i am leaning toward softer plate right now just because less work

for me

[tawdry tree]

I think the opposite, (of course just guessing here) but for friction, it dampens the sound a tad bit.

and that’s like right right next to it

very stiff

[kind helm]

[tawdry tree]

Softer plate for sure

Lucifers x Raw HEs would be cool though

Closed bottom monochromes 🥰

[kind helm]

yea i think its a bit more stiff compare to gasket since the leaf spring thing is fr4

but the feel do be special because of that too i think, making it bouncy rather than just soft/stiff

luckily i have this

i think this plate being the way it is also helps with the sound a bit, less empty space on the spacebar compare to geon's own plate

[tawdry tree]

For sure. I wonder how much the plate holes affect the sound. Like skeletonized plates vs normal ones.

[kind helm]

i kinda just expect it contributes in a similar manner to flex cut

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[noble mason]

bought the sticky rice v2’s

so creamy

[kind helm]

half month at least of wait time + 45.95 dolla after shipping

man oh man

[hearty path]

which is the best one ?

[kind helm]

salvation + alu + jade pro + sticky rice v1 spacebar, really metallic

its really fun but the spacebar be out of tone

[barren wasp]

Sounds a lot cleaner good job modding

[quasi hinge]

Depends what end result you want, I just ordered a cf plate for my 80he to try out

[quasi hinge]

https://www.etsy.com/shop/KingCables?ref=shop-header-name&listing_id=1404570807&from_page=listing

[quasi hinge]

Im really happy with the one I picked up for my custom 80he

[hearty path]

iam trying to get one but\i dont know which one fr4 or pc or fr4

[kind helm]

what plate do you have right now?

[quasi hinge]

Do you have a 60he or an 80

[hexed knot]

how does the Venom 60he compare to Wooting 80he in terms of latency

[kind helm]

small difference

[hexed knot]

is the venom the fastest pcb atm?

[kind helm]

amount the top ones, same as 80he

[hexed knot]

damn

can you send me the latency stats

of all?

[kind helm]

some on youtube, think you can search for it

[glossy pagoda]

Eyejoker has good stats

[kind helm]

and honestly between 80he and venom60he, i highly doubt the difference is at all noticible...

[glossy pagoda]

The difference is effectively none

[hearty path]

60

[sacred elm]

good luck noticing 0.05ms difference

[hexed knot]

lol

what if your super saiyan?

[sacred elm]

it might be even less now

80he was tested with alpha firmware

[kind helm]

you can base your choice on what you currently have, if you think what you have is too quiet too deep sounding, get something more stiff, if you think what you have is too loud and too high pitched, get something softer

[ionic breach]

wasnt the test before the led bar thing tho?

where its still has fx with tachyon

[hexed knot]

venom is kinda expensive thjo ngl

[sacred elm]

yes

[hexed knot]

🤣

[ionic breach]

doubt it has updated

[hexed knot]

[sacred elm]

it wasnt updated, tests are with old firmware

[glossy pagoda]

Dunno, it's been a while and our keyboard gets faster pretty much every firmware update

Every time you see in the patch notes "scanning improvements" or "analogue stability" or anything remotely related to "signal" you can bet that translates to faster speeds

[sacred elm]

curious about the results, if eyejoker tests 80he again

maybe after 0.1rt update

[chilly mural]

that'll be cool

[hexed knot]

Cake or Cookie?

[little glen]

Ok but will that help me when i move like a old man

[kind helm]

some random image translator + eyejoker's vid from 1 month ago

[high sphinx]

https://discord.com/channels/743801649377574924/1328797706768089099 have u guys seen this ?

[kind helm]

damn

[high sphinx]

so i will be using my knight v2 with the leggera case then nice

[kind helm]

that would explain why the pcb mount plate says mini leggra.

[high sphinx]

damn and are those keyboards not kinda cheap ?

[kind helm]

i think some are indeed cheap, but not sure how good their QC, software, and support are

[high sphinx]

yeah and probably also more latency then venom i think

[kind helm]

i have no clue, i brought venom mainly for its compatibility.

[high sphinx]

yeah indeed i am hyped now for the leggera i can use oring with screw in stabs

[kind helm]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[high sphinx]

yeah i saw it but is pre order not over already ?

