🔧│keyboard_modding

[polar girder]

Plus that fat Woot discount

Geon the goat

[stone flax]

raws better

[old swallow]

thats the whole reason i looked into the raws, only then did i realize they were such a good price

[teal geode]

what are some good thick cream keycaps ?

[stone elbow]

keebmat arrived 🥳

[fluid ravine]

YIPEEEE

:D

what color did you get

[stone elbow]

i got the light gray felt

so it matches the acrylic tofu and xray keycaps

[fluid ravine]

ay same

[robust siren]

does anyone have experience with 40 gram geon raws? im buying from Divinikey (50 grams are sold out) since im also getting different items at the same time and shipping from Geon is a little expensive for just switches

[fluid ravine]

may i see a picture?

i originally was gonna get a medium grey to "match" my case

but i decided a light grey as well cus it fits my overall setup/desk

[fluid ravine]

o yeah that looks real nice

[stone elbow]

I took 60% and it does fit very nice with good margins

[fluid ravine]

yeah i got 60% as wlel

tbh

i thought the 60 would barely fit

but i was wrong

fits well

[stone elbow]

Idk who had the keebmat that almost didn't fit their board

[fluid ravine]

this is such a bad angle 😂

i think dave is gonna get a 65%

[stone elbow]

Aaah right

[fluid ravine]

although he has like a tofu and a salvation

i think he needs another a bigger size for bauer

just a guess

[fluid ravine]

Is there a preference you like in your springs?

[robust siren]

i would like something lighter than the lekker60s, they are a bit heavy when im typing a lot

[stone flax]

geon has a discount code

[robust siren]

shipping costs the same as the switches 🥲

[fluid ravine]

50g is a good choice but i also think jumping from 60 to 40 is huge

but then at the same time you could also possible like the 40 as well

[robust siren]

acutally shipping is more than just the switches alone lol

[cold bloom]

me? I got the 60%

for my wooting

[fluid ravine]

is*

are you planning to get like a bigger one?

cus i swore someone said that

[cold bloom]

oh keebmat

[fluid ravine]

i just dont remember who

[cold bloom]

I thought you meant evil dolch

[fluid ravine]

who

[cold bloom]

I misread

[fluid ravine]

na na

[stone elbow]

surprisingly there's a difference i can hear between with or without keebmat even on a deskpad

[cold bloom]

I will get a bigger keebmat sometime but probably tkl

[fluid ravine]

mmk

[cold bloom]

to fit everything better

[fluid ravine]

ima stick with a small layout for a really long time

[robust siren]

i mean

[fluid ravine]

Wooting doing me well with the mod taps and everything

still want need a mx board tho

[robust siren]

i guess i can buy the 40 grams and if i decide theyre too light i can get the geon spring replacement set

[stone flax]

what are u looking for

?

[stone elbow]

i thought i was gonna miss the f keys and arrows when going 60%, it's such a nice layout cuz i don't have to move my hands as much

[fluid ravine]

no clue

havent decide yet

cus im still wanting to like finishing up my wooting build

it's getting there

[stone flax]

i rly wanted a spyder

[stone elbow]

hmm i would go 50g, it's a safe middleground

[fluid ravine]

I want to finish my wooting till i get a new MX board

[stone flax]

frog mini owners: what tadpoles are u running

pls

[jade storm]

LekkerCry

[fluid ravine]

Just need to get some curve domed bumpons as my feet replacements and the CF plate that frijoles gonna send me

[fluid ravine]

ik CAM is runnign 60A

no clue abt the others lul

[stone flax]

when u wanna play

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder what tadpoles did you end up using

[jade storm]

guuy

[teal geode]

what are some thick pbt cream coloured keycaps

[jade storm]

you've asked me like three times and i've said yes every time

i've been waiting on you lol

[stone flax]

damn

when u wanna play tho

[jade storm]

no]

[stone flax]

[robust siren]

alright, thanks ill just wait for the restock then

[fluid ravine]

you can look at some cannonkeys keycaps

like the NicePBT

or CannonCaps

[polar girder]

50a

Ngl I just swapped to the softest ones and said fk it lol

So idk how they all compare just figured would help with lowest softest sound

[calm pulsar]

do you prefer it that soft or does it not make much difference?

ah okay

[fluid ravine]

Whats the range of the tadpole hardness?

[polar girder]

50-90

[calm pulsar]

not as hard as I'll be when I get the frog

[fluid ravine]

if i had the frog i would personally go 50a or 60a

prob 60a

[calm pulsar]

I got the 60a tadpoles along with the default ones, I think I will just use 60a right away

[fluid ravine]

what are the default a?

[calm pulsar]

80

[fluid ravine]

ah

yeah id go 60

[scarlet tide]

hello everyone, im looking for a chanell with info/or_links with the stuff yall bought to mod it, is there any? i cant find

never modded a keyboard, just want to change the looks (maybe)

[sour blade]

has anyone done a transparent build?

have a transparent pc plate and im kind of inspired

i think out of any board wooting's pcb is the one thats worthy of being showcased the most

[harsh dove]

#🪛│modding_faq and check pinned messages as well

[scarlet tide]

oh yeah the pinneds are it! thank you!

[unborn iris]

Could i also mod the rk m75? So like that its profitable?

Like i dont really need the wooting features, and its very pricey

Are red or brown switches better?

[ionic breach]

mostly translucent

usually never actually transparent

[stone flax]

?

what do you mean so that "its profitable"

[stone flax]

i know what that board is

i am asking what u meant by

[unborn iris]

Its 120€ keyboard so i thought if it is profitable if I use different switches/keycaps

Like, is it a good kb for the price

[stone flax]

again

what do you mean by profitable

ur not turning a profit anywhere

do you plan to sell the board?

[unborn iris]

That it gets good

[calm pulsar]

it's profitable to get a job

[unborn iris]

Like is it a goad bord?

