🔧│keyboard_modding

[quasi hinge]

Dont laugh….

Cod mobile on gameloop (they have pc servers and mobile servers)

Oh

And Josh

[kind helm]

[tawdry tree]

I can’t find the thread so I might be misremembering. Tachyon is supposed to disable all lighting fx so if yours didn’t, it was definitely a bug.

[kind helm]

that led had me trip for a sec, thought the ufo was floating

that is hot

[ionic breach]

u keeping the keycaps stock?

[quasi hinge]

Yeah I need them to play in the dark for oled… I have no excuse other than I simply havent learned the keys by memory

If anyone is interested in the art/process just DM me but ill do a post in wootstations sometime soon (which might be long lol)

[quasi hinge]

Cerakote came out better than I expected but it is rougher than the regular black zinc finish. Could have just been the application but im happy

[ionic breach]

oh shit copper r2 is here

[quasi hinge]

@inland jetty

[quasi hinge]

In case anyone is interested to see the before and after...

[quasi hinge]

Miami NHI

[quasi hinge]

My only gripe is the keycaps… and I can imagine all the good ones to put on as some of you can as well.

Quite a few nice ones but useless to me in the dark and I dont want to drop money on keycaps just for a photo op lol

https://youtu.be/BEWz4SXfyCQ?feature=shared

And its called the ‘Lazar 80HE’

https://projectgravitaur.com/products/the-sport-model-collection-desktop-mat-color

[quasi hinge]

I almost got this mousepad but the hayate otsu MID is unbeatable

Plus I just want to watch the documentary when it comes out 🛸👽

[inland jetty]

Shit, damn.... That escape key looks really cool. Fuckin love how it came out.

[fallen pecan]

why is this company even at ces

[inland jetty]

Soon to be featured on JRE 😂😂😂. Lazar 80he, discovering unlimited energy 😂😂😂

[chilly mural]

as an ad I guess

[fallen pecan]

they might just be one of the 2 inductive board makers at ces

[chilly mural]

I checked KBDfans x MM Gaming Keyboard Kit and it's about $170 with geon raw + Tofu redux. Not bad, considering it might cost as much as that for venom60 build with same component.

[quasi hinge]

looooool the maybe 3 likes Ill get from this is all the fame I can hope for

And to inspire others to create their own

[inland jetty]

Nah, it will age like wine just like lazar's claims 😂👍🏾

[quasi hinge]

Mine might be lame because I dont have the ‘designer’ keycaps but im function over looks

[fallen pecan]

the board is fast but the software might be a turnoff

[chilly mural]

It looks freaking ugly from the screenshot provided

[fallen pecan]

lemme find a vid

[inland jetty]

Since u need the legends like myself, how about clear/transparent/smoky(or any transparent color) key caps? You think they'd look ugly?

[inland jetty]

The esc key is a really nice touch. That is crazy

[fallen pecan]

here's a built one

[quasi hinge]

Wouldn’t you believe I found it after getting rugged by mykeyclub on the jris80?

After getting rugged by them I chose lemokey p1 pro for my office daily driver, then they had this:

https://www.lemokey.com/products/ufo-aluminium-alloy-artisan-keycap

[inland jetty]

Tbh the led bar, you'll forget about it in time. I got used to the RGB on tachyon mode after a day. I just wish we had a rotary knob

[inland jetty]

IT WAS DESTINY 😂

[quasi hinge]

Lmao

[quasi hinge]

Would love a volume knob, that is endgame for me

[inland jetty]

Same in terms of necessary features. Volume/rotary knob and I'm set

Rotary knob is so good for macros and such

[quasi hinge]

Ive tried them all and see them in the dark and it just hinders the visual performance, they really need to be shine through pbt otherwise it is like a step back

[inland jetty]

Would be sick too if you can change profile just by clicking the knob 😁

[quasi hinge]

Id use it for mute but that works too

[inland jetty]

Yeah, programmable would be best for sure which, I'm just assuming can be done on wootility. It would be so sick if we have these

[quasi hinge]

Mos def

[quasi hinge]

Then after seeing this keycap and some guy on here offering to cerakote, it became destiny

[inland jetty]

Ahh, yeah. That's unlucky. I'm gonna try to see if anyone around my area can do the work for the case 😂😂😂. I'm too jealous 😂

[quasi hinge]

I can send you the cnc engraving files I had made from fiverr

[inland jetty]

Tbh bro, I know I said it a hundred times already but the esc cap really makes a difference aesthetic wise

[quasi hinge]

Paid a guy from nothern macedonia to do it lol

[quasi hinge]

I agree, I think its what drove me to do all this

[inland jetty]

Id be so down 🙏🏾.

[quasi hinge]

I thought… ‘this little guy needs a proper home’

[quasi hinge]

I will dm the files

[inland jetty]

Yeah, coming soon. Sector 80HE 😂

I'll have jets chasing a UFO on the front of the case. This is too easy lmao

[inland jetty]

Much appreciated, sir. Im. Curious though, does it matter what case color/material I choose?

[quasi hinge]

Love it already

[quasi hinge]

I dont think so, these are files for engraving / milling / laser engraving machines

Then each metal can match up to each machine I gather if it makes a difference

Sent to your DMs! An experienced engraver should know, make sure to see prior work

[inland jetty]

Yes sir, i hope you don't mind if I ask questions around during the process etc.

[quasi hinge]

Anytime

[inland jetty]

Perfect, makes it easier 👌🏾.

[thick smelt]

are there any switches that are geared towards a better typing experience or are generally considered 'better' for typing in specific

also if I swap switches will it have any affect on the features such as adjustable actuation etc.

[inland jetty]

It does on adjustable actuation. Jades for example have a 3.5mm max actuation point over lekker's 4.0

[thick smelt]

will the software recognise that?

and adjust accordingly

also would it have any affect on stuff like rapid trigger and rappysnappy

[inland jetty]

It should, 👌🏾

I just double checked mine just in case

[thick smelt]

oh awesome okay!

thank you!

[inland jetty]

You'll feel the difference in bottoming them out cuz of the shorter max travel on the 3.5 vs 4.0 on lekker's

[thick smelt]

hm okay

[thick smelt]

im assuming this isn't affected since they're all hall effect so they all have magnets

just diff travel distance

unless you use two different switches maybe that'd affect it

[quasi hinge]

You just get faster response

I use Geon Raws

They are 3.4

[thick smelt]

40gf is considered light right

if I just set the stock l60 to 0.1mm I should get around 40gf actuation right

it's hard for me to compare because I don't have much experience with switches

[ionic breach]

60gf Bottom is normal

[ionic breach]

u should just compare bottom out

since realistically its not like u will press the buttom 0.1mm and sharply release instantly

[thick smelt]

is that what's considered most important?

