🔧│keyboard_modding

[stone flax]

For what

[vale mica]

Modding

Anything

On the keyboard obvs

[stone flax]

then yes

[vale mica]

Can I just rip switches and keycaps out

[sage flicker]

anyone here ever use topre or SA keycaps? Wondering if the SA height negatively impacts typing speed.

[tawdry tree]

KBD ships from China so import and shipping will be quite high. You can get Raw HEs from DeltaKeyCo in the Eu.

[polar girder]

I’m not a typist but no

[tawdry tree]

Lekker edition is dyesub, I think dyesub is often smoother.

[polar girder]

Like I used SA and it didn’t slow me down

It’s HE. there’s no such thing.

[sage flicker]

ah ok ty. Will look that term in searches.

[tawdry tree]

“As quiet as possible” is definitely possible. “Silent” however is not.

[vale mica]

How abt the holy60

[tawdry tree]

Same thing, if you get it from KBD, import and shipping will make it much more expensive. If it isn’t on Ali or maxgaming that would be your only option.

[orchid folio]

how do you make sure you dont actually buy knockoff stuff or low quality? i kinda want to upgrade my base 60 he with german layout but im worried that all the keycaps i get off sth like amazon are just gonna be bad quality, overpriced or both

[tawdry tree]

For amazon specifically, you don’t know.

[orchid folio]

the only source i would trust rn is the wooting store but i dont like the alternative keycap sets too much

[tawdry tree]

On Ali express you’ll get it for the cheapest price but won’t know quality.

[drifting bronze]

how

just foam

foam

foam

[vapid oracle]

Jade pros better

[tawdry tree]

and on keycap vendors you’ll know the quality but the price will be high(er).

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[orchid folio]

what are keycap vendors?

[drifting bronze]

anything else?

[orchid folio]

i literally only ever had prebuilts

[tawdry tree]

You can stuff your spacebar with foam too.

[vale mica]

They don’t ship to my house , delta key co , for the geon raws

[drifting bronze]

i dont have sticky foam

[tawdry tree]

Where are you from?

[orchid folio]

germany, EU

[tawdry tree]

Oblotzky, Keygem

DeltaKeyCo

[vale mica]

,

[orchid folio]

ill look into that, thx!

[tawdry tree]

and Akko (the cheaper option and still of good quality).

[tawdry tree]

😭

[vale mica]

Uk

[drifting bronze]

is there any keycap venders for eu ?

[vale mica]

That’s where I from so kill me now

[tawdry tree]

You can get precut foam from Ali.

[orchid folio]

i dont really mind paying a little extra as long as i dont get a bad product for it

[tawdry tree]

Oh, it’s you. I didn’t remember mb..

Yeah, then from Ali or KBD.

[vale mica]

Oh we ardy met

I don’t trust Ali

[tawdry tree]

Trust Ali.

Unless you wanna pay more, that’s fine too.

[tawdry tree]

^ @drifting bronze

[vale mica]

Do they also have the holy60?

[tawdry tree]

You’ll get very high - the best quality from the sites I sent.

[orchid folio]

already checking them out :D

[drifting bronze]

could i also use ansi layout for iso french in window

s

[tawdry tree]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EyktoEy

KBD’s Ali store

Has Raw HEs too.

[vale mica]

U ordered from him b4?

[tawdry tree]

What do you mean? An ANSI set on an ISO board?

[drifting bronze]

iso board

[tawdry tree]

I ordered countless times from Ali.

[vale mica]

From that guy tho

[tawdry tree]

It’s better than Amazon by a long shot.

[tawdry tree]

It’s KBDFans

[vapid oracle]

Jade pros bro don’t sleep 😭

[tawdry tree]

that’s their Ali store.

[cyan lark]

Alright I'm creating an Ali Express account. Tired of hearing all the praise on not taking part.

[vapid oracle]

Sketch site

[vale mica]

Ohh

[hollow whale]

i bought some tx pcb stabs should i even change them for my 60he+ if i dont have lube for them
UUSI

[cyan lark]

Honestly Amazon has been sketchy for years now

[tawdry tree]

GG, all your data will be going directly to china. o7

[vale mica]

I kinda wanna get a white case but I don’t have a white pc so the aesthetics would be all wrong

[tawdry tree]

Amazon tries so hard to become Ali and they just can’t do it.

Amazon was trusted to have “good shit” and not drop shipped garbage but now Amazon and Ali have the exact same shit, Ali is just way cheaper.

[vale mica]

Whatchu think

[orchid folio]

so true

[tawdry tree]

It can still work.

[tawdry tree]

If you have a white mouse, and black deskmat?

[vale mica]

What’s the difference between pc and e white , they look the same

[orchid folio]

when i just want something cheap i check aliexpress, like stuff you can hardly mess up. only time i get stuff from amazon is when i exactly know what i want to buy beforehand

[vale mica]

I don’t have a white mouse but I’m planning on getting

[tawdry tree]

PC is transparent.

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[wraith bolt]

Hi guys, All White Keyboard no posssible to ordeR?

[tawdry tree]

IMO, amazon’s failure is when they started to sell less shit themselves and let random people sell whatever they wanted.

[polar girder]

Ish

[tawdry tree]

How you mean?

[tawdry tree]

Translucent*

[tropic urchin]

Not currently, will be a few more months probably til the white zinc v2 is put back up

[tawdry tree]

mb

[tropic urchin]

By spring time would be a decent guess for now

[wraith bolt]

i want order 80HE, but all White

[tawdry tree]

Ohh

[wraith bolt]

its not Possible

why xD

[tawdry tree]

^

[tropic urchin]

They’re still tweaking the coating

[vale mica]

How long do they take to restock @tawdry tree ?

[tawdry tree]

What’s out of stock?

Oh E-White

[vale mica]

White holy60

[tawdry tree]

Ehhhhhh

[tropic urchin]

No timetable currently but they’ve been working on it since batch 2 V1s got shipped out. They have a video covering it a little bit, but we don’t have a real estimate outside of targeting Q1 2025 for any tangible information.

[tawdry tree]

It’s anyones guess tbh. You could sent them a message.

[tropic urchin]

It’s the tough pill to swallow nobody wants to hear unfortunately

[tawdry tree]

On their Ali store. Sometimes they still have stock and add them right away.

[vale mica]

I’m just rly scared of acc modding it tho

I don’t wanna break the module

[tawdry tree]

Whyyy, it’s just tray.

[vale mica]

That’s £100

[tawdry tree]

You won’t man. If you don’t use a power drill to screw in, you’ll be fine.

[cyan lark]

It is done. Is Keyboard Fun Store the place on Ali, or are there others worth keeping an eye on?

[vale mica]

Has anyone acc ever done that

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, on Ali all import and shipping is shown upfront.

So that’s the price you’ll pay.

No hidden costs.

[cyan lark]

What's "acc"?

[tropic urchin]

I think so, KBDfans is also doing their own plates too

[tawdry tree]

Brother, the better question would be what hasn’t been done here.

[tawdry tree]

Actually

[cyan lark]

Thank you 😌

[tropic urchin]

I thought it was accidentally 😅

[tawdry tree]

😂

[vale mica]

Ye tbh

[cyan lark]

That's really disappointing (power drill)

You try to reserve hope in humanity, but sometimes there's these little things you hear that chip away at it

Or I suppose in this case, drill a fucking hole in it.

[orchid folio]

is there legendless keycaps that also allow the led light to shine through

[tawdry tree]

Translucent blanks maybe?

[orchid folio]

thatd be sick

[tawdry tree]

Or you mean shinethrough only the legend?

