🔧│keyboard_modding

[tropic urchin]

not even sure if its the spring or lack of foam thats creating the deeper sound

[untold wigeon]

and i thought they used the same lubing process for all switches so why is this the only switch with issues xd

its all factory lubed

[tropic urchin]

its the only switch with all 3 layers of PC material (bottom, top and stem)

[kind helm]

i literally just check the 3 switches i have in hand, lekker v1 45, jade, and the raw. then i see lekker has like forking 1mm longer spring it looks like, then i went with that

[tropic urchin]

and with dual rail it creates alot of PC on PC contact and creates friction

[untold wigeon]

so its not even their fault i guess

[kind helm]

[silk hound]

All hail geon and all that he touches

[untold wigeon]

it does look good tho

[tropic urchin]

its not a default lube job issue, but design/QC on gateron's part

[polar girder]

But what about dual rail and POM stem tho?

Mmmm

[tropic urchin]

they should be on par with the jade pros bare min, but they arent

[untold wigeon]

😢

sadly but

i think i'll buy them anyway

looks are all that matters

🐱

[tropic urchin]

might be better, but idk what the dual rail really gets you besides a pointless complication

[untold wigeon]

like i bought them i can return them but i wont

[kind helm]

i assume jade pro is not duel rail since arcskyo was able to fit the pro bottom with the raw stem

[tropic urchin]

I dont believe they are, but id have to double check

[silk hound]

After putting on geon raw he my finger has never felt better, my ear has been cleaned with pure joy, and my gaming performance has reached peak of humanity - thank you geon for changing my life

[stone flax]

riv :0

[silk hound]

O good to see ya mj :>

[kind helm]

think bro stuck with he switches for way too long

[tropic urchin]

might be time to make geon a honorary mod of this channnel

[glacial wind]

Yeah, felt same as raw he honestly. Not 100% the same but close enough that I wouldn’t care which of the two I was using

[kind helm]

really? i kinda expected them to be really different since pro is closed bottom(i think)

[silk hound]

Geon touched many lives

[kind helm]

id say i made it much better after relubing and changing spring :3

which means.... RAW WAS NOT PERFECT

[vague stag]

relubing meaning relubing stock or your own

?

[glacial wind]

The raw he are basically closed bottom with a tiny hole in the middle so while there’s a small difference it’s close enough that most would barely be able to tell the difference

[kind helm]

ic

i always thought the bottom would have a bigger difference since the haimu heartbeat just has 2 tiny holes on the bottom and somehow its a silent switch. i saw a video online where the youtuber also punched 2 holes in other normal switches and they made them much more quiet too.

like the holes are this big

[kind helm]

relubing my own since i fcked it up but it is also better compare to stock imo

[vague stag]

agree on lubing them yourself is way better than stock

[kind helm]

compare to stock, other than lubing i also changed to lekkerv1 45 spring just because those are the longest spring i have in hand. i know for sure lubing made the switch deeper but i think the spring also helped a lot espeically for bottom out when i put the switch close to my ear

[quasi hinge]

after trying the max I can agree

I tried that.... no luck on 160 of them

[kind helm]

thats fcked. how long did that take

[quasi hinge]

split half with a buddy who I ended up giving 70 to as I could not sell what I thought was a defective product

few hours

gateron refunded me on the 90

he is still messing with them, not sure he is making any gains lol

[kind helm]

thats solid

[quasi hinge]

oh yeah and they even covered the roughly 30$ it cost to send to them

[kind helm]

that just makes me want to buy pro from them.

maybe later this year... i dont have the time, the money, the brain power to go through another section of relubing and frankenswitches

[quasi hinge]

I think those are okay because they are old design or non dual rail or because top/bottom is made of different material

[quasi hinge]

I draw the line at lubing

[kind helm]

i wanna try to utilize the sticy rice switches legs and see if i can do a plateless, then just chill a bit from there before i start to mix s44t together

[quasi hinge]

franken switches are for the truly autistic of us

I totally respect it

but that is dedication lol

[kind helm]

i am just worry that those legs would be gone because most people who have used them seem to dislike them (for good reason)

[muted sapphire]

skibidi toilet

[kind helm]

but i just thought that would be a interesting thing to have

[quasi hinge]

do you have the switches yet

[kind helm]

11/5

i also gotta wait for the pcb which probably hopefully arrives late nov

the current one i have is a platemount pcb

[tropic urchin]

im recouping my purchase by harvesting their springs which is all they're good for now to me

recouping should have a healthy dose of " " tho

[quasi hinge]

could you elaborate on how good they are comparatively

im curious how you chose them over something else

or feel

[tropic urchin]

the Maxes spring are longer and were designed for a better rebound which I do like a bit more than stock geon springs. It does modify the sound slightly, but I like it a bit more than stock raw spring

before I lubed the spring it did sound a little bit louder which was interesting

they wont be my final build, but im waiting for my god gamer switches to arrive

[quasi hinge]

I was looking forward to that better rebound

but the 'stickiness' instantly made me feel like they were garbage

the search ended lol

[tropic urchin]

the springs are definitely the only nice part about the maxes

maybe your buddy can give you back the springs xD

[quasi hinge]

looool

[tropic urchin]

and you can experiment and see if you like

[quasi hinge]

I dont do franken

I draw the line there

tiiiimmmeee

[tropic urchin]

I see you're not on the spectrum. shame

[quasi hinge]

high functioning lol

[tropic urchin]

you could just do 1 with the max spring and see if you like it enough to change all

[quasi hinge]

bruh

[tropic urchin]

the springs can change alot which I never expected to be true

[quasi hinge]

im done with gateron for a while

[calm pulsar]

yes this is important to keep lube out of there

[tropic urchin]

im not saying to rebuy enough for all 90 but you should have extras 💀

spring swap is very low maintenance

[quasi hinge]

I get you but that is another level of this hobby I cannot yield to

[tropic urchin]

Yield signs were always meant to be sped through

[quasi hinge]

One can only juggle so much

[tropic urchin]

geon can give you a 3rd arm if you pray enough, makes juggling easier

[quasi hinge]

I sense OC would take over and a never ending search would take place

[quasi hinge]

I have lubed raws

[tropic urchin]

oh I see why now

makes sense

[quasi hinge]

why

[tropic urchin]

if you lubed all 90 raws yourself id understand the wanting to jump off a bridge sentiement than go thru more swapping

[quasi hinge]

twice

to only find out they are dog sh*t

[kind helm]

honestly the best approach is probably have like 10 to 20 of them already so you can fck around a bit first to see what works

[quasi hinge]

although buddy helped

[kind helm]

then you go in and start lubing "the real thing"

[quasi hinge]

the 50gs raws just worked

I like having stock good products

when there are improvements or mods, widely available

[quasi hinge]

yeah but when you pay that much for a switch

you kinda figure you get what you are paying for

but what you get instead is already over priced jades with the marketable clear housing and dog sh*t stickiness rendering them useless unless you harvest for springs

I could not accept Gateron QC or engineers had let that through

even my buddy who lubed them separately redid them

[barren wasp]

is there an NA east reseller that ships faster than the gateron website?

