🔧│keyboard_modding

[robust siren]

im definately not lubing switches

[fluid ravine]

a day is wild tbh 💀

[lone plume]

for first timer

[robust siren]

really?

[lone plume]

it not lol

[fluid ravine]

yes

[robust siren]

oh boy

[fluid ravine]

if you consistently lube switches and you know the basic

it can take 3-5 hours

[robust siren]

im not lubing switches

[fluid ravine]

new people into the hobby can take up to 6+ hrs id say

[fluid ravine]

would you like to do it over time?

[lone plume]

if you wanted to bag lube the stem and spring lol

[barren wasp]

This one is with desk mat

[fluid ravine]

no stems

only springs

[robust siren]

the geons are factory lubed and i dont have anything to take it apart nor did i order switch lube

[fluid ravine]

which geon switches?

[robust siren]

maybe in the very far distant future

[robust siren]

raw he's

[fluid ravine]

ok then you really dont need to lube switches at all then!

[robust siren]

yay!

[fluid ravine]

I personally dont recommend lubing the RAW HE's due to it's stock sound being its signature sound

and esp for new people, if you over lube these switches they will sound very dampened

even with a avg amount of lube

[lone plume]

but i like abit dampen sound D=

[calm pulsar]

the dampened sound goes away in time

if you overlube I mean

[fluid ravine]

if you are planning to lube them however i would take "less is more" rule more seriously on the top housing and bottom housing

[fluid ravine]

indeed

[fluid ravine]

well im talking about the RAW HE in particular

im not saying for all switches

but some switches can sound better stock than fully lubed

[robust siren]

when i was picking parts, it was either going to be sticky rice or raw he

[ruby dirge]

hi which way do I install the raw he switch

[fluid ravine]

Sticky rice magnet's has some issues with the Wooting PCB atm

well actually not the wooting pcb specifically

[ruby dirge]

The logo facing the bottom?

[fluid ravine]

they have some inconsistency errors in the switches themselves

[robust siren]

ah i see

[fluid ravine]

Yes

[ionic breach]

i think they got a new version tho

[fluid ravine]

Window goes facing away from you and the logo facing towards you

or window up and logo down

[fluid ravine]

if they do then good

[ruby dirge]

Ah okay the geon logo is like flipped when I do tht so I was confused

[fluid ravine]

When the window is positioned north, this is considered north facing

[ruby dirge]

NOEG

xd

[fluid ravine]

if its facing towards you (or south) its considered south facing

[ruby dirge]

Tyty

[fluid ravine]

yup no problem

[robust siren]

how much was your build total?

(i feel bad about how much ive spent and im trying to cope)

[fluid ravine]

lemme calculate mine

some of my parts were gifted but i will still calculate all parts with full price

[quiet bay]

dw lots of people have spent 500+

usd

[calm pulsar]

man I gotta sell extra stuff that I have

[robust siren]

my total came out to 503

[ruby dirge]

Wooting foam or redux foam

[fluid ravine]

$463.2

Approx

i feel like im missing some stuff

maybe

[robust siren]

tax n shipping?

[fluid ravine]

nah

i mean i can count tax if you want

and shipping

[robust siren]

nah its good

[fluid ravine]

but i would have to recheck all that

alr lol

[robust siren]

i only paid shipping on 2 things and tax is easy enough

[fluid ravine]

well it should come up to over $500 with tax and shipping for me

[robust siren]

did you have the module or prebuilt 60he?

[fluid ravine]

prebuilt 60he

og one

my board is pushing 2 years old rn

[robust siren]

mines a month old LOL

[quiet bay]

same

[robust siren]

my things come in on the 21st so its just all wait atp

[marsh saffron]

my 60he is a year and a few months

got it in june

last year

once the keycaps arrive in december my build will be complete

aside from new switches later this year/next year

[fluid ravine]

waiting for frijoles CF plate

[robust siren]

i ended up buying the keycpas on aliexpress

[fluid ravine]

pretty sure my sound profile would be endgame

but my build almost

[robust siren]

had a code for 12$ off and shippings the cheapest there

[fluid ravine]

i would want a new case aesthetics wise

my case is pretty beat up

[marsh saffron]

waiting for my xray set to come in

[fluid ravine]

I'm starting to want the nipple case so bad now

[robust siren]

lol

[fluid ravine]

Dude it would be such a meme and so beneficial for me at the same time

[robust siren]

how does the sound compare between the tofu and holy?

[quiet bay]

frog leggera

[marsh saffron]

im really happy with my tofu

door wedge my beloved

[fluid ravine]

Frog leggera goated as well

Would prob consider that as well

[robust siren]

omg i cant do math, every time a combination of certain numbers or numbers and letters show up i think about cars

[fluid ravine]

Nipple case cus of
1.aesthetics
2.build quality
3. Meme: "Nipple case" and BooBs keycaps (GMK 80082)
4.Mounting style

[calm pulsar]

5. Nipples

[fluid ravine]

Heh

[inland saddle]

This is Their Norway only shop

[calm pulsar]

watching Taeha and Glarses stream while playing tarkov

and today frog and raws arrive

chillin

[robust siren]

im just staring at my order number's tracking

i know the fastest things getting here are gonna be what i got on amazon- lube o rings backup screws and that cablemod wire

[rigid temple]

my tofu 60 came a day earlier than expected. Now I’m just waiting for the module I’m really excited

[untold wigeon]

To any of you who don’t mind eBay sets. Alter Redux is so damn cool.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387370712883?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=i2sgwq3hqyo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=8hmdpzngt6k&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[stray tiger]

You can get it new on mechmarket from time to time for around $100-120 shipped

[untold wigeon]

Huh. I thought they were out of production

[stray tiger]

Collectors like me who want to thin out unused sets or just want to flip for something else

Here is one that might still be for sale https://reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/1c9n6jb/usil_h_gmk_alter_redux_w_paypal/

[untold wigeon]

Makes sense

I have my Bento R2 set that’ll never be used because it’s missing one cap

[stray tiger]

What happened to the cap?

[untold wigeon]

It was shipped to me in some really terrible packaging that was soaking wet and a cap fell out. “ key I think if I remember correctly

[stray tiger]

You could definitely still use that set if you wanted (unless your OCD would kick in)

[untold wigeon]

Oh yeah massive ocd

Maybe the modifiers with my devoted set

[cyan zodiac]

I remember the days when alter flip for 1k

[inner flicker]

anyone else have the little rgb prism fly out of the raws when pulling them out

[untold wigeon]

Yep

[inner flicker]

ok cool

They pop back in really easily just a bit annoying

[calm pulsar]

almost 40 year old cherry switches

[chilly mural]

Ancient premium

Can't wait 40 years later for Pre-retooled vintage Lekker v2 60

[calm pulsar]

pre switch tape modded moldy lekker v1s

[steel hemlock]

Hey friends thoughts on the Womier M68 HE? I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but my friend really likes my Wooting for the Hall Effect switches (They don't really have a setup yet, they just started getting more into gaming so it'd be their first keyboard).

