🔧│keyboard_modding

[kind helm]

wait the fuck are they doing in the video

bro dragging the car with the mousepad

0.0 ?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OL_KfchJi4

[uneven cradle]

very based

can't buy the pad unless it passes the car dragging test

[vague stag]

I have noticed that my backspace stab has started to ping. If it is the left side that is "pinging" - how should I tune it? Can I do it by just using my own hands?

given that the stab itself is so short

[kind helm]

part of me wants to go back to just using the deskmat, i did that for a while and never felt it was "limiting" me in a way :3

[kind helm]

the first thing i would do is just put some lube in the stem

that should fix it if it was fine for a while

[vague stag]

I have lubed them, maybe it has settled poorly

[kind helm]

use grease maybe better

[vague stag]

okay, I'll try that first, dont have a syringe yet, not too keen on disassemble the whole thing 😄

[kind helm]

pull off the cap, lift up the stem and just squeeze some in there

[vague stag]

but great that there are some quick fixes to try first

[kind helm]

you can just buy syringe and grease from amazon

14ga is pretty good for me

[vague stag]

thx

I have Molykote EM-50 for the stabs

[untold wigeon]

@glacial wind I have a Razer Atlas glass pad. The white is awesome and super clean

[safe mulch]

why are my keys getting stuck sometimes?

is there a setting for that

[untold wigeon]

Physically stuck or inputs are repeating?

@safe mulch

[safe mulch]

I’m not sure

Like

U know how when u press the keys the lights turn green

It stays green

[warm mirage]

What are the best switches for the wooting? The jade ones or the geonwork raptor ones

[safe mulch]

Even when I’m not pressing

[warm mirage]

The 60he

[vague stag]

have anybody lubed their Geons top housing to try muting the sound when the stem rests/released agains the top houseing?

and dit it work

[glacial wind]

geon raw he if you want to go geon. Raptors are old and not great unless you stem swap

[compact prawn]

any1 got some nice keycap recommendations

also is stab modding worth it

[vague stag]

what do you mean by stab modding? 🙂 I have a PBTfans keycap set, really happy with them (quality and feel)

if you mean lubing your stabs, then definitely yes!

[quasi hinge]

Go for Geon Raws 50g seems to be the sweet spot

[compact prawn]

thank you thank you

I appreciate it

[prime orbit]

I got the 60g cuz 50 was sold out sadly

However

They feel amazing

Def recommend

[quasi hinge]

You didnt have access to another seller?

https://kbdfans.com/products/geon-raw-he-magnetic-switch?variant=42758834847883

These guys still have stock

[prime orbit]

The shipping was wild

[quasi hinge]

shame

buddy is going for the 40s

preference

[prime orbit]

Oh wait

wtf

The shipping changed???

It was $25

[quasi hinge]

lol

[prime orbit]

Now it’s $9

Bro

[quasi hinge]

do it

[prime orbit]

My fomo is kicking in

[quasi hinge]

fomo it

wahahahahhahaha

[prime orbit]

I JUST CHANGED THEM YESTERDAY

I don’t want to go through the work of changing switches again

Especially since I cracked my pc plate

😭😭

[quasi hinge]

oh no!

fair enough yeah

if you are happy, just leave it

[prime orbit]

I don’t think I’d really notice a diff

To be fair

Only reason I’d consider it

Is for performance gains

[chilly mural]

finger gets strong

[quasi hinge]

maybe, maybe not

[quasi hinge]

Its why I use them, I felt the stronger actuation was not as good for fps

40s are too light for me, my buddy loves them more than the 50s

maybe 60s are perfect for you

[prime orbit]

I had BK

Before

Which are 55 or 56 or sum

[quasi hinge]

Mine were geon raptors

was looking for something close to that

tried the maxs but they were horrible due to 'sticky' issues

so instead of jades, I went raw.... best switch ive used

mind you my experience is limited

[fierce mantle]

Anyone have some recommendations for rubber keyboard feet?
2/4 of mine are pressed into the keyboard and dont have alot of grip anymore which results in the keyboard sliding alot.

[warm mirage]

Ty but i dont know what gf means?

60.0gf

50.0gf

40.0gf

[limpid tinsel]

maybe gram force?

[warm mirage]

I think

The yellow lekkers are at 45.0gf

So

Gonna buy the 40.0gf one

[quasi hinge]

full actuation force

[ionic breach]

grams of force

[warm mirage]

Ok ty

[warm mirage]

All the compatible switches?

[ionic breach]

not all

just the tested ones

also a few have issues

see red/orange text

[warm mirage]

And what is the best one?

[ionic breach]

preference

but theres 3 id reccomend

[warm mirage]

Tell me

[ionic breach]

wooting's lekker v2s, geon raw he and gaterons jades/jade pros

[warm mirage]

K ty

[ionic breach]

i use the raws rn and i love it

[warm mirage]

Ty gonna see if u buy these

[quasi hinge]

Geon raws

[warm mirage]

K ty

Are there any compatibilities for the cases or can I take any as long as it is a 60 percent format?

[quasi hinge]

possible issue with stabs but try stock first

if issues use 1.6 long pole

I use TX

and 50gf Raws

[warm mirage]

Ok ty

[warm mirage]

Gonna buy the 30gf is there any notable difference or they are minimal?

[quasi hinge]

known by 40, 50 and 60

[keen stump]

Which is best for valorant. Rappy snappy oe socd?

[warm mirage]

Socd

[quasi hinge]

goes by full actuation

[warm mirage]

Oh yes my bad

The 40gf ones

[keen stump]

Y not the other one?

[warm mirage]

?

[keen stump]

Rappy snappy

[warm mirage]

Rappy snappy is for better strafe

Socd is for better counter strafe

[keen stump]

Thanks

[warm mirage]

Np

[quiet bay]

this is quite the interesting material

made out of cork

[warm mirage]

kbd fans

Deliver to France ?

[untold wigeon]

What the heck?