[tropic urchin]

$1 springs are best springs /s

[kind helm]

[tropic urchin]

wish I didnt overthink jade pros 🥲

[quasi hinge]

Sorry bruh

House of Geon does not accept

[tropic urchin]

You get immersive heart and soul.. and guess what the springs are.. the heart and soul of the switch

the hope lives on

amen

[quasi hinge]

Rawmen

[tropic urchin]

the RAW stem will be what unlocks the potential of home made jade pros 🙏

[quasi hinge]

I cannot understand this elvish you speak haha

franken switching is foreign to me

[tropic urchin]

well since you responded, maybe you do understand enough to be confused

[quasi hinge]

just happy with pleb raws

you ever know yourself enough not to try something

[tropic urchin]

if the god switches werent literally $18 for 90 I prob would just spring swap and leave it at that, but Arc peaked my interest and honed my switch 'Tism

[quasi hinge]

because it could unlock time wasting autism levels unheard of

[tropic urchin]

oh it absolutely is

if my keyboard was here i wouldnt, but white zinc doesnt exist so I have unlimited time until it does arrive

[quasi hinge]

are you sitcking with v1

[tropic urchin]

yeah

[quasi hinge]

good choice

it will be rare

[tropic urchin]

might use the $40 on V2 if I have issues or RAW/wrist rest depending

[tropic urchin]

W collectors item

[quasi hinge]

in mint condition

if I got a white

I would buy another to use

[tropic urchin]

hopefully if the US fulfilment centers put on their oven gloves for handling

[quasi hinge]

good luck

[chilly mural]

Why buy $100 for a spring when you can buy 100 spring for $6 and pay $50 shipping

[visual moat]

join #general chit chat and teach me how to use the new wootility now

[tropic urchin]

sometimes when plans go awry you have to improvise 😭

technically its for 90 springs

[quasi hinge]

they are 'special'

[vague stag]

so, I have done some switch plate pad test with wootings PC Switch plate kit

I have tested with foam pad, silicon and without: here are the results if someone wants to know

[barren wasp]

i think the first one sounds the best @vague stag

[vague stag]

I am torn between the silicon and the foam - switched back to the foam for now

[barren wasp]

i really like the deep of the foam apd

pad

[vague stag]

but no pad at all, does not sound good tbh - really hollow in a Tofu60 redux (with case foam)

[peak dome]

hi

hoz uall doing ?

[barren wasp]

doing good

[peak dome]

how*

cool good to hear

what switches do u recoment for the 80HE ?

[barren wasp]

i heard gateron makes pretty nice switches also geon raw has a cult

[peak dome]

did u join the cult ?

[barren wasp]

using lekkers v1.5

but im thinking of either jade pros or geon raws

[silk hound]

Geon raw he - if you only want performance ttc magneto but they sound ass

[peak dome]

i was thinking of the ttc magneto but not sure

[fallow bloom]

yeah first one is def the best

[barren wasp]

how do they preform better?

[flat cobalt]

@cold bloom lowkey might cancel my Salvation order

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[silk hound]

Magneto have the best accuracy at bottoming out - geon raw is close to second I believe

[kind helm]

as the lube starts to chill out a bit, this sounds even better, holy s44t HE board is beating my MX boards in terms of sound

[fiery flower]

is it possible to create a mod for lower travel distance somehow ? to have just 2mm instead of 4mm

[vague stag]

don't know, probbaly o-ring your keycaps

[kind helm]

maybe, depends on how their calibration is set up. but 3.4 mm is not long enough for you?

[vague stag]

but if I understand it correctly it is not adviced, as it could screw with the sensors

[barren wasp]

how can anyone tell?

[kind helm]

they test with other brands pcb i believe

where the exact values can be displayed on software

[fiery flower]

i mean to have it shorter like add something inside off the switch to make travel distance just 2mm for example

[kind helm]

i really don't see a point in doing that, and that type of DIY would be messy and buggy at best

maybe you can add some sort of plastic in the bottom housing of your switch, but how the calibration of the software would react to that idk, and how well that would work in terms of consistency idk

[barren wasp]

is hall effect switches on mechanical yet?

raw geon and jade pros are pretty sexy

[silk hound]

Test done by sikakeyb and there’s also someone affiliated with Wallhack LATAM who is currently testing. But wouldn’t really recommend magneto if you care about sound as well

[kind helm]

think there is one version of magneto can actually sounds relatively okay, i dont remember which exactly

[barren wasp]

that is really interesting

[chilly mural]

There's a variant of Geon Raw by other manu that's not HE

[chilly mural]

https://geon.works/collections/raw

[kind helm]

all i remember is that there are 3 versions of magneto stuff and 1 of them was okay

[silk hound]

Magneto POM?

[kind helm]

but also the difference is so small i doubt its meaningful at all, its like 0.0something

don't think its the new one, i saw it like last month i think

[glacial wind]

They’re all pretty high pitched unfortunately

Even magneto Pom seems high pitched, but I’m waiting for a few more reviews on it to see if they used the rgb magneto mold or regular magneto

Rgb magneto is tighter tolerance than regular magneto

[vague stag]

akko should do an HE switch

[kind helm]

thats what i heard as well

[vague stag]

or an everglide aqua king HE

[kind helm]

think they did

don't remember if works with wooting or not

[vague stag]

have you seen that max gaming just released their own custome keyboard? MaxCustom Max65

dont want to be the first one buying/trying it 😄 would be awesome like alexotos would do a review

[hollow iron]

dam but is it worth the 100 euro ?

[vague stag]

dunno, but I thought it was a pretty good deal considering the mounting options

[native sundial]

Magneto is the best keyswitch atm?

[wild hemlock]

josh

did yo shit ship yet

or is china being stupid

[stone flax]

tolerances and accuracy

[stone flax]

lmao

[stone flax]

?

no

tess and neo exists for barebone options

and even compared to chinesium foam-board u can get a full built lucky65 v2 or equivalent for the same

[heady sluice]

does anyone happen to know how to change the switches on the 80he? the youtube guide i saw was just for 60he and there's no pcb swap tutorial for the 80he

[stone flax]

pcb swap tutorial?

ur only changing switches

and its not like theres another pcb u can put into the 80he case

but its the same exact manner with most hotswap pcb'sd

take switch puller

squeeze on top and bottom sides of housing clips

pull out

[heady sluice]

https://youtu.be/-KtpE1mv23s this is the one i'm talking about how the guide and in the latest comments someone was asking for how to do it with the two he and they were told by the wooting account to follow the two he pcb swap tutorial for that model

[stone flax]

but u dont have to worry about how its done in the two he, no?