I usually skip straight passed most budget Wooting alternatives, but I found a local deal listing the above keyboard for 40$. Would it be a waste of money or worth a try for the price.

[steel hemlock]

After a tiny bit of research I will not be getting it :)

[chilly mural]

Time to wait for the 80he

[calm pulsar]

naisu!

I just got notification that my raws arrived too

[chilly mural]

It feels and sound lovely

[frigid lodge]

I got my lekker v2's in today, and they're great. Definitely not going to keep switch hunting after this lol

Got the teal/aqua ones.

[hard flower]

When does the code for Geon expire? Still debating ordering 270

Anybody order in the US? How long did it take to arrive?

[remote cairn]

Took 8 days (or 5 business days) to arrive in France, so you could double that at most

[loud gull]

15th it ends

[hollow bear]

bubblegum candy🤤

[hard flower]

Appreciate the info!

[hard flower]

Thanks!

[inland saddle]

How much was the taxes?

[remote cairn]

€30

[inland saddle]

Love living in EU

[mighty egret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/s/UU7EIj07h2

[jade star]

for the geon raws is there a specific lube to be using for the spring and stem etc

or is the one on the wooting website good

[glacial wind]

Any switch lube is generally okay. Everyone just uses 205g0 for their switches

[exotic inlet]

Just received my Geon Raws

[cyan zodiac]

Use ghv4 on cherrys

[tall hollow]

More switch hunting? Deffo get Raw HEs

[tall hollow]

Yeah, just be careful not to get fake 205G0

[gusty patio]

Yeah, probably gonna order from that French site instead.. thats quite a lot for extra costs

[tardy aspen]

does anyone know what the Gateron Jade Switch are like for feel? my brother just bought the wooting two he and says the switches are very smooth. i'm looking for more response and 'snappiness'

[ionic breach]

you are looking for tactile I take it?

[tardy aspen]

yes

[ionic breach]

there aren't much decent tactile switches out there

because it's kinda counterintuitive

[tardy aspen]

ah i see, thank you

[loud gull]

I like Geon RAW HE's. But I do miss my tactiles. I need my tactiles.

[peak breach]

they come lubed

[crimson sky]

put ks-22 optical blue click leafs in lekker v2s and make small restrictors behind the leafs to make them tactile

[untold wigeon]

For the Raws? If so 2 days once shipped

[loud gull]

It is a bit fiddly, and I would have to go through all the switches heh.

I'll just wait patiently 😛

[paper bloom]

U cld run 60g and call it tactile LOOL

Cuz ik the 40s are light, and the 50s are an inbetween while the 60s are more recoiled it shld give off that tactile bump feel for the RAWs

[loud gull]

Then it just becomes too heavy in general.

[paper bloom]

I dont find thats the case 4 me

[loud gull]

I used to have Akko Blue Oceans in my custom board before I had the Wooting. Which are pretty light tactiles

[paper bloom]

O nice

I used to run browns

Mx browns

@untold wigeon dis man here has 100g spring

Raws

@loud gull ^^

And his been using it

🗿

So idk ig personal preference

[loud gull]

100gr springs? my god haha

[stone flax]

[loud gull]

thats a whole workout

[stone flax]

good linear right there

[loud gull]

MX Browns were okay, tactile bump and all subtle but pretty nice. Just scratchy really

So when lubed, they were pretty gud

[tidal frigate]

100gr + ceramic keys maaaybe

[stone flax]

break in is tasty

[paper bloom]

Ye

Ive used reds

[loud gull]

Insane haha. Probably the only way to support the cera keys aye

[paper bloom]

Idk if its me but i find the 60gs kinda like the mx reds leaf switches cuz i ran a tofu

And the rebound is hella fast

[tidal frigate]

Thocky sound

[stone flax]

I mean both are 60ish gram bottom out

[paper bloom]

He has cerakeys with 100g raw

[stone flax]

so ofc u think that

[paper bloom]

Ye

[tidal frigate]

1kg switch spring when

[paper bloom]

Ive legit used 60gs for like 2 months now ever since i phased out of the l45s

[loud gull]

I got 40gr for base layout, 50gr for my sticky overlubed stabs lol

[paper bloom]

The 60g actually fixed the stab ping for me lol

[loud gull]

Sound test anywhere? 😄

[paper bloom]

Lemme check frijoles utube rq

He has it

https://youtu.be/9dtTqKNbBq8?si=NZGNGMdz1NNMefvM

^im 100% certain his running 100gs

In this vid

But i can ask him again if u want

[loud gull]

Does sound kinda nice. But these arent the cera aye

[tidal frigate]

Spacebar is only cerakey

[paper bloom]

O

Mb then

[loud gull]

You tried the full keyboard with cera?

[paper bloom]

Me? Na

But ive seen felt something like ceras textures on the cement wall 😂

Cuz i can tell they polished it

And it was about the same polishing finish

[loud gull]

feel is something else yeah, tried it on clackycon. Sound is pretty good with them tho

[paper bloom]

Thats nice

[tidal frigate]

@loud gull https://youtu.be/cr826KAalfw?si=fIQvfquKNy4iHQGi cerakey content guy got special strap

[exotic inlet]

I'm in love with those keycaps

[untold wigeon]

They are awesome. No misclicks with them. They are with Cerakeys to be fair.

[paper bloom]

Its still fuckin heavy dude

U got some powerful rock climbers fingers LPL

LOL*

But idk how much would the cerakeys weigh tho esp with a 100g

When combined

[loud gull]

Yeah love to see more variants of straps. Also on aliexpress they pop up I believe. It is nice that it gets a bit easier to get.

Now I just need full cera key + geon raw sound test heh

[tidal frigate]

Spacebar around 45-60gram

[untold wigeon]

@loud gull those are the Cerakey with Raw and 100g springs

[paper bloom]

Its the on youtube right ?

Which i sent or a diff one ?

[untold wigeon]

Yes that’s my indigo Cerakey set

[paper bloom]

O nice

[untold wigeon]

Not different

[paper bloom]

Lucky me

Thanks for the clarification

[tidal frigate]

Now we have to findout how it sounds on 80he!

