🔧│keyboard_modding

[glacial wind]

we have formed a group an enthusiasts who praise the maker of the switches in a joyful and happy manner

sometimes we sing songs

[gusty prawn]

lmaoo

i hope wooting is gonna be a good investment

80he

[glacial wind]

no cult here. just some happy song singers

[lunar sand]

Hoping that a 8k comes our way 🙂

[calm pulsar]

I have contributed 450,000 won to geon's church at this point

[tough wave]

@glacial wind i am so committed lol. I made a google sheets of input values of what to put in wootility for anyone with Geon Raws.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mmFJ-U8N3vgC91qVcDmln3TOAuUofc4FZaw3dGjpNCc/edit?usp=sharing

preview of what it is

[glacial wind]

Looks good. I’m looking forward to down the line when they add the switch selector to the wootility

[tough wave]

honestly this haha

i also think thats one of the hugest differences from other companies that are making HE boards. they simply probably would stop at "we only support our switches, any other switches is at your own calculations to do"

[chilly mural]

Heyy, when 2nd batch comes around the wootility v5 might be polished enough to get into Beta

[glacial wind]

I do think they might be regretting their choice to do 80he as wootility 5 only lol

their devs seem super busy bug stomping its alpha ish build

[delicate grove]

Hey has anyone had an apex pro before? I have the tkl version and my volume knob is super glitchy. And I’m trying to fix it before I sell it to get the 80he

Or 60 he

[ebon quiver]

There are other companies that have switch selection in their software

[tough wave]

oh really? color me surprised then 😮 actually cool

[ebon quiver]

Ye, I know nuphy has it, but no idea about others or how well it works though

[gusty prawn]

@glacial wind

what are these white small switches

do they also include it in the aliexpress thingy that i ordered?

[glacial wind]

Those are stabilizers. They come with your keyboard module already

[gusty prawn]

oooh okay thank you !

[tough wave]

oh yeah, do you have any recomendations for stabilizers and wires for the 80he?

or are they good enough stock?

[glacial wind]

They’re fine stock but I’d relube them if there’s any rattle. Stock factory lubed stabs are hit or miss

[tough wave]

i was also planning to bag lube springs with gpl105

[glacial wind]

If you really want to buy other stabs then knight v2 are popular and among the best, but it’s mostly unnecessary unless something actually is wrong with your stabs

[random hull]

friend showed me these, does anyone know them? he said "Topre EC and HE style switches" would something like this end up working with a wooting down the line 🤔

[calm pulsar]

sounds kinda bad

[calm pulsar]

their appeal would probably be tactility though

which might turn out cool

[chilly mural]

if the tactility is adjustable, might get

[robust siren]

disassemble the entire keyboard and every switch when you change actuation points 💀

[chilly mural]

3-3.2mm acc is all I need.

I bottom out when doing anything anyway

[tawdry tree]

Nice work! I believe Raw HE’s total physical travel is a little over 3.5mm which can slightly vary from unit to unit but a 0.1mm difference in calculation doesn’t matter at all in reality. Could do the Jades as well which have a total physical travel of 3.3mm.
Raw HEs: 4(mm) : 35(steps) = 0.114285714285714 per.
Jades: 4(mm) : 35(steps) = 0.121212121212121 per.

[robust siren]

arent raws 3.4mm travel?

[tawdry tree]

Interesting, much potential for a silent magnetic switch! They could be compatible with Wooting’s boards but it depends on their magnets’ strengths.

[robust siren]

i swear in the product listing it was

[tawdry tree]

I think that’s what it says on the site

Wait

[robust siren]

^ from geons website

[tawdry tree]

It shouldn’t vary 1.5mm, it could, but it shouldn’t.

the advertised total travel of most (magnetic) switches is off though.

Not really sure why.

Jades are advertised as 3.5mm

[robust siren]

interesting

[tawdry tree]

If you have any and can measure them, I’d love to know what you measure them as.

[robust siren]

i dont have calipers 😅

[tawdry tree]

Ah, it’s alright

They’re handy to have tho, just sayin 😂

[random hull]

was considering buying from ali too, do you know if we will get additional charges (also from NL), it does say VAT is included so..

[tawdry tree]

No extra charges. 👍

[random hull]

sweet, thanks, cheaper than our EU option then, deltakeys, right?

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, probably around the same

Did Delta restock em yet?

[random hull]

nope still expected 2 weeks for him to get it

[tawdry tree]

Yes, cheaper on Ali

On ali €43 including ship and on delta €42 excluding ship (if they were in stock).

and delta shipping is like another €7

bro does not do brievenbuspakketjes 😂

[gusty prawn]

Nope i paid 53 euros

incl ship

[random hull]

Alright

[random hull]

lol, smh no brievenbuspakketjes.. thanks 👍 gonna go with ali too then 🙏

[obtuse musk]

Random thought I had; Has anyone tried modding their keyboards using something like 3M damping tape? Don't recall ever seeing anyone do that.

For those who don't know what it does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1KTMRik-lA

Don't know if this would be good or safe for actual tape mod but I was thinking something like lining the insides of a metal case with it

[tawdry ermine]

If you are new to ALI you can save 8€ for the switches with coupon DENEW8. I got 90 raw he switches for 44€ now including shipping

[random hull]

sick thanks, but isnt that country specific code

yea it was, unfortunate, its a pain to find a code.. been searching for a NL one for a while now, i can not find any

they are really annoying with country restrictions on the codes

[tawdry ermine]

So its only for germany, sorry didnt know that. Can you try NLNEW8?

[random hull]

no luck unfortunately

[tawdry ermine]

Uff, but the price on ALI is still the best for EU at the moment. Buying through the official Geon shop would cost me 66$

[random hull]

yeah i may just wait a bit til they have new coupons or something, i got until early november until the 80he ships anyway

i did notice they are about to run out soon but eh

[stark parrot]

Which clean keycaps can you guys recommend (black preferably).
I have an iso de layout and I dont like full blank

[young lantern]

any lekker v2 sound tests on fr4?

[regal nest]

omg the lekkers sound horrible

[tawdry tree]

Haven’t seen anyone try this yet either, could be high potential but not really sure if it’d help a lot when applied like a tape mod. She said at the source of vibration which the PCB isn’t, not really. If you want, you could always add a layer of painters tape to protect the PCB?

[random loom]

Hi

Anyone know if zinc is more clack than pcr case

[tough wave]

XD they are indeed the v1s

[random loom]

Oh yee

[obtuse musk]

yeah that's why I mentioned it might make more sense being applied at the case itself. Perhaps the spacebar too? Although I'm not sure how well this works with other materials than metal.

When my keyboard arrives I might get some and see if I can do anything with it.

[ebon quiver]

almost finished em off just now

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-night-raw-wwe-raw-wrestling-2020-gif-19125491

[tropic urchin]

I dont think it’s clackier, but it has a marbly metallic sound to it. PCR makes it sound muted and kinda mushy

[ebon quiver]

lets see if the hype is real

[robust siren]

v1.5s -> raws was a big change for me

[tropic urchin]

I’d also take a look at calder’s sound test video

[ebon quiver]

1.5s as in v2s?

[robust siren]

no

theyre different

[random loom]

Ah shit

I mma just wait for new cases

When they eventually release

[ebon quiver]

different from what, what's 1.5s then?