[orchid folio]

noo i mean like

just no letters and only shinethrough

i think what you said is what i meant

basically like glass or like just seethrough

actually what you said is even better

[vale mica]

Can I change switches wail the module is in the case or do I have to remove it )

[tawdry tree]

You can change switches when the Module is in the case, yes. All you need is a switch puller if there are already switches installed.

[tawdry tree]

I’m not sure. Something like this:

[vale mica]

Does that come on the wooting box ?

[tawdry tree]

I think so but Woot’s isn’t great. You can get one for cheap off of Ali as well.

[vale mica]

Will the wooting one do the job?

[tawdry tree]

Which switches are you planning on switching out?

[vale mica]

The base ones

[ionic breach]

u dont need one

[orchid folio]

yea thats what i thought of, but it looked better in my imagination, kinda forgot youd just look at switches

[ionic breach]

just take a screw driver

[vale mica]

Flat head ?

[ionic breach]

and remove the plate

[tawdry tree]

Lekker V2s and Raw HEs are a pain to pull with any switch puller but especially the Wooting one.

[ionic breach]

no ph1 lmao

[vale mica]

lol

[ionic breach]

please dont use a screwdriver to pry it out

[vale mica]

Ugh

[ionic breach]

remove the plate and push it out from behind

[hollow whale]

i bought some tx pcb stabs should i even change them for my 60he+ if i dont have lube for them****

[ionic breach]

no need for a new switch puller

[tawdry tree]

It’d look better with the LEDs on tbh but still kinda eh

[vale mica]

It may be a pain but will it get the job done ?

[proven wadi]

@tawdry tree yes the wooting switch puller isnt working good with the lekker v2 for sure. i used another one

[tawdry tree]

They don’t even fit well - at all, so no.

[tawdry tree]

Maybe, probably.

[hollow whale]

but are the wooting stabs good

[proven wadi]

i used one of these

[vale mica]

Mabye , probably ?

Is it the teeth that are bad or the grip ?

[tawdry tree]

60HE+ prebuilt or Module?

[hollow whale]

module

[tawdry tree]

It’s that they are plastic.

[proven wadi]

they are plastic, so when u press them together nothing happens, and when u pull up it loses the grip

[vale mica]

Oh

I see

[tawdry tree]

Then stock stabs are good!

[hollow whale]

oh ok good goo

[vale mica]

Can I put tape on em , would that work, like masking tape

Improve da grip

[proven wadi]

@barn just get a basic one from amazon, and u will be good. i used the wooting one for 2 keycaps before i changed :p

[polar girder]

Taking out switches is my least favorite part of keyboard modding NGL

[fluid ravine]

Arthritis do be slapping

[vale mica]

Lel ok I guess

I’m a cheapskate

[tawdry tree]

I love taking out TTCs

[proven wadi]

https://www.amazon.se/Velleman-VTIC-Low-Cost-extraheringsverktyg-flerfärgad/dp/B003U8DXNA/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2I2H7U5SX60M&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Ie8U8qb_s1OgF9jaewEtG5MDRZAzYf3rNEFLWs0tULyez7i-1rbqRwdc_wXrIDYZqdAVympWbK3mIQPHhgwqd1Mn-k5y8W6oFOW0egFwP-1ZaRsHpTlRkJzaz75Ei7PvkfGWXEhRTU39IvsWAJlYqVbfz815jVzrbsDCcFztpPOFhfaRmCYfw0SihTAvO06O6eoAkK7vbqxasXtZB2VhMkWtN8nrjHlQlBAK8irM1qEY8BzfhxkTF98Eyn-Lg4zsmHOLh6RmQwkOEOWZ98tXMt1SRRVQTQPPlXhImo6MUG2OFVRCajCOHksFv__oOqYRklxYTNxUt14fraEnrV-Gzd35ZTXkR8oSuxBfT5jEqeQjPCGPf6s3AUKbPDybOqvRqt8gD2so1mvYYj-S6zu4XpHbcQbCaizf6uqkmUdBELBeiJ-o_BG5aiY-lbvP3qss.f5kdAVTuaO2BpMMWvAW5AKyr2rMHpn6g4uDl0SZHl4k&dib_tag=se&keywords=switch+puller&qid=1735851783&sprefix=switch+pulle%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-6

[tawdry tree]

and opening them too.

[proven wadi]

something like this works alot better

[fluid ravine]

What they like :0

[tropic urchin]

Facts

Esp for plate swapping

That shit is mad annoying

[proven wadi]

its like €5 :p

[tawdry tree]

I don’t like their sound, of course but they nailed everything else. From stability to pulling, to opening.

Very smooth and well designed/thought through (unlike Gateron and Hejin).

[wraith bolt]

anybody now, what is RAW Color?

[tropic urchin]

Think of it as like industrial metal colored

Very shiny and chrome like

[wraith bolt]

ah ok thats cool

Thanks

[tropic urchin]

Won’t be white, but it’s kinda like your metallic aluminum grey ish color, if you go to Wooting YT there’s a few videos show casing the color

[proven wadi]

@tawdry tree i got the geon raw hc, and i really like them, but im kinda tempted to order a set of "TTC Full POM King Of Magnetic" switches. you dont think they are as good as the geon raw?

[tropic urchin]

They will have flow marks tho from the coating injections @wraith bolt

I’d take a look before ordering

[wraith bolt]

Y thanks i will take a look

[tawdry tree]

They are different. However good TTCs are, their price is unjustifiable so I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone.

[wraith bolt]

3 Months 😦 oh no

[night atlas]

what would you say the better options for sound/feel are?

I got PC, but I'm curious to try others

[tropic urchin]

That’s about the average time

Maybe shorter

[wraith bolt]

lets hope 😄

[tropic urchin]

I waited about 4 months and change for batch 2 white zinc

End of July to beginning December

[tropic urchin]

Do you want a lot of clack?

Or if you want a more balanced experience, FR4 would be a good bet if you have the 80HE (think 60 has more options currently)

[night atlas]

I'd prefer less, but I'm unsure if my perception of clack is correct

I assume the clacking comes from the stiffness/hardness of the board right?

I'm aware that thocky is out of question at this point, but I do want something bassier

idk if I'm making sense lol

[tropic urchin]

Variety of factors but the main 3: case material, switches and switch plate (and also foam) will dictate a lot

[tropic urchin]

Not entirely, but it is possible to make it deeper and less loud, but not the mythical thock everyone wants

Would you say you lean towards a quieter experience

[night atlas]

Okay gotcha, fwiw I have:
60he module
WS dashes handlubed
3 layer tape mod
tofu 60 redux acryllic (using only 3 of 5 standoffs)
poron plate foam/case foam

[tropic urchin]

The softer your plate, the more dampened and quieter your sound will be. FR4 was kind of an equal balance of clack/thock and PC was very thock

[tropic urchin]

Ah I see jade recolor user, to start I’d say FR4 might be a good bet for you

So clack is still semi on the table

[night atlas]

Okay I should probably explain my strongest preference, i do dislike how the keypresses kinda vibrate the plate

it's not exactly pingy, but yea

you get what I'm sayin?

I generally want a softer experience

[tropic urchin]

I haven’t experienced that personally, I think if you go stiffer then you might get more since it’s less soft if that makes sense. But usually more ping is for metal plates (like steel for example)

[night atlas]

I assume ur switch of choice is the jade pros 😂 still don't know what the diff is between the pros and the non pros

[tropic urchin]

Less stem wobble (tighter tolerances) and longer spring for improved rebound

[night atlas]

I assume the PE foam mod would probably be shit for calibration huh

aka putting a sheet of it and just stabbing my switches through it

i did that before on another keyboard, but it made it TOO soft, mushy even.

what configuration are you running?