[paper bloom]

I shall now use ur videos when ppl needs a sound test

[loud gull]

Ohh lemme check

[untold wigeon]

No problem. I don’t know why Sander thinks they aren’t Cerakeys

[paper bloom]

Its the same youtube video i sent

As well

[untold wigeon]

It is

[paper bloom]

Probs cuz of the indigo

Cuz cerakeys are iconic in white

[untold wigeon]

That’s my thought

[paper bloom]

And the shine is lesser on video

Probs

[tidal frigate]

@untold wigeon in vid description you got gmk keycaps

[untold wigeon]

Because they are covered in fingerprints lol.

[paper bloom]

Ye

[untold wigeon]

Really? Is it a combination video?

[loud gull]

Second video is a bit lower in volume it seems. Probably like different recording then?

[tidal frigate]

https://youtu.be/9dtTqKNbBq8?si=rph-Xzo87AR1arqo

This one

[untold wigeon]

That one I was messing with foams so they willl all sound very different

[tidal frigate]

Another company expense, cerakey keycap set, 100g geon raws for video

[untold wigeon]

This one is Pom with foam and polyfill

[untold wigeon]

The 100gs he can just take from work. lol.

[tidal frigate]

Oh ye

Forgot

He could go to werehouse and take 100g set

[paper bloom]

@untold wigeon me and chiem have talked about a gasket spring mounted

PCB cardboard

XD

So in the coming weeks i will see with him on what wld be a good idea to mount it

[elfin garnet]

Yeah I live here. Was curious if it was possible to order from there from outside of Norway. IG not. If you really want it I don't mind buying it here and sending it to you.

[untold wigeon]

Interesting

[thorny jetty]

anyone else watching the gateron new he switches stream on youtube

[paper bloom]

He has a cardboard case

[thorny jetty]

I dont understand the language, but im happy to be here

[elfin garnet]

[untold wigeon]

That’s insane

[gusty patio]

were they showing them

[sacred jay]

wait just realized my 100gs could support my cerakeys

i got them on my other board though 🤷 non-struggle

[worn ocean]

are you kneeling infront of a kitchenchair for the typing test?

[paper bloom]

Ye

[untold wigeon]

No. It’s on my dining room chair which has 5 inches of padding so it isolates the sound of the keyboard.

I was sitting next to it

[thorny jetty]

yea

[untold wigeon]

They do it very well

Takes some getting used to

[elfin garnet]

🔥

[gusty patio]

can you drop link. not seeing it on their yt channel

[tropic urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/live/yUsyM96kfLA?feature=shared

@gusty patio

[gusty patio]

great thanks

[tropic urchin]

They did a max test towards the 1:00:00 - 1:13:46 timeframe if you’re looking for that

[stone flax]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1F5D8FXA630CObd-ArWXN45APur95e6R?feature=shared

[copper glade]

What do y’all think

[stone flax]

sounds like a keyboard

[untold wigeon]

Silents are no where near silent

lol

[stone flax]

this has been expected

since people compared the renders

and found theyre the same exact silencing method as zero degree

where they but dampening bumpers on top housing

thing had 0 chance to be a silent switch

[marsh saffron]

They sound like shit

Was so hopeful for them to be good

[untold wigeon]

Yes. They were the only ones I was looking forward to

[marsh saffron]

Oh well let's me get my money's worth with my dashes

Hopefully over the next 6 months to a year some good silent HEs come out

[copper glade]

yes but are the stabs good?

i got the knight v2 screw in stabs

[stone flax]

did u screw the enter and back space properly

[stray tiger]

Do you think they are good?

[analog rivet]

any mod for wireless?

[cedar gate]

Is TX AP still the best stabs

[glacial wind]

Knight v2 more popular nowadays probably, but tx ap is still good

[stone flax]

when was it ever

._.

[stray tiger]

The TX AP's are solid but very finicky. Knights are the safer choice for sure but honestly almost all quality stabs can be tuned to sound great.

[pulsar schooner]

I’m a goblin, just clicky (gateron melodics for home row, the rest are ajazz kiwis) on home row on my work keyboard.

[cedar gate]

Thanks ill check them out

Are they available in long pole

[glacial wind]

Knights are both lp and normal yea

[cedar gate]

K can you link them

[cedar gate]

K thx

[glacial wind]

You’d need to check your local dealer normally unless you buy from swagkeys but high shipping

[stray tiger]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=knight+stabilizers+v2

[stray tiger]

How are v2's vs the originals?

[gusty patio]

Thanks, nice to see them compared like this. Hope to see someone use em in their wooting soon against the raws. Still don't think any of these jades will convince me to swap away from that but I'd like to hear how they go in that zinc case

[glacial wind]

Bit tighter, I like em so far

[stone flax]

raws better

[cedar gate]

That site is actually really cool lol

[stone flax]

if u have v1s no need to upgrade but theyre definitely nicer in terms of reducing the alr tiny amount of rattle

its at the point where i lowkey cant distinguish either or tho

[stray tiger]

Ive got a few packs of v1's here but havent needed to upgrade stabs in a while.

[gusty patio]

I'd like to think so too.. Price aside, I think the max sounds best here but in a direct comparison raws should still be more towards my preference

[stone flax]

impossible to consider price aside tho

even if wooting modding gets expensive a dollar per switch is still a crazy ask when raws are just as good

[stray tiger]

Also, side note. Stock 80HE stabs are really solid. They do need re-lubing to shine though.

[gusty patio]

You aren't wrong but if they sounded way better I would have probably considered it. But they don't

[gilded hinge]

any new switches I havent been in this channel for a hot minute

[polar girder]

Raw HE

[jade star]

Do we suggest lubing the raw he’s or is the stock pretty solid

[stray tiger]

I recommend hand lubing all switches but only you can decide if its worth the time/money

Factory will never be as good/thorough as you will be

[untold wigeon]

@stray tiger you have a Pom plate from hypekeyboards right?

[stray tiger]

Yes sir. Think it's on my Frog

[untold wigeon]

Do you also have Durock v3 stabs?

[stray tiger]

I don't have any v3's, have tons of v2's if that helps

[untold wigeon]

I was looking specifically for the v3s. I was seeing if you tried them together. I couldn’t get the durock stabs to fit the Pom plate.

[stray tiger]

Other stabs work fine?

[untold wigeon]

I got the stock Wooting stabs in but it’s basically an interference fit.

Super tight.

[stray tiger]

Tune those stock stabs and call it a day! I've probably got 15 sets of new stabs next to me and I'm literally tuning stock stabs while we are chatting

[untold wigeon]

Yeah I retuned them before I put it back together. Some binding but it’s getting better with use.

[marsh saffron]

Is that the 80he pcb?

[untold wigeon]

Hah! The fishbowl is awesome

What is right shift sitting on?