[robust siren]

im trying to remember whats different between v1 and v1.5s 💀

[tropic urchin]

Take a look https://youtu.be/ruiwKUdKLWc?feature=shared

Or this one

https://youtu.be/wYACSlhQg9E?feature=shared

[tropic urchin]

What sound are you looking for exactly

[robust siren]

v1.5s are a little more lubed(?)over v1, ik 2.0s have better tolerances (less stem wobble)

[tropic urchin]

The new cases should be interesting, but you may be waiting awhile

[robust siren]

i found it

[random loom]

Ye ik

[random loom]

Marbly thock

[tropic urchin]

If you like the PCR then I’d get it, but I think it makes the sound kinda bad (granted I’m also very anti plastic keyboards so take that with a little bit of bias from me)

[random loom]

Depends on what I do with it when I get my keyboard it’s all trial and error

[tropic urchin]

You should like the zinc then

[random loom]

Ye

[tropic urchin]

Or is it a budget issue

[random loom]

Omg am cooked

Firstly I wanted white but because of delay

Secondly WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE

WhATTTTTTTTT

[tropic urchin]

Metal = pricier

And the zinc case is like a bus it seems

[random loom]

Ok am getting the frost

[tropic urchin]

Tough

[tropic urchin]

I think the frost case looks nice

[random loom]

Ordered

[tropic urchin]

The raw zinc could also look kinda good, the pics for it has improved a bit

[random loom]

Ye true

[tropic urchin]

Wooting cooked with the zinc sound profile

[random loom]

Actually reason I asked for the zinc thingy was because white got delayed I cancelled the order now am buying it again 💀

Thank god same dates

Still 6-21

[tropic urchin]

V1 white case gonna be a relic now

I was a little surprised it got taken down

[random loom]

Ye

[tropic urchin]

Luckiest man alive

[random loom]

Bro I was so ready for it and then bam they delayed it

[tropic urchin]

This keyboard needs to arrive 😭

My maxes and keycaps are going to be lonely for this next month

[random loom]

Same for my geon raws and new keycaps

[tropic urchin]

Kinda nice I’ll be able to lube my springs well before the board arrives, but I’m dying here with my mechanical

[random loom]

I am still using a 3 year old th80

[random loom]

Same but I wanted to do all the mods at once so not doing it yet

[tropic urchin]

If you’re planning on lubing all of your RAWs I’d probably do it before so then it won’t take 2-4 hrs on keyboard day

Then all the other mods will be like 2 secs by comparison

[random loom]

True

Hmmm

[tropic urchin]

Most I’m doing is just the tape mod + removing case foam and then after the springs it’s game on

[tropic urchin]

You got some time to do em, so take your time 👍🏼

[random loom]

Wait actually I can lube them on keyboard day

It’s close to my term breaks

YESSS

[tropic urchin]

Ah

Makes sense

[untold wigeon]

Yes works well. It’s not 3m but same idea

[velvet raft]

Can I ask what the full setup is here to get this sound? It is pretty close to what I am looking for, maybe slightly more clack than ideal for me but very close

[sleek wagon]

Raw HE come factory lubed right?

[fluid ravine]

Wooting 60He
Gmk 80082
Gh60 Alu Case (tofu v1 clone)
Black PC plate
RAW 60g
TX ap plate mounts
PE foam mod
Friction mount
Poly fill

Iirc

[fluid ravine]

Yes

[sleek wagon]

I'm the 1/10 because I think both switches don't sound great 😎😎

[sleek wagon]

It's good enough to not warrant anything extra?

[calm pulsar]

sorry can't trust your opinion cause you like the holy60 case

[fluid ravine]

Wdym?

[sleek wagon]

All he switches sound like shit and that's an objective fact brother!

[sleek wagon]

Lubing springs or anything of the sorts idk

[fluid ravine]

I mean the stock raws are great

Idk what to tell you ¯_(ツ)_/¯

CAM is still running them stock after a few months

[calm pulsar]

which is why you gotta choose the best of them

[fluid ravine]

I have mine fully lubed which didn't really matter

[fluid ravine]

And all I can say stock is amazing overall
Wouldn't really recommend lubing the raws other than the springs just incase

[sleek wagon]

They'll be here Monday, i only folded cause i wanted actual white leds lol

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-raw-raw-wwe-wrestling-logo-gif-16836282

[robust siren]

white does look pretty good with raws

it was def the lekker l60 stems causing the huge blue hue

[sleek wagon]

Jade pros

[robust siren]

oh you were using pros?

[sleek wagon]

I'll probably use the Jade pros and build my son an he board for Christmas or something

[sleek wagon]

Yeeee

[fluid ravine]

How are they

[sleek wagon]

Good, I think I went overkill on the sound dampening so when I take it apart to put the raws in I'm gonna take out the plate foam

It's hella muted

[robust siren]

dont mind the slight pink (triple-shot pbt)

although i think there is still think the red led is stronger then the others

[sleek wagon]

PINK????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

yeah that's white enough

[robust siren]

i got it, you can try 230/235, 255, 255

it might be a little blue...

its probably 235/240

[sleek wagon]

As long as it not super fucking blue like my current ones are I'm not trippin lol

This is my white

255,255,255

And honestly this picture doesn't even do the blue justice

It's way worse in person

[robust siren]

i know, it was the same with lekkers

[calm pulsar]

yeah pros have an outright blue upper housing so it affects rgb

or if that's jades then their light blueish bottom housing probably affects the rgb too

[robust siren]

reference center switch, others are pink due to keycaps

[green yoke]

For the 80HE what is the material under the stabs made of? My spacebar and shift keys stick when I bottom out the button. Not sure if it should be lubed more or kept dry.

[sleek wagon]

Are you using the stock plate?

[green yoke]

Everything stock

[sleek wagon]

Still looks pink breh

[robust siren]

its better in-person lol

[calm pulsar]

yeah cause you've got red under the keycaps due to triple shot method

[robust siren]

ya

i still rather use red

holy hell i hate this white plate

its killing the effect

[robust siren]

have you done anything to the stabilizers?

[green yoke]

Nothing

[robust siren]

interesting, are you able to take those keycaps off and inspect if they lay flat or if the keycap stems are straight?

[green yoke]

All stock 80HE. Spacebar and shift keys stick. I suspect stabs as nothing else sticks.

[robust siren]

you can take the stabs out and follow this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yz-UzTY8_I

inspect if they were mounted wrong

[green yoke]

Keycaps lay flat and cap stems fine

[robust siren]

also im not sure about the 80he but i found that these sides had 0 lube on them (60he+ stock stabs)

(this isnt actually the stock stab, just a random image)

[green yoke]

This is what im referring to. 80HE comes preassembled with some kind of bandaid mod already but not sure of the specific material of the mod so im not sure if it should be lubed with grease or oil or if at all.

[robust siren]

im not too knowledgeable on the 80he as i didnt buy one

[uneven cradle]

Don't lube underneath the stabs that's not gonna do anything

[robust siren]

yeah that ^

[uneven cradle]

Up to you whether or not you keep the pads under the stabs I removed mine personally

[tough wave]

is bag lubing the springs on geon raws enough? the stock lube sounds fine to me, and maybe just the springs to be lubed

[calm pulsar]

yeah they're good stock

[tough wave]

shweet :3

[proper cave]

guys is it hard to use 3.5mm switches without using LONG POLE STEMS ?

on 80he

[calm pulsar]

not hard at all, you don't notice it in normal typing

[proper cave]

so I don't really need to replace the poles

[calm pulsar]

no real need for that
if you press really hard on ends of stabilized keys then they might tilt, but it requires quite a bit of force and you don't run into it normally

if you find this fact annoying you could get long pole stabs

[proper cave]

nice ty so much

[hollow parrot]

https://geon.works/products/geon-stem-spacer?srsltid=AfmBOooEeaMmz_vq4kL08KPWLAnU3YRx4-ezy8IcFQ9srkRp2Rr3jqqq

can get spacers if your worried 🙂

[proper cave]

won't effect how the stabs feel?

[hollow parrot]

Not sure. Haven’t used them. Being made from plastic shouldn’t?

