🔧│keyboard_modding

[latent scaffold]

thx, thats what I figured from vids online, but didnt think BKs were worth swapping for.

[glacial wind]

Just forget about thock and grab some jade pro or raw he and focus on clean sound instead of thock vs clack

[tawdry tree]

I like BKs, slightly reduced wobble compared to Lekker V2s and sound alright.

[glacial wind]

chasing thock is just ending up with a poor imitation that is beaten 10x by a $50 aliexpress board running thocky non he switches

[tawdry tree]

Better than Lekker V2s imo.

[untold wigeon]

Anyone tried switches pads on a He board?

[tawdry tree]

Not really worth.

[quiet bay]

ya, i dont know how much of a difference it amde though

I've kept them on my board for a while

[untold wigeon]

Does it like

[latent scaffold]

Honestly, Id be more open to trying other switches, but I am worried I'll break a bunch of lekkers trying to swap and not have a backup plan if I dont like the new switches lol

[tidal frigate]

My custom is also perfectly balanced between thock and clack. Maybe I like this sounc

[untold wigeon]

Affects the detection?

[quiet bay]

if its thin enough that it doesn't move the switch then it's good

[tawdry tree]

With a switch puller, you’ll not be breaking switches.

[untold wigeon]

Okay lemme go get some

Lmao

I always do it on my mechanical, so maybe it will have some effect

[latent scaffold]

I had a hell of a time yanking one out with the provided switch puller (1 of the keys was pretty scratchy so I swapped it out). Now admittedly maybe my technique is lacking and I didnt disassemble the board since it was just a single switch.

[tawdry tree]

around 0.2mm is the thickness you want for foam, poron in particular.

[tawdry tree]

Could unscrew the plate from the PCB and pop them out from below. Works well if you want to swap all of them.

[glacial wind]

It is interesting watching people go down the thockson route though at least

[latent scaffold]

yeh, ive heard that as well so it would hopefully be a non issue for a full switch swap.

[glacial wind]

they all go mod heavy for like 6 months doing the thock mods

[untold wigeon]

Bro just keeps on going lmao

[tidal frigate]

Just make tungsten case to achive thock

[quiet bay]

I've been staying with a deeper pitch sound hehe

[untold wigeon]

You can dislike thock, but stop telling people it’s wrong to do so

[latent scaffold]

Being completely new to custom keyboards (didnt even realize this was a thing) I naturally gravitated to the thockier sounds over clack.

[quiet bay]

a clean thock/cream is my ideal sound profile

[glacial wind]

It’s not wrong we’re just talking

Keep doing you

[glacial wind]

Yeah I think you’re one of the few that stayed lol

[untold wigeon]

Do you have anything specific that I can look for? Most of them are like 0.5

[tawdry tree]

Any sound can be good if it’s clean.

I can appreciate clack and thock, just don’t like it for my board.

[tidal frigate]

If you cross point of no return you can find small diffrences in sound

[glacial wind]

Wait till they get on the pe foam mod train

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, they don’t have 0.3mm thick ones on amazon or aliexpress?

[glacial wind]

I think that’s totally normal. Everyone loves thock when they first get into it

[tidal frigate]

Your brain would be tainted and you will chase perfect sounds spending thousands

[quiet bay]

oh im pretty sure im using .5mm thick switch pads lmao

[glacial wind]

It’s natural when every YouTuber shows it and everyone wants to get the marbly thock they see in videos

[latent scaffold]

I know geon raws are higher pitched than lekker v2s, but are they also a bit louder? I almost pulled the trigger on the raws, but kept second guessing whether they would be too loud / clacky for me. Of course ive never used a clacky switch IRL.

[tawdry tree]

then your perfect changes and it never ends

[untold wigeon]

Hmm, I was looking for something that I can get quickly

[glacial wind]

They are a bit louder than lekkers yeah

[tidal frigate]

Dont tell him that

Because he would Escape our addiction

[quiet bay]

will def be loud, but you can change the clacky sound profile

[tawdry tree]

That’s quite rare, if you found 0.5mm you can try those but 0.25mm is optimal.

[quiet bay]

with the power of foam

[tawdry tree]

I can’t type for shit today

[glacial wind]

Basically if you go from lekker to geon raw or jade pro you’ll get a louder switch but cleaner sound and more stable stem

[tidal frigate]

Foam plastic metal and silicon

[glacial wind]

lekkers are one of the most muted he switches so most switches will be louder in comparison

[quiet bay]

ngl I was never a fan of silicon

always sounded scratchy to me

[tidal frigate]

Keyboard pcb is made out of silicon

[quiet bay]

well that's a new thing learned today

oh shit u said silicon not silicone

whoops

[latent scaffold]

Having never experienced jade pros or raws in person overall I'd say im happy with the lekkers given that I am coming from a shitty razer keyboard. I know most people would recommend going raws or jade pros over lekker v2s though.

[tawdry tree]

def

coming from razer is an incredibly low bar

[latent scaffold]

haha yeh I honestly didnt know a keyboard could feel so much better

[glacial wind]

They’re a fine basic he switch. Nothing wrong with lekker v2. They’re not as good overall switches vs some alternatives but they still beat the pants off the old gaming keyboard stuff

[quiet bay]

if geon and wooting collab on switches they'll be unstoppable

[glacial wind]

Honestly I am curious to see what path they go for v3 of lekker

[tidal frigate]

They have to

[glacial wind]

Whether it’s a collab or they make their own version of jade pro/raw or one of the box stems

[tidal frigate]

Or maybe geon x wooting frog 80he case

[glacial wind]

V2 lekker felt like more of a stopgap switch while they swapped manufacturers and moved away from gateron

[tawdry tree]

I want them to make their own switch design, no collab.

they can do it for sure

just maybe didn’t want to risk anything? not sure

[quiet bay]

they def can but they're more biased towards that deep sound

which results in lekkers being muddy

[glacial wind]

It’s just that open bottom that makes the sound kind of eh

[tidal frigate]

see you in 5hrs

[glacial wind]

The hollowness

[tawdry tree]

deep is fine as long as it’s clean. just gotta do their own stuff instead of OEM again and again

[quiet bay]

yee it's deep but it's lacking

[tawdry tree]

make it interesting

[glacial wind]

But they also have to pay attention to stability stuff now though

[crystal pagoda]

theyre alreading using the same manufacturer lol

[glacial wind]

If they want to continue to fine tune lower actuations etc then stability will come into play

Like whether they want to try go box stem like ttc magneto or Jade gaming or whether it’s too much of a cost of sound

Or if they can find a way that makes a switch as stable at bottom out without going box stem

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think box stem alone drastically changed the sound. Grain Golds box stem vs non box stems sound almost identical

Neo lav vs sticky rice for example

[glacial wind]

No one has quite figured it out yet though because the Jade gaming don’t sound as good as Jade pros

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[glacial wind]

Even though it’s mostly just box stem added onto jades but the sound changed a lot

[honest nacelle]

plenty wrong with the lekker v2 - its passable if you get a prebuilt wooting, but realistically these should not even make it near the final decisions for HE switches. Especially if you're building a module

[latent scaffold]

tough crowd

[glacial wind]

Yeah I’m talking in comparison to Logitech stuff

Not saying lekker v2 are as good as Jade pro or raws

hence why we’ve been talking for 10 mins about what v3 should be to match up

[ionic breach]

they are just the best in its category

and thats why its recommended

[stone flax]

black knights?

[ionic breach]

they aint 4.0 no?