[heady sluice]

obviously there isn't a pcb swap tutorial for the 80he which is why i was asking

[stone flax]

since ur on the 80he

[stone flax]

still unsure what u mean by pcb swap but okay

[heady sluice]

yeah i know but i'm saying there's no 80he counterpart

[stone flax]

are u planning to change the pcb ?

[heady sluice]

to how to disassemble the 80he to put in the switches the first way

[stone flax]

.....

ok

thats not what pcb swap means

thanks for clarifying

[heady sluice]

yes i know

look at the tutorial, look how there's two methods to swap it out

one of them includes taking out the pcb module and is the recommended way

[stone flax]

ig?

its completely fine to just take it out of the built board

or if u do plan to fully dissasemble u can also just push the switches out from the backside

dissasembling just to end up using a switch puller anyways is kinda funny

[wild hemlock]

stop helping people

[stone flax]

why

[wild hemlock]

cause

gatekeep knowledge

[stone flax]

ok so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNa5wuqiFVY

follow through this as a way to understand the process of dissasembling

it covers stuff like how to unscrew and pop off the frame

[silk hound]

Personally prefer geon raw as I care about sound and love the sound profile it makes

[barren wasp]

what do you have to compare it to?

[silk hound]

What switches I currently have? Or you mean other things

[barren wasp]

other HE switches

unless youre talking about the mechanical version of it

[silk hound]

all the lekkers, jade and jade pros, geon raw 40-60g. Haven't tried the others

[barren wasp]

and in your opinion geon raws are the best?

[silk hound]

I might get some magneto to try but geon raw he is my favorite both feel and sound - but that is preference

[barren wasp]

where did you buy them?

i tried looking on the geon raw site but the shipping is 25 dollars

[silk hound]

if you want to get one, between jade pro or geon raw 50g is what I would recommend

[silk hound]

where are you from

[barren wasp]

NA east

do you know any vendors?

[silk hound]

divinikey

[barren wasp]

there sold out how about raptor?

[polar girder]

Nah

[barren wasp]

are there other big NA east vendors?

[stone flax]

u can try with kbdfans even if theyre not from US

but ya

divinikey

[native sundial]

For Geon Raw HE, do you prefer the 40g ,50g or 60g? im guessing is 50g, since you recommended them?

Btw which keycaps do you all prefer GMK (double shot abs keycaps) or PbtFans (Double shot PBT Material)?

[calm pulsar]

try kbdfans store on aliexpress

shipping might be cheaper

[tropic urchin]

Usually 50g is a decent middle ground between the two if you're unsure if you want lighter keys or not

which is what I went with

[silk hound]

Would start with 50 and either go down or up from there - for keycaps KKB is very good quality for the price, GMK for both abs quality and color options, and shenpo, xmi, and aifei for budget but quality too

[silk hound]

Would not recommend raptors, they are just like lekkers afaik - I never tried them because someone told me they are bad

[native sundial]

Yea, the shop i have in my country, only have Geon Raw 50g, im not sure i would like the 40g, thats why im asking for your honest opinion.
thanks for the keycaps recommendation, do you prefer abs or pbt materials for keycaps?

i tried the raptor, i prefer jade pro and geon raw he 50g

[silk hound]

Honestly I like both, pbt will be very hard to shine, but most of my caps are ABS just because GMK got some nice sets that I liked xD - it is up to you though, would probably start with a nice PBT set

[polar girder]

Nah they have full nylon housing and they’re better than original lekkers but yeah wouldn’t recommend

[native sundial]

better than lekkers v2? or just lekkers?

[polar girder]

Just lekker 1/1.5

Idk about v2

I haven’t tried those

[native sundial]

thank you so much for the help! do you personally prefer Geon raw 50g or 40g?

KKB = Key KoBo?

[stone flax]

yes

[stone flax]

they had their place way back then before jades really took root when stem swapped with lekkers for better tolerances

i think thats what bilbo is still rocking to this day ;c

but outside of that theyre a rattly uninteresting mess

[silk hound]

I am a fan of 50g and 60g, the 40g is too light for me. Would give 50 a shot first like I said and go up or down from there!

[near barn]

while we're on the topic of switches, is there any info out there regarding the new V2 switches? afaik, i can only recall seeing in a video that they had less stem wobble, but couldn't find a video on specifically what they changed

[silk hound]

yeah they did - I was thinking of getting raptors but ended up getting jades later on

[stone flax]

different manufacturer, leads to better magnet accuracy and general housing tolerances

relative to v1/v1.5

[near barn]

do u happen to have the source for this info? just wondering because I definitely notice a difference in how the stem looks and was interested in experimenting with lubing different parts

[stone flax]

for what info?

[calm pulsar]

heijin teals?

[stone flax]

and yellows

ya

[silk hound]

there's a picture comparison between the two

Mj do you have the picture sir?

[stone flax]

not side to side

but

[violet fulcrum]

Are these the sticky rice V2? could you send a picture of the bottom of the switch?

[sharp ocean]

Ye sticky rice v2

[sharp ocean]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[violet fulcrum]

oh shit, i just ordered sum lol

[sharp ocean]

Honestly you'll probably be fine

you see those prongs?

[violet fulcrum]

thought it was fixed

[sharp ocean]

they are supposed to go thru the holes in the PCB

[violet fulcrum]

yes

[sharp ocean]

but uh

I don't know if the prongs are actually too thick

or if I'm just an autist and couldn't get them through

so I jammed it in initially

[violet fulcrum]

u still having issues?

[sharp ocean]

causing a bulge in the middle of my keyboard

causing the keys in the middle to not work properly

[sharp ocean]

Well I cut all the prongs off

now the keyboard could close properly

and everything works great

They guarentee that it's supposed to work with Wooting keyboards

so I was probably just being dumb with the prongs situation

[violet fulcrum]

yeah looks like i might have to squeeze those legs in to have them sit flat

ill cancel my order and get some rice pudding switches

those have traditional legs

[sacred comet]

Is there a way to buy the wooting 60+ ABS case separately?

from what i can see you can only get it if you buy the assembled ver

[stone flax]

na but y

[sacred comet]

just wondering

[stone flax]

okie

[thorn zealot]

u guys think this cable will work for tach mode

or is it too long

[versed pivot]

get the wooting one, you get a coiled end and a elonmgated end and it works with tach mode

[thorn zealot]

ik the wooting one works

but this one will fit better with my kb

and i prob wont use the coiled cable anyways

[untold wigeon]

What’s the overall length?