[elfin garnet]

I found that using the softest ones made it so the case pings less

[calm pulsar]

but he probably means the value of the keyboard

[stone flax]

ahhhh

then no

dont get a royal kludge

ever

[calm pulsar]

ahh I see

[stone flax]

hope that helps

[unborn iris]

Yes, its only 120 so is it worth to mod

[stone flax]

no

u want something to have a good base to mod on?

get a reliable barebones kit

[unborn iris]

Yes

Tkl for like 120-150€

[elfin garnet]

used the stock ones for a long time - changed to 50a and the ping was reduced drastically

[unborn iris]

Why?

[stone flax]

https://imgur.com/a/royal-kludge-is-good-brand-you-should-buy-keyboards-x7LTFwp

[calm pulsar]

it's a good thing I grabbed the 60a ones

[unborn iris]

Wtf

[stone flax]

incredibly bad quality

[unborn iris]

Lmao

[stone flax]

exploding keyboards

need i say more?

[elfin garnet]

yup

[unborn iris]

L company

[stone flax]

dont get a royal kludge

[polar girder]

Nice. Solid. Thanks.

[stone flax]

is my advice

[unborn iris]

Ok thanks

[exotic inlet]

I wouls say don't get those cheaper brands, not only Royal Kludge but many of them uses shitty batteries

[unborn iris]

Do you know a good kb for 120-150€?

[stone flax]

do u want something to mod

[stone flax]

or just a solid prebuilt

[polar girder]

Fking hell that’s gorgeous

[unborn iris]

So i can upgrade in future

[stone flax]

so a barebones kit

?

[unborn iris]

I dont know what that is, i look it up

[ionic breach]

he just means hotswap

[stone flax]

kits exist that are soldered

[calm pulsar]

@cold bloom I believe you want to buy a venom60he pcb when they are in stock? or did you mean geon's new frog leggera cases

[stone flax]

no idea what u mean by that

[ionic breach]

he wants a prebuilt

that can be upgraded in the future

[stone flax]

fair

[unborn iris]

My dream kb would be thocky/creamy switches with ceramic keycaps

[stone flax]

thocky creamy switches dont exist

i assume u just mean any old nylon bottom switches

the actual board (around the switches) and sound editing is what makes that sound profile ur looking for

[calm pulsar]

I want the thockiest clackiest dreamiest creamiest switch

[unborn iris]

Oh ok, i didnt know

[stone flax]

ehhh i want that + marbly

that would be perfect

[unborn iris]

What base would you recommend for that?

[stone flax]

what do you mean base

did u want a prebuilt

?

[unborn iris]

Yes

[ionic breach]

he means stock

[unborn iris]

And then upgrade it

[ionic breach]

not pcb as "base"

[stone flax]

idk get a keychron

or lemokey p1

lols

[unborn iris]

Ok thx

[calm pulsar]

did you know that venom60he can have the 7u spacebar and split backspace?

@stone flax

[stone flax]

yeah ofc

diff pcb tho

[calm pulsar]

interested in those now

they got socd too

[stone flax]

pcb could be sub70

[calm pulsar]

you mean the price?

[stone flax]

yeah

its alr lower than that for korea and would track since the tkl vers is that

[calm pulsar]

yeah, just not sure if it's as snappy as wooting in terms of latency and all that stuff

[stone flax]

i mean

it has better potential than current 60he

from just raw numbers

higher scan and poll

[jade storm]

banned to death

[calm pulsar]

imagining a 60he pro with the split backspace layout (forgot how its called) and without rgb

[stone flax]

thats the big reason im interested in leggera

the layout for the 60he is just so sad

no 7u no tsangan no split shifts

no split bs

[calm pulsar]

well its understandable since it's a very popular mainstream keyboard, but it's nice to get HE but with all the cool things like 7u and tsangan

[stone flax]

gamers have to get convinced bigger spacebar equals better

better ctrl and alt aswell

smaller windows key so less fat fingering it

[calm pulsar]

and alt is bigger so if you need it for games it's good

[marsh saffron]

Yeah I still think 60he layout looks cleaner

Personally never have issues with fat fingering windows key

Even without setting the actuation to 4mm

[stone flax]

how does anyone think an ansymmetric bottom row is better than glorious tsangan

[teal geode]

do u have multiple versions of the hangul?

[calm pulsar]

do you know if geon's 60% pcbs release at a later point with the leggera cases?

cause I see the preorder pages and they're all out of stock, so I dunno if I'm late or actually early

[stone flax]

no clue but ik theyre similar enough dates

oct-nov

maybe later

[calm pulsar]

ah k

[teal geode]

pre order is korea only i think

[stone flax]

late september is a possibility

[teal geode]

well supposed to be for Korea

[calm pulsar]

I did order from the korean store so it's fine for me

[teal geode]

idk what to get between these 3
all pbt fans

[calm pulsar]

i am very used to the big backspace tho... so not entirely set on it

[stone flax]

thats why layout support matters

u can choose what u want

rather than having it chosen for you

[calm pulsar]

yeah but the big spacebar sounds so nice

[teal geode]

where should i get a plate from for my wooting 60

[marsh saffron]

I use wootings black PC plate

But kbdfans sells fr4 and carbon plates

[teal geode]

i want an allu plate

[marsh saffron]

That I do not know where to get

[calm pulsar]

kbdfans have black alu plates that fit wooting

[marsh saffron]

^ there we go

How does alu compare to the stock steel plate

[teal geode]

im trying to hear the diff on these yt vids but the have the worlds worst keyboards

so u cant tell the diff

also i cant hear a diff between cf and allu

[calm pulsar]

I did order it but haven't tried it yet cause I was waiting for raws

but soon frog will arrive and it'll have an alu plate too so I might just build in it

[stone flax]

steel blows icl

[molten prairie]

Had a quick question about a particular mod since im rather new to this all, I was planning on picking up my first 60he soon and am currently planning out my mods, i plan on doing a gummy o-ring mount in a metal case and was wondering if applying the tape mod would still benefit the sound, or if that was more for post mounting builds?

[thorn zealot]

is this ur kohaku

[polar girder]

Not mine

Stole from HypeKeyboards discord

[marsh saffron]

It will effect the sound still

[teal geode]

best lube on springs?

[exotic inlet]

Anyone here with the ttc king of magnetic on the 60he?