[honest nacelle]

when did we start talking about logitech?

they've been out of the picture for so long

not even worth comparing anything to

plus they're using raeshas

[glacial wind]

We were talking lekker v2 vs old gaming keyboards

I’m not sure what you’re talking about

[glacial wind]

Yes old gaming keyboards

I’m not sure what you’re reading into here lol

[sage flicker]

cool, lol. nice video and definite sound upgrade. https://www.amazon.com/a15112300ux0387-2mmx4mmx0-5mm-Motherboard-Insulating-Washers/dp/B01ARADX88?content-id=amzn1.sym.918a99dd-4826-4c0a-be33-a6705d69c4cf%3Aamzn1.sym.918a99dd-4826-4c0a-be33-a6705d69c4cf&crid=1YRYLRR9CPJQ4&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.BMlNvbGhBVwKsvUyELA0qTpYzyrUB4WsdGLnjZTZpa_GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.4qGCm3RQdphyj2WzKnFIBMofv5dvyhLBoBxzFhJpG5Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=Washers&pd_rd_r=c88d07fe-3938-4378-9cd5-3f30b73388d9&pd_rd_w=2uviM&pd_rd_wg=q0Oo3&pf_rd_p=918a99dd-4826-4c0a-be33-a6705d69c4cf&pf_rd_r=BRKWQSMFFQWFG9NJ480E&pid=hoLdaDp&qid=1732766848&refinements=p_n_feature_seventeen_browse-bin%3A19046668011%2Cp_n_feature_twenty_browse-bin%3A17420937011&s=industrial&sprefix=m2%2Bsilicone%2Bwasher%2B4mm%2Bod%2B2mm%2Bid%2Caps%2C68&sr=1-1 - I found this on amazon, says it's a fiber insulating washer. Would it work? lol

[glacial wind]

Codect said he was coming from old janky gaming keyboards hence why we started talking about how lekkers compare vs them

[latent scaffold]

^^

[glacial wind]

Bro you found the worlds longest link

[sage flicker]

metal keycaps have given me pretty good thock i must say. Can't go back to plastic keycaps

[tawdry tree]

They are.

[stone flax]

they are full travel

[glacial wind]

Man I get a tracking link text for what is probably my optimum case but I can’t open it because I have to go to my other app and use the official fed ex site to double check the tracking

Text scams have ruined convenience

[latent scaffold]

I get so many USPS scam texts

[tawdry tree]

Really not sure, they’re quite stiff so getting it in and out might be a bit difficult but you can try. No clue how they’d affect the sound honestly.

[glacial wind]

Yeah it’s at the point now where you can’t click anything from a text message and have to manually go around it lol

[sage flicker]

ok lol. will give it a shot. it's all they have at amazon. 😄

[tawdry tree]

I was shocked that there wasn’t any store local to me that sold silicone washers in those sizes

[ionic breach]

👀 oh damn

[tawdry tree]

let me know how there are when u get em! 😁

[ionic breach]

wait what are 3.6mm then

[glacial wind]

Man just the optimum case box alone is 1.4kg lol what did they pack with it

[ionic breach]

lemme check

[tawdry tree]

MoyuStudio’s site said 3.6mm

[ionic breach]

oh ya that thing

[tawdry tree]

then every other reseller copied that

[ionic breach]

nvm then i forgot abt it

[tawdry tree]

I wonder if they updated it

[ionic breach]

probably not

[tawdry tree]

💀

who cares about misinformation anyway

[hollow dagger]

Also not a huge fan of the bottomless case.

Wanted to love the black knight, but it is because of that I just couldnt bring myself to even like it.

[glacial wind]

I wonder what the next wooting announcement is actually

We kind of out of new stuff now

I guess there’s the upcoming owlabs collab, but that’s more owlabs than wooting side

[stone flax]

wooting tklhe announcement

they cooked 🔥

[chilly mural]

where?

[stone flax]

i just did something

called lying

😭

[chilly mural]

aww

[calm pulsar]

https://geon.works/products/venom-he-tkl-pcb-plates?variant=44804532437155

[stone flax]

🤣

[chilly mural]

😭

[fallen pecan]

https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-tiger-lite-gaming-keyboard-kit?variant=42892608798859

[ruby hill]

Venom doesnt have rgb, it seems pointless for the transparent case

[fluid ravine]

Sometimes it's not always about the rgb for fps
but the judgement of covers

that was random

[glacial wind]

We need some 80s class. Velvet covered keyboard

[quiet bay]

I like it cause it looks cool

[flat cobalt]

What did you do to the old switches you took apart?

[calm pulsar]

stored

[glacial wind]

Somewhere out there is the guy who bought my old 60he with a bag of cursed lekker housing raptor stem switches

[tawdry tree]

lekker housing with raptor stem is diabolical

lol

[glacial wind]

hrm the keychron 60% wrist rest might be the closest fit for optimum case i've seen so far

306mm wide

optimum case is 308mm

wootings is 295 so a bit short

[calm pulsar]

a bit narrower than the case is better than wider so i agree

[glacial wind]

i was going to grab the wooting one but then realized it's a fair bit shorter and also shipping is $30 lol

does anyone know the front height of the optimum case?

[untold wigeon]

The optimum case doesn’t cover the switches

To me that’s a fatal flaw

I wish it was just a tiny bit taller

For a case that’s meant to be minimal it doesn’t do a good job

[glacial wind]

Does good job for me, the switch covering thing is pretty personal preference

[dreamy drum]

Thinking im gonna grab sticky rice V2 switches for the build

the sound profile sounds so

[glacial wind]

Uh oh another one

Is there some sticky rice v2 video going viral right now?

[dreamy drum]

Lmao no, i just listened to like 3 different videos and they just sound good

the videos i watched were mostly comparing jades, sticky rice, and ws dash switches

as well as of course the stock lekkers

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[glacial wind]

Just be aware box stem switches are a lot less smooth

So you always give up some smoothness for it

[dreamy drum]

is that the experience you had with the ttc?

[glacial wind]

It’s universal across all box stems

[untold wigeon]

Ignore this dude lmao

[glacial wind]

I only use ttc because I like to experiment with min max stability

[untold wigeon]

He sticky rice hater

[glacial wind]

No I literally have tried a lot of box stems

[sacred elm]

for a reason

[glacial wind]

The sticky rice is just a mediocre switch is the main thing

I don’t think it’s bad but I don’t think it’s good either

It didn’t do well on stability tests either so you don’t gain the advantage of say ttc switches

you kind of just sacrifice everything for a box stem switch that doesn’t give box stem advantages

[dreamy drum]

i mean like, don't get me wrong I don't care if i get a box switch or not, i just am after the sound of it. which may be a stupid thing to say but so be it.

though, i can't imagine when you say sacrificing smoothness, like i have 0 experience buying new switches -- so i can't imagine a keyboard's typing not being smooth as it is

i think i have stock lekker 45s or whatever they give us in the 60he, so if there's some way to put that into a frame of reference 😂

[deft wing]

Hear me out, get GEON Raws and be done with life. I was running OG stock lekkers and it was a freaking sound upgrade honestly

[dreamy drum]

don't think i heard a sound test for those i'll give it an ear

[deft wing]

I was skeptical at first until I installed it in my board

I felt an eargasm with those RAWs after a year with those scratchy wobbly lekkers

[jade narwhal]

just go to the church of Raw HE

[glacial wind]

tl;dr is basically when you push box stem down there is increased friction which increases even more when pushed off axis

this is due to the box stem on top of the switch

and the 'thockyness' of these switches is greatly overemphasized by video recordings. They're not that thocky irl

[dreamy drum]

yeah for me it was the high pitch of the sounds just in it of itself that was turning me off

but if ttc has other switches i wouldn't doubt their quality

[sacred elm]

sound tests are so fake, best to just order like 10 switches and test it yourself see if you like them

[glacial wind]

for example this is a similar box stem switch released in korea: #🔧│keyboard_modding message

[deft wing]

exactly, do what @sacred elm did. or be like me, just full steam ahead and bought the whole set kekw

[dreamy drum]

yeah i hate resorting to just one sound test, so much variance in builds and cases and keycaps, just gotta train my ear to hear past all that and only notice the difference the switch is making. which i doubt works perfectly but its the best i can do without buying it

[glacial wind]

which is a similar closed bottom box stem https://www.swagkey.kr/39/?idx=871

[sacred elm]

I didnt do it

that was my mistake

lmao

[glacial wind]

the problem with sound tests is that unless it's done back to back with the other switch on the same setup then it's hard to compare. Which is something I'm considering adding as a database on the upcoming wooting modding site

half the time things like phone video also boost up the 'thock' and can make switches sound a lot thockier than others

[dreamy drum]

yeah 100% it really blows when you have one video that compares like 3 out of 5 of the switches you're interested in buying and you have to go to a different youtube vid and rely on some random guys brand new setup

but that link put another point into the geon raws for me

the audio on those sounded pretty good too tbf

[glacial wind]

yeah you can hear the clarity of the raws more than the peony in the video and those peony are probably one of the best sounding box stems with high stability bottom out - and I still didn't pick them over the other options

the problem is the top wobble on them felt really bad

stable, but you could feel the box stem hit the housing sides when you rested hand on them, which wasn't nice for me

[dreamy drum]

that's on the peony or the geons?

