🔧│keyboard_modding

[paper bloom]

Type of method

But u use a clip function

Instead of screws

U use clip

[stone flax]

literally

and some times they use added stab stoppers

to further secure it (prevent stabs coming off from things like keycap removal)

like these things

[paper bloom]

Now it makes sense

[stone flax]

back then people used toothpicks

to make them further secured

but here its plain to see

its secured into the pcb

despite not using screws

[paper bloom]

I c

[nova ivy]

anyone seen any cool transformer key caps anywhere

[stone flax]

hello

[jade storm]

hru

[stone flax]

good wbu

[jagged hazel]

Should I go with the ws dash or geon raws for the 60he?

Looking for something smooth but not a clacky annoying sound

[jade storm]

lmk ow2, boardzycord too

[vague stag]

cought up reading now - so if I do not want to dissasebmle the whole keyboard, I should go for plate mounted stabs - correct?

[paper bloom]

Raw

[stone flax]

LETS GET RAW

[jagged hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-its-raw-raw-gif-12603501

[jagged hazel]

thnx, gonna order those

[calm pulsar]

make sure to order Raw HE, cause there are mechanical raws too

[jagged hazel]

Yup, already have them in my cart

Does anyone know how long they take to ship?

[random hull]

where did u buy from

aliexpress has coupons i just noticed

[jagged hazel]

Going to buy from the geon website

[little glen]

I might order some on ali

Cause kbdfans shop has some other cool shit i might pick up

[amber tangle]

Hey ik this is probably a common question but couldn’t come across clear answer
can i use any keycaps from amazon? or need to be specific ?

[random hull]

ali might be cheaper with a coupon yeah

[little glen]

You can use 95% of keycap sets

[amber tangle]

for 60he*

[amber tangle]

with my luck i’ll get the ones i can’t use ._.

[little glen]

I would not recommend a cheap set from amazon personally but they should work most of the time

[amber tangle]

have u got any reccomendations ? i don’t wanna spend more then 30-40 dollars/euros

[little glen]

I‘d be impressed

[amber tangle]

since i already broke the bank for the keyboard ☹️

[little glen]

For that price? The wooting pbt keycaps

[amber tangle]

i ordered without

keycaps so i could get my own

but like i didn’t know they had to be certain ones

so now i’m in a pickle

[little glen]

"Certain ones" referring to the standard that most keyboards on the market use

[amber tangle]

well you said 95% so there’s still some that don’t work ?

[little glen]

I think it‘s quite difficult to find a set that will not fit

[amber tangle]

i came asking a question if i knew i wouldn’t go out my way to ask….

being a freak wtf😹

my fault wizard,freak ass discord mod

[paper bloom]

👍

[glossy pagoda]

Wiz4rd is a community member entirely unaffiliated with Wooting, going out of their way to answer a question you had. Not sure why this is offensive to you

The compatibility you're looking for is "Cherry MX stems" which is the industry standard that the overwhelming majority of keycaps adhere to

[calm pulsar]

blue name means they preordered 80he lol

[grizzled path]

tbh W could've just said that "get ones with cherry mx stems and they'll work" and not beat around the bush like that

[paper bloom]

We all make mistakes it happens

[stone flax]

Most keycaps would fit

Look for mx stem

[paper bloom]

@stone flax he left the server alrdy

[calm pulsar]

@cold bloom turns out leggera has been selling in korea
https://geonworks.kr/product/예약판매-frog-mini-leggera-케이스-단품/426/

it is out of stock now though

the price is

oh wait maybe it's just a listing that is for a group buy or preorder

but still good news

[glacial wind]

Yeah that’s from the preorder

Jan/feb delivery orders was last month

[stone flax]

i need this set T_T

[gilded isle]

Guys I just want to share my wooting 60he+ and would like to ask for any suggestion or areas to improve.

Mods are in the video.

Hand-lubed by kbdfans (Jade pro) and JMK shopee (TX AP screw-ins)

[untold wigeon]

Swap jade pro for GEON Raw

GMK keycaps

CF plate for Pom

[kind helm]

jade pro and cf plate for that CLACK

[vague stag]

how do you submit a video? I get an error saying its to large and I need to become a Nitro user...please don't say you are a nitro user

[random hull]

can use streamable.com

and post the link

[calm pulsar]

unless this person is obsessed with trying different switched (like me) I'd say switching to raws is not that big of an upgrade from jade pros, esp since they just came out and they spent like 56 bucks on a pack of them

[jade storm]

720p upload

[vague stag]

oh it worked

but not the video itself

[vague stag]

Personally, I would swap for a PC-plate and go for another set of keycaps

https://streamable.com/c72t70 here is mine:

• Hand lubed Geon Raw’s
• Lubed stock stabs
• PC switch plate
• Tofu60 Redux - Orange
• PBTfans BoW
• Stock Wooting EPDM foam
• KBDfans silicon standoff covers

[kind helm]

bow with orange kinda sick

[vague stag]

ty, considering whether I should by new stabs though

[somber roost]

i love the case. nice build 🙂

[random hull]

looks very nice

[kind helm]

thocky boi

[vague stag]

mmmm!

are u using both EPDM and Poron foam in that bad boy?

[kind helm]

cotton at the bottom

had 1 layer tape

[vague stag]

oh, forgot to say - I have tape modded the case as well

to reduce some of the hollowness (not the PCB)

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iRjeTfuns (Edit: btw probably not a good idea to do this if no tape mod. cotton may fk up the pcb)

[stone flax]

tape mod can just as well fuck up a pcb

[kind helm]

true, type of tape matters

[unique jetty]

Nicest set of Black Frosted keycaps to match ghost case?

[honest nacelle]

KBDfans Neon R2

[unique jetty]

They are in IC rn how long do those take?

At least they were last time I looked

[ebon quiver]

neon r2

[ionic breach]

they are?

been in stock for months

[unique jetty]

I thought so it was on a forum or something maybe I’m mistaken on the set

[gilded isle]

Thanks all!

The only available in my country is CF unless I go global, higher shipping fee etc.

I am still exploring with the switches, i am currently targeting jade max also raw he but pros sound more clack which I like but yea open for recos.

What is POM btw? I only see poly, cf, and fr4.

Also i’m looking at GMK Redline for this build hahaha or the Pbtfans Crosshair

[gilded isle]

Try to cut the video around 20secs

[unique jetty]

Oh I’m thinking of the retros

[calm pulsar]

I find it more comfortable to have my mouse on a pad, not on the keyboard

[ionic breach]

#🪛│modding_faq message for POM

[gilded isle]

Oh where do I buy them?

