🔧│keyboard_modding

[calm pulsar]

to see if they really are pingless

[kind helm]

just check one switch, or you crazy enough to make like 3 different sets of frankenswitches

[tropic urchin]

Thats actually crazy work

[kind helm]

👀

[calm pulsar]

they sound nice in hand, and don't have issues like they had with gateron stem in there

[kind helm]

just pop them on the same row on the board i think that would be decent enough of a test. its kinda messy actually when testing with a whole keeb since different rows produce different sound especially with tray mount :3

i am just eager rn, sry

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar actually I know what the RAWs remind me of now, they're like an upgraded ROG NX Snow switch

[calm pulsar]

ight let me do 3 switches and compare em with maxes cause they're what I have installed rn

[calm pulsar]

is it an HE?

[tropic urchin]

no mechanical

I think it sounds better imo

[calm pulsar]

ah Ic, I have no real experience with MX really, only low profiles, but it's nice that an HE switch is better than some MX in your opinion 😄

[tropic urchin]

its one of ASUS's switches for their lineup

[tropic urchin]

its also box stem so you can feel the stem wobble without pressing which is cringe, but I think with different stabs/new case material, they will sound similar, but better

[tropic urchin]

It'll be interesting to see when I get my keyboard, but I think some of the HE vs MX is a little overblown for sound. Some are objectively bad (looking at you TTC) and others are good enough to pass so idk

[calm pulsar]

the biggest limitation is how they bottom out compared to MX

lol I always hit enter cause of split backspace

[tropic urchin]

The artisan keycap also is supposed to arrive today, so Monday is lookin good 👀

[calm pulsar]

got me a mix

[tropic urchin]

Oreo switches

[calm pulsar]

geon opener also works as a little tester

[tropic urchin]

This is the only thing I can use it drives me crazy 😭

[little glen]

im gonna use my opener as a tester as well

sounds like a good fidget toy

[tropic urchin]

Use it with your F5 key

Instant time passer

[keen lotus]

Hi guys, for people using the tofu redux do most of y'all do the tempest tape mod or no?

[thorn zealot]

No

[robust siren]

i did it cause i was taking the keyboard apart again so might as well

[mint pasture]

Ok so for those of you who are looking at the Jade Maxes I would wait. Something is going on with just normal everyday typing. If you use normal caps and not something heavy like a metal or ceramic keycap, these things stick. They get stuck on the up and the down. It is actually really bad and noticable. It prevents modifider keys from releasing like shift and the like and just has a bad feel. YES they do sound thockier, yes their RGB is fantastic, but the step getting physically stuck is a major problem. Keep it in mind before upgrade. I suggest Jade Pros or GEON Raws. A little more poppy sound profile, little less RGB, but a MUCH better feel overall.

[keen lotus]

Tbh the sound dont really bother me. Its just that I'm changing the case soon so I was thinking if I should tape mod. I don't wanna take apart the keyboard again after changing the case thats why I'm wondering if i should just do it now or not do it.

[keen lotus]

Alright. Thanks for the input

[robust siren]

well if you dont really care about the sound there isnt much point in doing it

[keen lotus]

Fair enough. Just wondering if its "worth" but worth is also subjective. I'm just thinking if I should do it since I'm taking apart the keyboard so I might as well. I can't decide lmao

[tropic urchin]

How long did it take for it to become blatant for you

[robust siren]

i mean its just lining up a few pieces of tape, cutting out the screw holes and thats pretty much it

i forgot which video of mine is with and without the tape mod

though i have sent it here before

found it

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[keen lotus]

I think thats what putting me off. I'm a total newbie to this and I'm not sure if i can figure out where to cut the holes for the screws. Is it like really obvious?

Like just flipping it around and looking at where the screws are and thats where you make the hole?

[robust siren]

you can do it by poking a hole with a toothpick and cut around that hole in the tape

it doesnt have to be exact, you can cut a little more around the screw hole

[keen lotus]

Nice. Tbh both sounded the same to me lmao. Are you using an aluminum case?

[robust siren]

yeah, its the tofu60 redux and the steel plate and raw hes

i later switched to fr4

[keen lotus]

Hmm it sounded the same to me tbh. If thats the case i might just skip the tape mod. Dont wanna screw anything up. Thanks for your input!

[robust siren]

i just poked through these holes in blue and eyeballed the ones in red

the top square is for the usb-c connector

[robust siren]

any time

[robust siren]

oh this is the 60he pcb, not the 60he+ if anyones looking & its iso

[keen lotus]

Is it about the same? Mine is probably 60he+ and its ansi

Is there like a guide on where I should poke holes if im doing the tape mod or is it actually really obvious when you do it?

[robust siren]

yeah the screw holes are the same place

it just doesnt have screw-in stab compatibility

well if you want to be really exact, ig you can measure out where the holes are

[keen lotus]

Thankyou. I'll keep the pic for reference. I'm just scared I'm too dumb to know where to poke holes for the screw lmao

[robust siren]

but i just used a flathead and poked through the screw mount holes, though its probably not the best idea

[robust siren]

i mean youre really just poking holes in tape, it wont hurt to do it over

[robust siren]

oh right and its up to you to choose if you want to use the mount in the middle and the one next to the spacebar on the right

personally, i dont use either of them

[keen lotus]

Is this where the screws are supposed to be?

[robust siren]

theres also one more right here (in red) and the (green) is also optional

but yes, those are where the screws are supposed to be

[keen lotus]

Ohh nice. Thank you so much. Can I just remove the screws and poke something through it through the top?

[robust siren]

[keen lotus]

Actually sounds super easy I might as well just do it. If anything goes wrong I can just blame myself for being dumb lmao. Thankyouu!

[robust siren]

of course! just take it slow and you'll be fine

[mint pasture]

Day 2

[tropic urchin]

What a tragedy

[mint pasture]

What is a Geon Max Ambassador btw?

[stone flax]

geon better bro

[tropic urchin]

I got the Maxes originally and I ordered the RAWs in case I got what you were describing, so I combined the two for the cursed name

[mint pasture]

ok. Not arguing.

[mint pasture]

Ahh you use a combo? In what regard?

[knotty iron]

youre gonna like the feeling of the raw he switches way more

[tropic urchin]

I didn’t combo them, but I did it in the name for the memes

[mint pasture]

ahh

[tropic urchin]

I was kinda floored by how they sounded and felt stock ngl

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-night-raw-wwe-raw-wrestling-2020-gif-19125491

[tropic urchin]

I didn’t like them stock in sound tests, but it’s kinda jarring

My soul is only half saved

[mint pasture]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_5fKeRp5o48?feature=share
The sound profiles here break down all but the geon

[tropic urchin]

I definitely get the ‘better Jade sound’ discourse a little better now, they’re nice

[knotty iron]

jade maxes sound best imo but i would rather use a switch that i may not prefer in terms of acoustic properties if it performs better

[tropic urchin]

Idk I’m skeptical of that now

[mint pasture]

I prefer the Jade Pros

But that is just me

With the metallic keycaps the Jade Maxes have a wonderufl feel and sound but you need a 300$ keycap set with an insane weight to push past the sticky feel

[tropic urchin]

After the other sound test that was posted here I wanna say the pros are also my current Jade favorite, but I’m still mad at Gateron for what they did to the maxes

Fuckin smh

[mint pasture]

I mean these things go to the factory and are often rushed. They will likely discontinue when they are out of stock.

and make the Max 2 and capitalize on that

Max Pro Super

[tropic urchin]

Kinda wish I didn’t lube mine now but w/e

[mint pasture]

Yah sometimes ya gotta raw dog it.

