🔧│keyboard_modding

[glacial wind]

i don't think jade gaming are that bad though, they're a decent pick if you wanted box stem stability but don't want to pay ttc magneto rgb/pom pricing

but sound wise they are definitely not thocky

jade pro/raw he still clears it for good clean sound

[worthy rover]

roger then I won't bother for now thanks all

[polar girder]

Yeah thock is a lie

For HE even more so

[sacred elm]

lol

i bet he still uses raptors

[polar girder]

Lekker v2 or black knight top maybe “thockiest” HE I’m pretty sure but even then, temper expectations

[polar girder]

LOL shots fired

[worthy rover]

Black knight actually sounded really good on the sound test video

they are good switches right?

[sacred elm]

wdym bro "cheater" switches

[polar girder]

Yeah

[sacred elm]

[polar girder]

I use them

[calm pulsar]

the best way to approach sound and feel is to see what you'd like to change in the sound of your actual keyboard according to your preference, rather than trying to buy everything in pursuit of made up notions like thock and stuff

[polar girder]

Come incredibly well lubed stock

[tawdry tree]

A Lekker V2 with a box stem and a lot of oil rather than thicker lube.

[polar girder]

lol

Yeah

Nice greasy switch

[worthy rover]

oil??

[polar girder]

Wish the spring was as oily

[tawdry tree]

Even on the outside

[glacial wind]

the best advice we can give is throw out chasing thock because you're going to end up with the shittier switch just because it's deeper sounding

[flat cobalt]

Like my black knights

[glacial wind]

thock doesn't exist in HE in the terms that people mean with 'thock'

[polar girder]

lol yes

[tawdry tree]

YEAHHH THAT’S THE WAY!!

[sacred elm]

Chaul become clack enthusiast

[fallen pecan]

cheater switches

[polar girder]

Yo has anyone stem swapped v2 lekker with raptors?

[tawdry tree]

They’re black because of the oil

[sacred elm]

[polar girder]

I wonder if that reduces friction

[random hull]

dumb question but i forgot to take a picture before i did disassembly, i dont remember if the wire for the spacebar faced up or down

[sacred elm]

read comments

[worthy rover]

gotchu thanks

[sacred elm]

He still uses raptors, because believes it has best performance

[tawdry tree]

Yes but it’s swapping a Raptor stem with a Raptor stem basically. Achieves nothing.

[crystal pagoda]

dead isnt thock

[polar girder]

Hmm

[crystal pagoda]

just because a switch sounds ”less” doesnt mean its deeper

[polar girder]

Why you responding to me lol

[tawdry tree]

for most people “Thock” is a lower sound and “Clack” a higher sound, sharpness or cleanness doesn’t really seem to matter to most.

[polar girder]

I’m familiar with difference in pitch vs difference in volume

[crystal pagoda]

?

chasing sound is so troll tho

esp if ur new and dont know what to expect

and then disregard the feel aspect of things

[glacial wind]

yeah and thock is definitely not just deeper sound in terms of how keyboard people use the term

[crystal pagoda]

all too common tho

[glacial wind]

they usually mean something along the lines of wuque morandi which went viral for 'thock' which is that deep but marbly clean sound

[tawdry tree]

chasing no sound is peak

[polar girder]

Your response wasn’t relevant to what I said just wasn’t sure why you responded to me lol

All good

Thanks for input

[glacial wind]

the foamy board deep marble sound is what most keyboard will mean by 'thock', which was popularized by the original owlabs jelly

then every board became foam filled boards and now the trend reversed and they like clack

[crystal pagoda]

trends are fickle and worthless

[glacial wind]

yeah just get a nice clean sound that is the pitch you like and be happy imo

[crystal pagoda]

just bc a shitty YouTube video showed someone a marbly tofu doesnt mean people should buy $30 of goka foam and butyl

but cope is cope ig

[glacial wind]

lol speaking of jade max from earlier. I see jerrorr tried out the maxes and also that 80he mod kit

[flat cobalt]

This is a steal

[glacial wind]

and he had the same friction issues with his maxes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-rIKXspdt4

[crystal pagoda]

That is shit

The 99 cents saves it

[sacred elm]

holy 0.99 sale

[glacial wind]

remember all the people who were on reddit saying the boog75 and keychron q1 he were going to destroy wooting and no one would buy wooting anymore

[sacred elm]

lol

[glacial wind]

then turns out reddit didn't know what they were talking about and wootings software is still a mile better and we're at like 60k 80he sold or whatever the number is

[flat cobalt]

Had never heard about this keyboard until I started watching this review here. https://youtu.be/s6mXayOwi6w

[glacial wind]

the one thing i'm confused at by badseeds video is he didn't notice the gain from lekker v1 vs v1.5/v2

i just got my 60he+ and comparing it to my old first gen 60he the v1.5 are a mile better with no chatter

i still don't like the v1.5/v2 hollow sound, but they're definitely noticably less chattery and wobbly

[polar girder]

Yeah badseed noob

Seems like an ok guy but he’s just chilling

Has decent taste tho

[tawdry tree]

lol

[sacred elm]

badseed noob

[crystal pagoda]

badseed sucks

[flat cobalt]

Yeah I only have the 1.5 lekkers and I don’t even think I used them swapped them out for the jades day one

[chilly mural]

at most 50k

at least 30k

[glacial wind]

eh i'd say more but we're mostly guessing off the batch numbers that were leaked

[chilly mural]

that's an insane number for something that just starts shipping 2 months ago

[glacial wind]

20k batch 1, 40k batch 2, and calder said similar batch 3 (although that batch 3 number could have changed by now)

so at least 60k+

[chilly mural]

I thought it's 10k for batch 1 and 20k for the rest

math is off

[glacial wind]

nah 20k batch then double for batch 2

[chilly mural]

yeh, that's an insane amount

[glacial wind]

reddit is always weirdos though. They were so obsessed with the arrow key stuff that people were saying wooting would be instock by batch 2 because no one would buy after batch 1 adopters

meanwhile iso module is presold until march now lol

[sacred elm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/s/CaR9ya9guS

"mistake"

[delicate igloo]

swapped my lekker45s to jade pros, very elated
https://youtu.be/_f74KzAgq2U?si=sHOt12bjzOHLh8GB

[chilly mural]

[worthy rover]

I know someone else who is a mistake

[glacial wind]

to this day I still hold my statement that the more reddit karma you have the more you are unable to analyse things and discuss like a normal person

[flat cobalt]

Was about to link it as well lol

[analog mulch]

is there a need to manualy lube the jade pro's or they come well lubed?

[tawdry tree]

tbf, nobody knows how well a TKL would’ve sold. If it would’ve outsold the 80HE or did worse. It’s anyones guess.

[sacred elm]

nice

[random hull]

can i take anything away from this for the wire, its not lubed yet

[delicate igloo]

i think i saw someone in the budgetkeebs subreddit saying that the main keeb subreddit suffers from "insufferable elitism" and they're not wrong LOL

[chilly mural]

all of iso, and JIS module sold out

for batch 3

[delicate igloo]

ty

[chilly mural]

If they're lucky, batch 3 ansi might still be instock

[sacred elm]

this 80he layout is perfect for me, I dont like tkl because its bigger

[worthy rover]

I actually have the same question for lekker v2s, is there a need to lube them or are they lubed enough?

[glacial wind]

yeah i think batch 3 ansi prebuilt black is probably highest chance of instock maybe, since it's what they produce the most of

[tawdry tree]

Put a switch and keycap on it real quick.

Np if the switch is a bit loose.