[fluid ravine]

hail no

i mean yeah someone

idk who

[exotic inlet]

I just watched some youtube videos about it, seems interesting

But they are pricey

[fluid ravine]

they are pricey

and i dont like em at all

like the swap stem idea is interesting but for the price and how it soiunds hail no

[calm pulsar]

I use 205g0

bag lubing with oil is faster but I dont want to deal with oil

[uneven cradle]

I also use 205g0, but if you're bag lubing 105 oil works well

[stone flax]

i use $7 superlube from amazon

spring oil barely matters in comparison to wire grease and especially to switch lube

[exotic inlet]

Does that work also for the switches?

I was tempted to buy that

[molten sphinx]

I just got the wooting 60he for my birthday in a few days and was wondering if I should keep the stock lekker 60s or buy different switches that are better. If you guys have any recommendations please let me know

[ionic breach]

depends on shipping for u

if its cheap sure, if it isnt then just stick with the lekkers

[rich phoenix]

.... Here i am using 0w-30 motor oil

for my springs like an insane person

[marsh saffron]

Dawg

[rich phoenix]

What are you looking to do? Deepen the sound? Make it more clacky?

[rich phoenix]

Them additives make my springs STRONG.

[molten sphinx]

Same performance but better sound

Or better performance better sound

[rich phoenix]

So im guessing a more deeper thocky sound?

[molten sphinx]

Yes

[ionic breach]

stick with the lekkers

[uneven cradle]

Tough to get much thock out of HE switches

[fluid ravine]

Chat

[rich phoenix]

Personally get a fr4 or PC plate first. Should deepen the tone. (15-30 bucks).

[fluid ravine]

how do i wire balance 2u wires

i just found out my shift wire is warped LOL

[rich phoenix]

I take some paper and lay the wire beside it.

Bend by hand till it looks straight

[fluid ravine]

gosh this is gonna hurt

[rich phoenix]

Doesn't have to be prefect since the stabs all have a decent amount of giv

[uneven cradle]

Buy wires that are straight 🧠

[fluid ravine]

no moni

[rich phoenix]

I bought like 2 sets of gateron stabs and the space bar wire was never straight

[ionic breach]

buy keyboard that aren't

[stone flax]

tweezers

flat surface

test test

twist twist

done

[fluid ravine]

what about the main body of the wire

[stone flax]

if ur wires are bent that way its cooked

💀

reverse bend

[ionic breach]

how tho?

[uneven cradle]

How's your 2u wire not straight

[fluid ravine]

no clue

[stone flax]

how shit must wires to be to not be rigid enough of a 2u

[fluid ravine]

just found out

[ionic breach]

ikr

[stone flax]

aliexpress wire

[fluid ravine]

everytime i hold down the left side of the wire either side it just notice its warped

but there's no warp when i hold right

[stone flax]

wym

balance one side if balancing both is difficult

just make sure the balanced side is facing up when inserted

[fluid ravine]

mk

ima try to balance it hollup

[edgy cargo]

so much nerd stuff

[molten sphinx]

Which are better? Gateron Magnetic Jade or Geon Raptor MX

[uneven cradle]

Out of just those two? Jades but really it's Raw HEs as they are cheaper and better then jades depending on shipping

[calm pulsar]

you mean raptor he, cause MX is not magnetic

[molten sphinx]

Yea

[stone elbow]

yeah get geon raw he instead of geon raptor he or jades

[molten sphinx]

Should they be this cheap

@uneven cradle

[calm pulsar]

shipping aint cheap for them

[polar girder]

Yeah use code WOOT

and maybe buy a couple extra maybe

[molten sphinx]

Bruh can I only pay with PayPal

[stone flax]

where are you

[molten sphinx]

Wrong button

U.S.A

Texas

[stone flax]

divinikey

[molten sphinx]

K

[jade storm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-dr-han-the-good-doctor-discord-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-gif-1845193550933450334

[tired frigate]

@harsh dove what do you recommend for the geon raw he the 40,50,60g ?

[stone elbow]

My shift key clicks when i press on the extremes

[calm pulsar]

this is probably the stems of the keycaps going deeper onto the stab stems

if you press with force on the side

[stone elbow]

thought it happened only on my shift lol, i only noticed the shift looking not even. it happens on keys with stabs except for spacebar

[stone flax]

reduced travel

[stone elbow]

i would need some long pole stabs then

[stone elbow]

what's the bottom out force on your current switches?

[fluid ravine]

yeah this could mean you need long pole stabs

[stone elbow]

it only happens when i apply a lot of force, so i don't think that's gonna bother me much

[fluid ravine]

Spring weight will only depend on your preference. You can't really rely on other people ideal spring weight cus you won't be able to know if they are heavy or too light for you.
You would usually find your ideal preference depending on what your current spring weight would be on your current switches. If you're using a 60g switch as of right now for example and you like it so far, then buy the 60g. If you think it's heavy however then you would go for 50g. Same thing for 50g and up or down.

[fluid ravine]

is it only that key?

make sure it doesn't happen with the others

That would be the occuring issue that other users have with the Jades

[stone elbow]

only keys with stabs with the exception of spacebar, spacebar is fine for some reason

[fluid ravine]

but the others arent?

[stone elbow]

yeah it does that with the others

[fluid ravine]

Well I suppose using spacers or getting long pole stabs would be the solution

I personally dont have that problem

well

actually i do

slightly

but not noticeable to the point it's a problem at all

[tired frigate]

Currently I have the jades

[calm pulsar]

I have a theory that if you can somehow press the stab stems into the keycaps further, then you won't need long poles

but it's hard to do after the stabs are installed as there is no way to access the bottom of the stab stem after installation

[tired frigate]

So I believe 3.6 mm

[stone elbow]

the jades bottom out with 50g of force

[fluid ravine]

force*

[tired frigate]

Understood yeah I think I may just do 60g

[fluid ravine]

Do you like the spring weight of the jades or do you want to go heavier?

[tired frigate]

My bad lol

[stone elbow]

how do you feel about the jades?