[ionic breach]

bottom out mostly

[thick smelt]

most other hall effect switches I've seen are less than 60gf

[ionic breach]

most keyboards are 60gf

though gateron doesnt like being normal

[acoustic mica]

Anyone got a good suggestion for a decent keycap set and case for 60HE?

[ionic breach]

so they dont offer a 60

[thick smelt]

many switches I've looked at don't even list bottom out force

I dont even have the kb yet ill probably just wait till I can actually try the lekkers and if I dont like em I'll find smth else

[ionic breach]

ya, i really dont get why they do that

[thick smelt]

as long as there won't be any software or issues with features after I swap it'll be fine

[ionic breach]

though u can look thru wooting's info list for them

[thick smelt]

I know there's no best switch because it's subjective, but surely there are some objective metrics such as build quality and stability - what are the top switches you'd recommend?

[thick smelt]

oh awesome thank you

[quasi hinge]

Geon Raw 50g

[thick smelt]

woah tactile he switches?

how does that work

[ionic breach]

Geon Raws (Best Sound + Value)
Lekker v2s (Least Loud)
TTC Magnetos POM (Best Stability)
Jade Pros (Best Feeling)
Geon Lucifer (really budget)

[ionic breach]

those dont work anyways

it is possible though

just have to do it urself

[thick smelt]

I've heard of magnetos but what is the pom

difference

[ionic breach]

its the material used

its the "premium version"

[thick smelt]

oh okay

and when a HE switch lists actuation force, does that just mean starting force?

[ionic breach]

hope so

[thick smelt]

like here

it says actuation 35

[quasi hinge]

the amount of force to initiate a key

then 48g to fully press the switch

[thick smelt]

in a mech it refers to the force to send signal tho right

[ionic breach]

should be

idk why that site says actuation

[thick smelt]

yea odd

35 seems low or is that normal

[thick smelt]

with your geon raws are you able to rest your fingers on keys without pressing them down

[quasi hinge]

yes but 'rest' can be subjective

[quasi hinge]

my geon Raw 50g is 36.0g actuation and 50.0g bottom out

the lekker 60s tire my fingers out

[thick smelt]

i have these on a mech which are too light for me

oh sorry wrong pic

but the margin of error is so huge

[quasi hinge]

maybe that is a typo? lol

[thick smelt]

so do you think 35 would still be too light

yea im not really sure

https://nuphy.com/products/nuphy-aloe-l37-low-profile-switches?srsltid=AfmBOopBA6yj9ny57YFHtr_muYZ96_lTgH0zX_LdNpPWoRXkukBKuw_-

[quasi hinge]

my geon Raw 50g is 36.0g actuation and 50.0g bottom out

And im a guy with heavier hands.... they were perfect for me. A buddy of mine uses the Geon Raw 40g and swears by them

its all personal

[thick smelt]

hm okay

i wish I was able to test them

without buying them

[quasi hinge]

but if your fingers tire easily then dont go too high with the starting force

lekker 60s were to heavy and the lekker 45s were too light for me

and geon raw 50g seem to be the most popular

I dont bother with gateron since they burned me with 160 of the Jade Maxs

[thick smelt]

I wonder why 80he only comes prebuilt with l60s

[quasi hinge]

safest?

[thick smelt]

40gf starting def seems high tho

it all seems inconsistent to me tbh cuz those nuphy switches were too light for me and they're supposedly 37gf

but then I had some of them razer optical purples and they felt heavier

[thick smelt]

even tho it says 20gf starting

[quasi hinge]

forget razer lol

e waste & bloatware brand

[thick smelt]

yea I know they're bad

but the only switches I've tried are razer optical purple and those nuphy ones

so they are all I can go off of

the geon 50s seem like a safe bet

tho I'm probably getting ahead of myself as I haven't even tried the stock lekker 60s yet

hopefully they'll just be fine

[quasi hinge]

try em

you might notice after prolonged use, your fingers getting tired

[thick smelt]

80he not in stock yet in aus so I gotta wait a bit longer

[quasi hinge]

ahhh I see

[thick smelt]

yea if this happens or if I just don't like the switches I'll probably come back here to try find replacement

[quasi hinge]

you are doing your research years in advance research lol

[thick smelt]

probably won't buy any replacements pre-emptively tho since there is a chance I'll be fine with the stock

[quasi hinge]

yup

[quasi hinge]

if its cheap, order a pack of 10 or so and compare

ignorance is bliss tho...

[thick smelt]

oh yea that could be a good idea

for some reason the lekkers don't seem to be very liked amongst kb enthusiasts and yt reviewers

which is why I was considering getting replacements

but hopefully I'll just be fine with them

[quasi hinge]

because they are not lol

IMO

especially for gaming

the shorter travel distance helps with fps

[tidal seal]

I’m like that @Rose. gonna wait test lekkers 60s and see how I get on. My first such keyboard and coming from office use and laptop kbs it will defo take time to adjust

[quasi hinge]

if you game, you will notice the 'tighter' controls

[tidal seal]

I do game. FPS mainly

[thick smelt]

yea okay I'll just wait till I try the stock lekkers and if I'm unhappy I'll go looking for switches again

[quasi hinge]

He to Non he boards is night and day

[thick smelt]

thanks for the help guys!

[quasi hinge]

the moment you strafe, you will be converted

[tidal seal]

Don’t need to sell it to me 😂 I was always into gaming and wanted one just never had the opportunity to get proper kb.

[quasi hinge]

Apologies, they are just so good

[tidal seal]

Can’t wait to get my hands on 80he

[quasi hinge]

I cant help it

[quasi hinge]

got me into keyboards

the 60he

[tidal seal]

Trust me, I understand. When you like smth and passionate about it you just wanna share the knowledge 😊

[quasi hinge]

Look what I did to my 80he lol

I may have a problem now

[tidal seal]

I was initially looking at 60he, but need F line and cannot be arsed with presets. So 80he was good compromise as don’t want full kb either

[quasi hinge]

had the 60 with macro pad

[tidal seal]

I saw that, looks amazing! 😻

[quasi hinge]

I could only use the 60he with a macro pad lol

when the 80he came out, it was deliverance sans the volume knob

[tidal seal]

Nice! I might still need to get num pad for work. We’ll see 😊

[tropic urchin]

Being extra is half the fun

[quasi hinge]

The other half is the frens you make along the way

[kind helm]

did anyone order from novelkey recently

no tracking after 6 days

that is a new one

[vapid cedar]

whats the difference between the module version of 60he+ vs just the base version of 60he+

[sweet oak]

Preinstalled screw in stabilizers, and the PC plate

[fallen pecan]

and no case, keycaps, switches

[vapid cedar]

ah ok, if i were to buy the 'prebuilt' one, could i install those options if i wanted to later down the road?