[proper cave]

yeah I guess so

[robust siren]

as long as your keycaps are good quality it doesn’t matter

im using geon raws with stock stabs on the 60he+

[proper cave]

cool so there is no problem

[honest nacelle]

they're designed to be pnp, and have the same bottom flux as jades (iirc 800+-80)

i had it pointed out to me that the domes themselves are pretty similar to bke domes, but I'm testing out a preproduction batch rn (since those are my vids)

they're very tactile, but a little inconsistent with sound but I'm gonna see if I'm tweaking or if its actually the fault of the switch

[polar girder]

Couldn’t put in the knights or try plates this weekend. Too busy spending time with wife and hitting shots

https://allstar.gg/clip?clip=66f8d66b07e944aaff1a372f

[calm pulsar]

Zmira the boss wouldn't be happy, but gj on the ace

[sleek wagon]

Anybody know of any 60 percent cases out there that support the wooting and have a 3 degree typing angle

[paper bloom]

Atm theres the Alumaze

that runs a 3 degree

??

Idk

Cuz im running a tofu with a 7

[uneven cradle]

alumaze is 4

[calm pulsar]

is your current case freebird60? I think it has 5 degrees

probably won't be a big difference between alumaze and freebird

[paper bloom]

I used to run the stock case at a 5 degree

[paper bloom]

The freebird and the alumaze will have a aesthetic difference in terms of the degree tho

[calm pulsar]

to me birdie looks way nicer

[paper bloom]

i meant as in

When youre using it and looking at it one will look flatter

but it also depends on the switch tho and how heavy youre running it

I find 60g on a 5 degree fucking hurts my wrist

While having a 45 gram for 5 is good and at the same time running a 45 gram ones on the 7 degree hurts my wrist

[calm pulsar]

the front height also matters here I'd say
maybe you need a wrist rest with like tofu redux

[paper bloom]

Thats what i came to a conclusion too, but when i phased out of the 45 Gram ones to a 60g from RAW

Shit made my wrist not hurt LOL

[rough summit]

Hey guys, anyone able to advise if Wooting 60+HE is compatible with reverie case?

https://cannonkeys.com/products/reverie-keyboard?variant=42514538332271

[golden palm]

Its a 65% case with typeC opening in the middle, I'd say it will not fit

[pulsar schooner]

Another allstarGG enjoyer. I see you

[pliant kernel]

I notice wooting sells spring packs that goes from 35 to 100, does anyone uses heavier springs for gaming ?

If so, do you get finger fatigue from holding down WASD for some time ?

In fact, I gotta test with a kitchen scale to see how hard I normally press
I feel like I am between 30g and 80g where I think I should have pressed. I have read a quick guide where it says the right spring should make the switch trigger and not bottom out for a typical chery mx linear red ( my current keyboard )

[ruby hill]

Waiting your 80he review

[golden palm]

Actually working on it in the studio at this moment..

[random hull]

ah, aliexpress store sold out on the geon raw 50g, ill have to wait for a restock then

[ruby hill]

Which version did you receive?

[golden palm]

Ghost PC

[ebon quiver]

Lucky me not being able to fall asleep and making poor financial decisions in the middle of the night

[random hull]

lol yeah, im just out here waiting for a coupon, i still have until early november before that 80HE goes out so eh

[glacial wind]

keep in mind switch restocks might be only once in awhile

like some shops might only restock once per month if it sells out

so good idea to try grab some on next restock during october if you need them for november

[random hull]

appreciate the heads up, yeah good point

[paper bloom]

It has a middle port

It will not work

[paper bloom]

Id say just wing it at this point

[random hull]

gonna ask kdbfans when they get new stock, and just worth with the info

[paper bloom]

Man thinking about it now makes me kinda regret not getting the founders edition but it is what it is

As well as not being able to get one anyway 😂

[flat cobalt]

Wait what color are the Geons??

[paper bloom]

white

[flat cobalt]

I want some all black switches for the Cosmos

[flat cobalt]

Tyty

[sweet oak]

black knights?

[paper bloom]

u cld try black knights

[flat cobalt]

I’ll check them out

[paper bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKbmeO8l48A

https://tenor.com/view/mumei-nanashi-mumei-hololive-spin-spinning-gif-18055145504789513476

[worthy epoch]

Yo guys. My friend wans to change stabs on his wooting and I suggested him sw knight v2 cus they’re best and i use them myself, butttt…
Turns out he’s got 60he version, with no pcb screw in support

Any recommendations?

[untold wigeon]

I use 100g you get used to it pretty quickly. I personally love it

[lunar sand]

TX APs plate mount

I have them on my 60HE

[worthy epoch]

Literally worst stabs, no offence

[lunar sand]

You won’t miss screw ins for sure

It’s subjective

[worthy epoch]

And they dont fit afaik

[lunar sand]

No?

[worthy epoch]

They like wider or something

[lunar sand]

Mine did

[worthy epoch]

Hm

[lunar sand]

Ehehe and they are tuned so

I have a mix of screw ins and plate mounted

And tbh these are really good

[worthy epoch]

Okay then

I’ll show him thosr

Any more options?

[lunar sand]

I tried durock v2, tx screw ins, everglide pandas

And tx work flawlessly

[lunar sand]

I don’t know those stabs. Going to research

But trust me. TX APs plate mount are perfect.

[young lantern]

tx ap are the recommended ones here for the original 60he just like the knight v2s are the recommended for the 60he+

you could also try designer studio plate mounts

[worthy epoch]

Aaa, fair

[stone flax]

designer studios

[sonic sequoia]

What do you think makes the Jade Max cost almost twice as much as the geon raw he?

[marsh saffron]

absolutely nothing aside from the gateron logo

[sonic sequoia]

And would you say they're substantially better

Torn between them atm

For the 80he

[marsh saffron]

go raw he

they arent really much different, iirc ive seen people say raw still has less stem wobble

and its like half the price

[warped quiver]

looking into hall effect switches bc im planning to upgrade to 80he. to my knowledge performance wont change much per switch so what are some of the quieter switches (the closer to silent the better)?

[ebon quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-cash-cow-eric-cartman-south-park-s6e2-jared-has-aides-gif-22098214

[marsh saffron]

Tbh the quietest you can get would probably be lekker v2s

Hand lube them, fill the keyboard with foam

[ebon quiver]

currently using 80he in plastic case with the stock switches (lekker v2), they're decently quiet imo

all the videos/comparisons i watched of the other switches sound louder than v2s

[sonic sequoia]

That's crazy

[marsh saffron]

Lord geon has cooked

The raws are really good

[sonic sequoia]

They do seem like the loudest switch tho which I'm not sure I'd like

[marsh saffron]

You can quiet them down a bit

Bag lube springs + lots of foam

I did it with my dashes and it's quite nice, not that loud

[warped quiver]

fair enough all the videos i saw they kept changing the keycaps/keyboard setup so it was hard to tell

[warped quiver]

ive heard of tape mod, is that necessary \

[robust siren]

theyre louder because almost all after-market switches are closed bottom/partly closed bottm (raws) and that produces the clacky sound

the v2s are open bottom so they arent as loud

[ebon quiver]

aye, figured as much from the reviews as it looks like the clack is from bottom being hammered on

[tawdry tree]

I’d be interested to hear about it when you try it out. Is the stuff expensive?

[tawdry tree]

Wow!

[untold wigeon]

Wut?

[tawdry tree]

Yes, same here.

[tawdry tree]

The tape, you tried it (an alternative of the 3m stuff but still).

[marsh saffron]

tape mod makes it louder iirc

unless you mean the switch tape mod

which i wouldnt do for lekker v2

[robust siren]

for me, the tape mod cleaned up the upstroke sound ever so slightly

[tawdry tree]

Awesome man, looking forward to those. Are you able to remove the tactile leaf to make it linear?

[honest nacelle]

ah, they don't have a tactile leaf

look at the portrait vid

i peeled back the dome

[tawdry tree]

What causes the tactility? It’s hard to see.

The dome itself?

[honest nacelle]

its a collapsing dome

yea

[tawdry tree]

Ah I see

Glad to see an actually interesting switch once in a while lmao

[honest nacelle]

yea

it kind of feels a bit weird with HE

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, makes sense

[honest nacelle]

I'll see if I'm tweaking or not

at high actuations

[tawdry tree]

I think tactility in HE is heavily underrated though, lots that can be done with tactile switches.