[quiet bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZDVSHt9nos&t=650s if u wanna see more lol

it's interesting

it doesn't sound bad

[untold wigeon]

Yeah not too bad

[marsh saffron]

A cork switch plate would be kinda cool

[tawdry tree]

Would cork hold up as a switch plate? It’s normally kinda brittle

[polar girder]

That’s fking sick

[polar girder]

Just put end game switches in and never touch again lol

There’s also “cork sealer”. I’ve seen it from Birkenstock for their midsole lol

[tawdry tree]

let me grab some end game switches rq, oh wait.. 😂

[polar girder]

lol yeah fr

[tawdry tree]

the myth of end game

[polar girder]

I mean the myth of end game but also the infancy of HE

[tawdry tree]

we will have true end game switches one day, I believe 🥹

[lunar sand]

No hobby has endgame stuff

[polar girder]

I mean they kind of do

If you’re reasonable lol

Or incredibly rich

Like frog mini is realistically my end game case

And then with audio just get a bifrosr 2/64 and a decent amp and some 800s and I’ll retire from audio lol

[lunar sand]

Well for audio I have Aune S9C Pro with DT 900 Pro X. It’s going to be my “end game” until something fails Ehehe

For case I like to experiment between acrylic and alum

But I need an acrylic case for the 80

Next year I hope we have their party cases

The same with switches. I have the raws until I have the need to try out something different. That’s the good part of having a wooting. We keep the board try out something different on switches and case

[prime orbit]

Geon raws are fire

Since I broke my pc plate

I’m gonna get the carbon fiber

Should I buy stabs too since I’m going to be rebuilding it again

Or save the money

[polar girder]

I kind of wish I would’ve bought long pole knight stabs when I got the black ones

Just to have in case

[lunar sand]

I’m looking forward that fr4 boards and new cases are available. To try out

[thorn zealot]

i think an s9c pro is a bit overkill for a dt 900

[fallen echo]

if you rebuild, get screw in stabs

[prime orbit]

screw in?

isnt the module have that alr

[fallen echo]

which pcb do you have?

[prime orbit]

60he+

[fallen echo]

then you can get screw ins.

[prime orbit]

why are they better

[fallen echo]

more stable

[prime orbit]

ah

is it hard to install

[fallen echo]

nope

[prime orbit]

and which ones are the best

[fallen echo]

instead of a clip you have a screw

"best" is subjective because they perform very close to each other. popular ones are swagkeys knight, tx ap and staebies

as you are using geon RAWs you want to consider going for the longpole versions of these. you dont need it, but it adds to stability and general keycap compatibility. I went with tx ap 1.6 long pole stabs and love them

[prime orbit]

so there isnt a true best

cuz people said geon raws are the best switch

subjective

gross

[fallen echo]

which I would also put with an asteriks, yeah

[prime orbit]

just tell me what to get lol

[fallen echo]

geons are good

I can only speak for tx ap 1.6 long pole stabs and swagkeys knight v2 long pole. both were solid for me

[prime orbit]

ive heard a lot of people talk about the knights

what color are the ones you mentioned?

[fallen echo]

they come in different colourways. usually black, white and smokey (semi transparent)

[prime orbit]

ok cool

i just want block ones

black

[fallen echo]

I got black tx ap and black swagkeys. so they exist

[tropic urchin]

they didn't have them with the wires for a pic on their website, but they do exist

[lunar sand]

Don’t bought it because of the dt 900s

Bought it because of the equipment itself.

Right now I have the dt. Tomorrow I don’t know. Ehehe

[thorn zealot]

ok good

[lunar sand]

I don’t buy stuff to match something I have. It’s more to be scalable in terms of amp/dac

And it’s amazing. Even my phidelios x2hr got a new life. Super holographic dac.

[prime orbit]

'

which one

[lunar sand]

You are done. Ehehe don’t change those options.

[tulip rapids]

does long pole screw in stabs work on pc plate and steel plate? (wooting version)

[thorn zealot]

yeah i bought a k7 for my iems

so now im set for amps/dacs

[lone dove]

does anyone know where I could get a PC plate for my 80HE? Can't find one, preferably from a UK/EU store

[lunar sand]

My ears don’t like iems. Wish they did Ehehe

[thorn zealot]

yeah my ears didnt like iems at first too

then i just got used to it after a couple weeks

[prime orbit]

so

the tx stabs

$24

the knights

$34

is it worth the extra $10

or is another one i should check

[fallen echo]

they work independently of the plate, yes

[fallen echo]

honestly, if 10 bucks are making you hesitate, get the tx ap. there is no real appreciable difference between these.

[tulip rapids]

alright thanks, i was thinking if i dont like the stem spacers i'll probably buy the long pole stabs

[fallen echo]

thats fair

[tulip rapids]

honestly bro i bought stem spacers and the shipping was like $50

[fallen echo]

but apart from your OCD I dont think there will be a huge difference

[tulip rapids]

get the long poles....

[prime orbit]

https://divinikey.com/collections/keyboard-stabilizers/products/tx-ap-long-pole-screw-in-stabilizers

these ones right

[fallen echo]

yes

[prime orbit]

there is like 5 diff tx ap lmao

[tropic urchin]

they dont 'click' until you find the right eartips, but some have better ear design than others for sure.

[fallen echo]

this. it took me a while but once I had the right IEMs with the perfect diameter between my effed up ear channels, they are absolutely immersive.

[prime orbit]

damn

out of the carbon fiber plate

rip

[tropic urchin]

you dont realize how eartip dependent it can be at first, I absolutely hated the stock tips (and foam tips) and had some regret until I ended up trying like 2-3 separate pairs and found some great feeling ones

[analog mulch]

hello guys, is it worth to buy the Brass weight bar from tofu redux?

[fallen echo]

tbf, I personally am a fan of the PC plate. I know you cracked yous, but they really do sound the best

[fallen echo]

yes

[prime orbit]

im scared to crack it again lmao

[fallen echo]

well, you now know to be more careful

[analog mulch]

k thanks

[prime orbit]

i wassssssss

[tropic urchin]

The only negative opinion i have about IEMs now is that it makes finding wireless earbuds for running/working out impossible to find bc everything now sounds so bad 😭

[fallen echo]

the added weight affects the acoustic of the case

[fallen echo]

haha. yes. I tried some wireless headphones and they were all disgustingly flat in comparison. consider getting a neckband to drive your iems

[tropic urchin]

hmmmm

I might have to look into that maybe

[prime orbit]

oh pathos

[tropic urchin]

I have my Yanyin Canon 2s I could possibly use for that

[kind helm]

galaxy pro buds

[prime orbit]

for the screws in the module

to the case

[fallen echo]

unless yours are like some ridiculous high impedance, a neckband should be able to drive them sufficiently

[prime orbit]

the longer ones needed?

[tropic urchin]

I was also considering these too

[fallen echo]

wat?

[tropic urchin]

Air pods pro 2s were decent, but not the same

[robust siren]

you dont need longer screws if you arent burger mounting

[prime orbit]

These 2

[fallen echo]

for what?

[prime orbit]

I didn’t have screws

They didn’t fit

[kind helm]

https://crinacle.com/rankings/iems/

[prime orbit]

So I need to order some

[fallen echo]

what is your case again?

[kind helm]

i usually check my shit here

[prime orbit]

Redux

With brass

[kind helm]

moondrop wired is the goat

[fallen echo]

okay. these two need the standoffs. check the accessory package that came with it. there should be a blister with 3 standoffs.-

[tropic urchin]

@fallen echo actually you're cooking with the neckband

I might have to do this

[prime orbit]

yeah see

mine didnt come with.....

lmajo

[kind helm]

what are you trying to do?

