🔧│keyboard_modding

[stone flax]

check divinikey

[robust siren]

pc is polycarbonate, a lot softer than fr4

this making it produce a slightly deeper sound

[tulip rapids]

yea just trying to find what sound i prefer

[naive crest]

i feel like left stab is less lubed

[tulip rapids]

i watched a video of something using pc plate with silcone vs pc with foam

[stone flax]

at the same thickness and design yeah

[tulip rapids]

and idk the steel sounded the best

[untold wigeon]

And what are they called?

[stone flax]

geon raw he

[robust siren]

😅 then go with steel if thats what you prefer

[tulip rapids]

https://youtu.be/EjIHyIxfUwA?si=NCEBumMYCMEzsdzM

[robust siren]

theres someone with a carbon fiber plate

[untold wigeon]

Can I DM you?

[tulip rapids]

i want the sound of thunder when i type to let my enemies know THOR WILL STRIKE THEM DOWN WITH HIS HAMMER nyeheheh

[stone flax]

sure

[robust siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1287578788414226454/20240918_163619.mp4?ex=67199bb1&is=67184a31&hm=c1b062f4fc26f67502a0362d90a591da9f88bea0597172f80e5b9cb8ce36323e&

he has the keyboard mod list a few messages below

oh wait i linked the video

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[untold wigeon]

Sent you a DM.

[robust siren]

anyways its time to test stock wooting and gmk clone spacebars on geon raws with standard travel sw knights

[stone flax]

gmk spacebars hit hard

[naive crest]

so it's either not enough lube or tray mount but i guess there is nothing else i could do besides lubing it?

[stone flax]

lube it

wire balance if needed

maybe take out screw on mounting point near spacebar

lotta things u can try

[robust siren]

yk what the clone spacebar doesnt sound that bad

though it is pretty slow to return

there is definitely something off with the spacebar

right stab feels a bit scratchy

[naive crest]

how to do that?

[stone flax]

is there ticking

dont do stuff to do stuff

actually have a reason

[naive crest]

only the left side of the spacebar sounds a lil different

i think that lubbing left stab would solve it

[stone flax]

no harm no foul

[random loom]

80he POM sandwich pad when :3

[untold wigeon]

@kind helm @robust siren for the geon raw HE, which bottom out? 40g?

[robust siren]

well according to my name, i do quite like 40 grams

but its personal preference

[untold wigeon]

Why do you like them the most? Just curious so I know what I may like

[stone flax]

prefe with a side of rence

[robust siren]

i liked them because theyre... well light

[stone flax]

have u ever typed on a mech or he switch

[robust siren]

i type a bunch

[stone flax]

we can find out rn

what u might like

[untold wigeon]

Never

[kind helm]

spring force

if you wanna go to the extreme, lower force being easier to press down is better for gaming

[stone flax]

fake

[kind helm]

how do you mean :3

[untold wigeon]

Yeah that makes sense to me

[pliant kernel]

I basically hammer my keyboard while typing, so I want 100g springs now

[kind helm]

the difference is incredibly small though

[robust siren]

i have noticed after using raw 40 grams for a while, its incredibly hard to go back to 60s (comparing them to razer optical linears)

[untold wigeon]

bought these now

[stone flax]

fake

[pliant kernel]

Jeez, you always have easy time with low shipping cost for this

[robust siren]

i currently dont have any clue where my L60s are

i think someone ate them

[stone flax]

more lighter =/= more better for gaming when ur talking simple ranges

like 40 to 60g bottom out

[kind helm]

the start force is lower too no?

or i am tripping

[robust siren]

it is

[stone flax]

ya

[untold wigeon]

Why?

[violet river]

nice

[stone flax]

because u can just as easily argue that ur gain in easier actuation leads to misinputs, slower rebound, and loss in granularity

its never as easy as mOrE lIghTeR bEtTeR

[kind helm]

true, i was just thinking in terms of the speed of the press

[stone flax]

be honest

ur not gaining even a fraction of a millisecond

[kind helm]

and the difference is extra small with the wooting's adjustable actuation

yep

that is why i said "if you go to the extreme"

[untold wigeon]

so what would you recommend @stone flax

60g?

[pliant kernel]

Springs aren't linear force

[stone flax]

what are u used to

[stone flax]

depends on the spring

depends on the switch

it can be linear from preload to bottom out

there can be a bump

there can be a pronounced curve

etcetc

etc

etc

[pliant kernel]

etcera

[kind helm]

tactile HE switch

[stone flax]

true

[untold wigeon]

I'm using a Logitech G PRO currently with GX Blue Click switches

[stone flax]

.......

ok lol

that is a mechanical switch

[untold wigeon]

Yes exactly

[untold wigeon]

I know nothing about HE switches so I am completely switching lol

[stone flax]

wooting discords penultimate boss

reading

[untold wigeon]

by mech I didn't know you meant mechanical. Thought that was some brand name.

[kind helm]

not everyone knows what mech is xD

[stone flax]

[untold wigeon]

I know what mechanical is haha I just assumed it was some brand name.

[stone flax]

u do know ur going from a clicky to linear right

u atleast know that much

?

[robust siren]

whats linear

[kind helm]

glad you asked since i am on their website

XD

[untold wigeon]

Yeah

[robust siren]

i know what it is lmao

[stone flax]

thats not it

lol

thats their low pro switches

hes on gx

again

penultimate boss

[kind helm]

ahh s44t

[stone flax]

reading

[untold wigeon]

I'm on GX Blue which are clicky switches rn

[stone flax]

so peak of bump at 60+ bottom out at 60

[stone flax]

do u find the switch heavvy

@untold wigeon

how do u find it

[untold wigeon]

tbh yeah

[kind helm]

i didn't scroll down enough and mj is giving me s44t

[stone flax]

50 or 40

done

[untold wigeon]

It feels fine tbh but I definitely could appreciate a lighter switch

[stone flax]

50g

done

[robust siren]

[untold wigeon]

I got 40 because 50 is out of stock lol

[stone flax]

whatevs

u can spring swap

if its too light

[robust siren]

i got 40 cause i didnt think 60 -> 50 was a big enough change

[kind helm]

most likely you will mistype a bit in the beginning, just keep using it for a while longer you will get used to it.

[untold wigeon]

with Geon Raw HE 40g

This is my setup I purchased

[kind helm]

especially you are switching from mechanical to he, the early actuation takes a bit of time to get used to.