[ebon quiver]

Sound test

[ionic breach]

i am interested in another set similar to the style of red line

[gilded isle]

Evil dolch? Hahaha

[ionic breach]

i think its cooler but its in interest check

[calm pulsar]

nice cream thock clack right there

[ionic breach]

nah

https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-blood-night

[calm pulsar]

but yeah looks nice, ghosted 80he is nice

probably like it the most, cause others seem too chonky to my taste

[ionic breach]

🔥 best sound test

[dusky orchid]

If i use a USB extensión on my 60he im gonna have performance issues?

[gilded isle]

Its nice!

[unique jetty]

Have you seen the new Pulsar Custom mouse thing?

[ebon quiver]

ye, actually wanted to try it, but it was 150 usd for x2h while i got discounted clear black one for 70

[unique jetty]

Yeah it’s expensive but nice to see something new in mouse market. Built out a X2 mini and closed tab when I saw price lol

[knotty iron]

Pulsar custom does it support hotswap

[untold wigeon]

Anyone trying delta force today?

[unique jetty]

Idk tbh

[unique jetty]

I played it in closed beta, overall decent game tbh. Nails the BF genre perfectly imo. Not flawless but if you’re looking for a BF type game it’s pretty fun

Has potential if they iron of some of the issues

[clever wharf]

whats some other good stabilizers other than knight v2?

top 3

[marsh saffron]

I was gonna buy one

But I seen the price

So I'm just buying a beastx max instead for literally the exact same price

[calm pulsar]

stock ones, also had a lot of luck with TX AP, but they are not guaranteed to fit wooting plates

[silk hound]

typeplus yikb stabs

[ebon quiver]

ye it's pretty great imo, especially if you want something with mechanical switches instead of opticals, prebuilt x2h only comes with opticals for example

or if you want some specific color scheme

[tropic urchin]

Is there any good space bar foam recommended or just whatever you can find should work

[quasi hinge]

For anyone that cares, I had issues with the Jade Maxs tolerance in all 160 which rendered them useless

I got the Geon raws, hand lubed and they are perfect

So if you care about small and gentle movements, avoid the Jade Maxs fo now

[tropic urchin]

Raws sound great lubed

[quasi hinge]

They are perfect and a great step forward from the raptors from my 60he+

Geon is really nailing these HE swtiches

I cant speak for the Jades or Jade Pros

[tropic urchin]

I think the Pros are kinda similar to Raw from a sound profile but with slightly worse stem wobble

just the Raws cost less, but it is a little hard to pick up on subtle differences over these tests

[quasi hinge]

It was a huge shame, I wanted to love the Maxs

They sound great

[quasi hinge]

seems like the raws are the most sensible option

[tropic urchin]

It is disappointing to see, it is curious that the problem seems to be a 50/50 split from other Max owners that have their keebs

[chilly mural]

Glory to Geon and all that he touches

[quasi hinge]

then you get to choose 3 starting forces

[quasi hinge]

preach sir/mam

[quasi hinge]

Like I said before, I either am extremely unlucky or they have big QC issues or design fault

not even about the money

i emailed them explaining my issues and zero response

Gateron, you did me well with the smoothies but killed me on the Maxs

[tropic urchin]

Im thinking it might be QC, would be only way to explain the very varied experiences from one batch to another

[tropic urchin]

Post it onto the Jade Max webpage for reviews

[quasi hinge]

done

my space bar doesnt stick anymore either

hat off to Geon

[tropic urchin]

I'm thinking I'll probably pick up Raws as backups in case my Maxes end up not working as intended which would suck, but Im hopeful the Jade Max Ambassador didn't get the bad batch 🙏

[high otter]

Just a question: do Custom Magnetic Switch Springs for Gateron Jade (70g) fit in Geon raws? I have to modify one switch because of the ceramic keycaps space bar.

[tropic urchin]

W

[quasi hinge]

you wont be disappointed

[analog jetty]

what are those?

[quasi hinge]

https://geon.works/products/he-springs-15mm

[tropic urchin]

Geon added Ultra blur on that bag

[quasi hinge]

look like raws

[analog jetty]

nah deltakey co addes that ultrablur

[tropic urchin]

I was like tf why does it look like it sat in the rain 🤣

[high otter]

Actually, I meant something like this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CXPL9ZJV?th=1

[analog jetty]

i am just patiently waiting for my 80he so those beautiful switches can finally find a new and cozy home (the keycaps as well i guess)

[quasi hinge]

no clue, sorry more experienced would need to respond

[tropic urchin]

you'll need to find some other keycaps for the rest of the keys since I believe those Take Controls will only fit the 60% layout so you'll have some keys missing for the 80 layout

[analog jetty]

good thing its not wootings take controls and its a 130+ keycap set

[tropic urchin]

ooooooh

that pic had me fooled for a sec

[analog jetty]

they just look similar

[tropic urchin]

good pickup

[analog jetty]

i honestly would love being able to tell you if they are cross compatible, but i honestly don’t know

[knotty iron]

so if my order says x2, then I have 220+10 pingless springs?

[quasi hinge]

yes

each box contains 110 I think

[knotty iron]

so i ordered 2 boxes of pingless springs correct?

[quasi hinge]

if it says 2x

[knotty iron]

just wanted to double check thanks

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar backups acquired

[chilly mural]

Thank you for your support to the Church of Geon

[tropic urchin]

Gotta be ready in case

They will probably be sitting in my box shrine until the Maxes give me a reason to swap

[chilly mural]

At least raws is finally on your hand

*soon

[spare mauve]

they were in my hands and i gave them to a friend because i liked the jade maxes more

[tropic urchin]

I had to also update my name for accuracy

[chilly mural]

yeah!

also, 16 more days before 80he~

and prop 10 more before it's actually on my hand

[tropic urchin]

its a tough wait

the day I get to retire my Rog Azoth will be a biblical day

[chilly mural]

It's fine, more I think about the 80he, the more I also remember to do a college assignment

Despite haven't started on it yet

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/work-homework-gif-13917841

[calm pulsar]

naisu!

[tropic urchin]

The starting Switch is the Maxes to lose for the time being

[nova ivy]

Anyone seen any bumblee bee or Optimus keys about? Can't find any when I've looked

[stone flax]

enjoy https://cannonkeys.com/products/nicepbt-transformers?

[nova ivy]

Damn they be expensive

[chilly mural]

$99 is not that expensive, plus with permission from hasbro

[stone flax]

yea licensing

and actual good keycaps

rather than higround

[chilly mural]

Genuine transformers keycaps, very noice

[nova ivy]

was hoping more of a face design of the one or other

kind of like this:

[fallen echo]

praise be the express of Ali for it delivers unto me a set of keycaps, nude in lettering and well formed like xda

[nova ivy]

im not really fussed about lettering i know where the keys are 😄

Just want a cool design

[honest wyvern]

what is the diff between jade and jade max?