[thorn zealot]

idk it say 5 in for the small part

and 5 ft for the long part

i forgot what the max length is for cables to work for tach

[untold wigeon]

Should be ok

[thorn zealot]

whats the max length

isnt it like 6 ft or some

[untold wigeon]

2 meters I think

[thorn zealot]

close enough

[untold wigeon]

Yes

[thorn zealot]

alr cool thanks

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-14284264219182206721

[umbral ridge]

anyone ordered from graveshift before? mine has been on "USPS Awaiting Item" for the last 5 days 😭

[thorn zealot]

yes

[umbral ridge]

how long did yours take?

[cold bloom]

Hmm why

[flat cobalt]

I just kinda lost all the hype for it lol

[thorn zealot]

a lil over a week

may 30 - june 7

but i forgot what type of shipping i got

[polar girder]

The cosmos one?

[flat cobalt]

yeh

[polar girder]

lol fair

[flat cobalt]

The fact that the pre-order hasn't closed either, god knows when I'll end up getting the case

[kind helm]

in the warehouse, i asked them to do "expert packaging"

takes 1 to 3 business days

[untold wigeon]

That’s a usps thing. They have been awful lately

[polar girder]

I mean probably well before cosmos ships tbf

[flat cobalt]

[kind helm]

i just got a black one no long ago. 2 days shipping through novelkey.

[kind helm]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807596259704.html 38 dollars for 7 packs after shipping

takes a while to ship though

[barren wasp]

two weeks but its cheap

[kind helm]

divinikey takes a while to

[barren wasp]

5-7 days for standard i believe

[kind helm]

business day

i know its slow cause i got mine from divinikey and i am in maryland

if raws are on novelkey that would be the best for us east, 3 days shipping(hell i can drive over there probably in like a few hours)

novelkey warehouse in virginia

dinivikey warehouse somewhere in cali

[buoyant veldt]

do we know when they releasing case files for 80he

[fallow bloom]

didn't they say like the end of the year or smth, not sure

[thin sonnet]

not really modding but is their a way to stop the keyboard from sliding on my table without a pad under it?

it slides when i play

[fallow bloom]

heavier case maybe

or the sillicone feet might help

[crimson pumice]

Someone changed default case 80he on a custom one?

[tulip rapids]

i got a question so my stab is making a feel squeaky noise when i press on the edge of the keycap and it also feels sticky

what do you guys think the cause for this is? Too much lube or bent wire, or?

[fallow bloom]

oh

[untold wigeon]

Exactly why I made mine so heavy

lol

[fallow bloom]

oh ok i thought it was the same person lol

[untold wigeon]

Thing never moves

No lol

[fallow bloom]

a whole workout to move it

[calm pulsar]

wdym? isnt preorder over already?

oh that's about a case I guess

[flat cobalt]

Not for the Salvation case

[calm pulsar]

ic ic

[lost garnet]

Baby Blue tofu 60 or white tofu60 to go with crazed blue cerakeys

[kind helm]

👀 id say if your table is white it would be easier to swap to different keycaps & deskmat if you go with white case

[silk hound]

Vader 4 Pro cameo

[untold wigeon]

Apex 4

[silk hound]

I meant apex whoops

[quiet bay]

what a chonker

[quiet bay]

what does your setup look likke

but imo white would be more versatile

[lost garnet]

black mousepad black pc black mouse white desk

dont have a full deskmat only half of my table

[calm pulsar]

my vote is for white as well, since the blue of the case and caps may not match

[quiet bay]

most likely white case then

[hollow sage]

i'd do white

[stone flax]

skibidi toilet colored

[quiet bay]

💀

skibidi toilet colored is wild

[plush orbit]

White always look great

[quiet bay]

yessir

[hollow sage]

on skibidi

[plush orbit]

It’s like if ur not sure on the color go white or black

[quiet bay]

always go for most versatile colors

unless you have a whole theme going on

[plush orbit]

Plus it’ll go with more setups

[quiet bay]

where your keyboard will actually fit

[plush orbit]

That is true

But at that point you’ll know what color u want

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/godaddy-bodybuildershorts-comercial-muscles-beefcake-gif-6493629561693000727

[finite kiln]

whats the dimensions for the wrist rests

[ruby hill]

Def the acrylic

[quiet bay]

which one

[finite kiln]

60he

[quiet bay]

Length 295mm | 11.61"
Width 100mm | 3.94"
Height (Keyboard side) 20mm | 0.79"

[finite kiln]

oki

thx

[quiet bay]

👍

[quasi hinge]

go for the 50g

I have them in both my 80he and 60he+

[quiet bay]

50g sweet spot

for most at least

for the geon raws

that's the one that sells out first basically every time

[quasi hinge]

for a reason

[quiet bay]

yup

I only have 3 geon raw hes but I can tell they feel really good

50g

[ionic breach]

i got 50

ngl would have gone 40

[quiet bay]

I like it better than 60g

[ionic breach]

but both is fine

[quasi hinge]

Wooting should collab with geon lol

[calm pulsar]

I have all spring variants from geon, but ngl springs on jade pros are nicer, cause they are 45g, with a snappier top out (due to length)

[quasi hinge]

its like the lekeers have become e waste haha

[quiet bay]

we got Wooting x Owlab

Now we need

Wooting x Geon

[quasi hinge]

Fair, I but I like to judge a product on its final form from the company

[quiet bay]

lekker v1s yis

lekker v2s are not that bad

[quasi hinge]

also because I dont do franken switches lol

[quiet bay]

but could def still be better

[quasi hinge]

Gave them all away

[calm pulsar]

true, which is why I just used 62.5g pingless springs from geon for that top out

[quasi hinge]

I never used the 80he with the lekkers lol

[quiet bay]

dang 😂

[quasi hinge]

took em straight out

[quiet bay]

for free?

[quasi hinge]

well I got them for free

[quiet bay]

didnt even go for a test drive?

[kind helm]

wait 0.0 did you switch

[quiet bay]

sounds like me when I first got my wooting60he

didn't even try the keeb out first

[calm pulsar]

no, I used to use those

[quiet bay]

went straight to modding

[quasi hinge]

I know enough to know that 4.0 is no good for me

[quiet bay]

ahh ok

[calm pulsar]

cause then I got my raws I also got all variants of pingless springs

[quasi hinge]

3.4 or 3.5 is thje new standard fo rme

[kind helm]

ah yee, are the pingless ones the same length as the stock raw he ones?