[robust siren]

but you can always change it in wootility and slowly ease into it

[stone flax]

i mean

the point of adjustable ap

is

that its adjustable

yfmyfmyfm

[kind helm]

ifyifyify

i mean dude said hes gonna game on it so he probably drop actuation to something low af

[untold wigeon]

Yeah probably

Says I won't get it until Jan 2025

🥲

[kind helm]

welcome to the keyboard hobby

think a good amount of the premium stuff takes a while to get

[chilly mural]

Tbf, still better than the wait for gmk

[pliant kernel]

Yeah, I am still suffering from this side-effect since migrating from Cherry MX Reds to Wooting 60HE with Lekker v1.5 60g

[kind helm]

what i feel like may have speed up the process for me is monkeytype, sometimes i just sit back with a cup of coffee and play that for a bit, enjoy the sound and feel of my nice modded keyboard :3

[robust siren]

it was pretty easy for me going from razer optical linears -> L60s -> raws

it just felt way better

and i kinda just forced myself to use a lower actuation

[stone flax]

i dont understand getting used to a switch

i can just flip flop

and its kinda fun

[shadow fern]

The only thing that slightly messes with me is a DRASTIC weight change

Jade Max's are shit btw unless you want BIS 2009 RGB.

[calm pulsar]

lol the second one seems cleaner but I think you also didnt hit em both hard enough to really grasp the difference

but if thats 40 vs 50g springs I think there aint much difference

[cedar sparrow]

going in other servers to steal more souls?

[winter folio]

recently got a wooting and wanted to get diffrent switches for it are there anythat are clicky similar to blue switches and have low actuation force?

[shadow fern]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[ionic breach]

y you guys dawging on him

[winter folio]

i dont like the default switches and dont like the jades 😩 i need options 🙏 😂

[ionic breach]

HE switches tend to be just linear

[shadow fern]

you can try Outemu switches but I don't think they are compat

[ionic breach]

since there are no good implementations of a tactile/clicky with an adjustable actuation

like a hall effect switch

[shadow fern]

https://kprepublic.com/products/outemu-otm-magnetic-switch-black-red-blue-brown-pink-switch-linear-tactile-no-pins-for-specific-magnetic-mechanical-keyboard?_pos=2&_sid=45d6b934c&_ss=r

[calm pulsar]

clicky defeats the purpose of a magnetic board for things like rapid trigger etc

[shadow fern]

but like I said it's unlikely they are compatible

[winter folio]

what im searching for is the sound and not the feel lol with a low actuation force ( i think its called that) similar to the lekker 45 yes i know this all sounds stupid lol😂

[ionic breach]

ah

[winter folio]

keyboards are out of my expertise lmao

[shadow fern]

Find any switch and spring swap them.

saying off the rip "blue clicky"

[ionic breach]

Geon Raws 40/50

[shadow fern]

99% here use Geon RAW HE's

[calm pulsar]

well closed bottoms will provide a new feeling as opposed to lekkers

so jades or raws are a recommendation

[fluid ravine]

1% of unknown species

[winter folio]

do you guys have any case recommendations that aren't the tofu 60 redux i see that thing everywhere lol low profileish if that makes sense

[calm pulsar]

freebird60

[shadow fern]

LM60

[fluid ravine]

Nipple case

[winter folio]

will look into all those cases and the switches thanks 😂

one more thing any affordable keycaps sites out there

[untold wigeon]

does this come with all wooting keyboards?

[shadow fern]

60's

unfort

[untold wigeon]

Doesn't come with 80HE?

[shadow fern]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-13031409

[fluid ravine]

No

80HE doesn't have any strap placements for it

Only the 60HE will come with it

[untold wigeon]

https://kprepublic.com/products/latenpow-take-control-nylon-strap-for-gaming-mechanical-keyboard-black-or-white-pastable-decorative-strap-pu-screws-3m-tape

Looks like this one is 3M Taped on lol

[robust siren]

ts looks so bad

[shadow fern]

lol

[fluid ravine]

it looks a bit too smooth lmao

lego looking ahhh

[untold wigeon]

😂

[robust siren]

the lettering is just printed on

[shadow fern]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806911675287.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[calm pulsar]

thanks aliexpress for recommending raws... and a $50.000 dollar chandelier

[untold wigeon]

Every real keyboard enthusiast has a $50,000 chandelier

[calm pulsar]

damn I guess I got my work cut out for me 😄

[calm pulsar]

ohhh

[calm pulsar]

liking this set more than x-ray tbh

[shadow fern]

if they ditched the 'ascend' for Enter i'd be buzzin

it's so bright irl rofl. Brings me back to when the 60HE launched. Was just curious what this setup would look like. It's a shame the Jade Max's are quiet and they feel like they will split / crack all your keycaps lel

[calm pulsar]

I think it's just PC stems are grippier, but none of my gmk keycaps had any issues on maxes

not that im keeping them in my build, im just lubing my frankenswitches xd

[shadow fern]

Haven't tossed any GMK on it yet only the stock caps and these so far

I do have a set of DMK ghost I may toss on tomorrow

this shit looks wild irl though

Brb seizure

[stark spade]

https://drop.com/buy/drop-redsuns-gmk-blue-samurai-custom-keycap-set?defaultSelectionIds=980141

Thinking of doing these

Should look quite nice

[shadow fern]

They are okay

[robust siren]

who needs in-game flashbangs anyways

god that is bright

[pliant kernel]

On my OLED monitor : Ouch, my eyes !

[robust siren]

my ips monitor actually gets significantly warmer than my oled

[inland fern]

that is so bright wtf 😭

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-jan-brummer-no-no-head-shake-cute-gif-20864190

[tulip rapids]

what mod did he do?

how often do you guys lube up your switches and stabilizers? Every 6 months or 1 year?

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[fluid ravine]

After lubing once by hand you don't really lube them again

stabilizers however do need to be tune when needed

[glacial wind]

Hrm I might take the foam out from my space bar

It’s too effective and my space bar sounds so muted vs the other keys clacking on raw he

[lost garnet]

anyone here have raw he switches with ceramic keycaps? Does it sound good?

What switches that work with the 60he sound best with cerakeys?

[daring helm]

can anyone send me a sound test of the holy60 with geon raw he?

[hollow parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[ionic breach]

I just realised he never closed his eyes

[dire delta]

Can someone send a picture of the stem on unopened GEON RAW HEs? I opened all my switches and and don't know which direction the stem is facing😅

[glacial wind]

don't think it matters

just pick one way and go with it

[dire delta]

Think so too, but wan't to assemble them the right way :D

[glacial wind]

i'm pretty sure some of mine were facing one way and some the other

[glacial wind]

and i just made them all face one way for consistency

i just did the stem side with the small ridge facing that window like the above photo, but some of my geon raw he came with it stock facing the other way too

[dire delta]

Aight

Ty

[fallen echo]

Yeah, dont think it really matters. besides that ridge, I havent seen anything indicating an orientation

[vagrant condor]

Guys do I keep using lekker 60 for my spacebar or use raws but increase actuation force with software?

[glacial wind]

i mean that's personal preference

which switch do you prefer

[vagrant condor]

Haven’t tried the raws yet

[dire delta]

Lekker v1.5 or v2?