[tired frigate]

I think they are actually nice

[fluid ravine]

If you like it a bit heavier then you can go for 60g

[tired frigate]

And of course they are sold out of 50

Lol

[fluid ravine]

otherwise if you like the jade springs then go for 50g

50g is a sweetspot

i personally use 60g

[tired frigate]

Makes sense

Yeah I used the lekker v1.5 and I liked it

Didn’t feel too much of a difference tbh

[calm pulsar]

I ordered 50g raws but also geon's all three he spring packs, 42.5g, 52.5g, 62.5g

[fluid ravine]

a 10g difference is honestly not that big

can be noticeable for some but not most

[tired frigate]

I thought they don’t even sell them?

[fluid ravine]

that's a while ago

[calm pulsar]

I ordered from the korean store, but now he sells them on international

[tired frigate]

Ah ok ok

I would buy mine from divine key

[fluid ravine]

geon shall expand!

ranout of 50g?

ye

[tired frigate]

Since it’s the cheapest shipping to US

Yeah sold out currently

I may pick up the 60g tbh

[fluid ravine]

CAM paid for mine and his to send it to my place so i can pay his shipping to send his set to him

[stone elbow]

i'd wait if you really want the 50g

[tired frigate]

I don’t think I’d be able to tell the difference if I’m being really honest

[calm pulsar]

@fluid ravine what do you think about this? I think the issue with shorter travel switches is that the stab stems are unable to completely enter the keycap stems

so if you somehow was able to push them in, you won't have any issues

[fluid ravine]

this is actually somewhat true

yes this can happen

your theory isn't wrong

[fluid ravine]

Yknow what you could do

[calm pulsar]

need to think of a way to try and push them in lol

[fluid ravine]

you canbuy the set of 60g and if you find it too heavy anyways

you can spring swap your jades into your raws

[fluid ravine]

i mean keycap tolerance also matter for this case dont it?

[calm pulsar]

yeah ig my theory works for proper quality keycaps
cause bad ones will probably wobble no matter what

[fluid ravine]

yup correcto!

Cheaper keycaps will show more effect

Usually cheaper keycaps would have worse tolerance. And people who uses jades with normal stabilizer travel with cheaper keycaps and has problems are the ones who notified that problem.

It's mostly the keycap's fault on why they keep coming loose on the shorter travel distance switch

[calm pulsar]

yeah I notice it only if I press with force on my gmk

I want to try long poles of my TX AP stabs in stock ones or smth

[fluid ravine]

yeah same

ill make a vid rq

though my dad is watching the NFL rn

LOL

[tired frigate]

Interesting ok ok

[calm pulsar]

was just making one lol

[fluid ravine]

dont mind the TV lol

[fluid ravine]

I have this issue on my GMMK compact board

Is has clipped stock plate mount stabs with Akko V3 Yellow Creams

it's really noticeable

and pretty bad

[calm pulsar]

yeah kinda want long poles now lol

[fluid ravine]

yeah..

[calm pulsar]

even if I don't notice it in real use

[fluid ravine]

well i also notice a problem in my stabs

my stabs dont bottom out all the way

[calm pulsar]

I assume long poles would also be better balanced and might sound better

[fluid ravine]

i think the problem with my spacebar doesn't sound even or like one side is higher pitched is bc one side is fully bottoming out somehow while the other isnt

[fluid ravine]

yeye

when i took the oring out and look between the plate and pcb

as i press down the spacebar it doesn't even bottom out

making it sound weird

[calm pulsar]

so plate mounts bottom out too? never thought abt this

[fluid ravine]

yeah they should

dont stabs not bottom out?

i mean i should get a lekker switch and test it out rq

[calm pulsar]

I guess they do since ppl used to clip the legs on cherry stabs

[fluid ravine]

should verify if it's the real problem or not

[stone elbow]

oh wait spacebar also wobbles

[fluid ravine]

pcb mount stabs makes sense

but plate mounts should as well

its like one guarantees while the other doesn't

[calm pulsar]

I actually tried different material stickers when I was installing my stabs and it sounded differently, so they bottom out for sure

[fluid ravine]

ye

alright brb

ima grab a l60

@calm pulsar yep i was right

[stone flax]

kinda

[fluid ravine]

l60 bottoms out all the way

[stone flax]

these arent long poles

theyre just reduced travel

[calm pulsar]

yeah

[stone flax]

the stems arent physically longer most of the time on he

They just bottom out at a higher point

[fluid ravine]

well it really isnt

it's the bottom out floor actually

[stone flax]

u cant force the stabs stems down when the switch itself is already fully down

thus it causes seesawing

[fluid ravine]

closed and semi closed bottom out HE switch have different floor thickness

[stone flax]

The only way to fix that is to level it

[stone flax]

thats exactly what i said

[calm pulsar]

maybe I can just sand down my TX AP stabs to make them fit wooting plates lol

[fluid ravine]

lol

[calm pulsar]

cause I have TX AP long poles, clip-ins and screw-ins

[fluid ravine]

Franken Stab

Cherry Clip In housing and TX AP long pole stem

lul

[calm pulsar]

yeah yeah I might try it

I have cherry clip-ins too

havent opened them yet

[fluid ravine]

yeah you should def try it

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-long-pole-plate-mount-stabilizers?srsltid=AfmBOopjiY7DpLtsfgkhv5HtPT-NVUJ_is2g9Igojv2MDG5jGLqA4sVK

need myself these

or different long pole plate mount stabs

[calm pulsar]

ohh so long pole plate mounts exist lol

nice

[fluid ravine]

yeaaa

it'd be better if they sell seperate long pole stems

unless

there is

lemme check

ah darn

idk where

guess i need to buy a new set of stabs

[uneven cradle]

I have some long pole tx ap plate mount stabs

[hybrid cairn]

did anyone here have a bad experience with cerakey v2s or is it all just word of mouth?