[glacial wind]

personal preference. Honestly for the non fussy i think lubing is optional now

i still lube all my switches because i like to do it once and have them be good forever, but that's also a lot of time spend for 1-5% gain if that and average person might not even notice the tiny change lol

[random hull]

can i do it without putting on the entire plate etc

oh god i dont have a spacebar

lol

[tawdry tree]

yeah, just the switch in the pcb

[chilly mural]

If the goal of the layout is to save the space for the mousepad, I guess they're successful about it. My hand are more centered on my mousepad because of the extra key my 80he cut

[tawdry tree]

wait what?

[random hull]

yeah i need wooting to send me a 4.5U

cause their module doesnt work with my set

[tawdry tree]

ohhhh

[random hull]

jeez am i stuck now

[tawdry tree]

LOL

[random hull]

ugh

[tawdry tree]

have fun in your keycapless life brother

[random hull]

:/ ffs

[flat cobalt]

[tawdry tree]

haha

do you have a keycap set?

[random hull]

yeah

[fallen pecan]

bro touch typing without keycaps

[tawdry tree]

which?

[mint burrow]

where do i buy gateron jade pros in uk? aliexpress?

[random hull]

i mean, i got keycaps, blame wooting for making some new standard

[worthy rover]

ah I see, I'll just go with the flow then but I will go for painters tape mod

[tawdry tree]

haha, Calder explained it in the stream.

[random hull]

did he

[tawdry tree]

yeah it was accidental

[glacial wind]

i will say the ttc switches were the easiest to open for lubing. They just click open with barely any force on the switch opener. Normally my hand gets a bit sore opening 90 switches but the clip design they use is really nice

[tawdry tree]

and the standerd was illogical which is why they ended up with the wrong distances

[random hull]

but yeah i cant use it

so i cant test

[flat cobalt]

No extra space bar underneath?

[tawdry tree]

does it include other space bar caps, like 1.25U or 2U?

[random hull]

nope

[flat cobalt]

Wow that’s surprising.

[random hull]

not 4.5u

[tawdry tree]

sadge

[random hull]

just 6.25 and 7

idk what to do now

[tawdry tree]

you can use RShift of 65% if it includes that

it’s a 1.75U key and you can flip it so it feels somewhat okay for spacebar

[random hull]

not seeing an7thing that matches the size tbh

[tawdry tree]

nothing matches the size but a smaller one

smaller keycap

maybe your set just includes enough for a TKL JIS layout?

do you have numpad keys?

[random hull]

i do

[tawdry tree]

could use Numpad 0 and flip it, as a temporary spacebar

it’s smaller but it’s something

😂😭

[random hull]

yea this doesnt work sadly

theres no way to get anything of value out of this test

i dont know how to tell if the wire is good or not

[tawdry tree]

it’s alright. to test the wire you need a fitting keycap so you can do it when Woot’s 4.5U one arrives

did you lube the other stabs already?

[random hull]

nope

[tawdry tree]

you can do that in the mean time

[random hull]

yeah true

[tawdry tree]

check their wires as well

[random hull]

did you say i should dip it into the 205g0 the angled part of it, wire i mean

or just use brush

[tawdry tree]

the tip of the angled part only

brush the housing and stem

[random hull]

so something like this?

with the brush?

[tawdry tree]

that you can dip into lube

[random hull]

oh only that much, okay

[tawdry tree]

then

lemme see if I can find a pic

[random hull]

as for the wire, if i find one side (up or down) to be more balanced than the other, would i have the balanced side up or down towards the pcb

[tawdry tree]

you can do it while holding it

bend the sides together if that makes sense?

[random hull]

i feel like they're probably fine but im looking for problems, like if i put it flat on my phone and im tapping it then im hearing something. but its probably not actually going to be an issue

this shift one is so short what are the odds of it actually not being fine, and its the knights v2 one too

just dont have much experience to go by with this stuff

[tawdry tree]

if it’s minor it doesn’t matter.

[tawdry tree]

it really depends but all my SW wires were pretty much good enough

[random hull]

alright

i tihnk ill just roll with it

it cant be that bad

for example if i take my 7u wire from the sw knight set and i pressure one side, i can look underneath the other when its on my phone

lol

maybe this 4.5u one lifts 0.1mm

id rather have nothing, but i dont trust myself to fix that one

[tawdry tree]

most people don’t even balance their wires

[tawdry tree]

you can use a light behind it and look from the side

it makes it a lot easier to see

but again, the more minor it is, the less it matters.

[random hull]

didnt stop before the angle but is that a decent enough amount

yeah im gonna just use it the way it is, i strongly feel ill make things worse. maybe the lube fixes the noise a bit too so it'll even out

[quiet bay]

Ye thats good

[random hull]

great thanks

can i overlube the wire too or is it hard to do too much on that

[stone flax]

ya

[tawdry tree]

you can overlube anything but you have the good amount

[random hull]

can i test these without a spacebar cap btw

[magic walrus]

anyone got sound test from lekker 60 v2

[random hull]

this was for spacebar

[stone flax]

yeah

[tawdry tree]

you sort of can but it’ll be difficult to tell

[random hull]

if i pull it up by the stem then it doesnt fall back into place

feel like i did too much lol

it doesnt have the weight of a switch or spacebar on it though, maybe that will sort it out

[steel hemlock]

Sorry if I’m bringing up an old subject I just got curious because was looking at more budget oriented HE boards for a Christmas gift-

I currently have a MAD68 HE with the pro switches on hand, so I’m just curious as to what you mean because I don’t understand

[tawdry tree]

That’s normal

[random hull]

alright cool 🫡

[valid plover]

Uhmm one of the screws broke

How do i take this out now .-.

[tawdry tree]

pliers

[valid plover]

its way too small

fine tip one ig?

[glacial wind]

TLDR is it’s quite inaccurate in its settings, particularly at the very low sensitive options and has a huge deadzone at the bottom of the switch

[austere creek]

what the

[glacial wind]

For the price though I don’t think it’s the worst thing since you’re only paying $20 or so, just that performance wise it’s no where near the accuracy and consistency of the top he boards

[valid plover]

fk it i just bought a tofu redux and ill remove the screw once i get a fine tip pliers

[random hull]

uhh i think i fucked this one up. it doesnt come up at all with a key on it

[glacial wind]

Is it level and in the holes properly?

[random hull]

im kind of struggling seeing the holes properly. in a vid it said theres one side with 2 holes and it should face the direction the wire goes in

but on these i just can not see it

[boreal root]

so the higher rapid trigger is the better

the keypickup?

the better the latency or something?

[glacial wind]

I mean more is it sitting flush into the pcb properly

[random hull]

yeah its even to the pcb

[valid plover]

the wire isnt in the right hole i think

the stem shouldnt be poking out like that

[steel hemlock]

You mentioned the switch specifically, does it have potential if switched out for better switches? I would’ve blamed the board before the switches when it comes to a cheap board like that

[random hull]

i pulled it up in that pic to get a better view

[steel hemlock]

Overall tho for what I paid for it, really impressed with the quality

I don’t support direct clones of a product, but for those who don’t have wooting money it’s honestly not bad at all

[glacial wind]

the board performs better with the non pro switches, I think it just has issues with calibration

and the non pro is 4mm

[valid plover]

o wait the otherway around

[steel hemlock]

Interesting

Thank you

[valid plover]

wrong hole either way i think

[stone flax]

make sure right hole

https://youtu.be/6Yz-UzTY8_I?feature=shared

or any of these

[random hull]

ill check it, ty

nvm not even gonna say what i did wrong, dumbest shit ever

rofl

[stone flax]

What u do wrong

[random hull]

didnt put the switch in 😹

so smart

[glossy pagoda]

[tropic urchin]

W stabs

Going from plastic clip ons to knight V2s is like going from a 5 yr old plastic car to a Ferrari 😭

[random hull]

i just hope i did enough lube tbh its gonna suck when it turns out i was too stingy

[tropic urchin]

If you do overlube it give it some time before panicking as it should even out at some point

But hopefully your stabs are perfect

[random hull]

haha thanks

yeay hope so 😛

[glacial wind]

You’re probably good. Knights barely need any lube

[random hull]

im terrible with this stuff so if i have to go back in i wont be too excited

[tropic urchin]

I hope I won’t, that JST cable was tough to hook in 😭

[random hull]

rofl not looking forward to that one

[stone flax]

?