[sweet oak]

Yeah you could swap those out, though changing the stabs wouldnt be a huge difference

[vapid cedar]

oh alright sweet thanks for the help

[uneven thunder]

Are there any keycaps that fit the optimum case but actually have the legends?

[harsh dove]

You can still use the light bar with tachyon mode, but it can only be static, no FX

[quasi hinge]

So no moving?

[harsh dove]

Correct

[quasi hinge]

Thanks for clearing that up

So I had that bug also where I had tachyon mode on and the light bar moving also?

[quasi hinge]

After reassembling the Lazar 80he the light bar stopped working on tachyon mode. It seemed like it was working before…

I didn’t realize it wasn’t supported on tachyon mode

And I was sure I had tachyon mode on…

[dreamy monolith]

guys what switches are better lekker l60 v2 or l45 v2 (i want creamy sounding keyboard)

[stone flax]

Its just a difference in bottom out force

Creamy doesnt exist

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711913638193004556/1300554769336635493/creamy.gif

[crimson sky]

that board was and is quite creamy

[tropic urchin]

F5 time

[lone mural]

why between both of the same switch but with diff force

are there not other switches to consider

[fluid ravine]

there's nothing "better" between them, again same switch but 2 different actuation force. One is lighter and one is heavier, so it's preference between on what YOU need. The number after the L (standing for lekkers) is the gram of force is takes to actuate the full switch.

l60 being 60 grams and l45 being 45 grams

Otherwise they both have the same sound profile, which are pretty neutral

Doesn't have that low or high frequency sound, just right in the middle basically

[cyan lark]

There are many other switches to consider.

The most popular alternatives right now being Geon Raw HE and Gateron Jade Pro

[fluid ravine]

type shi type shi

[cyan lark]

Excuse me?

[fluid ravine]

i wish amazon sold like a 10 pack of jade pro's

dont want like a 70 pack cus am a geon boi

[fluid ravine]

[lone mural]

Yes ofc, I was just asking the person himself since wanting to get lekkers out of all switches is just.. weird

maybe for a stock wooting its reasonable but like

eh

[cyan lark]

Ah, thanks 🙂

[fluid ravine]

np

i feel you though

slangs these days are weird

[cyan lark]

Ah apologies if I responded to the wrong person

Yeah fr fr 😉

[fluid ravine]

apparently there was like a "brain rot" test i saw on tiktok and i failed pretty bad, which im happy about but i guess im lacking behind

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-hyperx-rgb-hyperx-family-hyperx-gaming-gif-17743647

[tropic urchin]

F5 is slang for refresh

[cyan lark]

It's the default shortcut to refresh a web page for all modern browsers

[fluid ravine]

well that's new

to me

time to put that in my notes of slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang

[tropic urchin]

It’s fairly old tech for slang

[fluid ravine]

im just a baby

[tropic urchin]

I’ve seen it since the late 2000s and that’s probably not even the oldest form of it

If you use Reddit it’s not uncommon to see that in the wild

[cyan lark]

If you're waiting for something that nobody knows the ETA for, it's currently F5 time.

[tropic urchin]

Always F5 time

[wicked hull]

Hello, I'm new to keyboard land and have a wooting coming my way. Can anyone explain to me why only very select few silent switches actually work for the wooting? Seems like 2-3 brands. I have found a lot of silent HE switches but dont know hwo to tell if they fit or not

For reference, getting a 60he

[orchid folio]

does any1 have a link for blank black pbt keycaps that work for the iso version of the wooting 60he? i found some on aliexpress last night but now theyre sold out already

[gilded hinge]

are there any good silents

[rich gulch]

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[gritty trail]

hey just wondering if anyone is selling an alumaze grey concrete

[stone flax]

for wooting? good not really

[gilded hinge]

do the glorious switches not work for wooting?

[stone flax]

outemus suck

[uneven cradle]

All "silent" HE switches are not actually silent

[sacred elm]

no

[orchid folio]

i need those keycaps Q_Q

looks great

wooting should sell black legendless ones instead of the gray ones

searching these websites for keycaps is such a hassle

[stone flax]

lots of people sell that

[rich gulch]

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[fluid ravine]

a black plate would make this build look more gorgeous

[rich gulch]

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[fluid ravine]

oof

[rich gulch]

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[stone flax]

can probably get a nice aftermarket plate

[rich gulch]

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[drifting bronze]

Guys is this bad?

Or should I just put it back in?

[fluid ravine]

why?

[rich gulch]

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[fluid ravine]

why did you take it out

honestly, the only reasonable time you should be taking it off is when the port is misaligned vertically for some reason.

otherwise if it's shifted horizontally just changed the switch to W

[drifting bronze]

I could not get a good connection with the module for some reason idk why

I'll try it again tommorow

I guess

[random zodiac]

Does anyone know a good website to buy third party cases and keycaps? For the 80he, specifically.

I was thinking of maybe KBDfans, but as far as I can see, they only have one case for the 80he. Which is nice, but I'd prefer a website with a larger variety.

[uneven cradle]

Not really many options aside from gt80 and a few cases on aliexpress for third party cases right now

[random zodiac]

Is that at least going to change?

[uneven cradle]

Probably in the future there will most likely be more third party cases being made by different people

[random zodiac]

Well, do you have recommendations for any specific brands? Like KBDfans?

[uneven cradle]

For cases?

For keycaps you can look at https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[random zodiac]

for both keycaps and cases.

i'm fine with websites that only offer one or the other, but i'd like to hear your recommendations, if you have any.

[uneven cradle]

Well I don't actually think any of the cases have been shipped out they are pre orders at the moment so I can't give you a solid recommendation there

[random zodiac]

i was thinking more-so recommendations based on past experiences. you said there aren't a lot of options for the 80he right now, anyways, so i'd like to at least explore more brands, for now.

[uneven cradle]

But as for keycaps those are pretty subjective I like GMK and Key Kobo myself

[random zodiac]

what's the difference between GMK and PBT?