[quasi hinge]

how many do you have

[calm pulsar]

the length depends on the weight, but they are about the same

42.5g and 52.5g are kinda short tho

[quiet bay]

are they truly pingless 🤔

[kind helm]

interesting

i thought the spring length would be the same for every force

[calm pulsar]

I couldnt make them out when rapidly tapping on the switch next to my ear
other "normal" unlubed springs though sounded very apparent

[quasi hinge]

is anything truly pingless

[kind helm]

lubed spring

[ruby hill]

Geon got a frog gh60 coming out
Should fits 60he

[calm pulsar]

i'd say a lubed spring is pretty much like pingless

it's just cool that you don't really need to lube the pingless ones

[quasi hinge]

yes lol all my raws are lubed

[quiet bay]

nah but like

an actual collab where they work together to sell something

[quasi hinge]

wooting should master each of their components

[calm pulsar]

for now I can only see Geon switches being sold on Wooting store

[ruby hill]

A 80he case will be nice

[quasi hinge]

like their switches

[quiet bay]

Still waiting for that

[quasi hinge]

they should

[kind helm]

you meant gateron right 0.0

[quasi hinge]

huge L if they dont

[quiet bay]

gateron sucks

[calm pulsar]

no, Geon once came in this chat, gave a coupon and also talked to Wooting guys on a possible collaboration to sell raws on the Wooting store

[quasi hinge]

Lord Geon won this round

[kind helm]

L take :3

[ruby hill]

F2-77.5

[quiet bay]

im pretty sure wooting shared dimensions of the case so we should see custom cases

prolly not anytime soon tho

lol

[quasi hinge]

W take

[kind helm]

but currently still just gateron jade and the lekkers on there

[quasi hinge]

how did those Jade Maxs get through?

[quiet bay]

only because geon raws didnt exist around that time 😩

[quasi hinge]

they are utter dog Sh*t

[calm pulsar]

I would say jade pros def don't suck, they are great, but maxes and other weird stuff does suck

[quiet bay]

they sold gateron jades because that was kind of like the "best" switch around the time that actually sounded somewhat decent

compared to everything else

[fading rune]

Hi

[quasi hinge]

100% and they charged so much

[quiet bay]

1 dollar a switch 😂

[quasi hinge]

I got 160 of those worthless switches

[kind helm]

i still believe that in the future gateron will make better switches, because they made many good switches for mx already.

[quasi hinge]

its good gateron had the sense to refund

[fading rune]

Is it worth swapping the lekker v2 for ttc magneto ?

[quasi hinge]

sure but not now

[quasi hinge]

go for Geon raw

[quiet bay]

will never make the price better tho

[calm pulsar]

ngl I kinda want to go for HMX for my luminkey build and not gateron xd

[quasi hinge]

Gateron slipping

[kind helm]

it is not worth if you are not looking for a particular sound. because lekker v2 is decent

[quiet bay]

decent but

imo sounds dead

ik they wanted that thocky sound but

there's no oomph to it

[calm pulsar]

my thought from day one with the og 60he lol

[kind helm]

are they newer, i never heard of those before

[fading rune]

So only for performance i should keep my lekker v2 ?

[quiet bay]

HMX got some really nice clacky switches

[calm pulsar]

talking about MX btw
not sure if they are newer or not, just they are nice and clacky

[kind helm]

i stopped looking at stuff in this hobby for like a year when my wallet was way way too dry

[fading rune]

I should change only if i dont like the sound

[kind helm]

[calm pulsar]

I recently learned that Geon's Extreme Gaming MX switch is manufactured by HMX, so I will be ordering them for my future MX build

[quiet bay]

well that's something I also just learned wth

[calm pulsar]

yeah this switch is probably the most "gamer" of all MX switches 😄
3mm travel. 0.9mm actuation

[kind helm]

you can swap them quite easily so its really up to what you feeling at the moment i think

[calm pulsar]

yeah that's true

MX switches are so cheap compared to HE

even Gateron's own prices on MX are way better

[kind helm]

https://switchoddities.com/products/ball-bearing-blue

2 dollars each

[calm pulsar]

well there are some exceptions xd

[kind helm]

there is a black variant on kbdfan right now i dont know if its the same one

[kind helm]

on the thermal goat github(a set of switch reviews) i used to look at. that thing ranked #1 and it came out this year

if i gonna try a mx switch next id find these

[calm pulsar]

what is their appeal though? are they insanely stable or do the ball bearings provide tactility?

[kind helm]

think make them smoother

let me find the review holdon

https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/ball-bearing-blue-switch-review

[ruby hill]

Lekker v2 not stable as raw he
Venom set at 0.1 with 0 deadzone always accidentally release keys
But raw he didn’t happen at all

[kind helm]

true but thats venom, wooting pcb works fine(likely due to the safer limit that wootility set) with lekker

[ruby hill]

Maybe that why wooting didn’t go for 0.1 RT and zero deadzone

[finite kiln]

anyone got any idea the name of the wrist rest in the winner spooky build keyboard

[ionic breach]

ask him lmao

[ionic breach]

https://kxysscustoms.com/products/gengar-wrist-rest-purple-edition its these btw

but seems like this is a light version

[finite kiln]

interesting

[quasi hinge]

Could someone link the winner? pls

[kind helm]

announcement

the lastest one

[quasi hinge]

ty

[quasi hinge]

Wow solid build

[plush orbit]

just wondering what are some easy mods I should get for my 80he?

[kind helm]

stock 80he is solid, i think you can look at whatever keybored did in his vid

[plush orbit]

ogie tyty

[quasi hinge]

I changed my stabs to TX 1.6 long pole

[kind helm]

case foam changed to polyfill. and switches changed to raw he, and keycaps changed to dyesub pbt.
he has a comparison in the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NSQ8H2QkRw

[quasi hinge]

I feel lucky that I play in the dark and need the OG backlit keycaps

saves me from getting into an expensive habit haha

I just lurk at all the keycaps and my wallet is happy

[quasi hinge]

I removed the tape mod

[plush orbit]

how many keys does the 80 have?

[quasi hinge]

84?

I not sure

after the lube nightmare I lost count

[plush orbit]

LOL

[quasi hinge]

long story short, dont buy jade Maxs

[plush orbit]

are they just not good?

[quasi hinge]

design flaw or horrendous QC

[plush orbit]

I remember like a couple weeks ago people were talking about them

ooooh

[quasi hinge]

yes they get 'sticky' lol

either new dual rail design sucks, or same material of top and bottom housing creating an issue or design flaw

they refunded me the shipping and amount

[plush orbit]

I still got a few weeks before I get mine

[quasi hinge]

so they get credit for that

[plush orbit]

so ill be looking out for some stuff I can do with my keeb

😋

[quasi hinge]

but my time

[quasi hinge]

what switches did you get

[plush orbit]

thats true 😔

[plush orbit]

just the L45 but I wasnt sure if I would enjoy them as much

and im kinda upset cause I was debating getting the raw he

and they put out a sale also

[regal stag]

what type are you getting 60, 80 or two HE?