[random hull]

lets not talk about it

were there screws in these too, i forgot

[tropic urchin]

I was wondering about this too, but I didn’t see any for some of the teardown videos I saw while putting mine together

[stray tiger]

@tropic urchin so how does the final board sound?

[tropic urchin]

My frankenswitches I’m not super in love with, they’re more muted sounding than I anticipated and sound kinda similar to the black knights (idk how), but I’m waiting for the Jade pros to arrive which I will be using

I do LOVE the zinc + screw in stabs

Those clip ins were not it 😭

Here’s a test I did last night @stray tiger

[tawdry tree]

No. Just some alignment pins.

[stray tiger]

Agree on the muted sound from the switches. Looking forward to hearing the Jade Pros. Loving the way the board looks though! Take some pro photos and let's get it tagged on the Wooting IG!

[tropic urchin]

I’m gonna get my nacho mouse and try to get a combination photo

[chilly mural]

yeeey

[tropic urchin]

Here’s the RGB I decided to stick with @stray tiger

Has some shine thru but the color combo works for the gemstone colors

[stray tiger]

Can you try a solid light yellow? Im curious how it would play on the gold accents

[tropic urchin]

I’ll experiment more with some RGBs when I get home and get some different screenshots

Yellow might not work with Jade pros since it might be light enough to look green ish

But then again straight jade green doesn’t look bad with it

[stray tiger]

Oh yeah I forgot about the jade tinted color. Good point

[tropic urchin]

But so far I’ve been really impressed with the feel compared to my Azoth

I didn’t realize how cooked it actually was

[chilly mural]

And wooting cooked something good

[tropic urchin]

I thought I liked the aluminum build of my Azoth, but the zinc knocked it out of the park

It’s as heavy as a thick slab of zinc and as light as a carefully crafted sculpture when you pick it up fully

Light bar is also kinda fun to play with

[chilly mural]

light bar needs more feature

it's like 1 inch from becoming something that makes the $200 worth

for me at least

[stray tiger]

Then you'll be happy to know more features are coming!

[tropic urchin]

Yeah lightbar seems like it’s still very early on so I’m excited for what the team has cooked up 👀

I kinda miss seeing the time off a quick keyboard glance, but it was a worthy sacrifice for salvation

[chilly mural]

Speaking of that, it makes me wanna add a small 10 inch screen under my monitor

[ionic breach]

someone mentioned in a comment that imagine that the 80he can play snake using the keyboard's leds and arrow keys for directions

would be sick if it was possible

[polar girder]

My favorite RGB feature is OFF

[polar girder]

lol nice

[random hull]

so next I want to lube my geon raws, does it matter if I bag lube switches and leave them in there for a while. It will take me several days to lube the housings and I dont know if I should take them out of the bag immediately after I finish the shaking 🙈

[young lantern]

im assuming you mean springs and yes you can leave them as far as i know

[random hull]

alright, yeah just wanted to make sure that i dont mess it up somehow

i also dont really know if 90 springs at once may be a bit too much lol

@tawdry tree I found the part of Calder talking about the 4.5U spacebar thing in the steam lol. I already tuned out by then cause I thought it would not get an update 😛 it was the very last minute it seems

appreciate the heads up on that. I would not have known lol

[tawdry tree]

they can tangle up a bit, you can do 45/45.

do you have oil for springs?

[random hull]

i did get some 105g yeah

105g.. something

[tawdry tree]

yeah that’s it

[random hull]

45, alright, good ill settle for that

[tawdry tree]

just throw the springs in a bag and add a few drops of 105

[random hull]

does it matter how much, like some are saying 1 drop per 10 springs etc, do i need to be that specific

[tawdry tree]

I did 2 drops per 10 I think but 5 drops for 45 should be enough.

[random hull]

alright sounds good thanks 👍

[marsh saffron]

I did 2 per 10 springs

And only did 10 springs at a time

[random hull]

ill have to explore how much of that switch I really want to be bothering to lube up too, for example its my first time doing this and I will probably minimize the chances of overlubing if I only do the top housing. at the same time I feel that once I am at it anyway, I might aswell.. like all these videos that are talking about lubed switches, how much did they really do, you know?

I see, so even 2 new drops if it was a reused bag?

keeping it at 2 is probably a good idea to get all of them properly. do you like just shake it for 30 seconds like in the videos? and rub them around a bit

[marsh saffron]

I did yeah

[random hull]

I see, good to know. May take that approach too then

[split dagger]

my first ever custom build!!!

• neo65
• hmx butter lubed switches
• lubed stabs
• Drop DCX white on black keycaps
• gasket mounted
• POM plate

im so happy with it

[tidal frigate]

Cool

[young lantern]

@harsh dove raws + pom sounds too good

coming from alu the pom adds fullness/body

[polar girder]

https://divinikey.com/products/swagkeys-knight-stabilizers

Back in stock PSA

no long pole tho

Good shipping for USA

[young lantern]

@polar girder forgot to ask did you ever have rt issues with the black knights

on my wooting avr my w would stop activating when i would walk after awhile on cs/val even when i changed switches

it went away when i went to raws again

[stray tiger]

Did you change your RT points when you switched between the switches?

[hybrid cairn]

What do you guys consider to be the best stabs for the 80he? i saw someone recommend the TX AP Stabilizers and called them almost perfect but i wanted to know what you guys think

[topaz bobcat]

so what's the best switches for gaming? jade pros?

[stray tiger]

the AP in TX Ap stands for Almost Perfect. As for if they are the best, there is no way to answer that as its preference. I really like the stock stabs once tuned up.

[stray tiger]

There is no best. Only preference

[topaz bobcat]

well, I always loved my neopolitan icecream (almost like mx browns), I was wondering if there are similar ones for magnetic

[polar girder]

No why

Oh I see

Nah

I’ve only had open bottom or 4.0mm switches tho

So idk

[polar girder]

What’s makes a switch good for gaming?

[stray tiger]

No there is nothing

[polar girder]

One might argue all HE switches are good for gaming (so long as magnet strength is well controlled)

[topaz bobcat]

I'm researching about the jade switches, there's the pro and the gaming variation, I don't know which to get

[stray tiger]

Unfortunately we can't answer that for you. It comes down to feel, sound, looks and you'll have to test those yourself. What is it about the Lekkers that came with your board that you dont like?

[polar girder]

Gaming is just a sales pitch

HE are primarily gaming switches FWIW

[hybrid cairn]

ahh gotchu, i didnt know there could be prefrence as ngl i am pretty new to the whole modding thing and though stabs served only to eliminated ratle and yknow, stabilize, could i ask what the differences are btwn diff stabs?

also i knew the AP stood for almost perfect, i meant someone said that they described the almost perfects as literally almost perfect, i shouldve clarified

[stray tiger]

Not a ton of differences between them. They all serve the same purpose and do it in the same way (with the exception of norbauer stabs). Even the most expensive stabs can sound bad if not properly lubed/tuned and the cheapst can sound amazing after tuning/lubing.