[prime orbit]

nothin

just asking if i need them

[kind helm]

need what 0.0 ?

i think redux only came with screws, there were no extra standoffs that need to be installed

[robust siren]

the tofu60 redux shouldve came with standoffs

[kind helm]

the standoffs are part of the alu case no?

[robust siren]

well yeah theres 4 already but you could add 2 more

for the middle and one next to the space bar

[kind helm]

ahh

but still dont see why you want more standoff

[robust siren]

you dont need it

[kind helm]

more screw makes the board stiffer

[prime orbit]

im just asking if i should do it lmao

[robust siren]

but i do find the module to flex a lot when taking off keycaps around the spacebar

[kind helm]

hell nah

[prime orbit]

cuz im switching out the plate and the stabs

[kind helm]

this is thockson's board

bro literally took a tool and removed the ones that were there

[robust siren]

i did find that i needed the one closest to the usb cutout

or elase it wouldnt line up

[prime orbit]

so i dont need the standoffs?

[robust siren]

no

[prime orbit]

just the carbon fiber plate

[robust siren]

its optional

[prime orbit]

and stabs

[kind helm]

its horrible

[prime orbit]

im confused now lmao

should i do it or -not

choose for me

plz

LMAO

[robust siren]

i mean hes gonna be using a CF plate there wont be much flex anyways

[prime orbit]

i mean pc plate is the best IG but mine cracked from like nothin so im scared

[kind helm]

cf plate just means the plate and pcb has no flex

but there can still be some bounce between case and pcb

and honestly there is no flex even if you go with a pc plate and you are doing all 8 screws

[robust siren]

no

[prime orbit]

ok so do i try pc plate again?

[kind helm]

https://youtu.be/VNl4cte7XEY?feature=shared bouncy board with cf plate

[robust siren]

cf wont crack that easily

[kind helm]

that depends on what kind of sound you want

[prime orbit]

i dont care for sound

[kind helm]

then whatever plate doesn't matter

[robust siren]

i think he just has the pcb on cotton or whatever its called no?

[prime orbit]

i guess the thock would be better

[kind helm]

polyfill on the standoffs

[robust siren]

yeah this
#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[kind helm]

make up your mind bb

[robust siren]

its also friction mounted so he doesnt even have screws going from the pcb -> case

[kind helm]

thock = deeper sound -> pc plate

[kind helm]

yea

[prime orbit]

ok yeah deeper sound

so i guess im gonna try pc again

[jagged hazel]

black pc plate >

[prime orbit]

cant wait to crack another

[prime orbit]

what i have

sadge it broke

[jagged hazel]

rip

[kind helm]

cf plate sound kinda good from the ones i heard

i probably give it a try if i got the money later on

[jagged hazel]

it looks cool but i havent tried it, just put the pc plate in yesterday

[prime orbit]

plate doesnt matter for performance right

[robust siren]

no

[jagged hazel]

not really

[kind helm]

too much force on it?

[robust siren]

carbon fiber gives your keyboard +10 horsepower

[jagged hazel]

better lap times

[kind helm]

pretty much nothing here in the modding community should improve or reduce your performance

[prime orbit]

i was taking out my switches.......

[kind helm]

LMAO

[gray vapor]

Can the 80he support ISO layout?

[robust siren]

💀

[kind helm]

switch puller on top, then use your finger to push it at the bottom, that would be the easier way

[jagged hazel]

wouldnt switches with shorter travel technically make quicker? for rapid tap at least

[prime orbit]

so

would u believe me

if i did that

LMAO

[robust siren]

its a seperate option, whole different pcb

[kind helm]

but damn dude pc is like the easier one to pull switch

[prime orbit]

yeah im ass

i dont eveer do mod stuff

[kind helm]

the actuation according to what i heard here is a percentage, 0.2 for 4.0 full travel is just a ratio

[gray vapor]

I see. I can't even find that as an option. I already have the module with the raw zinc ordered, just wanted to try iso for fun

[kind helm]

so yea i guess

[jagged hazel]

even then the difference is so small ig

probably wouldnt be noticable

[robust siren]

US doesnt even have the ISO layout , too lazy to get a vpn and check

[kind helm]

thats actually quite big, since apparently a lot of the other he board can't go too low with actuation otherwise things may go weird

but between 0.4 to 0.2 i already don't see a difference

[prime orbit]

does plates change based on switch?

or vice versa

[robust siren]

what

[prime orbit]

like feel

or sound

[robust siren]

you can change plates or switches independently or together

both will change sound

[fallen echo]

happy to inspire you xD

[fallen echo]

whaaat?

[kind helm]

plate change base on what sound you want, similar with switch

but switch has more variety

[tropic urchin]

The best case scenario so far looks to be FIIO UTWS5, but theres no 2 pin option ;_;

[fallen echo]

if they really didnt come with, reach out to kbdfans. these are not even a quarter and I am sure they would be willing to send them

[prime orbit]

ok ok

so

pc plate

tx ap stabs

[fallen echo]

https://www.amazon.com/OEAudio-MMCX-0-78mm-Adapter-Clear/dp/B07XPF1BL5

[prime orbit]

anything else i need?

[fallen echo]

patience. because that is what made that PC plate crack last time. the lack of it

[prime orbit]

something i can buy i meant lmao

patience will come if i break another plate...

[jagged hazel]

The stock stabs arent too bad tho right?

[fallen echo]

no I think apart from that you should be good

[fallen echo]

yep, which is why the stem spacers are like the more budget conscientous option

[kind helm]

i used the stock stab for a year before i brought a long pole stab for fun

only thing that needed some work is the space bar

[jagged hazel]

I might just lube mine and get spacers at some point

[fallen echo]

the great spacebar lubening

[fluid ravine]

@prime orbit dont worry about the cf breaking, cf is one of the stiffest material for a keyboard plate

up there with steel, alu, and brass

[jagged hazel]

other than that, my setup feels really good for now. maybe a tape mod

[fluid ravine]

following cf would be fr4 then the plastic plates

[prime orbit]

well apparently breaking any is a uncommon thing

so i just suck

[robust siren]

you can break anything if you try hard enough

[fallen echo]

could've just hit the QC dud

[robust siren]

[fluid ravine]

i broke my pc plate as well

[jagged hazel]

i was gonna say, they stuffed my pc plate in my small mailbox and it was fine lol. package look liked it got jumped though

[prime orbit]

any discounts for the pc plate

[fallen echo]

in turn, I have ruined a whole batch of geon RAWs by just removing the plate and then pushing them out by thumb, basically chaving off the retention nubs

[kind helm]

i did that

i dont think that actually affect the sound or wobble though

[fluid ravine]

correcto potato

[jagged hazel]

i removed them like that because I dont have a switch puller lmao

[kind helm]

i just have a thick ass cheap ass switch puller that doesn't really hook on to the bottom really well

