🔧│keyboard_modding

[noble vine]

so basically no difference? im not like a key-o-phile or anything like that

[sacred elm]

well its noticeable but not that much

[noble vine]

alright thank you

[stone flax]

higher preload but less steep of force curve

[cyan lark]

I don't know what you mean by "higher preload", but according to the force charts printed on my Jades and Jade pros, the curves are nearly identical.

[stone flax]

longer spring

same bottom out

less steep of force

starts at higher weight

[cyan lark]

Right, but what I'm saying is that I think you're wrong.

I suspect that at most the longer spring is slightly more even through the press, but they feel very similar to me.

[stone flax]

the longer the spring

the stronger the top out and higher the preload

imagine it

ur literally compressing the spring more when the switch is at a natural state

[cyan lark]

You do know that springs have different compression forces independent of length, right?

[stone flax]

im not talking about springs in general

[cyan lark]

As am I

[stone flax]

just literal ones in ur switches

[cyan lark]

I know what a spring is, thanks.

[stone flax]

do you?

if a spring is tensioned differently to have similar initial forces thats a different matter entirely

but by the books

a longer spring considering all factors the same

has a higher preload

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-uxl-22mm-springs

[cyan lark]

I see you'

you're just a dickhead

[stone flax]

its as simple as gateron changes how to their longer springs are tensioned to make them feel similar

yup im a dickhead

ur right

lol

[sacred elm]

[stone flax]

gotta love it

if trying to inform u about something = me dickhead

gladly

[cyan lark]

Thank you for the knowledge share.

[stone flax]

no probs

any time

[cyan lark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooke's_law

[young lantern]

linear springs get more heavy as they get more compressed (linear) so a longer spring in the same space = heavier starting weight compared to a shorter spring of the same bottom out

[honest nacelle]

I'm not gonna read this but it's the wrong law

That's for a compressive spring

[cyan lark]

Reading is for nerds anyway.

[honest nacelle]

These are extensive springs

[cyan lark]

Oh lord

[honest nacelle]

You know what I mean

[cyan lark]

I know you are wrong. It's literally in the first sentence of the high level description.

[honest nacelle]

Springs behave differently depending on if they're normally in contraction or extension

Aye ykw, come back when you know what you're talking about

[cyan lark]

What the hell is going on in here?

I must have missed a day in physics

[crimson sky]

it is for both

even says it

but that only applies to single rate springs

[cyan lark]

What do you mean single rate springs 😕 ?

[crimson sky]

springs can have progressive rates or be dual stage

so they are softer at first and then harsher later on

[cyan lark]

Gotcha, sure, but I haven't seen one of those in any switch that I've opened up

[harsh dove]

Black Jades have them

[crimson sky]

most fancy switches just tend to have longer springs

[crimson sky]

do they?

not aware of many keyboard springs that are

[crimson sky]

no that is just "dual stage" but not actually dual stage

aka

doesn't do shit

[cyan lark]

That's interesting, but the context of the above folks telling me I know nothing we were talking about Lekker vs Jade Pros, both of which are linear springs (I've opened both up)

[crimson sky]

they would get the same effect by making the spring longer

[harsh dove]

You're referring to this type of dual stage but yeah I was just showing an HE switch that had technically "dual stage" springs

[glacial wind]

Whatever happened to the uwu mj. It was working so well when he tried to be uwu guy for a week, but now he’s relapsed

[sacred elm]

[serene vortex]

hey, im using my optimum keyboard with friction fit and its nice and quiet like i want it to be, but sometimes when im typing fast/aggressive, my spacebar is still pretty loud and clacky, i was wondering if there is anything i can do to dampen the sound a bit more

[stone flax]

why are u so on d

mentioning me when im so far removed from the conversation

?

[harsh dove]

Spacebar foam or putty can help

[glacial wind]

? You were just having the spring debate

[stone flax]

a good 20 minutes ago?

[crimson sky]

to clarify, the windings have to be tighter on one of the stages for them to make a difference

[harsh dove]

Yeah, nah I knew what you meant

[crimson sky]

dual stages like in that image don't do anything and a regular spring of similar length would be similar

[glacial wind]

I guess so, it was like 10 messages up or something

quite recent if you scroll the channel just one screen up

[stone flax]

[crimson sky]

longer spring = higher preload

[serene vortex]

aight, ill look into it, thanks :D

[crimson sky]

you typically want them to be softer on bottom out so they start at a similar point

[glacial wind]

honestly bring back uwu mode. I know you did it sarcastically but it legitimately made people actually listen to you because they didn’t feel like you were being a dick to them while explaining things

[stone flax]

dont care

u see this turing guy

it is not me responsibility to coddle him sarcastically

[cyan lark]

👂

[glacial wind]

You gave him attitude first lol what do you expect

[stone flax]

wheres the attitude

point to the exact message

for some reason u seem to love pointing out my attitude problems

as u've involved urself in the conversation twice now just to talk against me?

atleast add some input on the spring convo, ur too obvious

[cyan lark]

Wild stuff.

Just gonna mute that gem of an individual now. Didn't expect to meet such hostility in a channel about keyboards.

[glacial wind]

Bro you blow up on people on a daily basis in here

And the days you don’t it’s because you quit discord for that day and came back later

Of course people are going to pipe in from the peanut gallery when they see “oh it’s mj at it again”

[stone flax]

uhhuh im the dick

u do know he started the sarcastic remark right

so double standards for me

[glacial wind]

That’s because when you enter a conversation you always come in with the attitude of “oh look at this moron, here’s the truth you absolute fool” - you don’t say those words but it’s heavily implied in how you word everything

so people get hostile back when they feel they’re being talked down to

[stone flax]

im having trouble finding it

wheres the attitude

[inland jetty]

yo bois, what size is the space bar on the wooting?

[stone flax]

genuinely i want to be a better person

[sacred elm]

6.25u

[inland jetty]

i wanna get a foam next week

[stone flax]

wheres the wrong in this i did

[inland jetty]

thanks brother man

[glacial wind]

Roughly about here you can see where he starts feeling you’re talking down to him

Notice how pronin got a much nicer response explaining the same thing

[stone flax]

you mean the response i gave after he gave this sarcasm?

oh ok

sure

lets go to dm's about my attitude problems

since u clearly just love beginning to talk about it

depending on what channel u see me typing in

[inland jetty]

anyone here have a raw zinmc 80he? im curious what keycaps you guys think would look good. im postponing building the 80he until i get the jade pros+ spacebar foam + carbon fiber plate in the next 2 weeks

[glacial wind]

Sigh it’s not worth.

[stone flax]

lol

bc u know u have no ground this time

he literally started the attitude first

"you know very obvious basic thing, right?"

but sure scroll down to my retort after to point out i apparently started off with ill attitude

gotcha

👍

[glacial wind]

It’s usually what does trigger it yes, you don’t realize but your replies tend to do that

[stone flax]

sure just smear me anytime i talk in this server or elsewhere but not actually try to talk about in dms to try and help me

its clear u just want to make me look bad luls

[glacial wind]

Not really, but take it as that if you really believe that’s why a lot of people here know you as that guy who yells at people

[stone flax]

lack of self awareness but sure

[honest nacelle]

If his advice is sound no reason to besmirch his name or credibility

[glacial wind]

No one is saying his advice is not credible

[honest nacelle]

And if someone complains about it just go "that's just who he is"

[stone flax]

again, if u actually cared about particularly fixing my attitude problem and the way i approach giving advice we’d he having an insightful conversation in dms rather than polluting online channels by attempts of actively smearing me

[glacial wind]

He gives great accurate advice a lot of the time

[tawdry tree]

I feel u 😂😂🙄

[stone flax]

i havent typed in 20 mins and i come to back “ah geez i wish mj would act uwu again but hes back on being and asshole sighhhh…..”

[glacial wind]

The problem is he does it usually while yelling at people or talking down which is why a lot of people know him for that

[stone flax]

like tf?

