🔧│keyboard_modding

[kind helm]

@ me if you remember, i may miss it. i have to go to school tmr too unfortunately

[cedar kernel]

Since you guys talked earlier about the Geon Raws HE and consensus is that they are better, what would be the "best" or most liked stabilizers to pair with the geons ?

[quasi hinge]

Im sure people whill chime in and suggest others etc. but what I did was use TX 1.6 long pole stabs for both the 80he and 60he+

only in the 60he+ did I keep some stock ones as they sounded better for whatever reason

and both boards have geon raws 50g

[ancient dirge]

what set is this

[cedar kernel]

Looked them up a bit and I'll save the link, tbh I haven't done much research yet on stabilizers so if anyone else wants to they can recommend theirs 😁
Thanks asdasmos

[ionic breach]

forgor

@ancient dirge

[quasi hinge]

are they backlit?

[ionic breach]

they are glow in the dark lit

[quasi hinge]

Oh okay, so after a while the illumination will fade?

or will the rgb beneath keep it lit?

[ionic breach]

the pigment should last for years

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113416.1 alot of colours

[quasi hinge]

Sorry, I meant more for playing in the dark

[ionic breach]

ngl not sure abt it

might want to ask the guy himself

i havent asked him too much about it

[quasi hinge]

are they still for sale

[ionic breach]

its an ic

been there since 2021

its iffy

[crimson sky]

just FYI, the guy ran KAT cyberspace, which was an absolutely horrid GB experience

[ionic breach]

something about a change in ownership or smt

[crimson sky]

no

it just was keyreative

which always is a horrible start

[ionic breach]

i think ulliam left

[quasi hinge]

Looks like a rug and they just dont know it yet....

[quasi hinge]

Yeah I read that in their discord just now

People talking like they will actually get those keycaps lol

shame because they look nice

[quasi hinge]

Would you know of something similar that is available for purchase now and backlit?

[ionic breach]

not backlit

[quasi hinge]

Sure ill still take a look

[ionic breach]

similar how?

[quasi hinge]

im looking for something alien themed

or ufo / uap

[ionic breach]

cant think of anything alien themed

[quasi hinge]

The font was different so it gave a foreign feeling

[ionic breach]

cyrillic?

i mean im sure there are a few with cyrillic out there

[quasi hinge]

OCR-A font

[ionic breach]

lmao mb i thought of sublegends

its not popular ofc

i doubt u will find with ocr a font and can pass off as an alien theme

[quasi hinge]

I have an 80he custom build coming soon

a lot of work is being put into it

the only question is the keycaps

[random loom]

Is there a major difference between the stock geon raw springs and pingless springs

[dapper obsidian]

what on earth is pingless supposed to mean. That its prelubed? 😄

[random loom]

IDK 😭

That’s why am asking

[random hull]

thats cool. what sort of stuff are you having done?

[quasi hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMo_7LhqDfk

[quasi hinge]

The only hint I will give other than the trailer is that it will involve cerakote, milling and laser engraving.

[random hull]

sounds dope

👍

[quasi hinge]

Ill post in wootstations when done

[muted sapphire]

without pinging 🙄🙄🙄

[knotty iron]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-da-dan-y-ayase-momo-ken-gif-10836424228941931505

[dapper obsidian]

yeah which is not a thing if you lube the spring ^^

[calm pulsar]

I mean there's description on geon's website

[kind helm]

have you tried the neo lavender

[calm pulsar]

no

[kind helm]

if you have money lying around, maybe worth trying👀

i haven't put them on a board yet, only got 10 of them for free shipping, but its kinda good

[calm pulsar]

uhhh they are an older switch, similar to standard jades

[kind helm]

the top is raw, original one is a bit more loose

i am putting my phone on my coffee mug

but to be fair, not sure if this is better than jade pro, as i haven't tried those

[calm pulsar]

they should be fine, also a bit longer travel distance I believe

[kind helm]

yea

spring is same length as lekker v1s

[hollow dagger]

What setup is this?

[kind helm]

what do mean setup

[hollow dagger]

is that just geon raws?

Don't remember having a purple bottom housing

[kind helm]

thats raw and neo

something i wanna try down the line but probably not recently. that combo is tight, but i also wants to check out jade pro

[hollow dagger]

bro I didn't realize there's so many more switches than I can even keep track of

wobble looks so minimal though! is it much less than the original stem?

[kind helm]

not much

yea the wobble is what made me really interested to see what would happen if i have longer spring to pair with this

deleted the message cuz i thought you were another dude, my bad. going blind rn

[hollow dagger]

No worries, thought you sent me a christmas gift

[kind helm]

xD

[pine coral]

Can someone help me out wanted get dampening pads for the 80he and don’t know what mm or brand if anyone knows be very helpful and if should go with v2 or v3 durock screw in stabilizers if u can @ me or send me links to the pads I appreciate it ❤️

[dapper hazel]

25%/20% off discount codes are out

[ionic breach]

btw just curious

how much does fking.wtf cost a month?

[dapper hazel]

year, most domains are per year

wasn’t expensive

$32

[ionic breach]

not too bad

seems like one that is hard to get tho

[dapper hazel]

https://switch.film those film tlds are expensive

[ionic breach]

oh ya wtf

they are in the hundreds

[dapper hazel]

nah not that bad

$80 i think

[ionic breach]

must be just godaddy then

it starts at 100usd ish

[dapper hazel]

yeah don’t use godaddy

porkbun, namecheap, and inwx.de are the good ones

[fluid ravine]

Sure thing

[kind helm]

morning my dude

[fluid ravine]

I'm gonna have to take it at night cus I'll be home late from a volleyball scrimmage today sooo

[fluid ravine]

Morning man

[kind helm]

nice

hf man

[fluid ravine]

Preciate it

[glossy pagoda]

chat.com just sold for more than 10 million dollars

[chilly mural]

it's naow an OpenAI site

[candid cloud]

just to redirect to chatgpt

I wish I had 10mil for a redirect domain holy

[kind helm]

they sold it? to who

[glossy pagoda]

To OpenAI

[kind helm]

oh wait i am being blind again

[candid cloud]

holy it was 15.5million and he sold for 10mil in chatgpt shares

[kind helm]

chat.com

not chatgpt.com

i was like tf chatgpt is brought by someone?!

thats nutty

what was chat.com used to be?