[hybrid cairn]

i see, uh, why are norbauer stabs different? also by tuning did you mean that theres more than js lubing them, installing them, and screwing them in not to tightly?

[stray tiger]

Yes, there are other mods you can do to stabs to help them sound better if yours do not sound good to you after lubing. Could be as simple as making sure your stabilizer wires are perfectly straight.

You can start here #🪛│modding_faq message

[hybrid cairn]

i see, very interesting

[hybrid cairn]

my discord js bugged out after you send this lmaooooo

[stray tiger]

Just look for the Modding FAQ link right above this channel on the left bar

[hybrid cairn]

yessir

ok i have read the thingy

ill look out for those thhings

[hybrid cairn]

what was that thing about the norbauer stabs being diff though?

[stray tiger]

https://ryan.norbauer.com/journal/the-stabilizer-problem/

[hybrid cairn]

i am " " this close to getting an Ai to summarize all that for me

[hybrid cairn]

okay so long story short with the power of engineering, cad, and an absolute gigaton of neurons all working together they and some other people designed the "perfect" stabilizer that was simply too difficult to become a consumer product and therefore is not selling it

yes?

[stray tiger]

He sells it with his own keyboards and may eventually offer them for sell without his keyboards but they will be ungodly expensive

[hybrid cairn]

i assume each of his keyboards are like

high hundreds if not thousands

right?

[hybrid cairn]

welp

thats uh

something

each stab is gna be like 200+ usd 💀

bespoke service is very interesting for a keyboard though

maybe if im filthy rich one day ill get one lmao

anyways

back to normal stabs

[hybrid cairn]

so there arent many difference between them and serve the same purpose, and if the purpose is to stabilize and not rattle, yet there is prefrence involved, what do most people have a prefrence with?

like what are the catagories?

id assume most people js want to have the least rattle and smoothest up and down

[stray tiger]

Their preference is usually based on whatever they saw from an influencer.

[hybrid cairn]

i

see

lmfao

i was wondering how something objective like rattle and smooth up and down had prefrences

[marsh saffron]

Starting at 3500????

Is that the keyboard you and cam were looking at but ended up not picking up?

That was like 3700$

[hybrid cairn]

is there nothing considered to have the least rattle and smoothest up and down? i plan on getting a lubing service to js lube em for me then js mod (if needed) and install myself

[random hull]

some of these painters tape give a specific date of clean removal, is this at all something to consider with thought of getting no residue on the pcb at any time, or is that just for painting purposes

[high sphinx]

Hey guys can a warped spacebar keycap cause ticking on one side of the keyboard ?

[hybrid cairn]

idk what exactly you mean by ticking but if its warped enough and hitting the pcb / walls of the case then yeah it can

[high sphinx]

Ok ty

[crystal pagoda]

yes

[high sphinx]

@crystal pagoda ok ty man i have abs keycaps now but i ordered a new set a week ago already i am curious if that will fix it also relubed the wire and i tried to balance it it seemed even on a surface so maybe the new keycaps will fix it and otherwise i will try other stabs any reccomandations ? I was thinking tx long pole

[stone flax]

did u actually check if the spacebar is warped?

[high sphinx]

@stone flax it is a tiny bit i put it on my phone and it wiggled a tiny bit

[stone flax]

is it pbt?

[high sphinx]

Nope abs but i ordered a pbt set

[lean hawk]

where do yall find switches for a wooting pcb (i heard not all are compatible)

and recommendations too lol, looking into it

[knotty iron]

do we know if the friction fit pad will be a separtate tiem we can get from the wooting store or will be buy it through support standalone?

[marsh saffron]

Geonworks raw HE, gateron jade pros, ttc magneto pom/rgb are the "top" options I know of

There's also sticky rice v2

[young lantern]

mj designer studios or tx ap for plate mount

i have both rn

[jaunty olive]

Can I somehow make wooting 80he sound creamy?

What should be the best switches to do it tho

[marsh saffron]

Yeah, pour some heavy whipping cream under the pcb

[jaunty olive]

Lube the switches or buy gateron jade prelubed will help too?

[marsh saffron]

Hand lubing is always better

[jaunty olive]

But the gateron jade will have better sound for that? Because only compatible is jade and ks-20 from gateron?

And stock

[hybrid cairn]

lubing always sounds better unless you explicitly dont like the sound of lubed switches

in which case ur kind odd

[random hull]

do ya'll always lube each part top/bottom, in the wooting vid they said for basic the top is enough

[marsh saffron]

Don't buy the og jades(the ones from wootings website)

But creamy is just some stupid buzzword

"creamy" switches don't exist

Most "creamy" boards I see just sound overlubed

If you want good sounding switches you can try geon raw HE, or gateron jade pros

[marsh saffron]

Up to you

[hybrid cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgKJIMyz9kI&list=PLb-rq8GR9lI2mTmAX-OkWK17nsxDTgNLD

this is probably the greatest "creamy" board i have and will ever heard for refrence

[stone flax]

preference

[marsh saffron]

Bag lubing springs is really all you need to do

Doing housing and stuff isn't entirely necessary

[calm pulsar]

oh no

[stone flax]

hahahahahah

ahahahahaha

[calm pulsar]

not the shoosh video

[stone flax]

haahahaahha

ahahahaaha

ahaahaha

aahahha

aahaha

[calm pulsar]

😭

[hybrid cairn]

./j

the delay on that fckn msg actually cucked me so hard

wth

sigh

welp im cursed now

[knotty iron]

stabilizer recommendations?

[hybrid cairn]

TX AP or SW Knights are recommended usually

[random hull]

i see. okay good to know. guess ill do a few and get a feel

[knotty iron]

raw he

i am using them

are the adaptive stabs good

the ones by designerstudio

also my spacebar has a ton of back forth wobble

[cedar gate]

Does anyone know a red black coiled cable compatible with tachyon mode

[crystal pagoda]

Lmao

[hybrid cairn]

ive been cursed by my "./j" msg being delayed and am now cursed lmfao

everything i touch will now immediately be covered in 15 lbs of lube and theres nothing than can be done

[crystal pagoda]

creamy

[hybrid cairn]

its like midas' touch but lube

everywhere

it encapsulates

everything

you press a key

itll come back up

15 business days later

if at all

[fluid ravine]

not this vid

[polar girder]

SO CREAMY

LOLZ

[novel holly]

https://torontokeyboardman.ca/collections/accessories/products/wooting-80he-modding-kit anyone tried this?

[hybrid cairn]

i tried to say ./j man the delay screwed me 😭😭

[calm pulsar]

lol i've seen those packs on aliexpress with the same designs

[novel holly]

link?

[calm pulsar]

keyboard fun store

[jade storm]

https://github.com/cafali/SnapKey

[fluid ravine]

@calm pulsar board still staying flexy no matter what ;-;

fyi friction pad, no case foam, silicone standoff cover in use

[calm pulsar]

plastic plate?

