🔧│keyboard_modding

[tall hollow]

which are also made by graingold

graingold does alot of manufacturing for other brands, like geonworks and stuff.

graingold makes the Raw and raptor HEs

[knotty iron]

i got the v2s because of the white bottom housing, transparent top housing, full 4mm (yes i play emulators) and the tolerances and sound

[tall hollow]

I got black knights because they're nice and stable, and they got that 4mm travel!

[knotty iron]

i still like the other switches I just wouldnt use them sadly :(

[knotty iron]

wait they do? cool!

[tall hollow]

same, I use DKS unironically to do my work haha

[tidal frigate]

Explain

[tall hollow]

yes, 4.05mm average travel across 10 switches.

[knotty iron]

cool :)

also is it safe to use tap water to wipe the alumaze or should I use distilled or 75% wipes

[tall hollow]

like in CAD work, I often map keys in special ways in which it makes things go faster, like press and hold to make the circle and release to automatically enter the dimension dialog box.

[tidal frigate]

That's actually interesting

[teal geode]

top 5 wooting case that provide a smooth depper sound without the need of foam?

[tall hollow]

DKS is the most underrated feature in my opinion

[tidal frigate]

Did you tell your collegues about this hack

[tidal frigate]

Umm

[tall hollow]

I do, because they often wonder/ask why I work so fast lmao

[tidal frigate]

You made them enter wooting cult

[tall hollow]

lolz, they got their own things, like the space mouse and stuff.

[tall hollow]

you'd probably want something with a bit of density to it

[tidal frigate]

Full brass tofu

[tall hollow]

lmao

[tidal frigate]

What

[tall hollow]

that thing is probably absurdly expensive.

200 dollars in raw material at least

assuming they use decent quality brass

[tidal frigate]

Only 188usd

[tall hollow]

oh huh

magic of manufacturing and supply chains I guess

[tidal frigate]

https://kbdfans.com/products/tofu60-redux-case?variant=42716692512907

[tall hollow]

ok well thats not all brass, just a small brass plate

I was imagining like an all brass case

[teal geode]

i alr have a redux

without foam it is really bad sounding

[tidal frigate]

(Brass) option

[tall hollow]

well there is empty space in the keyboard for sounds to resonate in.

[teal geode]

but its a bad amount of sound
like in some cases it sounds good

[tall hollow]

welllll, is that through a digital source or your own ears?

[teal geode]

my keyboard

imna try friction mount it

how do i fiction mount it with stabs in??

[somber roost]

sounds like rainfall. i really like it

[untold wigeon]

Thank you!

Big changes coming tomorrow

[somber roost]

my lekker v2s are coming on monday. im gonna decide then if ill want raw he or not haha

[teal geode]

u got raw hes now?

[somber roost]

not yet. i'd like to try the v2s before i decide on buying them

i am using lekker v1s at the moment

[teal geode]

lekker v2s are better than v1s

but worse than geons

imo

still too much wobble

[somber roost]

ah ill see how i like it

nice of geon to bring that discount code though, makes it bit easier to buy it now haha

[untold wigeon]

It’s here!!!!

[fleet summit]

Ohh damn. Dont sleep on TTC magneto. The longer springs on it feels great

[fluid ravine]

Yippee!

[quiet bay]

Big thanks to @polar girder

[polar girder]

yessss. enjoy

[untold wigeon]

Nice! Time to retire your summoning mat. lol

[quiet bay]

Holy cow its ginormous

[untold wigeon]

Looks big?

[quiet bay]

Not look big, IS big

LMAO

[untold wigeon]

Lmfao!!!! That could be clothes!

Makes your monitor and keeb look like toys!

[quiet bay]

More mouse space now

[fluid ravine]

YOOO

W

[polar girder]

should've sent you a bigger desk too i guess

[fluid ravine]

LOL

[untold wigeon]

lol. Seriously

[fluid ravine]

Oh and a WiredIn cable?!

sickkk

[polar girder]

yeah it's a pretty dope cable that i wasn't going to use and now pochi can put stealth back on the uwu

gang

and it matches the setup

should be sweet after cleaning the pad and making it fit on the desk

[calm pulsar]

I might have the same monitor

[fluid ravine]

what color was it

[polar girder]

black with silver connectors

[fluid ravine]

oo

noice

[quiet bay]

It lights up

huge upgrade

tysm bigsly

[fluid ravine]

it's ascending to heaven!!

[fluid ravine]

o dam that is a nice cable

[stone elbow]

i see that you have a light you put on top of the monitor, are they worth it?