[fallen echo]

it seemingly doesnt. just makes the switches less securely anchored in the plate so that with tight keycaps you pull them out more easily. but I had the same issue with cherry mx reds from factory

[kind helm]

yea and to me easier to pull is probably a w

[fallen echo]

haha

fair

[kind helm]

pulling from pc was chill, pulling switch out of fr4 is fucking pain

i imagine it would only be worse if it is cf plate

[robust siren]

i dont even wanna try pulling switches from my fr4 plate

[jagged hazel]

I wonder if anyone has tried to 3d print a plate yet

[robust siren]

the puller that came with the 60he+ is almost dead

[kind helm]

maybe not for wooting

[prime orbit]

why does the foam for the pc plate get cut off?

like at the top right

why is it not full foam

[jagged hazel]

at the spacebar too

[kind helm]

but i think Taeha 3d printed a plate before

at least

[kind helm]

try modding a gmk67, i did it last night for my work keyboard. my fingers still hurt rn

[robust siren]

its like that on the prebuilt 60he+ too

[prime orbit]

im just wondering why

[kind helm]

fucking monster made a cheap ass board that uses clip in instead of screws for the case

[prime orbit]

lmao

[fluid ravine]

there wouldn't be any flex at ALL, Wooting's PCB needs precise switch distance between the magnet and sensor which is why they have to screw in the plate and pcb since HE switches don't have clips. And fyi for all of yall, when the plate and pcb is screwed together, there should be almost 0 flex no matter the material. Some softer plates can make the board's typing experience feel softer but it shouldn't feel like it's flexing.

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/melon-gif-16250627802317226661

[fluid ravine]

cute

[kind helm]

i tried no screws between pcb and plate on my salvation and it worked

but it sounds like poop :3

[fluid ravine]

yeah it makes the board sound thinner

[kind helm]

you just gotta have something support it from below

if you dont use screw

[fallen echo]

what is this? applying physics and electrotech to a bunch of cavemen who go to war over the sound a magnetic switch makes? are you mad?

[kind helm]

like the leaf spring

[robust siren]

every time i see this short.. istg hes not drinking something

[fluid ravine]

like take the module without the screws and everything and just like put pressure on one side of the plate and do a sound test and compare it to the other side with no pressure

you can notice which one sounds like fuller and louder vs the other side sounding thinner

[fluid ravine]

[kind helm]

i never use screw between plate and pcb when i was working on mx switch with gasket mount case, but i guess for the type of mount that HE switch can actually do, that particular experience doesn't apply well :3

[fluid ravine]

you dont really need screws for MX boards to screw in the plate and pcb

[kind helm]

yea i miss the 2 pins

i wanna try plateless salvation raw he

[fluid ravine]

gl with that..

[kind helm]

if i have the 2 pins i would

but i think currently switches will go flying

[fluid ravine]

yeah it's not stable at all

if the stick rice was successful you could do a plateless build

[kind helm]

i was honestly thinking sticky rice bottom with raw top

but too much work for me

i only got time to chill but not a whole day of time to do a experiment like that

[fluid ravine]

You got stick riceM

?

[kind helm]

nah

i will have to buy them if i wanna try that

I like my current setup enough to force myself to STOP IT

[prime orbit]

$50 on some stabs and a new plate

sadge

im sorry wallet

[stone wharf]

i need krytox l25 right

[kind helm]

👀 maybe a L take but i think krytox for keyboard is overrated

[stone wharf]

what do i use then?

[kind helm]

for wire i use the grease, for stem i mix the grease with a bit of oil in the syringe

[stone wharf]

oh

bro i just hope my wooting comes with a good spacebar

😢😢

[stone wharf]

can i just use this?

[kind helm]

yea that is just more expensive

[ornate quest]

don't think wooting would sell that if they thought it wouldn't work

[stone wharf]

sorry idk anything abt modding

once i buy that i just need a lube syringe right?

[ornate quest]

you could also just use small brushes

[kind helm]

wire grease goes to the wire and switch lube goes to the stem

[stone wharf]

where can i the link to the second one

[ornate quest]

that is from the one on the wooting store you linked yourself

[kind helm]

I just pour the stuff into a syringe i brought from amazon, but you don't have to, i just find that more convenient for me

the set you show includes both the lube and the grease

[stone wharf]

ik but where do i buy the wire grease from?

[odd haven]

its combined?!

[stone wharf]

oh i didn’t see that

oops

[odd haven]

its really good pricing for both

[stone wharf]

ima get that

[odd haven]

same?

did you buy the 80he?

[stone wharf]

ik the wire grease by itself is 30 dollars

on amazon

[odd haven]

yh

[stone wharf]

gonna buy it soon i’m just worried the spacebar is gonna sound like shit

[kind helm]

nah

[odd haven]

yh thats why i ordered the durock v2's

and i need lube

so i bought the lube on their site

[odd haven]

it is

[kind helm]

:3 i use super lube, grease and oil each cost less than 10, i get the syringe, total probably about 30, but i can make at least 5 times more lube than these

[ornate quest]

it's probably a lot more than in the wooting set, but for only lubing once that's more than enough

[odd haven]

well i dont need to get my hands dirty

[stone wharf]

yeah

[stone wharf]

check dms

[tulip rapids]

hawk tuah girl has better lube

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-tuesday-hawk-tuah-hawk-tuahsday-gif-1117199666638549289

[kind helm]

[visual moat]

is the wooting 60he good for $90 used

[robust siren]

its good for however much you want to pay

[tawdry tree]

A Raw HE top housing doesn’t fit on a Haimu Sticky Rice (the ones with the clip-in mounting pins) bottom housing sadly.

[kind helm]

yeeeeaa i think you or someone else in the channel told me before

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar I swapped out the RAW spring for a Max for science and it sounds a lot closer to how I imagined the jades would sound, the god switches might perfect this 👀

[calm pulsar]

with max spring raws probably have a snappier top out, which I like

and if you add the deng god bottom to this then yeah the sound will be pretty much perfect jades

[tropic urchin]

It also sounds like 2x louder with the max springs

[tulip rapids]

i need my pc plate order from wooting to hurry up so i can start modding

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[fluid ravine]

Just talk modding rn

[sweet oak]

Always talk modding

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I’m 100% swapping out all my springs

[tulip rapids]

peoepebpbobp opop pc late cvdshfcp cpc geon raw switches

[fluid ravine]

Like how we use to make predictions or hypothesis on how what we buy will change something

[tulip rapids]

you know why its called geon raw HE switches right? its for the HEHEHEHEH EHEEEEEEEEEE

[fluid ravine]

That's one way to talk modding

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-dance-groove-moves-gif-24304333

[sweet oak]

Lube lube stabalizers, clip screws friction mount burger

[tulip rapids]

burger burger mount, tape mod 3 layer tape tape tape

[sweet oak]

[fluid ravine]

Heres a topic @tulip rapids
What do you expect or looking forward to when you install your PC plate

[fallen echo]

Imma be honest, I dont hear any difference when tapemodding

[untold wigeon]

That’s suspiciously cheap

Average low prices are $150-$225

[marsh saffron]

• make sure they will transfer warranty

[tulip rapids]

really? so many people stand by it

[tulip rapids]

idk tbh

honestly more worried about taking the wires out from the stab and bending them😭

or ruining the keyboard mobo

[fallen echo]

so many people stand by a lot of bs.