[uneven cradle]

GMK is a keycap manufacturer and PBT is a material

[random zodiac]

ah, i see

[uneven cradle]

GMK most known for making double shot ABS keycaps but they also have double shot PBT keycaps also

Just be careful when looking at stores because when you google GMK there are quite a few fake stores that are listed

[random zodiac]

i mean, i'm looking through the website you've linked. i'd hope it's safe, lol...

[uneven cradle]

Yeah that one's safe

[random zodiac]

btw, that website isn't biased or anything, right? i see that most of the top rankings there are marked as sponsors.

[uneven cradle]

There is some bias but those are all labeled

Not really a ranking list from best to worst

[tropic urchin]

The GMK sites you wanna avoid is gmkkeycap(s).com since they sell clones

[random zodiac]

okay, good to know. thanks

[stone flax]

why is this question so common e.e

[random zodiac]

tbf, both names are three-letter all caps abbreviations

[reef oar]

ong, thought i was going schizo with that for a sec

[stone flax]

thought for a moment it was the same guy

😭

[tropic urchin]

Alextros’s link is subjective to his own experience, but it’s a really handy tool to see a lot of different websites that could have some keycaps that you might be interested in across different regions. Helped me pinpoint the style I wanted for mine.

Little time consuming to go thru a bunch of it, but def worth the exploration

[random zodiac]

thing is, i think i only ever had experience with a single keycap type; ABS

once my wooting keyboard would actually arrive, i'd also get to experience PBT

[stone flax]

abs is another type of plastic

like pbt

[tropic urchin]

Wooting’s default caps are PBT

[random zodiac]

i'm aware. i've heard people here say that PBT is better, though.

[stone flax]

https://wiki.keyboard.gay/KEYCAPS.html start here

[stone flax]

dumb

[cyan lark]

@tropic urchin Just threw in Pros on top of the CF for the first time. They're much more lively!

[stone flax]

theyre intended for different types of caps entirely

[tropic urchin]

Once I put the CF plate in, I was like “what the fuck did I do 💀”

It was a crazy difference from PC

Stuck to it tho

[random zodiac]

i mean, the website you've linked is kind of shitting on ABS, lol...

so many cons

[cyan lark]

I'm trying to figure out where I'll land on things, not that anything is permanent. CF + KoM is wild but unfortunately I think it's genuinely too loud for use late at night, and for work if I'm on a call that's gonna be a no-go. Possible I'll just switch to my 60HE + Pro + friction fit at night.

[stone flax]

also shits on pbt

theres good and bad in everything

it just lists what makes each different

also depends on execution

[random zodiac]

only on the dye-sublimented ones. they're not the ones i'm going for.

[stone flax]

so i assume you want ((((((doubleshot)))))) pbt

big news flash

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I couldn’t imagine lmao, Jade pro CF is about as loud as I’ll venture 🤣

[stone flax]

thats probably not full pbt

[random zodiac]

how so?

[stone flax]

98 percent of the time its a blend involving abs or having the two plastics serves as inner and outter molds

abs is easier to work with and less prone to shrinkage and warping

so most of the doubleshot pbt u see

isnt that

its a blend lol

[random zodiac]

hm, interesting...

[stone flax]

it still shines, if thats an idea u had for considering double shot "pbt" over abs

[random zodiac]

well, my wooting keyboard (assuming postnl would stop being so vague and tell me where it is D:) will have the doubleshot pbt keys, so, would you say that would be sufficient experience with pbt? for when i'd inevitably look into buying third party keycaps

[stone flax]

again

[random zodiac]

is there maybe a website that just sells a small pseudo-keyboard with all of the different types of keycaps, so i could actually test them all out, physically?

[stone flax]

cheat doubleshot pbt = blend

[random zodiac]

yes, that's why i'm asking that

[random zodiac]

is there a website that sells something like this, but for keycaps?

or at least a website that sells singular keycaps?

i don't want to buy entire sets without trying all of them out, first

[stone flax]

are u talking about artisans

or what

[random zodiac]

just

keycap types

[stone flax]

cuz the cost of trying out these different styles im ngl is really dumb

no ones gonna sell a single dyesub pbt cap

or a single mt3

or a single sa

or a single doubleshot abs

and have it be cheap or easy

[random zodiac]

then what is the best way to actually find the best keycaps for me?

if i can't even have a feel of them for myself

just trial and error?

[stone flax]

buy good sets

its not hard

can try out diff profiles and materials

but even within the style and implementation of a keycap set things can be vastly different

take kkb to gmk

and stuff like that

for now just look for a keycap set you like in appearance

because even if ur not sure exactly the feel and sound profile you want you can be pleased with how something looks to start off

the looks of a keycaps can also help determine what style its gonna be (vibrancy of colors in set, types of legends = ballpark of what kind of material could and should be used)

[random zodiac]

speaking of sound profiles, doesn't that have more to do with the switches?

unless the keycaps are made of metal, or something, but that's not what i'm going for

i mean, in that scenario, the screenshot i've sent you earlier would actually be perfect, no?

[stone flax]

nope

[random zodiac]

okay... could you elaborate?

[stone flax]

sure

everything in your keyboard adds up to the sum of the sound

so with keycaps

lets take the size, shape, and composition of it

bigger, taller sets that are thicker are usually louder and can possibly lean towards a stronger sound profile than a thinner and smaller one

abs as a less dense material tends to be higher pitched or livelier than pbt, consider the way keycaps like ceramics and metal behave and sound very different from other materials aswell.

stuff like that

[random zodiac]

ah, i see

man, there are so many things to consider when choosing a keycap type...

which is exactly why i wanted to buy a sample pack, btw. but i get if it's not available

i think i'll just read about the different keycaps more in depth, and see where i go from there

[random loom]

Chat if you have a 80he has anyone tried the bone80 case from Ali am curious

[crimson sky]

trial and error

or go to a meetup

[visual ore]

Pretty sure that case isn't even out yet

[tawdry tree]

That MMPanel looks a lot like the SU68’s software.

Oh, it doesn’t look a lot like MMPanel, it was MMPanel.

Interesting.

[fast oriole]

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are ceramic keycaps bad for gaming

[reef oar]

i mean

i wouldn't say that

they would be worse if anything, but i wouldn't think it matters a whole amount unless you're like already semi pro

[tawdry tree]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[tawdry tree]

For what “Silent” means and has meant in keyboard; some definitely are.

[tawdry tree]

Just put it back bro, it fits. You don’t want to stick your cable in the PCB or have all the force just on the connector.