[kind helm]

once geon get the case then i think you can find the case online somewhere

cause in the screenshot i took, the guy who mentioned the information is the people who actually make the case(not design but manufacture or whatever the proper term is)

[high sphinx]

i hope geon gets some in stock but well i hope i will get my hands on one and then i also need an oring i already have the plates etc since i am using the venom in the redux now

[high sphinx]

oh ok nice

[dark cypress]

noob here…what exactly is the difference between geon raw hes and jade pros…

[kind helm]

he has them in hand right now just can't sell them without geon getting his portion for the preorder people first

[high sphinx]

or do i need something else except the case and an oring ?

[kind helm]

you will need a jst table, i dont know where you can buy it in eu but in us there is divinikey.

geon site has it for sell as well under geon something something daughterboard

[high sphinx]

oh yeah

[kind helm]

actually i would hope leggra include one in the case

because for leggra the daughterboard is different if i remember correctly

[high sphinx]

so i also need other daugterboard ?

[kind helm]

see the shape of that little space in the top middle

it is not a square

[high sphinx]

yeah i hope it comes with it tho

[kind helm]

it needs this i think

[little glen]

Isnt there 2 versions of the leggera with different connector locations?

One for oring mount one for screw in

[kind helm]

even in this pic the daughter board is not square shape

[high sphinx]

yeah but i wanna do oring

[kind helm]

think the top one is regular left usb c port

[little glen]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[kind helm]

plus i remember either geon or the chinese guy mentioned that the daugterboard is different for leggra

look at the little space and compare with the picture i just took

i brought one of those when i got the jst cable just in case i need it in the future :3

this little guy

they really should include this though, otherwise it would be confusing af for people

[high sphinx]

yeah

[hexed knot]

whats the diff between 6.25u or 7U

[kind helm]

one for normal people one for crazy people

[hexed knot]

explain in roblox terms

[chilly mural]

one is lvl 100000 and the other is lvl 1 bajilion

[tall hollow]

Ok but in all seriousness, that's just the length (in units) of the spacebar. 7u is just longer than 6.25u.

[kind helm]

this is 6.25U

[hexed knot]

sexy

[kind helm]

this is 7U

[tall hollow]

6.25u is used on most standard ANSI/ISO layouts

[hexed knot]

wtf

so 7u is basically black

and 6u is chinese

[kind helm]

6.25U is pretty much what you normally see and use. 7U is pretty

[hexed knot]

https://tenor.com/view/go-daddy-bodybuilder-shorts-comercial-muscles-beef-cake-gif-18519280

[fallen echo]

7u is the debil

[tall hollow]

At least it ain't 10u

[kind helm]

i need to get back to this key cap set + desk mat

[hexed knot]

hi sexy man

[kind helm]

mr cam is sexy, i am mid at best hehe

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[mental shell]

First time doing something like this. Is it just me or does this puller suck? The plastic one seems better and its also less likely to warp the view plastic thing.

[kind helm]

or this side first essentially, and wiggle

@high sphinx found the live stream on oring leggra

https://www.youtube.com/live/T11gu1p_vzw

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-your-fault-supportive-crying-not-your-fault-gif-3707453

[mental shell]

The grabby nubs seems much smaller vs the plastic one.

Wait maybe it's a key puller and not a switch puller

[kind helm]

the black one you lay on top of the case is a switch puller

[mental shell]

I thought the lubrication tools came with something to pull switches.

The size of the nubs are the same as the key puller in plastic. Weird

[polar girder]

That goes so hard lol

Tadpole mount < o-ring mount?

Interesting he’s getting away from tadpole mount it seems

[kind helm]

nah i think its just small difference

[kind helm]

i wonder if that is like "i want to slap my brand on some random mouse" or if it is a legit good one

[polar girder]

He probably just made a one off for himself if I had to guess

It’s a viper v2 pro I think

With custom shell

[kind helm]

ahh so the original one has led there too?

[polar girder]

Err I guess not

[high sphinx]

Ty i will watch it laterctoday playing cs with sole friends now

[kind helm]

me no use razer, every time i buy i get disappointment

[polar girder]

Looks same shape tho

Razer mice are goated

[kind helm]

which one you on again :3 ?