[vagrant condor]

V2

[dire delta]

Try them both and see which one you prefer

[vagrant condor]

Just tested both and the Lekkers sound scratchy and I can’t unhear it

[dire delta]

So RAW it is

Be sure that the stem of the stabs is fully inserted into the keycap

[vagrant condor]

Thanks for the heads up

[jagged hazel]

Should I order the PC plate?

How does it go with the tofu 60 and raw HEs?

[fallen echo]

I like it. but I also dont use constant RGB and the black PC plate for aesthetical reasons

PC plate, silicone sandwich, tofu60 case foam

the raws sound very marbly, which I like

[jagged hazel]

hows the combo sound? tempted to just get the pc plate rn

Dont care for rgb too much so ill probably get it in black

[fallen echo]

I mean that the RAWs sound very marbly with the setup I mentioned

so definitely still "clacky" but its satisfying to my ears.

[jagged hazel]

think im gonna do it then

more in it for the feel but sound is good too

[fallen echo]

I think the silicone pad helps a lot there, because it makes the PC plate stiffer than the poron and mostly absorbs middle frequencies

[jagged hazel]

Nice, the plate comes with foam, right?

Just got it. Should be here in 2-6 days

[ionic breach]

both foam and silicon iirc

[jagged hazel]

Sweet, ill test out both when it comes

[fallen echo]

correct, comes with both foam and silicone

[kind helm]

is lekker v2 decent? I think they are deepest sounding HE switch currently but I am considering between waiting for something new or getting those

i really dont trust lekker for how bad v1 were

[stone flax]

different switch

[kind helm]

you think its worth trying ? :3

[stone flax]

mmmmmmm :<

idkk

its preference

[kind helm]

i am just looking for deeper sounding switch for my fr4

[stone flax]

its pretty much a good option if u like 4.0mm open bottoms

[stone flax]

fr4

😢

[kind helm]

raw is way to high pitched for me with fr4 so i switched back to pc for the current setup

one nice thing about the way pcb is setup, i can literally just swap the pcb with a different plate that has a different set of switch

thats kinda nice

i am looking at mikeytypes video.. fck man, this sounds better after hand lube

i dont wanna lube switch

[hollow parrot]

Maybe try a layer of tape in it

[glacial wind]

eh not the biggest fan of doing a ton of tape mod myself. I'll just remove the foam and go back to full spacebar clack

foam just works better if going for a thockier build, but with clack it makes it weird to me

[tropic urchin]

Is that for the RAWs?

[ionic breach]

just saw this in a random doc i came across

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRZ2fwIFSMtD5NstkBw-ztEqQw5Ku3unTAyN1hgXyS2yIOp4D1J3lncBersDdH4eM2EjCgNLUhc2sti/pubhtml# bit scuffed but great nontheless

[kind helm]

lekker

[stone flax]

;0

[shadow fern]

@kind helm It's like getting flashbanged in a gae

game lmao

[kind helm]

wrong josh homie

[shadow fern]

Go ahead and update the spreadsheet for the GMMK 3 Pro HE - shit Outemu switches only

Worst boards I’ve ever laid hands on.

[kind helm]

https://tezcables.com/coiled-keyboard-cables/ price look kinda good

[devout torrent]

ayo thats me

[devout torrent]

doesn't work with jades or anything else? figured polarity would be same

but guess not

big oof

[stone flax]

i kinda thought outemus worked on the wooting

just poorly

[devout torrent]

actually looking at our list all the previous oetemus have been opposite polarit of wooting

so gmmk3 prob cant use anyuthign else rip

insane

[stone flax]

werent the otm one’s like beige pink the same

[shadow fern]

From everything I tested and looked into - I don't have any other literal from Outemu switches - but all Glorious Outemu Rebrandeds the polarity is swapped around. I have (no flex) literally every mag switch imaginable and none of them work on the GMMK 3 Pro HE's.

Outemu switches are the only ones I've not bought, don't care to, but since the pink / biege are classified and sold by themselves and then all of the others are grouped in one listing I'd imagine they made the pink / beige able to work with a more variety of boards, just a guess.

[glossy pagoda]

https://x.com/jakeufps/status/1841221478403993617

jakeu+ (@jakeufps) on X

Uploaded an old design I made for the accent piece for the Wooting Alumaze60 🫡

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Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 8:59 PM

[glacial wind]

oh nice, i was wondering when someone would 3d print some things

[devout torrent]

jakeu is so goated

[balmy shoal]

hey, any confirmed working way to make space not so loud on 80HE?

[glacial wind]

Foam insert under the space bar

you can cut it yourself or buy cheapie ones from aliexpress or other keyboard sites

[paper bloom]

@glacial wind o ya remember when i said i ran glasspads ?

Apparently ive tried in some humid conditions it will stick

But overall esp if ur in an ac room and outside isnt so hot ur forearm shldnt be sticking as much

Even if so with humid conditions it wouldnt so bad unless u sweat

[glacial wind]

Yeah that’s my issue, my sweat isn’t due to ac

I just have naturally sweaty hands when gaming even in ac

so no glass pads for me unfortunately

[tropic urchin]

That’s actually great to know I’ll never own a glass pad then, RIP sweaty hands

[chilly mural]

Good to know, I only sweat when it's hot

Hot I mean... 29C

I usually set my ac to 28 or 27

[chilly mural]

How's glasspad btw? Planning to get skypad 4.0 next month

[vagrant condor]

Theres a work around, people getting femboy gloves/arm sleeves

Very popular with Glass pad users

[paper bloom]

@chilly mural whats ur

Aim like

Do u prefer slow

Or fast

[paper bloom]

If u got sweaty hands its still okay

That means is cuz u grip too aggro

Cuz the skypad 4.0 is fuckin fast

[chilly mural]

I don't know, I play with high sens because most of my mousepad is small. So maybe slow?