[drifting bronze]

But it doesn't make good connection? Idk how to fix that

[tawdry tree]

You’re using tray, unless you received a defective unit, it’ll fit just fine.

[drifting bronze]

Ok

[tawdry tree]

Are you able to place it back in?

[uneven thunder]

Any keycap recommendations that would look good with optimum case? Only requirements are cherry profile and not backlit

[tawdry tree]

Many colors can go with grey. Do you have a specific color in your setup or do you want grey keycaps as well?

[uneven thunder]

I don’t really have a specific color but if I had to choose it would probably be black or grey

Maybe white too

[tawdry tree]

Budget?

[uneven thunder]

~$30

[tawdry tree]

Hmm. Maybe a black on grey set on AliExpress?

[stone flax]

shenpo bob

[tawdry tree]

or on Amazon, whichever ships to you/is cheaper.

[uneven thunder]

Is black on grey hard to see in the dark?

That’s my only concern with those

[uneven thunder]

I’ll check it out thanks

[tawdry tree]

Pretty good

[tawdry tree]

Well, yes. If you have your LEDs on, you can read the legends but not very easily

[stone flax]

the mac ones kinda blow imo

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[uneven thunder]

I mean tbh I don’t look at my keyboard when I type anymore so it shouldn’t really be a problem

[tawdry tree]

doesn’t look that bad

[cyan lark]

Less

Around the same

Yes

[stone flax]

Mid50g bottom out at 3.4ishmm

[cyan lark]

I'm indifferent to the reduced travel

Yes

Then jade might be for you. Or Geon Raw 50g.

[stone flax]

This

[cyan lark]

Also look into jade pro if you're thinking jade

That I wouldn't know. Also actuation force is not a real thing with HE.

Since the actuation point is configurable

[stone flax]

reds are around 62.5 gram bottom out at 15mm

Jades are like mid50ish gram bottom out at a similar enough length and 3.4ishmm distance

Actuation force doesnt really exist in he… because of adjustable actuation point

Gateron lists jades as 30grams with variance for inital force but im not sure what that refers to (1-2mm maybe)

yeah

[sacred elm]

Jade pros are 36/50, jades are 30/50

[cyan lark]

Yes

[sacred elm]

also they have longer spring, which makes them feel a bit heavier

jade pros, they are improved version of jades

no reason to get jades now

jades are still good but they cost the same as pros and are worse

[uneven thunder]

Do you guys think wob keycaps would work with the optimum case?

[sacred elm]

Good, but I prefer jade pros feel and sound

[cyan lark]

They sound good and are a killer price. Feel pretty good.

[frail shoal]

I just put my keyboard together and all of the keys with a stabilizer get stuck down. how can I fix this?

[cyan lark]

Remove the pads underneath the stabilizer housing

Sorry, requires tearing it apart again, but 99% likely that's it.

(assuming this is an 80HE)

[frail shoal]

Yes it's an 80HE

[frail shoal]

Explain please?

[cyan lark]

Under the stabilizers are white pads that get sticky. Gotta peel them off.

I believe Wooting said that they would be omitted in future batches, but I guess not 😕

[frail shoal]

damn

I gotta take all of the stabilizers off to do that

😭

[frail shoal]

Not sure if that is my problem though - The stabilizer even if I push it slightly down, it doesn't come back up

It's like it's not springy enough to come back up

[cyan lark]

Hm, could be something else then, this is usually an issue on bottoming out.

Take off the keycap and see if the stabs move freely without the cap on

[frail shoal]

They move freely but they do not spring back up

[sacred elm]

do you use ceramic keycaps

[frail shoal]

which makes sense since the spring is in the switch

[sacred elm]

with light switches

[frail shoal]

I use the wooting keyboard keycaps that it came with

[cyan lark]

Well, the stabs won't spring back up at all without a cap on them

[frail shoal]

I just swapped the stabilizers to AP

[sacred elm]

why

[tawdry tree]

60HE?

😭😭

[cyan lark]

This is 80HE

[tawdry tree]

Hmm

[cyan lark]

TX AP should be fine, I had them installed w/out issue.

[tawdry tree]

Should be fine then

yeah

[sacred elm]

you installed them wrong then

[tawdry tree]

If they move freely without keycap but not with, then they’re under tension with the keycap on. Do you use the stock plate for the 80HE?

[frail shoal]

Yeah stock plate

[tawdry tree]

Can you make a pic of the stabs w/o keycap?

[stone flax]

fix ur stabs

[frail shoal]

I should have thought of that 😭

@tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

Remove the switch, put the keycap on just the stabs and see if they move smoothly.

You have a switch puller right?

[sacred elm]

just go back to stock stabs, why did you even swap them -_-

[stone flax]

because more expensiver stab = better

[tawdry tree]

TX APs should work

[sacred elm]

real

[tawdry tree]

no reason why they shouldn’t.

[sacred elm]

no reason to replace stock stabs

[reef oar]

when you have an aftermarket plate, keycaps, case and switches, there's like a voice in the shadows everywhere you go telling you to buy aftermarket stabs too

[frail shoal]

Yeah

[sacred elm]

is that stock pc plate ? @frail shoal

[tawdry tree]

Ye

[frail shoal]

Yes

[stone flax]

check if the wires are clipped into the stem sides with two holes, also make sure that your stabs are screwin properly

[tawdry tree]

Hmmmmmm

[stone flax]

add a switch back in and check if the travel is normal

[tawdry tree]

The wires seem to be good from his previous pictures

[frail shoal]

I'm almost 100% sure I put them in right

It's not just the space bar. It's every key with a stabilizer

[sacred elm]

just take them out and install one more time

[stone flax]

then it wouldnt have issues

does the issue exist when ur testing the stabs without a plate

[frail shoal]

I already sent a video of this

[stone flax]

when theres no plate

[tawdry tree]

What?

[stone flax]

this video has a plate

[tawdry tree]

Every stabilized key doesn’t return?

[frail shoal]

Yeah all of them

[tawdry tree]

LOL

[stone flax]

skill issue

[tawdry tree]

That’s interesting.

[frail shoal]

Well

[stone flax]

@frail shoal pls try again, spacebar with a switch but no plate

[frail shoal]

Shift is working now

[sacred elm]

what if you lube your stock stabilizers, install them and call it a day

[stone flax]

but then his money

'w'

[cyan lark]

Don't be like that

[sacred elm]

15$ wasted

[frail shoal]

Theres nothing wrong with upgrading stabilizers

[sacred elm]

what upgrade

[slender badger]

Lube keys, W or L?

Worth or massive Loss?