[honest nacelle]

like sensitive things, just moving the switch around will trigger it

since like

this kind of how it feels like

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[honest nacelle]

grossly exaaggerated

but if ur actuation distance is in the red

[tawdry tree]

Linear before and after the bump.

[honest nacelle]

neither

[tawdry tree]

Neither?!

[honest nacelle]

hold on

let me redraw it

[tawdry tree]

The dome is the cause of the tactility and the force right?

So a tactile leaf and the spring

[honest nacelle]

yea

[tawdry tree]

is what it replaces

[honest nacelle]

theres no pretravel

[tawdry tree]

I see

[honest nacelle]

the switch gets a fair bit of wobble

since its just resting on top of the dome

not like theres any actual pretravel

[tawdry tree]

Makes sense

[honest nacelle]

if you look at like a diagram of EC domes

or how they work

its basically the same

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

Whos the manufacturer?

[stone flax]

le dome

[honest nacelle]

uhh TEO

I'm mates with the guy who designed it

and he's mates with the manu factory

and they've got a team

where my mate has sole distro rights everywhere except china

and TEO has sole distro rights within china

[honest nacelle]

more info on it:

• 3.5mm travel

mini reviews of it

[quiet jewel]

O

Just ordered the 60he+ module

[honest nacelle]

dub

get raws with it

fuck lekkers

[quiet jewel]

Gonna order the case, switch, and keycaps when im back home

RAWs 50g r the ones im gettin

[ebon quiver]

interesting af, thanks for the vid

[quiet jewel]

Wonder when NA-Life batch getting shipped

No word on NA-Life anywhere

[uneven cradle]

You tried the lekker v1.5s? they are much improved

[honest nacelle]

not 100% sure

but ik I have lekker v2

and lekker v1 (i think)

i'm like 80% sure that my first lekkers were v1 and ik I have lekker v2s for my 2nd batch

but both are very mid

lekker v2 is a huge improvement from v1

but it should be at most a temporary placeholder

[honest nacelle]

@glacial wind

forgot to post it in pericord and idk how often you trawl this channel

tactile HE incoming

[untold wigeon]

Giant oof.

Ok so I am highly embarrassed. I was swapping out the boards today and when I was finished they had the exact same problem! I was throughly surprised. So I took them both apart to swap again thinking maybe I was mixed up and reinstalled the bad one by mistake. Then I plugged in both bare boards and lo and behold all LEDs worked perfectly on both! And upon further inspection I realized that a foam screen I had installed from a kbdfans CF plate had a cutout with material still attached blocking the led. The LEDs were never broken just being blocked. I never noticed because I was using Cerakey and gmk keycaps.

https://tenor.com/view/baby-crying-baby-crying-its-not-funny-not-funny-gif-12118479

lol

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-25177956

[untold wigeon]

@glossy pagoda I tried to email Ryosuke but it started a new email chain. Is that ok or can you message him and ask him to email me back.

[random loom]

Guys

After 3 years of using

This thing died

RIP th80….

[honest nacelle]

time to get 80he

[chilly mural]

I think you can get a soldering expert and solder the usb back

don't waste a good keyboard!!!

[random loom]

Ordered it already a few months ago

[random loom]

I can do it myself I think

I done soldering a few times

[chilly mural]

Good luck!

[uneven cradle]

Yeah the usb isn't too hard to put back on if you have some soldering experience

[ebon quiver]

plenty of flux and you'll put it back on ez

[cold bloom]

LMAO mine has a few of these I haven’t gotten around to removing, but a few keys like my O and P don’t have leds shining through, I had a mini heart attack until I realized too lmao

[random loom]

OK GUYS

KEYBOARD REVIVED

WOO

[untold wigeon]

I feel so dumb. lol

[pliant kernel]

Got it, I will find a way to get decent springs

[untold wigeon]

Just buy them from Wooting

[pliant kernel]

But....they are 20 dollars each !

[untold wigeon]

For a pack of 100 lol

[pliant kernel]

Okay, I just did a quick check on ebay, fair price.

Lemme submit a quick order change

[celest parrot]

Hello, is that everything I need? Or am I missing something?

For lubing switches and tuning knights v2 stabs

[pliant kernel]

Wooting store has issues, cannot add anything to cart
Total cookies clear did fix

[polar girder]

I don’t think you need grease for knight stabs bro

I think they say only krytox for knight stab housing

[robust siren]

you can tune stab wires by using 2 pen shells

[celest parrot]

I'm sure someone recommended grease for me don't know who tho

[celest parrot]

What's that

[polar girder]

Grease is generally good for stabs

But the knights have a silicone housing insert so grease is unnecessary

Is my understanding

[celest parrot]

So 205 for everything

[polar girder]

For the knight stabs, yes

[celest parrot]

I also plan to lube my raws with it

[polar girder]

That’s my plan anyway

Maybe other knight stab enjoyers can chime in

[celest parrot]

I believe in your plans bigsly

[robust siren]

like take out the pen ink thingy

[calm pulsar]

not only that but tighter tolerances too, which removes the need for thicker lube on the wire

[robust siren]

or you can just bend wires with hand

[celest parrot]

Grease removed tysm guys

[robust siren]

that works too

[celest parrot]

I'd rather buy a brush and call it a day

[robust siren]

? im not talking about lubing

im talking about stab wire balancing

[uneven cradle]

I lubed the housing and wires with 205g0

[celest parrot]

Gonna research what balancing is

[robust siren]

im getting my sw knights in soon but i had to do it for stock stabs

should be this thursday

[uneven cradle]

Knights shouldn't need wire balancing

Would hope for the price the wires would be straight

[celest parrot]

Another reason to buy knights then

[robust siren]

spacebar was so much better after balancing (stock stabs)

and relubed

[velvet raft]

I want a marbly thock type sound, but the lekker v2 sound kind of hollow/empty to me and the raw he sound better I think but a little too high pitch/clacky. Is it possible to bring the raws to a more marbly thock?

[robust siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547rtvaE9nI

this is what i followed ^

[celest parrot]

Tysm bro will look into it

[robust siren]

ceramic keycaps

[velvet raft]

Just got a new set of keycaps I really like a month ago so don't really want to drop them already lol but thanks

[robust siren]

are you looking for something like this?#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[velvet raft]

Ideally want something that is a mix of this (the thock build) https://youtu.be/_N8k0u75eLQ?t=674

and this #🔧│keyboard_modding message

The one posted here is a little too high pitched for my taste

[robust siren]

right now, lekkers are really the only ones that have the sound profile you want to make

[velvet raft]

Yea they are definitely the deepest sounding its just every sound test I hear of them they sound empty? or like hollow idk

[robust siren]

they are definitely hollow sounding

theres no switch rn that has what youre looking for

[velvet raft]

Unfortunate, thanks though!

I'll probably just copy the one posted here and try a bunch of mods to reduce the highs

[fluid ravine]

haha i remember taking notes from this video

[trail coral]

Do you guys think that the HE switches in the future can reach sound profiles like Milky Yellow or Oil Kings

[barren wasp]

what are some good barebone kits to pair with gateron oil kings

[calm pulsar]

probably not for this generation, cause it's too different in structure
I'm hoping that in the future we will get HE keyboards that sound and feel exactly the same as MX

[polar girder]

Yes

But future maybe like 10 years idk lol

[viscid gulch]

ignorance is bliss i went from a shitty ducky keyboard with browns switches to jade switches with tape mod and lubed switches

with nice keycaps and cas e

[polar girder]

HE is infancy in switch development IMO tho for sure

[viscid gulch]

this is the best keyboard ive ever touched

[polar girder]

Yeah I mean even rn HE has already come so far

So it is exciting

[viscid gulch]

happy i never tried a good keyboard before this xdd

[calm pulsar]

same lol

[viscid gulch]

im chilling and i enjoy typing on this keyboard every day

[quiet jewel]

I own like 3 keyboards already lol i just ordered parts for my custom build

My current one is s higround

[tropic urchin]

I don’t think I’ve owned a good keyboard so far 🤣

[quiet jewel]

Broke da bank with this one 🔥

[tawdry tree]

If they can manage to minimize wobble and perhaps make the dome and top housing translucent so the caps lock LED can shine through, it’d be more than great.