[paper bloom]

If ur using a slow mousepad

Small*

And high sense

Ur gonna be a wrist player

If u plan to run slow sense u wld need a bigger mousepad

[paper bloom]

If u want check if the yuki aim is good for u or not or u cld try glsswrks at a later date

Skypad in general is speed

But if u want like an slow u gotta get used to anything u plan to buy

Or the radar sense

https://gamesense.gg/products/gamesense-radar

@chilly mural ^^ this is if u want control

Ik the yuki and the hana the hana will be control idk about the yuki aim 2.0

[chilly mural]

Umu, thanks for the recommendation. I might still try skypad since idm getting used to new things anyway

[paper bloom]

Ye js to you cuz from what i hear the skypad is crazy fadt

Fast*

But if u have no problems adapting to it within a week or 2 it shldnt be an issue

Else u wld need control skates and a cloth sleeve

And some sense adjustment

The cloth sleeve is optional tho

[quartz jay]

I love glass pads but hate how my skin sticks to it

[chilly mural]

yeh, I want glass mousepad because it's supposedly easy to clean with only a wipe every match. I'm used to wiping the arcade button when playing there, so the dust issue is not really an issue.

for me

[quartz jay]

Such a downside even tho the durability is great

[paper bloom]

The humidity is also ass but it depends

I dont udually get this issue

Only when its hot at

[quartz jay]

I’ll wait till the skin problem thing doesn’t exist even in high humidity areas

[quartz jay]

Yeah

[paper bloom]

If u ask me

Get a arm sleeve

[quartz jay]

I did, my hand gets stuck instead 💀💀💀

[glacial wind]

No it’s a medical thing. My grip is fine

Some people just have naturally sweaty hands

[quartz jay]

I would get those sleeve gloves but I clawgrip

[marsh saffron]

You need to get one that covers the back of your palm/wridt

I made one like that and it works great

[quartz jay]

You know any?

[marsh saffron]

They work fine with claw, just make sure they stop at your knuckle

[balmy shoal]

thanks, I had some foam laying around and cut it but that deleted like last 10% of travel distance, maybe too thick? is there some guidance about thickness or other measurements so I purchase correct one probably from aliepress

[glacial wind]

Yeah I know but it’s just not worth the hassle for me honestly. Even with a sleeve it’s not quite the same and keeping the surface spotless and issue free is too annoying for me with glass pads

[marsh saffron]

I think pulsar and skypad make some

[quartz jay]

I think if I add grip tape, it should work

cloth sticks a lil to grip tape no?

[marsh saffron]

Depends on the material

[quartz jay]

True

[marsh saffron]

If the adhesive is good it should stick

To the pulsar/skypad ones

[shadow fern]

I like this better than foam for spacebars https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09K59281M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

[paper bloom]

O ic

[glacial wind]

It’s generally fairly universal fit, long as it’s not blocking the actual stem hole or sticking out from the keycap it’s generally fine

[paper bloom]

U can get pulsar uhh

Theres a few more

But idk which ones are good

[quartz jay]

I trust pulsar so I’ll give it a look

[paper bloom]

Sure

[glacial wind]

Honestly if I didn’t mainly just play tact fps and already have very high tracking scores I might be more tempted to try more glass pads, but for my game type it’s just not worth

[quartz jay]

Actually tbh, my claw isn’t fully supported with my palm, it’s like barely touching my palm sides which give me the fingertip feel so, might work

[paper bloom]

I do claw

But my claws relaxed

My issue mainly is the wrist where the palm reides isnt rest fully

^hence why i phased out my lamzu for a ninjutso

[quartz jay]

we have the same grip I think

but I went from lamzu to op18k

flat sides feel better with this grip so idk

[paper bloom]

The lamzu as well works for me but it isnt as comfortable esp with the grip im running but if in running a lil more aggro it shldnt be an issue

[paper bloom]

Idk but ik is that if theres improvement and were comfortable

Thats all we need

[quartz jay]

The exact same way I feel

[quartz jay]

True

[paper bloom]

Ig u and i got the same problems then LOL

Shit hurts

[quartz jay]

Yeah

[paper bloom]

Say

What glasspads are u even running

@quartz jay

[quartz jay]

just some offbrand one, feels really good and got it for 60-70 bucks

[paper bloom]

Ikea ?

[quartz jay]

nah it was some chinese company with the product name shirolax or something

[paper bloom]

O i c

[quartz jay]

Mb, brand name is SIROOLAC

[paper bloom]

Im running the kazemi

From glsswrks

[quartz jay]

ooo

[paper bloom]

I might run the hana

Or the yuki aim 2.0 to try

[quartz jay]

Came with dot feet that feel like corepads so I kept using them lol

[paper bloom]

But 99% chance im getting the hana do

Tho*

[paper bloom]

Thats good

[quartz jay]

You use an arm sleeve right?

[marsh saffron]

I use superglides pad

[tulip rapids]

when i switch cases from wooting to tofu60 redux , do you guys recommend using the wooting foam for the case or the tofu foam?

[marsh saffron]

I prefer the tofu foam

[tulip rapids]

what does that do for the sound?

i also bought geon raws

[marsh saffron]

I honestly don't remember it was a while ago I swapped it out

[tulip rapids]

you keep the steel plate? or switched it

[marsh saffron]

But it also made my board sit better in the case (I've got friction mount)

[marsh saffron]

PC plate

[tulip rapids]

from wooting?

[marsh saffron]

Yeah

[tulip rapids]

i just bought that too and cant decide to keep the steel plate or use the pc plate with foam or silicone

[marsh saffron]

With my build using dashes I prefer PC plate + foam

When I had lekkers I liked the silicone

[tulip rapids]

okok ty for your opinion. When you switch to the tofu case did you use the screw for the middle part for installing? i saw some people used it and some didnt

[marsh saffron]

For the 2 days I used tray mount yeah

I put the middle one in

Took it out once I went friction mount

[tulip rapids]

oh okay

once i switch cases i dont think i will lube the stabs since i got this keyboard in august, or is lubing a must when switches cases and plates

[marsh saffron]

Idk

Id only really lube them if you don't like how they currently sound

[tulip rapids]

hmmm

okay maybe lube the space bar since it could sound better

you find any deals on the oled monitors yet?

[marsh saffron]

Nope

[tulip rapids]

ight i'll let you know if i find some

[polar girder]

Hype

I love that thing

I got the g2.0

With the strap

Love it

[marsh saffron]

I really wanna try this one

[polar girder]

Ah gotcha

[polar girder]

I really like it

NBD?

[marsh saffron]

Does it work on cloth too

[polar girder]

Yes

I use on Saturn pro

[marsh saffron]

Sweet I can use it for both pads

I've got a zero xsoft and a superglide pad

[polar girder]

Even replaced the keyboard wrist rest with it

[marsh saffron]

Is it like a one size fits all or is there sizes

[polar girder]

There’s L and S

The strap is adjustable

And has magnet on near side so very easy on/off once you get it adjusted

[quartz jay]

That’s smart, I might consider it

[polar girder]

I just realized a left handed g2.0 would be sweet for keyboard

Just take off the strap

Not offered tho RIP

And now we wait.

[marsh saffron]

Cosmos?