[fluid ravine]

noice

[fluid ravine]

@quiet bay idk which set you have but ima ping you anyways

[hybrid cairn]

lmao

[quiet bay]

no bad experience so far

i dont think I've heard anything bad so far either

only v1s were bad

[hybrid cairn]

there were quite a few ppl shi talking them the last time i was here

[quiet bay]

there could be some inconsistencies with some keycaps in v2 set but you could ask for replacement

[hybrid cairn]

but all of it was hearsay

[quiet bay]

and they will send for free

[hybrid cairn]

no one actually got v2s

[hybrid cairn]

yeah

all i know is that they are the thockiest keycaps u can get

[quiet bay]

ye 👍

[hybrid cairn]

so if i use them with my zinc case i could getting a thockier noise from my wooting

[quiet bay]

yes you can in fact get a deeper sound profile with them

besides having a taller keycap profile

[hybrid cairn]

maybe use the GUGU black knights since they seem to have the lowest sound profile

[hybrid cairn]

i mean its cherry profile right?

shouldnt be an issue

[quiet bay]

yeah

[hybrid cairn]

is there like a superior profile that i dont know about? lol

[quiet bay]

naw

just

diff keycap profile

can lead to diff sound as well

if u dont like taller keycap profiles then cerakeys is good

[hybrid cairn]

i mean if the cerakeys are known to produce the thockiest sound and thats why they were made im assuming that u cant get a thockier keycap no?

[fluid ravine]

Usually taller keycap profiles that are thick and made out of PBT are really deep

But I think Cerakeys does that better

cus different material and you can still keep the cherry profile you need

[hybrid cairn]

yeah if cerakeys does it better then theres nothing to worry about :)

and the zinc case will hopefully make the thock louder

[quiet bay]

yes explain it better than me xd

[uneven cradle]

They do the job, will probably get a module at some point with screw ins though

[fluid ravine]

Either brighter or just more alive

[quiet bay]

I really liked the pcr case with raw hes

[polar girder]

Yeah seems like I should get cerakeys but for some reason I don’t love them

[hybrid cairn]

yeah ive seen some thocks that are deep because they are quiet and muted, its not as fun that way

[polar girder]

Meh

[hybrid cairn]

pcr sounded lower but it also gave off the vibe of being quieter

[fluid ravine]

dead thocks are just horrible to be honest

[hybrid cairn]

they sound cheap

usually cause they are

[fluid ravine]

the charactertics of having a low and deep sound just doesn't sound good at all

[hybrid cairn]

js hella foam

[fluid ravine]

yeah

[hybrid cairn]

low and deep is the same thing lol. quiet and deep blows

[quiet bay]

I think my thocc has life...

[fluid ravine]

like you want something that sounds alive with a bit of "umph"

that's the thock you want

[polar girder]

Damn y’all really be hating on people personal preferences

[fluid ravine]

but the thock people seemed to fail to understand is the ones that are dead

[fluid ravine]

hell yeah!

fk preference

reeee!!!

[polar girder]

That’s a the thock YOU want

[hybrid cairn]

i dont think ive met someone who enjoys a thock because its quiet though

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

fk

[polar girder]

You’re looking at him

I want it quiet AF

[fluid ravine]

^^

this guy right here

[polar girder]

y’all just some keyboard nerds - respectfully lol

[quiet bay]

lmao mine is NOT quiet at all

[hybrid cairn]

why not just silent switches then

[polar girder]

I wish lol

[hybrid cairn]

i dont even own a keyboard bruh

[hybrid cairn]

wdym

u can in fact do that

[polar girder]

HE silent doesn’t exist

[fluid ravine]

more like it does but cant even get them cus they're not compatible!! haha

[calm pulsar]

dampening switches with silicon sounds kinda trash

[hybrid cairn]

ok but then its safe u say that ur currently enjoying a deeper noise for its quietness rather than the quiet thocc noise itself right?

[fluid ravine]

i hate silent switches

last time i used one was like a cherry mx red silents

[polar girder]

Well I tried those silent switches off that one keyboard

But they sounded like shit lol

[fluid ravine]

feels scratchy and like idk

just dampened af

[quiet bay]

I dont like silent switches cause then you just hear the sound of you pressing down the stem and it makes me feel icky, idk

[hybrid cairn]

they have a different allure to them. seems great for a work / office board lowkey

[polar girder]

I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to say here but I want what noise exists to be low in tone. But I also want it low volume.

[fluid ravine]

like just thocks but with sound deadner

like building a board that thocks then you just like add kilmat as case foam to lower the volume type shi

idk smth like that i suppose

[hybrid cairn]

yes. allow me to clarify
you like the thocc noise you have now because its the quietest noise u can get in an HE
you dont like thocc becaise the noise itself is thoccy
therefore you dont enjoy thoccy, but you enjoy the quieter sounds of a thoccy board since u cant get silent yet

[polar girder]

Like input kilmat at the bottom of my case, use foam for plate, oil tf out of my springs, use open bottom switches, soft plastic plate and alternative mounting just to make it as quiet and low tone as possible

Ok

😵‍💫

[fluid ravine]

now that's something i understand

[polar girder]

I’m over thock

[calm pulsar]

the hell is "thocc noise" lol

buzzword

[polar girder]

I’m never going to use that word again i think lol

[fluid ravine]

the 2 c's just gets me

[hybrid cairn]

deeper notes

[uneven cradle]

[fluid ravine]

o lawd

[hybrid cairn]

btw any experiences on the GUGU black knights vs RAW HEs? it seems like GUGU has a lower sound profile from what ive heard but i havent heard anything about its stem wobble / tolerances and if its factory lubing is good (if it even has factory lubing) compared to the RAW HEs (which is what they were praised for)

[polar girder]

Yeah I just want low/low, black/black lolz

Low volume, low tone.

[hybrid cairn]

do u like low volume / low tone more than just silent?

[polar girder]

Raw is the better switch by all objective measures

[polar girder]

Idk bro lol

[calm pulsar]

well how do you achieve lower pitch if not by using different mounting and foams that reduce higher end

[polar girder]

Yeah thock is too damn charged

So much drama around silly word lol

GIVE ME ALL THE THOCC

[stone flax]

get raws, rely on something else than switches for sound

mounting style keycaps foam config etc….