[stray tiger]

Thanks my gf had it made for me lol

Just a jade for testing

[untold wigeon]

She’s talented

[untold wigeon]

But what is it sitting on? No plate that I can see

Oh it’s the stab wire. Nvm

[stray tiger]

Well she paid someone hah. Its not sitting on anything. Just direct on the PCB to check for ticking

[cedar gate]

You have 80HE?

[stray tiger]

Shhh

[cedar gate]

🤣 tell us your secrets

[stray tiger]

I believe all wooting employees and volunteers have one already for pre-release testing (if they bought one)

[cedar gate]

Cool is the typing experience similar to a gasket mounted pc plate screw in stab 60he

I wish the 60 and 2 he came stock with all those things

[stray tiger]

I can't talk about much until after the embargo lifts but in this case I can honestly tell you I don't know as I ripped it apart before doing any typing on it

[cedar gate]

🤣 a true modder

[stray tiger]

However, if it matters, I did order another module today, so my initial reactions are positive

[cedar gate]

I saw the opening the tech inside looks cool

[cedar gate]

I'm debating whether or not to get one when it releases

Would you recommend I do like my modded 60he

[stray tiger]

If you have the need and the budget, I highly recommend it.

If you don't need an 80%, then your 60 is perfectly fine

[cedar gate]

Yeah I should probably stick with it

With function layers it's basically 80% anyways

[stray tiger]

For sure! Prior to the 80HE I reduced my collection down to 60% boards only with a single 65% for when I needed dedicated arrows

[cedar gate]

I use mod tap for the arrows and it works great I just remind rshift menu ctrl and fn to arrow and if I hold it I get the real function

[fluid ravine]

yurrrr

[stray tiger]

Sometimes dedicated arrows are very helpful, especially if you work in console often

[cedar gate]

What're your keycaps like

To match that rgb I mean

[fluid ravine]

GMK 80082

The BooBs keycaps

[stone flax]

i love boobs

havent mounted them on anything rn

[cedar gate]

🤣🤣

[cedar gate]

Woah that matches perfectly

Can you send a pic

[fluid ravine]

with the RGB?

[fluid ravine]

I have it on AOE btw

0% base brightness

[cedar gate]

Thats actually sick 👍👍

Rn I run no rgb on my typing profile maybe I'll try some FX

[fluid ravine]

Yeah in my typing profile i have AOE set to that

and my gaming profile i onyl have red turned on for ESC and ENTER

[left depot]

Dont forget about this discount btw peeps

[fluid ravine]

NUH UH

[cedar gate]

You guys gotta partner up with wooting like gatreon

[stray tiger]

Ordered more yesterday!

[stone flax]

last i heard wooting is in the proccess of stocking raws

[fluid ravine]

Huge

[stray tiger]

Working out the details still but fingers crossed. I wouldnt expect it soon and if you want them now, I'd take advantage of the discount.

[stone flax]

yeah deffo seemed like something that was a bit out there timeline wise but im loving what it means for geon spread and shipping costs for buyers

[cedar gate]

Huge

Geon really messed up with raptors but more than made up for it with RAW

[stray tiger]

I wouldnt say he messed up, he took a shot and then improved on it.

[cedar gate]

Yeah the magnet issue was a big problem tho

The RAWs are kind of like the perfected raptors

[calm pulsar]

raws are a different switch

closed bottom

[stray tiger]

“If you're not prepared to be wrong, you'll never come up with anything original.” or “Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.”

[cedar gate]

Not closed i think

I think it's partially open

Could be wrong tho

[stray tiger]

yes

[calm pulsar]

it is, but the bottom out is there as opposed to lekkers and raptors

[cedar gate]

Yeah I saw a small hole in my raws it was a small hole so I didn't know if that counts as fully closed but didn't think it does

[cedar gate]

Yeah

One thing I like about getting switches from wooting is that any long pole switch comes with long pole stabs

[calm pulsar]

yeah I guess they will include the long pole stab stems with the raws too, since they are likely to be sold on wooting some time soon

[cedar gate]

I prefer long pole switches with light springs like speed silvers so that's much better for me imo

It's more on wooting but I don't have to go buy stabs seperately

[stray tiger]

I dont even use LP stabs or swap the stems. Ive only ever had an issue on one board and I used stem spacers and that worked wel enough

[plush fulcrum]

Are there still compatibility issues with the latest batch of Everglide Sticky Rice switches? My friend bought some maybe three weeks ago for his new 60HE module and he said he's had no input issues

[stone flax]

not really

its a different switch entirely

[calm pulsar]

I don't have any issues on gmk either, it's just the fact that the stab stems are not fully inside the keycap bothers me 😄

plus if you press with force it tilts around, which probably won't happen on long pole stems but I will test this when I do a build with my frog

I will try using TX AP long pole stems with cherry clip in housings, or just TX AP housings if the plate fits them

[stone flax]

it is functionally closed bottom

[stray tiger]

So its the idea of the space that bothers you? If so, just get some geon spacers or 3d print some if you have a printer

[calm pulsar]

I also feel like there is a tad less rattle/imbalance when you have spacers or long pole stabs

I will order geon spacers when I make an order next, but for now will try the long pole stems that I have on hand

[elfin garnet]

I used geon spacers on my last GMK set, but the one I use now sits much tighter and there's no need

So there's definitely some inconsistenties even with GMK sets

[fluid ravine]

i just want my spacebar to fully bottom out

[calm pulsar]

wait how is it not bottoming out fully for you?

[fluid ravine]

cus the switch bottom out before the stabs does

It also shows to prove that the keycap would be the problem when everyone has the shorter travel distance issue

like mine doesn't like shift side to side like crazy

very slight

[calm pulsar]

yeah they tilt for me too if I move them

[stone flax]

can i see how it tilts for yall

[fluid ravine]

mk

ig by some point i will get geon spacers

[stray tiger]

Ive only ever had noticeable tilting on one board, which isnt using GMK keycaps

[fluid ravine]

or maybe just tx ap plate mount long poles so i can use these somewhere else

[calm pulsar]

@stone flax

[cedar gate]

Yeah I wasn't sure if the hole was so small it was classified as a Closed bottom or not

[stone flax]

+-

[calm pulsar]

it's like I can willingly balance the keycap around lol

[stray tiger]

That little bit of wobble before you press it happens on every board

[stone flax]

yeah i was gonna say

doesnt look too out of the ordinary

[stone flax]

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

[calm pulsar]

yeah the little wobble was present one lekkers too

[stone flax]

yeah thats not really a problem imo

[stray tiger]

The hard pressing on the edge though, that's what you need lp stabs or spacers to resolve. So if you press hard edges on your mods, then yeah