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I’d stay away from that

[proven wadi]

@night atlas get your self Geon raw he switches and you will be set 🙂

[tropic urchin]

So currently: white zinc + Jade pros + CF plate + stock PET film and stock case foam + GMK caps

[rapid sedge]

gmk keycaps are expensive but great quality

[night atlas]

You see, I hear people advocating for those and the pros, but I think I really just need to try them in person to really hear the difference cause it's so minute + doesn't reflect how it'd sound on my board

that's the only thing stopping me from trying

[night atlas]

oooooo, got a sound test?

[drifting bronze]

YEA

[proven wadi]

@night atlas the only way is to get both jade pro and geon raw, and try them both 🙂

[drifting bronze]

not my layout tho

[night atlas]

you're not wrong...

maybe in a few months lmao.. I was santa this year for my fam and friends 🥹

wallet hurtin

[proven wadi]

i have them both, and tbh the jade pro´s are very nice too. i would be happy with either one of them

[tropic urchin]

This will be loud, but here you go:

I hated PC bc it restrained the Jade pros, but CF makes it pop 50-70% more

[proven wadi]

1. Geon raw
2. jade pro
3. jade
4. lekker v2 45g
   and then the lekker v1s, this is how i would rate the ones i got

[tropic urchin]

I had to put my space bar foam back in bc it started sounding like a gun shot

[night atlas]

sounds very nice, thanks for the video!

[tropic urchin]

If you don’t mind more clack and darker RGB I love my CF plate

[night atlas]

I have a sound test, but my audio interface is mixed specifically for my voice so it's horribly inaccurate lol

[tropic urchin]

I think I started a trend in here but CF plate is really sweet

[night atlas]

Oh yea idgaf about RGB lol

like i use it and it looks nice, but it's not a dealbreaker

[tropic urchin]

Jade pros + CF might be in your future then 😈

[night atlas]

Thanks for this, will keep this in mind for my next mods 🙂

[harsh dove]

my man

[hollow whale]

witch is betteer the 60he mtal or pc plat

[harsh dove]

Preference

Buy them all and try every single one /s

[hollow whale]

bro i aint that rich

[harsh dove]

/s = sarcasm

[tropic urchin]

None are better inherently, but it depends on what sound profile you want more

[tropic urchin]

Do you like flexible and soft plates, or do you want max clack and for your shit to not move if you press hard

[harsh dove]

My personal faves are Aluminum, POM, and Carbon Fiber plates

[night atlas]

I prefer more flex, obviously without compromising performance

[tropic urchin]

I really wanna try aluminum

Cmon KBDfans

[harsh dove]

good keycap set

howevever you have two right shifts

[night atlas]

idk if y'all gon hate me for this

[harsh dove]

idk if you knew that

[night atlas]

but i got the clones lmao

[harsh dove]

lol

[hollow whale]

i man i dont rally know im kinda nw to this stuff

[tropic urchin]

Excommunicated… IMMEDIATELY

How dare you save money

[harsh dove]

Clones are fine, I don't get them myself but it's fine, but switch your Return and Shift keys for me lol @night atlas

[night atlas]

why u think i got the ws dashes

[tropic urchin]

What do you have currently

[night atlas]

good eye LMFAOOOO

i'll think twice about posting my keyboard anywhere now

[harsh dove]

lmao

[night atlas]

wonder if my keeb homies noticed

[harsh dove]

you all good

[tropic urchin]

Don’t let the haters win

[night atlas]

haha i'm just joshin

[tropic urchin]

Steel plate will be the stiffest plate, it will be pretty loud and other people don’t like the metallic ping that comes with it. PC plate is very soft and flexible, which will result in a more dampened and muted sound experience. If you don’t know what you like, I’d try to target a balanced plate (FR4 or aluminum)

[tropic urchin]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[night atlas]

okay, so back to a problem i have, it's hard to capture it on audio or video

but, the top two rows of keys sound and feel significantly different than the rest.

it almost feels like the when stabs aren't tuned and have that ticking noise

[proven wadi]

i never knew that the shift and enter key was the same size on american keyboard :p

[tropic urchin]

Different rows will have some variance, but it probably shouldn’t be extremely different

[night atlas]

I have the acryllic tofu60 redux and the standoffs at the outer corners broke, so I don't use them

is that probably the reason why?

[harsh dove]

just Left shift but yeah lol

[night atlas]

it's PRETTY different, like I know keys sound different in different places but yea

[tropic urchin]

That definitely doesn’t help things tbh. If it’s on that side then it could be influencing it

[night atlas]

damn...

yea the acryllic standoffs snapped off SUPER easily, u can imagine how pissed I was considering this was my first custom keyboard build ever lol

[tropic urchin]

Could be other factors too, but missing standoffs might be a cause

[night atlas]

didn't over tighten or anything, literally the standoffs broke when I tried seating the board gently

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I’d be pretty upset too, rip

[night atlas]

It looks nice to me tho at least 🥲

[proven wadi]

i wonder how long it would take to get use to that my enter key wasnt shaped like this 🙂

[harsh dove]

You can try doing a gummy or friction mount instead then

Since the standoffs are broken

[night atlas]

what's the difference? I genuinely thought they were the same

unless that's what you're implying

[tropic urchin]

Friction mount might be legit for him since it has a softer sound than fully screwed in from sander’s test

[harsh dove]

Gummy O Ring and Friction Mount are technically the same really, gummy o-ring using a silicone o-ring that you wrap between the plate and PCB, then you insert it into the case without any screws, it just secures itself into the case via friction.

You can also buy a friction fit pad from Wooting and achieve the same effect as an o-ring

[modern surge]

the gummy o ring is easier to instal thats really all

[night atlas]

Does it affect calibration?

[harsh dove]

No

Just changes sound and feel

[night atlas]

I just put that shit on like a condom and chuck it in the case?

[harsh dove]

Basically

[night atlas]

type shit

[harsh dove]

It goes between the switch plate and PCB

[night atlas]

Where does one cop a gummy o ring, could I just go amazon?

assuming the sizes are the same, materials itself shouldn't matter TOO much right?

like some premium silicone ring shouldn't sound that different

[harsh dove]

https://wooting.io/product/friction-fit-pad

https://mech.land/products/graveshift-o-rings

For the O rings you want Medium size and between 30 - 70 A

[night atlas]

gotcha

[harsh dove]

Numbers determine the hardness/stiffness. higher number = stiffer

[night atlas]

I'll prob get the ring cause I do like poron platefoam

[harsh dove]

Yeah the ring allows you to still use plate foam

The friction fit pad does not

[night atlas]

fuck man now I gotta look up videos about the ring stiffness??

[harsh dove]

Honestly I just recommend 40A

[night atlas]

love this new hobby of mine but man everything is a rabbit hole LOL

ok imma just do that and save myself some brain power

[harsh dove]

I’ve tested all of them myself

[tropic urchin]

That’s the fun part

[little glen]

o shit when did the friction fit pad get listed on the store

[night atlas]

welp time to buy more shit lol

[night atlas]

what're the differences?

as far as feeling goes

like, was there a "too soft"

[harsh dove]

Well 30A is as soft as it goes and that works fine too

Mainly just changes how much flex or bounce your keyboard has

Stiffer/Higher Number = Less Bounce/Flex

[night atlas]

i c i c

work can wait... gonna look up keyboard shit now lol

I'll start w/the ring and maybe see wassup w/the switch and the plates

I haven't seen any vids of the PP plates, wanna see wassu pwith that too

[harsh dove]

yeah just start slow, one mod at a time

[tropic urchin]

That thing is gonna be bendy af since its even softer than PC

And PC feels like a flopping fish when you flex it

[visual ore]

Woops wrong chat

[harsh dove]

Hey I wanted to see that

[night atlas]

I wouldn't mind flex

[quartz jay]

Anyone know any white and red cables for wooting?