Like, I am willing to entertain that some people hear a difference.

I dont.

So go for it and be merry.

Idgaf

[calm pulsar]

I think tape mod is not it on HE boards

didnt like it

[marsh saffron]

i hear a difference with tape mod, i just dont think its a better sound

[uneven cradle]

If your keyboards already filled with foam the difference isn't much imo

[fallen echo]

I swear, the custom keyboard community is like the slow cousin of the audiophile community. We have known for decades what materials work efficiently to shape sound and how pointless layered soundshaping is

[limpid tinsel]

will this fit on the wooting? https://www.adafruit.com/product/5074

i need a purple one tho

[limpid tinsel]

how?

i mean what are the steps i need to take for it to be good?

do i scratch it first?

hm. what would you suggest for aluminum?

also how are you guys smart enough to just know this stuff??? 😭

[calm pulsar]

internet???

[limpid tinsel]

i tried looking it up but no results

[calm pulsar]

one thing though, you could theoretically just drill holes and mount standoffs on this plate and use it on wooting, but you have to make sure it is the correct layout and there's anough space to drill the holes in the exact places as on your original plate

you could also just get a black plate and look for purple case and keycaps, so that the stock white plate wouldn't be seen under the keycaps 😄

[limpid tinsel]

i have a black case with black and purple keycaps, i just wanted the plate to match the legends but ig that will work! thanks for the help!

[marsh granite]

what's the difference between l45 and l60 switches

[calm pulsar]

how strong the spring is

that's it

[marsh granite]

ok

what's better

[limpid tinsel]

really its just preference

i personally like 60 grams better

its just how hard u gotta push the spring

[novel bramble]

heavier springs will have better rebound and stability.

[calm pulsar]

60g isnt even tiring
now 100g on the other hand

[novel bramble]

got to work those fingers

[untold wigeon]

After a week you get totally used to it. You hardly notice

[calm pulsar]

I agree, for me 70g were completely fine

though I fell in love with the springs in newer gateron switches

[lost garnet]

what is good thocky 60he build

cerakeys good?

my idea so far is a tofu60 redux with brass plate, pc plate, raw he switches, cerakeys

[visual moat]

i just got some new black keycaps hopefully they make my 60he run faster

[quasi hinge]

Trick question lol

Geon Raws are best

[quasi hinge]

No, just increase in FPS

[cyan summit]

wrong. rgb increases FPS

[quasi hinge]

Right!

My mistake, this guy is correct!

[cyan summit]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-party-rave-changing-colors-gif-16689346

[quasi hinge]

The black keycaps increase the Mghz of the cores

[cyan summit]

so.. more fps indirectly

[quasi hinge]

Everything is more fps indirectly

Its how I got infinite hyper threading

[visual moat]

do yall like my setup

[quasi hinge]

Very minimalist

What mousepad you using?

[calm pulsar]

requires a monitor arm for extra cleanliness

[visual moat]

is there anything else i should change

[visual moat]

what monitor arm should i get. maybe one that wont break my cardboard linnmon desk

[calm pulsar]

I have one for 2 monitors, it attaches fine to my wooden desk, but I got one that is only locally sold, so not sure what to recommend

[visual moat]

is there anything else i should change to make the setup better

[calm pulsar]

the rest looks fine to me
not a fan of curved monitors but that's personal xd

[visual moat]

i have something curved

[calm pulsar]

rip

[visual moat]

what

[calm pulsar]

what

[visual moat]

what else should i change

oh maybe the wooting cable because it yellow

[calm pulsar]

true

[visual moat]

i need a black braided usb-c cable under 6ft length

help me

[calm pulsar]

I got a thick one from kbdfans

[visual moat]

ew i dont want one like that

i want a normal one that is one piece

[polar girder]

Like that?

[visual moat]

yea but not that ugly design just regular braided black

[polar girder]

Gotcha

[calm pulsar]

just get any black cable for phone then, not like it's hard to find

[quasi hinge]

Depends what games you play

[visual moat]

cs2

[quasi hinge]

You could look at mousemads

Unless you are happy with yours

But the monitor arm suggestion was good

[robust siren]

im currently using this https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Monitor-Mount-Stand-Adjustable/dp/B07X262MRK/ref=sr_1_4?

[twilit ivy]

https://modedesigns.com/products/sonnet-weight
Looking here, which would provide me with the best thock sound or does this not matter? I am chasing https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ktj_0C59FQw number 2 from here

[uneven cradle]

owning a dual monitor mount I wish I just two separate single monitor arms way more convenient

[robust siren]

well i got it for free so im not complaining

but yes, 2 single arms are better

[visual moat]

can i clamp this to my cardboard linnmon desk

[quiet bay]

just my preference but I'd rather have one monitor facing me straight than both being angled to me

[fluid ravine]

I'm over here suffering doing cable management all over again for the 5th time

[robust siren]

i would too but the hdmi/dp cable wasnt long enough

[quiet bay]

rip

they're pretty cheap though can grab one for like under 10 dollars

[fluid ravine]

Moved my PC to the left side of my desk and rerouting the cables to also make sure there's enough length for my table to be at a standing height

[robust siren]

yeah ill buy it some other day

[quiet bay]

my pc would look cursed on the left side of my desk

[robust siren]

oh i gave up trying to cable manage

its tragic out here

[fluid ravine]

Mine was absolutely fine for being a open space setup

But apparently someone made my table stand all the way up at maximum height and it fked up all my cables

[robust siren]

its mostly cause i just leave my sim wheel near my desk and theres 4 wires alone going to that

[fluid ravine]

Now I'm trying to make sure there's length for the cables not to be yanked off while the table is raised

And I feel like playing while standing some time

Idk what to do with the extra length of cable for my XLR and audio interface rn

Like what the flip

[twilit ivy]

bump

guys this is a kb modding channel. not desk/wire management... js

[calm pulsar]

lol your phone takes long pics

[fluid ravine]

We talk about random shi in here everyday so it's wtv

[twilit ivy]

I get that but I was told to come to this channel as the other isnt appropriate. just passing along the love.