[fluid ravine]

my 2u stabs are fine

[stone flax]

unless its serious see sawing or noticable in real use

[fluid ravine]

like the see saw is like so small its not that bad

[calm pulsar]

nah that's the thing, not noticeable in real use, but if I can just add spacers or long pole stabs, why not 😄

[stone flax]

im boutta send what true seesawing looks like

hold up

[fluid ravine]

same thing with the spacebar but again my stab stems on my spacebar dont bottom out all the way so it's really uneven

[stray tiger]

I just didnt want him to think that even with LP stabs or spacersa that the little wobble would go away

[fluid ravine]

i remember

[calm pulsar]

yeah I understand

[stone flax]

now thats an issue ^^

[calm pulsar]

it seems like you could damage the keycaps stems there

[fluid ravine]

The l60's with them bottom out perfectly

[stone flax]

its not really a set i care about xd

and im running full travels on it

[stray tiger]

Yeah, thats what I meant when I said Ive only had that happen one on board and it only happened with a particular set that wasnt GMK in my case

[stone flax]

for sure

when people say the seesawing is bad with reduced travels its kinda exaggerated

even with spacers or lp stabs

there is wobble

[stray tiger]

Yep

[stone flax]

']

''

oops

[stray tiger]

Reminder that GMK Cosmos launches this Sunday if you're planning to order.

[agile grove]

lekker v2s are pretty nice

just installed them on my board

they’re a lot better than v1s that’s for sure

[stray tiger]

I'm planning to lube mine on Sunday if time allows.

[lime sigil]

what are yalls thoughts on the ez60/63 im in-between 60he or ez60/63

ik im in the wooting server so yall are gonna be bias asf but

[wraith widget]

Never heard of it

[fluid ravine]

Bias af 😭

wild

but yeah never heard of the ez60

[lime sigil]

😭

[untold wigeon]

Never heard of it

Can’t have bias if no one here knows what you’re talking about. lol.

[lime sigil]

the ez63...

yk like

[stone flax]

yeah in know it big guy

[lime sigil]

https://ez.iqunix.com/

[stone flax]

i just told you about it

[untold wigeon]

You can type it again but I still don’t know what it is

[stone flax]

its a stronger board on paper but again

that software is cooked

💀

[lime sigil]

i sent this msg before i sent the other one lmaoo

[inner tapir]

but is it gonna be getting updates for years and years

and does it have a 4year warranty

[stone flax]

???

why are u being a salesman

tf

[lime sigil]

LMAOOO

[untold wigeon]

Is this another one of those “competitors” who don’t have software anywhere near complete or even remotely working but are supposed competition?

[stone flax]

ig u can say that

but thats unwarranted for everything

some of these boards are cool

[untold wigeon]

They can and sometimes are cool as shit but without the software what’s the point.

[stone flax]

i never said the opposite

geons da goat

[untold wigeon]

I never said you did. lol

[stone flax]

i dont see a wooting pcb having her

[untold wigeon]

Wooting could probably make a fortune licensing Wootility to manufacturers

Holy60?

[calm pulsar]

weebass60

[stone flax]

100 yuans resin60

[untold wigeon]

But not all of us are 17 and want thirst trap anime mamas on our boards lol

[stone flax]

[stray tiger]

I mean I don't mind it but I feel that

[sonic crystal]

If my wooting keyboard doesn't have an anime waifu, instant refund

[sonic crystal]

Speak for yourself buddy

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/kirakirakrystal-twitch-streamer-thirsty-streamer-drink-gif-17508949

[cold bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-drink-spongebob-thirsty-lemonade-gif-25859544

[untold wigeon]

Lemme guess. You’re staff now too?

[little glen]

No

[untold wigeon]

Did they actually start shipping them?

[little glen]

If you pay erik 150000 dollars he will hand deliver your keyboard in a day

[cold bloom]

bro got all the cases

you guys hiring?

[untold wigeon]

@cold bloom you and I need staff positions asap

[cold bloom]

real

I'm tired of this resident salary

[untold wigeon]

I’d gladly take a work from home job building and testing keebs. Sounds like a dream

[cold bloom]

agreed

[feral gull]

share fr

[fluid ravine]

well well well

[fluid ravine]

finna be my dream job

I need a part time job wooting!

[untold wigeon]

I have a large unused basement. You can use it for us based storage lol.

[sweet oak]

[static tendon]

Hey @harsh dove how have the o rings held up on the salvation?

[harsh dove]

O rings?

[static tendon]

Yeah like the gasket mounted screws

[harsh dove]

The leaf springs?

[static tendon]

Front my understanding I thought you added a little silicone ring between these 2 leaf springs since it kept loosening up over time

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong though

[harsh dove]

Nah I put Purple Loctite on those screws and then I burger mounted the PCB

[static tendon]

Meaning you added a silicone ring to this screw?

I wanted to try it as well

[harsh dove]

yessir

[uneven cradle]

Raw HEs should be here Monday

[feral gull]

w

[static tendon]

Also @harsh dove, been a bit of a while, any recent changes to the Wooting?

[calm pulsar]

stacked out

[harsh dove]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message This my most recent besides adding PBTfans Emma

[static tendon]

Nice! This your favorite build so far with the wooting?

[harsh dove]

yeah

[calm pulsar]

damn I havent seen this one, awesome

might be the dream sound

[feral gull]

real

[stone flax]

what o rings

[stone flax]

ah yeah

burger

i thought you were trying to gummy oring in a salvation

[calm pulsar]

Dr Dave did that I think 😄

[stone flax]

Why buy salvation atp

[calm pulsar]

so I was browsing geon's local korean store and it seems venom60he are already selling there👀

probably gonna order today, along with a frog mini plate and some spacers

[obsidian tusk]

any notable difference between Raptor HE Gaming and geon raw he ?

[calm pulsar]

raw he have a semi-closed bottom, making them closer in feeling and sound to jades / normal mechanical switches

you will feel a pronounced bottom out

because the stem will be hitting plastic at the bottom

[harsh dove]

These wide flat brushes are god tier for lubing stabs

[stone flax]

reduced travel

functionally closed bottom

better tolerances

light diffuser

[cold bloom]

I tried a few new things with my salvation, I now have no poron foam pads under the 2 mounting leafs and also the 2 next to the top side of the weight, the flex now is really nice lol

I wouldn't wanna go further tho

also I switched from burger mounting my pcb in the salvation to using a small rubber cover over the metal standoffs you screw into as well as 1 of those spacers for pcb mounteds stabs on each also

I saw xinxinwong made a video comparing diff mounting styles for the redemption and the small spacer sounds a bit better if you mount it above the pcb not under like I did, but I couldn't get above to work

[quiet bay]

holyy

3 cases for one module

😂

[rigid temple]

does anyone know which places i should put the standoffs in the tofu 60 redux for 60he

[calm pulsar]

you dont really need any standoffs, the 4 points (2 on each side) are enough to mount a wooting pcb

the standoff in the center and in spacebar area are optional and most ppl intentionally don't put them for better sound

[rigid temple]

ok, thanks this is my first time modding so I wasnt sure what to do

are there any downside to not adding it

[calm pulsar]

I personally havent found any downside and I never used additional standoffs

I'd say if you add them it will make the sound even more uneven in the spacebar and center area, because there will be additional pressure on the pcb

[rigid temple]

ok and to connect the module to the case you use the screws provided in the tofu?