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/daisy-criss-gif-22581988

[hybrid cairn]

alright, Raws for now it is until i get thocc switches

one day

itll happen

[stone flax]

they dont exist rn

[hybrid cairn]

yeah ik that why i said one day

[stone flax]

literally the only “thock” achieved is hollow

[calm pulsar]

this is what I thought of lekkers on day 1 with my wooting

[hybrid cairn]

theres a difference in trying to solely reducing the higher end and trying to mute the sound enough that all you can hear is the resonance of the lower end

[calm pulsar]

I understand, but I think in keyboards there is not much you can do to lower the pitch without reducing higher frequencies

there are deeper sounding switches I guess, but they are mostly MX

[hybrid cairn]

yep, thats why i try to build a board that produces as little of the higher frequencies as possible, that way it takes less effort and dampening to remove the higher frequencies and thus creating a more prominent deep noise

[fluid ravine]

i aint gonna lie my eyes are killing me

[hybrid cairn]

may i interest you in some eyedrops?

[fluid ravine]

your no pfp makes it so harder for me to read things for some damn reason 😂

[stone flax]

guh

[hybrid cairn]

aahaha

[fluid ravine]

[hybrid cairn]

watch this

[stone flax]

are there he boards that lean deep being sold anymore

the blade was cool

[hybrid cairn]

any easier to read?

lol

[hybrid cairn]

yeah there are a lot of cool keyboard products that get run once / a few times and dont pop up again

[fluid ravine]

nawwww 😭

[stone flax]

thats my point

in stock not so much

[hybrid cairn]

its unfortunate

[fluid ravine]

at this point idek who you are 😭

😂

[stone flax]

more so kits

[hybrid cairn]

<3

[polar girder]

Fr

[cold bloom]

was considering both, def gonna get a case tho

[calm pulsar]

sounds good
I was just interested in venomhe pcb and discussed with mjj

[hybrid cairn]

yeah, but ig in a huge customization market and hobby like this it was a given itd end up that way to make more money

[calm pulsar]

it's cool that it offers diff layouts

[stone flax]

Ill be honest

[cold bloom]

yeah agreed

[stone flax]

ur gonna have to kill it with foam

one way or another

[hybrid cairn]

ok i brought my name back

[hybrid cairn]

yep im js trying to "kill it" less

hey i js thought of something funny

what if i made my board so the left half is thoccy while the right half is clacky

[stone flax]

yeah no, to get that u need a lot of mass in the board already or a less resonant case

[calm pulsar]

might try using denser plates, cause they increase volume, but gotta be careful so they don't make it brighter

[stone flax]

so

deeper plate

mass in case

less resonant case material

more absorbent mount

are pretty much ur options without considering foam

Which has been the nobrainer method

[hybrid cairn]

eh

my base idea is try and make a build that produces as little high pitched frequencies that i can then finding almost every method to absorb those higher frequencies w/o killing too much of the sound

desner plates do sound like a good idea though

[stone flax]

https://youtu.be/t2klkF3o9o8?feature=shared&t=10516

[hybrid cairn]

but not to keen on the less resonant case, i feel like thatd remove too much volume

[stone flax]

Ill be real

It will take a year for he to sound like this foamless

acoustics in mind has kind always come second to feel and performance

[polar girder]

Yo I can’t remember if I ever tried Raptor housing with black knight stem

[stone flax]

and everything applied here is just standard gh60 practice

[hybrid cairn]

probably but i waited a few years for a wooting board with arrow keys so i can wait longer

[polar girder]

I feel like it didn’t work but I can’t remember

[calm pulsar]

I thought it didnt work

[polar girder]

Right yeah prob

Miss my nylon housings

[hybrid cairn]

this guy is so locked in when typing

[stone flax]

he runs predictions on his wpm’s

taeha so old

[hybrid cairn]

predictions?

do people gamble on this guys WPM?

[stone flax]

yep

[hybrid cairn]

thats a great idea

genius

[pulsar schooner]

My Raws come in tomorrow, then time for some housing and spring swapping

[prime orbit]

my D key is like bugging out when moving in Val

could it be the switch?

cuz i reset it and it still does it

[hollow parrot]

https://geon.works/products/geon-stem-spacer?srsltid=AfmBOoqm0QiKl6GzV_9y938aLZepNeu6HX7kNFH0djn3aRBzJHmGg7BI
Are these needed with Raws on stock stabs with raws being 3.4mm travel?

[molten sphinx]

Is the tofu 60 redux a good case I should get for my wooting

[glacial wind]

Sometimes yes if you have loose keycaps, otherwise no

[snow bough]

can I interchange switches and still use snap tap?

as long as the keycaps are magnetic

[fluid ravine]

Snap Tap is part of the software aka wootility which will be saved in your PCB. So even if you change the HE switches you will be able to use them. Just make sure the HE switch compatible which you can find in this list #🪛│modding_faq message

[snow bough]

danke

🙏

[fluid ravine]

Keycaps are not magnetic, it does not have any affect on the HE board itself.

[hollow parrot]

stock wooting keycaps should be ok?

[glacial wind]

generally yeah

most of the reports with loose keycaps were from people buying cheapie clones and such

[hollow parrot]

❤️

[gaunt plume]

Full POM Magneto
http://e.tb.cn/h.gpi9GNTmN9EAQeb?tk=i4PW36IAW4a

RGB Magneto
http://e.tb.cn/h.gKThzKzcRk7OMoV?tk=MdL736sZfjx

TTC Uranus Magnetic
http://e.tb.cn/h.gpiPLKXrQV9BJQd?tk=DPNm36s0jOw

[calm pulsar]

now full POM magneto might be a bit better
I think standard magneto sounds too sharp and plasticky

[fluid ravine]

Original material?

[calm pulsar]

dunno

[lusty nova]

So it begins... XD

[glacial wind]

well that's one way to use the wrist rest

[lusty nova]

Thanks pham, now all we need is a 100HE so I'll have to do this all over again.. 😄

[glacial wind]

i'm really tempted to prep my stabilizers too for 80he, but the space bar stab is too big for my storage boxes when assembled lol

[languid forge]

hey

I just put polyfil into the bottom of my case

I just wanted to know if its 100% safe to have it in with the wooting 60he?

[lusty nova]

Did it work? 😮

As long as it's not conductive or magnetic, it should be ok.