[coarse ingot]

max

[coarse ingot]

fully transparent housing (better rgb)

[honest wyvern]

so no sound diff

...

[honest wyvern]

also i want to oring mod it, what size oring should i buy

[clever wharf]

They good for wooting 80he?

[tropic urchin]

Jade Max has a deeper/slightly lower pitched sound profile, has improved stem wobble and improved spring rebound. QC currently is a little 50/50 as some people have reported issues with their batches

[honest wyvern]

ahh might wait abit then try, also i find out it hard to buy in uk with out paying 20$ for ship:((

and there is a pro version also

:((

[tropic urchin]

So far mine haven’t had any issues (still waiting for 80HE to arrive), but I probably wouldn’t recommend it for the time being. It’s a 50/50 gamble to see what you get is a little much for the price point

[prime orbit]

raw he still the goats

easy

[tropic urchin]

I have RAWs as my current backup plan, but they are pretty similar to the Jade pro sound profile, but with better tolerances so I’d probably give those a try if you can.

[tropic urchin]

https://youtu.be/6Zza24mKFzY?feature=shared

If you’re getting the 60HE it has the Maxes/Pros/Raws sound tests so pick which one you prefer 🫡

[honest wyvern]

ty

[silk hound]

these and swagkeys v2 is what I would recommend rn

[honest wyvern]

knight is better

no?

[silk hound]

Preference but personally yes

the typeplus is a good alternative since knights v2 can be hard to find at times

[formal ferry]

is the atk68 compatible with gateron jade? also how do i figure out which switch is compatible with a keyboard

[jovial grove]

My 60he+ 🙂

[untold wigeon]

Arctis nova pro?

[jovial grove]

Yes

For now

[untold wigeon]

lol yeah they good

Although I mainly use my DT990 on a K5pro. But don’t tell anyone. People here hate those headphones

[thorn zealot]

oh my days

are we serious

[calm pulsar]

damn I have these and when I switched to senheiser hd560s I never wore these since

need to sell em

[untold wigeon]

Yeah I’m kinda in that same boat.

[calm pulsar]

or keep as travel headphones, but for travelling I got tws buds anyways

[untold wigeon]

I tried them again and they were way too tight and hot.

I’m spoiled with the open backs

[calm pulsar]

yeah thanks to Bigsly I decided to try out open backs and I fell in love instantly

[elfin garnet]

best thing there is

open back ftw

[untold wigeon]

Same. But no thanks to Biggsly

And the Velour!!!! Oh my days!!! I have never felt such comfort and joy

[calm pulsar]

that's elite

[elfin garnet]

I have the same but I swapped to black velour for better aesthetics

[calm pulsar]

not sure why people would particularly hate on DT990, but the fact that they are studio headphones with open back is already good to me

[untold wigeon]

Wait what?!?!

link plz

[elfin garnet]

Taking a pic

Sec

[thorn zealot]

ppl in the audio community (like me) hate the dt990 cuz of the sound

[elfin garnet]

Search for "beyerdynamic EDT 990 VB Ear Pads Velour" on google

[calm pulsar]

sexy

[elfin garnet]

Because my results is showing sites in Norway

[untold wigeon]

Looks so much better

[elfin garnet]

Yeah dont mind the dust tho 😄 Camera makes it look worse lol

[untold wigeon]

Stupid plastic

[elfin garnet]

I bought 3 pairs the last time so I can swap when they get too dirty

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

I think amplified and equalized they are perfectly serviceable. Of course they are not the best.

[elfin garnet]

I agree

[thorn zealot]

My kb almost complete

[calm pulsar]

lekkers?

[thorn zealot]

black jades

ik they sound ass

[calm pulsar]

oh actually thought these were open bottom switches

[thorn zealot]

yeah iphone mic doesnt help

[calm pulsar]

wouldn't say they are that bad, pretty much normal jades

also liking the looks of the keyboard

[thorn zealot]

thanks

nah they not terrible

i just hear the chatter

[tropic urchin]

Dat chirp tho 👀

Iykyk

[tawdry tree]

Yes. Not for the 60HE+ though because they don’t fit well.

[tawdry tree]

ATK68 is only compatible with (most) 37 series switches. Jade Mini Es would probably work.

[umbral ridge]

any new he switches have came out compatible with wooting? I know about the jade pro and max and pls don't tag me about raws I have them in delivery rn 😭

[calm pulsar]

there will be some new switches from swagkeys

but why worry if you havent tried your raws yet 😄

[umbral ridge]

oh not worrying just curious to see whats new

[thorn zealot]

raws raws rawsraws

[viscid gulch]

are there any rumours or anything in the switch community of a new switch? 😮

im waiting for a upgrade from my normal jades and the geon raw he doesn't seem like a switch worth it for me

[viscid gulch]

oh shit

hopefully they will be nice

[calm pulsar]

but raw he are definitely an upgrade from normal jades

[viscid gulch]

i know but it feels like it isin't worth the money

so im waiting for another upgrade so i can get more bang out of my bucks 😄

[calm pulsar]

well these new from swagkeys won't be either then, there is less and less room to improve unless new HE keyboards come out that are structured differently and allow MX-like switches

[viscid gulch]

really?

i thought HE switches are basically in the beginning of its growth cycle

[calm pulsar]

there are also some rubber dome switches coming, which will be tactile, but not sure they are going to sound great

[viscid gulch]

that we would get upgrades every 6 months of something

[umbral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-box-fight-hit-gif-17241822

[viscid gulch]

i really would love tactiles

im a sucker for those

i know im horrible

but

yeah

[calm pulsar]

well upgrades are needed to pcbs as well, cause there is a limited amount of stuff you can do to existing HE switches

[viscid gulch]

gotcha

[calm pulsar]

if one day we are able to get HE switches that are completely like MX in structure, this will be a huge upgrade to the whole sound and feel experience

[viscid gulch]

that i know

that's why i thought upgrades would be coming out every month because we aren't at the mx level

6months*

every month would be very optimistic xd

[calm pulsar]

I think upgrades in terms of tolerances are already here (jade pros/geon raw he), but I'd love to see what new materials can be used for HE switches, cause I like how different jade maxes sound

[viscid gulch]

went from a shitty ducky with mx brown switches to a modded 60he and god those mx switches are trash

tried lekkers v1's from a friend and hated them so went all in modding my keyboard to get the best experience

went abit overkill but worth every penny

[calm pulsar]

yeah tbh I disliked my v1 lekkers even before first jades came out

[viscid gulch]

was scared that i would like my mx browns more then my wooting xd

yeah lekkers v1 actually

suck

just doesnt feel or sound good

and stem wobble and everything

[calm pulsar]

my current build with geon raws and fr4 plate is probably my best keyboard build ever, so I'm also excited for new stuff to come out

I saw

[viscid gulch]

nooooooo

[ionic breach]

[viscid gulch]

Mine is not even close to yours but i like it 😄

[analog jetty]

can i take a normal non he switch and glue a magnet onto the stem and make an he switch ?