[plush orbit]

80

[quasi hinge]

Go for the raws 50g if you can

[regal stag]

i've had 60 for quite some time and was thinking about getting either 60he+ with a new case possibly or the 80, my brother need a new keeb so i could find a use for 2nd

[quasi hinge]

I immediately took out the 60s and didnt use the free 45s, had my raws lubed and ready with TX stabs

[regal stag]

i'v been waiting for the optimum case collab for some time, still not decided if i wanna go for that or to try 80

[quasi hinge]

this 80he is the best keyboard ive ever had

for right now

it will be beaten in the future but rn this is my baby

[sacred comet]

you have a link where i can buy them but not from the geon website?

shipping is something crazy like 25 usd

[marsh saffron]

I'm still impatiently waiting for my x-ray set

[regal stag]

if it was regular 75% profile that has all the keys stuck together and is just a single row wider than 60 i wouldn't think about it that much

[marsh saffron]

Its supposed to arrive at deskhero soon here so hopefully not much longer

[calm pulsar]

did you install your own or did you realize it's bs?

[kind helm]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807596259704.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.fb1b3b373N8mjN&algo_exp_id=32660871-f04e-4cbd-9151-db497e7c7b31-1&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!4.80!0.99!!!4.80!0.99!%402101c5c217306146178851722e98dc!12000042187155629!sea!US!0!ABX&curPageLogUid=jfeu95rKaylR&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A#nav-store

[quasi hinge]

what country you from

[sacred comet]

US

[quasi hinge]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[regal stag]

its not that much wider with this layout but for how i have my pad/keyboard set on my desk i might hit the side of the 80he with my mouse when i play

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar

on sale

geon on sale

aliexpress

[marsh saffron]

Shit I do this with my 60he

[calm pulsar]

what specifically?

[kind helm]

raw

[calm pulsar]

ohh nice damn

[kind helm]

i was looking it up for that other guy

i was like yea i think i clicked the wrong link not 0.99 one

[sacred comet]

i tried aliexpress but the welcome deal only allows you to buy 1pc per customer

[calm pulsar]

well actually seems the usual price for me, but they are still nicely priced compared to gateron lol

[quasi hinge]

I just knew from the 60he and 60he+ that the lekkers were gna be crap regardlesss of 2.0 or whatever (SORRY wooting) and so I did my research and was excited for the 80he

[kind helm]

awwww

[quasi hinge]

It was only plugged to make sure it was working

[kind helm]

i mean just buy regular price then

at least shipping is cheap

[plush orbit]

only 4 left for the 50g 😔

[sacred comet]

cant get rid of the welcome deal 😭

[kind helm]

did you get a case already

use that on something else :3

[calm pulsar]

im seeing they are about $5.24 per 10 psc for me, with like $4 shipping

[fickle egret]

does aliexpress ship faster than kdb/geon 🤔

[kind helm]

for me if I get 7 packs its still 5 dollars shipping

[calm pulsar]

yeah and I feel like tape mod isnt as nice as on MX boards

[quasi hinge]

Then methodically the lekkers were immediately taken out

[quasi hinge]

I removed the tape mod from the 80he

[regal stag]

one day i am just gonna crack my mouse cuz of this

[fickle egret]

curious, jade pros or raw.
…or both mixed 🤔

[kind helm]

mix jade pros and raws and knight

[quasi hinge]

I vote raws 50g

I dont franken so yeah

[fickle egret]

I might consider heavier, around 60-70g 22m springs tbh

[calm pulsar]

I present to you jades + raw (+black knights lol)

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar is it possible to do raw stem & top housing + jade pro spring + buttom housing

that should be possible right since the bottom housing works with raw stem and top housing can work with other bottom housings

[calm pulsar]

I believe jade pro top isnt compatible with geon bottom, but let me check

[fickle egret]

tempting to be honest. I’m assuming jade top, raw stem, and bk bottom?

[kind helm]

thats something worth trying i think if you don't got another extra 50$ for knight

[fickle egret]

that would be cool if it is compatible

[calm pulsar]

bk top, raw stem and jade bottom
the idea was to have a switch good on tolerances like raws but with the sound of jades

[fickle egret]

ahhhhh yeah

[calm pulsar]

knights are dirt cheap btw, also the main component of that top out sound is bk upper tbh

[quasi hinge]

it does add up

[calm pulsar]

yeah lul

[fickle egret]

I’m currently on lekker v1s right now and I wanna update my board :(

[quasi hinge]

You have a wooting 80he just in swtiches haha

[kind helm]

what about my snappy spring and mx like closed bottom

[calm pulsar]

I say just get jade pros or raws and don't bother

[fickle egret]

I wonder if those new everglide magnetic switches will be compatible with either or

[kind helm]

everglide's sticky rice is compatible so i think if there is new one

it should also

[regal stag]

are sticky rice on ali or are they still us only?

[quasi hinge]

(go for the raws)

hehe

[calm pulsar]

look at the empty shells of their former selves… not many survived

[quasi hinge]

look at the fallen brethren

rip

empty shells of their former self lol

[kind helm]

my lekker v1s, they will not be missed

[quasi hinge]

the environment

whahahaha

[kind helm]

what do you mean the environment, taking out their spring was the recylcing

[quasi hinge]

totally joking

[kind helm]

i can make some s44ty switches with the original raw spring with them

but i am NOT putting them in any of my keyboards

20 dollars shipping

let's see if they can arrive

[calm pulsar]

@kind helm yeah this is kinda weird
the housing doesnt fully fit, you probably would break or bend it if you try to push it very hard
also the switch becomes too tight, the stem doesnt return back

[kind helm]

unfortunate, thank you for testing sir

the jade knight was meant to be

the best of both worlds

with the black knight as the bridge

[calm pulsar]

yeah bk's top is great

[kind helm]

8 to 12 business days + 1 or 2 days of processing of the chinese end,

@wild hemlock

hows your shipping going bb

[calm pulsar]

getting ready for MX

[orchid valve]

did anyone compare the jade pros vs jade gaming yet?

[gaunt plume]

Which points are of concern?

I have both and can help you if you can't find them in your search.

[wild hemlock]

15-20

[kind helm]

already starting the international part?

[hollow dagger]

Do they feel exactly the same?

[wild hemlock]

Idk still in processing

But shipping was 50 bucks

[kind helm]

yeee your location is further

[wild hemlock]

Oh and I’m getting the 461e case

In a month 🙂

[kind helm]

the nipple case

think thats decent in terms of sound

looks like boobies though :3

[wild hemlock]

I have not bought it

Yet so idk what to get

I like the look of it tho

[kind helm]

W

[wild hemlock]

What case are you using

I hope it’s not alumaze

[kind helm]

hell no its not alumeh

i have a tofu but i am using salvation at the moment

i am thinking of playing around with tofu again though, gonna get some oring

[wild hemlock]

Can I borrow it ??

[kind helm]

SCAMMER

[wild hemlock]

Rich ass wtf

Over 250 for a case is mental 😭

[kind helm]

i agree, wasn't the wisest decision i made

[wild hemlock]

I need your redux

Just for a month

So I spare using a holy60

[kind helm]

one can surely dream

[wild hemlock]

Fr

I’m getting a redux probably after a solid month

[kind helm]

i have plans for my tofu so i can't, better ask arcsyko for his freebird

[wild hemlock]

Nah I don’t want to pay 35 for shipping

[kind helm]

think even if i ship to you, itwill be at least 20 one way, then 40 cause you said borrow so you gonna ship it back later

you put 20 on top you get a new case yourself

[flat breach]

have there been any third party 80HE cases yet?