[glacial wind]

We’ve had this conversation not here before but you reverted back lol

[stone flax]

again point where the wrong is in this convo

i approach turing guy

Explain preload and spring length

He hits me with sarcasm first

[honest nacelle]

That's more than fine

[stone flax]

but theres this notion in ur head preemptively that im the one whos wrong in approach

[honest nacelle]

I had or have a similar rep

[glacial wind]

And why is aligner suddenly popping up after his silence saying we were all wrong and he knew better

[tawdry tree]

I said I feel him.

You know why.

[glacial wind]

Yes I do, because you both have been heavily blocked by a lot of people and have a similar issue with the arguing

[tawdry tree]

That’s fine, that’s what blocking is for.

Not sure about heavily though but it’s alright.

[polar girder]

What’s the verdict on springs

I missed the “discussion”

[cyan lark]

They are cool as hell.

[tawdry tree]

It’s a short discussion

[glacial wind]

There wasn’t really a verdict there

[polar girder]

Springs sans drama

[stone flax]

Same thing me and pronin said

[polar girder]

Is two stage worth?

Or just longer better

[glacial wind]

They were slightly talking about similar but different things

[stone flax]

most multi stage springs arent implemented in a way that actually does anything

Just go for longer

[glacial wind]

Not really

[stone flax]

same effect

And treat fake multistage springs as being the same as longer ones

[polar girder]

Right. Fair

[honest nacelle]

You were awfully quiet after wooting came out proving my theory to be largely correct, and argumentative while trying to find holes in it... Patience is often not a virtue most ppl online have

[tawdry tree]

What was said?

[glacial wind]

Simon basically confirmed d was right

[tawdry tree]

Can I read up on it?

[honest nacelle]

Ofc

Jed has the ss and/or link somewhere but I don't have it

[tawdry tree]

stable switches is talking about wobble here right?

[glacial wind]

Basically straight up saying d’s theory was correct

[honest nacelle]

Yes

[polar girder]

So multi stage springs probably gain most of the benefit from being longer rather than denser?

[harsh dove]

Yes

[tawdry tree]

Alright, if this is in the context we talked about, then I’m wrong.

[honest nacelle]

What is this partial admission cuh

What other context was there

[tawdry tree]

Did he say which firmware versions this is for?

[glacial wind]

Lol

[cyan lark]

Jesus

[honest nacelle]

No shot

[sacred elm]

[tawdry tree]

I can’t see the question.

[glacial wind]

Lmao

[honest nacelle]

Aight

[sacred elm]

[chilly mural]

[honest nacelle]

Jed can you extend the ss to incl the question and/or a link to the response

[glacial wind]

Literally the entire room groans and gives up at the same time

[stone flax]

am i on reddit rn

wut did i just read

[honest nacelle]

That's actually insane I'm ngl

[sacred elm]

aligner, you wont suddenly die or something if you admit that youre wrong

[tawdry tree]

😂

[honest nacelle]

Stared at that response for a hot second in disbelief

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I said.

[glacial wind]

Does that help the context lmao

[tawdry tree]

It does

I was wrong.

[honest nacelle]

chat clip it

[sacred elm]

[honest nacelle]

Aligner admission of being wrong

[stone flax]

One of the mighty has fallen gg

[chilly mural]

yay

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-shock-gif-6475834490877121384

[chilly mural]

🎉

[tawdry tree]

Can I please know if this is the case for all firmware versions though. Out of interest.

If he said anything about that.

[harsh dove]

For more context, all of the calibration changes were done as part of Firmware version v2.8 and hasn't changed much since then

[glacial wind]

To think we may never have had this amazing moment if I didn’t randomly ask Simon about deadzone updates

[honest nacelle]

Wasn't necessarily random since it was spurred on by alinger's refusal to believe in the more likely theory but nice we have confirmation now

[honest nacelle]

Just out of curiosity when was ver.2.8 released?

[glacial wind]

Well I wasn’t even asking that to him originally, I just asked him if a deadzone adjustment would be added like geon lol

[harsh dove]

[glacial wind]

He just happened to answer in a way that explained the whole debate by accident

[tawdry tree]

The compensation stage is gone on the latest firmware on the 80HE and on the more recent batch of 60HE+s.

[sacred elm]

April/May

[chilly mural]

tldr, buy ttc pom for max clack and speed?

[tawdry tree]

and many switches which were previously not optimally compatible at all are now almost optimally compatible.

[glacial wind]

Officially yeah if you want max deadzone minimization, but I don’t think a lot of people even care about having 0.15 less deadzone

[harsh dove]

May 15th 2024

[glacial wind]

a lot of people don’t even use rt on 0.15 so it won’t even affect those who don’t use it that sensitive

[tawdry tree]

@glacial wind did Simon say which firmware versions this was for?

[chilly mural]

people be wanting sub 0.1mm trigger, I think that should amount to something

[glacial wind]

It’s for currently and how it’s worked for a long while

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-it-all-ed-sheeran-saturday-night-live-give-it-all-to-me-give-me-all-of-it-gif-23824770

[glacial wind]

It is noticable, but there’s adjustment time too. Even for me I’m top 1% mechanics wise but zero dead 0.15 is noticeably hair trigger

[fast oriole]

do the jade switches still support the analog features and everything the same as the original stock switches

[glacial wind]

I noticed immediately that I’d stutter step by accident more easily when first getting used to it

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[polar girder]

I just want the best performance at this point

I’ve conceded my preferred sound is not possible on HE

[harsh dove]

Best performance is 80HE

[polar girder]

Bro

I know

I’m cooked

[harsh dove]

lmao

[polar girder]

Need 60HE PRO MAX now!

lol

[glacial wind]

major update will bring 0.1 rt and switch selector too since Simon said they’d likely try to be released together whenever he’s done with it

[chilly mural]

we need 2he pro, full size need some love too

plus soo large you can do dual mcu

as an experiment

[glacial wind]

So if you did magneto pom plus 0.1 rt at same time you’d see a drop of 0.2 or so in sensitivity at the bottom

which would definitely be noticable if you weren’t used to hair trigger sensitivity already

[tropic urchin]

Someone needs to pressure Gateron for jade magneto stability 👀

[glacial wind]

That’s the jade gaming

It just doesn’t sound very good though

But it is cheaper than magnetos in exchange for being a bit muddy sound and not feeling as nice

[tropic urchin]

or atleast better Jade gamings then they sounded like dog water

@glacial wind have your magnetos had a lot of top wobble when you try to move/shift your keycap at all? My ASUS box stem switches had some super heavy wobble that made me feel like I was trying to remove a baby tooth

[glacial wind]

Not in the ttc, but the gateron jade gaming I can feel the box stem wobble at the top a bit

I think magneto are tight enough at the top that I don’t get box stem top feel, but the gaming I do because they’re a tad less tight on top

[tropic urchin]

Oh I see then.. Jade gaming is going to need a few iterations then. Jade gaming pro maybe for them to get their shit straight

[glacial wind]

The problem is their jade gaming are already using all the pro stuff I think

The magnet they use is the same one as the jade pro already

[tawdry tree]

Is there a keycap profile that’s completely flat, not concave or convex at all?

Similar to most laptop keys.

[stone flax]

no sculpting?

cuz there are flatter profiles but they still end up doing convex or concave

[tawdry tree]

exactly, just completely flat.

[stone flax]

try g20

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[stone flax]

if image would send

There

[tawdry tree]

That’s good.

[chilly mural]

Flatter than the Earth

[sudden tinsel]

does anyone has a terrible stab on he80 like mine 😭
need help

[polar girder]

Or f10

https://spkeyboards.com/collections/f10-flat-keycaps

Picture is not f10

[tawdry tree]

That’s fantastic. It’s by the same store that sells G20.

[pastel vigil]

Yo gang, it's been a minute. Looking to try some new switches, what's worth looking at these days? Still rocking my Jades with 22mm springs.

[cyan lark]

Jades are still pretty high up there. Jade Pros are a slight improvement on them IMO, and if you want something pretty different you could check out TTC KOM

[pastel vigil]

Yeah I've been considering the Jade Pros but figured I'd see what else is out there, Ill check out those TTC Kom switches.

The pros just seem like V2 Jades which is good and I like that they use a 20mm spring by default now, Ill prob still swap them out for my 22s.

[cyan lark]

That's about how I'd describe them.