[viscid gulch]

no

i mean calibrations and everything would just not be right and software wise also no?

or

[calm pulsar]

seems good
switches with tighter tolerances would sound a bit cleaner than normal jades in here

[viscid gulch]

yep

[calm pulsar]

it will have to be the right magnet, and MX switches have extra pins that will be in the way on wooting pcb

[analog jetty]

i wondered anyways, how come that other he switches work on the wooting, i am pretty sure they all have different magnet strength

[viscid gulch]

@calm pulsar you are making me want to buy some geon raw he xd

[calm pulsar]

they are creme de la creme as of now

[viscid gulch]

''as of now'' that's what i fear

with my luck when i buy them the next big thing drops

xd

[calm pulsar]

well I would wait to see what these rubber domes and new HE switches from swagkeys are about

if they arent as good then raws remain king, I would guess

[analog jetty]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[viscid gulch]

@calm pulsar also big question I've got the foam sandwhich pad rn but i still have the PET one aswell should i use that one

[analog jetty]

they are all stated as different magnetic fluxes so i wonder how the wooting works with them out of the box

[calm pulsar]

they do but they still conform to a certain magnet size and overall switch structure, and most of them manufacture the switches to be compatible with wooting cause wooting is very popular

[viscid gulch]

dont remember if it was called PET but the rubbery one

im to lazy to compare

[calm pulsar]

hmm I personally didnt like the silicone sandiwch pad, but you might just try it out and see for yourself

it is supposed to allow for brighter sound

[viscid gulch]

gotcha

[calm pulsar]

which is why I like foam better, cause it mutes very high frequencies

but its nice to have options to tailor the sound

[viscid gulch]

yeah sounds like ill stick with the foam aswell

yep

[analog jetty]

okey, i was just suprised because my geon raw he just work out of the box, with different travel and different magnet strength perfectly, thanks for the reply

[calm pulsar]

another thing to mention is that the pcb is able to calibrate to slightly different magnet strengths, so it is a smoother experience when you replace the switches

there have been some that had issues, but I personally never used any of them

[analog jetty]

when i replaced my lekker switches with geon raw he switches i was suprised that 0.1mm was actually 0.1mm and when i set it to 4.0mm (while the geon only have a travel of 3.4mm) it still just gave an input at bottoming out

and they already said that they will add custom travel distances into wootility, so that won’t be a problem either way

[calm pulsar]

yeah the thing is, when you change to a shorter travel switch, the lowest actuation point in wootility (4.0) becomes 3.4 in reality, so think of it more as a percentage

they will update the software soon where you will be able to select what switch you have and change the numbers in the interface

yeah I wrote my message without reading the last from you 😄

[analog jetty]

i know, i already figured that one out, i once had a drunkdeer and it states to NEVER replace the switches with other ones, sadly i don’t have that keyboard anymore to test, i would like to see if its really that bad to switch out the switches on the drunkdeer

well compared to the 60he i didn’t like the drunkdeer, which is why i returned it

[calm pulsar]

they need a specific type of switch anyways, so wooting compatible ones will likely not even be able to properly installed or have big issues

drunkeer switch has a big pin that goes through the pcb, unlike on wooting

where the whole switch is above pcb

[analog jetty]

ohhh, alright, i just wanted to see how it would behave with other switches, but yeah that could be a problem

[kind helm]

do you think wooting shouldve had put pin that goes through the pcb. i feel like if they have pin then the plate doesn't have to be screw into the pcb anymore

[calm pulsar]

yeah that would probably be the first step into fully MX-like structure

[kind helm]

the precision is not gonna be "perfect" in terms of the actuation but the typing feel and sound would be more customizable

[calm pulsar]

but the position of the sensor has to be moved either downwards or to the side

[analog jetty]

i use the wooting for analoge input as well and i see the argument for it, but also i feel like my analoge input wouldn’t be as precise as it is now

[kind helm]

yea i dont think it would be "ideal" but it would be nice to have that option to say, if i want precision, i can use screw, or i can go wild with no screw or even no plate

[calm pulsar]

super glue the 2 pins to the pcb and you'll be able to have no plate screws or no plate at all

[kind helm]

the pcb doesn't have holes for the pins, i think?

wait you meant the 2 plastic pins

hell nah, i dont have that kind of money to experiment with 130 dollars pcb

[analog jetty]

why not, glueing it permanently onto the pcb sounds like fun

[kind helm]

it would be like that $40 modding video keybored did. man is a actual magician. but regular mx pcb and cheap switches in his case.

[calm pulsar]

im joking but would've been cool if there was some sort of locking mechanism 😄

[kind helm]

wait no actually its this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mD6X2xL4qs

3m vhb tape with wooting?

[whole obsidian]

Hello im new in modding community do i have everything that i need ?

[kind helm]

pc plate from wooting and geon raw would be better i feel like if you are starting out. i think jade with carbon plate is a acquired taste

also raw is very popular and cheaper, making it a safer choice

:3 just personal opinion

[whole obsidian]

but all my stuff can work together?

[kind helm]

yes

[whole obsidian]

what does the carbon fiber plate change?

[whole obsidian]

nice!

[kind helm]

different plate material has different sound pitch, generally softer material would have a lower pitch

[whole obsidian]

so carbon plate will make a thocky sound ?

[kind helm]

carbon fiber plate is relatively higher pitch and stiffer

CLACK

[whole obsidian]

okk so for a thocky sound what do i need?

[kind helm]

if you like lower pitch i think go with raw and pc plate

[ionic breach]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[whole obsidian]

thx english is not my first language so i don't understand some stuff

[ionic breach]

then ill say go for a pc plate

[ionic breach]

just look at the rankings if you dont wanna read

softest -> thockier

[kind helm]

brass is a bit different i think, denser material also lower the pitch, brass plate is definitely lower pitch than alu. but i dont know if there even is a brass plate for wooting rn

[ionic breach]

ya but he wants the lower end anyways

[whole obsidian]

i really like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CorB0q9QImw

i love this kind of sounds ngl

[ionic breach]

I'm too lazy to find the sound ranking

[kind helm]

same xD, ts in one of keybored's video

[whole obsidian]

but with a creamy/thocky sound i feel like my keyboarrd would be slower idk why

[ionic breach]

nah

[kind helm]

this is more somewhere in the middle. you can play with around with different setup of foams and mods to see what works well. two setup i did so far one is more low pitch(thock) one is more high pitch(clack)

[calm pulsar]

module comes with a softer PC plate btw

just fyi

you could get a stiiffer plate to compare and see what you like

[whole obsidian]

so to make my keyboard sound like that what would i need to buy?