[candid cloud]

it was owned by hubspot a CRM company cto

probably just an investment domain

[kind helm]

pogger investment

me no business person but what is the benifit of buying that site, though i guess 10mil is not much for openai

[calm pulsar]

chat.com sounds like a hella cool domain

[candid cloud]

Domains such as those tend to retain value pretty well

[calm pulsar]

easy to remember and get to

[candid cloud]

and yeah it's not much for openai

[kind helm]

and chatgpt is not 3 characters literally

it would be funny if chat.com was some whatsapp kind of thing and now instead of talking to human you talk to ai

[chilly mural]

You can make it so

Just that you can't talk about sensitive thing

[kind helm]

which is possibly what next generation of people would do. right now lmm is already nutty

[candid cloud]

apparently they released chatgpt search recently

it will probably be the domain they use to host an equivalent of google or other search engines

[kind helm]

oh yea the web search thingy

never using google search again

they kinda behind on that already, think copilot had that first

[candid cloud]

copilot is chatgpt

[kind helm]

btw copilot is nutty for anyone interested in reading papers for whatever reason

[chilly mural]

copilot is chatgpt under a blanket

[candid cloud]

Microsoft is a huge investor of chatgpt

[chilly mural]

? Why

[kind helm]

you just open whatever pdf and it does its thing, unless you have better option which i would LOVE to hear

[chilly mural]

mmm, very noice

[kind helm]

i used to write up like a whole list of things that i should pay attention to when reading or writing these stuff, now i just throw the whole list at copilot and let it complete it

in 3 years i think i am not needed anymore

[chilly mural]

It'll be a nice tool for creatives

Just hope the dream of having AI waiful is still possible

Maybe JP or CN startup can do it.

[kind helm]

jp maybe, cn's butthole tighter than us

[chilly mural]

doesn't stop CN company from releasing open source tho

[kind helm]

i dont know if you have physically aiwaifu in mind or like ai video waifu. but that s44t gonna take hella resource to run

[chilly mural]

Chatgpt, but it act as your waifu

[kind helm]

that exists

[chilly mural]

Or AI roleplay basically

[kind helm]

that exists right now :3

[chilly mural]

I want a better one

[kind helm]

[chilly mural]

imagine as smart as chatgpt, but can write very good

[muted sapphire]

i will overlube hehe

[kind helm]

👀 overlube is fine, but if it is raw make sure that the hole in the buttom housing is dry

otherwise may sound squishy

[muted sapphire]

why

[kind helm]

guessing the lube in that little hole maybe modifying the sound in a weird way

[muted sapphire]

uh

[kind helm]

idk dude, i am no mechanical engineer, i wish i can be as cool as them

[muted sapphire]

or maybe it messes w the magnet

[muted sapphire]

lmao study engineering?😂

[split dagger]

Anyone know keycaps that match this case

[kind helm]

cs peasant

the most boring, stupid, no skill required major

[muted sapphire]

gmk taro

they are 100 euros tho

[muted sapphire]

like u decided to do that buddy

😭

[calm pulsar]

counter strike peasant

[kind helm]

nope i decided on ce, but opportunity pushed me to cs

[muted sapphire]

u can change?

[kind helm]

valorant gang rise up

[split dagger]

Could you send a link in dms bc I dont think you can send them here

[muted sapphire]

like you want a degree in something u don't like?

[kind helm]

to make my own life harder

hell nah

[muted sapphire]

https://novelkeys.com/products/cherry-taro

[muted sapphire]

bro

like it's ur life

if you think what ur studying is bored stupid and requires no skill

why are you studying it

like ur whole life is gonna revolve around that 😭

[kind helm]

i dont respect it but i like it enough and i am okay at it, perfect for job. i have heard how job ruins passion

can't ruin anything if i never had much passion in it

[calm pulsar]

I mean it's a very broad field of expertise so you're probably fine

[kind helm]

yee ignoring the competition and looking only at the area of machine learning, everything nowadays is machine learning, hopefully ez money

[chilly mural]

if it doesn't crash and burn

[kind helm]

that i can't even imagine how it would happen

[chilly mural]

Can't also imagine, they're trying their best to keep it going. Can't wait for nuclear energy part.

[tropic urchin]

I find the whole “mY jOb Is My PaSsIoN” LinkedIn rhetoric to be kinda nonsense. As long as you find your overlap between being able to afford to live and not completely hating your life you should be fine

[kind helm]

W take

[tropic urchin]

I see it everywhere and it drives me up a wall bc like all those ppl would quit their jobs IMMEDIATELY if they won any large sum of money

[kind helm]

[chilly mural]

Me just want job that gives me time and money to do what I actually want to do

like writing story, song, and roleplaying with AI

[tropic urchin]

Finding a job that pays decently well with good W/L balance is rare but extremely worthwhile

So you can afford to buy artisan keycaps and play with them

[kind helm]

i am sure within whatever passion, it doesn't include dealing with dumbass(the HR and certain type of management people), and writing bs reports for particular events or tasks

[chilly mural]

Not sure how it is in my place since it's not exactly in a city.

[kind helm]

song is really different from the rest

people from ee with experience in signal processing doing some crazy s44t with that

[chilly mural]

ehh, I just avoid the technical stuff for the things I like to do for fun.

[kind helm]

so you just using the tools

[chilly mural]

Yep, pen and paper

[kind helm]

nah thats fun too

[calm pulsar]

im getting me a custom guitar made and relearning to play like I did some time ago 😄

[tropic urchin]

Gibson Les Paul? 👀

[calm pulsar]

im more of a strat guy hehe

[tropic urchin]

My first was a Strat and that’s what I wanted so bad 🤣

[calm pulsar]

I have a mexican strat rn, but also waiting for a custom from a russian luthier

[tropic urchin]

The honey gibsons were my dream guitar for so long

[kind helm]

btw some small things i learned, more detailed prompt gives you better results. you can even do fine tuning if you know the area a bit. i read this one paper that mentioned something like "the ai's intelligence is a reflection of the user's intelligence"

kinda interesting

[calm pulsar]

yeah I love les pauls for their internals and specs, but the ergonomics of strats

so getting a fixed bridge HH strat

[kind helm]

will we get a guitar sound test on your youtube channel

[chilly mural]

To a point and it depends on the AI. If the AI isn't limited on its vocabulary, or not actually having some of its knowledge stripped off due to being pruned during pretrain.