[frail shoal]

All of the other stabilizers seem fine. Space bar is maybe too heavy? Idek

@tawdry tree

[sacred elm]

They sound bad

feel bad

[slender badger]

Interesting

[tawdry tree]

Not heavy. It’s friction.

[slender badger]

THAT'S WHY 60% ON TOP BOI

[stone flax]

PLEASE

TEST IT

WITH NO PLATE

-w-

[slender badger]

The feel is weird.

[frail shoal]

Ok

[stone flax]

ur shift still isnt returning properly btw

[sacred elm]

yes they feel and sound worse than jade pros because of box stem

[frail shoal]

Which one

[slender badger]

Magnetic jade just is an L

[stone flax]

l-shift

wait

@frail shoal

u used tx ap?

and what lube

did u use dielectric

or bdz

[frail shoal]

Krytox gpl 205 gd0

[slender badger]

Im ngl, very bad take, but I love pink switches.

[tawdry tree]

@frail shoal can you try pressing a bit harder on each side of the keycap above the stabilizers. Just to be sure the keycap is seated on the stab properly.

[slender badger]

To me, they feel satisfying

[stone flax]

pink switches?

outemu pinks?

[slender badger]

Yesssss

[tawdry tree]

And please use something like a towel below the PCB.

[sacred elm]

wtf are pink switches

[stone flax]

outemu pinks?

[slender badger]

Um not sure, they were custom made.

[stone flax]

maybe latenpows

idk

[frail shoal]

Yeah I've done this

[tawdry tree]

Pink Jades!!

[tawdry tree]

No improvement?

[slender badger]

I was gifted these keyboards from a friend of mine who collects keyboards

[sacred elm]

I told you already Regular jades are 30/50, jade pros are 36/50 with 20mm spring

[frail shoal]

Nope

Space bar just gets stuck down

All the others seem fine now

[slender badger]

The goat of all goats

[sacred elm]

alright

[slender badger]

The TenZ of all TenZ, the Shroud of Shrouds

[sacred elm]

[tawdry tree]

Okay try without the plate and with a switch if you haven’t already.

[frail shoal]

You mean take the stabilizer off completely

And just put a switch on

[stone flax]

what force do koms bottom out at?

[tawdry tree]

Nah, just take the plate off and put a switch on the PCB

leaving the stabs in place and put a keycap on

then see if it works

[tawdry tree]

Not sure

[visual ore]

Any chance he overlubed?

And the lube is gunking up the stabs?

[stone flax]

possibly

his wires look so wack

and tx ap can easily turn mush

[tawdry tree]

45-50g prob

[tawdry tree]

Unless he filled them to the brim with lube, it’d still return slowly. His look like they’re stuck completely.

[frail shoal]

@tawdry tree

I used a different switch I had in the bag

Maybe the switch isn't good idk

[visual ore]

Overlubed Switch?

Maybe you just overlubed everything

[tawdry tree]

Still doesn’t look very smooth but it’s better

[uneven thunder]

Do all double shot pbts have the same finish/ texture as the stock wooting keycaps?

[tawdry tree]

Never seen that happen but could be. Try to swap them out.

The stabs don’t look crooked right?

[visual ore]

Did you tune your stabs?

[tawdry tree]

The way they sit in the PCB.

[visual ore]

That is a good point

[frail shoal]

No

I swapped the switch

But same thing now

[tawdry tree]

Is the plate crooked?

Stab holes or switch hole

perhaps

[stone flax]

wipe off old lube

or

just go back to stock screwins

wait

this IS STILL WITH A PLATE

oml

[tawdry tree]

he did without

scroll up a bit

[stone flax]

oh

overlubed + plate issue

is my guess

[visual ore]

Maybe plate is too tight for the stabs

[tawdry tree]

That’s the thing, it shouldn’t be.

[sacred elm]

L plate

[tawdry tree]

Mine is fine

[stone flax]

L plate

[tawdry tree]

with Staebies

[quasi hinge]

This happened to me with jade Maxs

[tawdry tree]

Maybe it’s deformed or something 😂

[tawdry tree]

Yeah but that’s cause Maxes come stock with friction

[quasi hinge]

What is the issue here?

[sacred elm]

mystery

[frail shoal]

No idea

[tawdry tree]

I think plate, or stabs.

[quasi hinge]

Seems like a combination of stab /switch

[frail shoal]

I just checked and stabilizer is put in right

[visual ore]

Put back the normal stabs

And check that

[tawdry tree]

Try stock stabs.

[quasi hinge]

Try this

[visual ore]

If that works it's your aftermarket stabs

[tawdry tree]

Just for space

[frail shoal]

Okay

[tawdry tree]

also make a pic of the plate alone, without the keycap on or stabs.

[stone flax]

why do people still buy tx ap in 2025

[tawdry tree]

if you don’t mind ofc

[tawdry tree]

they’re almost perfect bro

duhh

[frail shoal]

Stock stabs work for it

[visual ore]

https://tenor.com/view/danni-mayo-stingers-roxane-wilson-woo-hoo-yes-gif-1460731761234721855

[sacred elm]

L stabs

[tawdry tree]

🥴

[quasi hinge]

Woooooo

What brand stabs lol

[visual ore]

Makes me worried though

[tawdry tree]

TX APs

[visual ore]

I need to buy stabs for another keyboard

[quasi hinge]

Haha

[visual ore]

They didn't include any T.T

[quasi hinge]

I use them on all my boards lol

[tawdry tree]

Yeah it doesn’t make sense why they don’t work

[stone flax]

they suck

[tawdry tree]

I think the plate is crooked or something

[quasi hinge]

Your TX stabs say ‘new edition’?

[visual ore]

Maybe a bad batch

[quasi hinge]

Bad batch….

[sacred elm]

TX APs stabs dont work with aftermarket plates too

80he plates from ali

[tawdry tree]

They were somewhat fine without the plate.

[sacred elm]

they dont work with them

[quasi hinge]

Sounds like we have the explanation

[visual ore]

Well I was going to get TX APs

Anyone got a good stab

[sacred elm]

knight v2

or just stock.

[quasi hinge]

I use em but my plate is stock

[visual ore]

This is for a different board I got didn't come with stock stabs T.T

Not the Wooting though

[tawdry tree]

They aren’t compatible with plates that support plate mounted stabs. You can get plates that support PCB mounted stabs which will be fine with TX APs, Staebies and Type Plus for example.

[visual ore]

Wooting is screw in right?

[tawdry tree]

The width of the stab hole size matters

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[visual ore]

Goddamn....