[calm pulsar]

i'd say this needs a harder plate like fr4

[kind helm]

not sure, the build shown in the video is not a HE keyboard, so you can't just directly copy

[whole obsidian]

sadddd

[kind helm]

i was hesitant to say that xD, dont want bro spending way too much money in the beginning

[whole obsidian]

what's all of that?

[tidal python]

I had ktt kang whites but no aluminum case

[kind helm]

foam you can place beneath and on top of the pcb to filter out certain range of sounds

[fallen echo]

which geon RAWs did you choose?

[calm pulsar]

yeah too many people watch the viral videos with titles like "creamiest thockiest keyboard ever????" and expect that from a wooting 😄

but I think raws with fr4/cf will sound closer to this

[calm pulsar]

geon raw he

or wdym

[tidal python]

springs?

idk

[whole obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=511O9X1C1Zo at the end of this vid what's that kind of sound thocky/CLACKY?

[tidal python]

springs only options for Geon raw

[kind helm]

nah this is just a huge rabbit hole. personally as long as the switches are not wobbling and smooth, the stabilizer is well made and lubed. everything on top of that are just preference

[calm pulsar]

I have geon pingless HE springs in there, but the stock ones that are lubed will sound just fine
as for weight, it is a personal preference, mine are 62.5g

[fallen echo]

apologies. I meant the bottom force, so springs yeah

[kind helm]

i never thought i enjoy foamless before i got salvation :3

[calm pulsar]

@fallen echo here

[tidal python]

I’m considering of lubing my geon raws

[calm pulsar]

they are very nice stock, I'd say the springs are worth lubing

[whole obsidian]

immm so losttttt i also like this sound... to get this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5kbS0hRQw all of this is perfect ?

[calm pulsar]

otherwise I haven't lubed my raws yet apart from changing the springs

[kind helm]

are the pingless spring actually pingless, me from cs background looking at that feels like voodoo magic s44t.

[calm pulsar]

they are supposed to be made out of a material that is not as noisy as usual metals

tbh I didnt know mine were pingless cause I ordered them from korean store, and I don't know korean language 😄

[tidal python]

geon raw he on 80he zinc

I’ll lube some switches to see how it’ll do

[kind helm]

xD

[whole obsidian]

?

[kind helm]

you can copy that if you like the sound yea

[whole obsidian]

nice!

i'll do that

[kind helm]

yea honestly the easiest way to go when you are just getting into the hobby you can just look at what people have done and see if you like it then just copy

[whole obsidian]

okay nice!

[kind helm]

btw the plate hes using in the < NEW Magnetic Jade PRO Switch Sound Test (Wooting 60HE) > video is fr4

[whole obsidian]

thx ur the goat

but im still lost idk what i prefer tbh

[ionic breach]

tho ill say

[whole obsidian]

creamy is between thocky and clacky?

[kind helm]

unless i am going crazy someone confirm me on this

[ionic breach]

the keycaps just buy what you want

[calm pulsar]

it is fr4 from kbdfans

most fr4 are black with gold edges

[whole obsidian]

there is not between creamy and clacky ?

[calm pulsar]

but I had a full black one

[ionic breach]

[kind helm]

every switch/ setup make slightly different sound, you dont just have thock, cream, and clack

[calm pulsar]

these are mostly buzzwords anyway lol

[kind helm]

yeeee

[whole obsidian]

ahhh

i've decided i want it to sound like the first one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjJT1Un2pIg

what do i need ? (btw still need the keyboard to be a beast for gaming! idk if it chaanges something))

[ionic breach]

any wooting is a beast for gaming dw

[whole obsidian]

niceee

[ionic breach]

no matter how you mod it

[kind helm]

what if i go plate less and just let the switches chill on top of the pcb with nothing holding it

[ionic breach]

[calm pulsar]

just take out your pcb, put switches on it and see for yourself (your switches will fly around)

[calm pulsar]

the sole force of springs topping out will probably remove the switch from the pcb

[kind helm]

i think so

[whole obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjJT1Un2pIg
which switches plates mods anything yall can recommend me

for the first one*

[ionic breach]

that list you have

but raw he?

[calm pulsar]

bro changed his mind 15 times already 😂

[whole obsidian]

20 haha

[whole obsidian]

raw = not hand lubbed?

[calm pulsar]

geon raw he, name of a switch

[whole obsidian]

oh shit im dumb asf sorry haha

[calm pulsar]

all good

[kind helm]

lucky for you the switches companies made nowadays doesn't really need hand lube

[whole obsidian]

yeah thank god

what do i need ?

i want as fast as possible for gaming

[calm pulsar]

spring weight doesnt change actuation speed

its how much force you need to bottom out on a switch

[kind helm]

less is lighter to type on, more generally gives a smoother return

[whole obsidian]

the thing is that on this video it's a raw he review its not the same sound as the other vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmssZ6hh5ds

[kind helm]

different mic

[calm pulsar]

you can't trust recordings completely

[kind helm]

some monsters don't use a desk mat too

[calm pulsar]

its just an idea of how it might sound

[kind helm]

:3

[whole obsidian]

but for me its seems really different

[marsh saffron]

[kind helm]

the setup in different video can also be different, you can just focus on the difference between different switches by the same youtuber

[marsh saffron]

Mic is also partially tucked behind the monitors

My mic quality is absolute dogshit

[kind helm]

https://keebmat.com/products/keebmat get one of those :3

[marsh saffron]

I don't want to have to put my mousepad on top of another pad though

[kind helm]

its clean though i like it, 4 monitors, man playing in the security office

[marsh saffron]

Oh wait

Those are tiny

[kind helm]

yea just the size of the keeb

[marsh saffron]

I usually use my artisan zero as a keyboard mat tbh

But I've been using the pad again since I started playing val

[kind helm]

flex on people who can't get the artisan

[marsh saffron]

I was hard dedicated to the glass pad

My zero sat un-used for 1.5 years

So I started using it as a keyboard mat

[stone flax]

fake

[kind helm]

i thought about trying out glass pad but they are crazy expensive + the goats i look at don't even use them (mattyow, viscose), in my mind i am like if they can hit the high score with cloth pad then i can too

[cedar gate]

Never lubed my stabs before if I want too can I just get a krytox syringe and shove some in or do I have to use the dialectic grease and krytox and tune them

[marsh saffron]

Tbf Matty is schizo

He has 3 different zeros he uses that are all at different stages of wear

[stone flax]

depends

[kind helm]

its better to use thicker lube on the wire. but the amount doesn't matter that much, if you put too much then you just spam the key a couple times it evens out

[marsh saffron]

And he keeps his gpx (before swapping to op18k) plugged in because he prefers the resistance

[kind helm]

op1 8k is goated

[marsh saffron]

Yeah I'm not surprised Matty swapped to it

[kind helm]

upgraded from first version of super light, cheaper and better

[marsh saffron]

Im going beastx max though, won't ever go wired again

[celest parrot]

Guys did sno posted his sound test yet?