[calm pulsar]

I might upload some covers hehe

[kind helm]

i used to listen to some russian stuff when i was watching s1mple on twitch/youtube, but i never knew what the songs were, some of them kinda gud

[chilly mural]

can't make the AI write like Shakespeare if it doesn't know who is Shakespeare

[tropic urchin]

Omg omg omg omg god switches out for delivery @calm pulsar

[chilly mural]

but you can also prompt it to write in the same style as him, just a bit tricky on that.

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/yessss-hell-yeah-brother-gif-22960551

[calm pulsar]

lol nice, he probably doesnt listen to that anymore though 😄

[calm pulsar]

less go

[kind helm]

yea you know whatsup

[tropic urchin]

Frankenswitch and god switch box stem review Inc

[kind helm]

watch it doesn't fit with anything else

that be fcked

[chilly mural]

That's what I do to make my own AI waifu/Making the AI replicate another person without any knowledge of them.

[tropic urchin]

Same top and bottom material as pros so doubt it wouldn’t fit

Worst case it was only $18 for 90

[calm pulsar]

same material doesnt mean they would fit 100%, but they seem to be black knights just with closed bottom, so if that's the case the raw stem should go right in there

[tropic urchin]

Geon Jade Gods are finally able to be realized

[kind helm]

does knights bottom housing fit with raw

[tropic urchin]

I feel like goku when he ascends in DB super

[calm pulsar]

it does fit with raw top and BK stem, which makes for a nice open bottom switch

[kind helm]

thats good

[tropic urchin]

I feel like it would take a rather large discrepancy for it to not fit Ala dual rail in the maxes

[kind helm]

ooh has to be bk stem?

because sticky rice box stem with its own bottom housing and raw stem with its different bottom housing, they don't fit. i don't know if that is a box stem thing

or a sticky rice thing

[calm pulsar]

not "has to be" but it is recommended to use the stem from a closed bottom stem with a closed bottom housing, and the same for open bottoms

just to avoid any issues with magnet force and stuff

but for the most part it would probably work fine

[kind helm]

yet you do raw stem with jade pro bottom housing

absolute mad lad

[calm pulsar]

yeah but they are both closed bottoms

well maybe there are some inconsistencies with the different travel distances they are originally made for, but I've been fine so far

in games as well

[kind helm]

raw is opened though

or i misunderstood

[calm pulsar]

well they are functionally closed bottom, as in the stem hits the plastic at the bottom, so the travel distance is like on a closed bottom switch

the hole in there is just for sound I guess

[kind helm]

ic

[calm pulsar]

on jades the bottom is filled with plastic to the point where the switch travels 3.5mm

on raws there is a plastic ring that is raised above 4mm level resulting in 3.4mm distance

that's my observation at least

so you kinda can't have a closed bottom 4.0mm switch

[tropic urchin]

I almost feel bad for my maxes, they’re all going to be dead switchy messes after I harvest their internal springs

[chilly mural]

give them another spring

[kind helm]

worth, at least they are not just collecting dust

[tropic urchin]

Too much time 🥲

With another spring they’re still going to suck anyway

[tropic urchin]

Salvaging what’s good 🙏🏻

[kind helm]

maybe the top housing can be useful

but the dual rail bottom and the stem

[tropic urchin]

Apparently not due to the dual rail bc that’s what I wanted to do originally but the tolerances apparently aren’t great

Worst case the Geon Jade gods don’t sound good and my raws will just have a gold spring instead

But unlikely

[kind helm]

17.5mm

[tropic urchin]

We must defeat arc’s jade knights for supremacy

[kind helm]

give me 200 i try to mix and match something better

actually i can probably spend a bit more, since i stopped drinking, i am like saving 140 per month

i think the neo and raw combo is definitely worth doing, plus a longer spring. the wobble is W on that

i wish i can build a full board of neo raw

and see what it sounds like

[calm pulsar]

im gonna do that myself by building an MX board😂

[tropic urchin]

I might build a MX board down the line for when I’m in office

This Logitech membrane feels like wet ass

[kind helm]

another 70 raws and 60 neos costs 70 something dollars

[kind helm]

did you actually try using the 22mm double stage?

i am tempted again

[calm pulsar]

from aliexpress?

[kind helm]

i think that is the missing piece of the neo + raw combo

yea

[calm pulsar]

its trash

not good quality

upstroke is not strong like on 20mm jade pro/max spring

[stone flax]

fun fact

[kind helm]

yea i remember you mentioning that but did you actually put it on a board and try it, imagine if its suprisingly good

[stone flax]

shitty random aliexpress springs

are shitty

and random

[kind helm]

oh ye you did try it

[kind helm]

fun fact, not many options right now for buying just the spring for he

:V

[stone flax]

? everyone knows this

[calm pulsar]

they just took a normal spring like on lekkers and made it longer, you can almost see it by the small amount of spring coils there are xd

[stone flax]

either buy a pros or maxes for long springs

or stick to tried and true aftermarket options

[calm pulsar]

thats what I thought at least

[tropic urchin]

I wish Gateron let you bulk buy their new springs 🥲

[kind helm]

like?

i only know lekker and geon for now

[stone flax]

the alr existing lekker spring or geons

and not aliexpress?

idk tho

🤷

[calm pulsar]

geon needs to make pingless 20mm springs

[kind helm]

that be funny

[kind helm]

yea the one they selling is hella short

i wonder the reasoning

[calm pulsar]

well I used 62.5g ones from geon the most and they are snappy, but due to spring force and not the length of it

[kind helm]

wasn't mx already going toward that longer spring trend

[calm pulsar]

yeah most switches I see are 20-22mm springs

MX ones

[kind helm]

yea

[kind helm]

idk man, i don't trust aliexpress stores either, but you know, what if

what if :3

[stone flax]

;d

[calm pulsar]

I mean the one stage 20mm ones COULD be better than the dual stage ones

cause I feel like they made them dual stage but shitty, so maybe one stage ones are a bit better quality

but they could be also shitty as well xd

22mm even

[kind helm]

i see 2 stores that are basically selling the same springs. 18.5mm is the longest one

[calm pulsar]

its cause they have a lot of force

but the ones I posted are the same length I assume

no matter the spring force

https://sl.aliexpress.ru/p?key=G0e4rbt
you can just change the region and you should be able to see the listing

[kind helm]

i found the one you sent

hopefully the 18.5mm one

looks like the top and bottom of the spring is different

the bottom picture has more coils on top and bottom, similar to lekker spring

the 22mm double stage one pretty much look as weak as the 22mm single stage one

yea i think maybe how dense the coils are matters? (below is the picture of jade pro)