[calm pulsar]

any will do
I personally used the wooting screws

but the tofu ones are a bit longer iirc, so if you do the burger mount (silicone orings on the screws), then you might want to choose tofu screws

[rigid temple]

if I don’t add any standoffs then are the only screws I should put in the 2 and left and 2 on right

[calm pulsar]

yes, these ones
you don't need to add any standoffs to them, they are already prepared for mounting the pcb with the screws

[rigid temple]

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. I am going to try and build it soon.

[calm pulsar]

glad to help
have fun with your build

[cold bloom]

Im pretty sure those are the only points geon used in the new frog mini leggera t too despite it being just a generic dz60 mounting style, he decided to remove the middle and spacebar standoff

which I think is much better

[calm pulsar]

yeah and my freebird60 doesn't have them either

[cold bloom]

oh dope

I wanna dremel them outta my tofu

they're just useless for me

but no dremel

[calm pulsar]

with friciton mount you might even drill all of them out except for the edge ones lol

[polar girder]

That’s exciting. Nice

I fking hate the middle stand off

[calm pulsar]

yeah Im preparing a whole list lol
will also order clear sw knight v2s and geon spacers to make em "long pole"

[calm pulsar]

all my homies hate the middle standoff

[robust siren]

So like.... UPS mightve lost my package with all the mods for the wooting (its been 4 days since the order was placed)

the package started in cali and thats the last i saw of it

[cold bloom]

honestly

also you gotta try the new geon friction mount trick

if you haven't

bit of 205 on the oring after it's installed

made a world of a difference for mine, it used to get stuck and not sit right now it sits perfectly

I used my finger and just put a bit on the oring until it felt a bit sticky then got a bit more

[calm pulsar]

oh that's cool, would be helpful cause I have scuffed orings from aliexpress that aren't as soft as some of bakeneko60 rings that ya'll can order 😄

[cold bloom]

yeah even with my softer one I found it got stuck a bit weird to one side of the case

the right on mine

[calm pulsar]

but im building my wooting in a frog soon so might not care about that for a while lol

[cold bloom]

nice that'll be dope

I wanna get the new frog mini for my wooting for now

[calm pulsar]

yeah also I think the color selection might be nice for leggera cases, cause they are cheaper to produce

[cold bloom]

also true

I like the carbon fibre back weight

also like a lighter case for my wooting, that's why it's in the tofu over the salvation rn

I love the salvation for typing but for gaming it's a bit heavy

[calm pulsar]

yeah I always move my keyboard into the gamer position and back to normal when typing

[stone flax]

@harsh dove which standoffs are u using in ur frog?

[cold bloom]

yeah same I just find it's nicer to have a lighter case to be able to adjust it when I'm gaming

[harsh dove]

tadpoles?

60a

[stone flax]

no

like

of the standoffs

which ones are u using

[harsh dove]

All of them

[stone flax]

ic

[harsh dove]

I've tried only corners and none in the spacebar before

[stone flax]

was debating whether to run corners only

[harsh dove]

just depends on the overall build

Yeah

[stone flax]

do you like all standoffs more then?

[harsh dove]

Try all the variations and see what you like

[stone flax]

hmmm

[harsh dove]

For my current build, yeah

[stone flax]

which build did u prefer corners only

[harsh dove]

When I had my Alu plate

[stone flax]

yeah hmmm

i have a soft plate in

[harsh dove]

Yeah same, POM

[stone flax]

worried removing those stand offs might mess

[harsh dove]

I felt like I could hear the POM flexing and hitting the case personally

just a tiny bit

[stone flax]

yowzas

[harsh dove]

guess it depends how hard you type too

[wheat trail]

do the raw he switches have less accuracy than the lekkers v2 talking about the magnet? are there any tests that can measure that, comparing them with lekkers?
I remember seeing someone saying that the jades are way less accurate than the lekkers

[stray tiger]

If the magnet strength is within the range of the sensor then the accuracy is identical regardless of the switch

The jades are just as accurate as the lekkers as are the raws

[wheat trail]

I am trying to find a message from someone that was using a tool to measure in which mm did the key actually work with jades and lekkers and the lekkers were more consistent in that test

i really can't find it anymore, i think that person was using a tool from wooting

[wheat trail]

yep they were using this tool #1196768306602983494 message

[cedar gate]

Geon did have problems with the raptors magnets but they have been fixed in the RAWS

[wheat trail]

I see, are there any tests with that analog monitor thing? i found some of the messages that mention that thing about the jades for example, #🌟│wooting80he message

[cedar gate]

That's not true lol

They are all made by the same manufacturer gatreon

Geons have a different manufacturer but they are just as accurate

RAW is my favorite switch rn

[calm pulsar]

new lekkers are made by grain gold iirc, but yeah they're all good pretty much
especially with the new firmware that's coming

[cedar gate]

Oh fr I didn't know that

[calm pulsar]

yeah grain gold makes black knights and geon switches too if im not mistaken

@stray tiger might be able to confirm

[wheat trail]

i am debating between l60/45 v2 or raws and i would like to know how precise they are, i like the sound of both tbh and the price is similar for me

i am kind of worried because people say that "lekkers are more precise" most of the times and also there are only a few reviews of the v2 switches sadly

[cedar gate]

They definitely arent

[cedar gate]

They don't sound or feel similar irl so I would go with RAW

[wheat trail]

Thanks for your recommendation, have you tried both of them? I mostly would like to use them for FPS and osu thats why i cared so much about accuracy, they also say that the geons feel better

[cedar gate]

Yes they are much more stable and less rattly

[wheat trail]

Thanks i will go with the raws then!