[quiet bay]

i wonder if I can make the light static

[quiet bay]

I bought like a cheap one off amazon lol

I use it for homework ngl

when im in the dark

and sometimes record my keyboard

[fluid ravine]

i finna need one lowkey

[quiet bay]

with the light

yee

respectfully though I was not spending 100 dollars on a benq lightbar

[stone elbow]

the lightbulbs in my room are way too bright

[fluid ravine]

Black with BooBs or White with BooBs

[quiet bay]

blak

[quiet bay]

yeah that and I don't like working in the brightness of my room lol

is there a way I can change the color to be constant on the cable?

[teal geode]

how do i friction mod with stabs in?

[quiet bay]

what kinda stabs

cause I think I've heard that screw ins dont really work cause then the gummy ring protrudes out too much or something like that

but I could be wrong

[stone flax]

wrap o ring

push in

wont work well if at all with screw ins

[stone flax]

pretty much

[calm pulsar]

GMK Cosmos

[teal geode]

do clip ins sound worse than screw ins or just the same?

[stone flax]

screw ins raise potential for being ever slightly more secure than clip ins

but good clip ins and good screw ins will perform the same

also stabilizer clips exist to secure most clipins nowadays

[teal geode]

how abt sound?

[stone flax]

what did i just say

being mounted to the pcb via a screw vs via a clip wont change sound all that much if at all LOL

[teal geode]

alr ty

[stone flax]

its literally just stab stoppers vs screw

[teal geode]

alr

[stone bear]

Can someone lmk the shipping price of geon switches to japan please

[teal geode]

whats the best clip in stabs then?

[polar girder]

gmk cosmos pricing dropped

$130 for the base

$40 for the shine through caps kit

gd lol

[untold wigeon]

That’s pretty standard.

Release date yet??

[polar girder]

gb date

9/15

yeah but still hurts lol

[untold wigeon]

No doubt.

[teal geode]

are there some good quality clip in stabs i should get ?

[quiet bay]

cant you just see that at checkout?

[untold wigeon]

As much as I love that set I can’t type by memory. I won’t be getting it

[calm pulsar]

still curious to see real photos of that set, cause renders look great, but they are renders

[teal geode]

are there some good quality clip in stabs i should get ?

[harsh dove]

They have real photos

[harsh dove]

Cherry Clip ins, clip the feet and call it a day

[calm pulsar]

yeah I've seen those
just would like to see a full set in a keyboard

ah I see

[stone flax]

yeah

Samples are more so color reference for irl

than anything else

[calm pulsar]

I made one of the renders black and white, except for the keycaps, to see how it would look in a silver frog

looks great I think

[hard flower]

To remove the spacebar stab, I just push in the clip and pull up?

[quiet bay]

yes and make sure the switch is out

[hard flower]

Thanks. I removed the switch, but there doesn't seem to be any give when I'm pulling up, even though the clip is pushed in

Two HE if it makes a difference

[quiet bay]

huh

I push the clip in with my finger

and then like

push it up

[stone flax]

its not a pulling up motion

u should almost be pushing it up

while pressing into the clip

[hard flower]

Ah, that makes sense. Appreciate the help!

[peak schooner]

just got v2 l45s, anyone else notice the springs being heavier? compared to v1s/ similar weight mechanical switches I definitely notice it

[tidal frigate]

They use same springs

[peak schooner]

visually the springs are different, so they changed something at least. Just wondering if other people notice it or maybe I got l45s with l60 springs somehow. cause these feels waaaaay heavier, not talking a small difference

could be the tighter tolerances making them feel heavier too idk

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/philadelphia-eagles-eagles-fly-eagles-fly-go-birds-go-eagles-gif-1425375822216373543

IT’S FINALLY HERE!!!!

[calm pulsar]

what is?

[untold wigeon]

Eagles football!!!

American football

[calm pulsar]

ahh nice

[thorn zealot]

i think u mean iggles

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/eagles-super-bowl-2023-philadelphia-gif-27485884

[thorn zealot]

was that them after last year wild card

[untold wigeon]

No that was after Super Bowl after Foles won

So 2017

[thorn zealot]

i was making a joke abt how the eagles went home after the wild card last year

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/stank-face-side-eye-oh-gif-13111098

[hard flower]

Oh man, it sounds so much better now. Rattle be gone

[fluid ravine]

lol

[calm pulsar]

da hell

[fluid ravine]

Dr Dave put some bumpons on his salvation and it helped with the thudding sound

I did the same thing but i dont got that problem

i just did it cus the old feet are shitty

this is dave's

[polar girder]

Best thing for my desk noise is a new desk lolz

[quiet bay]

I might need a bigger desk

[polar girder]

But yeah bumpons on a keebmat are goated

[fluid ravine]

yeah decided to use it as feets cus i dont even use a wrist rest

i do notice the board's height being increased but it aint even a big deal to me at all

[polar girder]

Bro I started using those little Carpio instead of a full wrist rest

Loving it

[fluid ravine]

may i see?