[quasi hinge]

Unless you have the original 60he

[visual ore]

Okay I will do some research

I never got aftermarket stabs before lol

This is a first

[stone flax]

yikb, knight v2, stock, cherry housings + thicker wire like c3, maiz/paigu

[noble bronze]

having similar issue right now on my 80he, with stock

[visual ore]

https://novelkeys.com/collections/keyboards/products/classic-tkl-keyboard

This is the keyboard I'm referring to btw if anyone has suggestions

[stone flax]

why not a transition lite

[quasi hinge]

Yeah I changed mine immediately after upgrading to the 80he

[tawdry tree]

Cherry’s spec (plate mount stab holes) is 6.65mm which TX APs, Staebies, Type Plus and Durocks don’t fit through.

[visual ore]

Won this in a giveaway

[tawdry tree]

They’re around 6.80mm

[noble bronze]

my backspace/left shift just stay pressed in

[stone flax]

ily

gj

[quasi hinge]

Change or lube the stabs if you can

[visual ore]

Thanks

[stone flax]

dont ever pay 90 bucks for injection molded case

too chungus

[visual ore]

Hahah yeah for 90 I would only go for alu

[noble bronze]

just wild cause i just got it in an hour ago.

[visual ore]

Still can't complain about free

[tawdry tree]

If you don’t press them all the way, do they return properly?

[visual ore]

That's a hot board

[noble bronze]

when i put the keycap on, it sinks immediately

[tawdry tree]

Cerakeys?

[noble bronze]

everything is stock minus switches, jade maxes

[visual ore]

What keycaps

[noble bronze]

stock

[visual ore]

o.o

[quasi hinge]

Oh my, the Maxs….

[visual ore]

Huh weird

[tawdry tree]

You’re telling me when you put a stock keycap on the switch, it sinks immediately?

[sacred elm]

Maxes Bleh

[noble bronze]

ill record

[quasi hinge]

Jade Maxs are bunk crap, I had that happen with all 160 Jade Max switches

[visual ore]

Plz do

[quasi hinge]

Returned them and got a refund

Jade Maxs are horrible

I cannot understate how horrible they are

Anyone who says otherwise is either dealing with extreme copium or never tried them

[sacred elm]

160??

[quasi hinge]

Yes lol

But Gateron refunded me

[tropic urchin]

Jade maximum copium

[quasi hinge]

Get Geon Raw 50g

[foggy cape]

Any ws dash enjoyers

[sacred elm]

no

[stone flax]

no

[foggy cape]

gg

[visual ore]

160 wtf

[tropic urchin]

Jade pro church is accepting applications

[visual ore]

The 1% with TTCPOM looking down at you all.

[quasi hinge]

1 set for the 60he+ and for the 80he

[visual ore]

Although tbf I got them on sale

[foggy cape]

I need a new case more than anything ngl

[visual ore]

xD

[tropic urchin]

But they don’t have ears after listening to their keeb

[quasi hinge]

What a mistake that was lol

[visual ore]

Hahaha

[kind helm]

at least my ears still work after pressing my keyboard

[tropic urchin]

End of September ish

Been out for a few months

[tawdry tree]

It’s a Jade recolor, not worth.

No.

[quasi hinge]

The House of Geon stands tall amongst the rest

[frail shoal]

I think good now

[tropic urchin]

Jades are the OG switches, but pros have better tolerance + longer spring for better rebound

[sacred elm]

Why are you asking same question when we all answered before

[frail shoal]

Thank you @tawdry tree 🫡

[foggy cape]

It was cheaper at the time when I bought it

[frail shoal]

And everyone

[stone flax]

yall just wanna be different, raw he on top

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/toradora-chalk-angry-mad-teacher-gif-21310692

[quasi hinge]

Wahahahaha

[visual ore]

TBH this is the switch I would have gone with

[tawdry tree]

Well, it’s not really great that you can’t use them.

[visual ore]

Had that sale for the TTC not popped up

[tawdry tree]

Do the stock stabs feel fine?

[sacred elm]

what opinion

they are same switch but worse

why would anyone prefer it

[foggy cape]

Any one have the tofu case? And if so how is it?

[stone flax]

only maybe 9000 people

[foggy cape]

I don’t think I wanna blow $350 on an fjell

[kind helm]

for the options you have around 100 right now, its good, imo

[stone flax]

fjell sucks

[sacred elm]

jade pros are probably similar to mx reds, regular jades are lighter

they feel a lot lighter even compared to jade pros

[stone flax]

raw he

[noble bronze]

resolved the issue, it was just one jade max switch that was having an issue. but it was the switch itself

swapped to a spare and its fine

[stone flax]

jade max moment

[noble bronze]

first jade issue period in over 4 kbs

[sacred elm]

good idea

[noble bronze]

so idk what the hate stems from truly

[sacred elm]

jade max

[noble bronze]

yes i get it

emojis and all you dont like it

[stone flax]

its literally bad

[cyan lark]

Just pick what you like more. mj will always tell people to get geon raw.

[stone flax]

it has issues that gateron themselve admit exists

[kind helm]

just get raw™

[noble bronze]

oh so ur trolling

got it lol

[kind helm]

not really...

[sacred elm]

you dont notice scratchiness of maxes?

[stone flax]

?

idk if ur coping

but the pc on pc friction issues

[noble bronze]

im not

[stone flax]

are quite literally a qc issue

[cyan lark]

They are good, but they're not the only game in town.

[noble bronze]

i just choose not to be insufferable

[stone flax]

theres no contest here

if gateron says the switches have an issue, people can say that aswell

and they do

[kind helm]

but it is not hate, there is a objective problem that exists in the switch?

[sacred elm]

"The technical departments has made optimizations, and we will continue to collect customer feedback to continually improve our products"

tldr "Jade maxes suck, we cant fix it"

[stone flax]

they can fix it

its literally a laze and money thing

[inland jetty]

mj-raw-pp hmmmm

[sacred elm]

good for you if you dont notice friction on every keypress

[frail shoal]

how can I get the keyboard to stand up angled more?

I don't think any of my boxes came with it

[noble bronze]

cheers lad

[stone flax]

it is infinitely cheaper for them to just refund maxes for people who understandably complained they feel like dogshit than redo their entire tooling and recall the problematic switches

[kind helm]

i think they can't fix it, it would be confusing for customers if the fixed version has the same name as the old version, just refine it and call it a v2 then discontinue the jade max would be the play

[stone flax]

but saying theyre good is coping

[sacred elm]

there are 6degree and 10degree feet included in the box

[inland jetty]

😂

[frail shoal]

which box?