[polar girder]

So happy to finally be able to get both of those placed

Cosmos and PBS BoB

[marsh saffron]

Nice

My x-ray set should be arriving in about a month and a half

[polar girder]

Only thing missing

Then I’ll swap out knight stabs and test some diff plates and be done

Damn that’ll feel good lol

So pumped

[polar girder]

Dang already sold out

So grateful

Bless up

For any curious

[torpid crow]

wtb raw/silver/polycarbonate alumaze

wooting pls

[tulip rapids]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/tut-zombie-100-r2-cherry-profile-keycaps-set?variant=42600891875467

@robust siren might buy these bad boys

[robust siren]

well im sure theyll definitely look better than the wolverine ones

[tulip rapids]

STOP JUDGING ME ASDAfasfafadfgadga

i saw wolverine and insta purchase

[robust siren]

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cry-crying-burst-into-tears-cry-and-run-gif-24530754

you know what bro

[robust siren]

just buy it all

[tulip rapids]

if you saw reyna keycaps you wouldnt hesitate, i dont wanna hear it

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-money-gif-25191018

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

https://tenor.com/view/rich-man-burning-money-too-much-money-to-burn-cash-dollar-gif-14985073

[robust siren]

ill know they look like ass

i cant have printed characters on keycaps

[robust siren]

[tulip rapids]

listen

im a bot alright

[fallen echo]

your taste in keycaps is peculiar.

[tulip rapids]

im new to this whole scene im trying my best🥹

[fallen echo]

you cannot learn taste. You will always be the odd one out with the artisan keycaps that are an assault on the eyes.

[tulip rapids]

but this is boootiful

[tulip rapids]

drop your keycap taste so i may judge you😭

let see those sets

[fallen echo]

PBTfans wob simple base

need to take proper pics for a wootstation post.

[jade narwhal]

wob is just solid

[little glen]

clean up your spacebar first

looks good tho i like the wob with some bow mixed in and the case color fits too

[fallen echo]

that was freshly assembled.

[little glen]

wth

why is there so many smudges on the spacebar 😭

[fallen echo]

because I fingered that thing a dozen times while installing the space bar foam

[little glen]

hows the spacebar foam

[fallen echo]

noticable.

[little glen]

the 80he spacebar is starting to annoy me so i got the foam from pbtfans hopefully its good for 80 to

[fallen echo]

on these keycaps, the foam causes the spacebar to basically sound like any of the alphas. really nice.

[little glen]

thats nice

[stone flax]

yuck

[quartz jay]

anyone know any good keycap set websites?

[stone flax]

in my objectively subjective take

spacebars should sound like spacebar

[little glen]

depends how much you are willing to spend

[quartz jay]

70 max

I’ll cry after that amount

[little glen]

ok then i wont show you GMK keycaps

dang osume is slightly outside your range

i really want to get some of those but they dont have international kits for sale

[quartz jay]

Ripp

[stone flax]

vendors

[stone flax]

shenpo

kkb

aifei

leek brothers

jcs

dcx

[little glen]

check out pbtfans

[stone flax]

[quartz jay]

Ye i am rn

[quartz jay]

Tyty

[fallen echo]

your opinion is invalid.

[tulip rapids]

i see the taste here is just simple design keycaps but i know the quality is good

[fallen echo]

I am just pulling your leg 😄

[tulip rapids]

the one with paint i posted is zom100

and kbtfans keycaps set are almost all sold out

[tulip rapids]

i know friend

i like the community here its supportive

[fallen echo]

the one I posted and the similar, semi-transparent one (neon) are in store, plus the inverse of mine, bow.

[stone flax]

🥱

[fallen echo]

also seems like kbd is restocking some rn

[stone flax]

skibidifans

kbdfans+pbtfans

a match made in heaven

kings of quality 🔥

[tulip rapids]

i seen this set i really like but its not available

[fallen echo]

well, fingers crossed a set comes back into stock you like.

something less revolting than your past choices 😂

[stone flax]

gmk norse

for da sublegends

[untold wigeon]

Holy me! This thing is really good! The Dav3 pro is too big but this is awesome!

[sleek plover]

Boys how many switches i need if i want to update my gf wooting to the v2? Wooting 60HE

[fallen echo]

which model is it?

[untold wigeon]

Death adder v3 hyperspeed

[untold wigeon]

61 buy 70

[sleek plover]

Ty

[untold wigeon]

Dude wtf? Some people.

[stone flax]

this guy is a raw hater

aka

opinion not worth caring about

[untold wigeon]

I think he just hates life in general

[glossy pagoda]

Just don't feed trolls

A random person's opinion on the internet should mean nothing to you

[untold wigeon]

I do my best not to.

With that exception

[cedar gate]

Ask for a refund pbtfans are really good about that one time I broke 2 keycaps by being dumb they sent me new ones free

[cedar gate]

61

But get 70 just in case

[cedar gate]

Says the grown man spending his time critizing people on the internet

[calm pulsar]

lool wtf

[torn ridge]

Keycaps that thock? Price range up to $150

Tried Auras cause they were on sale for $20 and they were so god damn clacky I switched back to stock wooting caps.

[marsh saffron]

I can't link anything but can point you in a direction

Wanna try to find some thick (probably dye sub) pbt

[calm pulsar]

thick pbt dyesub caps are probably the deepest sounding

keycaps profile also affect the sound

[torn ridge]

Brands? I just modded my Wooting from 2022. Loving the low thock sound.

[marsh saffron]

Idk any brands that do thick pbt specifically

[vague stag]

I hear ppl talking about the alphas, and their sound as if it was a reference point. What are alphas?

[tropic urchin]

Says hobby like he likes keyboards, but in reality he probably hates his keyboard so he’s coping 🤣😭

[vagrant condor]

No he’s baiting a reactionary out of people who should know better

[untold wigeon]

Cerakey

[untold wigeon]

Like when you said femboys use gaming sleeves?

https://tenor.com/view/gif-yeah-mr-bean-wink-wink-gif-14169505

[tropic urchin]

im not convinced that guy actually likes keyboards at all tbh

its like when hipyo goes undercover to be a gamer, we all know its not true

[untold wigeon]

Omg that’s so true

[cedar gate]

That's a lot lol any thick pbt keycaps thock especially pbtfans

[calm pulsar]

pbtfans arent dyesub though, so not that deep

[cedar gate]

I think they have some dye subs

I personally prefer double shot because those legends won't fade in several lifetimes

[fluid ravine]

Wild

[fallen echo]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/pbtfans-dyesub "some".

having worn out ABS caps and seen dye sub fade I wont buy anything but doubleshot.

[untold wigeon]

This. They will fade but legends will stay

[cedar gate]

A light color like modern pbtfans desko or Lucy is great for thock

[cedar gate]

Me too lol I hate it when the legends fade

[fallen echo]

I took more offense to ABS shimmer/wear than the fading.

[worthy spindle]

I don't think a color affects how much a keyboard 'thocks'

I have Lucy and it's not any more thockier than my gmk set

[fallen echo]

so

[calm pulsar]

it could be due to the fact that 80he has the silicone between pcb and plate, which you can't change

and it dampens the lower range of frequencies a bit

[fallen echo]

you are hitting on lucy, huh huh huh?