[polar girder]

I’m not on razer lol

But I have a modded vv2 pro and a dav3 wired I keep around

And a modded M3K I daily

I might sell the vv2 pro mod tho

Rather stay wired

[kind helm]

think its possible since optimum made a custom one for himself. i bit with the machines geon has he can do his own too

wired gang lets go

[polar girder]

Yeah. I’m all wired everything

Was thinking I would keep the vv2 pro around for when I want to go wireless. But I never want to go wireless lol

[kind helm]

holy fuck m3k is 357 dolla before shipping

[polar girder]

Yeah it’s chill

I bought the modkit for like $110 and a a PMM shell for like under $100 tho

So I don’t have carbon fiber but it’s lighter and I think I prefer the shape

So I’m happy

[kind helm]

nice. yea that is the one that optimum tear apart right?

to make his custom one

[polar girder]

No

That’s vv2 pro

For the first one

And now it’s finalmouse for the new one

He goes wireless

[kind helm]

really, the shape is pretty similar to the m3k

oh yea i remember he had a battery in there

[polar girder]

Huh? Zeromouse is like more of a frame than a shell

[chilly mural]

@kind helm i think I can use 7u now. Just move my right hand keybind a little bit to the right.

[high sphinx]

Well in this stream he snaps off the usb port is it worth it you huys think ?

[kind helm]

i personally think yes

gummy oring mount is pretty good from what i heard

[kind helm]

bro r4ping my ears

[polar girder]

It is

Tray mount is bleh

[kind helm]

why you sending your sex tape with your board bb

[high sphinx]

Ok might order a second pcb tho then so i jave one for in the future maybe Hen i wanna do a left side usb port like i have now

[chilly mural]

you lucky I'm using ghost bar or else it'll be like a gun shot every second

[kind helm]

i was thinking of this

[chilly mural]

but yeh, this is a nice solution to my problem

[high sphinx]

But u cant ground ur board that way right ?

[calm pulsar]

leggeras are one piece so it's cheaper to make, thus no tadpoles

[kind helm]

cause the finger tip grip

[kind helm]

you ground through daughter board

superior

[polar girder]

Right. But that looks nothing like M3K lol

[kind helm]

usb c port not moving while you type

[polar girder]

Yeah maybe more cost effective for sure. You think that’s determining factor?

I was checking out some o-ring mount boards last night 👀

[high sphinx]

Have u seen the usb c wobble i have ?

[calm pulsar]

well I guess he just wanted to make a case that is more available, as for gummy vs tadpoles I dunno

maybe gummy is better even

[polar girder]

Trying to o-ring mount Wooting kind of turned me off but with a proper PCB setup could be good tho

[kind helm]

i just thought the shape + the grip you need with this but yee think you right, i didnt look into m3k at all since its way above what i can afford

[polar girder]

Right yeah that’s my question

Thought I was done but now I’m tempted lol

[kind helm]

yea

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think it's quite diff from wooting kinda friction mount

in the og way the pcb rests over a soft oring

[kind helm]

friction mount is copium

[polar girder]

Well even just o-ring mount the Wooting was tricky

Right

[high sphinx]

What is ur opinion about it is it to mich or reasonable ?

[kind helm]

like the pcb yes is secured with friction but at the same time you still have the pcb banging against the bottom case

[polar girder]

Yeah can’t have that

[high sphinx]

For this i jave some silicone caps comming

[kind helm]

if mr cam think its cool imma say its cool too

[high sphinx]

Ok haha

[untold wigeon]

Is the lettering transparent on the wooting double shot backlit PBT keycap set? Will I be able to see the LEDs through the letters on the caps?

[cyan lark]

The sound is so wildly different on my 60 in a friction mount vs tray that I think saying it's still banging against the case is a bit hyperbolic. If it is still in contact w/ the case, which I don't doubt, it's certainly not slamming into it nearly as hard as with tray mount.

[calm pulsar]

it just rests on the screw posts, that's it

[gritty trail]

What are some of the first mods I should do

[calm pulsar]

I used to just cover them with silicon

[kind helm]

i doubt its better :3 i feel like essentially they are all like gasket, just different way of implementing it, the tadpole/gummy oring you have the options to change the stiffness unlike the cheaper kit where you are stuck with one stiffness.
but i am a faaking noob

[polar girder]

Lube springs/switches/stabs and maybe swap plate and/or keycaps

[calm pulsar]

the feeling has to be quite different
in frog mini the plate rests on tadpoles
in gummy oring cases the pcb is in contact with whatever is providing the softness

[polar girder]

But just lube everything is good to not buy too much new stuff

[polar girder]

Gross

[kind helm]

well time to get one then mr arc

only 60 dolla

[high sphinx]

I hope the silicone caps will be soft enough

[calm pulsar]

luminkey confirmed that they will be selling loobed's units themselves

hehe

[kind helm]

oh yea hehe

[calm pulsar]

though it may not work with venom

would be funny