[glacial wind]

the peony

[dreamy drum]

gotcha, good to hear knowing that im considering the geons now too

[glacial wind]

geon raw he and jade pros for example don't have that feeling because they don't have box stems that touch the sides

that's the advantage of no box stem and why it's smoother

[dreamy drum]

i gotta be honest i didn't even realize that was an issue until i watched some videos and they mentioned the stem wobble

which, as you probably know is insane on the lekker 45s

[glacial wind]

stem wobble is one of those things you don't notice until you upgrade

it's kind of like 'you don't know what you're missing until you try the better option'

then you go back to the first option and realize 'oh.. yeah these are a lot wobbler'

[dapper obsidian]

man I surely did not make a nice deal with my GEON RAWs in the end of the day....was like "aye its Thocctober and they are in stock no where else"....in the end I paid 28€ Shipping an fckn 30€ import fees

sure it was 204 Switches but still

[glacial wind]

you euro guys are your crazy fees lol

[dreamy drum]

what in gods name are you doing with 204 switches

[dapper obsidian]

could've gotten Jade Pros in Black Friday for 70€ on Amazon

[dapper obsidian]

getting them for me and a buddy

[sacred elm]

could have exactly smh

[dreamy drum]

ohh okay

they offer the geon raws in 40 50 and 60g actuation, its all just preference right? each is just as compatible im guessing?
https://geon.works/products/geon-raw-he-switch?srsltid=AfmBOoonSpRHqohF2WoiujMZIA6CZV0uAi6lZ_mEGpTtSOrxr7t2Ml-a

[glacial wind]

yeah

[dreamy drum]

worddd

[glacial wind]

most go with 50g because 50g is middle ground

[dreamy drum]

yeah i probably will also tbf

[glacial wind]

40g can be a bit light for some, so 50g is just more safe

other option also is jade pros which are quite cheap on aliexpress right now

either raw he or jade pros are good options for first switch

[deft wing]

[dreamy drum]

yikes yeah i would not like to have to buy something off aliexpress

[glacial wind]

well they're on amazon too and gaterons site

just that aliexpress has them for even cheaper

like i think gateron and amazon are 20% off right now

but aliexpress it's like 30-40% depending on deal stacking

or just get the raw he, either is fine honestly

[dreamy drum]

oh fuck me

are the geons not shine through

[glacial wind]

they are

[dreamy drum]

oh okay im tripping

[glacial wind]

they have a window for rgb

if you care about rgb the raw he are better than jade pro honestly

[dreamy drum]

all the photos and this one video im watching i really couldn't tell

[glacial wind]

jade pro has a tinted top housing so you have to adjust the colors for the green tint

[dreamy drum]

honestly my keycaps aren't even shine-through, so its not the worst thing in the world if they're slightly dimmer

i just didn't want to lose rgb altogether

[glacial wind]

ah i found the chart with the sticky rice stability tests

sticky rice is the one that's 13.46 there

basically one of the worst performing box stems for stability

[sacred elm]

are those v2 lekkers?

[glacial wind]

at the bottom? yeah

[sacred elm]

[glacial wind]

here's full image

[sacred elm]

whats the last one

lol

[glacial wind]

that one i have no idea, but most be awful if it's worse than gen 1 lekker lol

[sacred elm]

wait im gonna ask one guy

[jade narwhal]

the last one is rapter he

[glacial wind]

ah that makes sense

[jade narwhal]

the lekker is V1

[dreamy drum]

what the fuck am i looking at

😂

[glacial wind]

basically people testing how much the stem wobbles at bottom of press

[fallen pecan]

just run it thru google translate

[dreamy drum]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-chi-ling-alex-mei-bing-chi-ling-alex-gif-21908053

[fallen pecan]

least wobbly switch on top

[dreamy drum]

haha gotcha yeh im just meming cause its in chinese haha

[dreamy drum]

oh wow

so lekkers really do fall near bottom of the barrel for that stat then huh

at least in this list

[jade narwhal]

this graph test the deviation of magnetical force when the switch is fully pressed

[glacial wind]

yeah lekkers are not great for wobble vs the current gen of switches

they're okay as a stock 'this is better than razer switches' kind of deal, but vs. the good he switches that came out this year they fall behind

[fallen pecan]

relevant to boards that have tight deadzones/0.01mm rt

[jade narwhal]

this result may caused by both the quality of magnet and the switch

[sacred elm]

i remember when i had v1 lekkers i could deactivate switch while holding it with my finger and wiggling

[dreamy drum]

dude on a side note, taking the pcb out of the stock wooting case was so like, lets just say it was a revelation. I really would never have been able to realize how light that plastic stock case actually was

i feel like i could murder someone with the tofu 60 + brass weight

[glacial wind]

yeah metal cases be chunky. My optimum case for my spare 60he+ is coming and the package itself weighs 1.4kg

[sacred elm]

there no lekker v2 on this list

that one is raptor x lekker

[daring helm]

Got it! Let me provide the translated names for the axes in the chart. Here’s the updated translation:

---

Title:

• Average Deviation Peak Sum and Average Deviation Ratio (Lower Values Are Better)

Legend:

• Light Blue Bars: Average Deviation Peak Sum
• Orange Bars: Average Deviation Ratio

---

Data (from top to bottom):

1. Magnetic King RGB (万磁王RGB):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 0.8
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.15%

2. Magnetic King Axis (万磁王轴):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 1.06
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.21%

3. Tianji Magnetic Axis Gaming (天玑磁轴电竞):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 2.28
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.45%

4. Tianji Magnetic Axis Standard (天玑磁轴标准):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 2.44
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.48%

5. Magnetic King MAX (磁王MAX):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 3.3
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.67%

6. Magnetic King PRO (磁王PRO):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 3.68
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.75%

7. Tianji Magnetic Axis SE (天玑磁轴SE):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 3.86
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.77%

8. Magnetic King Axis (磁王轴):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 3.94
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 0.81%

9. Sticky Rice Axis (糯米轴):

   • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 13.46
   • Average Deviation Ratio: 3.01%

10. Summit Axis (登峰轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 19.56
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 3.72%

11. Sealed Magnetic Axis (封在磁拍轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 20.66
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 4.74%

12. Flowing Fire Axis (流火轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 35.22
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 8.32%

13. Carbon Axis (碳轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 37.98
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 6.76%

14. Double Magnetic White Axis (双轴磁白轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 68.4
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 10.57%

15. Double Magnetic Silver Axis (双轴磁银轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 68.74
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 11.8%

16. Magnetic Series XLekker (磁系XLekker):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 85.4
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 14.92%

17. Black Warrior Magnetic Axis (黑武士磁轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 85.925
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 16.14%

18. Lekker:

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum: 108.6
    • Average Deviation Ratio: 18.16%

19. Raptor Axis (猛禽轴):

    • Average Deviation Peak Sum:

[dreamy drum]

ooooh thats really exciting

[sacred elm]

bottom is lekker v1

[dreamy drum]

the what in tarnation

[daring helm]

ChatGPT translation

[glacial wind]

it's the lekker above

[dreamy drum]

oh! nice translation

[sacred elm]

no its raptor lekker frankenswitch

[daring helm]

i assume ttc kom rgb is at the top

?

how well does the TTC POM fare

[glacial wind]

oh maybe i grabbed the old chart without lekker v2 lol

[fallen pecan]

thats the new one

they didnt test the v2s

[sacred elm]

ye there is no lekker v2 on this list

[glacial wind]

ttc pom and rgb is the same mold

[daring helm]

how much better is the pom in terms of sound?