[calm pulsar]

lol its just a render

I dont remember em being so dense

[kind helm]

i can't find a real image so fast so i was just using their website as like a reference

bruh online reviews just do sound test, they don't open them

[polar girder]

Yeah i want dense and long and gold and high quality and silent and pingless and light

Ok thanks

[calm pulsar]

sooo just a lubed jade pro/max spring

[kind helm]

isn't jade pro supposedly 20mm

think i saw somewhere max is like 18 or something

[polar girder]

Guess ao

[final merlin]

Hi guys this is basically my mouse n mousepad
any keyboard keycaps n case that wld go well with it

wooting 60he btw : )

[kind helm]

https://cannonkeys.com/collections/keycaps
https://kineticlabs.com/keycaps
for the cheaper ones.

https://novelkeys.com/collections/keycaps
for expensive s44t

https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps
https://divinikey.com/collections/keycap-sets
mix of cheaper and more expensive ones

(For US)

pick yourself :V who knows what YOU THINK goes well

also should probably consider what color is your case that would work with the caps

[tropic urchin]

The white and gold alumaze case is probably a good start

[final merlin]

im thinking of black case

and white keycaps with black text idk

[final merlin]

i doubt theres any keycaps thats clean with black yellow n white

[kind helm]

https://cannonkeys.com/products/ws-cafe btw in case you are interested

[final merlin]

100$ for keycaps r brutal

ill buy em tho

whats the difference between ali and cannonkeys

[tropic urchin]

If you don’t love $100+ keycaps then you don’t love custom boards.. /s

[final merlin]

yea but dont u think its kind of odd that u can basically get same thing off ali for like 70% below

possibly same quality

[tropic urchin]

Normal GMK prices are kinda wild, but clones are going to be worse quality

[ionic breach]

what region are u in btw?

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar these god switches stock don’t even sound that bad 💀💀

$0.2 per switch ftw?

That’s fucking crazy

[kind helm]

did you try to franken yet

[tropic urchin]

Not yet

Not a great test, but all I have for rn

This is the god switches stock

[kind helm]

in school cant listen

[tropic urchin]

I’m gonna make a Jade god when I go for lunch

Idk I’m low key impressed with them for being a box stem

Maybe ASUS’s box stems are just trash idk

[inland fern]

it sounds like a switch

[kind helm]

box switch can be good

[tropic urchin]

It would need to pass the keyboard test, but the sound + smoothness was similar to RAWs

I wasn’t expecting much, but they’re not bad

[kind helm]

is it open bottom too?

[tropic urchin]

Closed

[kind helm]

how tf does it sound similar to raw

raw is not like lekker open but still relatively muted compare to like neo

man wish i can hear it

[tropic urchin]

Could just be the GMKs, but I had a similar experience with both but only being able to use a switch opener doesn’t paint the full picture

[kind helm]

just press on the switch close to your ear

[tropic urchin]

I have

[kind helm]

cant do that with mic though

mic i think needs a certain quality to pick up details. on my mic raw got no ping

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I don’t have a streamer mic so it’s not going to be of that quality

[untold wigeon]

Yeah great game. Game mode selector disappeared

[little glen]

you dont need to select game mode just do whatever the devs want you to

[tropic urchin]

Like uninstall for example

[untold wigeon]

Seriously.

I’m trying to learn to play on controller but this stupid game makes it impossible

[split dagger]

Im making my first custom board kinda. I custom modded my wooting but never custom built a whole thing and this is what im getting

What you guys think

[tropic urchin]

they lost me 100% after they made MW2 only 1 year long before releasing MW3 slop and having WZ just be an AA nightmare

[ionic breach]

no

[split dagger]

?

[ionic breach]

i was gunna make a joke about lcd screens going to hell but it doesnt seem too funny

looks nice, what mount is that?

[split dagger]

Oh I just picked that case because it matched the keycaps lol

[split dagger]

CIDOO V75 Plus VIA Kit

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar left is the Geon Jade God 👀

I’m not sure I hear too much of a difference

[cedar kernel]

To be honest this might offend a lot of people here but to me they all sound like keys and keyboards 😂😂

[tropic urchin]

you are not wrong at all

you have to be either be slightly on the spectrum or neurotic to create your own switch

waiting for the white zinc will do that to a person

[cedar kernel]

Yeah but I get the whole enthusiast thing and trying stuff out, I personally can't really say anything since this will be my first "enthusiast level" keyboard

The Lekkers should be good enough for a beginner and then maybe I might experiment in the future for starters this is enough for me

[cedar kernel]

Well yeah, I ordered 2-3 days ago and I've been on this discord just obsessing these will be a long 2-3 months

[tropic urchin]

I ordered late july and august-october wasnt too bad but the last min delays for white zinc have been brutal

@calm pulsar these have as much top stem wobble as my current ASUS switches. the dream is dead

[cedar kernel]

Wait so you ordered a white zinc ? Wouldn't it be a solution to paint it yourself and get the black one sooner ?

[tropic urchin]

yeah, i mean i'll mod mine to hell and back but im not going to become a painter for it

[candid cloud]

nah white zinc v1 is the get free $40 voucher hack

lowkey

[cedar kernel]

It's honestly not as hard as you might think, I painted some GPU plastics

To get a full black build

But maybe try it out on a cheap keyboard first

[tropic urchin]

id rather just use the $40 on the V2 if theres any issues

and its a collectors item in V1 state

[cedar kernel]

Sure

[tropic urchin]

It looks like the Geon Jade Gods are dead, but the Gateron RAWs will rise from their ashes

[fluid ravine]

[kind helm]

did you try putting on your board

[tropic urchin]

I don’t have a 60HE or my white zinc so it’s not possible

[kind helm]

with the case and plate echo maybe different

[tropic urchin]

That’s my current POV

[kind helm]

imposter!

[tropic urchin]

It’s not my fault the white zinc got an additional delay that wasn’t updated when Hipyo ruined my hopes and dreams

[kind helm]

what did hipyo do

[tropic urchin]

He started the white zinc hysteria

[kind helm]

xD

[tropic urchin]

When his review came out like there were hundreds of “OH MY GOD IM SO CONCERNED ITS PERMANEKTLY SCRATCHED AHHHHHHH”

Meanwhile it’s just a graphite streak

[kind helm]

i think the ONLY thing that keeps him so popular is the rate he uploads

[tropic urchin]

And then the white zinc batch was immediately removed from production without our knowledge and then it was updated in the last few weeks to reflect that it left production in September

[kind helm]

xDDDDDDDDD

[tropic urchin]

RAWs with jade max spring will just have to suffice

[kind helm]

what happened to you 60he then

[tropic urchin]

I never had one

[kind helm]

[tropic urchin]

Brother look at my other roles

[kind helm]

what are the 3 white ones

bridge? champion?