[calm pulsar]

little foam vs no foam comparison

[celest parrot]

You need more foam

[ionic breach]

na

[celest parrot]

I bought like 7 different types of foam for my 80he

[celest parrot]

Let him cook

[ionic breach]

schizo behaviour

foam is foam

[calm pulsar]

on 80he you cant take out the silicon pad so different foams will probably have less of an effect I think

[stone flax]

schizo

[celest parrot]

Trail and error guys

[stone flax]

i dont want the trail

😭

[calm pulsar]

updated firmware on venom60he, now I can enable socd

still not seeing how to enable capslock led😭

[stone flax]

[ionic breach]

🔥

[stone flax]

oh arc

question

wait arc

whats the link u used for the 7u frog plate

[calm pulsar]

pausechamp

let me find it

[stone flax]

and it came with standoff points right

[stone flax]

bet ty

[whole obsidian]

Why ? I really wanna reproduce that

How can u do it for 100% accuracy

[calm pulsar]

https://smartstore.naver.com/geonlab/products/10810509637

[stone flax]

because sound tests are a lie and it is physically impossible to reproduce sound from a video

If u want 100% accuracy

[calm pulsar]

@stone flax make sure to select correct specs when ordering

[stone flax]

Make the same build

In the same room

In the same mic

In the same youtube video

On the same headphones

On the same ears

Like tf

😭

[celest parrot]

With the same table and desk mat

Hahaha

[stone flax]

yeah

[whole obsidian]

Yeah…

[calm pulsar]

the standoffs are mounted on the pcb actually

[stone flax]

Stop building for sound from youtube videos

[whole obsidian]

Okay I’ll drop

Stop

[celest parrot]

Just don't bother with sound test try all different variations and see what you like

[whole obsidian]

I just want a good creamy sound for my keyboard but idk what do i need b

[stone flax]

i just meant like does it come with em in general https://geon.works/cdn/shop/products/batch__DSC4758.jpg?v=1709860438&width=1445

Regular frog mini plates didnt

but on HE its badly needed

and ive only found 6.25u version on taobao

for a bit

[calm pulsar]

nah they come in a plastic bag, with another little plastic bag attached, that contains only mounting screws, which you use to attach the plate to pcb

[stone flax]

creamy is a worthless descriptor

it doesnt correlate to anything when a term is as subjective yet charged as that

[stone flax]

neato

[calm pulsar]

damn should I rebuild with alu plate while took out my pcb to update firmware...

or am I lazy

[stone flax]

oh ya :>

[whole obsidian]

So what I need to find for y’all to help me ?

[stone flax]

actually try and find out what factors go into the sound you think you want… and not just refer to frankly bullshit edited youtube videos that are in no way a real representation of sound

[whole obsidian]

That seems hard for someone new ngl

[stone flax]

better this way that try and copy a youtube video then coming out sorely dissapointed it sounds nothing like that in real life

[kind helm]

i mean... you kinda want things to be perfect to the way you want on the first try :3

[calm pulsar]

well it's not like you can do one build and that's it

all the components are interchangable

[stone flax]

bc its largely fruitless, theory crafting is fun but a bad endeavor to start off

[kind helm]

so that is supposed to be hard

[stone flax]

Just build something then adjust

[calm pulsar]

yeah

[stone flax]

If your first build is something u end up 100% content with

Genuinely buy a lottery ticket

[kind helm]

me content with all my builds until i see something new and fun to try

[calm pulsar]

same

[kind helm]

i went through all the keybored video about material to see what kind of material is good for the kind of sound i want, then i just build it

[whole obsidian]

Yeah that’s actually true I’ll buy 2 different switches jade and the lekker l60v2

[stone flax]

Nuhuh

get yoself raws

[whole obsidian]

Why

[stone flax]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-its-raw-raw-gif-12603501

[whole obsidian]

Okay sir

[kind helm]

XD

[whole obsidian]

So no lekker switch?

[stone flax]

do u like openbottoms?

[kind helm]

the original jade and the lekker are both kinda bad in my personal opinion, i never tried the v2 though

[whole obsidian]

Tf is that

[stone flax]

lekker

[kind helm]

the bottom of the switch is open, which mutes the sound of the switch a bit (correct me if my peanut brain are not remembering things right)

[whole obsidian]

Idk if I like it never tried it

[whole obsidian]

Nah so I don’t need it

It’s only cause 60 switches for 20€ is cheap

[stone flax]

what switch do u currently have

[kind helm]

hes planning to build it, dont think he has anything just yet

[stone flax]

i mean is he on any keyboard rn

[whole obsidian]

Nothing

[stone flax]

u dont own a keyboard?

[calm pulsar]

open bottom is empty and soulless to me im sorry😭

[stone flax]

it is

[calm pulsar]

I like the pronounced bottom out feel

[whole obsidian]

I have a keymove snowfox with some red cherry switches

[stone flax]

ok so literally textboox traditional

Ur looking at like

60-63g bottom out linear

Do you like the weight of it?

[calm pulsar]

so 60g raws

[stone flax]

[ionic breach]

50g raws

[stone flax]

….

[whole obsidian]

Why tf I have leafes inside

[ionic breach]

[stone flax]

those arent cherry reds

[whole obsidian]

Where this shit come from

[stone flax]

😭

[calm pulsar]

nuh uh, 62.5g pingless spring raws

[stone flax]

Thats dead skin…

[whole obsidian]

I don’t remember what I’ve put

[whole obsidian]

Nah it’s not I swear

[calm pulsar]

lmao

[ionic breach]

nah that is ngl

[whole obsidian]

Yeah maybe it is just lying ykyk

[ionic breach]

there's hair

so that's probably dead scalp

[whole obsidian]

Dogs hair 🤓

But what switches are they?

[stone flax]

you mean you dont know?

[whole obsidian]

Yeah I don’t remember

NM

[stone flax]

my (most likely wrong) guess from the 2 seconds of seeing it is ktt strawberry

i really dont wanna look at it again tho

[stone flax]

oh

[whole obsidian]

They are good but a lil strong to push ngl

[stone flax]

more normal seitch

[kind helm]

ah akko stuff is not bad

[whole obsidian]

I really want something different

[kind helm]

43g

[stone flax]

55g bottom out with 5grams of variance at 3.5mm

Get geon raw he 50g

[whole obsidian]

Raw he switches are a good change

[ionic breach]

that's actuation

[stone flax]

Its 55g bottom

[whole obsidian]

I’ll go for it then Ty

[kind helm]

55g

[ionic breach]

another one bites the dust

[kind helm]

bottom out

ye

[stone flax]

Lets get RAW!