[paper bloom]

It is but it depends on what type of case

You can't have polyfill on your PCB if that is what youre asking

But it is 100% safe if u polyfill the case

But make sure it is cured b4 you slap ur PCB in

[languid forge]

tofu60 redux

[languid forge]

like

the polyfil is under my PCB

(I have tape modded)

[languid forge]

wdym by cured?

[lusty nova]

He means no gooey foam stuff

[glacial wind]

make sure it's up to date with covid shots

[languid forge]

wa

what foam?

[lusty nova]

This; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKAVeSB3YTs

[languid forge]

I want real help 😔

[paper bloom]

If you polyfill

You gotta wait for the polyfill to cure no?

[languid forge]

aa

[paper bloom]

Basically it means if you don;t wait it to cure and u just slap that shit in

Your PCB chips will get either fried or

It will get stuck by the silicone

[languid forge]

I have poron foam inbetween

my pc plate and my pcb

[paper bloom]

Then its all good but make sure polyfill dries up

[languid forge]

How can I do that?

[paper bloom]

u wait ?

[languid forge]

how long

i waited like

3 days

[paper bloom]

then it shld be cured alrdy

[languid forge]

by cured you mean set in a position?

[paper bloom]

yes

[languid forge]

👍

[cyan zodiac]

goated keyboard

and at such a good price

[late solstice]

Can someone share their 60HE with black and white magnetic wave keycaps?

[neat thorn]

@glacial wind you didn't mention the import duty-free from Korea

i'm glad i have the money, and i'm sure the switches are worth that money 🙂

[glacial wind]

huh? What are you talking about

you mean geon switches?

[neat thorn]

GEON Raw HE Switch

[glacial wind]

oh yeah that's going to be totally up to your country

some countries have none, some do

[neat thorn]

can't wait to recieve them !

i have that package tracked on PayPal, DHL emails and WhatsApp

[fresh citrus]

My geon raw HEs arrive on Wednesday woooo

[neat thorn]

when did you place your order joosh?

[fresh citrus]

Last Friday?

I think?

Or Thursday

[neat thorn]

same, it was the 6th, they say should arrive the 12th

from Korea to France..

[fresh citrus]

Yeah I ordered mine Sept 5

Korea to Australia

[paper bloom]

Where you from?

[neat thorn]

Australia is closer to Korea than France

[paper bloom]

You could try Ktechs

Ktechs is singaporean Keyboard brand

[neat thorn]

Paris France ! 🙂

[paper bloom]

Oh the EU then nvm

[fresh citrus]

Can't wait for my keycaps too mmmmmm

Tasty tasty

[paper bloom]

If you were close to us you could've needed to pay lesser shipping in terms of the country

Import tax

[fresh citrus]

I don't think I have to pay import tax

Not sure

[paper bloom]

But idk thats just me

im VAT nulified

[neat thorn]

This metal noise is so bad, i can't wait to replace the switches 😩

[paper bloom]

It means i dont gotta pay VAT or import tax

[fresh citrus]

Afaik for my country you don't pay unless the value is over 1000 aud

[paper bloom]

Ours here are any value

You still don't kgotta pay

[fresh citrus]

Rip that sucks

[paper bloom]

unless its a heavy ass shipment

[fresh citrus]

Yeah fair

[paper bloom]

and if it is commercial

[fresh citrus]

I see I see

[neat thorn]

you'r so lucky, not to be in the third world like me in France

[paper bloom]

France is technically

FIrst world

Its due to their taxes and the EU regulation they have to follow

[neat thorn]

"technically"

[paper bloom]

If without that and they have some sort of trade agreement

I dont see an issue

Cuz Singapore has loads of smart trade agreement rules since we lead ASEAN

[neat thorn]

30Euros for a 50Euro package 🤣

[fresh citrus]

Yuckkk

[paper bloom]

Welp RIP{

[neat thorn]

At least i'll be one of the lukciest person who got this switches in EU 🙂

[fresh citrus]

Ahaha true

[paper bloom]

I got mine for 27 USD

pack of 70 with RAW HE 60G switch

im happy with the 60 as it is

Starting on that finger training grind

[fresh citrus]

I got the 50g coming

Only ever used 60 before

[paper bloom]

60s are not bad but you gotta get used to it

Which takes a while, for the 50's its a inbetween

[neat thorn]

mine are 40g, should cost less!

[fresh citrus]

I used cherry MX blues for 12 years hahaha

[paper bloom]

Na theyre about the same here

[fresh citrus]

And I've been using the lekker 1.5s on the 2he for like a week or so now

[paper bloom]

The initial force before bottoming out is like

36 grams

So youre kinda lucky on that

[fresh citrus]

Idk what to compare it to hahaha

[paper bloom]

Compare the RAW HE to the jades

[fresh citrus]

Haven't used jades

Just lekker 1.5, cherry MX blue and random membrane stuff

I'm sure the raws will feel good

[neat thorn]

lekker switch i'm using L45, has a metal part that touch the plate and make metalic noise, that's hurts my feelings so bad 😦

[fresh citrus]

Mmmmm fair hahaha

[loud zephyr]

toughen up, princess, it's really not that bad. Or just do what I did and get Wooting's PC plate

[paper bloom]

O thats cuz of the

Stabilizer

You get stabilizer ping

[neat thorn]

That why i'm bad at Deadlock, i'm tell him my friend 😇

[neat thorn]

nono, it's a terrible feelings, and noise. both under finger and in my hears !

[neat thorn]

idk what's that

[paper bloom]

Its those sounds you've been hearing

its u stabilizer

[neat thorn]

https://kineticlabs.com/blog/how-to-properly-tune-your-stabilizers

[paper bloom]

ur*

[neat thorn]

this ?