[night atlas]

i prefer that

I can't find any vids w/that plate tho

[visual ore]

It was just a picture of the ram specs for the 5080

[harsh dove]

Lol yeah I seen it

[visual ore]

16 GBs T.T

[harsh dove]

Not surprised but also a bit surprised it's not at least 20gb

[tropic urchin]

I’d probably stick from 1-4/8s on the modding FAQ

FR4 has some flex to it but not as much as PC

If I wasn’t a maniac I’d probably use FR4 but CF volume is peak jades

[sacred elm]

you dont mind, but keyboard does

[night atlas]

I'm just now seeing that I may have installed my switches wrong, didn't catch this

[harsh dove]

It doesn't matter

[night atlas]

is it bad for performance?

[harsh dove]

Unless you care about RGB

Which I don't personally

[night atlas]

do u think it contributes to that ticking issue I mentioned?

[harsh dove]

No

[night atlas]

Gotcha

[proven wadi]

@quartz jay https://www.ipopularshop.com/products/geekcable-red-white-handmade-customized-mechanical-keyboard-cable-1

[quartz jay]

will it affect the wooting’s performance? I heard people have some problems with certain cables

[sacred elm]

😳scroll wheel

[quartz jay]

yeah its fire🔥

[proven wadi]

@quartz jay before i had the wooting one i had a random one and it worked fine too :p

https://www.globalsources.com/USB-C/Mechanical-Keyboard-Type-C-cable-1180928640p.htm

[sacred elm]

i dont think so, that seems to be good quality coiled cable

but not a fact

[harsh dove]

Straight Cables >

[sacred elm]

based

[quartz jay]

Eh I’ll just cook with wooting’s cable ggs

[sacred elm]

maybe this😳

[proven wadi]

https://cablemod.com/cablemod-keyboard-cables/

here im sure you can make one that will be perfect for you @quartz jay

[quartz jay]

As long as it works 😅

[polar girder]

https://geon.works/products/geon-cable-3

This one’s a good deal if you like simple solid black

But maybe other vendors save you on shipping

[brittle narwhal]

Am rn getting switches and am wondering if the g208 and the g210 works?

[sage flicker]

anyone know the endforce of magnetos? 35g is the start force.

[polar girder]

What’s that?

[sacred elm]

huh

[sage flicker]

I reached my record typing speed with Geon Raptor HE and they have 42g start with 52g end.

so I might do worse with POM KOM. Might need to spring swap.

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m big fan of light switches

[sacred elm]

ttc magnetos have longer spring they will feel heavier than 35g

it should feel about the same as raptor springs

[polar girder]

Yeah I want long and hella light

[sage flicker]

ah ya ty. forgot about the better rebound also from longer springs. Will see how it goes. I'm gonna try SA profile keycaps too, with them. 😄

[polar girder]

Settling for short and decently light

Fk

Might try my 35g dual stage springs in the RAW’s tho

[grizzled vine]

Does anyone know if this keycap will fit for the wooting 60he? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D1BH1DWW?ref=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_Y157GT952KZHQX6JJXQS&ref_=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_Y157GT952KZHQX6JJXQS&social_share=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_Y157GT952KZHQX6JJXQS&starsLeft=1&skipTwisterOG=1

[sacred elm]

yes but those side printed legends wont be as bright because wooting has north facing leds

[cyan lark]

Oh JOMKIZ I've heard good things about them.

I want to get my hands on the Amazon third party seller name generator

[polar girder]

And there’s nothing you can do about it

[sacred elm]

its gonna be fine, but yea wont be as bright as shown in a video

[grizzled vine]

ah gotcha, thanks

[visual ore]

Looks right to me?

[night atlas]

oh this pic was on the site as the "correct" way to install em

which i didn't do, i just did it row by row, horizontally

[stone flax]

A third of the price on aliexpress and a fifth of the price on taobao

lmfao

[visual ore]

That's dropshipping for you

Always check for cheaper before amazon

[stone flax]

if only its wasnt the shittiest quality keycaps tho

thin sidelit legends on reverse dyesub

pass

[flat cobalt]

Ayyy cosmos are in production

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/yur-yurrrrr-shout-gif-12601380

[polar girder]

Lolz couldn’t be me 6 months ago

Reeee

[harsh dove]

If its 35gf intial then its safe to assume it ends somewhere around 50-55gf

iirc those have like 21mm springs as well

[polar girder]

So heavy

[sage flicker]

why's that? geon raptor starts at 42g ends at 52g. I would think 35g ends at like 47 tops? Spring length is gonna be key here it seems.

maybe longer springs have higher endforce

[harsh dove]

#🪛│modding_faq message - Unfortunately we don't have spring lengths listed in the Switch Data Sheet, however spring length does change the force curve. As you can see there are switches that start at 30gf and end at 60gf (as an example).

[sage flicker]

nice, pretty cool. We shall see when we get em.

[harsh dove]

Yeah I also plan to buy some TTC POMs myself at some point

Sno | Jed owns them so if you see them around, you can ask them about the switches.

[solar tundra]

any good looking pink pbt keycaps?

[uneven cradle]

might just have to support my local https://www.kiwiclack.com/products/group-buy-gmk-lov?variant=44789648523425

(those are ABS)

[solar tundra]

EU Vendor? Maybe something like a Gradient Type?

Wanna do a build for my gf

[calm pulsar]

this is so good

[uneven cradle]

not many pink sets out there unfortunately, maybe something from Osume https://osume.com/products/strawberry-milk-keycaps

[solar tundra]

saw them too, they look very good tho, they ship eu too?

Thats def something my gf would love

[uneven cradle]

most likely but since you're EU you'll probably have to pay quite a bit in shipping + tax

[solar tundra]

u know any other keycaps with some cute design type?

[uneven cradle]

not off the top of my head have a look through the EU vendors on this list see if you find any https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[solar tundra]

preciate it

[uneven cradle]

All the keycaps I buy are ABS so I don't look at PBT keycaps that much

[stone flax]

Omg LoV was so fast!

like 1-2 months since ic post

[crimson sky]

They should go live on oblotzky in the next few days

[tawdry tree]

Pink Alert?

same designer or something?

oh, just inspired by.

[proper nebula]

@harsh dove hey man, when you have some time could we chat about the 461E case setup with the 60he+? Just received everything and was told you know a thing or two? 😁 thanks!!

[uneven cradle]

yeah it's a pretty different pink to the original pink alert

[harsh dove]

Yeah, what's up!

[visual ore]

Could try Domikeys or Drop or PBTfans

[visual ore]

Not sure if you will find a set but here something they had. https://kprepublic.com/products/kpicpre-hififox-x-domikey-great-artist-girls-summer-cherry-profile-keycaps-li-qingzhao-chinese-poet-theme

[tawdry tree]

HAHA, I didn’t even know an actual Pink Alert existed. I called it that because it’s just Red Alert but pink. 😂😂

[visual ore]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/pbtfans/products/pbtfans-sugar-rush This one is pre-order eventually

[proper nebula]

So I’ve got everything infront of me, for starters will I need to use any of these standoffs? (:

[harsh dove]

Do you plan to use the silicone gasket mount or are you going to tray mount?

[uneven cradle]

well to be fair it didn't exist it never made it past IC

[proper nebula]

What would recommend based off your experience?