[pastel vigil]

I got the lekker v2s to try with the 80he, they do feel nicer than V1s but the Jades are still better and I find myself always tempted to reach for my 60he.

Hopefully the Jade Pros make me commit to the 80he for a while haha

[cyan lark]

If jed is here, he's tried everything under the sun and can provide better rec's 🙂

Lekkers aren't bad for sure, but I too landed on just wanting to use Jades most of the time. Currently mainlining the KOMs, which are fun.

[sly otter]

Is there a noticeable difference in performance?

at lowest rt

[cyan lark]

I wouldn't know, I don't run anywhere near the lowest RT

[glacial wind]

Kom Pom/rgb are definitely good, but sound is what I like to call an acquired taste

It’s definitely way too high pitch clacky and loud for many people

But you do get the most stable switches you will ever feel outside of frankenswitch

[pastel vigil]

Sound is a bonus but mainly the feel is what I base my decision on.

[pastel vigil]

That is very tempting then.

[glacial wind]

This is how loud they are lol

That’s the ttc magneto Pom

[cyan lark]

Their bottom out is a hard clack

[pastel vigil]

My neighbours will know when I start working now.

[cyan lark]

They could probably figure out the password to your bank account if you're using KOMs

[gleaming crow]

Anyone know where I can get a good office chair in Canada?

[chilly mural]

Ooh. That has the sound of clack that I exactly want

Much closer to geon raw (which is already pretty close)

[fervent flint]

Hi everyone, I'm new here 😄 I was wondering about buying a 60HE+ module and then buying the Gateron Jade Switches, then later on buy custom keycaps. Is this a stupid soloution?

[stone flax]

solution to what exactly

[chilly mural]

Still hard to justify the switches though... But I want the clack!

[fervent flint]

Well, I'm new to keyboards. But I want to get a new one and I looked up Wooting and saw some really good feedback on the 60HE. I was just wandering if I should buy an already built 60HE or if I should buy the module and then look for switches, case and keycaps somewhere else 🙂 Sorry if my message don't make any sense lol

[stone flax]

oh gotcha

are u versed in customs or just want a board u can play around with as a starting point and then consider modification after youve formulated some preference

its easier to tell if u already have some idea of the kinds of things u want beforehand

but going in blind theres nothing wrong with the prebuilt

[fervent flint]

I've looked at some pieces to put together with the module, and watched a lot of videoes. Tbh it doesn't look that tricky, but I may be wrong 😂

[cyan lark]

Not stupid, I’d just recommend you take a listen to the jades. They’re a great switch, but some prefer the sound of other switches. Feel wise they’re nice, but another caveat is that their throw is a bit shorter than the Lekkers (3.5mm vs 4mm)

[fervent flint]

And thank you for helping a newbie out! 😄

[fervent flint]

Yeah, I'm a bit unsure of what switches to go for! Have seen some good and bad responses to the Lekkers, but almost no bad ones for Jades

[cyan lark]

I’d also look into the Jade Pros. Not sure the price difference right now from the Jades, but they’re just a little nicer IMO.

[stone flax]

if ur going the route of jades, which fits into a different archetypes of lekkers (being a closed travel, reduced travel switch) then i'd say to look into geon raw he or jade pros instead

same principle switches but just better tolerances wise

[fervent flint]

Uhh I will look into those! Thanks guys!

And then go the Module route?

[cyan lark]

If you’re not interested in Lekker switches, yes

Otherwise you’re paying for switches you won’t use

The build process is really not complicated either.

[fervent flint]

Thats true.. I have an old Speedlink Ultor keyboard I've had for almost 6 years now.

I've always wanted to "build" one myself 😄

[stone flax]

then a wooting is perfect to start off tbh

very large options for customization and such

easy aswell relatively

[fervent flint]

Just what I thought. That's great!

Can I add you guys? If you don't mind of course 🙂

[cyan lark]

I keep my conversations here in public channels, not DMs. No offense. But there’s usually someone around to answer questions.

[fervent flint]

All good!

Thanks for the help guys 😇

[cyan lark]

Have fun!

[real meadow]

do jade pros come prelubed from gateron?

[stone flax]

ya

[barren wasp]

do jade pros have magnet issues?

my s key randomly stops when i long press

[tawdry tree]

sounds like a board issue. do you have mod tap on S perhaps?

or any other advanced keys.

[barren wasp]

yes i have tape mod

[cyan lark]

I’ve not had any issues in particular with Jade Pros, no.

[barren wasp]

wait i shouldnt

sorry i misread as tape mod

[tawdry tree]

RT settings then maybe? does the issue happen when your RT settings are less sensitive?

[barren wasp]

i think it was just a faulty switch bc i swapped it out

and now it works fine

[tawdry tree]

🤔

if it works, it works. 😅

[stone flax]

love me some cerakeys https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1hdna6v/i_asked_one_question_about_return_policy_cerakey/

[cedar gate]

Tbh keycaps other than plastic just make it too hard to tune stabs

[stone flax]

was more so about the interesting cs

[tawdry tree]

The questions that were asked are fine to me. I get how it could seem like a lecture as the guy asked a million questions back to back but most were valid.

😂

Getting a cerakey set where everything just works seems kinda rare

Cs is good in general though, I think.

[cedar gate]

a cerakey spacebar is louder than a box jade lol

[tawdry tree]

haha, it can be yeah

[uneven cradle]

Yeah not sure the guy said anything wrong tbh

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think so. Just a whole lot of questions which can seem like a lot.

[uneven cradle]

A classic reddit moment where everyone gets upset over mostly nothing

[stone flax]

op is a yapper

[tawdry tree]

bro I genuinely don’t know what the cs guy said that offended the op so much

the op and every other commenter lmao

something I’m missing?

[uneven cradle]

Yeah he was very upset over the "you're lucky more keycaps aren't failing" line that he thought was taunting

But given the context it was just a common issue with that setup

[tawdry tree]

to be so upset over someone trying to help to write a whole ass essay is kinda insane

[amber hornet]

I dont think so, OP just takes everything personally. It was a misunderstanding that OP just wanted to know return policy, which caine didnt pick up on. Also I just wanna acknowledge that OP demanding him to be "fired" and never work in customer service again is effing ridiculous

[tawdry tree]

The customer is always right. 🤣

[amber hornet]

suuuure

[glacial wind]

Classic karening where you make the situation sound awful but you were actually the crazy person the whole time

[amber hornet]

yeah. Its baffeling to me how much ppl agree with OP

[glacial wind]

It’s cause op framed everything making it sound awful and half of them probably never checked for evidence before jumping on board the hate train

[cyan lark]

People rarely read past titles

[amber hornet]

Somebody needs to make a TLDR for this

[glacial wind]

I actually think people are programmed to behave like that these days. The amount of folks who blindly listen to whatever stance their favourite YouTuber says then believe it as fact is insane

[amber hornet]

Swarm intelligence

[glacial wind]

the amount of video essays I’ve watched on YouTube where halfway through I think “wait the evidence this guy gave doesn’t match his conclusion” is shockingly high in some niches

[amber hornet]

btw I didnt get an answer there, does anybody know?

[glacial wind]

8k for mice is a bit of a meme

[amber hornet]

yea I am just interested bc of the extra battery life claim

[glacial wind]

You probably hurt yourself more turning on 8k poll for a mouse than the benefits of mouse smoothness when jumping up from 4k

[amber hornet]

I dont use the mouse at 8k. But they r generally claiming to have better battery life with the dongle, regardless of 8k polling.

[glacial wind]

That’s an interesting claim

Maybe whatever low power mode they programmed only works with the new dongle

[amber hornet]

Hmm

I think I'll ask around a bit

[cedar gate]

I think 2k is perfect

Not too much not too little

I use 1k for general and 2k in game

[stone flax]

do u use high polling

i love 4k ms

[fallen pecan]

Anyone use this? A “capclip” that pulls 4 caps at once

[amber hornet]

I use it at 4k while gaming, 1k for general usage

[tawdry tree]

Wuque’s works better from the videos I’ve seen.