[glacial wind]

i did some digging before ordering the ttc pom to try. Basically ttc pom and rgb magneto are using the 3.4mm +-50 magnet and the regular magneto are using the 3.5mm mold with +-60g magnet

[fallen pecan]

oh wait i have a newer one

[glacial wind]

they seem to just be ttc magneto but tad louder, but smoother

[fallen pecan]

has some switches from the mad60he line

[daring helm]

bruh aint the magneto loud enough? 😭

i heard its like louder than other magnetic switches

[glacial wind]

yeah lol it be a loud boy

[fallen pecan]

very loud

[glacial wind]

i bought them to try anyway because I was curious about full pom switches for HE

the mad60 switches are so interesting

that they basically cloned jade pro but worse lol

[daring helm]

the yellow one or the one with the jade colorway

[glacial wind]

the pro ones

which eyejoker didn't like because they actually had more issues than the basic one that wobbled more

[sacred elm]

they even copied switches?😭😭😭😭😭

[glacial wind]

of course, it's the atk special

[sacred elm]

oh my god

they are so cringe

[fallen pecan]

best switch of the mad60 lineup is the kunlun switch, #11 on the list

[glacial wind]

moral of the story is just buy decent switches if you care about switch performance lol

at least jade pro and such seem to be getting cheaper these days

[fallen pecan]

ye, and people complained about snapping feet off when trying to remove them cos they were on so tight

[glacial wind]

raw he was already cheap but at least now the others are also dropping in price

now if someone could make magneto rgb that sounds like jade pro/raw he i'll pay your $1 per switch overpriced markup

bonus points if you make them pom too

[devout totem]

Bottom side of the GT-80 will not be perpendicular to the desk surface. This will bother the hell out of me. I hope this drawing is an old revision and the production case will have perpendicular bottom side

[sacred elm]

how does that matter

[crimson sky]

that is like almost any keyboard

[ionic breach]

thats all keyboards

[devout totem]

All my wrist rest has perpendicular top side

[crimson sky]

great, that means it will match up well at the top then

[fallen pecan]

when both sides touch you wont see the angle anymore

[devout totem]

All my other keyboard including the optimum case are perpendicular

[crimson sky]

I mean you can see in the product images that that ain't true

[devout totem]

Just measured mine, it's 86 closer to right angle than 83

[sacred elm]

[untold wigeon]

My olkb is perpendicular

Both parallel and perpendicular

Flat ass board

[glacial wind]

oh here's one list that has the raw he

[sacred elm]

jade pro

[glacial wind]

you can see stickyrice isn't even as stable as raw he without box stem lol

[sacred elm]

wth is that madlions "jade pro" copy

lmao

[glacial wind]

yeah none of the madlions switches are very good

[sacred elm]

just give up

[glacial wind]

eyejoker said the cheaper regular switches performed better than the pros lol

[ionic breach]

[bleak talon]

What keycaps are good for the wooting 80he?

[glacial wind]

the ones you like

[amber hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKID0ORh1xk

watch this and decide for yourself

[sacred elm]

he meant keycaps

[calm pulsar]

they asked about keycaps

[glacial wind]

lol

[amber hornet]

ah shit

lmao

mb

[sacred elm]

gg bro you lost your aura points

[amber hornet]

cringe

[sacred elm]

[amber hornet]

[ionic breach]

any you like

as long as it is mx compatible

[glacial wind]

Ah fresh supplies

[random hull]

cant seem to find knight v2 long pole anymore in EU. deltakey has em on order apparently but wonder if anyone knows alternatives?

[glacial wind]

tx ap long pole, or just get non long pole with some geon stem spacers

[random hull]

hmm i thought people really liked the knight ones? i can wait if i must, not sure which is the best to get tbh

[glacial wind]

Knight are more popular and most would say easier but generally stabs aren’t that big a deal and you can make any of the decent stabs sound good with lube

[random hull]

alright cool

so for the TX AP I could use the 205g0 too?

[glacial wind]

the type plus stabs are quite nice too although they aren’t long pole

Yeah tx ap just use 205g0

[random hull]

because I was leaning towards the knights cause if I can just roll with the 205g0 I can atleast keep the costs fairly low, dont need to buy too much additional stuff then, sounds good ty

[glacial wind]

most of the new gen stabs jsut run on 205g0 fine

knight v2, typeplus, tx ap are all 205g0 only

[random hull]

Thats nice, happy I dont have to buy too much then, and now I have some options

since I have to wait for my spacebar I figured I can do this while I wait

[jade star]

using 205 on just the housing for tx ap or pole as well?

[glacial wind]

both housing and wires

[jade star]

thats interesting ill be giving that a try in a few days when my keyboard arrives then thanks!

[bleak talon]

Can someone recommend an Company for good keycaps

[random hull]

I'd want base / 1.6 right, for TX AP, 2u is missing some stuff?

[glacial wind]

yeah base set

if you buy some non long poles from delta key, add in a pack of https://deltakeyco.com/products/geon-stem-spacer

you may not even need them depending on your keycaps, but honestly not bad to have a pack of them sitting around since they're a few dollars and will last you lifetime of stabs lol

[random hull]

sounds good thanks, think if i go non long pole and buy these with it, i have better compatibility ? cause then i would just be able to remove them if needed?

if that makes any sense

[glacial wind]

yeah that's a good way to go too

iirc some folks here did that with typeplus + stem spacers

[random hull]

cause when I looked at the knights they had these, they serve the same purpose then?

except those go under housings?

and the spacers on the stems?

[glacial wind]

nah those are shims in case you use a thinner pcb

[random hull]

ohh okay

[glacial wind]

you won't use those with wooting anyway since it's 1.6

[random hull]

hmm they said they covered both 1.2 and 1.6 but how do they do 1.2 then?

[glacial wind]

i'm actually planning to use normal knight v2 with geon stem spacers for my optimum build when it gets here actually

[random hull]

oh nice, going for the full collection eh 😛

[glacial wind]

if you had a 1.2mm you'd insert the shim pad under the stab to make it fit like 1.6

[random hull]

hmm okay i see

[glacial wind]

well i had a 60he already but i sold it thinking I wouldn't need it anymore, but then i wanted one for sound samples on the upcoming modding website so thankfully wooting sent me one

[random hull]

yeah, maybe non long pole is the way to go then, i dont really know enough about how much variance there is between the current top switches and their travel time (and this way i could cover all bases for the future)

oh sick, congrats, thats cool. and well deserved 👍 good for you

[glacial wind]

honestly non long pole is easier too when you want to swap to other switches or test it out in future

easier to remove a stem spacer for a 4mm switch then install entirely new stabs because your current stabs are long pole and not right length for 4mm

[random hull]

yeah true, good stuff, sounds like a plan, ill just get the regulars and those spacers

[tawdry tree]

the knights are popular because they’re the only interesting stabs that fit through the 60HE’s plate.

if you have the 80HE or a custom plate, you can get whatever

TX AP, Staebies, DesignerStudios

etc

Staebies and Designer don’t offer long pole iirc

Staebies for sure didn’t but not sure about designer

if you use decent quality keycaps, don’t get long poles unless you’re only ever gonna use long pole switches

[dapper obsidian]

(Knights are also popular as they are easy to tune)

[flat cobalt]

I have some staebies here ready for my 80he

[wintry rune]

hello, just a question about keycaps I have been looking for a new set as the black friday sales are now on. I saw that cerakeys have sales but I'm hesitant as I don't know if something as heavy as ceramic keycaps will affect when I use the keyboard for gaming. have anyone tried it ? I would love to have some opinions or suggestions for keycaps as My case is white and I have been struggling to get a proper look.

[glacial wind]

you'll need much stronger springs if you want to match the spring weight of non ceramic keys

[ocean ocean]

I am using TX AP on my 80he

[glacial wind]

i'm using knights in both 60he and 80he, except one is long pole and one isn't

they're just so easy to tune and get working well

[wintry rune]

hmmm that sounds too much work. any suggestion for keycaps that looks good on white cases tho?

[glacial wind]

i mean there's a billion. White case looks good with all sorts of white variations, pastel too, light earthy colors

or bright colors for the contrast

[wintry rune]

that is the problem a lot of options and a lot of websites but I want something that feels and sound nice as my last set sounded awfull xD

[glacial wind]

i'd start with the design you want first since there's a crazy amount of keycap sets out there

[wintry rune]

But like regarding quality wise. where should I be looking

[glacial wind]

gmk, pbtfans (icon mods), wuque studio, osume, keykobo just to name a few brands of sets

just look at the different online keyboard stores and see what you like

[wintry rune]

thank you so much

[glacial wind]

just don't end up on the fake gmk website is all lol

[random hull]

understood thanks

i looked at a wire balancing vid and it looks like a bad time, i hope mine comes in not needing any of that

[crimson sky]

there is a realy one now btw

https://www.gmk.net/shop/

[tawdry tree]

it’s really not that bad especially if you’re balancing the wires of new stabs (no need for wiping off lube).