[uneven cradle]

price is pretty high but does have a decent kit with alert included

[proper nebula]

I’m running Gateron Jade (not pro or max)

[harsh dove]

I highly recommend using the silicone gasket mount method personally

Which in that case, you will not be needing any of the standoffs

[proper nebula]

Oh okay nice, so just the black gasket at the very bottom, then PCB right on top that?

[harsh dove]

The case foam is optional, you don't need to use it if you don't want too

[tidal frigate]

@harsh dove do you know since when gmk sells keycaps on their website?

[harsh dove]

Are you sure you're not on a fake gmk website?

[proper nebula]

Ohh okay gotcha. It does seem it’ll help dampen sound or maybe not?

[tidal frigate]

Nope

[visual ore]

^

[harsh dove]

Can send me the link if you want

[visual ore]

There are two fake websites for GMK that sell GMK clones

[harsh dove]

I personally don't really like foam in my builds but it has its place, and you may find that you do like it, so go ahead and try it with or without

I like clacky sounding boards so I typically remove dampening materials

[tidal frigate]

https://www.gmk.net/shop/

That's their store from official website

@harsh dove it looks weird because i can get full set for like 120€

[proper nebula]

Okay sweet thank you, I am going to tinker with it and see how far I get. Appreciate your help!!😃

[tawdry tree]

It’s legit, yeah. It was shared here before.

They have very few sets though.

[stone flax]

Since like a month ago

[harsh dove]

Yeah that store front is new, it's legit.

[harsh dove]

and that's an average price for GMK sets tbh

It's really just the designer sets that cost like $150+

[tidal frigate]

I payed mostly for gmk 160€

So thats actually something new

[harsh dove]

Yeah, happy to help, ping or ask peeps here if you need any further assistance or advice

[proper nebula]

Oh I do have one actually haha! Is there any mods out of the box that are pretty crucial or recommended? Anything I should lube before first install?

[harsh dove]

If you have lube and tools on hand, then I highly recommend lubing and tuning your stabilizers, for sure

[proper nebula]

Yup! I got the kit with Krytox 205g0 and Molykote EM-50L

[harsh dove]

Awesome, so you can use a very light coating of the Krytox 205g0 on the plastic stem and housing of the stabilizers, just a quick coat on both flat sides of the stem and the inside walls of the housing.
Then you can use a small amount of Molykote EM-50L on the metal wires for your stabilizers, just a small amount on both ends, you don't need to lube past the elbows, just the parts that go inside the stem/stabilizer housing

https://youtu.be/vxHb6CJc9V8?si=VCjVDcc8vVvfI8at

You can also watch this video

and with lubing, remember less is more

[fossil gyro]

hi i'm a little bit of trouble because i want find the size exactly of the pcb with the usb port of two keyboard but i can't find it (it is because i want to fit the two inside the same keybard case if possible with like linking their usb to one from a hub that convert two usb into 1 usb c) so either i need the pc or the size of the keyboard and how many millimeters or centimeters i can put on something that overlay the two case so while their style in their original case they are inside another that make it look like one keyboard only

so if i post the two keyboard can any of you found the spec or not (one is an akko keyboard the other a cherry) so i don't know if it is easy

||since the problem of doing an overlay is it have to be a lot precise on the cut so they don't move but all i have for material close to me is either wood or just some metal of any sort i can buy||

[uneven cradle]

as our discussion earlier nothing you are trying to do is easy

if you need sizing https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-design

[tawdry tree]

The files are public, if you know how to view them.

[fossil gyro]

oh okay

thanks

[uneven cradle]

reading the comments on that mad60 video from squashy boy is good entertainment

[tawdry tree]

Not an employee, a moderator:

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-leek-gif-25666292

[tawdry tree]

[uneven cradle]

just playing catch up with Calder

[fallen pecan]

i see kbdfans is selling everglide skylines, $0.45 apiece

[tawdry tree]

Kinda exp

Shouldn’t they be like $30

.30*

[fallen pecan]

0.36 converted in china

international markup

[tawdry tree]

Skylines are closed bottom Raw HEs

so if Raws are cheaper, I wouldn’t recommend them.

Same with Everglide Magnetos/Master.

[fallen pecan]

raws are more expensive for me since i have access to taobao

[tawdry tree]

Ah

[fallen pecan]

gateron gh60 pcb coming soon™

[tidal frigate]

Check in comments if i'am there

[gleaming crane]

Can I use the fr4 plate that comes with the salvation 60 on my wooting?

[tropic urchin]

they really missed the opportunity of calling it the Carnage PCB

[agile grove]

no

[jagged pine]

Quick question, so I swapped all Lekker switches on my 80he for geon raw hes. Testing the actuation points, it still tells me its 4mm is this normal?

[fluid ravine]

@glacial wind can you explain to him^

[uneven cradle]

the range given in the UI is more like a 0-100%, will be a future update so you can change it to match the type of switch you are using

[fluid ravine]

that works lull

[jagged pine]

Oooh i see, so regardless of the switch i use atm itll always show as 4 but in reality its just the 0-100% system being shown?

[uneven cradle]

yeah it's just measuring the bottom out magnet strength and the idle strength of each switch for calibration

[jagged pine]

Ok cool thanks. First time doing something like this so was praying i didnt mess up

So the actuation points editing is the same principle?

[uneven cradle]

yeah pretty much

would be doing the calculation based on the range between those two magnet strengths

[calm pulsar]

imagine the dream board
60he stock plastic case
gateron pcb
outemu blue clicky HE switches

[fluid ravine]

type

[stone flax]

amazing

[fluid ravine]

need this on my wish list

[glacial wind]

Guys wtf are these: UR Studio Ice Magnetic Switch
https://a.aliexpress.com/_oFSkjNZ

Random brand suddenly put out a jade max style switch

[calm pulsar]

like 50 bucks for 110 of them

at least the price is better than gaterons

[sacred elm]

wtf

will you order them? 😳

[fallen pecan]

New switch, 900 sold on taobao

Sells in non standard amounts

Literally 0 videos on bili

[silver pecan]

does a black case ruin a white aesthetic

like if i had a white setup with a black case

[visual ore]

That's quite fishy

Is UR Studio a known brand though?

[calm pulsar]

YOOO

this is on geon's discord

[fallen pecan]

Not really, the shop only has 900ish followers

[kind helm]

starting mid jan i think

[stone flax]

look at the other event

[calm pulsar]

that's nice, maybe I can get some more raws that are not tainted by my freakyswitching

just to have pure raws

[stone flax]

qwq too much freakiness

[kind helm]

tainted raw the best raw

[stone flax]

[calm pulsar]

😭

[stone flax]

i like my raws RAW

:3

[kind helm]

spring not da best :3

[calm pulsar]

even with longer spring I liked the full closed bottom feeling and sound a bit more on jade style switches...

[kind helm]

If i have extra money i am throwing some jade pro spring in there for raw

[calm pulsar]

but raws still awesome

[sacred elm]

based

[stone flax]

raw he better

if geon drops a long spring jade pros die

[sacred elm]

[calm pulsar]

imagine geon raw he, with longer spring AND fully closed bottom AND with no separate light diffuser

I think this will be goat of all time

and might be even cheaper to make lul

[stone flax]

ur acting like the same company that made jade pros didnt also make jade gamings, maxes, and genty's

they literally fluked

[sacred elm]

I dont care about them lmao

[stone flax]

again

they fluked

[sacred elm]

who cares

[kind helm]

i like them both equally, benefit of having multple board

[stone flax]

geon raw he better

🥱

[sacred elm]

goonworks

[stone flax]

sensing a lot of cope from this direction

if even wooting abandoned gateron why cant you

[sacred elm]

buddy I dont care about gateron lol

I bought raws before jade pros

[stone flax]

raws

on

top

[sacred elm]

goonworks

:switchyange

[harsh dove]

This is leading nowhere

[kind helm]

@stone flax do you have jade pro?