[cedar gate]

Awesome👍

[cedar gate]

Btw you don't want a specific sound profile right

[glacial wind]

Another satisfied conversion

Glory to geon and all that he touches

[quiet bay]

it's a religion at this point lol

[calm pulsar]

Glory to geon and all that he touches

[fluid ravine]

while yall talk about the RAW he's im over here trying to choose a background image for my monkeytype

frig

[quiet bay]

wha u can have background images for ur monkeytype?

it's always been grey for me LOL

[calm pulsar]

lol I got nothing

[fluid ravine]

you can upload a image link or the pre setting themes they have

i have 80082 on rn

[wheat trail]

I prefer thocc but as long as it sounds good i am fine

[calm pulsar]

yeah it's cool that they have gmk themes

[quiet bay]

oh that kinda sexy

[fluid ravine]

indeed

[quiet bay]

I should do the same thing lol

[fluid ravine]

Settings (Next to the monkeytype logo top left)>themes

[quiet bay]

i likey

[fluid ravine]

ah yeee

[calm pulsar]

oh is this keeb layout below helpful?

[quiet bay]

I dont use it I just have it there 😂

never bothered to get rid of it

[calm pulsar]

never had it by default lol

[quiet bay]

ig I tweaked something before

it look ok there so Ima just keep it

[calm pulsar]

I guess it might be helpful if you have precision difficulties when touch typing

[robust siren]

got any advice to on how to retrain my right hand for typing 😭

[fluid ravine]

wdym

[quiet bay]

just keep typing

[robust siren]

i only use my index and very rarely middle finger to type

[calm pulsar]

what you do with your right hand then

[quiet bay]

oh

[fluid ravine]

oh

[quiet bay]

Just gonna have to slowly build up muscle memory

you need to do it right

just go slow

[fluid ravine]

going fast with bad accuracy is pointless

i slowly went from 3 fingers from both hands to like 4 fingers both hands

(except pinky on my left iyk what i mean)

fancing typing be like

[cedar gate]

Was 80082 intentional 🤣 I can't get over that

[calm pulsar]

when you elevate your pinky it types in italics

[fluid ravine]

indeed

[fluid ravine]

yeth

at this point i should get a BooBs desk mat 😂

lul

should get these two right here for the meme

[stone flax]

8008 is literally a bra

[fluid ravine]

lol

[fluid ravine]

haha

[robust siren]

best mousepad

[uneven cradle]

everyone needs a bit of big bunny in the setup

[paper bloom]

I just need a anime girl glass pad

and thats it for me

[robust siren]

ill probably start when my raw he’s come in cause theyre lighter

[calm pulsar]

I dunno I only got frogs and snails in my setup

[robust siren]

from glsswrks?

[paper bloom]

Yes

Im currently running the kazemi

[robust siren]

theres a new one on their twitter

[paper bloom]

Na i aint getting that sadly

[robust siren]

its 340 on ebay 😭

[paper bloom]

I got it for cheaper

And authorized retailer got it for 217

[robust siren]

do you know how many they do per run?

[paper bloom]

3333

^This is a one time thing

They'll run blanks

Maybe

idk

[paper bloom]

The kazemi is running 3333

And it is limited so ye

[robust siren]

red would go with my pbtfan keycaps and hyperx quadcast….

[paper bloom]

I wanted to get a yuki aim cuz ive heard people are using it for control/speed based

But i said fuck it and went for a kazemi and not regretting it now

[glacial wind]

The mousepad companies must be so happy that they discovered the limited edition design mousepad marketing path

[paper bloom]

Na its the glasspad companies

but they are really something else and its hella easy to maintain as to compare with cloth since it is glass

Also boardzy has his own limited edition release artisan XXL

[glacial wind]

Legit just selling the same product over and over and over with slightly different anime girl design and the collectors buy it all like it’s old streetware fashion days

[paper bloom]

Tbf i can see the appeal to it if you want your wall to have anime women

[cedar gate]

Tenz: I actually think my dad has this (he was blindfolded

[paper bloom]

I wouldnt mind having it on my showcase

[paper bloom]

Im p sure tarikk uses it

[robust siren]

i think i remember that

[cedar gate]

🤣

[paper bloom]

Even during valorant pro league

[robust siren]

im just not too sure about glass pads im afraid of shattering them

[paper bloom]

Tempered glass won't shatter that easily

But it depends on what glass youre running

The kazemi has 6 layer construction of tempered glass and heat treated coating so the difference to each glasspads are hella different

[quiet bay]

hows it feel?

[paper bloom]

Fucking great dude better than the saturn since im running control skate feet

Even good for tac FPS, but i dont get why majority of the people say its bad so ye

[paper bloom]

The kazemi is smooth as butter

[glacial wind]

Not bad just not super ideal for folks who want more control

you can still fry on glass mousepad in tact fps, even if it’s not ideal

[paper bloom]

For my case i got hella control so idk ig its the way i move or somethin]

[quiet bay]

looks like they're also going to do a blank one

[paper bloom]

^Those will be unlimited

[robust siren]

how much do you think itll be

[glacial wind]

Probably you aim train a lot if you have same control

[robust siren]

i have no clue how much the average glasspads cost as ive only used cloth

[paper bloom]

I only got like 100-200 hours on aim games

[glacial wind]

Glass pad basically demands user to aim train if they want to use it for tactfps with same control

[paper bloom]

Ig its the overtime training for FPS

[glacial wind]

Otherwise control will 100% suffer

[paper bloom]

Depends

If youre going for the control glass padss

Theyre cheaper

[fluid ravine]

Sup Counter

[paper bloom]

Yo

[glacial wind]

It’s a different world for usage too. You have to use sleeve and get used to hard surface

It’s not for everyone

[paper bloom]

@robust siren https://gamesense.gg/products/sonar

[paper bloom]

im not even running the sleeve rn for my glass pad

Ig loads of factors

[glacial wind]

You have very dry hands?

[paper bloom]

na

Sweaty

[glacial wind]

I don’t know many people who run sleeveless on glass because it gets inconsistent as hell

[paper bloom]

Na not for my case

[calm pulsar]

shouldn't you be running a cardboard pad @paper bloom

[paper bloom]

I wish 😂

[glacial wind]

You might be an extreme exception then

[fluid ravine]

cardboard desk>>

[glacial wind]

Glass really demands most folk use a sleeve, especially if sweaty hands

[paper bloom]

Idk to me its mostly the coating on the glass

100% if it is uncoated you would stick

[glacial wind]

Coating doesn’t matter. I think you’re just an exception here

[paper bloom]

Ig so

XD

[fluid ravine]

seeing alex having this amount of krytox makes me ultra jealous @quiet bay

[paper bloom]

Bro its even worse if you have krytox on your mousepad

🗿

[fluid ravine]

imagine

😭

[paper bloom]

I legit got it

On my saturn

[calm pulsar]

I get krytox on my hybrid deskmat all the time
gladly it is very easy to clean

[fluid ravine]

glass pad ftw haha

[paper bloom]

Ig so

[fluid ravine]

gotta lube your glass pad before use!