[polar girder]

Yeah when I get back I’ll snap a pic. Walking dog rn

[fluid ravine]

kk

[calm pulsar]

is the angle bad on the frog?

or the front height

[stone flax]

carpio usually for mice

[calm pulsar]

ahh

[stone flax]

using on a keeb is interesting tho

since it moves lol

[polar girder]

Well so I primarily wanted to order Carpio for the G2.0 for the mouse. Cuz the angle of my tiny little mouse been bothering me. And also the Wooting wrist rest slides on my desk pad which is annoying while gaming. So I replaced it and prefer it. But the Wooting one lines up well height wise but the angle is weird. Since the wrist rest is made for the angle of the stock Wooting.

The combination of being on a cloth mouse pad and the flat frog against the angled wrist rest all together wasn’t ideal

Even tho it looked fine aesthetically

[calm pulsar]

doesnt carpio move around too? or do you not use it when gaming?

[polar girder]

It does but like on purpose lol

[quiet bay]

btw bigsly

is there a way to make the rgb constant

on the cable?

[polar girder]

lol I have no clue

[quiet bay]

or does it just rotate as a rainbow wave

[polar girder]

I never used it

[quiet bay]

o damn 😂

[polar girder]

I didn’t realize it had RGB lol

That’s nuts

[quiet bay]

me neither

lol

I plugged it in and it lit up

still looks mad nice though

[polar girder]

Hah!

I’ll ask tho

[quiet bay]

thx 👍

I wanna make it like a blue or white color

[polar girder]

Is the RGB in the connector?

The disconnect thing

[quiet bay]

actually let me take a pic in the dark

[polar girder]

Oh damn. Yeah that’s wild lol

[quiet bay]

yeah and it's not an eyesore either

actually nice

[polar girder]

Yeah wiredin is goated

Nice

[ionic breach]

which is that?

oh nvm

[torpid crow]

okay @fluid ravine

i have the endgame build

[fluid ravine]

wsp

[torpid crow]

STOCK WOOTING
-lekker v2
-doubleshot wooting keycaps

that's it

endgame

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

simple as ever

i respect it

[marsh saffron]

needs raw he tho

[loud zephyr]

don't forget to add horns to your case and repent for your sins... or burn your neighbours lawn

[calm pulsar]

yellow on black goes hard

[lone plume]

anyone tried keebtape on their twohe does it make any differences?

[torpid crow]

stock plastic case only

if i want a nice korean kustom looking build i will build with a soldered pcb and vintage cherry mx black s

[quiet bay]

someone 3d print those horns out and glue it to your case

[torpid crow]

gamer board should look GAMER

i wish that one company with the beam spring hall effect switches wasnt a scam

because clicky HE switches in the wooting would go NUTS

[calm pulsar]

😭

[quiet bay]

wouldnt that defeat the point of HE tho

[torpid crow]

imo

[loud zephyr]

yeah it's not bad, I kinda dig it

[torpid crow]

okay

[fluid ravine]

weh

[torpid crow]

first of all

[calm pulsar]

bro out here talking abt GAMER and then CLICKY

[torpid crow]

the click doesnt line up with the actuation point

like

90% of clickies

second of all

rapid trigger imo is way more important than adjustable actuation

[quiet bay]

I mean sure it could detect faster

[fluid ravine]

nah nah nah

heres the plan

[calm pulsar]

the click tension is going to mess with your rapid triggering

[quiet bay]

but HE being linear is what rapid trigger is meant for ;-;

[ionic breach]

adjustable click

[fluid ravine]

we put lil speakers that produce clicking noises in the switches and everytime we hit the actuation point that we have setted in the software it makes a click

[torpid crow]

i think its possible

[fluid ravine]

boom

done

[torpid crow]

i was working on a design for it

[languid forge]

ceramic

[fluid ravine]

[quiet bay]

[torpid crow]

but it requires so much power that the board might need its own power cable

[torpid crow]

wouldnt a solenoid be better for this

[languid forge]

did u buy 2 different sets from cerakeys?

holy millionaire

[quiet bay]

no

partial sets

A set and B set

[languid forge]

u can do that?