[chilly mural]

Time for you to lube the raw to pass the time for white zinc

[mint pasture]

I'll tell ya this. As a person who customizes and builds etc, I will NEVER lube my own switches. If the switch is that bad out of factory I throw it away.

This day and age no reason to need to lube your own.

[tropic urchin]

On my switch opener I didn’t get the full ‘sticky’ feel up until I tried the raws a little more, but there’s definitely something in the background

Might show more on keyboard

[mint pasture]

my shift key will literally lag on up

[tropic urchin]

I think most I’ll do is the springs

[mint pasture]

it's terrible

[tropic urchin]

The raw stock is kinda crazy

[chilly mural]

Good enough

[mint pasture]

I sent them an email to see if they are aware and gave them feedback, best I can do at this point./

[tropic urchin]

Very true, I think you can also leave a review on the max front page

[mint pasture]

I hear the new gamer ones have the same sound profile but feel scratchy

[tropic urchin]

Those are yikes

[mint pasture]

If I paid for them i would, but I do keeb reviews.

So I try to work with companies to make shit beter.

[tropic urchin]

Doin the lords work 🙏🏻

[mint pasture]

I actually have an interview with Calder I am going to post it soon we talked for 4 hours.

Trying to break it down into 1 hour podcasts

[tropic urchin]

That’s actually a W idea

[mint pasture]

Dude is down to earth.

But 4 hours of video is hard to edit haha

[glacial wind]

yeah as someone who used to do podcasts on youtube, gotta be careful uploading giant long videos like that lol

[glacial wind]

it kills your channels algo because watch percentage and such are tough to get on a long podcast

[tropic urchin]

When’s the next rogue guide /s

[glacial wind]

lol i get asked that sometimes still randomly

I bet just the highlights would do well as small clips/tidbits though - but 4 hours of editing down into clips would be a pain in the ass

[mint pasture]

True now to hire some kid who is way better than me at that to do it lol

[dense garden]

Have i done the stabilizers correctly for the 80he? Im a bit stuck rn 😅

Like should this thing click anywhere?

[robust siren]

you put that part in the pcb first and then screw it in

[dense garden]

Do i just place pcb ontop and screw in?

Like this?

[robust siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yz-UzTY8_I

you want that little tab to hook onto the pcb

1:40 it shows pcb clip ins and screw ins, its the 2nd one

@dense garden

[dense garden]

Yes i will take a look now

Ty i think ive got it

[exotic venture]

is there any real difference in buying Lekker V2s over the RAWs besides sounding different?

[tropic urchin]

I think the RAWs are supposed to have better stem wobble, but those are the main 2

[stone flax]

yes

stem wobble

reduced travel

pole bottom out

[exotic venture]

i will likely go with the v2s just so I know my keyboard will still function as intended by wooting

[dense garden]

Do i screw bolts in?

Bc they dont hold the stabilzer anyway

[frank junco]

I have gone through like 30 websites and I couldnt find the keyboard case I was looking for haha
I'm in pain

[robust siren]

you screw them in from the bottom

not the top

[dense garden]

Ahh okay tysm

[calm pulsar]

@kind helm little test before doing it in the board

on iphone mic they sound way different from irl lol

[tropic urchin]

The left sounds pretty similar to mine rn, W mic

Just with some extra foam

[calm pulsar]

honestly the frankenswitch feels snappier in hand, similar to MX switches from gateron that they included as samples

[viral vine]

wow raws are just so much better

lol

i just installed mine

[glacial wind]

every day our followers grow. glory to geon and all that he touches!

[fluid ravine]

[stone flax]

Raws. Never. Lost.

[fluid ravine]

Raws forever on top

Until something can top it some how lmfao

[viral vine]

raws are a lot smoother

[knotty iron]

exactly, i wasted $180 USD on them i wrote a review on them on the gateron website hoping no one will buy them

the maxes defeat the purpose of an analog switch because of the PC stem and the absurd amount of friction

no amount of lube can fix it :(

[fallen echo]

You guys dont understand. this is the best of all possible worlds. if geons were any better they would choke the market and Geon in his wisdom knew he had to hold back. We are not ready for the perfect switch.

[mint frigate]

What’s the consensus on jade pros? I know geons are loved here and jade max suffer from keycaps sticking. I got mine for $55 on aliexpress using the welcome deal

[robust siren]

hes held back by law, cant run a monopoly

[fallen echo]

I had them before Geon RAWs. personal opinion: they are too light with their 40g. sound profile is nice, personally preferred over RAWs. the tinted top housing effs up RGB fidelity.

[stone flax]

just break in

[calm pulsar]

I've been gaming just fine on maxes

[stone flax]

I wonder if anyones actually just tried break in

for the maxes

[calm pulsar]

okay jade raws done, made one with max upper for capslock led

[mint frigate]

Awesome, I’ll only be gaming on them and don’t really care much for rgb so they sop us perfect for me.

[tropic urchin]

These look fucking crazy I love it

[fluid ravine]

well into the jail board they go

[calm pulsar]

lol

[stone flax]

jade housing raw stem?

[calm pulsar]

black jade bottom
black knight top
raw stem

pingless 62.5g spring

[stone flax]

waow

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-rainbow-gif-16371640281423984830

[stone flax]

blade jades used for frankswitching rly just a flex

[calm pulsar]

no cause I had this frankenswitch before, but with gateron stem

I wanted a full black switch which is why I built it and found that BK with gateron stem is zero wobble

it was super tight, too tight in some switches, so raw stem is great in this

[stone flax]

[calm pulsar]

1st jade raws
2nd jade maxes

[knotty iron]

yeah i want them to 😭

[stone flax]

maxes are shit

[calm pulsar]

yeah the frankenswitch sounds cleaner

[knotty iron]

raws have the best tolerances from my experience, gateron has probably the worst tolerances. the undisclosed wooting v2 vendor is just behind raw he imo

[calm pulsar]

@kind helm @tropic urchin did a sound test

[calm pulsar]

gold grain is the "undisclosed vendor"

[knotty iron]

my guess was TTC or Geon LOL

[calm pulsar]

geon's switches are made by gold grain as well

[stone flax]

its gg

[knotty iron]

Raw HE says Geon OEM

[stone flax]

???Geons not the manufacturer for these switches

he owns the molds

but gg makes em

raws are grain gold raptors are grain gold lekkers v2 are grain gold

[knotty iron]

How did you find this out

[stone flax]

brodie

😭

everyone been know

[knotty iron]

people have just been saying undisclosed

[stone flax]

lekker v2’s deadass be some hejin teals/yellows

[stone flax]

u behind

[calm pulsar]

@knotty iron geon mentioned that his new switch is being made by gold grain, but he adjusts the molds

the same with raws

[stone flax]

u saw right

[calm pulsar]

yeah remember something like this

[stone flax]

yep

[knotty iron]

is it grain gold or gold grain

[vocal rose]

Redragon 👀

[calm pulsar]

@stone flax do you think wooting still hasn't made their own closed bottom switch cause gateron and gg own these designs?

or maybe wooting just prefers cream thock

[stone flax]

…no

raws better

🤭

[uneven cradle]

I think majority of people buying probably prefer the "thocky" sound over clack so it was probably the right move imo

[knotty iron]

i prefer the raws for their shorter travel

[tropic urchin]

Well it looks like my maxes are going to be saved just for the top housing to be made into a frankenswitch at a later date

[knotty iron]

o7

[tropic urchin]

I cant unhear the plastic sound now 😦

[calm pulsar]

I'm sure biased for closed bottom, but I feel like it would've been great to include an option that feels way different, esp since wooting is known for being very customizable

[calm pulsar]

hehe

I wonder if I can replace jade bottom to jade pro bottom for even better tolerances

that is if the jade pro bottom is any different from normal jades

[tropic urchin]

I think i probably would've been alot happier with the Jade Pros if they didnt do that stupid colored housing

[uneven cradle]

I think the module serves this purpose pretty well

[calm pulsar]

sure, I just meant as an option on the store, not prebuilt boards

[calm pulsar]

for a small price of $1 per switch you can install jade max housing on jade pros for clear rgb

[uneven cradle]

like the jades and raw hes being added

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-panda-mascot-mad-seccato-gif-12605734

[calm pulsar]

that true, raws being sold is based

[tropic urchin]

Now you have to change your name to the Gateron RAW ambassador

[calm pulsar]

or black jade raw knight pingless

v2

pro max

[tropic urchin]

"Arcsyko ........."