[stone flax]

i almost made the mistake of buying it but i felt my geon poster staring at me

[kind helm]

awww

[calm pulsar]

I'd love a poster with topless geon staring at me

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97WU5zgrqFg i just discovered glarses content that i haven't watched before

what a combo

[calm pulsar]

lol I remember this
when I was considering buying the last frog mini from cafege I was looking at all videos of it on YT and found this gloggles video lol

[kind helm]

never saw this one, why the fug is this on a different channel

[calm pulsar]

I don't know much Glarses lore but I think he used to have multiple channels before his current one took off, so this could be one of them

[glacial wind]

all I know about them is iirc they sold a fake clone of holy60 case lol

[glacial wind]

there's a coupon code for them too

they're such a random entry to pop out of nowhere

[chilly mural]

Planning to test it?

[sacred elm]

sound gonna be so mid

i can feel it

Is it closed bottom

[harsh dove]

Decided to finish watching that HAVN HS420 review, nice case, doesn't have better thermals than mine though

Lian Li, Fractal, and Antec still on top for thermals and noise levels

Attention to detail and Build quality is nice

[fallen pecan]

closed

[sacred elm]

ok, then it has potential if the wobble is same as jade pros/raws

[fallen pecan]

stable at 0.03mm

made by hejin

[thorn zealot]

Anything new come out in he market that somewhat interesting

Like new switches or cases

Need to catch up

[chilly mural]

Ooo

[harsh dove]

You know about Jade Pros, Raw HE, and TTC Magneto/POMs? Then no
You know about the Optimum Case, OwLabs case, and KBDfans 80HE cases? Then no

[thorn zealot]

Damn

I’ve known those for however long

Ig not much is going on rn

[chilly mural]

It's close to holidays

First the Christmas then CNY

[fallen pecan]

Cheap max replacement if one wants max rgb

[calm pulsar]

my TTC POM were handed in to airline

[kind helm]

[tawdry tree]

Jade Max clones by Hejin iirc. Raw HE top and stem but first time that Hejin does a PC bottom afaik.

[harsh dove]

Copying a switch that isn't good is beyond me

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

it’s not an exact clone tbf, just the “color”way.

[harsh dove]

It's not a full PC switch like the Maxes?

[tawdry tree]

Stem is POM and no dual rails.

[harsh dove]

Ah

[tawdry tree]

So it might actually be decent - good.

[harsh dove]

redact my previous statement then

[glacial wind]

honestly it may be better if done well because it has a non pc stem

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[tawdry tree]

I wonder how a PC closed bottom sounds

[harsh dove]

Doesn't exactly get me excited lol

[tawdry tree]

definitely has potential

[harsh dove]

If we think about top out sounds already

[fallen pecan]

reviews say they sound similar to jade pros

[tawdry tree]

yeah prob not great

PC is harder than nylon so I’d think they’re even louder

[fallen pecan]

and like most hejin switches, just as difficult to remove

[tawdry tree]

Gateron and Hejin can learn from TTC in that aspect

[harsh dove]

Wish RGB wasn't so popular so we could get some different switch materials aka opaque switches , all these dang clear plastics

[sacred elm]

wdym gateron

[tawdry tree]

Just a diffuser would be fine

That’d help so much

[harsh dove]

Yeah exactly tbh

[tawdry tree]

Gateron still has those fucking side whatever they are

useless

They did good on the 20Us

for the top housing*

and did good on the Jade Pros for the bottom housing

[harsh dove]

Yeah and I gotta admit the geon clips weren't that solid either

on the RAW HE

[tawdry tree]

now they just gotta combine the two

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[sacred elm]

ah

[glacial wind]

eh i can get 90 for like $32 if I want but i should really stop ordering more switches until i finish the initial site lol

[tawdry tree]

just get like 10 (if that’s an option), try them out and then get more if they’re worth it.

that’s what I do

[sacred elm]

you cant get 10

[tawdry tree]

😭

[sacred elm]

min is 30 i think

[tawdry tree]

ugh

[harsh dove]

Didn't know you were making a site tbh

[fallen pecan]

$23 for 84 pcs on taobao

[glacial wind]

yeah I talked to wooting marketing about it and they're down for me to do a modding resource site. I still have to figure out how it'd work partnership wise once it's done though

but it's going to be quite nice. Individual sound testing for 60he and 80he switches, more in depth switch breakdowns, put all the random resource for plates modding etc and recommendations into more easy to use guides

[harsh dove]

Oh okay, awesome, that's pretty sweet. I look forward to it, if I'm able to provide any assistance in any way just lmk

[glacial wind]

for sure. I've been using the existing resources as a base and building on it. Like the interactive switch selector table I made for it

[tawdry tree]

If you’re gonna put a lot of time and effort into it, affiliate links would be fine (surely) and have it linked at the top/bottom of #🪛│modding_faq

[harsh dove]

Very nice and you got the spring lengths like I mentioned we didn't have earlier lol

[glacial wind]

yeah that's the thing I have to discuss with wooting whether affiliate links would be the go, or whether it'd be better to be just a contractor with some compensation on the side and no affiliate links etc

[tawdry tree]

that’d be better probably, no risk of honey stealing the affiliate

😂

[glacial wind]

i do think no affiliate links is cleaner and nicer for end user too. It's less 'sketchy' for end users to use a site that's not filled with affiliate links to support it and where they know all the information isn't just based on getting an affiliate sale

[fiery solstice]

whats better, lubed lekker60 v1.5 (whatever comes with the 60he+) or stock lekker60 v2s

[glacial wind]

they feel almost exactly the same

only difference is the v2 have a tighter tolerance magnet basically

[fiery solstice]

so its not worth buying the lekker v2s if i already bought the 60he+ that comes with the v1

[sacred elm]

no

[glacial wind]

yeah not at all

if you wanted to buy other switches you'd look at raw he or jade pro or something siginificant different/better

no point going between v1.5 and v2 really

[fiery solstice]

ok thanks

how much louder are the jades compared to the lekker

i was told that the lekkers are much quieter but the jades sound better

[sacred elm]

both raws and jade pros are louder

[drifting bronze]

Guys is there a mod to do on the l45v2 to make them more quiet like a film or so

[sacred elm]

no, dont put anything in your switch, it will ruin the performance of your keyboard

[drifting bronze]

Oh ok thanks

[drifting bronze]

What do you use as your board

[sacred elm]

currently 80he

if you have 60he, get pp plate and lekker v2s

thats probably best you can do to make your keyboard quieter

[drifting bronze]

Pp?

[sacred elm]

Polypropylene plate

[drifting bronze]

Rn i use a tofu 60 redux with brass weight a pc plate and silicone insert with the m45v2 soon

[wheat mortar]

@quasi hinge decided to just order from maxgaming and get the XL mid :'D

[steep pollen]

tofu 60 redux stock foam
no brass weight 3mm thick foam
jade pros
3layers tape mod
very satisfied

[drifting bronze]

Looks good

Sounds good to

[kind helm]

Google translate

[chilly mural]

Ooo

Me want!!!

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

[chilly mural]

Still dont know if I want 6.25u or 7u spacebar

[kind helm]

I think for me the difficult part is the new position for back space and arrows

arrows actually 7U is slightly more comfortable than 6.25U for me

[chilly mural]

Me dont use arrow key much

Only F row since rhythm game

[kind helm]

i thought you code your own waifu

[chilly mural]

Im not a coder!!!! Only AI prompter

[shy mantle]

Hey everyone, can you help me about lube station for jade’s, can I order any from Amazon or cherry station one won’t fit magnetic switches?