[random hull]

im gonna have to balance the new stock wire for my 4.5u since i cant buy those new

[tawdry tree]

WOW

[random hull]

but I bought a module so maybe i should just wipe it clean when i get it in an hour or so

[crimson sky]

I got one of those

• also one in funky colors

[tawdry tree]

if they’re bad, it’s worth it. if they’re not that bad, it’s still worth it. 😂

[tawdry tree]

Tastenkappe

[random hull]

yeah im not excited about all of this but i am very curious about the end result

maybe ill do the tape mod thing too

[glacial wind]

oh they finally put a real one up lol

[crimson sky]

what about the GMK humpen

[calm pulsar]

ohh where is that?

[crimson sky]

they give them out at mechanicon

[calm pulsar]

I wanted to also get the color samples

[calm pulsar]

ic ic, but where are the screenmshots from?

[crimson sky]

also got this one last time

[calm pulsar]

like what store

[crimson sky]

here

[calm pulsar]

danke

wow so that is an official official gmk store

[crimson sky]

yes

they had the uniqey store before as well

though their kitting is odd

ah nvm

fixed something already

[calm pulsar]

a full set like that would be nice

the blue on white keycaps I mean

[tawdry tree]

BoW 🤔

[calm pulsar]

yeah nice store, might grab a bunch of stuff from here after the new year holidays are over

[crimson sky]

they don't have that many keycaps actually

some of them are just linking to vendors

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[crimson sky]

but they do have some, beige has a lot of base kits so you can save some money for example

[chilly mural]

what's next? GMK usb cable?

[crimson sky]

same with BoW

[calm pulsar]

I see, well im more interested in the accessories and merch

[crimson sky]

I mean they are a bavarian company, it is kinda normal to drink a beer at work there

[chilly mural]

OOO

[crimson sky]

these renders look kinda funny tho

[chilly mural]

it's a beer mug, thought it's coffee

[calm pulsar]

yeah I noticed that the mug is a beer mug of all possible descriptions

[crimson sky]

it's a humpen

which is a beer mug

[calm pulsar]

btw just seen this name on wow, shameless

[crimson sky]

they call it a "Schankkrug" on the german page, which is a Humpen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_stein

[random hull]

found site that has knights in stock but no spacers 😔 dont want to pay shipping twice

btw the geon spacers exist in both 0.4 and 0.5mm, does this matter or

[glacial wind]

i believe he only sells the 0.4 option himself and most sites tend to stock the 0.5 version

it mostly depends on the switches you want to use

like for the raw he they recommend the 0.5 option because it's 3.4mm travel

[random hull]

hmm okay, so worst case i might have to get a 0.4 later

which isnt that much of a problem

[glacial wind]

0.5 is the safe bet since most HE switches are 3.4 or 3.5mm right now for the shorter travel switches

most of the jades are 3.5mm iirc

and raw he is 3.4 which uses the 0.5mm anyway

ttc is all 3.5 or 3.4mm as well

[random hull]

sounds great then, will just have to grab a pair

[half belfry]

hello, has anyone here used typeplus x yikb on their 80he paired with long pole switches (gateron jade pros to be exact) are they compatible?

[glacial wind]

i know someone has as I've seen it posted, but I can't remember who

they're perfectly fine to use with long pole switches. If you do run into any wobble issue (which is rare and won't happen to most folks), then you add a stem spacer like asdf is talking about above

[half belfry]

good to know thank you! completely forgot that they come with spacers 😅

[glacial wind]

well they don't come with spacers, but you can buy geon stem spacers online for like $5

although it's pretty much not needed for almost everyone since the wobble spacebar thing is really rare

[random hull]

hmm so there is a scenario where i would buy the regular non long pole, and i wouldnt need the spacers?

(would make it easier to just order my stuff today) i can just grab the spacers down the line then

[glacial wind]

almost all the time you'd never need the spacer

[random hull]

oh great

[glacial wind]

the spacers are mostly only used for the very rare situation where your keycaps are loose and wobble

[random hull]

this one site has knights in stock, but only clear color, prefer black but its not like im going to be looking at those much right? lol

[glacial wind]

but most people don't have really loose keycaps so they never even know wobble is a thing with long pole switches

[half belfry]

ahh gotcha, I think ill get them anyways just incase

[random hull]

great, then ill just grab em later. wish they were on aliexpress tbh, would be convenient

[glacial wind]

you'll basically never see them unless you take keycaps off

[random hull]

great then im buying today and get started a bit earlier, deltakeys was still awaiting stock so i dont really wanna wait 1-2 weeks for that, this UK site has stock rn it seems

[glacial wind]

to give an example of how rare spacebar wobble is - i've never experienced it myself in all the builds i've done lol

[random hull]

oh wow

[glacial wind]

and i don't personally know anyone who has either

[random hull]

okay, yeah then ill probably be fine

i can take the chance then

[glacial wind]

it's just a rare thing I see posted once in a blue moon on reddit or in a discord

for example cam and a bunch of other people here are all using 3.4/3.5mm switches on normal stabs fine

[random hull]

I found this mechmods site they seem to have both of what I initially wanted so I can just buy there, and keep the spacers for later

31eur total, but i think deltakeys wouldnt be much cheaper so eh

[glacial wind]

yeah that doesn't seem like that bad a price honestly

maybe if you shop around you find the krytox for a dollar or two less but meh

not super worth the effort to save 1 dollar lol

[random hull]

yeah i did look around but it seems hard to find it and not be questioning if its legit

and id probably also have to pay shipping again so ill just roll with it i guess

[glacial wind]

yeah that's what I'd do

[cedar gate]

How many mm are stock tofu screws?

Ordered some new things for my keyboard and I got some stuff to confirm

[untold gate]

First ”custom” keyboard. Redux 60 green. (+tapemod). Lubing switches when my order arrive from wooting 🙂

[cedar gate]

Will 6mm screws work for burger mount with 4x1x1.5 o rings and tape mod

[cedar gate]

Nice but you should put that in #1070668460905988106

[tropic urchin]

If the default wooting switch puller fails me, does anyone have a good metal alternative recommendation

[forest hare]

anyone has the gray values of the CYL honor dark version gmk keycap set against the Optimum case?

thinking of getting them from sale

[glacial wind]

Wuque titanium switch puller is what a lot of us have

[polar girder]

lol it’s fine here

[tropic urchin]

bet

my 80HE arrives Monday

doesnt feel real that it isnt still back at the factory 😅

[chilly mural]

yay

the wait is finally over

[tropic urchin]

its going to be a fun monday

its a shame I didnt get the jade pros off amazon thinking I wasn't going to get the 80 so soon, but looks like they'll be a few days away

[chilly mural]

it's fine~

[tropic urchin]

ill get a feel for my jade god switches before, but just means I'll have to take it apart again but its w/e

jade pros sound too good

[chilly mural]

geon raw is still fine

waow, feeling slightly dead, I can't believe how much I've spent while waiting for the 80he

[tropic urchin]

Ye Raws and Pros are about the only 2 worth getting currently

[loud gull]

TTC Magneto gang

[tropic urchin]

Box stem + stock plasticky sound has me turned off from the TTC lineup, also not a huge fan of box stems after trying them on my current board

[sacred elm]

lekker v1 gang

[amber hornet]

[stray tiger]

Leaving this here - https://novelkeys.com/collections/bfcm-2024

[amber hornet]

I wish that they would also ship these to europe

[stray tiger]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[kind helm]

yay happy thanksgiving ❤️

[cedar gate]

Can anyone help me with this

[marsh saffron]

Don't take my word on it but so long as tape mod isn't too thick it should

Id wait for someone actually knowledgeable to reply

[fluid ravine]

Happy Thanksgiving🦃

[fluid ravine]

Hope you have a amazing time with your family Pops 🫶

Same goes to everyone

[random hull]

so if i go through the trouble of opening up all those switches i might aswell baglube the springs? for geon raws.. id be worried of applying too much if i do it any other way but using the bag

[quiet bay]

yeah it'd be a good idea to bag lube the springs

[random hull]

okay cool, ordered some gpl105 too

[cedar gate]

U too👍👍👍

Not sure how my Thanksgiving will be I got covid

[random hull]

im still not sure what i should do to the bottom of the pcb if any mods

[cedar gate]

Currently trying to walk it off

[cedar gate]

If you did tape mod you don't need to worry it's safe

[fluid ravine]

Noooo

[cedar gate]

Ik

[fluid ravine]

Hope you get better man

[cedar gate]

I hope so too👍

[fluid ravine]

Nah you will 👍👍

[random hull]

i wanted to but yeah, that or the other thing polyfill

[cedar gate]

Yeah fortunately for me I rarely ever take meds so my immune system is strong currently walking it off and I'm getting better

[cedar gate]

I haven't tried polyfill yet (I believe thockson has) but I can vouch for tape mod it's great

[fluid ravine]

What's the question?