[knotty iron]

does gg have a website

i would like to see their switches 👀

[stone flax]

bro

[calm pulsar]

their switches would be... raws, black knights etc xd

[grave elbow]

new keycaps 🙏🏽

[untold wigeon]

These look like the extra ones you get with Cerakey

[stone flax]

is the 1st one max tops or knight tops

[calm pulsar]

the first one is this, the second fully stock maxes

[stone flax]

yowza

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-mochimon-kawaii-cute-gif-13105127215766961484

[calm pulsar]

yeah somehow black knight upper seems very tight when you use non boxed stems on it

so sounds quite clean

[kind helm]

what is the receipt for the jade raw :3

[calm pulsar]

normal jade bottom
black knight top
raw stem

maybe jade pro bottom also works, not sure

but my jade pros are on the way

[fluid ravine]

60g pingless long/dual stage spring when

[kind helm]

jade max topping out sounds weird

[calm pulsar]

this

[calm pulsar]

I feel like the lube makes these sticky sounds between the dual rails lol

[kind helm]

😭 imagine if they just improve the quality, the deeper sound would be nice to compensate with fr4

[tropic urchin]

I just tried to lube the RAWs out of curiosity and I feel like it does nothing

[calm pulsar]

hehe cause tolerances are very good and the stock lube job as well

[tropic urchin]

Makes me a little sad, but pretty happy

that I dont gotta go thru too much torment for them

[stone flax]

wait

do u have a picture of the plate?

this is a tsangan frog plate right

iirc

[calm pulsar]

yeah its the alu venom 7u plate

[stone flax]

dudeeee

ive been hunting this down

for so long

@_@ on taobao

what hardness tadpoles

?

[kind helm]

i wonder if the max just needs some time to break in, kinda even out the lube in there maybe help with the stickiness

[calm pulsar]

yeah I just got some guy to buy both fr4 and alu from geon's korean store, along with the 50a tadpoles

[calm pulsar]

50a

[stone flax]

fuck man

ill dig a bit for the link

or do u still have it

[calm pulsar]

I will just get it one sec

[stone flax]

idek if i can buy if its directly from the korean store

:<

more waiting

fun

[calm pulsar]

well you're from a 1st world country lul there must be some services

plates: https://smartstore.naver.com/geonlab/products/10810509637

tadpoles: https://smartstore.naver.com/geonlab/products/5745478501

[stone flax]

possibly

Ill ask around

[kind helm]

👀 why buy from there after they made gmmk pro. i wont trust them to know what they are doing. "is it even possible to make switches that only work for one keyboard" have you heard of wooting when it just came out

[calm pulsar]

I just kinda went to a russian version of cragslist, I guess that would be an equivalent

and just found a guy who studies there and does mail forwarding

[stone flax]

thanks a lot

ill ask for options

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar oooh this is nice, if you lube the springs pretty well it has a little more marbly sound

Maxes are officially cooked

[calm pulsar]

yeah lubing the springs clears up the sound nicely

[tropic urchin]

Yeah this is the way

Glory to Geon and all the marbly apostles

[calm pulsar]

Geon be praised

[kind helm]

what have you done!

[calm pulsar]

lol it happens usually, I just refresh the page or disable vpn

@tropic urchin wait are you planning to do what exactly with maxes upper housings?

[tropic urchin]

at a later date try to get the RAW stem + max housing + insert w/e jade bottom i can find, frankenswitch is still early in development for me for prio

whatever you did for this one

[calm pulsar]

ah okay, I asked cause maxes don't fit with raw bottom housing

like you have to press it REALLY hard for it to "fit" loosely

[tropic urchin]

Yeah I remember this

[harsh dove]

New Cable arrives today

[tropic urchin]

makes me sad bc the RAW stem is actually really nice

[calm pulsar]

sexy

[tropic urchin]

its one thing Gateron could improve

atleast from the maxes line

[calm pulsar]

you could probably get whatever jades you can find except for maxes and use their bottom

but you could also just use pure raws, cause their rgb is also very good

[tropic urchin]

Yeah thats what I was planning on doing at some point. So far the RAWs are winning the power struggle

[random loom]

Guys question if I want da best possible sound hand lube springs or use a bag

[tropic urchin]

Probably by hand if you got time to kill

you can control how much you distribute

bag seems to be purely for efficiency

[kind helm]

kr law kinda nutty, id verification before ordering, almost feel like i am in china

[calm pulsar]

well its for domestic shipping, courier service

[random loom]

And HOW DO I LUBE GPL 105s ON SPRINGS I DONT WANNA OVERLUBE BUT THEY ARE JUST FLOWING EVERY PART OF THE SPRING ITS TOO MUCH

[calm pulsar]

bag lube lol

if by hand use 205

[tropic urchin]

for springs I only do like top and bottom, 105s you're on your own

[kind helm]

haven't lube a he switch yet, but i used to just put a drop of lube(205 equivalent) on the top of the spring and give it a few tap after i put back the top housing

[tropic urchin]

My dream frankenswitch is the RAW Stem, Max upper housing + Max spring and cheap Jade bottoms

[flat cobalt]

Waiting for the cosmos is gonna feel like an eternity @polar girder

[random loom]

Heheh…. (Time to suffer for 4 hours and lube some switches thank god I only have to do this once per keyboard)

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZs8rHooPo worked for me and i lubed a few different sets of switches

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think normal jades are discounted on aliexpress

[robust siren]

reason #1 id never be part of a group buy/preorder, i can barely wait a week for my monitor

[tropic urchin]

once whenever my annoyance with gateron ends ill prob try the idea

im still mad they got me to buy the maxes

[flat cobalt]

Literally though the wait is gonna suck, and I have like 3 artisans on the way to

[tropic urchin]

Only springs isnt too bad, but opening the RAW is like trying to crack open a coconut

[kind helm]

https://www.delivered.co.kr 👀

[random loom]

What is this

Help

[calm pulsar]

my frankenswitch

[tropic urchin]

Raw stem, jade max upper housing and jade black bottoms

is what i believe he used

its a monstrosity, but it sounds nice

[quasi fjord]

Hey guys, i got a 60HE+ module and holy60 case. Really need some suggestions on modding here. 1. Jade Pro vs. geon raws. Any other things i should includes in my list? Like a fr4 plate and black knights stabs?

[calm pulsar]

yeah black jades are just normal jades recolor btw

[random loom]

Sound test?