[night atlas]

so just incase anyone's an idiot like me and thinks one of their LED's isn't working

double check if one of the switches is upside down lmfao

on another note, could be a cool way to have a more subtle RGB effect

[tacit acorn]

Hello, i was planning to buy the Everglide Skylines but I heard they’re basically the same as the Everglide UE has anyone tested either of these switches? I also read that they’re as good as the TTC KoM but with much better sound.

[glacial wind]

the Everglides arent as good as kom if you mean stability wise

[tacit acorn]

I dont know much abt switches i just see that https://x.com/283sann/status/1861417486262174121?s=46

283 (@283sann) on X

左 謎スイッチ
右 Everglide 万磁王

ほぼほぼ0.01以下で動作

形が似てるからEverglide万磁王と比較してるけどこれが噂のSkylineなのか、、？
進化早くね？

Twitter · Nov 26, 2024, 2:31 PM

[hybrid cairn]

da frick is all this

[feral adder]

im new to wooting/hall effect keyboards and in general haven't gone too deep into keyboard modding. i want to get a new keyboard with hall effects for the rapid trigger and also have it sounding more on the creamy side and feeling nice and high quality to use. what are the best compatible switches and cases.

[glacial wind]

Yeah that right basically shows it’s not as stable

[stone flax]

what is creamy

[feral adder]

i feel like keyboard sounds are pretty opiniated but for me its a nice smooth satisfying sound

its kinda self explanitory tho

[stone flax]

satisfying smooth sound?

[feral adder]

sure

u know what i mean

[stone flax]

i really dont

what youtube video is ur definition of creamy

[feral adder]

im here to get help with building a keyboard not to explain to someone what a creamy sounding keyboard is

[stone flax]

well people are gonna need more than "i want a satisfying sounding keyboard" to point u towards a concrete direction

[tacit acorn]

What the best choice stability everglide ue or jade pro? Or what switches do u recommend ?

[feral adder]

okay forget that part. what are all the compatible switches that i can use if im not interested in the lekkers. and what cases are good

[hybrid cairn]

we cant give you help if you dont describe what you want. everything youve used is subjective and "creamy" can mean many things, or nothing at all cause it isnt a scientific form of sound

[feral adder]

okay i will be more specific

[stone flax]

raw he/jade pros for reduced travel closed bottoms, ttk koms for box stem stability

lekker v2/hejin are fine enough if u just want a no frills open bottom

[feral adder]

and with any of these other switches i still can use all the same software correct?

[glacial wind]

Jade pro if you want best overall. Ttc magneto Pom or rgb if only stability is your goal (but they don’t sound as nice as jade pro) and are way pricier

[stone flax]

ya if they work with the board they work with wootility

[hybrid cairn]

i think they sound good tho, very clacky

[cyan lark]

I'll say they're not as "refined" sounding. Of course it's subjective.

The absurd clackiness is definitely fun.

[glacial wind]

Yeah it’s an acquired taste so I’m always hesitant to recommend them for people who value sound

[hybrid cairn]

idk what refined sounding means tbh

[hybrid cairn]

for sure, satisfying too imo

[hybrid cairn]

i value sound, and giga clacky sounds fun haha

[cyan lark]

If the Jade Pro is a violin, the TTC KoM is a bongo.

[hybrid cairn]

yeah that did not help at all lmao

i still dont get it

perhaps i need to listen to more jade pro and kom sound tests to understand idk

[cyan lark]

It's also hard to intimate how it sounds in person via recordings.

[stone flax]

impossible*

[hybrid cairn]

yeah cause theres a lot of variables, i suppose i will never unsatdn what youre talkin about then lol

sadge

[feral adder]

here, i want my keyboard to sound similar to this one #1173784544529363034 message
so what do i need in order to make it sound like that or similar
so far i plan on lubing switches and stabs, burger mounting, foam mod, tape mod, switch tape/film mod holee mod or possibly getting different stabs (depends on budget). i'm just not sure on what case and switches to get.

[stone flax]

a bulk of that sound he's getting specifically is because of the mounting style and foam config (polyfill)

holee mod is bad in the long term when u can just lube and balance stabs if need be (that way u wont be left with an inevitably mushy experience)

[feral adder]

okay then i wont holee mod

[stone flax]

chattering and wobble from loose tolerances becomes unnecessary when you just opt for switches with good tolerances

[feral adder]

and what switches would those be

[stone flax]

so not really needed as seen with these lekkers he did it for

[stone flax]

non lekker v1's lol

[feral adder]

mm okay

[stone flax]

any reason ur still planning to stick to traymount or you open to diff styles anyways

[feral adder]

im open to different styles tbh, i just dont really know much

[stone flax]

x

wooting is gh60 compatible so u have a bit more leeway in terms of looking for non-traymount if u want

can also just go ham and technically just friction fit the pcb/plate assembly if a bottom case allows for it

[feral adder]

what would be the pros/cons in a different mounting style

[stone flax]

this @feral adder

granted not all of these mounts and implementations youll be able to do

but it just adds to the idea a bit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G-UZOmY3ZdEM288UN3sB-tz9oRRZOTPfjtdnokDO1Nw/edit

[feral adder]

which ones will i be able to do

[stone flax]

anything that doesnt rely on specific plate or pcb specs, most often something that might require standoffs but no longer neccesitates just going with traymount

so most often its cases where the case holds the pcb with some form of friction instead (gaskets, o-rings, etc..)

there are others ofc but those might require special plates/tinkering and such

[feral adder]

what am i going to be able to use and put in with 100% confidence, i don't want to to extra work etc. so if you can give me a few specific options to choose from that would be the most helpful, thanks

[stone flax]

wdym by extra work

[feral adder]

i mean i just dont want to spend extra time researching keyboards and if i can get this figured out sooner that would be better

[stone flax]

i mean there are a lot of cases to choose from

[feral adder]

what are the more well known or accesible cases that i will be satisfied with

im not looking for perfect, i just want something a bit higher end

[edgy totem]

theres a list out there to whats compatible with the 60he here https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[feral adder]

thank you

[edgy totem]

most common i've seen recently are from kbdfans which has the tofu redux which has a traditional shape and 461e which is a bit more unique but not for everyoine which are avilable for the most part

[stone flax]

budget?

[feral adder]

under $200?

is that reasonable

[stone flax]

for the case

Or whole build?

[feral adder]

whole build, ill change it to under/at $250

money isnt really a problem if it goes over a bit, but im just trying to be mindful

[stone flax]

hm

461e, friction mounted tofu60 w/ brass, aftermarket salvation(?)

salvations at 110 during bfcm wouldve been nice

Is the posideon good nowadays

idrk

[feral adder]

i think the tofu60 is the best pick, i dont wanna spend time looking after market and the tofu60 is relatively inexspensive and in stock

and the brass is just to make it feel heavier or what?

what am i paying $25 for

[glacial wind]

Heavy weight make keyboard heavy

[feral adder]

what is the point in that though

[glacial wind]

It can help reduce vibrational sound, but it’s partially just for fun too

[feral adder]

so im fine just not getting it and saving $25 or is it really worth getting it

[gleaming crow]

Anyone know where I can get a good office chair in Canada?

[glacial wind]

I’d get it just because I like a dense heavy case and it can help the sound pitch a little, but it’s a very minor thing and up to you

[feral adder]

alright, ill look online and make a final decision of that then, thanks

im assuming i need to get this? so which of the two is better/whats the difference

[sacred elm]

you dont need

[stone flax]

helps with sound

[stone flax]

plate material options

module comes with pc

[feral adder]

should i use foam, killmat, or dynamat for noise dampening? i heard of killmat and dynamat recently and wondering if i should choose one of those 2 instead of normal foam

[stone flax]

preference

[feral adder]

is there any video link(s) you have showing the differences?

[polar girder]

No one has a Wooting/PSD60 gasket mount plate that I’ve found

Could be a budget slammer of someone put that together tho

[vapid sleet]

what are the best switches for the wooting

[hybrid cairn]

wdym by best

[vapid sleet]

sound wise

[sacred elm]

jade pro might be

but keep in mind that it messes rgb colors

[inland fern]

can i somehow make the gasket mount softer on my 80he?