[tropic urchin]

Idk why I’m in na champion, but NA bridge and bridge white zinc are the 80HE ones

The weird champion role came with whatever weird update they did for the 2-3 week delay

[kind helm]

you are a champion for getting fcked over

W marketing skill

LMAO

[tropic urchin]

💀😭😭😭😭😭

That’s fucked up but not entirely wrong

[kind helm]

nah its entirely right

at least they care enough to refine it though

unless they can just send you a plastic case one and then ship you the zinc seperately

but plastic case is too expensive

[tropic urchin]

The plastic is like $10 wdym

[kind helm]

[tropic urchin]

It’s been like 75% off for a while

[tropic urchin]

The only good thing is the V1 is going to be a collectors item so if mine is blemish free it’s now unobtanium

[kind helm]

its kinda like stock 60he

its a fcked up

but its a collection piece

did they tell you when you getting it?

[tropic urchin]

It’s been November 28-December 9th for the last like 3 weeks

It hasn’t left mass production yet, but we’re due for an update at some point this week or next according to mark

I’m expecting it to come sometime early December to mid December if holiday NA shipping throws any curve balls

[kind helm]

i am building a tofu60 with wooting 60 plate mount pcb later the day. if my venom60he arrives, i can sell you mine

i am waiting on the brass weight that is out for delivery right now, hopefully it magically solve all the sound issue i hate about tofu

[tropic urchin]

Appreciate it the sentiment 🙏

If I do get another keeb it’ll prob be for work

[tulip rapids]

wdym venom60he

got pics?

[kind helm]

its just a pcb

[tulip rapids]

oh okay

[kind helm]

if you want fun case in stock right now, think the only option is salvation

or maybe you can find frog mini somewhere

[tawdry horizon]

Just ordered my Geon Raw HE switches and returned my Jade Maxes

[tropic urchin]

I wish they made Jade pros with clear housing, but the RAWs will treat you better than the maxes 🫡

[kind helm]

rgb is L anyway

[tawdry horizon]

I’m sure the rgb is good on the raw HEs tho

But yeah heard raw HEs are similar to raptor HEs

[tropic urchin]

They’ll probably be like 90% of the maxes at full force

Smoothness will trump the last 10% RGB

[tawdry horizon]

I’m cool with that

[tropic urchin]

The Wooting already has cracked out RGB so it’ll still be fine

[tropic urchin]

L take merchant

[tawdry horizon]

Y’all got a pic of the rgb on the raw HEs would love to see for myself

[kind helm]

cringe gamer s44t

[tropic urchin]

You can’t be a cringe gamer without the Jade gaming switches /s

[kind helm]

this is not all out btw

[tropic urchin]

120% LFG

[kind helm]

that is only 70%

this one is 100%

[calm pulsar]

noooo
I guess pure raws would be better then
or try just lower from gods for a diff sound, unless it makes it wobble more

[tropic urchin]

As in the lilac bottoms with RAW upper @calm pulsar?

[calm pulsar]

yeah

[tropic urchin]

I’ll give it a try after work, but so far it’s looking like RAW with max spring

[calm pulsar]

provided it works together

[calm pulsar]

yeah that is still viable

[tropic urchin]

The stock god switch sounds on par with the RAWs but the stem wobble is as bad as you’d expect $0.2 switches would be

[calm pulsar]

dang I guess they arent closed bottom black knights after all

[tropic urchin]

It has a gross amount of stem wobble if you try to finger move the key cap without applying force

[tropic urchin]

I want my 1,764 rubles back

[kind helm]

if it wobbles you can hear it no?

or i am dumb

or both 😄

[tropic urchin]

I think it’s primarily a feel thing

[calm pulsar]

k send them to me

[tropic urchin]

As in you feel it shifting with barely any force versus it being almost perfectly still with good tolerances

That would actually be hilarious

[kind helm]

i mean like if it would wobble, it maybe more scratchy -> less clean sound

[calm pulsar]

I guess just less clean noisier sound

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar I really wish they made Jade pros with clear RGB housing 😭

All I ever wanted

Gateron: “I heard you were interested in dual rail technology”

[kind helm]

bro haven't even got his board and is already thinking rgb is not bright enough to blind him

[calm pulsar]

tbh raws are probably like 80-90 of maxes rgb strength

who knows maybe they are even the same cause white reflects lights more

[calm pulsar]

lol true

nah really its gonna be fine

[kind helm]

yea i think the rgb on it is hella bright

[kind helm]

that is taken with daylight shining into the room

[tropic urchin]

If the Jade pros didn’t have a blueish green backbleed I probably would’ve just gotten those 🥲

And would’ve lived happily ever after in blissful ignorance

[kind helm]

why not just use raw

white color

JOIN THE CULT

[calm pulsar]

yeah would be an easier choice but their (jade pros) lower would have still affected rgb

hell even the bottom of the keycap affects lighter or white rgb colors

[tropic urchin]

I have

[tropic urchin]

That’s the unfortunate part

It’s whatever, the unused parts will just go into my box to be forgotten about

RAWs with jade max springs feel great so it’s not a complete loss, but would’ve been nice to not be Gateron scammed with maxes as being a meh switch

That is the pioneer tax unfortunately

[stone flax]

gateron scam

no duh

their best switches cost less than a tenth of maxes

[tulip rapids]

can i use the springs from wooting for my geon raws?

[kind helm]

i did that, better than raw spring

tainted raw he

[tulip rapids]

really?

you prefer them over the ones from geon website

[kind helm]

i never tried the ones from geon

[tulip rapids]

oh okay

this is my first time buying springs

[kind helm]

wooting didn't give information about the length of the lekker spring on the website it seems

the ones i am using is from lekker v1 45g

they are slightly longer than the raw he's

i think geon pingless is the same length as the raw he (this you should be able to check, because unlike wooting, geon knows how to do custom keyboard )

[tulip rapids]

what the difference between the pingless and normal he one?

no pinging sound?

[kind helm]

supposedly yes

[tulip rapids]

does it make it sound deeper too?