[random loom]

Chaos

[tropic urchin]

I think he did if you scroll up a few hrs

[polar girder]

lol yeah better to just forget about it

[kind helm]

just get the raw, pc included in module is typically preferred over fr4, no need to get new stabs as apparently the stock ones are decent

👀 i think the name of this modding channel really should be "just get the raw" at least at the moment

[quasi fjord]

Alright thanks buddy, and would that be the best solution? cuz im tryna maxmize the performance w/o considering the budget here

[calm pulsar]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[kind helm]

you get pretty much the exact same performance as a stock wooting, all the mods are more for sound and feel rather than performance

[random loom]

Sorry but jade maxes sound better for me

Foam acquired

[calm pulsar]

so you like the second vid?

[random loom]

Ye

[calm pulsar]

didnt you post this pic a couple of days ago

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar how much did the shipping for venom costed you? and if i remember correctly you in us east right?

👀 sry if i am wrong i talked to way too many people in discord

[random loom]

Ye but different channel :/

Then deleted it like I think yesterday cuz just realised

[calm pulsar]

no im from Russia 😄
it was a small commission + shipping, not that much over the order price

it wasn't a service like you linked, it was just a guy doing mail forwarding, as if you simply ask a friend to buy it and send it to you

so not sure how much that would be for you

probably not that much

[kind helm]

i feel like if i ship it to us it may cost similar or more than wooting module

[calm pulsar]

well if you order venom + plate, their base cost is way cheaper

don't you have a wooting already though?

[polar girder]

I do like the sound of jade max

NGL

[kind helm]

👀 i have 2 cases

[calm pulsar]

ic ic

well tsangan layout venom is super cool I love it

[kind helm]

and 7U is superior

[polar girder]

That Leo Clacks video was a really good test

[stone flax]

of course you do

[calm pulsar]

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar is any type of plate included 0.0 ?

[calm pulsar]

you buy pcb and plate separately, there are 2 types of plates, for frog mini and for other tray mount / gummy mount cases

[kind helm]

GH60 fr4 plate sold out😭

[calm pulsar]

oh rip

[kind helm]

but thanks for the link man, i gonna look at it maybe beginning of nov and see if they restock :3 (maybe they starting selling it on us vendors like novelkey or divinikey by then)

[calm pulsar]

yeah venom 60 will for sure be selling internationally, so maybe you can just wait a bit and avoid the hassle

[kind helm]

from the description of the website it doesn't look that bad, essentially all the korea side is handled through them. i am basically placing the order in a slightly different way through their website.
i searched online a bit, apparently buying from korea is a thing for kpop merch

LOL

[calm pulsar]

korean car parts are also very popular, at least here lol

[young lantern]

stock geon raws with alu plate on salvation no plate/case foam

needs plate foam yall think?

in the process of lubing switches as we speak

[kind helm]

i tried fr4 plate, fr4 plate with poron, pc plate. i personally like pc plate more with geon raw

[young lantern]

i like red plate :P

tried to match this picture of gmk zen pond

[kind helm]

in the recording, the poron kinda just filter that high pitch, but just me hearing directly from the keeb, i kinda feel like its a bit less lively for lack of a better word

foamy :3

think you should just give it a try later, its not that hard to add foam since pcb is not holding on the switches

[young lantern]

i agree foam does make it muted but im more worried about the alu plate and alu case resonance tbh

i just need to use these pingless springs after i lube and go from there

[thorn zealot]

i run raws on alu plate with no foam at all

i dont hear much resonance

although im using a tofu redux

[young lantern]

perfect

most tests i see on salvation were with fr4 plate but barely any alu

[quasi fjord]

what kinds of knight stabs should a 60HE+ take? Like there are standard and long pole, plus standard 2U kit.

[young lantern]

standard for regular 4.0mm travel switches and long pole for 3.7mm and under

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar low key I think trying to open the RAWs is worse than the max keycap issue, this is mad annoying

[calm pulsar]

haha

sometimes if you wobble the switch on the opener it opens like usual

[tropic urchin]

It gets everything to 50% so then I have to take a thumbtack as suggested by Frijoles

some are 5 secs, some are 5 mins jesus

[calm pulsar]

I just use my thumbs

[tropic urchin]

you got them 150g fingers

[calm pulsar]

nah after you open it half way it is easy to pry em open from corners

[tropic urchin]

just requires a nail oh cool

[dense garden]

Changing switches in wooting80he and greased stabilisers and lubed switches, i got 3 left over silver screws lol

[winter moss]

hey guys anyone got recommendations for ISO keycaps witz some red accents?

[robust siren]

i dont think thats supposed to happen chief

[balmy temple]

You made a mistake

As a car mechanic that would be something to worry about

[dense garden]

Its to late to go back

[balmy temple]

But its just a keyboard

[dense garden]

Im committing

[balmy temple]

Nah its just a keyboard

[dense garden]

Gonna plug it in rn

[balmy temple]

You’ll be fine

[balmy temple]

Send me it first before that 👍

Jkjk

I cant wait for mine

Im literally almost dying

The longer i wait the more unstable i get

https://tenor.com/view/betelgueuse-gif-19979358

[robust siren]

bros tweakin

[balmy temple]

Just a little

[balmy temple]

Are you not tweakin?

[robust siren]

nah im chillin

i just dropped like 1.4 or 1.5k on my setup upgrade

[torpid crow]

does this thing work in geon frog mini

or is the mounting not compatible

[dense garden]

Uh oh

Anyone know why? Only lights up when i apply pressure on it

[ionic breach]

u got a ss of wootility (rgb)?

uncropped

[dense garden]

This?

[ionic breach]

nah rgb

[ionic breach]

something loose?

[dense garden]

Idk

I had 3 screw missing

I checked and couldnt find where to screw em in tho

[calm pulsar]

checked the plate?

[dense garden]

The thing that tells me about the 80he?

[calm pulsar]

maybe its for plate standoffs

[dense garden]

All screws were in there, so idk where else they could go

[jade narwhal]

emm even if something loose, the led will light as normal. i have seen some people in community say that their led on 80he may not light on certain keys...

[dense garden]

Do u know a fix? @jade narwhal

[jade narwhal]

no. you can post it in https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1019755933959733258

[knotty iron]

what is a good hobby syringe for injecting 205g0 or grease for stabs

[calm pulsar]

which stabs?

cause some are recommended to be lubed with thicker grease

[mint frigate]

Should I be buying long pole stabs for jade pros? Or will the stock stabs work fine

[ionic breach]

honestly depends on the quality of ur keycaps

maybe try it out with default first

[trim bolt]

Anyone know whats wrong with my newly installed stabs?

It’s AP Stabilizer TKL Set (1.6mm PCB Mount) (Clip-In) on Gateron jades

[mint frigate]

I’ve got a set of gmk dualshot 2s waiting for my 80he

[ionic breach]

the lube?

[ionic breach]

ur good then

use default

[trim bolt]

Is it because there’s no lube?

[ionic breach]

maybe

[trim bolt]

Okay

[stone flax]

when will wooting discord stop fighting a losing battle against stabs installation

gods hardest test

https://youtu.be/6Yz-UzTY8_I?feature=shared

[stone flax]

@trim bolt

[trim bolt]

Thank you

[fluid ravine]

fr

everything just goes wrong with the stabs

[trim bolt]

Yeah pretty sure its the lube. I installed mine correctly, lube is coming tomorrow

[dusky orchid]

Using a USB extension can cause performance issues on the 60he?

[robust siren]

yes, you want it ideally to be under 2 meters long

[calm pulsar]

we are gods creamiest warriors

[dusky orchid]

My main cable measures 1 meter and I plan to use an extension that is another meter long, do you think it will cause problems even then?

[robust siren]

as long as the 2nd cable can also support the power draw of the wooting, it should be fine but might cause issue when using tachyon mode

[untold wigeon]

whoever told me to get the RAW HE switches...thank you. they feel so good.