[paper bloom]

Those white things

Ye

[neat thorn]

nono it's the bottom part of the switches, that moving part that hits the keyboard plate when poressing all the way down

well the space bar doesn't

Enter and backspace too

[paper bloom]

Make a recording and send it to me or here

and ping me

ima hear it

[neat thorn]

i believe this is a magnet

it's touch the plate when pressed all the way down

[paper bloom]

It isnt

It just makes a clack sound and thats it

I dont usually hear metal pinging sounds

whenever i use it im rn running a steel plate b4 that as well

[ionic breach]

a magnet striking the plate thousands of times is probably not a good idea

[paper bloom]

But the thing is its bottom down and its right into the PCB

So no way

Its def the stabilizer or the springs sound

[paper bloom]

100% stabilizer

[neat thorn]

@paper bloom we can't really hear it from the recording

[paper bloom]

I can

Its the stabilizer

It isnt the

Switches

[neat thorn]

there is no stabilizer on the keys, only space bar and other big keys

[paper bloom]

Its the stabilizer rattling

The space bar and the other big keys

like the delete key

has it

[neat thorn]

the noise that i don't like is not audible in the recording lol

[paper bloom]

Even the shift key has it

[paper bloom]

Is it at 0.06?

[neat thorn]

it's a "metalic" noise

[paper bloom]

YEA its the stabilizer 100%

[neat thorn]

yeah, that's the space abr nosie at 6s

[paper bloom]

If thats the metalic noise

Youre talking about

[neat thorn]

i like that noise 🙂

[paper bloom]

O then thats okay

[neat thorn]

the other keys make a very high frequency noise...

[paper bloom]

All im hearing is just the clack sound

[neat thorn]

which is very bad in my ears

[paper bloom]

and the metalic noise from the spacebar

if it isnt the stabilizer

it has to be the spring or somethig idk

I think you better ask someone regarding this just incase

[neat thorn]

it's like metal against metal noise..., very little but very present

[paper bloom]

Is it like a spring sound metal noise or?

[neat thorn]

the stabilizer are doing great, also prevent key been pressed all the way down i feel, it's just great

[neat thorn]

it's the small magnet at the bottom of the switches, it touch the plate...

[ionic breach]

you seem sure...

by any chance you can try with another switch?

[neat thorn]

i was about to order the Jad switches, but i know it's not better for wobble compare to the one i have, so a gentle man advice me to get the "GEON Raw HE Switch"
2-3 days to wait...

[neat thorn]

i'll let you know in a few days 🙂

[ionic breach]

[neat thorn]

[paper bloom]

It def isnt

Its def the plate itself

Cuz sound travels

[ionic breach]

probably

but doesn't hurt

[paper bloom]

Bro lekker switches dont hit on metal

Its literally at the bottom

how u gonna hit metal?

[neat thorn]

NotlikeThis... Now i should buy a real microphone lol

[paper bloom]

You legit got clearence

[neat thorn]

well it's not metal, but it sounds like metal to metal noise

[paper bloom]

Yea thats cuz of the

Plate

Are you running a steel plate by any chance?

[paper bloom]

Or any case in that matter of fact?

[neat thorn]

it's just the basic wooting 60he+ mod plate

[paper bloom]

So its a stock ?

[neat thorn]

i guess yes

[paper bloom]

I remember having that issue for the v1 lekker

But i dont remember having to hearing a ping unless it is a stabilizer ping

If not it cld be a switches youre putting too much force into them

Or its the plate itself

[stone flax]

steel plate pings

its no biggie

guy just yapping

[neat thorn]

👍

i'll well tell you in 2 days ! 🙂

[stone flax]

wait

nah this isnt da steel plate then

[neat thorn]

yeah i know, but still the little magnet hit the plate and make a metalic noise

[stone flax]

it doesnt do that

[neat thorn]

from 6s to 14s it's normal noise

[stone flax]

bottom housings are whats on make contact on the plate from their side and no part of the stem makes contact with the pcb

this is just confusion

[neat thorn]

yes 👍

So it's the spring, when it get full compressed

[stone flax]

thats spring ping

just bag lube with 105 or a similar oil

to remedy that

[neat thorn]

ok, will try that Thx for your helps !

[mighty egret]

erm you are not rivions

[stone flax]

i am rivions

[spark mantle]

Hello everyone, I would like to know if the 3.5mm driving point can be installed on the wooting? Will there be any problems?

[ionic breach]

do you mean a 3.5mm bottom out length for that switch?

if so yes

assuming it's a compatible switch in the first place

[spark mantle]

TTC Magneto

Sorry, I'm talking to you through a translator. Forgive my poor English.

[stone flax]

yes

[stone flax]

better switches exist for cheaper

[spark mantle]

So should my keyboard driving point avoid the 3.6mm~4.00mm area?

[glacial wind]

you don't have to avoid it

think of 0-4mm as 0-100% instead of mm

for even if your switch is 3.5mm travel it's still 0-100% (just ignore that it says 0-4mm, this will be fixed in future wootility update)

[paper bloom]

It doesnt ping for me tho

[stone flax]

why

[glacial wind]

i think he has jades and is worried about 0-3.5mm travel being less than 4mm, but doesn't know wootility treats it as 0-100%

[neat thorn]

Now i have ordered 105g lube, key and switch puller, switch opener... 🙂

[neat thorn]

[glacial wind]

they'll fix the display in future wootility 5 at some point, just question of when really

[neat thorn]

glad it's customizable

[glacial wind]

i like that they gave reviewers access to wootility 5 at least so we'll get to see it in action in the reviews before 80he arrives

[stone flax]

where did u but 105?

[neat thorn]

kinetic labs

this is a good seller ?

[glacial wind]

yeah they're fine

[stone flax]

Yeah

[stone flax]

Ur good

[glacial wind]

it'd be funnier if you bought 105 grams of lube instead of 105 oil though

you'd have enough lubricant for the rest of your life

[neat thorn]

and Gateron switch opener, some1 on reddit said it's the good one..

[glacial wind]

the squeeze style ones?

[neat thorn]

well i have a bike, that could use it !

[neat thorn]

yes

[fresh citrus]

ive heard people use engine oil lmao

i got 5L of 5w40 in my basement

hahaha

[neat thorn]

i was looking for that kind of discount, "viscosity index" is not 105g... i gave up

what 105g means?

According to Copilot it could be "grade of lubricant" used to indicate a medium-thickness grease suitable for mechanical keyboard switches...

10$ for 5ml of Oil..

[fresh citrus]

f

[spark mantle]

This is a good explanation. That is (4/3.5)*the distance I need to adjust?