[arctic monolith]

Anyone got any good looking keycaps for 60he?

[cedar lynx]

does the optimum case come with the friction pad?

[cedar lynx]

bruuhhhh, lemme know what you come up with

[edgy totem]

for kilmat mods and stuff, its hard to determine the difference. Like for a traditional PCB, theres plenty, but for a wooting board, the results are different. You can also get a mod kit from "torontokeyboardman" for foam, PET sheet, and different types of plates, and a poron case foam thats compatible with tofu in one shot. I don't know if theres cheaper in aliexpress, but i ordered from him, he's a pretty responsive guy via email too.

[fossil knoll]

Hello are any of these keyboards good?
https://shop.wuquestudio.com/products/aurora-x-mizu?sacode=27tagr&utm_source=simple-affiliate&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=KeebFinder+(7142585401514)

https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/qk80-mk2-limited-edition

https://www.melgeek.com/products/melgeek-mojo-aluminum-5-2-bluetooth-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?ref=jezjkutr

I like the first 2 alot, but not everything is about looks ig

[fallen pecan]

Dareu's ceramic caps in cherry profile, BOW, about $55: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=863128856696

[near kestrel]

is what you have ISO FR AZERTY cherry profile in PBT

[night vortex]

Hi. I'm interested in the capability of modding the 80he for practical reasons. I wanna make it as low profile as possible, even at the cost of having the PCB between 2 layers of plastic. Not really interested in sound or feel. I know there's a nuphy 75 he low profile, but their QC and support is really bad. Aparently some of them die, just by updating them. So first things first:

1. Can the total travel of the switch be modified ?(bottom out being reduced by adding a layer of material at the bottom of the switch casing). If not, what is preventing me to do that? I've heard that it is impossible, but i don't understand why.

2. How much material can i remove from the casing. Or what parts of the assembly can i remove or swap for home made ones that would help reduce the height?

3. 4-5mm keycaps on crosstem do horrible for durability (i think they're called XVX profile, nuphy calls them nSA) . Any ideas how to prevent them from breaking? I have 2 broken sets already. Same type of keycaps (quality and profile wise) but with kailh choc v1 (2 points of pressure), have no problem whatsoever, since my old keyboard has been passed to my brother and it was used for past 8 years, with not one single keycap broken (been taken apart a few times for cleaning).

[tawdry tree]

1. Yes, you can. A store in Japan sells travel limiters specifically for that purpose but if you’re not from Asia, you can use M2 washers (the material of the washer will have an effect on feel and sound).

2. I don’t think there’s any excess material at all on the bottom of the case. The 80HE’s files are public now so it’s very possible to design your own case.

3. If the keycaps break easily, I’d think it’s more of a problem with the manufacture/quality than it is to do with the profile. Have you looked at different vendors/manufacturers?

[night vortex]

Thanks. Where can i find those files?

[little glen]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-design/tree/main/wooting-80he

[tidal frigate]

12 forks already

[strong nova]

wtf is this

[little glen]

what do you think this is

[amber hornet]

wth is that name mate

[tidal frigate]

Case files

[night vortex]

3. No it's really not. Don't get me wrong, the materials and build quality couldnt be worst, but the worst of the sets is the one on the kailh chocs, and they never had an issue, even by being removed as many times as they've been. Further more I've seen this issue with high quality keycaps on other ppl keyboards. It's an issue of the crosstem, for having 1 point of connection/pressure, so it starts cracking with time and use (in my case due to low quality and my heavy hands, very fast 30%+ failure rate at 6 months........ for other ppl and with high quality keycaps it's most likely not an issue). 2 or 4 points of connection/pressure keycaps never had this kind of problem no matter had bad quality they are. Except breaking by trying to remove them with too much force and at a bad angle. So, i don't belive it's really solvable because these due to their dimensions will always need to be made of thin material. There's very little options out there.

[signal ridge]

If i want to tape mod the wooting do i remove the Layer with the stuff explaining everything or do i put it inbetween it

[reef oar]

idek what that means

just apply tape all along this pcb side

[tawdry tree]

I’ve seen keycap poles split but never had it happen on any of my sets. I’m not really sure what the cause is, I always thought it was quality of the material used. Cherry profile isn’t flat but it’s quite minimal, could go with a Cherry set?

or XDA?

[signal ridge]

Do i remove this tho

[night vortex]

These arent flat either, they are just low profile (personally not a fan of flat). Lower than xda and DSA. Not really honestly. They add like 4-5mm.

[reef oar]

afaik yes? check the official wooting youtube, they have a video on it

[tropic urchin]

yes its a partial tape mod, so if you want the full thing you will

[night vortex]

ill show ypu. give me 5min

[tawdry tree]

I meant not angled with “flat”. XDA isn’t angled from row to row but Cherry is. It might be difficult to find an XDA set though.

[worthy rover]

what I did was tape mod 3 layers then stick this thingie back on the taped layers

I didnt want to throw it out

[signal ridge]

What tape did u use? Painters tape?

[worthy rover]

yeah

https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/dp/B000VD8ZBW?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

[signal ridge]

Alr ty

[reef oar]

masking tape, painters tape, all the same

paper based tape

no shiny plastic stuff

[night vortex]

The one in the callipers is crosstem PBT 5mm on yhe thin side and 6mm on yhe thick side

The one I'm holding is kailh choc. 4mm on the thin side and 6mm on the thick side

The "round" crossstem is abs, and the kailh is abs but thinner

8 years and 5-6 cleanups. Not one keycap broken. Look at this

[reef oar]

i think limiting the travel might be your best bet

[tawdry tree]

They all broke?

[night vortex]

30% failure rate

[tawdry tree]

The + and the round ones

[night vortex]

not all but many

withing 6months

of use

[tawdry tree]

The only other thing I could think of is it being caused by your switch’s stem

that was a big issue on some switches

and there would be a solution for that.

[night vortex]

Ik, but it isnt that, it's just normal wear, yes quality and materials have a large impact in how much they endure, but ultimately a single point of pressure it's a failed design.

So my question is, how do i reinforce them?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah but this is not normal, not for any keycaps unless the manufacturer fucked the tolerances up which I don’t think is likely.

[night vortex]

Since there arent many options to chose from

[tawdry tree]

Not sure, I’d try to glue a few caps to see how they hold up after, if they still break I’d get a stem trimmer

and trim the switch stems a bit.

https://geon.works/products/geon-trimmer

[night vortex]

Earlier you were talking about these right?

[tawdry tree]

To limit the travel? Not exactly O-Rings, but washers. You can try O-Rings as well but they’re very squishy.

[night vortex]

a washers for inside the switch

[tawdry tree]

A rubber/silicone O-Ring or washer will drastically dampen bottom out sound as well, not sure if you like that.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah.

For in the bottom housing of closed bottom switches like the Jades.

[night vortex]

there's these plastic PVC washers, that i can find them in 0.5mm variety

they could work

[tawdry tree]

0.5 is optimal as you can stack them to achieve your desired travel.

[night vortex]

Dont need to stack them. I think magnetic jades are 3.3mm, so 2.8 is great

[tawdry tree]

They have to have an outer diameter of 3.9mm or less, (you can get away with 4mm but they might be a pain to take out again).

[night vortex]

Even 3.00 is great

[gilded star]

hi guys i have ordered but I make a mistake with the order: i put the wrong dress and i idk how to change it

[tawdry tree]

You can change it in the Wooting Hub. If you don’t have an account yet, make one with the same email as you ordered with. 🙂

https://hub.wooting.io/

Go to your order and scroll down, you’ll see your address and a edit button on the top right.

[frosty coral]

Has anyone got a jade pro with a tofu build?

with a soundtest

cant find any on yt

[next veldt]

is it worth tape modding and is there any better aftermarket stabilizers anyone would recommend?

[cyan lark]

https://youtu.be/jm83z8_Zonk?feature=shared

Oh jade pro, my bad.

That but ever so slightly deeper sound 🙂

[frosty coral]

whats the best sounding wooting here?

[polar girder]

https://knckeys.com/products/swagkeys-knight-stabilizers

Restock

[tropic urchin]

Preference, but I lean towards more clacky boards and Jade pros have been my fav switches so far for my 80HE.