[sacred elm]

keyboard

box

[frail shoal]

lol which one

I got everything custom

[sacred elm]

it should be with the case

[stone flax]

cheers, if ya ever want a switch that feels good get raw he or jade pro 💪

[sacred elm]

no

[noble bronze]

ill be sure to ring your pockets too if im lookin for a wally and someone to take the piss

[sacred elm]

they are outdated

[cyan lark]

Don't forget KoM 👑

[kind helm]

king of ear r4p3

[sacred elm]

no point of getting raptors now, they are infinitely worse switches

[stone flax]

again in english please

[inland jetty]

kom get this bat sir 😆

[sacred elm]

I think youre pissed not us, we are just stating facts

[stone flax]

only worth it for stemswapped raptor frankenswitch, but at that point just buy lekker v2/hejins

[frail shoal]

I actually did not get any

[kind helm]

what is the hejin one?

[stone flax]

yea, we're just calling out the product and not him? if we were dissing a switch he didnt own would the reaction be the same

[stone flax]

lekker v2 are just hejins sold for upcharge

lol

[inland jetty]

wait can you link? i wanna see

[kind helm]

thanks

[sacred elm]

they 100% should be in one of the boxes

[tawdry tree]

@noble bronze genuinely, I’d actually try to get a refund if you’re still in the refund period.

[cyan lark]

Kom now we're past puns

[frail shoal]

I really don't have one lol

[stone flax]

[inland jetty]

i shall kom

[cyan lark]

I'll stop when you stop enjoying it.

[kind helm]

25 for 70, hmmmm

[tawdry tree]

They were cheaper before but it seems like they too are out of production currently.

[kind helm]

too bad not on amazon, let's see if its on ali

25 dollars and free shipping lekker v2

[stone flax]

yowza

[sacred elm]

You didnt get small bag ? those silicon feet are in it with a switch puller and stuff

[stone flax]

yowza

more than 200%

geez

[noble bronze]

in favor of geon raws?

[tawdry tree]

Any switch really. Be it Raw HEs, Jade Pros or KoMs.

[kind helm]

but but but wooting is so passionate about what they do. you gotta support wooting

[stone flax]

i would be more than willing to pay 2 times the cost of a switch plus additional shipping if it means my switches have a wooting logo on them

[tawdry tree]

reallll

[frail shoal]

Yeah I did not get any of that

[stone flax]

oh

[kind helm]

of course, all day, anytime

[stone flax]

oops

[frail shoal]

I just looked through everything just now

[stone flax]

cant even get the wooting logo sometimes

😒

[frail shoal]

wooting logo?

[quasi hinge]

He is not wrong

[tawdry tree]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT LMAOO

[frail shoal]

I didn't even get any stickers if that's what you're saying lmao

This keyboard feels great to type on

I can't stop

[noble bronze]

so whats the effect longterm of jade maxes then if i keep em

looking at other switch options ship to uk

[kind helm]

just not as good, still usable, it is just not worth the money unfortunately.

[noble bronze]

fetched a 90pc set for 60quid

[tawdry tree]

If you like them, keep them. The friction issues will probably become less severe overtime but for the price they are, it isn’t worth it IMO.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, that’s pretty fucking insane.

[inland jetty]

someone got a 90 set for 40 bucks

[tawdry tree]

Raw HEs are half that.

[kind helm]

i would go for raw he

[stone flax]

i wish it was the good kind of friction like mx scratch

but no

its just stick slip

🤢

[noble bronze]

but would be a pain to wait so long on shipping

whats the spot to buy em

[kind helm]

Raw He is the Value King

[stone flax]

prototypist

delta key co

eloquent clicks

kbdfans on ali

[tawdry tree]

You can get them from DeltaKey or from Ali.

[inland jetty]

for you and me 100% but for someone else thats never in the hobby, they might even enjoy it lmfao. I genuinely see some people actually enjoy it. Not me tho

[noble bronze]

cheers

[frail shoal]

Found it inside of the case zipper box

[sacred elm]

yea

[kind helm]

raw he is perfect for some one that is not in this hobby. inexpensive yet high quality.

for me i know i gonna burn money like a dumb ass on other switches

[visual ore]

You can get like what 110 for $40?

[kind helm]

for example, the ass cheek sticky rice v2 and the hopefully not so bad sticky rice v1

[quasi hinge]

Go for Geon Raw 50g never looked back

[inland jetty]

this hobby is a luxury to begin with lmfao

[visual ore]

^

[kind helm]

if you dont buy from wooting it is not so expensive

[visual ore]

I mean you cannnnn make a custom keyboard for cheap

[inland jetty]

but normal people dont build keyboards

[visual ore]

But it still can't beat a $15 dell keyboard

In terms of cost

xD

[inland jetty]

hell, even tyler 1 is content with his $5 wallmart keyboards

[stone flax]

they should

[inland jetty]

100% agreed, they just dont know

[visual ore]

Nah some know

But don't care

[inland jetty]

its expensive too tho hahaha

[visual ore]

Like go to your mother right now

[inland jetty]

fair point sir

[visual ore]

And show off your keyboard

[kind helm]

i can build a good enough mx board with 100 ez

[noble bronze]

should be quick ship, looks like prototypist near Leeds

and im just shy north of london

[quasi hinge]

Brain tumors

[inland jetty]

ur gonna make me drive 5 hours for an ass whooping

[visual ore]

Don't think she will care until you tell her how much you spent tbh

xD

[kind helm]

ptsd moment

[visual ore]

HAHAHA

[inland jetty]

listen, with the LAZAR 80HE, the aliens will cure the tumor. easy fix

rinse & repeat

[kind helm]

it is not really a fair example, for someone who use computer daily, they would appreciate a good keyboard.

[inland jetty]

i think his point was more about if people would care enough to actually do it, not if they would appreciate it, if used.

[stone flax]

Another W for raw lovers

[quasi hinge]

Knew there was something wrong with me lmao

[inland jetty]

i have raws on btw, thats the irony with this whole thing

i have yet to swap to the pros

[glacial wind]

It’s a disingenuous argument because v2s are bought via half price discount usually

So they’re same as other budget alternatives

[visual ore]

Welllllll

I agree in terms of good keyboard

Not in terms of custom keyboard

[stone flax]

Wootpr time

[glacial wind]

Generally most folks shouldn’t buy v2s at full price but I’d also assume most folks aren’t because they’re either getting v2s in prebuilt or they buy it half price with module discount