[remote cairn]

I mean, for what you’re getting not really, it’s quite a really good price

[tropic urchin]

Customs can go $600-700 if you get a little wild with it

[quiet jewel]

I would never lmao

[calm pulsar]

my current build is like 600-700 not including shipping and stuff💀

[tropic urchin]

thats the real breaking the bank

[tropic urchin]

mines probably close to $600 after those GMKs

no ragrets

[polar girder]

Yeah exactly

YOLO

[tropic urchin]

Its fully customizable so it can easily last 8-10 years

Jade Maxes are airborne

[hidden sun]

Hey everyone, question, Wooting60HE, Geon Raw HE or Gateron Jade Max? I'm leaning a bit towards the Geon Raws as I think they sound better but I'm not sure

[tropic urchin]

It depends on your budget and how much you care about stem wobble. Pros/Maxes reduced the wobble from the OG jades and RAWs are like 1/3 the price

I personally really enjoy the Jade Max sound profile, but Im like 1/12 ppl that do here so take that as you will

[hidden sun]

With shipping, the Geon Raws and the Jade Max are pretty much the same price, so for me, it's more important things like stem wobble, bottom out force and such

[tropic urchin]

I think the RAWs might be a little tighter, but the difference is going to be rather small than the RAWs vs OG Jades

If its the same price, I'd go for what you think you'll enjoy more hearing

[hidden sun]

Letting the subjective part aside for a little, in technical terms, the Jade Max are supposedly better?

[untold wigeon]

I wouldn’t agree with that

[hidden sun]

I'd like to hear your opinion on this, could you elaborate?

[calm pulsar]

need more tests, but I would just guess that Geon RAW HE have better tolerances

cause the dual rail thing doesn't look like it is better in any way yet

[hidden sun]

really?

[untold wigeon]

Tolerances alone. Like he ⬆️ said no one has yet succeeded in making dual rail worth while. But in the true sense of being a keyboard modder just buy both. It’s all preference.

[calm pulsar]

yeah my Maxes are on the way still for the sake of science 😄

[untold wigeon]

Exactly. You’ll never know unless you try them yourself. Sell the ones you don’t like.

[tropic urchin]

I don’t think he’ll go wrong with either one tbh, but a lot of folks are turned off by the $1/per switch so the maxes will always have that stigma to them

[hidden sun]

AHAH, I get what you are all saying, but I can't even consider myself an enthusiast, it's my first "custom" keyboard, I'm more of an amateur, coming from and old Razer clicky switch that sounds terrible with every keystroke

[tropic urchin]

Condolences as a former Razer huntsman owner

[blissful lintel]

I think Hall effect keebs def easier than building mechanical keeb

[untold wigeon]

I don’t think any switch in existence is worth $1 per switch. I would NEVER pay that.

[untold wigeon]

Same. I have a mini and a tkl. lol. 😂

[hidden sun]

Mine's a Blackwidow V2, full size, janky ass typewriter

[tropic urchin]

If you’re already considering the normal jades for $0.8/switch, the increase isn’t crazy, but I’m going to be in the minority for that take

[untold wigeon]

Maybe if someone made an actual silent he switch I would consider paying $1 a switch

[untold wigeon]

I own dash’s and the Raws are light years ahead and cost half as much

[hidden sun]

Now that's what I'm looking for, do you prefer Raws?

[calm pulsar]

here's my perspective:

• Gateron Jade comes out, it is the first closed bottom switch and it's a great idea that a lot of people like, because this feels closer to the conventional mechanical keyboard

• Gateron introduces the whole dual rail thing to HE switches, but no "closed bottoms" yet. There wasn't any real praise for this and it seems more like marketing rathen than an actual improvement.

• Geon RAW HE comes out, which turns out to be better at what Jades are trying to be. Raws have better tolerances, which leads to cleaner sound.

• Gateron releases Jade Pro, which are Jades with an upgrade on tolerances. Jade Maxes are a more expensive offering with the whole transparency and stuff.

So Raws are currently better at achieving MX-like feel. Another cool thing about Raws is that they have a bit of a softer bottom out feel compared to Jades, because the bottom is not fully sealed, so a bit of sound escapes downwards.

[untold wigeon]

Yes. It’s not even close.

[dusty pebble]

dual rail is marketing indeed

[kind helm]

just switched to raw from jade. LOVE it so much. marbly feel on magnetic keyboard OMG😍

[hidden sun]

Holy, amazing, this very good to read, there's a lot of marketing moves from Gateron and some upgrades but Geonworks is getting the W?

[calm pulsar]

yeah Geon is more of a "people's" keyboard designer and manufacturer

[untold wigeon]

Don’t get me wrong. A totally clear switch is a really sweet idea. But if thats all it has going for it then meh.

[hidden sun]

YES, love the marbly feel, I wasn't sure if I liked the mohjang inspired sound, I completely understand who prefers jades as they are also very good, but maybe this time around I'll go with the RAWS

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-waynes-world-praising-gif-13349501

Praise be to Geon

[random loom]

Yesh

[kind helm]

jade has a high pitch sound that hurts my ears :V

[dusty pebble]

should i even get black knights just for fun

dont have access to geon he switches

[stark osprey]

That's the problem with Gateron, release a bazillion variants of switches, with little to no improvement, rather than focusing on noteworthy improvements. I keep saying they're preying on the curiosity of hobbyists, and they're laughing all the way to the bank with that.

[calm pulsar]

where are you from?

[hidden sun]

Really like the clear design, but, at the end of the day, it's just a switch, I'm not going to see them very often, not until I start really experimenting with my keyboard. Sure, I'd love a clear switch with a golden spring, but damn, can't be choosing one over the other just for looks when the last thing I will experience is the appearance

[dusty pebble]

germany but local vendor doesnt have any stock

[tropic urchin]

If you like them or want to I don’t see why not

[calm pulsar]

geon raw he started selling on kbdfans and kbdfans' aliexpress store

might check there as well

[hidden sun]

Indeed, need something more satisfying and a little more subtle as these clicky switches are getting on my nerves ahah

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think improved tolerances and a better spring help achieve cleaner sound

[dusty pebble]

10pc $25.94

[calm pulsar]

wtf💀

[tropic urchin]

I guess I’m taking crazy pills bc all the sound tests I’ve listened to the RAWs are clickier to me than the jades/pros

[calm pulsar]

well that's probably with shipping

[dusty pebble]

lol

[hidden sun]

I think Geon's website has global shipping, or at the very least, Europe Shipping

[calm pulsar]

what about aliexpress? might have cheaper shipping there

[kind helm]

dont think the price for shipment increases that much when you increase the number of switches you are getting

[dusty pebble]

i dont want to make an account just for an one time purchase

[polar girder]

Yeah they’re good

[calm pulsar]

@dusty pebble which switch do you currently have? if that's lekkers then black knights will not be that much different tbh

[polar girder]

Closed bottom and open bottom are pretty different

[polar girder]

Bro what

[hidden sun]

I feel you, that was exactly my first thought, maybe use a f*ck around e-mail or temporary one, maybe I'll try to delete the account after receiving the switches

[polar girder]

Black knights are far better than lekker 1-1.5

[kind helm]

open bottom would be less noisy right?