[frosty coral]

sorry but i know ive asked this before but

[cyan lark]

The one that wins your heart. For me, it's mine.

[frosty coral]

what mods do i get

for my 60he

current mods

tofu 60
jade pros
random ali express keycaps

doing tape mod next

wanna buy it all in one not separately slowly

[cyan lark]

Toss some sound dampening foam in the spacebar?

[frosty coral]

what foam shld i go for

[cyan lark]

🤷 kilmat or something similar

[stone flax]

Mine

[next veldt]

is it worth tape modding and is there any better aftermarket stabilizers anyone would recommend?

[stone flax]

1. tape mod is so quick and easy and reversible to do that if you wanted to do it you can, “worth” is subjective but when trying it out takes so little effort wheres the harm in doing so.
2. All stabs are nigh identical given proper compatibility and tuning, just work on the stock stabs.

[opaque holly]

would say to dont do it after ive done sometimes my A key move me

[sacred elm]

10 layer is enough imo

[thorn zealot]

What ur build

[stone flax]

oh ok

i wanna die

[thorn zealot]

Love it

I really do

[stone flax]

zanks i really need softer tadpoles tho

a lil pingy and stiff :L

[harsh dove]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message Similar build but POM plate with 60a tads

everything else the same

[polar girder]

I have some spare ones

Idk where you live

[stone flax]

east coast

[polar girder]

I mean I bought all hardnesses but don’t think I’ll ever use anything other than 50a

And live Midwest

[inland jetty]

for the 80-he owners out there, did it make any difference sound wise and rattle wise changing the stabilizers or is it bareely noticeable?

[stone flax]

id be willing to cop em

[pastel vigil]

It's the same as the 60he, not worth it imo. You just need a good tune on the stocks.

[polar girder]

I might be able to get away with shipping you the 60A in an envelop

[echo surge]

Try to add extra lube or remove the spacebar and only push it down about 50-80% of the way so it doesn't rattle

[inland jetty]

ahhh, so its a very minor sidegrade. Thanks, Thats what i did with my 60he plus some plumber tape and lube and it worked

[echo surge]

I found that pushing the spacebar all the way down would introduce rattling on one side with my aftermarket keycaps

[inland jetty]

will do good sir. Im waiting on the jade pros and really tempted to get a carbon fiber plate

[inland jetty]

i feel like it could be the magnet chatter as well

forgot if the magnets are lubeable on the v1 lekkers but i lubed the fuck out of the housings to remove that little chatter

[stone flax]

id be down, yeah.

[inland jetty]

it was a nightmare on the spacebar, enter and right shift key for me

[echo surge]

That could also be it, but in my case, it stopped rattling once I figured out not to torque down on the stabilizer stems when reinstalling the spacebar

[inland jetty]

sorry, im new to keyboard modding. can you explain to me what you mean by toruqing down the stabs? xD apologies

[echo surge]

When you install keycaps, you normally push down on the stem to the point where it won't go down anymore. For the spacebar, I meant to install it so it's not as snug on the stab stems as your other keys

It takes a bit of trial and error to get it so it doesn't rattle

[inland jetty]

thank you so much for clarifying, that helps a lot 😄 It seems like stabs qc are still random so it depends on what kind of condition it comes with plus keycaps you are using + switches I guess

[echo surge]

My stock spacebar wasn't rattling so I figured it had to be from the aftermarket spacebar

[inland jetty]

i remember changing the case plus the foams and such for my 60he and it took quite a bit of trial and error as well as methods to get the spacebar right and the other keys

i was so close to reverting abck to the og plastic blsack case lmao

[inland jetty]

i see, it will take trial and error again, hahaha

[echo surge]

To be fair, the stock stabs have been good for me but I did add a little extra lube for the space bar stabs just in case

[inland jetty]

yeah that's pretty easy to do as well. hoping mine will be just as easy

just glad i dont have to buy another stab. Only spacebar foam and jade pros. the carbon fiber \plate, is more of a luxury at this point as well but i wanna test it out

[echo surge]

Yeah I feel like it's not worth buying new stabs for the 80HE but go ham on everything else you wanna mod

[inland jetty]

i think ill take the recommendations. just the foam + jade pros then carbon fiber just for fun. I feel like thats pretty good until maybe aftermarket cases come along. I'm gonna reuse my KAT profile keycaps from my 60he. I really like these keycaps comfort wise aside from the bullshit shinethrough at a steep price xD

[polar girder]

Ok DM

[echo surge]

I was pretty happy with the stock zinc alloy case and even lekker V2s, just installed my MT3 profile keycaps and left the rest stock

[near loom]

Does anyone have a soundtest of the optimum case with different plates and mounts?

[cedar gate]

Wooting does

Let me link it

[fluid ravine]

Here's mine

Wooting 60HE
Optimum Case (silicone posts cover and 7 degree feets used)
Gmk 80082
Geon RAW HE
CF plate
Friction Pad Mount
TX Ap plate mounts (bone dry AF)

[near loom]

Nice i was looking for a cf plate test, my pc plate cracked

[fluid ravine]

👍

[kind geyser]

Hello guys

getting my 80he this week, siless on europe is too expensive, could EVA foam do the same function?

and what thickness should i get? 2mm? or more?

[kind geyser]

@tranquil lake

[tranquil lake]

Didnt tested yet. Ordered 1.5mm and 2mm thickness, should be ok. Bought 50x50cm of this for like 10$

i saw people installing 2mm of this with stock foam

you can measure stock foam for us 😄

and basically buy something with same dimensions

[kind geyser]

ok i'll make a video or photos about this, got keycaps too, frogtape, gonna put 3 layers, but each frogtape is different on thickness etc

[polar girder]

Yeah I use something similar

I like it FWIW

[kind geyser]

https://www.amazon.es/Hojas-21x30-grosor-blanco-10hoja/dp/B0074GOJ1E?__mk_es_ES=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=369JF0PCOQ01&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.A_CpPOwYqJDxzeV2OQm8y1KbME859Cuj9rX6w61gi6M6rsUEP4LSnuaPENm2h389aYdl1EVx7bw9R7Kv8yhAZt8HbQ5D9K8kNJfGUHKOtf9sahcD0AS93k13oFivtagPWXaiTxWczNL9-qFA1Qs2kvo1NoGkH0aNK-HhI3DDSO_Sxz1ohCTK1MbNUmw59fF5JGQc8Qxjw9tw28YfdHVEPA0PbaL-Lp8cj1hh9PDwCCEW8SynpFbYSCXsyEh-m7tKH_UDQI4lB6NGR2AcWKfRHS5cEF5IaAEgIl1hUR1qfYE.yzyvABm4fsIOM2_jm0FdNwVGlh-Vz54U9XlsaNiPu0k&dib_tag=se&keywords=EVA+foam+2mm&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1734299261&sprefix=eva+foam+2mm%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-4#customerReviews

u think this could work?

[tranquil lake]

just stick with stock foam or just search for "butyl matt" cheaper than siless

[kind geyser]

got the eva foam with frogtape, gona send pic when i install it thanks!!!

[worldly igloo]

geon raw he at KBD fans re out of stock any 1 know for long it take to restock or anything to contact them and ask

[sullen lotus]

does anyone know where to get custom keycaps!

[ocean widget]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[amber hornet]

lol

[fossil panther]

Got my 80HE some flat profile (KAM) keyreative keycaps and loving it so far.

[inland jetty]

anyone got a 90pc magnetic jade pros lubed, they want to sell 😄 (NA). gonnba use it on the 80he

[elfin garnet]

when did this happen lmao

[polar girder]

Lolol

Bro repented

In a manner of speaking lol

I don’t have a problem with him. We’ve moved passed it

[tawdry tree]

one less essay. 🥰

[calm pulsar]

😭

[tacit loom]

Amazing

[calm pulsar]

actual gamer board

[barren wasp]

gateron jade pros or geon raw he

[steep pollen]

can i just place stock wooting on tofu redux?