[glacial wind]

Glory to geon and all that he touches!

[knotty iron]

WS v3.1 1.6mm

[knotty iron]

so true

[knotty iron]

i am a gd player that recommends Raw HE switches

they are perfect

[calm pulsar]

not sure if they have tight tolerances like knights for example, maybe some thicker grease is advised for these on stab wires

[knotty iron]

I mostly got them because of the silicone internals

and the cost was pretty ok

[stark spade]

Drop doesnt sell clone keycaps right?

[fluid ravine]

Gmk clones?

No they shouldn't

[stark spade]

Perfect. Think ill get me some blue samurais

Thanks!

[kind helm]

drop? 50$?

[fluid ravine]

nvm nvm

Blocknet

[stark spade]

blocknet?

[fluid ravine]

this kit costs $49

[stark spade]

ahh lol gotcha

[fluid ravine]

the whole kit is $140

"Cyberdeck"

[polar girder]

thats fire

[fluid ravine]

it is

[fluid ravine]

for the alphas, nums, and what not without the modifiers they're $49

I wouldnt mind lowkey

"Kobe" is the same thing but in Jap

Honestly get the Gaijin or the Kobe for $49 and the bars (modifier caps in neon red) for $5 and you're set

60-65% specifically i think

$55 for gmk that you can slap on a compact board kinda lit ngl i'd take, i fw with the color way of this set a well lol

[fluid ravine]

raws looking milky white in this pic interesting

[calm pulsar]

bottom housings kinda are beige or milky, and the stem is white

[fluid ravine]

how's the franken switches so far

I'm losing my mind with my board even though it sounds decent

stabilizers are pointing a gun at my head rn

[knotty iron]

i like the legends they are so clean and basic

top left helvetica my favourite

[fluid ravine]

i mean it's gmk

[calm pulsar]

being lubed

[fluid ravine]

colors smak doe

[fluid ravine]

pls donate some

[fluid ravine]

what we cooking td

what's the switch config

[calm pulsar]

right now it's
jade bottom (black jades in this case)
black knight top
raw stem
geon pingless 62.5g spring

[knotty iron]

makes sense

[calm pulsar]

I will try jade pro parts when they arrive to see if they fit and improve anything

but black switch looks great

[fluid ravine]

any tolerance issue?

like inconsistency issue with them being too tight like last time?

[calm pulsar]

there was with the gateron stem, but with raw stem it is fixed

[fluid ravine]

but doesn't seem to sacrifice the tighter tolerance yeah?

[knotty iron]

i assume no issues with friction because of the stems using POM (assumed)

[calm pulsar]

they sound quite clean so I'd say it is just as good as raws in terms of tolerances, but the sound signature is closer to jades rather than raws

[fluid ravine]

ic

[untold wigeon]

do you prefer the 80he over the 60he?

[calm pulsar]

I will redo my build with these later, fix my stabs and force break and it might become my latest best build

[fluid ravine]

Usually at these times i would do more configuration tests to see what i can do with the raws but idk i lack the motiviation lmfao

need to make my board sound a tiny bit fuller or stronger

[calm pulsar]

tbf all this time I've been running at least some kinda plate foam, but after mj asked me to do a venom build with the alu plate, I really liked zero foams

it sounds lively and full now

so maybe that's something to try

[fluid ravine]

ah yes the magic of alu plate

running cf plate

it's just a bright sounding plate

[knotty iron]

personally for what I do yes

arrow keys are a must for me and the ergonomics work better for me (better typing angle and front height, stiff gasket doesnt feel like im bottoming out on a table while being sturdy enough for gaming)

80HE is pretty much my endgame

[calm pulsar]

yeah it is probably nice with friction mount
I never tried the cf plate that I have

cause now I only have alu and fr4 for the frog

[fluid ravine]

i got quite unlucky with my stabs ngl

esp the fact im running plate mount

[calm pulsar]

you got TX AP long poles right?

[fluid ravine]

normal

plate mounts

xd

[calm pulsar]

the fact that you can take out plate mounts without disassembling the whole boards is so insane

[fluid ravine]

that's true

I got pretty unfortunate with my stabs not fitting into the plate that well

or tightly

but im guessing it's for the pcb mounted stabs

[calm pulsar]

so is it fine currently? or some stabs are too tight

[fluid ravine]

loose actually

[calm pulsar]

oh, could be a tolerance issue on kbdfans end

[fluid ravine]

Frijoles said that his plate mounts fit great or tightly on his board when he had it before it was sent out to me

so idrk what the problem is with mine

all of them are lifted like in the first picture

[calm pulsar]

maybe you took em out so much that they are worn out lul

[fluid ravine]

that'd be unfortunate and would also make sense

if that was the problem then ig i wouldnt mind getting another set at some point

Or just say fk it and buy the module (not happening)

[calm pulsar]

damn I have so many plates that I don't use, maybe I can actually figure out if I can ship em out to you, cause there are companies that do that and I even received my frog from US

I also got some cmmk v3 plate mount stabs

[fluid ravine]

i forgot those stabs existed lmfao

i remember everyone using it back then or saying they were the goat

[calm pulsar]

I got alu, fr4, pc, pom, cf

[fluid ravine]

gah damn

[fluid ravine]

normal wooting plate files?

like the ones from kbd and smkeyboards?

[calm pulsar]

yeah all compatible with wooting

[fluid ravine]

interesante

im curious about alu

[calm pulsar]

Alu (black) and CF are kbdfans
transparent PC, POM (black) and FR4 (full black without gold accents) are from some aliexpress store

fr4 and pom I personally used

[fluid ravine]

good picks

[fluid ravine]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/plate/products/tofu60-redux-plate is this the ghost pc plate you got from kbd

if that one works so should the alu one i assume

[calm pulsar]

no but I got the black alu from this page

[fluid ravine]

oh shiii

[fluid ravine]

oh wait righttt everything came back to me

[calm pulsar]

it is a really nice quality plate, nicely anodized

[fluid ravine]

i forgot you said smth like when you get the raws you will install them into the alu plate

[fluid ravine]

fr

[calm pulsar]

haha and then I went insane and ordered the frog and decided not to do anything with the freebird60 anymore

[fluid ravine]

moni well spent

heh

[calm pulsar]

yeah I will do some research on how to ship a package to US and if you could cover shipping I could send you a ton of things I don't need

if you want ofc 😄

[fluid ravine]

haha yeah it would depend, but am curious on the shipping costs

from there to here

[calm pulsar]

okay when I'm done with this deadline I got programming school, I will look into it and let you know if the shipping cost is sensible

[fluid ravine]

alright

just finish my hw for ap comp sci

my brain is fried

[calm pulsar]

oh nice

we only have such subjects in colleges or unis, nothing like that in middle or high school

[fluid ravine]

oof xd

alr ima go to sleep for school tmr now, gn yall

[calm pulsar]

gn gn

[tiny summit]

All owners of cerakeys, have any of you tried a 120g or 150g for spacebar? 🙂

[pliant kernel]

There was 120/150g springs ?

[tiny summit]

on ali express yes

[pliant kernel]

Interesting info

[tiny summit]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806148791012.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[scarlet rock]

does the RAW HE needs to be lubed?

[ionic breach]

nah

but u can if u want

[scarlet rock]

naa im getting too old to hand lube now

[calm pulsar]

thankfully raws are very nice stock

[dapper obsidian]

so what switches crystalized to be the go to for the 80HE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKID0ORh1xk

[marsh saffron]

Raw he is still king

[dapper obsidian]

Was quite a nice video to show comparison

[dapper obsidian]

I do not like their sound sadly

[quasi hinge]

if you like sticky keys get the Jade Maxs lol

they sound great but have an inherent design flaw

[dapper obsidian]

but what makes them "stick"?