[polar girder]

Yeah

Diff sound too

[calm pulsar]

it depends on what you think is "noisy"

[kind helm]

think i saw that design first on a video about Haimu Heartbeat

[kind helm]

😂 i just meant higher volume tbh

[dusty pebble]

yes i wanna get rid of them LMAO

[calm pulsar]

well better than v1s for sure, but lubed v1.5s are probably not super bad like v1s

[kind helm]

the old lekker is horrible... when i first got my 60he thing feels like a cheap $50 dollar gaming keyboard 😂

[calm pulsar]

yeah I still have a pack of them lying somewhere and they are insanely bad lol

[dusty pebble]

i am finally buying new keycaps

i think

[kind helm]

👀 get a deskmat that matches with the keycaps too hehe

[hidden sun]

I'm choosing Wooting's own Doubleshot PBT keycaps as I'm traumatised by ABS keycaps💀

[dusty pebble]

send help

[calm pulsar]

yoo gmk mtnu

[dusty pebble]

i got their 'blank' keycaps first

[dusty pebble]

yesh i wanna try

[calm pulsar]

im liking the Granite and Dolch

GMK MTNU is a real PBT set btw, a lot of others are a mix of pbt and abs

[dusty pebble]

well heres the thing - the 2he has the floating keys

[hidden sun]

Since it's going to be my first time experimenting with ANSI layout (all the ISO ones didn't have my layout so the ansi is the closest, no foreign keys), I need to atleast be able to see what I'm typing ahah

[dusty pebble]

yes!! i was thinking about getting mode tomorrow keycaps too but wanted real pbt

[dusty pebble]

you can just use the fn layer for special characters

[hidden sun]

I know but I really want to try out and make the Mod Tap feature work for me, looks really useful for keys like ctrl, alt, caps

[dusty pebble]

oh yeah its neat

wooting software is neat

[hidden sun]

Yeah, I've heard A LOT of good things about Wooting's Module and Software, not so much about the prebuilt version, hence why I'm choosing the Alumaze

[dusty pebble]

i see

[hidden sun]

Nevertheless, thanks everyone for all the help, the Jade supporters and the Geon lovers, every opinion was very important and I'll be taking it into consideration when purchasing my switches

[stark osprey]

How are you liking the type feel on MTNU? I'm on SA's right now, and am liking it alot. Wanna try MTNU, but haven't found a set that speaks to me yet.

[calm pulsar]

I don't have one yet😭
tbh I like the wob the most, but it's sold out so I'm too not sure what to get

[dusty pebble]

i have to go with modern dolch

i need the extra r1 keys for the additional keys on my 2he

[stark osprey]

Yeah Modo looks cool, but I feel like alot of people are going after that one, I kinda want to go more unconventional

[untold wigeon]

I absolutely adore SA profile. I’m dying to try mtnu profile.

[dusty pebble]

same but what should i use for the mode keys

those

four

[stark osprey]

Ah is Modo the only ones offering those? You're on 2HE?

[dusty pebble]

yes

indeed

[dusty pebble]

refer here

[stark osprey]

Oh gotcha, wait, it doesn't appear they do make the mode keys for the MTNUs... that's your dilemma? Probably would just use artisans or even blanks or accents to fill in?

[dusty pebble]

yeah thats why i am going with mode

gonna use these

[stark osprey]

Gotcha , yeah those modo keys would serve as nice accents

[dusty pebble]

i could get accents for like 30 bucks

but not worth it for me lol

like cmon 30 bucks because of the 4 additional keys

naah

well

can i even use aluminium artisan keys with he keyboards?

[calm pulsar]

yes

[dusty pebble]

hmmmm

[calm pulsar]

I used a full alu artisan on Esc and it worked just fine

[uneven cradle]

Yeah who would pay that much for some extra keycaps 👀

[kind helm]

the dark color one reminds me of keychron👀

[untold wigeon]

Cough cough @stray tiger cough

https://tenor.com/view/prolty-gif-21668720

[uneven cradle]

[lone plume]

Anyone tried keebtape on 2he?

[polar girder]

Much excite

Pumped for PBS BoB

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/very-excite-and-they-were-childhood-friends-gif-21400543

[static tendon]

Just curious but those who use rapid trigger, do you use it on every key on the keyboard or specific keys only?

[dawn stag]

i dont see why you wouldn't use it on everything

[robust siren]

i use it on everything except shift and space

[static tendon]

I agree, I had someone say you can get mis-clicks from using it on all keys

[robust siren]

(for obvious reasons i dont want to start accidentally running when i intend to walk)

[static tendon]

I've been using it on all keys for about half a year now, can't say that has been an issue for me

[calm pulsar]

@tawdry tree hey do you think I could get Deng God switches and combine the boxed stem with Raw HE? they are dirt cheap on AE lol

I wonder if the boxed stem can make the sound lower pitched or just different in some way compared to normal Raws

or maybe it's a bad idea for the tolerances lol

[static tendon]

This is what I'm using currently

[static tendon]

I've personally found that 0.15 rapid trigger makes me accidently re-actuate the keys unintentionally so I've actually recently brought it up to 0.25 instead, although the difference isn't anything major, it does seem to help a little

[robust siren]

ye i usually play .15-.25 depending on the game

.15 for cs and .25 on valor

[static tendon]

Yeah that makes sense

[robust siren]

.15 for ow2

etc

[static tendon]

Just curious by why for valorant you use 0.25? Isn't it fairly similar to CSGO movement?

[stone flax]

I play on .01/.15 bc i find that fun

[robust siren]

cs2 is just a tiny bit more slippery

[static tendon]

Gotcha

[robust siren]

so i want to to be faster and .25 is just fine in valorant

[static tendon]

Understandable

[robust siren]

since counterstrafe isnt really as important

in val

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t recommend the box stem with the Raw HE bottom because it may introduce slight or severe friction. Using the Raw HE top housing on the Deng Gods would work and would result in a reduction in bottom-out wobble compared to Raw HEs’. There isn’t really an audible sound change between the box stem and non-box stem, at least not to me. Deng Gods are dirt cheap though so why not give them a shot?

[umbral matrix]

is a switch with a shorter travel distance better for someone that always bottoms out switches

[calm pulsar]

so I guess the ideal way would be everything deng god except upper

[tawdry tree]

In theory, most likely yes. In practice, you probably won’t notice it.

[tawdry tree]

Indeed.

Deng Gods with Raw HE’s top.

👍

[calm pulsar]

nice, thanks! might mess with that during vacation

[stone flax]

whaaaa

[tawdry tree]

Shorter travel = faster 😱😱😮😵

[stone flax]

i meant the “in practice you wont notice it”

[tawdry tree]

prob not

[stone flax]

can people really not tell 4.0 vs 3.4-3.5 pbo?

thats news to me

[tawdry tree]

the difference in delay between 3.5 and 4mm is so little

[stone flax]

rbo vs pbo is still huge

[tawdry tree]

rbo pbo?

[umbral matrix]

thx

[shadow fern]

such intelligence

[polar girder]

What’s on you A & D?

[robust siren]

socd

[polar girder]

Ah

I haven’t looked at Wootility in forever. Should probably optimize lol

[stone flax]

bottoming out at pole vs rails

more of an mx term

[calm pulsar]

I hated bottoming out at rails ever since I got my og 60he

[tawdry tree]

is there a difference in feel?

[stone flax]

ofc ofc

[calm pulsar]

dunno about MX but on HE for me it's a whole diff world

[stone flax]

poles will feel like you literally hit something at the bottom of the press

rails feel as if at the bottom of the press the stem has just caught on something

theres variance in it but

poles just tend to be sharper

[shadow fern]

mushy af esp if stem wobble is bad

[pliant kernel]

Eeek, looks like I will have get used to new sensations on my new 60he+

[stone flax]

🤢

Ikik

[pliant kernel]

I hope it dosen't have this issue on my lekker v1

[stone flax]

i prefer pole bottom out a lot more

more solid feeling

[calm pulsar]

did you recently buy a wooting?