[kind helm]

it would be some voodoo magic if it does

[tulip rapids]

fair

i need to talk to someone who has the pingless springs

[muted sapphire]

yeah

i did

i got the 100g ones for a couple of switches

they fit and work perfectly fine

[tulip rapids]

lekkers are 60g right?

[muted sapphire]

you don't have to but lubing them and relubing the switch when ur changing the spring is gonna make it even better

[muted sapphire]

the l60 ones yeah

the "blue green" ones

[tulip rapids]

yeah i was planning on relubing everything

[muted sapphire]

the yellow ones are 45

everything

damn

[tulip rapids]

the ones from wooting come prelube? the springs?

[muted sapphire]

no no

are you talking about the spring pack or the actual spring from the switch

[tulip rapids]

spring pack

[muted sapphire]

oh no they come dry

luckily

[tulip rapids]

okay good

[muted sapphire]

it would be a mess😭

u don't need to relube them btw

like the raws HE have pretty good factory lube

[stone flax]

yay

[kind helm]

👀 please tell me that is a venom60he and you got the daughter board to work

[stone flax]

......

😭

[kind helm]

idk dude maybe you just used the case or somethin

my brass weight arrived, time to try it

[burnt gust]

Where can I find durable doubleshot PBT Landscape Keycaps?

[stone flax]

landscape keycaps?

[burnt gust]

like wave of kanagawa keycaps?

keycaps that have art on them

[stone flax]

so something like this in mind?

basically

or this type of keycap

[burnt gust]

Yeah, exactly

[stone flax]

well then

it doesnt exist

[burnt gust]

Oh

[stone flax]

double shot pbt cant create these designs

[burnt gust]

What about just plain dark Red keycaps with the words being grey instead of white?

[burnt gust]

Thanks for letting me know this

[stone flax]

switches?

do u mean keycaps by any chance

[burnt gust]

keycaps sorry I wasn't paying attention

[stone flax]

ya okie

[little glen]

"truly minimalist design" maximalist ass keycaps

[stone flax]

i can try looking for some but off the top of my head i remember there being beige on red

are you set on grey legends tho

[burnt gust]

Yeah, just don't know where to look, I'm looking on amazon but can't find anything that look nice

[stone flax]

ya

so

do u wanna know the name of the caps i just linked the image for

[burnt gust]

Yeah, that would be nice to know

[stone flax]

kkb cherry

also lies that one dcx set

uhhh

nah thats white

pyga is another off white

beige

[burnt gust]

Are the keycaps on unikeys?

[stone flax]

also this with darker mods

[stone flax]

i think so

unikeys carries a lot of kkb stuff

[burnt gust]

what does kkb stand for?

Or is it just a brand name?

[stone flax]

keykobo

[stone flax]

yes

manufacturer/company

[burnt gust]

Ah

Wow the keycaps are sold out on unikeys

[vague stag]

looking for another mechanical keyboard. Currently I have my sights on Mode Envoy, Neo75 or Meletrix Zoom75 Tiga. Do you have any other suggestions?

anyone have experience with Luminkey?

kinda want a trimode, but have heard that mode keyboards are good

[stone flax]

not the mode board

if we're just talking about retail config prices

meletrix got their own shit too

[vague stag]

what are u basing your opinion on?

[stone flax]

uhhhhh new zoom board that is trimode + screen + "via" support

so expect that to be chalked

and unless meletrix cs has somehow done a full 180 since i last checked thats probably also eh

mode boards are just overpriced

if u wanted one u can find it on mm or something to come with a shit ton of extras for less than retail

[vague stag]

thx

what is MM? 😄 s

so many to choose from I am going crazy

just need another recommendation, what do buy

and then I can google it myself

[stone flax]

mechmarket

[burnt gust]

I may just wait for wooting to come out with their "Take Control" keycap style in red

Mixing red with purple would be cool as well

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar the god switch bottoms since they’re closed does give it a little more pop

It’s not a very large difference but it does make it sound a little brighter overall

[burnt gust]

Are we allowed to link keycaps on websites?

I'm asking to see if the keycaps I found should be fine to use with my 60HE

[uneven cradle]

You are

Just try to take the tracking out if it's a great big link

[burnt gust]

Okay

How do I do that?

[uneven cradle]

Usually there's a ? Before all the useless tracking info

[stone flax]

www.stuffstuffstuff.com/wjieaj-awneanusidhihsd/?_trackingtrackingtracking

remove everything after the ?

[burnt gust]

Doesn't seem to work?

It's an Etsy link

[uneven cradle]

If you want a list of verified vendors that's easy to recommend there's Alexotos' list

[stone flax]

etsy keycaps?

[uneven cradle]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[stone flax]

uh oh

[burnt gust]

Bruh my brain forgot KBDFans existed I found so many nice keycaps on there one time

[stone flax]

skibidifans

[burnt gust]

bruh

[queen merlin]

Hello! Quick question about swapping switches

Does any linear, magnetic/hall-affect switch work with full functionality? As in I will retain rapid trigger, and my actuation point?

[burnt gust]

Swapping switches to other Gateron HE switches?

[queen merlin]

Cause I’m in the market for a different set of switches on my 60HE+, preferably something heavier

[queen merlin]

Most likely Gateron, yeah. I’ve been browsing everything but am not sure if most are compatible or not

All I know for certain is that they must be magnetic obviously

[burnt gust]

I'm not sure, I have a stock 60HE so don't know too much about how strong the magnet needs to be to where it won't interfere with the other magnets on the PCB for actuation

Also is GMK Keycaps reputable?

[uneven cradle]

We have a list of compatible switches #🪛│modding_faq message

[queen merlin]

Thank you so much, gonna go look through there now

[uneven cradle]

The website? No

If you're buying GMK buy it through one of the vendors I linked in the website above

The websites that pop up when you search for gmk are all fake

[burnt gust]

That's good to know, thank you for letting me know that

[uneven cradle]

Yeah anything with "gmkkeycaps" or something similar isn't a real website

[stone flax]

[stone flax]

NO

[stone flax]

aftermarket he switches dont usually tend outside 60g if ur currently on l60's

what do u currently have

u might end up having to opt for springswapping

[queen merlin]

L60s

[stone flax]

well then

[queen merlin]

I was just looking at the compatible switch list, and yeah I'll have to swap

[stone flax]

spring swap

[queen merlin]

What would be the next step up from the L60 springs, the L70?

Cause I would prefer something just a bit heavier

[stone flax]

these conform to bottom out weights

so the l70 would bottom out at 10g heavier

lengths can also play a factor a bit

[burnt gust]

Are glourious keycaps good for a wooting keyboard?