[fluid ravine]

nope cf plate

[calm pulsar]

wow

[fluid ravine]

surprised me out of nowhere

i did not expect that

im trying to do a sound test

and once i start doing the flex test as usual i didn't really expect any bounce nor flex at all so i just pressed down on the H key

then that's when i noticed

[calm pulsar]

looking forward to full sound test

[fluid ravine]

well board is 1000% not at it's best sound configuration right now comparing to all of my other sound tests ofc but will be trying my best to get some stuff to probably help to get what I want out of my board

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1314024856203034715

unsure if I want to get a plastic plate first like POM or PP or go straight to ALU

[hybrid cairn]

@fluid ravine hiya, sorry to bother you and the ping but youre the most knowledgeable guy i know so again sry bout the ping. I wanted to ask about a PE foam mod on top of the pcb? i heard that it wasnt recommended on HE boards cause it can mess up the tuning of the board and cause it not to work as intended but this is moreso on what the mod does. on average ive been told that adding that PE foam mod on normal boards makes it sound "poppy" and "louder" to some and im trying to figure out why that is. foam to my knowledge dampens noise so best i can come up with is that it dampens some frequencies but not others making it feel louder to thosee sensitive to certain frequencies but im mainly confused as to where the pop sound comes from. im js failing to understand it at all. i know sound in general comes from the switch being pressed but to my knowledge the switch doesnt make contact with the pcb and therefore shouldnt make contact with the PE foam. is the "pop" sound js an illusion of the one type of frequency that isnt dampened as much or does it come from the press somehow interacting with the foam physically and making a popping noise, sorry if this question is too much ik i typed a lot, tysm in advance!

[stone arch]

thats strange, basically the exact same setup but i dont have nearly asmuch flex as that

[stone flax]

pe foam on pcb 😴

idk it been a thing since the jelly epoch

[polar girder]

Should I do it?

I think I want more foam

Just need actual foam not some weird film

Can’t wait for good quiet switches and then foam delete

[glacial wind]

Half the people who do pe foam mod seem to have issues with their he accuracy after

[polar girder]

RIP

Yeah I refuse to compromise performance

[glacial wind]

yeah it seems like a really silly mod to be doing for he board. I’m not even convinced the people who say they didn’t have issues aren’t actually having sensor issues that they didn’t notice

[polar girder]

lol ok

Yeah nothing between PCB and switch seems fair

Ok fiiiine

I’m moving on

https://tenor.com/view/homer-ausente-disimula-silba-whistle-gif-12277994

Me waiting for better switch

[crystal pagoda]

Nothing in switch either

[knotty iron]

Jed, how much experience do you have with clip in and screw in stab modding?

[stone arch]

which switches have the least wobble that arnt boxes atm

[hybrid cairn]

geon raws

[glacial wind]

What you mean by modding?

[hybrid cairn]

whyre u against boxes tho

[stone flax]

U just want the board to sound like nothing right, like quiet and deep as possible

[glacial wind]

Jade pros

[stone flax]

Dont fill the board to the brim with foam

[polar girder]

lol well I only have plate foam and kilmat for case rn

I’m just bad switch copium rn tho

[hybrid cairn]

did jade pros beat out the geon raws in stem wobble? really?

[polar girder]

It’s fiiiinnee

[stone arch]

@glacial wind i have jades rn, how much better is the wobble on the pros

[stone flax]

if the foam isnt spread out or porous enough but instead packed then sound has nowhere to be lost into and instead is just bounced fully back so

maybe try polyfill or smth

[knotty iron]

trying out different stabilizers (screw in/clip in), and modifying them, lube, poron or teflon pads, grease, etc

[polar girder]

Yeah I tried that before

Thanks tho

[stone flax]

just get good stabs now

[glacial wind]

Yeah it’s measured, but only on bottom wobble and only an almost unnoticeable amount

[stone flax]

this isnt durock screw in days where tolerances are cheeks and people cram bandaids into their stabs

lol

[glacial wind]

Most of those mods are pointless now with latest gen stabs

[tropic urchin]

Forever Knight V2 stan

[stone flax]

adaptive stabs as a whole are OP

paigu, jwk, knight

[glacial wind]

Regular jades? Pros and raw he are one step up from that

[polar girder]

Oh fk

I’m already irrelevant

[hybrid cairn]

impressive, at that point ig its js a sound diff then though

you know why that guy was against box switches?

[glacial wind]

probably hates the friction of the box stem

[knotty iron]

i was worried that the adaptive mechanism would break after some use, it looks kinda flimsy

[stone flax]

Adaptive stabs get better with time imo

Felt kinda dead and rubbery when i first used my sets of knight

but give lube and time they sound so nice

[polar girder]

Oh it’s not a gif

RIP

[knotty iron]

the red part looks so thin

[knotty iron]

it looks like it could easily break

[polar girder]

Don’t fist fuck your keyboard and it’s probably fine

[stone flax]

Not really, its a flexible material most of the time

[knotty iron]

silicone like?

[stone flax]

Like silicone? It is silicone

[polar girder]

Damn bro now I want

[knotty iron]

oh it is

[hybrid cairn]

ah boxes have a friction increase? by how much? bad question ngl so nvm, is it like the jade maxes being made of pc completely kind of friction or worse than them? and does it impact gaming performance at all?

[knotty iron]

does it need any lube or nah

[glacial wind]

It depends on the design tolerance. Some box stems are worse than others and upper overall tolerance matters a lot

[stone flax]

All stabs improve with lube, but id go so far as to say that yikb’s or knights i could use without

but still lube them lul

[glacial wind]

that and box stems tend to be higher pitched sound in he too, which isn’t everyone’s cup of tea

[polar girder]

Chosfox X JWK Adaptive Elastic Structure Stabilizer Set

Should I buy that instead then?

Skip the SK Knights?

That I bought clear and black of and never installed

[stone flax]

Same molds that designer studio/durock/a ton of other ones probably come from

[polar girder]

Right yeah prob. They just have black lol

[knotty iron]

also wanted to mention that I do hit my keys relatively hard when gaming (harder than average) are you sure it would still be ok or am I better off getting a different set of stabs

[hybrid cairn]

gocha, i js found out about the Everglide Rice Puddings and the Latnenpow Deng God which both sounded on the lower end when lubed and were all box stems, do you know about em? i was thinking of getting them for the 80he but idk their tolerances / friction, compatibility, qc, etc...

[glacial wind]

Yeah they both suck

[hybrid cairn]

understood, there go my thoccy dreams

[polar girder]

Bro is not the stabilizer warranty department

[glacial wind]

Wobbly box stems that feel awful

[stone arch]

box stem AND wobbly? 🤮

[glacial wind]

the less tight the box stem the more you’re going to feel that box stem move on the switch housing

[hybrid cairn]

ahhh mann, i was really hoping that i finally found a not so wobbly, rgb non dyeing, and thoccier switch for peak gaming

[hybrid cairn]

i didnt even know you could have a wobbly box stem, i thought that was the whole point of them lmao

[stone arch]

starting to feel like thocky and wooting just dont go together

[glacial wind]

Their bottom out is stable but problem is there is top wobble too and they aren’t all super close tolerance

[hybrid cairn]

ive known since the start but i dont wna accept it

im tryna find every alternative

[glacial wind]

Honestly just give up

[hybrid cairn]

thought jade maxes would finally be it but not only are they not thocky, they suck ahh cause both the stem and the housing is the same material

[glacial wind]

Thock doesn’t exist in HE. Not the way people mean anyway

[hybrid cairn]

i dont wanna 😭

[hybrid cairn]

it will one day, it has toooo 😭

[knotty iron]

it doesn't

[hybrid cairn]

maybe not now, but the future (im coping so hard please)

[knotty iron]

thock is basically a marketing buzzword to get people to buy more switches

[hybrid cairn]

i js want a deeper sound man

[glacial wind]

Even if the sticky rice v2 weren’t kind of bad tolerances, it’s sound is still not really that thocky

[knotty iron]

probably will not get any deeper or muted than jade pros for a while

sorry :(

[hybrid cairn]

jade pros are muted?