[robust siren]

i dont think weight material matters (dont quote me)

[calm pulsar]

weight is just a weight, what matters is that it provides it, but not the material

[robust siren]

its mostly there to fill a void (probably)

[fluid ravine]

And to answer your question, no, internal weight doesn't affect the sound profile of the board except it's density and hollowness/ping of the board

[twilit ivy]

I want 0 ping

fucking hate ping

[calm pulsar]

so install a weight lul

[twilit ivy]

which reduces ping the post?

most

[robust siren]

we just said the material doesnt matter…

[calm pulsar]

statistically pvd reduces ping by 0.056% more than other materials (just made it up)

[robust siren]

as long as it fits it works

[twilit ivy]

This is what I am looking for.

[fluid ravine]

Weight translates to density, and density also translates to how much ping the case will give out

Smth smth that CAM said

[robust siren]

[fluid ravine]

I ain't gonna quote

[robust siren]

“so basically sum sum hauntson said sum sum and thats it”

[fluid ravine]

Yeth

[robust siren]

eat it

[fluid ravine]

Lol

[robust siren]

nah but i get that, my quadcast cable is so long for no reason

well actually the reason is for it to be mounted on a mic arm but i dont care enough to get one

[calm pulsar]

mic arm is cool but I have the most trash one that came bundled with fifine lol

[fluid ravine]

Yeah I got some random cheap ol boom arm as well

Just one strand of cables

While it's standing

Lowest setting

Idk on how to hide this
Is there like cable sleeves on the internet?

[calm pulsar]

I think there should be a ton on like amazon

[fluid ravine]

ye i just searched it up

i feel like my dad has some but at the same time i dont

[tulip rapids]

that is true. im just asking for advice and opinions since im new to the modding industry

[calm pulsar]

a lot of things like plate material, switches, tape mod etc are best experienced personally in order to form your preference

ofc it doesnt mean you have to buy every single thing, you can still gauge what you might like or not by listening to sound tests

[kind helm]

what if i like multiple different ones

[calm pulsar]

I still swap my keycap sets and fr4 and alu plates from time to time hehe

[fluid ravine]

just work what with you have id say

or planning to have

[kind helm]

i am thinking of making the setup you have when i got time :3

and the cardboard thingy

lmao

[fluid ravine]

chat i cant read shhhhhhhhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/frye-dyslexic-gif-4978104

[novel nexus]

Does anyone have this issue on acrylic cases or did I fit the module wrong?

[calm pulsar]

there is some room for movement on the location of the screw on pcb, so it can potentially be a bit off

I think you might need to recrew it

[novel nexus]

aghh thanks, ill look into it

[twilit ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ6O3bWQlbM

wtf its faster than the wooting?

And it's cheaper???

[calm pulsar]

faster by 1ms and goofy ass design

[twilit ivy]

I need that 1ms

I am that fast.

I think the wooting devs should update their firmware so I can have that .5 ms response time.

[calm pulsar]

might want to look into 80he then

[twilit ivy]

I have one on order, batch 3.

2025

[calm pulsar]

well 80he has 8khz polling rate as well, and it's probably faster than this nuphy cause wootings firmware and software is very well made

[glacial wind]

where are they actually getting these latency numbers?

[twilit ivy]

Well in that review, he gave a different one that is on the on the website

[glacial wind]

because as far as I know it is not 1 ms faster (not that ms latency differences matter once you're past optimized 1k anyway)

[twilit ivy]

in the review it's .6

[glacial wind]

yes but where is he getting the numbers from

[twilit ivy]

well multiple people are saying less than the wooting.

[glacial wind]

yes but where are they getting their numbers from

[paper bloom]

Better to find the proper data

[twilit ivy]

I DONT KNOW!!!!

[paper bloom]

Yea dw about that

[glacial wind]

yeah which seems to me that they're just reading random manu numbers then and it's bs

unless they actually have it tested it's usually bs

[calm pulsar]

wooting has a video where they are measuring latency live on some expo

[paper bloom]

They didnt measure the nuphy ones

They measured the ones from higrnd

[uneven cradle]

Yeah well the fastest keyboards are in that range and are 8k polling and scanning this is 2k scanning so highly unlikely that it is comparable

[paper bloom]

If im not wrong

[glacial wind]

oh this review is from september lol. He's talking about the 60he

[paper bloom]

O lol

[uneven cradle]

Even still 0.6ms is straight out of the marketing material

[glacial wind]

the nuphy 60% is same-ish speed as the 80he, which makes it highly unlikely the 75% is as fast because it's more keys

either way it's pointless numbers anyway

[twilit ivy]

So if they are making up numbers, is wooting making up numbers?

[glacial wind]

https://m.eyejokerdb.com/키보드

there you go, have a look at the latency tests yourself

wooting is the fastest keyboard that is bigger than 60%

[twilit ivy]

no idea what any of this says

kk

[glacial wind]

it's basically checking the input latency of all the keyboards

[calm pulsar]

damnn geon is da goat!!
so glad to have a venom 60 he

[glacial wind]

you can sort that list by average latency and you'll see normally smaller keyboards = higher on the list because they have less keys to scan

[paper bloom]

Now i kinda wanna cop the venom 60He

[flat cobalt]

I actually really love that design lol how far out it is

[calm pulsar]

praise be Geon🙏

[glacial wind]

the nuphy 60% roughly matches the average for the wooting 80he, which means if it's running similar software on their 75% then it cannot be same speed because the speed will always fall with more keys (0.21 ms average press/release)

[calm pulsar]

im gonna rebuild it in a Luminkey LX60 blackout

[glacial wind]

but again key input latency at this stage among all decent 8k boards is roughly within 0.5 ms differences anyway from best to mid, so it's not something you should care about

[paper bloom]

Im either getting a 80 or hold back for the new optimum case

[paper bloom]

Is the venom mid port or side port

[glacial wind]

what you should care about is consistency of the key press, whether you get incorrect inputs/releases, noise curves for stability etc

[calm pulsar]

that's the awesome thing, it has both options plus has proper gummy cutouts

[paper bloom]

Lets goo

Looks like i might cop it

[uneven cradle]

The new owlabs case has me 👀

[calm pulsar]

note that there's no rgb though, only capslock south led, but for me it's good

[paper bloom]

Who needs rgb

If u got an 60he variant that has 8k

[calm pulsar]

it also has option for 7u spacebar and split backspace

[paper bloom]

Thats hella nice icl

[paper bloom]

Send pic

[calm pulsar]

it's the new collab with wooting

60% case

its in the last video

[uneven cradle]

https://youtu.be/TpkMFs32eDI

Around 5 minute mark

[calm pulsar]

its kinda cool that it's like the stock plastic case on 60he but aluminum

[paper bloom]

Thats actually insane

[ionic breach]

rose gold is a nice choice

dont see that often outside china

[paper bloom]

This looks like a

5-7 degree case

[glacial wind]

usually 7 degrees if owlabs sticks to their usual angle

[paper bloom]

I c

[viral vine]

this is how my keyboard sounds (60he+, tofu 60 redux, foam in case and on pcb, default stabs, geon raw 50g) how do i make the stabs sound better?

ignore shit typing and crunchy left click

[glacial wind]

stab sounds fine to me, i didn't hear any rattle

what do you want to change about the stab sound?