[random hull]

wondering what i should go for, tape mod seems pretty easy to do, havent tried with polyfil but it would be one or the other right

[polar girder]

Best holiday

Enjoy!

[fluid ravine]

Ah well it's not like a should go for type of thing but to try, especially with tape mod, cheap and easy to apply and remove. Try it out and see if you like it, if not then remove, easy as that. Same thing with polyfill. There can be questions that can come to mind with its material but it's a great case foam material for a keyboard. I'm personally biased with polyfill so I could easily recommend it.

And yes you can put those to together if you're wondering, tempest tape mod is just applying tape on the back of the pcb while doing it's effects as a filter while polyfill is being filled in the case doing it's thing as a case foam dampener.

[random hull]

Okay cool, appreciate the help thanks

So any results I get on amazon on "polyfil" would suffice?

[dull venture]

if someone can help me set up my wooting 60he and viper v3 pro please dm me

[cedar gate]

Does anyone know of a black red coiled cable that works with wooting preferably on amazon(I have a gift card)

[fluid ravine]

Yeah just search up "polyfill"

You should get a result right awY

[random hull]

alright great, and i need to cover the back of the pcb with painters tape to ensure it wont get dangerous with using this in there? just to be sure

[fluid ravine]

Painters or masking tape
Most common tape to use for tape mod

[random hull]

thanks

[dreamy drum]

Someone correct me if im wrong, I think painters tape mod isn’t for protection but rather just another mod to change up the acoustics of the board.

[edgy panther]

tape mod is just for acoustics

[tropic urchin]

yeah its just a sound thing

[real meadow]

does the wooting 80HE module come with stabilizers?

[quiet bay]

ye

[dull venture]

can someone help me setting my wooting 60he and viper v3 pro

[stone flax]

you look like a chill guy

for sure

[dull venture]

Thank you so much

Can I dm you??

[stone flax]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[polar girder]

So chill

[fluid ravine]

we all wish we can be like him

[untold wigeon]

hey whats best eu retailer for keycaps :3

or site should i say

[stone flax]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[untold wigeon]

ty

[flat cobalt]

Debating if I should get 1 more artisan or not

[quiet bay]

what's the artisan

[flat cobalt]

This hello kitty cosmos

[quiet bay]

what's the one u bought

well what artisan do u have thats going iwth ur keycaps

[flat cobalt]

They’re mostly all cosmos themed

[quiet bay]

i assume u have multiple and i assume they were not cheap so I'd not get another one 😂

[flat cobalt]

Should be these 4

[quiet bay]

damn u got 4 artisans and want another one?

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-please-broke-wallet-gif-10282203

ik they're not cheap...

especially that top left one

[flat cobalt]

Yeah that was the priciest one the other 3 were around the 30$-40$

[quiet bay]

what's the goal of collecting all these artisans
display or put on keyboard?

[flat cobalt]

Put on keyboard

[quiet bay]

oh boy is that going to be pricey especially fi you fill up one row but yk what

if u have enough money for it sure

the cosmos artisan looks cool

[flat cobalt]

I think I’ll stop I forgot the 80he only has 4 keys and not 6 keys above the arrow keys

[quiet bay]

if it had 6 you'd be saying goodbye to another 60-100 dollars 😂

[flat cobalt]

Literally though lol

[meager pine]

Does anyone have a Pom plate/Gateron Raw HE sound test?

[harsh dove]

Yes

[meager pine]

Where could I find it!

[harsh dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1280236954608467989/2024-07-25_22-38-24.mp4?ex=674a0b93&is=6748ba13&hm=2303436133f5621500fece7252139a38b6f32336a3222526e6e5f02ed71e9fe1&

[meager pine]

Do you have any sound tests with the optimum case??

[harsh dove]

Not yet

Ill make one though

[meager pine]

Easy, I look forward to it!! 🙂

[harsh dove]

It’ll also be using Pom plate and raw he

[fluid ravine]

It's coming in tmr yippee! It just arrived in my city, just being proccessed rn.
CF+RAWS 👍

[quiet bay]

getting upgrades left and right lately 👀

[young lantern]

@glacial wind whats eta on your pom magnetos?

[fluid ravine]

yeah 😭

we both are

next thing to try is a new plate material

Wanna try alu or a plastic plate like POM or PP

[glacial wind]

Probably like a week. Who knows with aliexpress really - it just randomly shows up after a couple weeks

Last update it was waiting for a flight lol

[quiet bay]

waiting on wooting ot make a pp plate still lol

and praying they make a white colorway for the owlabs case...

not silver but white 🙏

[void iris]

hello

im looking to get the 60he module and i was looking at this case

its kinda overpriced but i dont mind paying for it if its decent

the designs are cool

does anyone know if build quality is good? im not really knowledegble on keyboards yet

[quiet bay]

never seen anyone use it before but it looks cool

[random hull]

i see, but is polyfil use otherwise dangerous under a pcb? how would you go about that

[fluid ravine]

It's not

I'm not gonna elaborate rn cus I'm busy but it's not

[random hull]

all good and thanks

[stone flax]

that looks so meh

[young lantern]

very true i ordered a dusk67 a month ago and it arrived a week early

[void iris]

I like it

[stone flax]

why is there only three traymount points

is this thing even compatible

[void iris]

It says it is on the website

[stone flax]

either way

only 3 isnt very reassuring lol

[void iris]

What other brand makes cool designs like this, thats actually well known cause i cant find shit

[quiet bay]

you'd have to wait but have u seen the owlabs collab case with wooting?

[void iris]

I have not

Ill check it out

[quiet bay]

lemme send u the video with it

[void iris]

Alright

[stone flax]

wdym by this exactly?

cool design like this can mean anything

what part of it are u reffering to

the back weight?

[void iris]

Like the case above

[void iris]

Ye

Kind of like that, but i mean the art can be anywhere i dont mind

[devout torrent]

Now this is BoB

[devout torrent]

Just taobao resale at higher price too

[stone flax]

looked like it

[devout torrent]

How about waifu case

[void iris]

Uhhh no

[void iris]

A what now

[prime ridge]

Is there any good HE switches that have a close bottom and 4mm of travel?

[void iris]

Ok so i looked up taobao and it seems to be a Chinese market place?

I guess ill look for this case in there

[devout torrent]

No

[knotty iron]

those do not exist

[prime ridge]

Unfortunate

Thanks for letting me know though!

[knotty iron]

better to know than to not

[prime ridge]

Very true

[knotty iron]

can recommend Raw HEs tho, even if they are semi-open and 3.4mm physical travel

[prime ridge]

I already have them and I'm just more fond of the 4mm travel. Thanks for the suggestion though!

[quiet bay]

I need that 3.4mm because i'm too used to bottoming out my keys

[flat cobalt]

Until cosmos comes out

[devout torrent]

I missed that one

And this one is only 40

[glass timber]

does anyone have time to help recommend a switch? im looking for a switch that retains performance like the lekkers 0.1mm actuation point but with way less stem wobble, a better sound and maybe better springs instead of me just buying new springs. i have been using the stock lekkers since i got my 60he 10~ months ago and have lubed them.

[glacial wind]

Raw he or Jade pros depending on price

[glass timber]

ive seen a couple people talking about the jade pros on reddit, some are saying they wobble a little still. is that something i can fix by lubing myself?

obviously i dont expect no wobble, especially not in a he switch but its just something id like to avoid

[fallen pecan]

for less wobble, go for box switches. those are scratchy to me, can't be helped due to having a larger surface. for non box, jade pros and raw he are your best bet

for boxes, go for the ttc magneto(variants) or ttc uranus(variants)

[glass timber]

okay. thank you! i think i remember seeing people talking on the reddit form about ttc having good ones

ahh yes ! the uranus esports ones i think i remember reading about

[stone flax]

[fallen pecan]

the ttc uranus SE is a non box, but it is the cheapest of the uranus

[glass timber]

are the boxes really that scratchy? even after lubing?