[kind helm]

should work, i think. but lube station is kinda useless imo

brought one never used it a second time. spending extra time to put it on the tray, i rather i just lube, close, check, put it aside :3

[shy mantle]

It’s kinda same price around 20-25 eur, so why not

Is the lube brand really important and which one should I get for jade maxes?

[kind helm]

according to many, jade maxes is hopeless :x lube brand personally i dont think matter too much, as long as it works with switches, it should be fine. just make sure you get the right kind, the thickness of the lube matters

[shy mantle]

I’m going to try save maxes since I like the deeper sound tests 😅 if not gonna change the feeling going for pros

[sacred elm]

you cant save maxes

[kind helm]

structurally fucked

[shy mantle]

Better not to spend time and go for t20 pros?

[glacial wind]

someone be our test dummy for the new UR switches

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008324022805.html

[glacial wind]

this could be you

you could be the man the test it out!

[shy mantle]

Oh, by the way, I’m getting my side printed keycaps today, does it make sense to rotate switches downwards for more optimal rgb or not possible?

[shy mantle]

Haha, I’m traveling too much to order anything from ali

[fallen pecan]

you chose the wrong brand if you wanted side printed keycaps

[digital haven]

is there a way to install the KBDFans CF plate and the wooting PCB together because i notice that the stock plate that comes with the wooting has stand offs and the carbon plate doesnt please help thank you

[kind helm]

the description of the kbdfan cf plate tells you to get standoffs

[digital haven]

woops well i messed up then

[tawdry tree]

Send it. Magnetic switch stems are bigger so they won’t fit in some lube stations.

Same thing with the springs.

[sacred elm]

you are our tester

[kind helm]

certified by wooting too

[tawdry tree]

Tomorrow we shall know more.

[shy mantle]

If not gonna work well for me just gonna return, but what’s the main problem? Rgb side?

Got krytox set without station 😅

[fallen pecan]

ye the LED is on the top, you want it to be on the bottom for side print

[shy mantle]

Just ordered grey redux 60, wanted to make gradient grey style, but if gonna be ugly , gonna swap keycaps

Sad, but don’t wanna swap jades just for the design

[fallen pecan]

you can get top print gradients instead

[shy mantle]

Yeah, I will go for it in case it’s not gonna work, but side printed looked smooth when I googled some

[tawdry tree]

On Wooting’s boards, it won’t look as bright as you see in the pictures. Jade Maxes help but still, it’ll be quite a bit dimmer.

[shy mantle]

Maxes already in use, keycaps and tofu comes in couple of hours so just gonna test out

Is there any good alternatives for jades at the market with side rgb?

[tawdry tree]

Raw HE have a translucent top housing as well.

Not on Maxes’ level but pretty close.

and in terms of smoothness and cost, Raw HE should far outperform Maxes.

[wheat mortar]

it doesn't matter what keycaps I have right? for example I buy qwerty layout but still use qwertz on my end

[tawdry tree]

As long as they’re compatible with the layout of your keyboard (ANSI/ISO), then yeah!

[bright palm]

Time to lube

[wheat mortar]

it's so hard to find valid ISO keycaps 😭

[tawdry tree]

Oh, or do you mean you want to buy a QWERTY keycap set and change the Z?

[wheat mortar]

ye

[digital haven]

sorry to bother you but would you mind sending me a link to the standoffs i dont know where to find em sorry

[wheat mortar]

like I buy the qwerty layout and place it as the qwerty layout is but change my system language to the ISO layout

or just swap the Y to the Z

[tawdry tree]

Oh, cherry profile keycaps are row specific, so their angle will be different depending on which row they’re from.

So although you can physically swap them around, their angle will be off.

[wheat mortar]

yeah what I thought

so I really have to find iso keycaps

[tawdry tree]

Yeah.

[wheat mortar]

or just place the keycaps in the qwerty layout

[kind helm]

kbdfan used to sell them, but i can't find it under their page either

[wheat mortar]

can't even find ISO X-Ray Keycaps

😭

[kind helm]

@digital haven did you receive the plate already? maybe they just include it nowadays

[tawdry tree]

They do exist. X-Ray base with the international kit. Probably sold out everywhere though.

Where are you from (again, if I asked already)?

[wheat mortar]

interesting, any sites where I can look at? (EU)

[wheat mortar]

EU, Germany

[tawdry tree]

MechMods still has them I think, although you will have to pay import.

[wheat mortar]

paying import is fine tbh

[tawdry tree]

DeltaKeyCo is the official EU vendor for X-Ray but they’re completely sold out iirc.

[wheat mortar]

PBTFans X-Ray, international exists

[tawdry tree]

Yes!

[digital haven]

i have the plate already the only stand offs i got were for the tofu case nothing for the plates

[wheat mortar]

so I would have to get the base + international?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah. Base has ISO already but not the international keys.

[digital haven]

also theres other screws color black but theyre pretty small so i dont think i would need em

[wheat mortar]

oh I see the international provides the correct Y and Z keys

[tawdry tree]

Precisely.

[wheat mortar]

from what I'm seeing it does

cool

might gonna cop these then

[tawdry tree]

They look great.

[wheat mortar]

they do!

gonna cop the 60he module then and hope I don't fuck things up lmfao

never modded any keyboard

[kind helm]

essentially you need something like this, but i forgot the size. otherwise you can probably find them on amazon or something

[digital haven]

yeah i seen that on the site i swear i seen that sliver thing in one of the screws i got do you mind if i can send a pic to you see if it looks identical

[kind helm]

if you have it then just press it against the hole and screw it in onto the plate.

[dull plank]

i saw someone do a 60he mod w play doh on their tofu 60 case. how does play doh affect the keyboard?

[kind helm]

you basically screw it on to the plate and then the otherside goes onto the pcb

[kind helm]

just use foam or polyfill or cotton

[digital haven]

this one?

[kind helm]

oh yea you good then

[digital haven]

i also have these screws as well do i need to pair it with the standoffs i sent earlier

[kind helm]

i dont remember which i use. cause i got a bunch of screws with the same size, if it can go in, it is fine

[digital haven]

ok thats so weird i remember trying those sliver standoffs and pushing it into the plates but never went through

[kind helm]

it is not supposed to go through

[digital haven]

oh okay

[kind helm]

the blue part is the screw

[digital haven]

ill try tmrw then

ahh i see okok

[digital haven]

ill let you know how it goes then

thanks for helping me

[tawdry tree]

You’ll be fine. Just don’t drop kick the Module in order to get a switch in. And if something seems to be out of order or whatever it may be, just ask here.

[obsidian lark]

Is there a difference between the jade with the cross stem and the jade with the cross and a squeeze around it?

[tawdry tree]

I assume you mean square. That’s called a “box stem” and it offers more stability at bottom out, however, it can introduce slight friction as well depending on the specific switch.

[proven wadi]

from the bottom: 60he, 60he+, 80he 🙂

[fallen pecan]

new kailh switch coming soon

[proven wadi]

@wheat mortar https://www.maxgaming.se/sv/keycaps/pbtfans-x-ray-base-kit was it these one you wanted? 🙂

(you can change to german by clicking the swe flag at top and change it to german)

[fallen pecan]

https://item.jd.com/10133697873012.html $15 gh60 case of you manage to buy it

[glacial wind]

that's a lot of standoffs

might have to be careful of it pushing the wrong spot depending on where those extra standoffs are

[fallen pecan]

it's so they're compatible with most 60s on the chinese market

gt80 cases now open for sale on taobao, delivery looks to be 3 months after CNY

Also, someone mentioned they were looking for matte PC caps

[reef oar]

i'm trying to buy the cf plate and brass weight from kbdfans yet they're forcing me to use priority shipping which is like 1/3 of the price itself

shameless

[glacial wind]

Try aliexpress

kdbfans have a shop there with a lot of same things

[reef oar]

the cf plate is out of stock on ali

[sly otter]

any upcoming switches worth waiting for or teased?