[calm pulsar]

yes

[hybrid cairn]

wooting design team needs to see this frfr

[spring marsh]

for the optimum wooting what keycap profile is it?

mixed up the blank keycaps on accident

[feral adder]

what lube should i use for stabs?

[hybrid cairn]

dieelectric grease or XHT-BDZ for the wires, krytox 205g0 for the housing

[fluid ravine]

Cherry

[split dagger]

Now this is awesome sauce

[feral adder]

what type of foam will help me get a thockier sound

[tawdry tree]

Depends, which stabs do you/are you planning to use?

[feral adder]

TX stabs

[tawdry tree]

Then just 205 for the housing and wires rather than grease for the wires.

[dusty wren]

what case would go well with the gmk norse keycaps for a 60he? i got the alumaze black version but the accent piece i feel doesn't go w the keycaps

[stone flax]

Fjell

@dusty wren

Salvation

[glacial wind]

I’d recommend just 3d printing or coating the accent piece is what I’ve seen some people do

[stone flax]

One is an overpriced poopy traymount

[dusty wren]

where can i find and how much

oh ya i can only pay like

100 give or take a lil bit

[stone flax]

ok

[dusty wren]

how do i do that

[glacial wind]

Well coat is just paint or cerakote etc. 3d print iirc there are files somewhere for it

That’s a good question actually, I should probably add that to the wip modding website lol

I know I saw someone post the file somewhere

[knotty iron]

crazy angles, red and black, gamer cyber font, edgy, funny shapes, 9 macro buttons, 8 rubber keys gg

[dusty wren]

how do i do cerakote

[glacial wind]

Local places will cerakote things for you

You’d have to look up online

I’ve seen some people just vinyl wrap their accent too

You just need to make sure it still fits the space after of course

[dusty wren]

how muchb would it be

[glacial wind]

Totally depends on your location

[frosty coral]

WTF IS THAT

WHAT MODS

[flat cobalt]

Bro it sounds like a cartoon why

[still abyss]

i’m extremely dumb when it comes to keyboard modding can someone help me? are gateron jade max switches some of the best you can get? will i have to buy anything else or can i just take out my switches and pop them in? also will the keyboard still have rapid trigger with them? sorry for the questions

[little glen]

I think jade max are not recommended usually

Get either jade pro or geon raw he

[still abyss]

i’ll check those out ty

would they still work with rapid trigger?

[little glen]

Yes

You lose a little bit of travel when compared to lekker

But you gain some other benefits in return

(Better sound/feel)

[still abyss]

kk

[steep pollen]

\\

[knotty iron]

these are great questions, i tried jade maxes for 2 weeks and are by far the worst switches I have ever tried. they sound amazing and look super cool but they suck to actually use and swap out. they do a lot of stepping which no amount of lube (205G0) was able to fix my switches.

I switched to Geon RAW HE and they were perfect to use!

[steep pollen]

is this the tape used for tape modding? o

[hybrid cairn]

painters or masking tape usually, make sure its non conductive

[knotty iron]

Is that painters tape?

masking/painters yeah those work nicely, especially since the adhesive is much weaker

[steep pollen]

yeah masking tape

[chilly mural]

if that's the tape, yeh. It says right there it's a masking tape

[harsh dove]

It’s very simple really , frog mini, Geon raw he, PP plate, 80a tadpoles, GMK keycaps , silicone pad and no case foam, I have a similar build but with POM plate and 60a tadpoles and I replaced the crappy (imo) long stock feet with bumpons. And take sound test with a grain of salt, just cause you copy someones mods doesn't mean its going to sound the same, variables such as room acoustics and treatment, desk thickness and material, if using a deskpad (thickness and material), type of mic they're using, any filters or sound editing, the distance of the mic to the subject, etc etc

[elfin garnet]

😂

[elfin garnet]

❤️ glad to hear

[steep pollen]

i bought the tofu redux 60 and after market keycap ..i only plan to do tape mod. Which better to use the stock foam on wooting or tofu?

[harsh dove]

Test both out yourself and see which you like, only you get to choose which one is better, not us

[worldly igloo]

Just ordered 60he+ module tofu redux60 white and geon raw he 70

Now i need to get look at some keycaps any suggestions?

[flat cobalt]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[steep pollen]

what is the replacement for brass weight for tofu60 redux if i dont have one?

[tidal frigate]

Brass plate for keyboard if you want one

[still abyss]

okay thank you i’ll probably get those

[stone flax]

what

oh

dym brass weight?

[steep pollen]

oh yeah

mybad

[steep pollen]

yeah that brass weight

[stone flax]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07K2R8K2W/

Do these fit

Ya think

[harsh dove]

https://a.co/d/63m1g74

Get the square ones

And yes they work

[stone flax]

[stone flax]

might cop some to replace my boards with foam battery covers

yummy

[harsh dove]

💯

[polar girder]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DDl5Q4WSDi7/

gtmstudi0

F2-60 • Build Commission

Keyboard Specs
Keyboard: F2-60 by @geonworks
Plate: Carbon Fiber by @chq.chamber
Switch: Cherry MX2A Black @aiglatson.studio
Stabs: Designer Studio @aiglatson.studio
Keycap: GMK Black Snail @geonworks @aiglatson.studio

Instagram

Sheeesh

So clean

7u

[harsh dove]

7u is nice don't like the backspace tho

perfect layout imo

[worldly igloo]

Will they fit good to my 60he+ module with tofu60 redux white? Any1 has this build?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DG5B2NKX?ref=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_222J1427FC9RKHDRP03G&ref_=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_222J1427FC9RKHDRP03G&social_share=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_222J1427FC9RKHDRP03G&peakEvent=5&starsLeft=1&skipTwisterOG=1&th=1

[harsh dove]

Yes, they will work

[polar girder]

Truuuuuu

[stone flax]

where split backspace

[frosty coral]

holy fuck bro

im just asking

Im trying to get an idea of what to get

[spice apex]

lol i never thought id see wheel weights in a keyboard

[harsh dove]

...and I'm just replying?

[flat cobalt]

Smart this is how I’m gonna hide my gold

[frosty coral]

what r some fire stabs

[flat cobalt]

Stock

[harsh dove]

Stock stabs are fine but I like Swagkeys Knights

[fluid ravine]

Type shit CAM 🔥

[frosty coral]

hmm would u say its worth changing out the foam
using foam from the tofu60

[harsh dove]

Like changing it out with different type of foam?

[frosty coral]

ya

on the tofu60 foam or wtv

the one that came w the case

about to buy some gmks rn

[tropic urchin]

Upvote for Knight stabs

[harsh dove]

You can try Sorbothane (kinda extra), Neoprene, Packing Foam, Polyfill

I usually like running Polyfill or nothing in my boards personally

There's also EPDM, EVA, and Poron foam, which is pretty standard in most boards

and PE

[frosty coral]

idk if people actually genuinly like gmks or are just coping on the purchase

imma regrease stabs fuck getting new ones burger mount swap with stock wooting foam n new keycaps n tapemod

[tropic urchin]

They’re expensive, but ppl like designs and they got some cool ones and also have some more plain ones too.

[frosty coral]

whats the website to buy keycaps again?

[harsh dove]

I like them for a lot of reasons, quality, texture, feel and sound of ABS.
The color palette is greater, crisp legends. And for more moral/personal reasons they pay their employee's well and the artist get royalties on the sets they create with GMK

[harsh dove]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[fluid ravine]

Poly fill or nothing ftw

Have you done poly with opti case yet?

[harsh dove]

Nah I need to try it out tho

[fluid ravine]

I forgot to now I think abt it

At school sketching my dawg rn
Should've bring my keyboard fr

Dawg 🫱

Lawd have mercy on the nose I need to fix that

[harsh dove]

Should've drew a keyboard

your keyboard

[fluid ravine]

FRRRR

[harsh dove]

Nah, looks good tho bro, very nice

[fluid ravine]

Zanku

[fluid ravine]

Should've drew it, cut the keycap section, then put poly fill under it

[frosty coral]

what r some fire white keycaps

[flat cobalt]

Like full white or transparent as well?

[harsh dove]

What's the budget and what material are you looking for?