[viral vine]

they sound a little pingy

well like not the stabs

but like they keys with the stabs sound a little pingy

[glacial wind]

you could throw some foam into the space bar in particular

but the long keys will always sound a little different just due to how they are

For example this is the 80he with raw he and space bar using foam

[kind helm]

you don't like clack?

[viral vine]

my backspace tends to get stuck at the bottom too

[kind helm]

overlubed maybe

spam it a couple times then you good

[glacial wind]

are you using stock keycaps?

[viral vine]

no

[glacial wind]

are they cheap keycaps? check if they're flat

[viral vine]

but it didnt happen on my last keyboard with these caps

[kind helm]

happened to my left shift before, me randomly shift walking in val xD

[viral vine]

wdym flast

flat

[glacial wind]

different tightness of stabs can affect warped keycaps differently

aka place the backspace on a flat surface and ssee if there's any wobble/bend

[viral vine]

nope its flat

[glacial wind]

maybe give the stabs a relube then

[viral vine]

i tried changing the keycap and it still gets stuck

ah okie

uhhh

does that mean i have to take the whole thing apart T-T

[glacial wind]

personally i always relube the stabs myself because stock lubing on any board is never great on stabs - can be very hit or miss

[kind helm]

did you do any sort of holee mod or plumber's mod

[glacial wind]

yeah, that does suck but yeah

[viral vine]

nope idts

[kind helm]

if it is just returning slowly its likely that stab is just overlubed

just spam, no cap

[viral vine]

wait yeah there is lube leaking out of the top

[kind helm]

out of the top?!

how did you lube it

[viral vine]

its not like a lot or anything

i didnt touch the stabs

[calm pulsar]

I usually lube all my keycaps for smoother experience

[kind helm]

LMAO

[viral vine]

i lube my hands

[kind helm]

i legit lube things when i install them though

like plate mount i would lube the outside of the housing to help it to clip in easier

[glacial wind]

honestly my latest thing has been experimenting with xht-bdz in knight v2 stabs. It's turned out pretty well but I go super super thin on the coating of the wire to avoid overlubing

[viral vine]

yeah the backspace feels heavy

[calm pulsar]

I might try that when I rebuild

[glacial wind]

normally you avoid the heavier lubes in knight v2 and such but with just the thinnest coat it seems fine

and i just love xht-bdz because you always get no rattle/ping if you use it lol

[kind helm]

i like the way alexoto does it, a thin layer brush on wire at first

[viral vine]

it feels almost twice as heavy as my space bar

[kind helm]

then as you need more you add to the stem with a syringe

that way you are least likely to overlube

[glacial wind]

probably overlube then, you shouldn't have any heavy feel on the stab unless it's warped keycap or overlube. Like in the video i posted you see there's no delay in return even though that's a stab with thicker lube than normally recommended for it

[viral vine]

mine feels like its meeting my finger at the top instead of coming up with my finger ykwim

[glacial wind]

but then again I never used a wooting stab fully stock so I don't know how the 80he lube was stock, just always relubed it myself

[kind helm]

you can clean it quite easily if you just stick a small piece of tissue through the stem with a tweezer

but of course you do need to take out the stab :3

and spend like 5 to 10 min on it

[loud gull]

Tried to remove the sandwich pad to see what it does with the sound.
First inserted the poron pad we use on the 60HE. Then use it without anything at all.

Video of this will also come later. 🙂

[glacial wind]

oo magneto

do any wooting staff from the expo have the magneto pom version samples to try?

[kind helm]

those are hella expensive

[glacial wind]

yeah the magneto pom are the only ones that really interested me because they should be smoother but who knows until they're actually out for public to try

[kind helm]

i thought its out already no?

[loud gull]

I also got pom switches yeah

I prefer the non-pom tho

Smoothness of the normale magnetos are already pretty good

[glacial wind]

nah not yet. They announced it but didn't sell it publicly yet

[loud gull]

I can give a quick sound test. But I don't have a silicone pad anymore hehe

Think I will quickly install my silicone again, I like it much better lol

[glacial wind]

yeah i'd be curious to see how the pom version sounds vs the normal ttc magneto

ttc have a million new switches too, including the budget 'not quite magneto' box stem ones

uranus esports/se/standard switch

[kind helm]

yeee i can't tell which is which anymore, the full pom version is the same color as the regular one

i am so lost

[uneven cradle]

once those plate design files come out I could be keen to order a PP plate for the 80HE 👀

[glacial wind]

magneto is magneto normal (purple bottom clear top), magneto rgb (clear), magneto pom (purple top). Then uranus is uranus esports/se/standard in just 3 random color mixes

[kind helm]

"Lastly, TTC has introduces a brand new Full POM version for the Magneto switches. This is claimed to be smoother and more durable. It has an identical Purple and Red build as the OG Magneto switches. "

mechkeys trolled me

[paper bloom]

Do u want to try cardboard ?

LOOL

[kind helm]

ah

[glacial wind]

then uranus is these 3

[kind helm]

i was able to find some of these on ae

i think i heard some of those sound tests on bilibili. i am more surprised by the fact that not many videos have talked about raw he on that site

[glacial wind]

uranus seems to be magneto but without the stem swap bottom thingy and different length springs. RGB Magneto seems to be a very slightly improved tolerance over the regular magneto

and pom magneto is the question mark as to whether it's using the slightly tighter tolerance rgb magneto or regular magneto

[glacial wind]

it's cause geon raw he don't come stock in any boards, but ttc has a lot of deals in china now where many chinese boards now come stock with ttc magnetos

so to get geon raw he you'd have to specifically go out of your way to order them

[paper bloom]

Basucally ppl want

Convienance

Enthusisats go for a treasure hunt

Like its a treasure chest hunt

[paper bloom]

Basically*

[kind helm]

something i saw on bilibili. i think they do care, just haven't made it over there yet. list on the left is :price, stability, actuation precision, sound, feel, value(like price to performance)

jaade max and jade pro 5 starts on sound btw

P R E F E R E N C E

[loud gull]

@glacial wind First is regular transparant onces. Second is the purple and red housing pom magnetos

POM magnetos are a tad bit louder. Which I don't like tbh.

[kind helm]

also higher pitch it sounds like

[loud gull]

Think it is about the same, but just because it is louder it is more noticable

[glacial wind]

any feel difference?

[fallen echo]

which switches are the one on the far right?

[kind helm]

OG jade i think

[glacial wind]

the other problem with the stability tests is they only test bottom out too

like my peony he box stem switches are equal to magneto in stability tests but they wobble more at the top than my raw he

[kind helm]

yea

[glacial wind]

so their bottom stability is better but top stability is worse (but they don't really test top stability which is annoying)

there's also a question of how much does the bottom stability matter if you aren't bottoming out and holding a key fully bottomed out for long periods of time

[kind helm]

i guess he couldve pull out the cap and just use a switch puller/ tweezer to test that with the same software

[fallen echo]

serious question: how much and where does the stability actually matter?