[pliant kernel]

I never cared for the sound, only the feel as I type.

[quasi hinge]

either bad QC or design flaw, they use a new dual rail system in the Maxs

[flat cobalt]

Yeah that’s why saying one is better is a bit bonkers since it’s mostly all preference

[quasi hinge]

performance > sound

[static tendon]

What is a friction mount? Is it when there's rubber underneath the PCB without using any screws?

[calm pulsar]

outside of maxes, all switches perform the same pretty much

[dapper obsidian]

well yeah, but at some level its also pretty bad if they do not have a sound you can endure to hear all day

[dapper obsidian]

not to mention lube is a thing so nothing should scratch in the end and after that its just travel and weight of the spring that matters for feel

[pliant kernel]

Yeah, even being deaf with hearing implant. I still can feel a sharp sound from my fingers

[quasi hinge]

Technically yes, but switching from 4.0 to the raw 3.4 travel distance was an improvement

plus the stability

[pliant kernel]

And that's lekker L60 v1.5

[calm pulsar]

agreed

[dapper obsidian]

well but I will just stick with the v2 L60s for now (well its not arrived yet). What about Stabs?

[pliant kernel]

It was acceptable to lose out 0.6mm of travel ?

[quasi hinge]

for me in an FPS its an improvement

feels like its a tighter control

[dapper obsidian]

well it depends if you are a bottom out kinda guy or not

some people do not bottom out their keys which I think is very creepy

[pliant kernel]

Gotcha, since I have lekker l60, I probably can mix and match with raw he in my keyboard

[pliant kernel]

I type like I type on a typewriter lol

[static tendon]

I don't believe I have met anyone not bottom out keys, some might be softer during bottoms outs though

[pliant kernel]

And I already want to put 100g springs on it

[quasi hinge]

less travel distance = faster response generally

unless you have specific use case

[static tendon]

But typing anything over 60WPM would require some sort of bottom out

[dapper obsidian]

??

[quasi hinge]

or just like the feel

[dapper obsidian]

Wdym less travel is more response

you have a wooting

[quasi hinge]

less travel distance

to bottoming out

[calm pulsar]

it's more like physical realization of bottoming out is earlier, but actuation is immediate on an HE board

[quasi hinge]

if I press a key and it bottoms at 3.4 instead of 4. physically its a shorter distance

[dapper obsidian]

yes

[pliant kernel]

Being able to bottom out earlier lets your finger recoil away from the key from inertia

[dapper obsidian]

but the key responds way earlier

[quasi hinge]

that equals faster speed in game

[static tendon]

I prefer reduced travel switches

[dapper obsidian]

wha

[quasi hinge]

less bottom out time

[dapper obsidian]

no it doesnt

wtf

[quasi hinge]

haha

hear me out

[static tendon]

Hall effect switches are already extremely snappy, the reduced distance helps

[quasi hinge]

the less travel distance means literally the key needs to travel less to bottom out

therefore

if I am pressing keys to bottom out, it is quicker to actuate a 3.4 than a 4.0

fair?

[dapper obsidian]

yes it does mean that. less way means less way here we go. It does not change the fact that the key actually digitally actuates WAAAAAY before bottom out

[quasi hinge]

im not talking about digital

[dapper obsidian]

well there is only digital in a HE switch

there is no leaf spring

[quasi hinge]

i still bottom out the keys

when pressing

[dapper obsidian]

well yes so do I

[quasi hinge]

so if you are bottoming out, is it not faster to bottom out 3.4 than 4?

[dapper obsidian]

it is. Changes nothing to your gameplay tho

[quasi hinge]

it changes my reaction time

[dapper obsidian]

no

[pliant kernel]

Actually, I use rapid trigger for a game I am playing, so I often spam spacebar and wasd

[calm pulsar]

the feel does affect how you react to the keyboard

[quasi hinge]

yes

if I bottom out faster, I move to the next key faster

[fallen echo]

only if the actuation happens at max travel distance.

[dapper obsidian]

yup

[quasi hinge]

yes this is my point since I tend to bottom out the key

[calm pulsar]

@dapper obsidian weren't you just talking about how it's weird that some people don't bottom out keys lol? your argument looks like no one bottoms out ever and only moves their key 0.1mm to actuate

[dapper obsidian]

mate you pressing the key on the bottom and the key giving signal

is a difference

of miles

[dapper obsidian]

no it doesnt look like I do that.

[quasi hinge]

There are times where im moving the keys ever so slightly and I agree with you

zero diff

but when fully actuating, its simply faster

[calm pulsar]

human perception changes slightly if you bottom out earlier than usual, so there's that

[dapper obsidian]

human perception and things being as they are should not really be compared now tho

[loud gull]

Friction mount pad is the sandwich pad, but it sticks out a bit. So the 60HE module will be sitting in the case just by friction, and not screwed in like tray-mounting. Which gives like a gasketish feel and sound.

[fallen echo]

technically you are both correct. if you have set your actuation to max travel distance, the shorter travel distance wouldbe a faster actuation. if you have your actuation anywhere lower than the lowest travel distance, the travel distance itself doesnt matter for actuation anymore.

[flat cobalt]

Hi!

[dapper obsidian]

yeah and if you would set that up, you could've saved alot of money and get a membrane

[loud gull]

Ayooo!

[fallen echo]

I dont know why you would set your actuation only on bottom out when pressing sequence matters to you but hey, its valid.

[flat cobalt]

Not a fan of the regular Jades?

[quasi hinge]

Some Keys are DKS

only activate when full pressed

[fallen echo]

pretty sure for most people, "regular" actuation feels fine somewhere around the 2mm mark while the rest would go for shorter actuation in gaming

[quasi hinge]

all my keys are 0.1 tacyon mode 0.15 etc etc

[tawdry tree]

you can change that if you want to.

[fallen echo]

fair but that is a specific use case then

[quasi hinge]

specific use case

and even with HE, i still fully press... ngl

[tawdry tree]

very few hover their keys

it’s difficult to do and get used to

[dapper obsidian]

I do not own any HE switches as of now. I do have some Jade Pro samples laying around here but that 4 pieces. I just come from regular custom boards and therefore I am looking for a combination that worked for people. So Switches and well Stabs. Heard stock stabs are fine but there is always more than fine available 😄

[quasi hinge]

maybe strafing im hovering

[pliant kernel]

True, the case angle is in play for this ?

[dapper obsidian]

since its a HE you can also bottom out, let go for 50% and press in again

basically does the same

again: thats what they are there for

[quasi hinge]

Wait, you dont own an HE keyboard and are trying to teach me?

[flat cobalt]

I really like the regular jades personally! but I’m on the 60HE I might end up getting some Black Knights though to go for an all black look whenever my cosmos get here next year

[tawdry tree]

perhaps

[quasi hinge]

Bru, i have 3 wootings

[dapper obsidian]

not owning one and knowing about stuff is a difference

[pliant kernel]

The way I think that in order to rest my fingers on my keyboard, I either have put stronger springs on it or extend the distance before the key triggers.