[whole obsidian]

So I need raw he what’s next?

Any plate ?

[calm pulsar]

where you from? cause it looked like 50g are out of stock on geon's website?

[whole obsidian]

France

[calm pulsar]

might consider aliexpress (kbdfans officlal store) or direct from kbdfans
also there are some EU vendors that sell geon raws but I don't remember

[stone flax]

Deltakey is france based

[whole obsidian]

I’ve bought a lot on Ali to make a better setup changed my gpro super light for scyrox v8 idk if it’s good

[stone flax]

https://deltakeyco.com/products/geon-raw-he-switch

[whole obsidian]

I’ll check Ty

[stone flax]

@whole obsidian

What the

Sold out

[whole obsidian]

Sold out tho

[stone flax]

switchy is sad

[whole obsidian]

Sold means it’s good

So I’ll try to find them in stock

[stone flax]

https://prototypist.net/products/in-stock-geon-he-raw-switches-10-pack

Try prototypist?

Another EU vendor

[whole obsidian]

From England tho gonna get some taxes but np

How much switches do I even need 70?

BROOO this is only 23 pounds ??? Why is it this cheap compared to jade switches that’s a good point

[stone flax]

ansi takes 61

Get more than 61

[stone flax]

my glorious king geon and jae have nice margins

[calm pulsar]

cause geon is the goat

[kind helm]

gateron is not doing so hot

personally think over priced

[robust siren]

All hail lord Geon!

[stone flax]

lmk when alu build happens 0_0

And do sound tests w both?

xd

i might buy venom this week

[whole obsidian]

Nice I’ll get them

But the case I want is oos on all the website idk where to buy it

[calm pulsar]

I will do a proper video with both, but postponed it for now cause im on my shift

[whole obsidian]

I really want the tofu60 redux meteorite grey

[stone flax]

🙏

[calm pulsar]

btw have you ever used rakka pcbs? I want to enable the capslock led but there's nothing on the driver page😭

[stone flax]

preorderable on kbdfans

[calm pulsar]

maybe you know how to do that

[stone flax]

nope :p

[calm pulsar]

ight

[stone flax]

If it is a feature u can ask in geons server

[calm pulsar]

geon discord aint replying, and I don't know korean lol

[stone flax]

Oh

[calm pulsar]

well its not released internationally so ppl dont have it

when I posted my build ppl asked where I got the venom 😄

[stone flax]

hehehe

ill probably taobao it

geon went get off his fat ass

and make international go live

[calm pulsar]

you aiming for tsangan?

[stone flax]

🥱

[stone flax]

forsure

I just need a tb link for the tsangan plate

[whole obsidian]

But do you know how much time does it takes ?

I don’t wanna wait like 5 months

[stone flax]

idk thats a question to ask kbdfans

[calm pulsar]

maybe there are some mail forwarding services available in the us? so you can get like everything from one place and pay a commission for delivery

thought not sure how much would be the commission

[stone flax]

yea

imma just do superbuy

just have trouble finding tb link for it

gr

or literally any

Thing

[calm pulsar]

so it works through china? maybe you could just order from korea?

[stone flax]

7u frog mini plate with traymount points

[stone flax]

cant do korea

[stone flax]

i mean if im getting pcb there might as well

[calm pulsar]

ah k

[stone flax]

Cause these are the venom plate people be getting

[calm pulsar]

this seems like no split backspace

mine is different

[stone flax]

ya

[whole obsidian]

1-2 weeks for the new batch

So it’s good not that long

Ok so I have tofu60 redux case, with the brass thing to make it heavier, raw he switches and the Wooting module what else do I need ?

[stone flax]

keycaps

and lube

for stabs

preferably

[whole obsidian]

Got the key caps

[stone flax]

show

kitting

[whole obsidian]

Yeah sure lemme find them

[cedar gate]

Tape for tapemod and something for mounting is ideal but not necessary

[whole obsidian]

Which kind of tape I’ve forgot to ask

[stone flax]

😭

ideal is brazy

[whole obsidian]

I can cancel if it’s bad

[calm pulsar]

my fav material for tape mod is air

[whole obsidian]

This is the case

[cedar gate]

Just any painters tape or blue tape anything paper back

[whole obsidian]

Okay ! I’ll go buy some

[stone flax]

why do u buy sidelit keycaps

For northfacing led’s

[whole obsidian]

Idk those it changes something ?

[stone flax]

if they are shinethrough ur not gonna be seeing the light as well

[whole obsidian]

I’ll still see rgb around the keys no ?

[stone flax]

ig so

better budget keycaps out there tho

this looks real sussy but if u like it go ahead

[whole obsidian]

I just looked for simple keycaps

[stone flax]

aifei wob 🤑

[cedar gate]

Yeah those kind of suck

Whats your budget

[cedar gate]

You probably got a roll of this kicking around

[whole obsidian]

Unlimited

Jk like 60€ maybe ?

Would love to buy the Finn one but idk if it’s gonna fit well with a black/grey teemed keyboard

[kind helm]

where

[stone flax]

wdym where

[cedar gate]

If you don't mind pushing it a few bucks something from pbtfans is awesome

[stone flax]

😭

Worlds numbah 1 pbtfans shill

[whole obsidian]

I can I can

[cedar gate]

Plain WOB or something special

[stone flax]

Pbtfans dont got the best wob

[cedar gate]

PBTFANS ON TOP

[stone flax]

nuhuh

get keykobo

Its so nice

God

[cedar gate]

GMK for sure doesnt

[calm pulsar]

people be recommending what they have lol

[stone flax]

how many gmk sets u own

[whole obsidian]

The fact is I really like the grey and black ones like the gradent thingy

[calm pulsar]

rather, saying it's the best

[whole obsidian]

Looks cool

[cedar gate]

Your joking right?

[stone flax]

?

[cedar gate]

Used to have one

[stone flax]

I take keykobo quality over pbtfans

[cedar gate]

🤣🤣🤣

[stone flax]

Any day of the week

Lmao

[kind helm]

pbtfan is on the expensive side

[whole obsidian]

I dont want a plainnnn black colored keycap for all the keyboard

[cedar gate]

Keykobo is more

[kind helm]

wait yea also 90

[cedar gate]

Pbtfans crosshair is awesome if that's your thing

Tripleshot ultra high quality

Legends won't fade in this lifetime or the next

[calm pulsar]

they wont fade on any double shot lol

[whole obsidian]

That’s pretty

Are they good tho?