[stuck night]

guys do you know size pin for 80he?

jst cable pin daughter board for 80he

[glacial wind]

Try messaging their store and asking if they can add stock

They usually just have more in their warehouse and just need to allocate more stock when it runs out on Ali

[stuck night]

on this pin

[reef oar]

ight bet

[spice plover]

Alright I’m still having the weirdest issue ever. On my one A key almost every switch I put into it eventually one pin breaks

Is it possible the pc plate is doing it in any capacity ?

[reef oar]

how long is eventually

[spice plover]

Or is my pcb messed up somehow causing the pin the keep breaking maybe?

[reef oar]

maybe but i've never even heard of that in my life, only pins breaking when the switch is being pulled

how many switches have broken there

[spice plover]

At least 10

I swear to god I think it has something to do with the switch plate

[reef oar]

HE switches?

[spice plover]

It’s too bendy or something

And yeah HE ones

Only HE

[reef oar]

interesting

i mean i doubt it'd be the pcb

[spice plover]

Literally bro

I know when it happens when my movement in game it’s like my A key actuates longer then it should

And what do you kno I pulll up the switch and 1 pin always broken

[reef oar]

only thing i could think of is if the plate is shifted slightly, or your foam/silicone pad

[spice plover]

I just installed the wooting fit pad

[reef oar]

the friction pad?

[spice plover]

Yeah but that’s besides the point I think lol

Idk I think since the plate is so “flexible” it’s harder to pull out switches then it needs to be

And maybe during gaming or spam keying. That malleability shifts the pcb and plate. ?

[reef oar]

60he?

[spice plover]

Yeah

[reef oar]

i wouldn't think so

i'm not sure, i don't use the friction fit pad and i've literally never heard of that before

like your switch is insta breaking everytime

[spice plover]

I use the PC plate

The fit pad is just the … idk I forgot what you call it

[reef oar]

i would only guess that things are misaligned and there's something pressing against the pin itself

[spice plover]

It just released with the optimum case

[reef oar]

i'd assume your pcb isn't perfectly aligned

and the pin is pressing against the side at an angle

[spice plover]

How can I make sure it’s perfect?

[reef oar]

take it all out the case and ensure it is so ig

bc it shouldn't be the pc plate

those don't touch the pins

the pin can't magically break

so obviously something is touching it

the pcb shouldn't be, but i guess it probably is because it's misaligned

not enough to affect all switches, but some

you can probably ask wooting support directly

they'll probably be able to troubleshoot it better

[spice plover]

Do I just email them or is there a way on the discord?

[austere creek]

we dont offer order related support on discord as discord is just not a support paltform or even remotely secure enough

https://support.wooting.io

[spice plover]

Filled it out I think I attached some videos too

[spice plover]

Ty for the link and info

O no it says takes up to two weeks cause “people” are spamming support for updates on 80HE shipping

GG

Idk I’m just gonna try to change out the pc plate and see if the problem persists for now

[spice plover]

I took it all out the pcb looks fine and nothing blocking the holes either so guess I will see. Should I put an fr4 plate in?

[visual ore]

Holiday season. Not much they can do about it.

Heck I'm waiting on like 5 different clients at work to come back on Monday

They took the week off

[reef oar]

if you have one already, sure

i just doubt it's the plate, that's all

[spice plover]

Is it a good plate? And yeah it’s just sitting here so

[reef oar]

better than pc

more stiff

[spice plover]

I mean idk bro what else can it be I legit have it disassembled

There’s nothing in the way of the pcb

[reef oar]

would reduce the flexing and could fix it if that's a factor

[spice plover]

Everything was aligned

[reef oar]

try it out

[spice plover]

I think it’s too flexible so some switches in my salvation overtime have more give and take

Not switches but the location of the particular switches are more “bent” or flexible due to the movement maybe

[reef oar]

yeah but the plate only contacts under where the housings connect on the switch

[spice plover]

And then in turn cause the switches to be extremely hard to pull out idk just my theory from all this

I swear bro I just want to play directly from my pcb

No keycaps

No switches

No cables

Just my pcb

[reef oar]

are you not breaking the pin when pulling the switch?

because if the pin were to break beforehand, you'd be able to hear it rattling in the case if you shook it

[spice plover]

Nah for sure because the issue just started this morning

[fast nacelle]

does this work with the 60he??

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807877229627.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller.3.7817IknMIknMox&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.354490.0&scm_id=1007.40050.354490.0&scm-url=1007.40050.354490.0&pvid=9aa9f16a-f358-4f28-beb7-6d418b625cdf&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.354490.0,pvid:9aa9f16a-f358-4f28-beb7-6d418b625cdf,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238113%231998&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!41.02!41.02!!!299.00!299.00!%4021030ea417359166513215783e64a6!12000043505683708!rec!US!2628467597!ABXZ&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller|query_from%3A

[reef oar]

looks like it should

there's an official compatible case list somewhere

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

the screws are all in the same positions and whatnot, so i'd assume it's fine

if it doesn't work, you didn't hear it from me

[kind helm]

😂 i think it is also a reliability thing, cheap international shipping is more likely to have delay and missing package problems. probably dont wanna taint their name

[reef oar]

i mean true, but the option was removed recently bc i was looking into it before

plate is 15 and shipping is 23

shameless

[kind helm]

if you are in us you can try divinikey

5 dollars shipping i think

[inner wren]

Theres no issue with using stock wooting stabs with the v2 45s

Right?

[fallen pecan]

45s are stock but lighter

[inner wren]

Ah thanks

[tiny elk]

swapping my switches, is it really necessary to take the pcb apart to change them?

[stone flax]

u can use a switch puller

[tiny elk]

yeah but looking at wootings video they’re saying to take the plate and the pcb apart

was wondering if that’s really necessary

[stone flax]

thats another way

[stone flax]

i just said you can just use a switch puller

[cyan lark]

It isn't necessary but it is easier to pull stubborn switches

[tiny elk]

got it

thanks

[fallen pecan]

more so for lekkers and its cousins

[visual ore]

^

[cyan lark]

Lekkers and raws can both be pains in their own ways, yeah.

[tiny elk]

so u think it’s worth taking it apart just for ease?

[cyan lark]

And ttc kom pom (specifically pom)

[visual ore]

Don't want this to happen to you.

[cyan lark]

I'd say start without taking it apart and see how it goes?

[tiny elk]

LMAO BRO

[stone flax]

skill issue?

[tiny elk]

might just take it apart to be safe icl

[visual ore]

Found the picture on reddit and man I feel bad for the guy xD

[tiny elk]

that would be a right pain in the ass the deal with

[visual ore]

But I have a bag of switches with damaged housing just because they can be stubborn sometimes

[tiny elk]

yeah i’m not bothered about the lekkers once they’re out

just want to switch to jades

[tropic urchin]

You can try without dismantling it first to gauge how it feels for you

If it feels terrible I’d just dismantle it down to plate and do it from there

[reef oar]

i think it's just skill issues

[cyan lark]

There is certainly skill involved, but I don't think anyone can pull a raw switch more than 3x without some of the clips beginning to break off.

[reef oar]

yeah i guess

i've pulled my jades like 3 times atp and i've broken none

ig raws are just aids like that

[cyan lark]

Jades are solid, no issues there. Raws are the only ones I've had just break apart so easily like that.