I'll see myself out...

[cedar gate]

i meant those are light colored caps that thock i must have phrased it wrong

[cedar gate]

a pbt set however should thock more than gmk like arcsyko said it could be because 80HE has silicone instead of poron as the sandwich pad

[worthy spindle]

ohh

[stone flax]

shenpo v2 went 1.8

nicepbt goes to 1.7

its all about blank thickness

[fallen echo]

imma be honest, I prefer a marbly clack over a foamy thock

[calm pulsar]

I prefer thocky creamy clack

[stone flax]

ur just buying bad dyesub caps

simple as lol

[fallen echo]

I dont buy dyesub caps at all.

[stone flax]

skill issue

[fallen echo]

possibly.

[novel bramble]

Does the backspace black jades use dual stage springs?

[calm pulsar]

yes but they're trash

black jades aint worth it

get jade pros

or geon raw he

[kind helm]

50+ dollars for jade recolor and short ass double stage spring

[raw oriole]

What part of the build process should I lube my stabilizers in? Currently don't have anything assembled, just got my 60he+ module in the mail and took everything apart to switch the silicone with the foam and I'm not sure if i should lube my stabilizers now, after it's assembled, if it matters, etc

[kind helm]

nah just try it first

[novel bramble]

Trash in what regard? is it just jades with dual stage springs? i already own regular jades. i want switches with faster rebound for better spammability and stability.

[calm pulsar]

that would be jade pros with their longer spring
spring in black jades is very short, not much benefit

and black jades are insanely overpriced

[novel bramble]

i see. i heard the maxes have issues with offset key presses.

[calm pulsar]

there are dual stage springs on aliexpress sold separately too

[novel bramble]

70$ for 90

same as pros

[calm pulsar]

pros are cheaper + have longer spring than even maxes

so easy choice imo

[random loom]

Makes the keyboard dreaaaaamy

[novel bramble]

oh i see. what about the geon raws?

so if i am not mistaken. the jade pros have longer spring than the jades with the same actuation force throughout?

[calm pulsar]

not sure about exact actuation force but they are light and spring is way longer

geon raws have a shorter spring

[novel bramble]

gotcha thanks for the info

do you know anything about the gaming jades?

the spring length is particular

[calm pulsar]

np, just didnt want someone to spend money on overpriced normal jades with a short dual stage spring 😄

[calm pulsar]

not sure but they're looking like jade pros just with boxed stem

[novel bramble]

the spring length isnt mentioned on their website for the jade gaming. jade pros are 20mm

[stone flax]

actuation force doesnt exist for adjustable ap

[raw oriole]

This is probably a really dumb question but should I use krytox205 or stabilizer grease to lube the wire of the stabilizers? Would there even be a difference?

[calm pulsar]

yeah just mixed up terms, I meant spring force

[stone flax]

you can use 205g0, its about as thin as anyone should go to achieve an effect, but it can seperate earlier

[novel bramble]

well i meant the physical force yea sorry

[raw oriole]

Since i have both I should just use the grease then

[stone flax]

ya

[raw oriole]

Appreciate it, thank you

I'm sorry if I asked this before but I want to ask again before I assemble everything, is it worth it to hand lube the geon raws? I have the stuff and the time to do it, but I know factory lube is pretty good

[stone flax]

type on it

then u know

[novel bramble]

open one up and hand lube it, and see for yourself if you think it is worth it.

[tropic urchin]

try lubing one fully and compare it to stock and see if you like it. Personally I couldnt find a difference between the two so I just opted for springs

[kind helm]

got a comparison?

[tropic urchin]

idk where my fully one is tbh, they're all in their respective bags

[torpid crow]

i prefer stock wooting

[fallen echo]

you monster.

[random loom]

I prefer dreamy

[untold wigeon]

Do I need something like this?

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-long-pole-stabilizers?variant=40406851977281

[tropic urchin]

dreamy marbly heavenly switch

we need new buzzwords for 2025

[random loom]

Mhm

[random loom]

Guys should I keep my wooting screw in stabs when I get da 80he

[calm pulsar]

I'd keep em and get geon stem spacers if I were to use shorter travel switches

[kind helm]

long pole stem on stab is that just like a shorter top?

[calm pulsar]

longer

[kind helm]

wait that doesn't make sense to me, since the spacer shorten the length of the top no?

[calm pulsar]

well the keycap sits higher because of the spacer

so it acts like a longer pole stab

[kind helm]

ah i c

[lunar sand]

is it visually noticeable when comparing the alignment with the other keys/keycaps?

[kind helm]

no

[calm pulsar]

the difference is in how deep your key can go, so in standby the key is always at the same level as others

[kind helm]

but i do think there is a difference, i think the mod sounded slightly better and more stable in a way when i swapped to a long pole stem stab

but that can just be tx ap possibly being better than the stock stab to begin with

[tulip rapids]

do you put those spacers on all the switches or just for the stabs?

[calm pulsar]

stabs

[tulip rapids]

do you put two spacers on a stab switch? i seen pictures online where they used either one or two

or is it a preference thing

[calm pulsar]

I guess it depends on your switch travel distance, but for HE switches I think only one should be used

some MX long pole switches have even shorter travel distances like 3.0mm

[tulip rapids]

okay

so if i use geon raw he switches with the standard wooting stabs i should be fine? or should i use those spacers

[calm pulsar]

it will be fine but with spacers / long pole stabs it will be a bit more stable

[tulip rapids]

ok ty

im modding my keyboard soon so thats why im asking all these questions

i bought my wooting 60he+ and got it in august so far my mod build is tofu 60 redux with brass weight, wooting epdm foam, either use the wooting steel plate or pc plate with foam or silcone, wooting 60he+ stabs, geon raw he switches. Keycaps im still deciding

i dont think i need to lube the stabs since i got the keyboard recently. Unless people recommend me too

[calm pulsar]

there's no need for a recommendation, just see for yourself if your stabs need tuning

[tulip rapids]

fair enough

im trying to get a thocky or deep sound. I know the geon raw are clacky

i was thinking of doing tape mod but idk

[raw oriole]

Which side of the pcb should the rubber o rings that come with the 60he+ module go on?

According to the web these are to put on the standoffs in the case, nevermind

[mystic drift]

I wasn’t expecting my switches and module to arrive early yet alone the same day, feels like Christmas lol 🤣.

Can anybody link their keycaps for their build ?

[kind helm]

go to wootstations if you want to get some inspiration, people tend to mention their keycaps as well. just use google or something

[polar girder]

Yo what’s the verdict, Geon pingless springs or 22mm?