[whole obsidian]

Saw them but I want something different

[stone flax]

😭😭

I love my pbtfans

[cedar gate]

Ik

[stone flax]

I remember when they painted over the lack of infill

On their new batches

Come on man

U can say pbtfans is cool

[cedar gate]

Eh I prefer BOG

[stone flax]

But u can genuinely cant say theyre high quality for the price

😂

[whole obsidian]

What is BOG,

[stone flax]

black on gray

[stone flax]

@whole obsidian

[cedar gate]

You definitely modded the stems

[stone flax]

????

💀

[calm pulsar]

huh

[stone flax]

idk

guy schizoing pbtfans isnt tippy top quality wise (which everyone already knew)

lmao

[cedar gate]

Honestly they are pricey but imo well worth it you pay for the best

[whole obsidian]

What’s those keycaps they destroyed themselves lol

[calm pulsar]

yeah but like the guy can decide on the color scheme on his own

[stone flax]

😂

[whole obsidian]

Which ones for this case ?

[stone flax]

The best

[cedar gate]

Ik but may as well look at all the options bog fits his case better anyway

[stone flax]

I dont see keykobo or a nice 1.7mm dyesub set doing this shit for 80 dollars

[whole obsidian]

It’s pbtfans keycaps ?

[stone flax]

💀

[calm pulsar]

I usually search for builds with the set that I'm considering and trying to gauge whether it's gonna look good with my case

[cedar gate]

Like that?

Would look pretty good with your case

[kind helm]

personally a fan of nicepbt, 65 dollars decent options, and just for the one set i got the quality is good

[cedar gate]

Npbt is cool actually

[stone flax]

thick

[cedar gate]

Imo not as good as pbtfans but it's cheaper

[stone flax]

Sthick

[calm pulsar]

bog is out of stock also

[stone flax]

😭

i take thick dyesub over cracking stems in 2024

but go off king

[whole obsidian]

They look pretty but I prefer having two shades of grey

[cedar gate]

Oh lol

[stone flax]

Kkb col

[whole obsidian]

W or L?

[cedar gate]

I'm sure they'll restock soon bog is one of their biggest sets

[calm pulsar]

its been out of stock for many months now

[cedar gate]

Fr? That sucks BOG is one of my favorite sets

[whole obsidian]

Which one fits better the case ,

[solemn cloud]

I was on the waiting list for a few months. I just gave up and preordered GMK instead lmao

[calm pulsar]

these are insanely different on quality and price, but my vote is keykobo

[stone flax]

Fr

[untold wigeon]

Charge your phone lol

[whole obsidian]

so i cancel my aliexpress order ?

[whole obsidian]

ahhaha

had to use my phone my whole city had no internet for like 2 hours

[calm pulsar]

its your decision, I'd say just have more patience and research the market, decide on what you want and then order

[whole obsidian]

yup that's true

do you think this keycap can match with one of the two keycaps sets?

orr would it be really weird?

[stone flax]

kkb legends are nice

[kind helm]

yea try to get something that has decent quality too, cause once you find a imperfection on the keycap, you can't unsee it :3

[whole obsidian]

so pretty ong

[stone flax]

I vote for kkb

[whole obsidian]

but doing a grey/black now

[calm pulsar]

yeah that's crisp, close to gmk

[stone flax]

Their shottings actually pretty similar

[cedar gate]

Me on 2%💀

[calm pulsar]

they seem to have exactly gmk's font and lettering too

[calm pulsar]

ohh that's respectable

[cedar gate]

The reason I hate gmk is because In a little while it becomes a shiny oily mess

[stone flax]

skill issue

shine is love

[kind helm]

$49 dollars on cannon keys, clearance sale no refunds

:3

[stone flax]

Nicee

[calm pulsar]

one day pbtfans shines as well

[cedar gate]

Idk ik I sound like a broken record but I prefer the legends on my crosshair

[cedar gate]

Yeah but it takes A LOT longet

[stone flax]

Broken for sure

[whole obsidian]

w combo??

[cedar gate]

Which is PBTFANS

[stone flax]

W but try to find where that finn keycap came from

[solemn cloud]

I have nothing against kbdfans. I have Tiger Lite as my first custom build but I can’t really vouch for the keycaps as hard as you do tho lmao

[whole obsidian]

yeah cause 40e is expensive as hell

idk where to searcch ngl

[cedar gate]

Yeah I bought a few sets (one gmk a npbt a long time ago and pbtfans) and I just find the pbt quality of pbtfans to be unbeatable

[stone flax]

💀

[cedar gate]

I almost typed unbearable that would have made me look dumb lol

[stone flax]

freudian slip

[cedar gate]

Dude why you all up on me for liking a brand you dont?

[stone flax]

Cause u cant just deny the faults with it as blind hate

Even xray had a shit ton of qc problems in batches

[cedar gate]

I ain't judging you for preferring keybobo

[stone flax]

And still face problems that shouldnt be in 2024

[whole obsidian]

W

[stone flax]

yay :>

[tawdry tree]

I loveee some paint in my keycaps 🥰🥰

[stone flax]

💀genuinely

[whole obsidian]

i'll make a new list of what i need lol

[stone flax]

Idk how he tries ignoring that

[tawdry tree]

I have no words for the paint honestly

it was so not needed

[whole obsidian]

also just need one R key lol

from isaac

[stone flax]

:0

[whole obsidian]

w

[cedar gate]

What faults i have purchased 2 pbtfans sets and have absolutely zero complaints

[stone flax]

If what you got from this was that since u didnt have problems urself then there are no problems then there truly isnt saving you

💀

[cedar gate]

I even broke keycaps out of my own negligence and they sent me new ones free (I only paid shipping)

[whole obsidian]

the good thing bout keycaps its that they are cheap so i can get even 2 different pairss

[ionic breach]

I like kbdfans tho lmao

I know their customer support is ass

[stone flax]

eh

[ionic breach]

still like them

[stone flax]

Cs sucks

[ionic breach]

ik

[stone flax]

There are better vendors

[ionic breach]

probably

[kind helm]

25 dollars shipping

[ionic breach]

they have good freedom in design tho

[cedar gate]

Maybe you just got a bad batch pbtfans reimbursed me when it wasn't even their fault I'm sure they'd do the same for you

[ionic breach]

like the xrays could not happen without kbdfans

[whole obsidian]

wait nm 90$???

[ionic breach]

[cedar gate]

Fr they're super awesome to me

[stone flax]

Vendors reimburse for faults of a manufacturer

[calm pulsar]

saying pbtfans has unbeatable quality is a bit of a stretch I'd say

double shot isnt as good on gmk or keykobo, but they have a big amount of designs I guess and their trays are pretty nice too

also pbtfans alphas are weird, but that's my opinion

[ionic breach]

welcome to keyboards

[stone flax]

Not the other way around