[quiet bay]

yeah

[languid forge]

awesome

i had no idea

[quiet bay]

they used to only have full sets so makes sense

[loud zephyr]

I feel what you. Gimme an exciting design like this

[quiet bay]

oh hey I just checked their site

they updated it kinda

[languid forge]

yeah im looking at it rn

[torpid crow]

is this baion larva?

[uneven cradle]

How many evil dolch enjoyers we got in here

[quiet bay]

Wooting pls make smth like this 🥺

[fluid ravine]

I'm just joking

[loud zephyr]

yeah, unfortunately, depending on how you view him

[pulsar schooner]

Haptics built into the board activated by adjustable push depth. More tactile than click but still

[torpid crow]

unfortunate

[calm pulsar]

I mean you are probably better off soldering the daughterboard to the wooting pcb to make it compatible with all these luxury 60% centered usb port cases

[torpid crow]

baions designs are all super nice but i think he's objectively not that good at business

[uneven cradle]

Pretty much my thoughts too

[torpid crow]

if he had someone running the business for him and just had the energy to focus on designing im sure baionlenja would be a lot more well received

[loud zephyr]

50/50

[ionic breach]

99%

[torpid crow]

i also think the buy model for larva was dumb, i really dislike the trend of having to join a keyset gb to be able to buy a board

see: rubrehaku

[loud zephyr]

I think that's the direction he's headed but might be too little too late, bro is pushing shit uphill

[torpid crow]

also idk if this is allowed here but is anyone here willing to let go of their gmk symbiote galactic alphas? i will pay up to $200 USD

like straight up you can scam me for them, i am so fucking desperate LOL

[calm pulsar]

do you know galactic language tho

[torpid crow]

ye

i have 2 sets of nk spellbook

[calm pulsar]

valid

[torpid crow]

not before making polycarbonate "alumaze" and a case with the wrist rest built in

in general the angled front lip on the stock wooting case is something they should incorporate into more designs imo

[calm pulsar]

kbdfans always have a good selection of colors, on 461e as well

but tofu redux looks so blocky to me after my freebird60 and looking at the frog 😄

[polar girder]

lol yeah it’s basic AF

Like I still respect it and no hate. But yeah lol

[calm pulsar]

yeah it's a solid case, and the weight option is great

I kinda miss the heft of my tofu redux
but the frog is going to be even heavier I believe

[glacial wind]

Raw stonewashed with a 60he pro is the true path

[polar girder]

lol bro

More pro talk

I’m lost

[calm pulsar]

if 60he pro is an actual new pcb im gonna be sad, cause I recently got the module

[torpid crow]

save ur money for crow60

im trying to figure out a top mount plate

[tidal frigate]

8k pcb?

[calm pulsar]

if its the only thing that changes im not interested

[tidal frigate]

And jis pcb

Propably

[polar girder]

@fluid ravine

[torpid crow]

what the actual fuck is that mouse

how can that be comfortable

[calm pulsar]

the mouse looks like a frog with the carpio lol

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-worry-about-it-sweetheart-snow-cold-jacket-winter-gif-15490787

[calm pulsar]

like a frog silhouette

[glacial wind]

It would have to be for most of the things they’d want to update - but it’s probably a fair ways out still

[polar girder]

Haha

I see it

[glacial wind]

Since it’s so early to be leaked I’d imagine we don’t see it before mid next year or so

[polar girder]

I would 100% buy a new PCB for 8k polling in 60HE

as silly as that is lol

[stone flax]

lmao

i wouldnt even bother unless theres layout support

[polar girder]

That’s still surprisingly soon if so

[glacial wind]

Honestly I care more about screw in stab compatibility

[stone flax]

polling buff is literally just a cosmetic thing

[polar girder]

I mean I’m already rocking the module

[stone flax]

let it have 0.01mm

[calm pulsar]

I think it's more about the plates, no?

[polar girder]

Already bought 1 new PCB lolz

[stone flax]

and better rt

[glacial wind]

I hope 60he pro just ditches plate completely and becomes like 80he with full screw in stab compatibility

[torpid crow]

i would prefer pcb mount clip in stabs so i can just use cherry clip-ins

[stone flax]

trying to accomodate both mounts of stabs and making some screw ins not work is so bad

lol

[torpid crow]

the tried and true

[stone flax]

?

[polar girder]

Is that even a thing?