[dapper obsidian]

you can also have 10 Ferraris and not know how to drive

what kinda point is that

[quasi hinge]

well in this case I drive the ferraris

[dapper obsidian]

but bad

[quasi hinge]

and boy are they great

[dapper obsidian]

They are great indeed

especially when you know them

[quasi hinge]

case mods, hand lubed switches, tx stabs,

been through many switches

so I know how they feel

[dapper obsidian]

but not how they work. And that is fine

[quasi hinge]

I even had 160 jade maxs returned

[dapper obsidian]

I just hope you do know now that the travel distance is not relevant in HE boards

[quasi hinge]

I know how they work, your IQ needs to be 80 not to understand the basics

this is not new tech

[dapper obsidian]

aslong as you use the board like a HE board that is

[quasi hinge]

yes its fully custom

you can set to what you want

I know all that

[calm pulsar]

soo you would not bottom out on an HE board or smth?

[dapper obsidian]

Ofc I would

doesnt change the fact that it does not change anything if you bottom out for 3.4 or 4mm of travel as the actual input is sperate from your finger travel in the end

(well giving you actually met the set actuation point ofc)

[calm pulsar]

it takes a bit less time to top out from 3.4mm

[quasi hinge]

if you have a habit of bottom out the switch even if your set distance is 0.1 it will take less time to actuate the 3.4 than the 4

[dapper obsidian]

what do you mean top out?

[tawdry tree]

I think a negative case angle would make hovering keys a lot easier. so I think you’re right in that case angle does play a role

[ionic breach]

I would think that is minimal tho

I think for 3.4 ur just at the bottom for longer

cos the force u use is the same

[calm pulsar]

well just like actuation at 0.1mm vs 2mm, but here we are minmaxing as true gamers

[ionic breach]

same with sound

[calm pulsar]

stem physically returning back when you let go of the key

[dapper obsidian]

what?

No it literally doesnt

[pliant kernel]

Ah, I don't know a such kb case with negative angle for a 60HE

[flat cobalt]

Jades superior because pretty colors

[quasi hinge]

the time it takes for your finger to travel from the bottom to the top is 0.6 shorter than the 4

[calm pulsar]

could be the case, but maybe in time you adjust a bit to the shorter travel and become overall snappier

[quasi hinge]

am I taking crazy pills?

[tawdry tree]

negative angle cases are very rare but are more ergonomic than positive angle cases

[dapper obsidian]

you are mixing Actuation and bottom out travel

its not the same

[ionic breach]

ya most likely

[quasi hinge]

100%

[pliant kernel]

Very rare.... 😔

[loud gull]

The whole range has 40 steps with a 4.0mm switch. Each step is 0.1mm.
With a 3.4mm switch, you divide that by 40 steps. So each step is less then 0.1mm, and thus it activates faster.

[tawdry tree]

just mount ur 60HE upside down 🥸🗿

[ionic breach]

it's quite minimal tho to the point that I wouldn't considering the performance of it

[quasi hinge]

Booooooooooooom!

[ionic breach]

backwards compatible

[calm pulsar]

another win for the closed bottom gang

[pliant kernel]

This topic blew up so hard even a wooting team has come down here to settle it

[loud gull]

So the 0.1mm in Wootility is in reality 0.085mm on a 3.4mm switch.

[quasi hinge]

@dapper obsidian are you reading

[dapper obsidian]

I am reading

[loud gull]

I mean I get the confusion

[ionic breach]

oh ya sander what happened to all the old yt series

like judging setups and all that

[loud gull]

We still want to update wootility that you can select your range of mm. So it actually accurately represents it.

[dapper obsidian]

but couldnt you do more than 40 steps for 4mm? I mean sounds like a software limitation rather than a hardware one

[calm pulsar]

tbf we're all aware of the differences between actuation and travel distance, but initially asdasmos was just talking abt what he appreciates in geon raw he switches lol

[ionic breach]

probably ya

[loud gull]

Calder moved to Taiwan, so we don't have a physical place to record these things anymore. Tbh it is more fun and organic to film it irl then through webcam and online.

[tawdry tree]

To add to this, if you never actuate a 4mm switch further than 3.5mm or so, the same applies. The moment you go beyond 3.5mm, calibration during use activates and it’ll behave normally.

[dapper obsidian]

I mean sure. I also like 3.4mm travel dont get me wrong. ^^

[ionic breach]

tru tho

[loud gull]

But in reality, the 0.085 vs 0.1mm is like barely noticable anyway lol

[austere creek]

yesnt due to the HE sensor response curve its easier/harder to detect certain step sizes throughout parts of the key press. HE sensors arent linear is the main issue

[loud gull]

Let me just say. Not noticeable for my pleb brain

[tawdry tree]

noticeable definitely not but it does add up.

[pliant kernel]

Ah, I was wondering whatever hall-effect sensors are linear or not. Seems not

[tawdry tree]

you can correct for it if you wanted actual 0.1mm increments though

[calm pulsar]

my brain is less powerful than a hall effect pcb

[austere creek]

well they cant be cause magnetic fields arent linear

[pliant kernel]

Because that's not the sensor fault but magnet strength if I remember right

[ionic breach]

ya just how magnets work

[austere creek]

smth smth tightly coupled systems

[ionic breach]

bottom out is easier than top

[dapper obsidian]

well yes magnets do have ranges. But since they are recognised if they are at 0 or .1mm it cant be that 😄

Is there a max magnet strnegth the sensors can endure?

[pliant kernel]

It is

[quasi hinge]

It does!

[pliant kernel]

Because, past a certain strength, the sensor is saturated and wont read more changes.

[dapper obsidian]

So if you would make stronger magnets, couldnt it be beneficial in detecting changes in magnetic fields?

[quasi hinge]

every tweak I make will add up in the end

[austere creek]

theres a max strength it can detect but it wont break

[austere creek]

no

youd just shorten the detectable range basically

its like placing the magnet closer

[dapper obsidian]

yeah well true, if you end up getting over the threshhold it obviously doesnt work anymore ^^

so basically the magnets are currently in their strongest self ?

[austere creek]

yes

[pliant kernel]

There grades of magnets like N45 to N52

[austere creek]

they are specifically chosen to work well with the sensors

[dapper obsidian]

are Jade Pro magnets stronger to compensate for the closed butt?

[austere creek]

no

theres no compensating needed

[dapper obsidian]

[austere creek]

plastic doesnt do anything to magnetic fields

[tawdry tree]

Jades’ are so I’d assume Jade Pros are as well.

[tawdry tree]

perhaps Gateron wanted the bottom out strength to be the same as that of their 4mm switches?

[dapper obsidian]

yeah I get that but I was also kinda thinking that they would use a stronger magnet to kinda make up for the actual distance lost at the bottom

but I guess its also quite useless to have that as well...its an HE switch and if it goes back up its not activated anymore so whatever

[austere creek]

i mean if they do thatll just mess with how most boards calculate the press depth

[calm pulsar]

I believe the pcb calibrates and adjusts for reduced travel

[austere creek]

yes

usually youd just change the linerization curve and set a new max distance of 3.4mm

or whatever the switch max travel is

[pliant kernel]

The board goes with a calibration upon power up ?

[austere creek]

an initial calibration of the 0 point. the bottom out is constantly recalibrated during use

[dapper obsidian]

so it learns?

[austere creek]

idk if id call it learning

[dapper obsidian]

Like "why on earth does he preciseley stop here for some damn reason"

[pliant kernel]

I doubt it learns lol

[dapper obsidian]

well yes its just to understand it more easily

ofc its not intelligent

visual thinking ya know

[tawdry tree]

Sample size of 5 for everything with the new KS-20s as the baseline. It could be that the five Jades I grabbed are extremely out of spec but it’d be very coincidental.

KS-20T are Jades.

[dapper obsidian]

you gotta love Gateron Names

[tawdry tree]

real

😂😂

[calm pulsar]

Venom60HE software has this page where you can measure travel distance of each switch and trigger a recalibration

but otherwise it just constantly "remembers bottom out distance"

[pliant kernel]

Not any outliers being thrown out when calculating this ?