[pliant kernel]

Yeap, according to my role

[shadow fern]

Oh man, why are you still rocking V1 Lekkers

[calm pulsar]

it won't have v1s

[honest nacelle]

I'll have a chat with Eric but good chance it's not possible due to how domes work since they're already pretty good vs niz topre and hhkb topre

[pliant kernel]

Oh, then they gotta update the billing because 60he+ still says lekker 60 while on 80he+ says V2 for switches

Lemme show it in 2 pictures, brb 2 mins

[calm pulsar]

it won't have v2s yet either 😄

[pliant kernel]

Oh lol, I was bit confused

[calm pulsar]

there are still some v1.5s left and when they run out of them all keyboards will have v2s

[stone flax]

theyre all lekkers be it v1.5 (what ur going to be getting on the 60) as of this moment or v2

not really anything to update

[pliant kernel]

Well darn, I did not know that

[gilded isle]

Anyone knows what this is?

[honest nacelle]

Lekker v1 have horrible tolerances (gateron's fault), lekker v1.5 are fine but still highly recommended to upgrade, lekker v2 tolerances are alright, but open bottom results in horrible sound (plus raws are more accessible now, jade's and raws are cheap af)

[pliant kernel]

Which one ? I can tell you

[calm pulsar]

all my homies hate open bottom

[gilded isle]

The yellow thing

[pliant kernel]

Tantalum capacitor

[gilded isle]

Upon checking it is abit lose

Is it normal like that?

[pliant kernel]

Oh, not normal

[gilded isle]

Oh

[pliant kernel]

Got soldering iron ? You can fix it by remelting it again and let get solid again

[honest nacelle]

Open bottom? Open your wallet and buy something else

[pliant kernel]

Oh, if I end up hating it, I will buy better switches down the road

Though, I still have option of canceling my order and buy it without switches

[honest nacelle]

It sounds pretty shite on anything that's not filled with foam to the 9s

[gilded isle]

I do not have that

And the skill to do that

But my keyboard still works fine, should I get worried?

[honest nacelle]

Could always do what a lot of other ppl do and just buy module, jades/raws, and a tofu60 redux or other cheap gh60 case

I 3dp my own case so even less cost

Tbf I sell that but yk

[pliant kernel]

Fuuuck.....oh well. I also can 3d print one but the plastic case is just 10 on wooting

[calm pulsar]

show pics

[stone flax]

which people conflate with making it a go to tHoCkY sWiTcH

like bro ur listening to hollowness and foam, not “thock”

[calm pulsar]

yeah with raws or jades I don't hear the voices in my head

[stone flax]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KqpNnehqtTA

[honest nacelle]

They should be on my website but idk if I'm allowed to promote it here

It's modelled similarly to the holy60 but at like half the price

[calm pulsar]

people link hypekeyboards here for example
so should be ok

[honest nacelle]

https://caffeinatedcustoms.com.au

I do a few things but I do sell a case

Semi-diy since I ship in 2 parts to save on cost

And cuz it's printed in 2 parts

[calm pulsar]

ahh the unholy60, I've seen pics of that here

[gilded isle]

Up 😦

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-insane-cat-meme-insanity-losing-grip-gif-2901353152573298214

[pliant kernel]

I am already

Driving myself crazy over so many choices

[stone flax]

They all yearn for thock, yet they do not comprehend what it means…

[calm pulsar]

an allegory on life...

[jade storm]

sell me HM66 module

[honest nacelle]

damn I need one too

am selling some of my boards trying to find a way to afford the hm66

[jade storm]

You will.

[honest nacelle]

otw to collect all the good HE boards

[honest nacelle]

soon soon

building my gh60 collection

got a wooting, rakka, redux60, dz60 rgb v2

and some uhh

stuff coming from dd that I can't talk abt for now

and another one from chill

iirc called spare60

[calm pulsar]

venom60he 7u

[honest nacelle]

also grabbing one of those when cafege stocks it

but i'll probs get the 6.25u

since I've got fn layer habits

[calm pulsar]

it seems to be based heavily on rakka

[honest nacelle]

cafege 🥰 love them sm

[honest nacelle]

yesnt

venom60HE was designed off rakka but is only similar in design language

and geon said it was to continue the familiarity of sw from the Venom87HE

and for the Venom88HE/Venom87HE rev.2 it'll use his own in house stuff

and the same as the venom60he

[calm pulsar]

i bought their last frog mini from them
had to do mail forwarding cause im from russia

[honest nacelle]

ah yea

russian sanctions have not been particularly helpful for a lot of businesses

dd among them especially since pretty much any cc based in russia is autodenied for some reason

[calm pulsar]

I see, interesting
I love geon's little things like an extra layout or the capslock south led
or the 2 usb-c ports, very cool

[honest nacelle]

I think its pretty cool too, but I'm not gonna get them, even when cafege stocks them just cuz i don't really use larger than 65%

[calm pulsar]

what is "dd" and "cc" in this case?😅

[honest nacelle]

dd = drunkdeer
cc = credit card

should probs mention while I do work for drunkdeer, my opinions abt them are my own and they cannot police what I say about them

particularly since I've been quite critical of their past products and practices

they're doing better but still

[calm pulsar]

ohh ic
though it is not an issue for me to get a DD on aliexpress, cause I can use ru cards there

didn't know they were based in russia lol

[pliant kernel]

Huh, I noticed drunkdeer also sells alu cases

[honest nacelle]

yea we do

we sell it for our own boards

since none of them have or use standard mounting points

a75 alu case is sandwich mount

uhh, g65 and g60 are tray mount

g75 nothing out yet

[honest nacelle]

oh haha we're not

we're based in hk iirc

[calm pulsar]

oh read that wrong lol

[honest nacelle]

but we have issues shipping or selling to russia since our payment facilitator refuses russian payment details

[calm pulsar]

yeah the journeys that my kb stuff has to go through cause of sanctions

[honest nacelle]

yea ik the feeling

[pliant kernel]

Oh yeah, I remember reading these news about that

[calm pulsar]

company that I work for has moved to many diff offices, but I work for an hk based office too lol

[honest nacelle]

even when I send stuff overseas I try to avoid the import taxes by declaring it at cost price not at msrp

but occasionally customs will actually look my shit up to get the actual price or guesstimate what it would be to tax them

[pliant kernel]

DHL will always do that

[night cairn]

could someone help with picking out some stablizers 🙏

[calm pulsar]

yeah it's super nice when you have local shops and stores like you've got or cafege

[pliant kernel]

Huge pain in ass to deal with DHL about buttsex surprise "taxes" from them

[calm pulsar]

I hear they pay the tax for you and ask for a fee for that

[pliant kernel]

Yeah, I loathe needing to self-declare this shit in Canada

Huge distances between places

[calm pulsar]

ideally you shouldn't really replace the stabs unless there is an issue with them

[night cairn]

they sound good without good ones?

[calm pulsar]

which keyboard you're getting?

[night cairn]

60he

im modding da fawk outta it

[pliant kernel]

prebuilt or as a module ?

[night cairn]

prebuilt

[pliant kernel]

Alright, okay.

[calm pulsar]

in case of prebuilt you could upgrade to some pcb mount stabs then, but if you were getting the module I'd say just lube the included stabs

[night cairn]

its hard to find stabilizers let alone some pcb mounted ones for me (thats just me i think)

i spent like 30 mins searching for some

js found duroks and everglides wich are too expensive for stabs

[calm pulsar]

the most hyped ones are probably sw knight v2s, and they are most compatible

some others may not fit depending on what plate you've got

I had issues with TX AP pcb mounted stabs

[cold bloom]

I really like the new durock v3 stabs

the way they snap the wire into the housing seems to really help reduce any rattle

[night cairn]

they expensive tho

[cold bloom]

yeah fs

super easy to setup tho which is nice, I didn't have to tune them at all

[night cairn]

wouldnt mind tuning tbh

[fluid ravine]

should i get the plate mounts

jk

[cold bloom]

just nice to lube the spacebar a tiny bit and be done with it lol

and 10$ more for stabs isn't too wild I guess

[cold bloom]

yes

[calm pulsar]

I think @stone flax said that there are stabs that have the same design but way cheaper cause they're not durock branded lol

[cold bloom]

that would make sense, I'll have to find some cause I really like them so far for spacebars esp

[night cairn]

U got any others i don’t really like how they sound

[cold bloom]

cherry clip ins

if you don't mind tuning

and clipping the stems

[night cairn]

Alr

[cold bloom]

best bang for your buck imo

[kind helm]

anyone tried the salvation case? worth it?