[hybrid cairn]

😭

[knotty iron]

well more than the jades

[hybrid cairn]

man

[knotty iron]

sorry bro

[hybrid cairn]

jades dye rgb too

which is really bad

for white light

[knotty iron]

Does screw in or clip in affect HE performance or not really

[glacial wind]

Just give up and cure yourself by going the full opposite. Ttc magneto rgb with zero thock and 100% high pitched clack

[hybrid cairn]

i dont like high pitched sounds very much tho, also arent magentos also box stems

[stone arch]

so are jade pros kinda the "best" performance switch rn?

[glacial wind]

Yeah but they’re tight box stems that seem fine for feel

[hybrid cairn]

marginally less wobble, can handle 0.1mm actuation iirc, so yeah i think so

[knotty iron]

both that and the geon raw hes are nice

[hybrid cairn]

low friction?

[glacial wind]

Would be ttc magneto pom/rgb if you mean just stability etc. but the sound is not for most

[stone arch]

dont really care about sound just pure performance

[glacial wind]

Basically the box stem on them is very tight so you don’t get much of that box stem wobbling in housing feel

[hybrid cairn]

so its a low wobble, low friction somehow, high pitched (frick)

[glacial wind]

yeah. Although I still recommend geon raw he or Jade pros to most folk because the sound is reaaaally clacky

[hybrid cairn]

fair

i heard the KOM ver

pretty clacky

[glacial wind]

Like it literally sounds similar to dropping small pebbles on Marble when I’m typing

Very loud and clacky

[hybrid cairn]

satisfying

but

would get annoying fast

ah wait hol on brb parent needs help

[stone arch]

whats really the diff between jade pros and geon raw he's

[glacial wind]

Jade pros have a tinted housing and are a tad pricier

So generally people recommend geon raw he over them due to the price difference

[knotty iron]

I can say the same, been using em for a while and they are really nice switches (Raw HE)

[polar girder]

Yeah I feel like Jade pros would be a nice upgrade

I just CBA

[stone arch]

ill prob try jade pros then, i have normal jades and like them bu the wobble bothers me. its alittle too much

[glacial wind]

What are you using now?

[polar girder]

Black knight

[glacial wind]

Ah ew

[knotty iron]

they are maracas

[paper parrot]

what switches are more on the muted side? don't like clack too much

[polar girder]

lol

[glacial wind]

If you don’t care about sound and want max stability the ttc magneto rgb/pom are worth looking at

[polar girder]

Ok Clacky McClackerton

[glacial wind]

But be warned they are super super loud clack lol

[polar girder]

What really?

Oh fk

Nvm

lol

But actually

I’m tempted

[stone arch]

ya im looking at sound test now, and even tho i dont care to much about sound they are too clacky for me lol

[glacial wind]

Probably just the stock lekker v2/1.5 honestly

[polar girder]

My keyboard switches are the reason I’m only 10k premier

[glacial wind]

Yep that’s why I don’t easily recommend them to folks even though I use them myself lol

[sacred elm]

lekkers are kinda muted first week or two, then they become weirdly clacky

[glacial wind]

People are not ready for that level of loud clack

[polar girder]

You have a sound test posted?

[sacred elm]

they arent deep at all

[polar girder]

lol it’s that egregious?

[sacred elm]

they suck ahh

[glacial wind]

I tried posting one but every mic I use doesn’t show the clack as much

[polar girder]

Oh right

I remember you saying that

[stone arch]

@glacial wind what exactly is the jade gaming switch?

[polar girder]

I mean I like the idea of the best performing and most stable switch tho

[polar girder]

A scam

[sacred elm]

dog switches

[stone arch]

just a box jade that sucks?

[sacred elm]

well it doesnt suck actually

but sound is mid

[glacial wind]

It’s like just barely below the ttc magneto pom/rgb in stability. So very stable switches

The sound is a bit higher pitched than regular jade/jade pro though

[polar girder]

What’s the stability aspect? Magnet accuracy or something

[stone arch]

iv personally never used a box switch i just hear you can feel the friction so i stay away from them.

[glacial wind]

Mix of magnet tolerance and wobble of the stem

[hollow dagger]

Just sharing how my 60he sounds right now. Guess I'm content with how it sounds atm.

[glacial wind]

It becomes more important if your keyboard starts to allow things like 0.05 rt for example

[polar girder]

Right

[glacial wind]

because once you go lower sub 0.1 any switch wobble makes the hyper sensitive settings unusable

[polar girder]

Yeah ok I’m intrigued

[glacial wind]

Not an issue in wooting just yet, although I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they play around with allowing sub 0.1 stuff

[sacred elm]

Cant wait to use 0.02 rapid trigger with lekker v1s

goated switches🔥

[polar girder]

Yeah and I’ll probably get the next 60 PCB

So I’m down for evolution in performance

[glacial wind]

I do like the almost no movement of my switches with the ttc magneto pom though

reminds me so much of the old lekker x raptor frankenswitch, except minus the artificial tightness feel

[stone arch]

what would be your next choice for the least movement?

[glacial wind]

Jade pros if I wasn’t going box stems

[stone arch]

jade gaming if u do include box stems?

maybe i will try box stems if wobble is the thing that bothers me most

[glacial wind]

yeah jade gaming or regular ttc magneto would be the step below magneto pom/rgb

[stone flax]

geon raw pro he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[glacial wind]

But honestly all the box stems are high pitched even the jade gaming are a tad higher pitched than regular jades

So you gotta be prepared for the pitch lol

[knotty iron]

max plus premium

[stone arch]

still not as clacky as those magneto's though lol

[fallen pecan]

this is the closest i could find, but it's even louder in person: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AJx4eKEqt/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=118f763ce5a6b54620f556bde4a4124c&t=421

regular magnetos

[stone arch]

alright ima get the jade gaming! ty for the info

[glacial wind]

Yeah for whatever reason the sound profile of most mics hides the loudness of the clack in ttc magnetos. They’re so much louder in person lol

[marsh saffron]

Raw gaming xTreme HE clears

[crystal pagoda]

jade pro, raw he

why tf do people bother with a super mega deadzone stable sigma skibidi switch when it feels and sounds like poop

[glacial wind]

He said his priority is stability and doesn’t care much about sound

Feel wise the ttc are fine honestly. I’ve had no weird box stem friction issues with my poms

[knotty iron]

do clip ins or screw ins affect HE performance even if they both hypothetically barely wobble?

[glacial wind]

no

[knotty iron]

so it's just preference at that point

[glacial wind]

It’s just pcb mounted stabs tend to be less rattly

You can still tune plate mounted stabs to be solid though, if you have good ones that is

[knotty iron]

Are TX AP 1.6mm (plate/pcb) both good implementations? anyone tried the adaptive ones (plate/PCB)?

[glacial wind]

they’re okay. They were popular before knight v2 become the it stabs

I have both tx and knight v2 in my boards right now

[knotty iron]

another thing I wanted to ask, similar to jade max and jade pro, does it matter if the stem and housings are transparent or not?

[glacial wind]

just for rgb and sound

[crystal pagoda]

what

[glacial wind]

Different materials will be slightly different tones

[crystal pagoda]

watch out for using some pcb mount stabs on a stock wooting plate

[glacial wind]

But that’s it, performance wise there shouldn’t be a difference if you mean he sensor stuff

[unborn pilot]

i need some help picking out some keycaps for my wooting i am going with a Tofu60 Redux case and i have a black, white, and blue setup anyone got recomendations for keycaps?