[calm pulsar]

you can see how I pressed win shift S to do a screenshot lul

[dapper obsidian]

most useful shortcut next to copy, paste and close window

[tawdry tree]

One moment.

[dapper obsidian]

but I mean ctrl, alt, windows, shift + W, P, and L is also funny

[calm pulsar]

I also love win + V to choose what to paste from some things stored in the buffer previously

[tawdry tree]

These were the raw values before I took the average

you could say two of them are outliers but not by a whole lot.

[dapper obsidian]

tolerances

[tawdry tree]

plays a role as well.

[pliant kernel]

Ah, good enough because while there outliers, they are part of manufacturing and now into a product

[tawdry tree]

both the physical tolerances and magnet tolerances.

[dapper obsidian]

but I gotta say considering how wild switch prices are on HE Switches tolerances are damn shite

but well...springs are such a weird thing the way they are manufactured makes crazy tolerances quite hard

imagine the waste

[pliant kernel]

In theory, this is possible to make switch cases out of mu metal and have great tolerences with EDM wire cutting but that's fucking expensive !

[calm pulsar]

do you guys think it’s safe magnet-wise to leave stems all together like this?

I got lazy and want to finish lubing em all later

[dapper obsidian]

forbidden mozzarella bowl

[tawdry tree]

from my understanding, it’ll take a really long time for this to affect the magnet strengths.

[pliant kernel]

Heat will affect magnets which is also bad for the plastic lol

Otherwise, good luck killing these magnets

[dapper obsidian]

what is that even?

Are you painting them?

[tawdry tree]

it’ll probably be about the same as Gateron and TTC’s current pricing 🤣🤣🤣

[calm pulsar]

okay thanks, I will finish lubing my jade raw knight pro maxes later

[tawdry tree]

LMFAO

[calm pulsar]

no just lubing

[pliant kernel]

If they manage to make them using mu metal at this price, I would buy these because mu metal is also expensive lol.

[dapper obsidian]

bruh

I mean...the whole thang?

[tawdry tree]

has a full metal switch ever been tried?

[dapper obsidian]

atleast the keycaps will go on quite easily

[calm pulsar]

no I just put them together lol, im not submering them in lube xd

[tawdry tree]

I know metal plated switches but not full metal ones

[pliant kernel]

Not far as I know

[dapper obsidian]

the sound must be brain damaging

imagine a full metal switch sound

god

[tawdry tree]

the clack would be

[calm pulsar]

with alu keycaps

[dapper obsidian]

and alu plate

plate mounted

[tawdry tree]

full metal

yesyes

[dapper obsidian]

in a metal case

[tawdry tree]

would be sick if someone tried

[calm pulsar]

https://youtu.be/f8mL0_4GeV0

[static tendon]

@loud gull would you happen to also know if there will ever be a gasket mounted variant for the 60HE?

[little glen]

"Magnetic switch" and it‘s just a cast iron switch

[pliant kernel]

Or keyboard that constantly sounds like a M1 Garand ping

[dapper obsidian]

on my search to a full metal switch I found "heavy metal keyboards" got greeted by a bright yellow board

not too heavy metal

[little glen]

There is a product on the way that will let you friction mount the 60

[tawdry tree]

Well, nobody knows yet what mounting the 60HE Pro will have.. 🤔

[little glen]

No gasket pland revealed yet

[dapper obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gif-21785724

[ionic breach]

friction mount probably

aren't they working on that?

[little glen]

Yes

[calm pulsar]

needs metal bars as gaskets

[pliant kernel]

Huh, what else they are working on ?

[dapper obsidian]

springs

surely

[little glen]

I just said that above

[static tendon]

Is the gasket mount on the 80HE stiff? Or does it feel noticably softer than a 60HE would?

[pliant kernel]

As I know from a video, the 60HE module is stiff with all pieces screwed in together

[little glen]

It is quite firm

[ionic breach]

it's stiff

[static tendon]

I see, I feel like due to the hall effect switches, it'll always need to be stiff to prevent accidental presses

[dapper obsidian]

I am actually wondering if the Full Size board will see an upgrade/custom case at some point

[static tendon]

Even with the gasket mount

[dapper obsidian]

gaskets move the pcb and the switches

[calm pulsar]

it doesnt cause accidental presses

[dapper obsidian]

so it should not cause issues

[tawdry tree]

If the same gasket material and design is used in a 60HE, then it’d feel slightly stiffer as a 60% flexes a bit less than 80%

[opal umbra]

Yeah flex is bad for Hall effect switches

[static tendon]

Correct, but from the sounds of it, it doesn't cause those accidental presses due to being a stiff gasket mount

[ionic breach]

softer is usually for typing/custom keyboards

gaming tends to be stiff

[calm pulsar]

how

[opal umbra]

I haven’t gotten a clue that’s just what I’ve heard

Lmao

[static tendon]

Some custom keyboards have an large amount of flex but this may not be achievable on hall effect PCB's

[tawdry tree]

flex is bad if the distance between magnet and sensor is altered.

[calm pulsar]

I mean it's not like your switches move in relation to the pcb when the board flexes, usually your whole assembly moves

[tawdry tree]

it’s not as bad as people make it seem though.

[dapper obsidian]

for that to happen you suerly have to bend that boy

in a unhealthy way

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[calm pulsar]

i'm not getting any actuations when my pcb-plate assembly moves around in my frog mini case, so there must be something really wrong with your build for it to cause accidental presses 😄

[tawdry tree]

in practice, even plateless, flex didn’t cause an issue for me.

[opal umbra]

My wooting module has no flex at all

No matter how hard I press down

[static tendon]

Not exactly, when the plate flexes it causes the PCB to also flex which can cause those accidental key presses. Even with wooting's gasket mounted 80HE, it seems it won't achieve a super flexible design due to those hall effect switches relying on the PCB to actuate

[static tendon]

Same here, stiff feeling board

The stand offs help reduce the flex

[opal umbra]

I just use my custom board for working and stuff and the wooting for gaming only

[static tendon]

You might be able to shave them off but you'll likely experience issues with the way the board functions

[static tendon]

Nice! I main my wooting entirely so this includes productive tasks as well

[calm pulsar]

the switch stem doesnt move in relation to the sensors even when the plate flexes

[opal umbra]

The wooting can be a nice main board

I just already have other boards that feel much better to use

But none of my other boards can compete with the wooting for gaming obviously

[static tendon]

Sounds about right, maybe there is a way to obtain more flex without actutation issues

I like how the salvation case uses those leaf springs, it's a good way to avoid the PCB flexing but maintaining a softer typing feel

[dusk sedge]

Hey should I use the bottom right standoff when installing in the tofu redux with the pc plate?

Will the introduced flex of not using it mess with the actuation curve?

[calm pulsar]

it will not mess with actuation and the sound will be a bit more even on the alphas

[dusk sedge]

Should I go with the stock white screws of the ones that comes with the case and how tight?

When I tighten the screw by the usbc port all the way down it shifts out of alignment is that normal? Is it okay to leave that one slightly untightened?

[calm pulsar]

either work, the case screws might be longer which is good for burger mounting, but when I did my first build I used the white ones

[calm pulsar]

which case you've got?

[dusk sedge]

Tofu 60 redux

[calm pulsar]

I mean it would be best if usb port is aligned perfectly to avoid damaging it with the cable

[dusk sedge]

Yeah I can get it aligned perfectly but the screw just isn’t down all the way

I also have a layer of zip n fit if that matters?