[marsh saffron]

pingless

[calm pulsar]

I use 62.5g pingless for faster rebound like on longer springs, but if 20-22mm pingless springs existed I'd get them lol

but pingless springs sound very clean, as in the springs themselves don't make any sounds

[cedar gate]

Lol yeah abs shine sucks imo

[uneven cradle]

Builds character

[stone flax]

https://omnitype.com/products/gmk-dmg-3-keycap-set?

[oblique dagger]

Has anyone tried putting a 60he module in a June R3? (Or more likely R2)

[kind helm]

isn't it just a tray mount

[oblique dagger]

I suppose it is, so yeah should just work

[kind helm]

i feel like if the mounting is the same, then just get a tofu

[oblique dagger]

Fair, The new Blizzard colorway just looks pretty good

[kind helm]

👍

[oblique dagger]

I rate it

[kind helm]

i am just thinking about the price, tofu case is like only 70 with shipping

[oblique dagger]

True

It being full silicone is something that's interesting to me sound wise too

[cedar gate]

That doesn't sound great in my head ngl

[oblique dagger]

It probably won't but I'm curious

[kind helm]

that sounds interesting, that should be deeper sounding than alu case

[novel bramble]

Sorry to ping you, but do you know of any good 20-22mm springs that i could use on my jades with like a bottom out of 50g or thereabouts?

[calm pulsar]

there are some on aliexpress, but not sure they're good

[novel bramble]

Is it possible to get the springs used on the pros?

[calm pulsar]

no iirc

well without buying pros lol

[uneven cradle]

Couldn't handle all the dust silicone is a pain to clean dust off

[novel bramble]

https://divinikey.com/products/geon-springs-22mm-triple-stage

[calm pulsar]

these are not for HE

[novel bramble]

i see some multi stage springs from geon, spirit and tx

[novel bramble]

oh.. how do we know the compatability for the springs?

diameter?

[calm pulsar]

they have to be made out of non magnetic metals and say magnetic springs on listing, also they are wider in diameter

[novel bramble]

gotcha

Are geon pingless the only HE compatable springs out there?

and the ones on wooting of course

[ionic breach]

ofc not

some one aliexpress and other website

[novel bramble]

other than ali express 😅

[polar girder]

Fk lol

I don’t really want to have to open the switches again ☠️😵‍💫

[calm pulsar]

you're using black knights with stock sprigns rn?

[polar girder]

No I have the AE two stage springs in there

[calm pulsar]

hmm, so you're looking for snappier rebound?

[polar girder]

No just less noise lol

[polar girder]

Idk if it would make a difference

[novel bramble]

where do i find AE two stage?

oh sorry i suppose AE is short hand for ali express lol. nvm

[polar girder]

I really want like ~35g spring and 2mm full travel HE switch

[calm pulsar]

when I compared my switches with pingless springs and stock geon maxes, very close to ear, I could hear maxes pinging, but pingless were super clean

[kind helm]

please @me if you find decent double stage spring or switch

I am waiting on those too

[polar girder]

Yeah I have them

Two stage springs

I just found this on AliExpress: $2.77 | 22mm Two-Stage Magnetic Switch Spring Custom Gaming Magnetic Keyboard Wooting Gateron Magnetic Jade Switch 35g 48g
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNaW6ni

@kind helm @novel bramble

[calm pulsar]

you could get 42.5g pingless geon springs so that you have both zero noise and a bit faster rebound since they are a bit stronger than 35g that you want, as a compromise

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m tempted but I also know BK are kind of mid so it’s just a band aid lol

And I don’t really enjoy just tinkering with it for the sake of it

It probably would be nice tho

Wouldn’t hear it either way with my headphones on tho

[calm pulsar]

well replacing springs is actually like 15-20 minutes I think, cause you're not doing anything else with the switch

[polar girder]

But yeah divinikey has some. Tempting

Yeah maybe I’ll order some and swap them out when PBS shows up

😵‍💫

[calm pulsar]

I think it will likely sound quieter, but not sure if the rebound will be much different

but these AE springs are also not super high quality so... lol

[polar girder]

lol yeah

I liked them better than the lekkers tho

For overall feel and sound

[kind helm]

those were the ones that someone mentioned to be bad quality, but the length is decent though

22mm

[calm pulsar]

I have these and tbh I think length isnt doing much, cause they have a lot of distance between the coils, so they feel kinda weak

quality wise lul

[polar girder]

I compared the L35 to those and to stock BK spring and I preferred it

But they’re all pretty mid IMO

[kind helm]

btw i am thinking about a few of these to see if it is possible to add some bounce against the plate and pcb problem

https://www.amazon.com/Washers-Assortment-Grommet-Vibration-Plumbing/dp/B0BZKRX75Q/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Washers&pid=hRfjPWn

[polar girder]

I just want a full black nylon switch already

[kind helm]

what would really work better in my mind is something like this https://www.amazon.com/AUEAR-Silicone-Reducing-Vibration-Mouting/dp/B08KGWTDHK/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Silicone+Screws but made specifically for plate and pcb

[polar girder]

I still have to try out PP vs Alu vs Nylon plates

😵‍💫

And swap knight stabs in

[calm pulsar]

damn if I lived in US I could've sent you a pack of my jade max or jade pro springs 😄

they are snappy but also light to press

[polar girder]

lol yeah

Buy some Raw and Jade Pro and start mix and matching again

[calm pulsar]

maybe you can grab other pingless variants to find a middle ground between snappiness and press force

[polar girder]

Other pingless exist?

[kind helm]

jade pro is 20mm, that is actually shorter than the AE stuff

[polar girder]

Yeah but gold bro

[calm pulsar]

I meant different force variants, they have 42.5, 52.5, 62.5

[polar girder]

Oh right

[calm pulsar]

yeah but way higher quality

[polar girder]

Yeah I would only go 42.5 lol

[calm pulsar]

not sure if you've seen but I'm doing a new frankenswitch lol
I replaced gateron stem with raw stem in my "jade knights" and it solved tightness issues

[polar girder]

lol

Nice

[calm pulsar]

so it's like geon grade tolerances with jade sound, which I like

[polar girder]

That’s sweet

Oh dang geon pingless 15mm

[calm pulsar]

yeah they have standard length kinda
im using 62.5 which Im fine with, but also has nice fast rebound for me

[polar girder]

That’s the thing for me and why I have a hard time swapping stuff out so often. It’s evolving so quick

Yesh I’m sure they’re nice

But he’ll probably have 22mm two stage pingless gold spring some time in 2025

[opal umbra]

do u guys have any 75% board recommendations, budget is 350

[calm pulsar]

lul

the madman has 3-stage 22mm length springs for MX

[polar girder]

Is it sweet?

[calm pulsar]

dunno, might even be overkill, I just saw that on the store

[polar girder]

No sorry. 60HE is all I know.