[fallen pecan]

it lacks factory lube, really gotta DIY

someone opened it up, only had like 3 drops in the most expensive magneto RGBs

[glass timber]

that is disappointing

the most expensive one lacked ?

[fallen pecan]

my regular magnetos arent scratchy, but it might be for you

doesnt bother me that much

[glass timber]

ahhh thats fair

i think i may just look into getting raw he's. ive seen some other switches that i liked the sound of but i am putting performance at a top priority since i play competitive fps games

[fallen pecan]

just for context i have a board with rows of different switches: jade gaming (boxes), jade pros, ttc magneto, 2 rows of raw he, just to try them out

[glass timber]

i dont doubt your context or opinions, dont worry! i wouldve just kept reading on reddit but sometimes its nice to ask someone directly. never hurts lol

howd you like the jade pros?

[fallen pecan]

my fav switch so far, sounds the best

the raws are 2nd, magneto 3rd

[graceful pawn]

you'll like em until you main em. I did jade, pro, and max after my raw. I liked the original jade sound the most. couldn't keep my keyboard fully configged with them for a week before going back to raws

[fallen pecan]

the jade pros are on my number row, might not be getting enough use. i couldnt stand the regular jade sound so i was looking for a replacement

[graceful pawn]

I learned quickly that sound ain't worth how much worse they feel compared to raws imo

[flat cobalt]

@sacred elm

[graceful pawn]

is this agreement or disagreement?? 💀

[stone arch]

Have you guys tried sticky rices?

[graceful pawn]

I personally haven't

[glass timber]

they do sound good. i watched someone on youtube do comparisons on the 80he. lekker v2, black knights, ttc koms, og jades, jade pros, jade max and raw he. i think my personal fav in sound is the jade maxes but i remember reading posts on reddit about the stems on the max.

[graceful pawn]

if that's your sound and you got em you should try it out. I didn't have those stem issues at all with my maxes. I think it's about the way you type

[glass timber]

yeah

making decisions is hard.

[graceful pawn]

haha I know, that's why my fomo made me buy a ton too

but raws won like for most others here

[glass timber]

youd think for someone who is quite a noob at keyboard modding wouldnt be so anxious about finding a switch i like. lol

[quiet bay]

Raws are the goat 👑

Inexpensive, feels great, and sounds good

[glass timber]

are max's still 0.1mm like the raws?

[glacial wind]

yeah don't get jade max. They have friction issues

[glass timber]

raws might be the choice i think

[glacial wind]

raw he or jade pro both good options

[fallen pecan]

maxes measure better than the pros by a tiny bit

but yeah switch feel issues

[glacial wind]

you sure? i recall them being below pros

might vary from tester to tester because they're so close

[fallen pecan]

they are close

[glacial wind]

they were less consistent than pros when eyejoker tested them

[fallen pecan]

diff test i guess

[glacial wind]

but all of them are quite tight territory for non box stem already

yeah could be sample to sample variance too because eyejoker tested i think 5 samples

[fallen pecan]

there's variance in the testing equipment as well, not sure if these testers take it into account

[glass timber]

by reputation i think i will skip on the maxes due to those issues being discovered and go for something i can rely on. at this point, i may just buy one 10pcs of the raw he and one 10pcs of the jade pros, i could go from my own personal feel and experience.

[glacial wind]

check what your pricing is on aliexpress for jade pros @glass timber

[glass timber]

was just about to

[glacial wind]

the jade pro and raw he are insanely close in how they behave

people go raw he because it's a lot cheaper generally, so it's a good deal. However black friday sales are on right now so jade pros can be found for really cheap too

[glass timber]

jade pros are $48.18 cad and they are on sale for 25% off. geon raw he's i have not found yet

[glacial wind]

like I think there's a $5 difference or something between jade pro and raw he pricing for me whereas normally it's like 30% more expensive

[marsh saffron]

getting raws in canada isnt easy

[glass timber]

either way for shipping i am going to wait bc canada post is still striking

[marsh saffron]

for me, id need to pay 57$ shipping to bc for raws

[glass timber]

good LORD

[marsh saffron]

yeah...

i asked deskhero if they could potentially stock them

and they said they would ask geon iirc

[glacial wind]

what does this link price raw he at for you: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007782574456.html

[glass timber]

what is that shipping price in comparison to what you actually paid for the switches?

like half? over half of what u paid??

[marsh saffron]

it cost more

its like 46$ for the switches before tax

shipping was 57$

EXCLUDING IMPORT FEES BTW

[glass timber]

yeah i was gonna say

import fees gonna get you too

[marsh saffron]

shit would cost 120$ 😭

[glacial wind]

the link i gave you is the main raw he seller on aliexpress

so you can compare the pricing of that vs. the jade pro sellers

[glass timber]

its $7.09 cad + $8.86 shipping

[glacial wind]

it's 10 for pack

[marsh saffron]

10$ shipping from ali

[glacial wind]

so jade pros might end up cheaper for you right now due to the sales

[marsh saffron]

quality: fast 🥶 🗣️

[glass timber]

there is another store selling them as large packs. $64.68 for 61pcs + free shipping. only have availibilty for 60gf though

[glacial wind]

just take the cheaper between jade pro and raw he honestly - they're essentially almost the same in how they feel and behave outside of small pitch difference in sound

[glass timber]

aliexpress reviews are hilarious

[glass timber]

yeah i think thats gonna be the plan. not too worried about price honestly considering both my birthday and christmas are next month so i get a free excuse to spend money on myself without feeling guilty but with availability and holidays coming plus the canada post striking i might as well buy the jade pros. who knows when they would restock 50gf raws and if they wouldnt raise the price by then.

[glacial wind]

yeah i'd buy the jade pros right now too just cause they're so cheap on black friday sales

[glass timber]

yippie

oh also, should i also be buying new stabs as well because jade pros are lower?

[stone flax]

Raw he 💪

[glacial wind]

nah you don't need to worry about that wobble thing unless it actually happens to you later then there are simple solutions

[flat cobalt]

I hope the Staebies work well for me

[glacial wind]

there are stem spacers you can buy online for like $5, but you don't need to worry about them unless you have very loose keycaps

[glass timber]

alrighty ! welp time to wait forever for them to arrive

[glass timber]

just have the stock ones still other than a small artisan keycap on my escape

[glacial wind]

stock is fine honestly. Some could use a lube touch up, but that's how it goes for all stabs

[glass timber]

yeah, i lubed all my switches and stabs one night when i was bored. they feel better than before after balancing a little bit

holy shit

[hollow dagger]

At the end of the day, I think, in general, people won't run into the friction issue with jade max unless it's intentional. But I hate how it lives in my mind rent free when I have it on.

[glass timber]

the estimated date because the striking is february. good GOD

[glass timber]

how does it even happen? space between the housing ? i dont know specifically what the friction itself is doing, like is it sticky? mushy?

[glacial wind]

it depends on the person too

[hollow dagger]

Just my assumption, didn't run any tests, stem tolerances are too tight.

[glass timber]

was there any info on others replicating it or consistency with what is happening?

[glacial wind]

it's very consistent among reviewers at least

in that they can replicate the friction

[hollow dagger]

Only concluded this because i swapped it out with black knight stem and have no friction issues.

[glass timber]

so possible design flaw?

[glacial wind]

basically it's just that the material is pc on pc plus dual rail as well, both of which are usually no-nos

for smoothness anyway

[glass timber]

fair enough. im just excited to finally get rid of that stupid wobble from my lekkers

[tawdry tree]

80HE?

[glacial wind]

you'll notice companies rarely do same material stem + same material housing

[glass timber]

i can be jiggle peaking something in val and it sticks in the back of my head, just feels... squishy.

[hollow dagger]

But a side note, my bk stem is woobly on the jade max housing

[glass timber]

that sucks

[glacial wind]

same material stem + housing tends to 'stick' or 'suction' onto itself and you get a weird friction feeling on it when pushing slow sometimes

[glass timber]

ew, that sounds horrific

sorta like a "vacuum" feel?