I want to get my hands on one, if they’re already being made

[wild hemlock]

I’m not gonna ship it back

[kind helm]

exactly

[wild hemlock]

Josh what do you think of the new Fortnite season?

[hollow dagger]

What's wrong with alumaze

[kind helm]

nothing wrong with with alumeh other than the fact that its meh

[hollow dagger]

do you use a foam with your build?

[kind helm]

wait nvm actually, i just checked the price of alumeh, 120 dollars for just an alu box, alumonkey

[kind helm]

nope

[hollow dagger]

maximum clacks

[kind helm]

not too crazy, its actually quite chill after lubing

[wild hemlock]

sounds wooting like

[kind helm]

sorry about the breathing, man gotta breath

[wild hemlock]

fuck you ruined it

i didnt notice 😭

[tame badge]

Can someone help me to find good (beautiful) keycaps dor a tofu60 BLACK modding? (oem, azerty, high thickness...)

[kind helm]

my oring comes in tomorrow, gonna switch back to tofu60 and see how "bad" it is with no foam. then maybe some case foam type s44t. saving the salvation for venom60he

[hollow dagger]

are you using pc plate?

[kind helm]

fr4

[hollow dagger]

why fr4?

looks cool though

[kind helm]

mainly because i was trying to match up with salvation's original plate which was fr4

for tofu though i am considering cf actually...

[hollow dagger]

How good is the salvation case? I saw badseed's video and he's not impressed with it.

[kind helm]

according to chinese youtube, the build quality of the case is meh, but it got an interesting leaf spring mount. badseed not impressed makes sense since he was still rocking the lekker at the time when he tested that i think. foamless build i think really needs the switch to be good

like with more foams you basically filter out everything that you think is "unpleasant", but if the switch is good, there is really no point to filter out anything. thats i kind of how I see it.

[hollow dagger]

I just got myself an alu plate. Gonna be while for it to arrive but I reckon it'll amplify the brighter tones of the geon raw

[kind helm]

should be fun

[hollow dagger]

yeah, but a little sad that it's the tofu redux alu plate, so it's going to basically be black.

[kind helm]

depends on the color of your case, that maybe better

[hollow dagger]

no experience in painting it myself but I'd love for it to be white for better rgb reflection

[kind helm]

both of my cases are black, i regret getting the while pc plate instead of the black one, the whiteness that slips out looks ugly af

[hollow dagger]

This sounds pretty sexy already. What else are you planning to mod?

[tame badge]

ayo

[kind helm]

the current pcb, plate, and switches are going to a tofu60 redux and see how i should set that up. then i have a venom60he coming in that i want to try to go plateless with sticky rice v2 (they got legs that secure the switches in place hopefully without the need of a plate)

but i did buy a alu plate for the venom60he for more fun things to do later on

[hollow dagger]

idk if you still can get the gmk cosmos

[hazy bane]

yes

[hollow dagger]

but honestly the only black keycaps that I fell in love with would be the PBTfans BOG

wish those were still being sold

[kind helm]

Designer Studio stabs are on divinikey now, i didn't know that, yay

[hollow dagger]

how many HE keyboards do you have?

[kind helm]

1

[tame badge]

Tx

[sharp ocean]

I got them on milktooth, they ship worldwide

[native sundial]

Are the Shenpo, JC Studio, XMI, PBT keycaps better than Wooting's Pre-installed Double Shot Backlit PBT keycaps? For the wooting 80 HE
this is my first wooting keyboard, so ive no idea how it is.

[hollow dagger]

Are those really thocky?

[sharp ocean]

I wouldn't say it's like the thockiest compared to what you can see on some video

but it's pretty good thocky already

I am really happy with them

Hold on lemme quickly record a second sound test thru my phone

hopefully my phone will pick it up okay

[sharp ocean]

Note that this is on a Two HE keyboard

They will sound even better on a 60HE and stuff cuz it has a better casing and more/better foam stock

[kind helm]

that makes me really hopeful

because i am getting them soon

[sharp ocean]

I am bonded by blood with this keyboard so yeah they better be good

[random hull]

ooh that looks nice

[sharp ocean]

@hollow dagger @kind helm here is a proper sound typing test

[hazy bane]

👍

what do u guys think of the jade max szitches ?

they llook cool

[quasi hinge]

do not buy

[sharp ocean]

From what I heard they are the Lekker of the jade line up

[quasi hinge]

i had 160 and they get 'sticky'

they look cool yeah

[hazy bane]

sticky ?

[quasi hinge]

and sound nice

[stone flax]

yes literally

sticky in the full travel

[hazy bane]

ooh thats not good

[stone flax]

raws better

🥱

[quasi hinge]

its like it stutters along the sides

[quasi hinge]

100%

[hazy bane]

raw better ?

[quasi hinge]

Get Geon Raws 50g

I have them in my 80 and 60he+

[ionic breach]

preference (yes)

[kind helm]

whats your setup with wooting rn

[hazy bane]

what about the ttc ones

[quasi hinge]

just choose the right force

[stone flax]

frog mini, raws, 80a tadpoles, gmk:

[hazy bane]

i dont know what force i like

[quasi hinge]

most people get 50g

[kind helm]

oh right you got venom too?

[quasi hinge]

and its usually been sold out

[stone flax]

nope

still waiting for proper 7u plate

so ill probably need to wait for geon

[hazy bane]

did u get other stabolisers ?

[kind helm]

i ordered 2 probably not so proper 7u plate

[hazy bane]

sorry i am still new to all this

[kind helm]

"i got to get them fast before they are gone."

[quasi hinge]

you dont need to but I did

[stone flax]

knight v2

[quasi hinge]

I got TX 1.6 long pole stabs

[hazy bane]

i have see those but what is the long pole for ?

what is the difference between normal ones ?

[kind helm]

got these which only supports one type of config

[quasi hinge]

compensate for tolerances

[stone flax]

:>

[quasi hinge]

some people have issues with jades/raws, not all or it feels off

[kind helm]

i thought you were on tofu60 so was hoping to learn some cool stuff you did xD

gonna move my wooting60 to tofu and let venom pair with the salvation

[late dragon]

is o rings a good idee ?

[ruby hill]

My GMK and SP got some issue with raw he and 80he, the stem didn’t fully plugin.
If you don’t typing strongly It will be fine, but somebody does care

[kind helm]

gummpy oring feels janky but works pretty good. the burge mod also is gonna be better than just have the pcb make direct contact with the case

[quasi hinge]

I didnt even bother testing from my experience of the 60he and 60he+ and changed them immediately to TX

[late dragon]

burge mod what is that ?