[crystal pagoda]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

go ham

[knotty iron]

I used WS v3.1 1.6mm but I don't think those were it man, they fit but they rattle, tried relubing multiple times

[unborn pilot]

thank you

[crystal pagoda]

the ws stupid stabs kinda suck

[knotty iron]

dang

[crystal pagoda]

with exception to stupids but those are just paigu/maiz lol

[glacial wind]

Honestly probably improper tuning

[crystal pagoda]

both implementations

[crystal pagoda]

for the price theyre horrible

[glacial wind]

While the stupids are not as good as knights you should still be able to get them tuned though

[crystal pagoda]

more rattly than dollar clip ins

stupids =/= ws stabs v2-v3

those are genuinely just not worth the price

[glacial wind]

He probably didn’t balance the wire or use thicker lube

Yeah I’m not talking price

I’m just saying tubing wise you can 100% get them working well even if they’re not the recommended buy

[crystal pagoda]

ive used both v2 and v2.1, the rattle was unsolvable until i went heavy and i mean heavy with grease

[polar girder]

We talking the best

[knotty iron]

I used the wooting lubricant, 205G0 for the housing, and EM-50L on the wire

[crystal pagoda]

like i genuinely believe the wire diameter was off

[polar girder]

Should I buy adaptive over knights?

[crystal pagoda]

because they just did not play well with the housings

[glacial wind]

did you balance the wire?

[crystal pagoda]

which is hilarious considering the fact that silicone/tpu implementation should reduce wire rattle

[sacred elm]

aerobrake you dont return your board anymore?

[knotty iron]

yep, had to use the geon stem twisters a bit but they are balanced

[knotty iron]

i did, im waiting for them to answer, when I get an answer from wooting I will take my switches and stabs out and put the stock ones back

[crystal pagoda]

used a different wire in a same stab housing, sounded right. used the same wire in a diff stab housing and it sounded fine

it genuinely felt like a mismatch with how the wires were just too small for the housings and theyd rattle until an obnoxious amount of grease was introduced

idk if v3 fixes that tho

[glacial wind]

Just use the magical cure for all stab wires in older stabs. Xht bdz

[stone arch]

knight v2's are the best stabs rn?

[crystal pagoda]

eh.. why do that when they literally offer stupids for the same cost

that one u can literally just slap 205g0 and done in some instances

[glacial wind]

Probably them and typeplus ones

There’s the new designer studio pcb mount ones too now

but I haven’t tried the designer studio PCB mount ones yet

[crystal pagoda]

knights for feel, yikb's for stability imo

[polar girder]

Man if I finally put my knights on and adaptive stabs are better I’m going to cry

[glacial wind]

?

[crystal pagoda]

theyre not imo

[fluid ravine]

check dms

[crystal pagoda]

other way around

[glacial wind]

Yeah why would you be worried about knight v2 lol

They’re great

[crystal pagoda]

knights and knight v2 especially clear

tbh

[polar girder]

Clear v2 better than black?

[crystal pagoda]

nah theyre just different colors

[polar girder]

lol ok

[smoky nymph]

Does anyone know if the DrunkDeer G60 Aluminum Case is compatible with wooting 60he

[crystal pagoda]

no

[smoky nymph]

no as in its not or u dont know

[crystal pagoda]

no as in they dont

[glacial wind]

No and in it’s not because drunkdeer doesn’t use standard format

[crystal pagoda]

look at the standoff locations lol

[smoky nymph]

k, thanks

[stone arch]

for the type plus ones are you talking about the typeplus x yikb

[glacial wind]

Yeah

[stone arch]

for jade switches you need long pole correct?

[fluid ravine]

recommended

[stone arch]

ya im on stock stabs right now and sometimes my enter key pops up on one side

[crystal pagoda]

you never need long pole stabs

unless ur talking like 3.1mm

lol

or shit keycaps

[glacial wind]

You can just use geon stem spacers too

[stone arch]

gmk keycaps

[crystal pagoda]

then probs not

most stabs made in cherry stab spec shouldnt face issues really

u may or may not notice enough

[glacial wind]

https://divinikey.com/products/geon-stem-spacer?srsltid=AfmBOooemHaluu6MpjfK7A_sEktmYyTgG0_NwY_uEUMIEBC9YU-W-Gt4

[crystal pagoda]

but gat is close

[glacial wind]

Simple $5 solution if you ever run into actual wobble issues

[crystal pagoda]

o-rings work lowkey

if he has those

[glacial wind]

Turn any stab into long pole stab with this one simple trick. Long pole sellers will hate you!

[crystal pagoda]

may or may not

[stone arch]

well im saying right now infront of me i have this issue, GMK caps on stock stabs and they can pop up on one side if u press to hard

[glacial wind]

Then grab some geon stem spacers

[stone arch]

if im getting new stabs anyways its not better to just go long pole?

[crystal pagoda]

if u like the idea of being forced to only using long pole switches then sure

[glacial wind]

I mean sure but you could just lube the current ones too

swapping stabs is so unnecessary unless you actually have unsolvable issues with it

[stone arch]

not a big enough improvement over the stock ones?

[glacial wind]

But I know you’re going to buy new stabs anyway because no one ever listens when we say this

[crystal pagoda]

does the see-sawing matter to the point u need to fix it

or na

[glacial wind]

There’s no such thing as improvement in stabs. Either they work rattle free or they don’t

some are easier to tune and rattle easier but if a stab works rattle free then it’s already good

[stone arch]

my space bar rattles some but not terrible. maybe i just need the spacers then

[glacial wind]

have you tried relubing it?

[polar girder]

One day I’ll put them on ☠️

[marsh saffron]

My spacebar is practically silent

[glacial wind]

because that’s step 1. Before going out and spending $20 on new stabs just relube it properly

[hybrid cairn]

is this that stab equalizer thing that makes raws work with long pole stabs

[stone arch]

@crystal pagoda ye it bothers me cause the cap doesnt ever want to sit flat as it should

[crystal pagoda]

what

send pic

[glacial wind]

It just turns any stab into a long pole length stab

[glacial wind]

Yeah just get some stem spacers

[crystal pagoda]

ya get spacer

[stone arch]

so u have to like play with it to get it flat and then when u use it, it starts to go sideways again

okay awesomeee

[crystal pagoda]

#notanissueonknights

[stone arch]

thought it was not having long pole stab issues because thats what iv been told before

[hybrid cairn]

i managed to get it backwards lmao doees the 80 use long poles?

[glacial wind]

? It uses whatever you want to use

[hybrid cairn]

sry my brain is highkey fried

i wrote that so wrong

lmao

meant to type in the jade pros idk how my fingers autoed to 80

im so cooked

[stone flax]

jade pros are reduced travel

[glacial wind]

what?

[hybrid cairn]

as in does jade pro switches want long pole stabs

[hybrid cairn]

tyyyyyy

so long poles it is

[glacial wind]

It doesn’t care until you actually get the wobble issue

[hybrid cairn]

whut

[stone arch]

why do some get the issues i have and some dont?