[glacial wind]

yeah exactly

[glass timber]

blegh

[glacial wind]

that plus dual rail design which is already known to not be that smooth just leads to a lot of reviewers pointing out the friction issue they had with em

[glass timber]

thats understandable. and with reviewers they will always point out details like that if they are thorough. i wonder if that means they will do a v2 version that doesnt have that issue

[glacial wind]

honestly if they just made the stem a different material and take out the dual rail it'd probably be way improved already

dual rail still the biggest failed gimmick ever for 'stability'

[glass timber]

lmaoo

its a shame. its a cool sounding switch and the rgb is neat but i dont think that really outweighs the possible impact of the friction issues

[fallen pecan]

yep my fire68 had gat dual rail whites, they were shit

[glass timber]

note to self: never get dual rail unless want to be yelled at and put through weird feeling.

got it

[flat cobalt]

Yeh

[hollow dagger]

At the end of the day I'm not a huge fan of the sound profile too

I'm just using this switch as a placeholder for my jade pros

[glass timber]

did you just buy some jade pros? just waiting?

[hollow dagger]

Bought it, just havent arrived yet

[glass timber]

ahh. i am gonna be in the same boat here, wish all goes well with their arrival

[hollow dagger]

I also have raw he if that matters, that sounded the best among all the ones that I have

[hollow dagger]

Mine is out for delivery

[glass timber]

have you seen "leo clacks" the ultimate wooting switch showdown video on yt?

in my personal opinion i think the maxes and raws sounded the best

[hollow dagger]

Yes

[glass timber]

actually,, raws might be better.. theyre pretty close

i dunno. they just sound great

i love the jades but that little extra density sounds nice to me

if that makes sense

[tawdry tree]

If you use stock or any decent quality keycaps they’ll be perfect. Don’t use grease, just lube is sufficient. 🙂

[hollow dagger]

I dont have pros yet, but having max and raw he, im more inclined towards the raw he

[glass timber]

im pretty even with them. maybe like 55% 45%

[hollow dagger]

You'd have to consider that he was testing it on an 80HE

Mine is the 60

[glass timber]

indeed

im not too worried about sound, just performance since i mainly am just using my kb to play games and blast music in my ears. it wont really affect too much. but if it came to it based off sound and reputation, id chose raws

[hollow dagger]

Different mounting styles plays towards the strengths of the sound profile

[hollow dagger]

That's what I thought when I got mine, until I got a little too obsessed

[glass timber]

oh lord

is this my beginning down the rabbit hole?

[hollow dagger]

You're already in here

[glass timber]

._ .

[hollow dagger]

All the best to your bank account

[glass timber]

fuuu-

maane

[tidal frigate]

@glass timber how much money do you have

[glass timber]

budget is already low from buying clothes pls no

[chilly mural]

You still have a chance, just don't spend too much unless you really like it

[glass timber]

MANNNNNNN

[chilly mural]

I mean, stock caps fine, just buy switches, stab, and maybe spacebar foam if you wanna buy the rest later.

[glass timber]

priority for my kb is just switches, stabs or spacers if issue happens bc jades are 3.5mm, keycaps and a case down the road

[hollow dagger]

You probably don't need to get new stabs

Unless they're bad

[glass timber]

theyre not great but theyre usable

[chilly mural]

That too, using stock rn still and it feels nice to me

[glass timber]

switches are first, as soon as thats done then it will probably be a while before i do anything else. saving up for some stuff

[chilly mural]

with raw despite its 3.5mm travel

[glass timber]

well thats good, gives me hope

[flat cobalt]

Neat yeh I’ll be using GMKs on them and thank you for the grease lube advice

[glass timber]

welp. i like the sound of the raws better but jade pros are on sale till dec 3 so i will wait to see if the raws on aliexpress become available in 50gf, if not,. jade pros are gonna be the choice for me and then i will go from there. if no stab issue i will buy keycaps :D

gotta wait regardless since canada post isnt even accepting new mail since strikes. they sent out the notice yesterday

[hollow dagger]

I applaud your restraint

But ye trust me, i've had 2 different aftermarket stabs, I do not notice any difference

[glass timber]

the urge is building.. trust me. i also need a new pair of iems and they are also on sale rn on aliexpress for 64% off... the restraint wont hold long

[hollow dagger]

Might be better? But if it is then it's very marginal

[glass timber]

gotta buy christmas presents first and then i get to destroy my budget tehehe

[glass timber]

i just meant in terms of having issues with it drooping like some have. esp spacebar. but i guess i could get spacers for that

its good to know though so i wont end up getting new stabs that wont really make a difference. thank you

[glacial wind]

you are one of the few sane people then

probably at least every day someone will come in asking what stabs they need for their new switches and we tell them the stock is fine, then they go spend $15 on stabs they don't need anyway

it's nice to see someone actually not go out and buy different stabs for once lol

[glass timber]

the only reason i would be doing that is if i have that issue, otherwise im gonna save my money and just spend it on something else like food

thank you for all the help. i think i have a good idea of what to buy now.

i did have one last question, springs. are they really that big of a difference? for people who change them? like lighter or heavier, or two stage springs (i think is what they were? sorry)

dont really think i want to change them but trying to learn more about keyboards so it would be helpful

[glacial wind]

generally most springs come in 50g these days which is the popular weight most people pick (jade pros are 50g ish). raw he come in 40g/50/60. It's basically just preference at end of the day

spring length is a thing too but honestly it barely matters and min/maxing spring stuff is way overkill

two stage springs feel a bit different and a lot of folks don't really like them

[void iris]

anyone else know brands that do cool ass designs like these? i cant really find any reviews for this one so

[flat cobalt]

The salvation case by Salvun looks cool but it’s around 300$ something

[glacial wind]

60% has an absurd amount of cases honestly, especially once you get into chinese ones

[void iris]

looked it up, pretty meh

[flat cobalt]

For me it’s about the color as stupid as it sounds

[glacial wind]

yeah you and bigsley lol

with the whole black stab adventure he went on

[flat cobalt]

Dude for reals and I think he’s still using the Black Knight switches right?

[glacial wind]

if i were someone who knew him i'd tell him I snuck into his room and changed one thing in his keyboard to not black

then let him go crazy trying to find out what isn't black anymore

[quiet bay]

https://novelkeys.com/products/salvation-keyboard?variant=43460084727975 silver, blue, and purple are still available for 110

[glass timber]

okay ! thank you for the info. i like a little bit of a lighter switch but not so light im pressing keys by accident. i do it enough already :d

[flat cobalt]

No I can’t I ordered the 80he already

[flat cobalt]

lol

[polar girder]

lol yeah I’ve changed pretty much everything on my Wooting but still have stock module stabs

Even tho I own like 4 other sets of stabs

They’re pretty solid and I’m lazy lol

[untold wigeon]

anyone have good keycap recommendations

[potent pawn]

Any good keycaps for optimum case

I heard the optimum keycaps are mid

[stone flax]

This is literally a 30-70 dollar case from china marked up to 150

lmfao

[stone flax]

$110 on novelkeys right now

Hop on it

[void iris]

Ye i saw it on tao

Same seller

But i dont think i can buy from there where im at

[flat cobalt]

I actually cancelled the Cosmos Salvation for the GT80 and then ordered the 80he

It’s too late for my 60He

[glacial wind]

Got my weekly geon delivery

Honestly this $5 cable is legit the best cable I’ve had besides my pricy custom ones

[stone flax]

venom better

i think

[glacial wind]

really well built, light rubber coating on the cable and stiff but not absurdly stiff

it feels like a really pricy cable even though it's one of the cheapest i own

[chilly mural]

even the cable strap looks excessive

[glacial wind]

yeah right? It's nicer than the pricier anker thunderbolt cable I have

[cold bloom]

I really like the look of that tbh

[quiet bay]

holy for 5 dollars that's so nice

Geon never ceases to impress

[noble kindle]

does wooting have any "clicky" actuators or no?

[woven crypt]

Hi recently got a two he
Planning to lite mod it.

1. Does regular mechanical keyboard stabilizer work with woooting ?
2. Where can I buy the back foam to make the keyboard sound better.

Kindly share link to buy where to buy

Thank you !

[daring helm]

are frankenswitching hall effect switches worth it

what would be the best ones?

[flat cobalt]

[celest violet]

Is that a 60he?

Or what keyboard is that

[flat cobalt]

Like the best switch to use or the best components to frankenswitch from

[meager pine]

Bro sounds so good! Thanks for this as I’m going for this exact same config

[daring helm]

best components i guess

I already have gateron jade pros and geon raw hes

idk what would be better

[fluid ravine]

i'm ready