[glacial wind]

only when using very extreme sensitive settings

[fallen echo]

that's what my impression was too

[loud gull]

Both seems quite similar

[kind helm]

nice deskmat and keycap combo

[glacial wind]

the big reason it's gone viral mode in china is because their boards allow absurdly sensitive configs like 0.05 rt, which is so sensitive the wobble of your desk can trigger it and some boards won't even allow you to set it unless you're using box stem switches

[loud gull]

Only thing is that the Regular magneto with transparant housing atleast has the RGB window Integrated

[kind helm]

love when people do that, beautiful

[kind helm]

yea

[fallen echo]

I see. thanks for explaining that!

[kind helm]

it does look like "stability" relates to the actuation, then its just a matter of wobble

which raw does a good job at

[loud gull]

Feel like the pom switches feel lighter, or atleast the bottom out seems softer

[glacial wind]

the ttc magneto pom are going to be crazy priced too. RGB Magneto is already like $1 a switch and the chinese site lists the ttc pom price a bit higher than rgb magneto

[loud gull]

The magneto switches do have more parts compared to the jades for instance

Atleast the stem is like a 2-parter

[loud gull]

Still 1 dollar a switch is beyond what I would ever pay. 50 cents would be the absolute max for me.

[glacial wind]

i expect $1.10 or $1.20 launch price for the ttc pom

[kind helm]

that kinda of actuation sensitivity is not adjustable in wooting yet right(also to be honest, that is measured in difference in travel 0.01mm of travel, how tf can anyone tell the difference)

[uneven cradle]

Raw HEs

[loud gull]

Think most of the sales then come from pre-assembled keyboards delivering with the switches

[kind helm]

surely i hit my shot if i set it to 0.01mm travel

[glacial wind]

yeah the pricing seems to incentivise buying some of the stock boards with them honestly

because I can buy an entire keyboard that comes with ttc magneto stock for the cost of the 90 switches on aliexpress

[kind helm]

maybe a marketing strat

through colab with keeb companies

[loud gull]

Same a bit with the jades. Theres like boards coming that cost 100 bucks, nearly the same price as the switches lol

[uneven cradle]

hey Sander when can we expect the Wooting orange keycap set?

[loud gull]

I mean, if I were CEO instantly

But yeah, my voice is not as powerful unfortunately D:

Still pushing them to get a kings day keycap set adventually 😛

[uneven cradle]

I look forward to it

just gotta get some more bribes in

[glacial wind]

the only 1 interesting effect bottom stability does give to HE keyboards is the deadzone is reduced just purely due to less movement at the bottom out it seems

[uneven cradle]

I know there's been a resurgence of alert sets maybe we can get an orange alert

[glacial wind]

like just changing the 80he's switch from lekker v2 to magneto drops the deadzone at the bottom from 0.15 or so to 0.03

[kind helm]

have you tested that? no way lekker is that bad

[glacial wind]

it's not so much that it's bad, that's just normal movement of an average switch at bottom out if not box stem

[kind helm]

cause if the og jade can do 0.05, then i would kinda expect lekker v2 can at least be on that same level

[glacial wind]

it's not so much about 'it can do x' but rather what it actually measures

i'm talking the actual measurement, not the marketing claim or allowed deadzone

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zH1zYcEHN/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

so first switch you can see shows 0.3 or so dead, which is 0.15 rt + 0.15 deadzone, then using the magneto and uranus you see the overall movement of the switch drops it to 0.18, which is 0.15 rt + 0.03 deadzone

[kind helm]

s44t i thought it was more about the lowest rt setting you can go

[glacial wind]

nah just the setting lowest is often a bunch of bs because anyone can 'allow' a keyboard to set those settings - but doesn't mean it's stable or usable

so what is measured is usually more useful than just the random manu 'lowest setting possible' claims

[kind helm]

yea i was looking at this one before you sent that link

this is testing to see how low the rt can be set without causing the actuation to break off as you are holding it

where as the one you sent in the link is testing the release

[glacial wind]

the problem with those tests is it's also depending on the keyboard itself

[kind helm]

the one that test the release may not be good now i think about it

[glacial wind]

the firmware that keyboard uses, how much noise control curve they apply etc. So one keyboard setting 0.05 is not equal to another keyboard setting 0.05 etc

[kind helm]

because wooting auto calibrates right, idk if that would behave properly with him putting different types of switches in one keeb

idk i can be braindead at times :3

[glacial wind]

calibration is one thing but that is totally separate to how much noise curve and processing a keyboard does with it's sensitive settings

for example geon venom 60he purposely went back from 0 deadzone to 0.1 deadzone because even though it could measure and be used at 0 deadzone, it ended up causing more issues

so 0.1 deadzone was actually preferable to a 0 deadzone that won on testing

[kind helm]

ahh yea

[formal ferry]

can you make an he keyboard sounds like a mechanical one or is it not possible yet?

[kind helm]

he keyboard can sound as good now in my opinion but they dont sound like mx keyboard

like you can't change the fact that mx switches is gonna have a pin in there and he switches gotta have magnet in there

[formal ferry]

i havent found any guide to make them sound as soft as a mx one

[kind helm]

EMBRACE THE CLACK

EMBRACE THE STIFFNESS

[gaunt plume]

Yeah.
16pcs for $14.6.

[glacial wind]

yeah it's so insanely priced

[untold wigeon]

Box stem is….

https://tenor.com/view/devil-waterboy-momma-football-ancestry-gif-4930669809320276198

[vague stag]

anyone with Geon raws and a PC plate that have recorded how it sounds with out any switch pad foams?

just tired the silicon switch pad, kind of like it but wonder how it will sound without anything (had Poron previously)

guess I am lazy, just swapped to the silicon - probably will do it sometime though

[polar girder]

Hype

They look great. Won’t have time to throw them on until later tho

[fallen echo]

https://mechboards.co.uk/products/hyper-7-v4 I am tempted.

[twilit quest]

hey guys i got a quick question
if i were to install cherry profile keycaps would i need to rotate the switch to make it south facing in order to avoid interference?
im having a hard time finding oem profile keycaps for iso de layout

[fallen echo]

no, you dont need to turn them around

unless you have an overly thick keycap set, there is more than enough clearance on the usual lekkers, gaterons or geons

[twilit quest]

alright thank you
appreciate it

[tawdry tree]

TTC Uranus is on the list but Raw HE isn’t on it? Shout out my dude TTC Uranus!

[jagged hazel]

Just got these cuties

[polar girder]

Nice

[jagged hazel]

Think theyre gonna look sick with the silver tofu60

Plus better than the cheap clones i currently have