[glacial wind]

Your Jade pros right now are saying “stop trying to mod useless things and worry about it only if you get the key wobbling”

[glacial wind]

Some keycaps are looser

[hybrid cairn]

i havent bought em yet and saw the TX AP stabs come in long and short pole options and thought rreduced travel 3.5mm or less use long poles while the higher mm travel ones use short

i suppose i have conceptually misunderstood something

[stone flax]

i can genuinely use knights on long poles because the stem tolerances with most keycaps sets is nice enough, thus i dont face see-sawing
necessitating long pole stabs or spacers is literally just a case of you either need it or you dont because its all a balancing act for whether the travel of stabs and tolerances between the stabilizer stem and keycap stem allow for see-sawing to occur

if u need it u need it

[glacial wind]

What happens in this discord is people who don’t have the issue and will likely never experience the long pole issue see people talking about it

[stone flax]

you mean i dont just buy something because people bought something ?

no way

[glacial wind]

It’s literally monkey see monkey do, and we end up with 500 people buying long pole stabs they never even needed to upgrade to

[hybrid cairn]

i dont need to upgrade, im js buying stabs, i dont have stabs either

i dont even have the board yet lmao

[glacial wind]

What’s wrong with your current stabs

[stone flax]

atleast one person probably bought long poles for lekkers or another open bottom and got hit with shock upon realizing they can no longer bottom out

lol

[hybrid cairn]

i dont have stabs, i bought the 80he, coming 07-10, no switches, no caps, buying the rest myself

[glacial wind]

Yeah so you don’t need new stabs then

[hybrid cairn]

i heard that the 80he stabs aint the greatest so thought id get "better" ones

[stone flax]

its comes with stabs

[hybrid cairn]

ik

[glacial wind]

It’s not the greatest due to stock lubing being inconsistent

Buying new stabs doesn’t solve this

Lubing the stabs solves this IF you get issues

[hybrid cairn]

so if i lube the stabs they become better than or equal to the TX APs or the SW Knights?

[knotty iron]

which stabilizers are recommended for the wooting with the least wobble?

[stray tiger]

dogshit lubed/tuned stabs > most expensive overhyped untuned stabs

[glacial wind]

They become equal because stabs just need to lubed and tuned properly and they’re all fine once done so

there isn’t some magical stab that stabs better

[hybrid cairn]

i dont like lubing so i plan on js using a service to lube what needs to be lubed

[glacial wind]

You just want a stab that doesn’t rattle and you’re good

[glacial wind]

Then why buy new stabs because the new stabs will need to be lubed too

[stray tiger]

Some stabs may have better tolerances, maybe better molds, maybe better factory lube, but in the end all stabs need some love

[hybrid cairn]

i have little knowledge on stabs and when i heard the 80he stabs werent great i thought that meant the product itself and this i should get new stabs that are a said to be good product that does its job well so when i gett it lubed itll overall sound and feel better than if i kept the stock ones and sent then trhough the same service

i think my thought process makes sense

[stray tiger]

Then it doesnt matter which stabs you have. They will all sound good when treated right

[dapper yacht]

yo guys what mods should I do to this stock 60he?

[stray tiger]

None

[glacial wind]

That thought process is why we have so many people buying stabs they don’t need and other mods they don’t need

[hybrid cairn]

alrighy, but will one sound / feel better than another if both are treated right?

[hybrid cairn]

i see

[stray tiger]

Nope

[hybrid cairn]

okay

stock stabs it is

25 bucks

savedddddd

[dapper yacht]

alr.....

[glacial wind]

Because now bobby-conversion is sitting at home and seeing your conversation and now he thinks he needs new stabs because he saw some guy called blank talking about stabs in wooting discord

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[glacial wind]

Then he posts on reddit about what stabs is best

[stray tiger]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1103459740186595399

[glacial wind]

Then frankly-mcfrank sees the reddit post and starts asking in wooting discord what new stabs he needs because he saw a reddit post saying knight is better stabs

And the cycle continues

[hybrid cairn]

ngl if he does that without seeing thhe end of the convo he deserve the confusion, thats js having no patience

at least like

ask

[glacial wind]

It’s the same reason we still have people come in asking if raptors are good because they saw one video go viral saying raptors have more information in the magnet

[hybrid cairn]

how the hell would that even work

[glacial wind]

a lot of folks just blindly see the start of some info and buy random stuff without checking

[glacial wind]

The guy confused magnetic force with information

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/fairy-dust-fugazzi-wazee-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-6777076745597365451

[hybrid cairn]

i-

how-

yknow what nevermind

people get confused

probably

oh yeah

btw

if i tape mod

for some depth

should i add foam too?

[marsh saffron]

Oh my god FUCK that video

[fallen pecan]

[stray tiger]

Stop there. Dont do any mods other than lubing.

[hybrid cairn]

i prefer my data 1960 medium rare thanks

[hybrid cairn]

why?

[stray tiger]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[hybrid cairn]

yippee reading time

[stone arch]

@hybrid cairn tape mod with poly fill sounded nice imo

[sacred elm]

cheater switches

[knotty iron]

poron vs teflon for the stabilizers, or none?

[stray tiger]

?

[hybrid cairn]

i heard poly is a mess though

[stray tiger]

You got stop hearing stuff from whoever is telling you stuff

[stone arch]

@hybrid cairn not really, i just dont use it anymore cause it caused fit issues with optimum/ friciton fit

[hybrid cairn]

perhaps for the best ngl, but hey at least im double checking with all you genius' :D

[knotty iron]

is teflon less absorbent and less squishy than poron

[hybrid cairn]

ahhh alright

[stone flax]

norbalizers will shatter this

/s

[hybrid cairn]

whats a norbailzer

[stray tiger]

I mean they probably will. I heard them in person earlier this year and they were pretty damn good.

[stone flax]

whats ur issue with it, what do you want more out of it

[stone flax]

whatd u actually reckon theyd cost if he decides to put them up one day

50 bucks for a 2u?

more?

[glacial wind]

Why would you put poron in your stabs though. I can only assume the hawk tuah girl is now giving stabilizers guides out with her new crypto coin

[stone arch]

@glacial wind those stem spacers are sold out everywhere D:

[stray tiger]

Hell if I know. I could only speculate but he has a shit ton of money in them already.

[stray tiger]

3d print some

[hybrid cairn]

i hear a difference, the difference is tiny, but i hear one. that or im getting hte mostt profound placebo rn

[hybrid cairn]

what is a norbalizer

[stone arch]

@hybrid cairn a new stab being worked on

[hybrid cairn]

wait

is that

from the guy

[stone flax]

norbauers stabilizer hes gonna be including in his upcoming boards or by themselves potentially

[hybrid cairn]

who makes bespoke keyboards

[stray tiger]

PGL started Im out for a bit

[hybrid cairn]

ah hell nah

thats the 3.5k+ board guy

the giga ggenius keyboarrd man

maker dude

ngl im interested to see how much a stab set is gna cost

if he sells them seperately

[stone arch]

alot more then its worth

[hybrid cairn]

depends on what someone assigns value to but probably

imo

[stone flax]

probably?

dude

[hybrid cairn]

dude?

[marsh saffron]

500$ stab set

[hybrid cairn]

ya really think so? ngl i can see it happening

at the absolute lowest its gna be 200-250 prly

per stab /j

[hybrid cairn]

ive been looking into zinc and i keep seeing conflicting site saying that zinc, both itself and alloys, corrodes pretty easily esp under acids, sweat, and skin oils, even under most coatings. is there something wooting does with their alloy / is theyre alloy or coating mode of / is different in any way to combat this?

that you know of ofc

[stone flax]

whos the guy who was complaining about see sawing earlier

[stone flax]

yo

do you have any cling wrap, paper, or tape

lowkey just do that

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uV-tnLRgjHg can do something like this, tape on the stabilizer stem, put paper in the keycap hole or on of the top stab stem, etc etc

they should work

[hybrid cairn]

yo, do you know if we're allowed to ping the woot team memberrs?

[stone flax]

probs not

[hybrid cairn]

i cant see the rules channel so idk

[upper coral]

best mods for 80he?

[glacial wind]

the only thing you gain from pinging wooting staff members is them telling you not to ping staff members