[kind helm]

@stone flax brass weight is magic

[stone flax]

glorious keycaps arent good on anything

glorious anything arent good on anything

[burnt gust]

Oh

[stone flax]

mf's steal designs and pump out the most wack caps on the planet

[kind helm]

what do you think about the sound :3

i don't think its as good as salvation, but definitely better than using cotton

[stone flax]

sounds like a keyboard aww hell yea brother

[kind helm]

sound like a keyboard

i will take it, thank you sir

i did use tape though

not to tape the whole pcb, but tape the 4 spots of the screws, so its not making direct contact, seems to be a tiny bit more gentle

[jaunty ruin]

should i the painter tape space bar mod on my otherwise stock 60he?

and/or are there any other recommended easy-to-do mods for a 60he?

[stone flax]

fix ur stabs

if they rattle or tick

tape mod is easily reversible

using less stand offs standoffs or trying burger-mount to alleviate stiffness

[kind helm]

mj, have you used tofu60 before or you went for frog mini directly

i kinda wanna try a different oring but i am not sure how the stiffness of the oring affects the board

[burnt gust]

Is drop a good website to shop for keycaps?

[kind helm]

personally i dont think so, but some people like it

[burnt gust]

Tried looking for red keycaps but I can't find any that stand out to me

[dapper sonnet]

what switches make the wooting sound the best? (not the jades i just think they are too clacky)

[kind helm]

you like salmon?

[burnt gust]

If it was all red yes

[stone flax]

raws

bc yes

[burnt gust]

What do the raws sound like?

[kind helm]

depends on the case and the mod that has been done to the board. but it is smooth and not much wobble, which means you get a relatively clear sound to work from

[burnt gust]

That sounds cool

[kind helm]

https://divinikey.com/collections/keycap-sets/products/keykobo-cherries-keycap-set

[burnt gust]

Yeah, those kind of switches

[kind helm]

the base set is all red

90 dollars, 5 dollars shipping probably

if you are in us

[burnt gust]

Without the custom print on some of the keys?

[stone flax]

wdym?

the novelties?

they come with

[kind helm]

you can choose

[burnt gust]

Like the enter key looks odd

[jaunty ruin]

sounds very nice imo

[stone flax]

yea

[kind helm]

the best part is that this set is by keykobo so i think mj approves

[stone flax]

thats the novelty enter

u can use the normal one

got three to choose from

one is kinda translucent tho

god the kitting in this one is so aids

holy

7 enter keys

waow

actually

8

wtf

[burnt gust]

How do I go about ordering?

for a 60% keeb?

I'm in the US so

[stone flax]

they dont do smaller kitting

the base kit is the base kit

it has all the keys u need

[kind helm]

just buy from the link i show

[stone flax]

the thing u have in ur mind is a different sales model

[kind helm]

divinikey is in cali

[stone flax]

like the one geon did for evil dolch the split

[kind helm]

IF you wanna get this set that is

[stone flax]

60 percent ansi base

for 40

🫢

[kind helm]

cannonkey has similar stuff, but not for something as good as gmk though damn

40?

[stone flax]

depending on the set yeah nicepbt can be good

diff type of caps tho

thick dyesub pbt

[burnt gust]

ABS material is an L for me

[stone flax]

how so

shining?

[burnt gust]

My hands sweat easily

[dapper sonnet]

i heard a sound test and i really liked it thanks ima probably buy it

also does anyone know when the wooting x optimum collab case is coming out?

[burnt gust]

The dracula key caps look nice

[uneven cradle]

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/sanders-colonel-sanders-dark-helmet-when-will-then-be-now-how-soon-gif-25062380

[marsh saffron]

I wish more sets would offer 60% base kits

X-ray would've been so much cheaper

[untold wigeon]

But then you would spend less. lol

[marsh saffron]

😭

160 cad for me to only use 60%

[untold wigeon]

Get a display.

[kind helm]

for a set of caps that has the alphas and numbers missing

[fluid ravine]

@kind helm

[kind helm]

[stone flax]

explain

[kind helm]

i am like thinking of getting some tiny poron pads for gasket mount and tape them on to the standoffs

[fluid ravine]

hm wsp?

abt what i did?

[kind helm]

switching away from cotton or polyfill because the brass weight is hella good

[stone flax]

ya

[fluid ravine]

yknow how i usually run friciton mount with polyfill?

and get that bounce and shit

[stone flax]

v b nv bnvbnvbnvbnvbnvbn

[fluid ravine]

i was trying to find an alternative mod to not use foam while also getting that bounce

i found these small poron adhesive strips and cut them to sive and put placed the on the case posts

[kind helm]

perfect

link please :3

[fluid ravine]

so like you see

[stone flax]

:3

;3

[kind helm]

[fluid ravine]

it came with my monitor arm

[kind helm]

ah s44t

[fluid ravine]

lmfao

yeah

[kind helm]

i am looking at like accessaries for existing boards

[fluid ravine]

m

[kind helm]

maybe they sell extra there

[fluid ravine]

im surprised there's like barely ping or hollowness

well like hella a lot less than i though

[kind helm]

i mean you do have a piece of wood there at least

not just empty space :3

[tropic urchin]

scarlet keycaps

[jade storm]

so fucking good

[fluid ravine]

thanks crim

[kind helm]

https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Thick-Adhesive-Weather-Strip/dp/B07L6M4PN1

that is one long ass link

but this seems about right

was the one you use thicker than "normal" gasket mount pad or around the same size

[jade storm]

https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Thick-Adhesive-Weather-Strip/dp/B07L6M4PN1?

[kind helm]

maybe i just get the thinner one and if i need just stack it

[fluid ravine]

like prob half the size of a standard poron gasket

since im puting it on a post

just a guess

[kind helm]

eva instead of poron

[kind helm]

thanks

got a pack, arrives tomorrow

can't wait to see whats up

[untold wigeon]

I’m so sad right now. Too much gaming apparently.

This is the first time I’ve broken a cap from normal use. Left shift so I guess it gets extra use.

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/condolences-sympathy-sympathies-sorry-for-your-loss-thoughts-and-prayers-gif-17653134644755216408

[untold wigeon]

Sucks. $50 set. I wish they came with extra

[stone flax]

shenpo could never

[kind helm]

what key cap is that, the one keyi ever broke was ctrl. logitech keyboard though. amazon a bunch of the same problem

[hidden nymph]

man i can update to the new update v2.9.1 with the Wooting 60HE , anyone having the same issues?