[opal umbra]

lmao ok

[calm pulsar]

he's also gonna sell pingless MX springs some time soon, just in time for me to receive my new board, Luminkey LX60

so I might do a proper MX build for the first time, or just build the venoom60he in it lol

[polar girder]

lol

[calm pulsar]

or I could try Geon's MX Extreme Gaming switches

[ionic breach]

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/extreme-gif-8818707

[calm pulsar]

they have 3mm travel distance, very long pole switch lol

[polar girder]

Oh snap

That bodes well for me

Yeah that’s the kind of shit I want in HE

[calm pulsar]

yeah that's MX though

[calm pulsar]

ikr, would be sick

[polar girder]

I know

Fr

That’s why i kind of just want to not care for a couple years then come back when it’s matured a bit lol

So many more options

[calm pulsar]

yeah that's fair

in a couple of years there might even be a new generation of HE

that feels and sounds way better

[polar girder]

Right

Every day I entertain the idea of just buying RAW’s and throwing them in lol

Probably will at some point lol

Or just wait for that black geon switch

[kind helm]

👀

[calm pulsar]

do that with the softest plate you've got
will be nice

[polar girder]

True

[calm pulsar]

I wonder if it's going to be an upgrade from raws or just a more affordable version

[polar girder]

Some random screen shot I saw of a being developed geon switch from a live stream I think lol

Bruh

Raw affordable enough lol

Hope not

Well and he made the raptors HE

which is all nylon

So I’m really hoping for some all black nylon shiz

But also not getting my hopes up

[calm pulsar]

yeah I'd love some different materials, cause I noticed a difference with maxes and it was quite interesting, despite the issues people had with them

[polar girder]

They’re full POM or what

[calm pulsar]

they have PC stem PC upper

[polar girder]

Oh gotcha

[calm pulsar]

and I guess pc lower too lol since all transparent

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m over the cookie cutter shit

PC stem is crazy

Yeah they’re all just Nylon bottom, PC top, POM stem

🤢

I like Max

But seem too quirky for me to buy lol

[calm pulsar]

yeah if they were single rail and not 1 dollar per switch might've been a recommendation for a quieter closed bottom switch

with a good spring

[polar girder]

lol fk gateron

All hail Geon

[novel bramble]

how is the stem wobble on the geon raws compared to the jades and jade pro? i know the jade pros have tighter tolerances than the jades resulting in less wobble, but the consequence of less wobble is restrictiveness and less granularity, especially when pressed at an off angle/axis.

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-1st-delaware-war-of-rights-1st-de-gif-18969268

[calm pulsar]

raws have the tighest tolerances of them all, and they have no issues with smoothness

[novel bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=t2AKW1ROnew

0.51

[polar girder]

I HATE sticky switches

Fk friction

[novel bramble]

you can see the switch getting stuck, maxes are the biggest offender.

the jades looks fine, and honestly i have the regular jades, they seem fine.

[calm pulsar]

thankfully when I game I press wasd at the perfect angle it seems lol, cause I've been perfectly fine on maxes

if I do deliberately press at an angle yes they are noticeably more sticky than raws

[ionic breach]

how have they done this

i dont get it

[calm pulsar]

PC on PC contact, plus dual rail has more friction due to less contact surface

my theory at least ^

[ionic breach]

they have so much money for r and d

[novel bramble]

even the pros from the video is stickier than the regular jades. He wasn't even pressing the key at an off axis, so if pressed at an angle, the issue would be worse.

[ionic breach]

wait

its now a tactile switch

big brain from gateron

[calm pulsar]

I don't think it's an issue in real use
my jade pros arrive tomorrow or the next day, I can let you know if they are any different from normal jades

[ionic breach]

should be fine for normal presses

analog presses would be a pain tho

[novel bramble]

From what i have heard, those who want the least restrictive and granular feel across a wide range of angles require switches with looser tolerances which provide a bit of wobble.

[calm pulsar]

too much wobble can also intoduce issues if you have sensitive rapid trigger settings

[novel bramble]

It makes sense, but you also have material choice, rail design and lube.

[stone flax]

this tracks

stick slip between two materials that have similar coefficients of friction can cause this fuckiness, so the glorious idea of having pc to pc would make this suck

[novel bramble]

sure yea, but i dont think there are switches that wobble to that extent, maybe there are.

[stone flax]

i love gateron

[calm pulsar]

yeah maybe even single rail maxes would be like that lol

[stone flax]

idk

they make all these blends and can employ good materials already

and just choose not to use them to save money

[novel bramble]

the off axis presses will also depend on the spring firmness. it would be less of an issue with firmer springs.

[calm pulsar]

they got this all planned out years ahead probably lol
we have now jade pro with a boxed stem (seems like the only difference) which is called jade gaming

[stone flax]

fun fact: none of these issues should be a thing when they expect you to pay a dollar per switch in they yea two-thousand and twenty-four

[stone flax]

and that ones shit too

[polar girder]

Jade gaming dumbest name ever

[calm pulsar]

yeah esp for an HE switch lol

@stone flax I preordered Luminkey LX60 with alu, pp and pc plates, thinking of doing my first MX build

or I could build venom in there lol, it has gummy cutouts

[stone flax]

waow

:>

[calm pulsar]

need some MX switch recommendations

[kind helm]

33 dollars for 110pcs btw

[calm pulsar]

is that a gateron?

[kind helm]

yes

[calm pulsar]

yeah mx switches are usually cheaper, I've seen like giant bags of cherry switches and not expensive at all

what board is that?

[kind helm]

[kind helm]

monsgeek m1

[calm pulsar]

sounds relatively deep imo

[kind helm]

yee

i built it late 2022 or early 2023 i think

[calm pulsar]

lol actual fridge build

pretty cool

[kind helm]

the only build i kept from moving, i had a bunch of budget builds and gave them all to my friends, this was my end game before i started messing with wooting

[calm pulsar]

did you choose pro silvers cause it's like a "gaming" oriented switch?

[kind helm]

nah

[calm pulsar]

I've been looking into geon raptor MX gaming and some videos mentioned it is similar to some gateron MX switch that is better suited for gaming

[kind helm]

found on a github page that someone host, from recommendation, cheap smooth and not much wobble

[calm pulsar]

ic

[calm pulsar]

bright github

[calm pulsar]

yeah it seems to have a reduced travel distance to usual 4mm

[kind helm]

yea 3.4 double stage, snappy boi

[calm pulsar]

regret not grabbing gmk cosmos now

with this board

[kind helm]

me regret getting black case

so depressing

[calm pulsar]

but maybe I'll find a local reseller cause that's how I got my gmk taiga, without waiting 2 years 😄

[calm pulsar]

yeah I was consdiering other options, but they have different colorful accent pieces which I don't like

plus I have a silver frog mini

[kind helm]

that frog mini you have with venom60 is W

[calm pulsar]

yeah I liked the softer feel a lot