[harsh dove]

https://shop.wuquestudio.com/collections/keycap/products/ws-pbt-bow-keycaps

On sale right now for 43% off $79.00 $45.00

[fluid ravine]

[harsh dove]

1.6mm Thick Doubleshot PBT

Cherry Profile

[fallen pecan]

Man foreign pricing is wild, msrp is only $28 converted

[harsh dove]

Welcome to Planet Earth

[cyan lark]

Sure, but shipping will be twice that.

[worldly igloo]

Will my razer huntsman mini keycaps fit with 60he+ ? 😅

[harsh dove]

Yes

They have standard MX-style keycaps

[fallen pecan]

weird, wuque still charges 15 for international shipping even though the item is shipped from their NA warehouse

[wicked geode]

Welp... I tried the Jade Gaming switch and they feel the best out of all the box switches... only issue is that they have a very squelchy, almost wet, higher pitch sound. Not a fan at all.

[glacial wind]

Try the ttc magneto pom. It’s a touch tighter at top wobble

but it’s still high pitched sound (although cleaner sound)

[wicked geode]

I'm sticking with the Jade Pro's. Hilarious to me the difference in sound.

[glacial wind]

Jade gaming aren’t bad by any means though, just the magneto pom are even smoother

[pine gyro]

is there gonna be a woooting v2 anytime soon?

[glacial wind]

Yeah if you care about deeper sound then none of the box stems are it right now lol

[glacial wind]

? 80he just came out

[pine gyro]

i mean a 60he v2

[wicked geode]

Nah the Jade gaming felt better than any box switch I have tried by a massive margin. Just cared too much about the sound for the moment. I spend about 8hrs coding a day so the sound means a lot.

[glacial wind]

Trust me, I own both.

[wicked geode]

I believe you. I just can't spend money on switches until the new year lmao

[glacial wind]

Even have a sound sample to compare magneto pom vs jade gaming

[wicked geode]

So I am "living with" the Jade Pros I have. I'd love to take a listen to the sample.

[glacial wind]

But yeah I’d stick to Jade pros too if you’re not only with higher pitched sounds

[wicked geode]

Actually, those magnetos do sound much cleaner. I could live with a sound like that.

[glacial wind]

First set of keys in that sound sample is magneto pom, second is the jade gaming

Yeah. Ttc magneto pom is way cleaner sound wise, although they’re louder and higher pitched so I’m weary to recommend them to folks still lol

[wicked geode]

Yeah they are higher pitch but sound much more consistent between keys.

[glacial wind]

I love them but I know a lot will not be down with the pitch

[spice plover]

I’m having a weird issue. I changed out my switches multiple times recently… but…. The same switch legs keep breaking in the same spots really… and now when I change the switch I hear a little crunchy sound or feel. Should I clean it out someway or has anyone experienced something like this?

[zealous pecan]

I bought geon raw's three weeks ago and have been very happy with them. However some of them (mainly the ones thats getting spammed the most) is starting to have this scratchy sound when gently tapping them, which ofcourse also sounds horrible when actually pressing the key. Can anyone help me with a solution to this? Is it the spring that needs lube or something? I have done no modding to the switches so far.

[tawdry tree]

I doubt it’s the spring. You can get a switch opener and some lube (205g0) and see if it helps if you add a little on the stem.

[spice plover]

Basically when I push the stem pole down I feel a crunchy sensation or something

[tawdry tree]

the pins break when you insert the switch?

[spice plover]

When I remove the switch it’s very hard to get out and the pins usually on one side is broken yeh

And now when I push the stem pole down I feel like a crunchy sensation or something

[tawdry tree]

and it’s only for one switch hole/location?

[spice plover]

Yeah

[tawdry tree]

where this happens

hmm

is something stuck in the mounting pin holes maybe?

[spice plover]

Should I remove the entire pcb and silicone pad?

And just like blow it out or something ?

[tawdry tree]

just the switch and see if you see something odd about the mounting pin holes

would be the first thing I’d do

[spice plover]

Again broken pin

Only on this A key

[tawdry tree]

When you pulled it out, was the pin flat like that?

If so, the pin breaks when you inserted it. Which is kinda even more odd lol

[zealous pecan]

I'll give it a shot

[spice plover]

Nah only when I pulll it out it’s so fucking weird

Every single time it breaks

[tawdry tree]

send a pic of the pcb

when the switch is removed

see if there’s anything blocking the pin hole or something

[tawdry tree]

I don’t know why it happens man, nothing blocking the pin hole

do you pull it normally?

[spice plover]

The A is insanely hard to pull out

Compared to all of them yeah I always wiggle too and bottom and all others go super easily just this one and a few others random ones are insanely difficult

[tawdry tree]

maybe because it’s harder to pull out, it breaks the pin when you use much force. No clue really as there doesn’t seem to be anything blocking the pin or keeping it stuck.

[tawdry tree]

If you have a new switch, put it in and look from behind

now that the Module is out

[spice plover]

Look at this difference like wtf

[tawdry tree]

pic didn’t send

[tawdry tree]

pin broke again?

[spice plover]

Yup

[tawdry tree]

put in a switch and make a pic from the back of the pcb

I wanna know if it happens when it’s puller or before

if it happens when it’s pulled, it has to be because of the force required

[tidal frigate]

I wonder why hes not holding module

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think he has 3 hands

😄😄

[spice plover]

It’s fixed now

[spice plover]

Look how easy it is and if you watch the first video there’s a piece of white plastic that came out from somewhere like the

wtf is going. On lol and now it goes in and out easily on this one ????

[tawdry tree]

could be because it’s a different switch or, the more likely thing, the switchplate is a bit looser now since you removed the switch a few times

[spice plover]

Does this switch plate just suck or what?

[tawdry tree]

It’s tight for sure and the switch design isn’t optimal

makes removal more difficult than it should be

[spice plover]

lol I’m basically putting a l60 in each switch pad and removing it and it’s making it perfect just have to go down the line and maybe break a few switches first I guess ? 🤷‍♀️

Kinda crazy though

Can I use the bottom housing from the l60s and combine it with the dark knights or maybe the raw geons

[tawdry tree]

It’s definitely possible to remove them without breaking the pins, even when they’re difficult to remove.

I think the switch puller makes it easy to put a lot of stress on the pins

try to keep it as straight as possible.

[tawdry tree]

The Black Knight and Lekker V2 bottom housings are identical, just a different color. Raw HE’s bottom housing isn’t compatible with Black Knight’s stem.

If that helps.

[spice plover]

I think this is a huge issue with buying the module no one might know or talk about.?

literally since they never have OG wooting 4.0 switches inside the module and plate. So if you put smaller ones maybe it’s a lot harder for it to come out?

Like only switches I ever had in here were RAWs and knights but when I put the lekkar in it seems to make it a lot easier to pull out after putting in ?

[tidal frigate]

Hold camera in mouth

[spice plover]

Yup basically breaking all my stem switch legs because they never had any OG switches in the first place or the PCB / switch plate is too tight and the 3.6 knights and geons are not enough to break it in initially GG

[halcyon flax]

https://divinikey.com/products/geon-raw-he-linear-switches

Is this website legit to buy

[ionic breach]

yup

[halcyon flax]

@tired kite

[random hull]

sure but aliexpress probably cheaper

[obsidian lark]

Just got my module and the staibelizers are kinda stuck shud I do something?

[split dagger]

Yea its real

Divinikey goated

[potent holly]

What are the best Hall effect switches these days?

[spice apex]

kailh canary

[agile grove]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[gleaming crane]

What’s a good brand for high quality key caps with a lower clacky sound profile?

[agile grove]

everyone loves GMK

DROP

[edgy totem]

i'm a fan of pbtfan keycaps

(from kbdfans)

[gleaming crane]

Okay thx guys

[tawdry tree]

🙃

[calm pulsar]

ohh seeing venom on aliexpress, nice

[potent holly]

Ok what’s your preference?

[polar girder]

Oh snap

I kind of want 8k and 7u now

[calm pulsar]

[ionic breach]

[worldly igloo]

aint kbd fans better?

[halcyon flax]

It ain’t for me

[agile grove]

depends on what the shipping cost

kbdfans shipping is usually pretty expensive