[untold wigeon]

Set from Drop. Artifact Bloom Glow

[kind helm]

ofc its drop. unfortunate my dude. but maybe on the bright side

new keycaps new fun

[untold wigeon]

It’s a full set. Is there another cap in the set that isn’t used in 60% that would be the same size?

[untold wigeon]

They are 3 years old. They had a good run.

[stone flax]

if u can why are u asking if we have issues

[kind helm]

thats w

[cedar gate]

Holy how much did you spam sneak

[untold wigeon]

3 years worth of sprint. lol

[cedar gate]

If you bought it from pbtfans you can get a replacement for like 4$

Looks like wooting tho

[untold wigeon]

Nah, Drop

[cedar gate]

Oh I would ask anyway

Customer service

[untold wigeon]

Yeah worth a try

[stone flax]

keyboards

neither one mx

[round scarab]

What’s the one on the right? Alps?

[tropic urchin]

@stray tiger I put the key cap on my current board to test out the spring and this completes the vision perfectly 🫡

[hallow wing]

hi first time doing keyboard modding and i dont wnna do anything too crazy as i mainly game/code i am planning getting the WS Dash Hall Effect Switchs and then these from wooting, (for the keycaps any1 have anything they recommend for prints on the front instead of top) do you guys recommend anything else?

[stone flax]

why dashes

[stray tiger]

Let's see it!

[hallow wing]

saw a vid and they just sounded really nice

idk anything about switches

[stone flax]

they are literally just overpriced jade recolors

which are in turn worse than raws

[hallow wing]

what would u recommend?

[stone flax]

raws

or jades if u wanna keep it all on the site

but literally

dashes are just jades with a purple stem and a huge markup

lol

[hallow wing]

raws as in stock?

[stone flax]

no

[agile grove]

geon raw he

[stone flax]

as in geonworks raw he

[hallow wing]

i just want somethin that sounds nice and feels good

[stone flax]

raws

[hallow wing]

and how about everything else?

[stone flax]

just to be sure

is this including the module

?

i dont see it

[tropic urchin]

I’ll keep it to one side to not spoil the future Wooting build

[agile grove]

they probably already have a 60he

[tropic urchin]

Gonna look even better on white zinc

[stone flax]

probably

lets make that a certainty

[hallow wing]

no i alr have a 60he

[stone flax]

well then

if you like everything u added to ur cart

thats pretty much all fine

reduced travel switches might necessitate long pole stabs or spacers if ur setup becomes prone to see-sawing or u feeling it bothers you

but other than that

if u like how it all looks then ur good

do you plan to relube ur raws and tune ur stabs?

[hallow wing]

Maybe

Wdym tune tho

I legit know nothing about this stuff

[stone flax]

do ur stabs tick and/or rattle

[hallow wing]

uhhh i think they rattle

[calm pulsar]

venom

[calm pulsar]

👀

[grand ferry]

Why are jades so loud

[calm pulsar]

closed bottom
also depends on your plate

[grand ferry]

Got the stock plate

[calm pulsar]

yeah the stock steel one is generally louder

[grand ferry]

Just got the lekker l45 v2 they’re so quiet 😩

[nimble spruce]

does anyone think geon raw he 40g r too light?

[robust siren]

naw

its perfect

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[quiet pendant]

Hey guys! I got a question as I'm very new keyboards. If I wanted to go with a new case (Tofu60 Redux Case), do I need to buy one of the plates to be able to switch? Thanks.

[fluid ravine]

No you don't, if you're purchasing the case and you already have your module or your prebuilt 60HE, all you need to purchase is the case and the brass weight being optional, nothing else.

[nimble spruce]

hi guys for the 80he, im going with geon raw he switches and stock keycaps, any good recommendations for stabilizers that wont cause issues?

[paper bloom]

Knight stabilizer

v2

[nimble spruce]

tyyyy

[cedar kernel]

TX Stabilizers 1.6mm, that's what someone recommended me though

You can look into both see if you find any more information

[glacial wind]

stick with stock, then if you have issues either buy geon stem spacers for $5 or knight v2 long pole/tx ap long pole

but don't just buy the stabs unless you actually have issues with them - waste of money

[cedar kernel]

Yeah that's something I can agree with, I'm gonna be trying stock Lekkers and stock stabilizers and maybe in the future change if I notice any problems

To be fair the stabilizers and Geon Raw HE would amount to about 70-80euro it's not that much when you are already spending a lot on a keyboard like this 😂

[glacial wind]

i'd honestly bet 50% of the people buying new stabs end up worse off with their new stabs than if they just kept it stock

because they mess up something in the install and it comes out worse than if they just used the stock stabs

[cedar kernel]

How can you mess it up wouldn't it be just screw in ?

Maybe some grease

[glacial wind]

Improperly seated, too much grease, too little grease, unbalanced wires

A lot of folks also don’t realize they can literally just grease and tune the stock stabs to get a top tier stab too

[cedar kernel]

Can you link a tutorial you think is good ? I saw lots of folks lightly lubing the switches and then for stabilizers just put what I thought is a lot on it so I'm not sure if that was correct 😂

[glacial wind]

the thing is it depends on the stab too. There are good tutorials but the lubing will change a little bit based on the type of stab

some stabs use heavy greases, some don't. Even some have wires built differently these days

main thing is finding a guide that fits the stab you're using because the lubing method will change a bit

[cedar kernel]

Ah okay so for example you'd search up TX Stabilizers 1.6mm and find a tutorial for them, got it

[glacial wind]

yep

[dreamy dock]

whats the best case foam in your opinion?

[muted sapphire]

idk i got them and i like them

[muted sapphire]

depends what ur trying to achieve

[loud gull]

I like them. I do use the 50gr for stabilizers as I tend to overlube them and they become sticky. 50gr just has a bit more force to retract more properly lol

[nimble spruce]

do u know a place which have them in stock rn?

[nimble spruce]

igyy, might have to try that one out, u guys should partner up with geonworks and get that on ur wooting site

[paper bloom]

U can google it and idk cuz qwertyqop shld hv it

[nimble spruce]

alot of em r out of stock rn ;'))

[nimble spruce]

do i get normal or long pole for the geon raw he

[paper bloom]

Normal

Long poles for jades

[ionic breach]

eh

both would work

[paper bloom]

Too high the 3.4 might have problems

[ionic breach]

long pole is for anything 3.6 and below