[paper bloom]

Boutta coat it with WD40

and call it lube

[fluid ravine]

haha

[robust siren]

imagining the smell makes my head hurt

[calm pulsar]

some krytox for the mouse and dielectric grease for the arm💀

[paper bloom]

LOOL

Yea

Sucks sometimes

[fluid ravine]

HAHA

literally

arm is the wire

mouse is the stem

mousepad is the housing

😂

[calm pulsar]

[robust siren]

i wouldnt be surprised if anyone lubed stabs with wd40

[calm pulsar]

not my pic
tsangan layout looks nice damn

[paper bloom]

I as well

If that case

has a side port

Maybe id cop it

[calm pulsar]

that's the frog mini

[paper bloom]

Ok nvm

not spending 400

[calm pulsar]

I bought the last one on cafege, but they will be restocking some of the leftovers from geon

[fluid ravine]

froggy

when

🐸

[calm pulsar]

literally refreshing the tracking page every hour lol
after this shift if it arrives im zooming to the post office

[paper bloom]

Nice

[fluid ravine]

fwig

[calm pulsar]

it said 09.13 but looks like it'll be here today

[fluid ravine]

👀

[stray tiger]

Headed to bed but here is some interesting switch news

[calm pulsar]

is this the stem? or is it just a graphic representation

[fluid ravine]

the flip

[glacial wind]

Everyone joining the 3.5mm train

[jade storm]

...

Aliexpress pads will shatter

get something quality

[late solstice]

Are L45s really that sensitive? My only keyboard experience is the 60HE and I'm thinking about swapping to L45s and alumaze

What would look better with wooting's black and white wave keycaps, black or white alumaze?

[stone flax]

if u think they are

[stone flax]

its preference

[stone flax]

🐸

[drifting grotto]

Does anyone know what size screws are used to secure the 60he module to the case? Please

[iron bear]

What's wrong with the M2 you've got?

[ocean widget]

7x PH1 M2 White Screws

[drifting grotto]

I wanna see if i can get slightly longer ones and experiment with using 4 orings on a burger mount instead of 2

[drifting grotto]

Thank you

[polar girder]

Why tho

Just cuz closed bottom supremacy or what?

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

Could just be that people like the long pole length honestly

[polar girder]

I don’t even understand switches enough to know why that makes sense lol

[glacial wind]

Its just preference

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[glacial wind]

Like some people like wearing a big watch, some small watch etc

[polar girder]

Yeah but like preference other than sound, yeah?

[glacial wind]

3.5mm means key travel

You know how some folks like low profile switches?

[polar girder]

But synonymous with closed bottom

[fluid ravine]

pulls up dictionary

[polar girder]

But some people are actually choosing 3.5 of travel over 4mm cuz they prefer that factor alone?

[glacial wind]

Closed bottom is just the design. A switch doesn’t have to be 3.5mm to be closed bottom

[polar girder]

Right I’m just speaking so far as it pertains to HE currently

But I understand that

I just would be surprised if someone is choosing 3.5 over 4 cuz 3.5mm travel better. One can tell a difference?

[glacial wind]

It’s called long pole and it’s extremely popular

[polar girder]

I guess I’m over here swapping out spring weight so anything is possible lol

[fluid ravine]

Some can do for sound, some can do for feel. Or both

[glacial wind]

You can 100% tell the difference in switch length

[fluid ravine]

love them long pole switches

[polar girder]

Makes more sense so the MX cuz full travel to actuate

13% shorter travel

[fluid ravine]

Long pole in MX switches would usually bottom out louder in terms of sound as well

[polar girder]

Is it actually long pole with HE?

[glacial wind]

You get used to the distance too so once you get used to long pole you tend to like other long pole switches

[fluid ravine]

nah

[polar girder]

I feel like they just shorten it with closed bottom

[fluid ravine]

yup it is

[polar girder]

But MX actually longer stem pole

[polar girder]

Fair

[glacial wind]

It’s just the expression we use because it’s fake long pole but no one is going to spend 5 minutes explaining the difference

[fluid ravine]

The lengths of these stems are pretty much the same size (can't prove that cus i dont got calipers and all of them switches lik CAM)

[glacial wind]

So we just say long pole and be done with it

[polar girder]

For sure. I just never actually comprehended what long pole meant lol

Long pole not closed bottom HE when?

[fluid ravine]

Another thing to point out is that these switches have shorter travel distance due to the closed housing under the magnets being thicker

[polar girder]

If Mx long pole louder too tho I don’t think I have an interest

[glacial wind]

You’re in a very small crowd of people that prefer open bottom switches

[polar girder]

lol

[fluid ravine]

like RAW he would be like idk .1mm thicker than the jades for example

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m realizing that

[glacial wind]

The companies aren’t that incentivised to develop a ton of open bottom switches that people don’t like

[polar girder]

I mean I’m an ignorant keyboard nerd for sure

Right

[fluid ravine]

like both closed and opened tbh

only preference i can get out of these switches are which sounds more cleaner

[glacial wind]

I just don’t like the hollowness of open bottom

[fluid ravine]

i feel that sometimes

for me it sounds horrible on gmk

[polar girder]

Closed bottom (from my HE experience) all seem to be loud and clacky

[glacial wind]

The sound is so mushy and non distinct

[polar girder]

Don’t like that

[fluid ravine]

i mean goes for say i like pbt on them open housings while double shot abs for the closed ones

[polar girder]

Yeah I lowkey feel like I might get the cosmos and not even love them

[glacial wind]

it's just a HE thing. No one has figured out how to do closed bottom thock yet

[fluid ravine]

would even use tape mod or something that would accentuate the volume of these open bottom housings

[polar girder]

Fair

[glacial wind]

normally closed bottom vs open bottom has nothing to do with clacky, just that with HE the switches all lean towards clack already

[polar girder]

Yeah I mean all I know is HE

lol

I’m excited for the evolution

[glacial wind]

i'm sure at some point someone will figure it out and you'll get a wuque morandi type thock closed he switch

[fluid ravine]

specs on morandi?

[glacial wind]

that's the creamy distinct thock sound that a lot of the thock guys chase

[polar girder]

Whatever that is. Sounds dope

[glacial wind]

they're 3.5mm long poles

[glacial wind]

basically this in the second half of the video (ignore the old lekkers at start lol)

[glacial wind]

that's the marbly thock that a lot of folks are looking for that hasn't been made yet for HE

[polar girder]

Not loading on phone. Will have to watch on computer tomorrow. Thank you.

Nice

Sounds promising lol

[fluid ravine]

ideal switch material for you?

pretty sure we asked each other this a few months back but im curious if you have any changes

some say black inks haha]

[drifting grotto]

Would you happen to know the length as well?