[calm pulsar]

btw they didnt fit with my plates lol

[kind helm]

👀 kinda thinking about something more "premium"

[cold bloom]

salvation case slaps

[calm pulsar]

turns out they are exactly like TX AP in terms of width

[cold bloom]

I want to get something a bit lighter for gaming but overall the salvation is great

[fluid ravine]

fr?

[calm pulsar]

yeah talking abt pcb mounts

[fluid ravine]

wait width or like thickness

[kind helm]

how does it affect the sound, i feel like the feel is gonna be good fs

[fluid ravine]

cus i thought they were compatible

being 6.5mm thickness wise

[calm pulsar]

seems like the included gateron based stabs on the module are even thinner than that

[cold bloom]

not sure what you mean, it sounds like the salvation, just depends what switches and foams you use etc beyond that

[fluid ravine]

[calm pulsar]

I think they did that to be able to utilize plate mount cutouts on the plates

[kind helm]

the bottom is just gonna be the spring and nothing else, no? would it be more hollow compare to like the more popular tofu

[night cairn]

They are too bland bro sounds like air? I guess

[fluid ravine]

mm tru

[calm pulsar]

I meannn the switch affects the sound more than stabs
Ideally stabs should be noisy and rattly

[night cairn]

I might honestly js use the stablizers on my old stabs from my other modded keyboard

But idk what they called of if they good

[calm pulsar]

like most alternative mounts it should feel softer on bottom out which makes it a nicer experience overall

[tiny summit]

Does anyone know if the Salvation specifically can have a thocky sound profile or something in the middle that can be achieved by mods and doesn't take away from the spring mount experience? 🙂 I know, difficult question but was wondering if anyone has achieved it, early on mods that I was thinking of was 2 layers of moleskin tape mod, poly-fil, cerakey keycaps, and Poron pads with geon raw he's for the wooting

[cold bloom]

I'm not sure what you mean lol

what stabs do you prefer?

I find most stabs sound similar once modded but can depend on the switch and board obv

[night cairn]

Ion know bru 🙏

[cold bloom]

LOL

good one

[night cairn]

On my mama i cant decide

[tawdry tree]

I can slightly notice it but for me, annoyingly, the sound influences the feel. Jades “feel” sharper because they sound sharper and Black Knights “feel” softer because they sound like a thud, 😂. I can see how a switch with a lot of wobble can cause the rails to bottom out one after the other and feel mushy.

[tawdry tree]

Alright, I’ll try to pick them up either way when I can. 👍

[cold bloom]

it's not as hollow as my tofu, but it def has a metallic undertone cause of the way it's mounted

there's a few videos of youtube of salvations with a wooting pcb

or just salvation in general

I don't have a video of my wooting in mine rn

[kind helm]

ty sir. its just hard to judge since i saw like 2 different videos with pretty much the same build and sound very different. so it is hard to see with the different mic quality and the different setup for the mic.

[cold bloom]

yeah fs

[jade storm]

thcok

[young lantern]

dave what o ring size did you and cam use w salv? screws are shorter and i know you said you preferred one on top and one on bottom

[warm knot]

Hlo Guys need some help, I wanted to buy alumaze60 just white version. As I saw the description it is painted not anodized or micro arc oxidised(like the grey one) so will it fade in future? would it be a concern or am I thinking too much?

[tawdry tree]

tcohk

[flat cobalt]

https://clickclack.io/collections/group-buying/products/seal-mechanical-keyboard-kit @cold bloom

[honest nacelle]

good chance I'll stock them myself, but I'll talk more about it when it reaches full production

[honest nacelle]

yea I try to be as fair as I can about everything, including things like shipping to mates in aus

[cold bloom]

I found overtime with mine the oring kind of broke cause it needs to be screwed in well so the usb sits in the right spot, not like sitting stacked too high if that makes sense

I ended up using those little rubber standoff covers my tofu came with on the 2 metal tray mount points and then one of those red washers for pcb mounted stabs on top of that on each, then just used the regular screws

[cold bloom]

ouuuu

I ended up grabbing gmk black snail the other day

I think I'm just gonna get the cosmos keycaps before the group buy ends, the salvation is nice but I think I'd rather save for a diff keeb to add to my collection since I have one

[cold bloom]

I also bought more of these cause kbdfans sells them for like 5$ lol

[blissful solar]

aloha fam! gald to find this community

Raw or Raptors?

[dire delta]

RAW

[paper bloom]

RAW

[flat cobalt]

Yeah I'm getting the Cosmos Keycaps for sure

[blissful solar]

ordering raws right now

[glacial wind]

glory to geon and all that he touches!

[blissful solar]

how do we join these group buys?

[glacial wind]

oh kdbfans aliexpress restocked their 50g raw he switches I see. They must be able to swap stock over from their website when needed, neat

[flat cobalt]

Depending on the group buy it'll usually say what website you can join it from

The Cosmos in US are through Cannonkeys

[honest nacelle]

bro the cosmos keycaps are SO expensive

I prepped a whole board for the cosmos keycaps

only for the whole board, painted and built to cost less than base + sb

[blissful solar]

thank you

friendiest discord i'm in haha

[dull sequoia]

Still no meaningful test of Jade Max? Constantly looking for a test of those compared to raw, jades, Jade pros. Hooefully with a 1:1 comparison in the same switch slot and not next to each other

[uneven cradle]

Pretty standard gmk pricing

[honest nacelle]

nah not lately

its standard for old gmk pricing but esp for the last few years its been a fair bit cheaper

280 aud before ship is crazy pricing

cuz I paid less for the ciel60 + pcb + paintjob

[uneven cradle]

maybe geons sets but nobody elses

[flat cobalt]

Yeah ;-; idk which deskmat to get yet though

[flat cobalt]

[ionic breach]

https://tenor.com/view/high-tier-human-low-tier-god-ltg-love-yourself-lowtiergod-gif-4914755758940822771

[old swallow]

Keep yourself save 👍

[celest parrot]

I got the deskmat that is a part of the cosoms collection

[flat cobalt]

yeah Idk if to go for the minimalist one or the other one

[celest parrot]

Dark matter

It looks cool imo

Get it and let's be deskmats bros

[copper glade]

Quick question my wootings caps lock is stuck on and I can’t type anything does anyone have any ideas maybe it’s like a key is faulty and stuck as active or smth or I activated something like a lock

Now it’s off I’m trying to reset it

[thin mist]

Can anyone help me I want to swap my swtich plate to pc insted of the standard one since Ive changed my case to tofu60 redux and it's getting so loud now I have heard it's because I'm using aluminum case with the standard steel plate if I want to buy a pc plate should it be for the wooting or for the tofu60 redux ?

[copper glade]

It seems my fn key was causing issues but now I can’t type on WASD or Q, Z shift caps lock and tab

[grizzled path]

wooting plate. the plate is attached to the pcb, not the case

[thin mist]

Thanks that's just what I wondering about

[delicate wharf]

im not sure where to ask so ill ask in here, ive got a wooting 2 he, have had it like 2 or 3 years now, unsure which switches are in it but i was wondering if i can swap to the linear lekker switches, and if they'll feel the same or at least similar, to whats currently in my keyboard

[grizzled path]

2he's already have the v1 lekker switches, you can swap them to lekker v2's for example

[copper glade]

My wooting 60he keyboard just doesn’t type now wtf

Rgb and everything turns on

But no response from any switch