[ionic breach]

burger*

[sharp ocean]

There is something that highly disturbs me with your video

The keyboard is great

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPX6gYSxyU

[sharp ocean]

but why do you use your right index finger to press space?

🧐

I have never seen someone do that

[stone flax]

im an ipad kid

[sharp ocean]

ahhhhh I see

couldn't relate

[stone flax]

[sharp ocean]

when I was your age when you were an ipad kid, I was a Windows XP kid playing Roblox at 10FPS

Good times

[quasi hinge]

how does that work

[quasi hinge]

sh*t My first os was win 95

i was young tho

[sharp ocean]

My very first one was Win 98 but I didn't use it much, I really got into PCs when we had the brand new Windows XP computer

With a blazing fast Pentium 4

At 3GHz!!

[stone flax]

when i type on ipad keyboard i hit space with index

carried over to when i started using actual keyboards

[quasi hinge]

yeah same, XP was accessible for me at an older age

windows just keeps making it worse lol

every other OS there is this saga

[sharp ocean]

Real af

[quasi hinge]

and its just downhill lol

win10 is now the new win 7

[sharp ocean]

It's making me consider switch to Linux for my next PC build

[quasi hinge]

and support ends sept 2025

we got less than a year to be forced to win 11 bloat

[sharp ocean]

This is what made me switch to Win 11 back in April

I had to force feed my motherboard with the new BIOS and tortured it for a whole month

the new BIOS kept bugging tf out

[quasi hinge]

crappy thing is they now figured out a way to force really old systems down by requiring the tpm 2.0 module

so if you have below gen 8 intel and unless your mobo can fit a 2.0 module, you are outta luck

[sharp ocean]

I wanna switch to Linux but then I'd miss out on a lot of video games and most notably Visual Studio 2022

[quasi hinge]

I tried that haha

good luck lol

Im still huffing on windows

[sharp ocean]

And before any linux diehard nerds show up, yes I am aware you could ultimately run any game but you know I don't wanna spend 3 days and the blood of 7 virgins and typing a bazillion different commands in terminal to run a game

[hazy bane]

srry i still dont understand

[quasi hinge]

it works for the truly dedicated

[dreamy bison]

linux feels like a hassle but once you learn it you save more time than changing ur windows os every few years

[sharp ocean]

Linux is goated for servers though

(source: I am a sysadmin)

[quasi hinge]

that is different

and been so for a while right?

[sharp ocean]

Linux has always been the better choice for servers

[quasi hinge]

just the consumer side is meh....

[sharp ocean]

Even Windows Server is a resource hog

[quasi hinge]

and with windows Recall coming..... im really trying to figure a way out

[kind helm]

anyone that uses linux outside of work needs to touch some grass

[sharp ocean]

Me thinks when I get my new PC, that I'm gonna get another PC that will serve as a mini server / NAS

I will install PROXMOX on it, which essentially lets me easily virtualize as many linux servers as I want

even windows machines

[kind helm]

winutil disables that

[sharp ocean]

Unfortunately I am about to for my soon to be home server

[kind helm]

but i don't know how that s44t will work later on with updates

[kind helm]

i am for server but definity not for daily driver

[sharp ocean]

Yeah no daily driver is rough

[kind helm]

pi-hole looks sick, i don't have enough devices in my home to care

[sharp ocean]

And like, don't get me wrong, I still enjoy looking at what people craft with Linux, especially Arch Linux

Ricing is a whole rabbit hole

and I'm just like, yeah cool your PC software looks nice but like

[kind helm]

nah my s44t works

[sharp ocean]

still can't run any game that has an anticheat in it

[crimson pumice]

Someone changed default case 80he on a custom one?

[kind helm]

you gotta pray your s44t works in linux

[kind helm]

no custom third party stuff at the moment i think

[crimson pumice]

like there are no cases with a hole for an led bar?

[ionic breach]

more like the layout

[kind helm]

L decision to me still, 80he to me is only worth getting if you don't want to do anything beyond foam, switch change

[serene vortex]

whats the difference between the L45 and L60 switches? is the only difference the weight required to press them?

[stone flax]

literally nothing currently supports this layout and mounting style and dimensions

other than wootings current cases atm

[crimson pumice]

(

[stone flax]

yeah its pretty sad

T-T

i am sorry

[quasi hinge]

I think custom case will change this

also im gna do this:

https://raidresearch.com/mechanical-keyboard-cerakote/

I have a spare case I will send to this guy and post the results

[chilly mural]

hmm, ~$160 top and bottom. Not bad

[quasi hinge]

The guy is in the discord

im aiming for a space / galaxy theme

[kind helm]

to me this is like, "why would a company spend money on creating a new case for this small group of people that happens to like wooting and in the keyboard habbit." many he options out there nowadays, and i doubt any other companies would make the 80he layout pcb

[quasi hinge]

Is there a standard 80 layout?

[ionic breach]

2 popular ones

no standard

[quasi hinge]

and 3rd party cases will be made with the popularity of this board

[quasi hinge]

even if they chose one of those people would complain

[ionic breach]

a few by wooting, a few collab with wooting and a few 3rd party

[ionic breach]

ofc

[quasi hinge]

looking forward to see

[ionic breach]

this is the best layout functionally ofc

anything more or less is not optimal for a tkl imo

[quasi hinge]

I concur good sir

[quasi hinge]

volume knob?

[ionic breach]

but case compatibility is sad

[quasi hinge]

I just miss that

[ionic breach]

nah wooting cooking something u can add to any keyboard

not one soldered into the kb

[quasi hinge]

amazing,

[ionic breach]

hot swappable knob 🔥

[quasi hinge]

like an he switch bnut for volume

[kind helm]

do you use the f row or the 7 other keys often?

[ionic breach]

ye

[kind helm]

the arrow row yea then just do 65. but those other keys?

[quasi hinge]

cuz there are many marbles out there and you are just one of them

[ionic breach]

fn row for shortcuts

like music browser all that

[quasi hinge]

I bought a macropad to compensate

[ionic breach]

and the page up down for their to use their fn for media controls

[quasi hinge]

look how hard I had to compensate

[ionic breach]

ofc i use the 2 parts without the fn layer for their intended purpose ofc

[chilly mural]

I use the 4/6 key above arrow for rhythm game, f5 for quick restart, print screen for screen shot. Actually, for some rhythm game, f key is almost required if you don't wanna move hand from keyboard

[untold wigeon]

@kind helm which case do you have for your 80?

[stone flax]

they have already said they were working with someone to do so

[kind helm]

ain no way i am buying 80

[stone flax]

there is ansi and iso slimmed down

[kind helm]

[quasi hinge]

im gna say it... "f**k fn"

[untold wigeon]

I thought you have one