[stone flax]

anything that can do screw in can do clipin

[calm pulsar]

imagining gmk cosmos in that black frog

[cold bloom]

wow that's clean

I love the blue one

[stone flax]

we're talking about platemount + pcb mount

vs solely pcb mount

[polar girder]

I thought clip ins were plate mount or I’m just dumb and forgot lol

[torpid crow]

i thought this was just kind of like the main way to mount stabs

[stone flax]

dumb and forgot

[cold bloom]

clip in are pcb mount

they use the same holes as screw in

[polar girder]

Oh ok

[torpid crow]

clip ins are pcb mount

[cold bloom]

they just don't screw in

they have like a clip that has 2 prongs

[polar girder]

Been a while since I thought about clip-ins mb lol

[torpid crow]

but wootings plate mount stabs are like...

[polar girder]

Ikr

[glacial wind]

Yeah if it’s full screw in without plate mount compatibility then it’s automatically clip in compatible as well

[cold bloom]

but the top slot on clip ins is the same as screw ins

[torpid crow]

i don't know if they're "clip in" but theyre like

[cold bloom]

like the top prong

[torpid crow]

they slot in i guess

[cold bloom]

yeah

[stone flax]

too much people conflate clip in as being platemount

idk why LOL

[torpid crow]

idk man i just wanna use my cherry clip ins

[cold bloom]

@polar girder

[stone flax]

and screw ins allow for that

[polar girder]

Yeah makes sense

[calm pulsar]

well the kinda do clip in as well lol

[stone flax]

theyre both pcb mount

[torpid crow]

ahhhhh in that case we're gucci

[stone flax]

"snap in" is a more apt term

[torpid crow]

wooting pls make then

[stone flax]

100x time more apt

[torpid crow]

the real endgame is norbauer stabs 💀

[polar girder]

lol fr

I forgot about those. Sheeeesh

[glacial wind]

60he pro wish list for me would be full pcb mount compatibility and no more plate mount, 8k poll/scan because why not and raw he stonewashed case

[torpid crow]

they seem cool but i would want to try them irl before buying

[tidal frigate]

They are just concept right

[torpid crow]

no theyre real

theyre going to be in his $3400 topre tkl

[stone flax]

they exist

theres a proof of concept

[torpid crow]

its like the most insane thing ive ever seen

[stone flax]

and its been made

[polar girder]

lol that’s sweet

Exciting

[stone flax]

MORE LAYOUT OPTIONS IN ONE PCB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[tidal frigate]

Fuckin gatekeeper

[stone flax]

honestly

[calm pulsar]

I think norbauer stabs will be in his crazy expensive keyboard

[stone flax]

skip anything for a new pcb

just let me use tsangan

on my wooting

[calm pulsar]

that's like 10k usd or smth

[stone flax]

ffs

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s the thing idk if a pleb like me will ever have the chance to cop some norbauer stabs lol

[torpid crow]

idk if its gatekeeping, he straight up said himself "this is an unreasonable and impractical price but i wanted to make something without any consideration for cost and only the truly unhinged people will want to buy it anyway"

[tidal frigate]

So it would be me

[torpid crow]

ill excuse norbauer's insane behaviour, at least he's upfront and honest and also he's lowkey a god when it comes to customer service

[polar girder]

I mean if the stabs are like at or below $100ish I would consider them

[torpid crow]

hmmmmm

[polar girder]

But not like $300 lol

[fluid ravine]

What was I asking for again
I forgot

[torpid crow]

if they were in the $300-400 i would maybe like

[polar girder]

Just look at the picture silly lol

[torpid crow]

use them exclusively in like a Unikorn or OTD 356mini or some super grail endgame build

[cold bloom]

Someone on stream once asked where you'd consider them price wise as an option, most said 100$ for one set, 50$ they might get multiple

[tidal frigate]

If he released patent to public they would be cheap very quickly

[cold bloom]

yup

[stone flax]

he doesnt need to

[cold bloom]

if they were guaranteed to never tick or rattle I'd pay like 50$ probably

[fluid ravine]

[stone flax]

we all know china is gonna pump out norbalizers

within months

[cold bloom]

that's prob the most for me

[stone flax]

and sell them for 30

like

[polar girder]

The wrist rest things lol

[stone flax]

100%

[cold bloom]

def need that to happen

[fluid ravine]

OH

Right

[uneven cradle]

design looks way too complicated to ever be a practical solution for the mainstream keyboard market

[fluid ravine]

😭

[polar girder]

Yeah I mean to be fair even $50 is crazy for stabs

But like end game unique top of the line experience is worth some cash

[tidal frigate]

It is worth a price

[cold bloom]

yeah maybe for one board

or two

[polar girder]

Right

Like me

[stone flax]

this just isnt true

[tidal frigate]

Well for custom keyboard hobbyist or #🔧│keyboard_modding it would be worth

[stone flax]

stabs have quite literally the highest diminishing return

[polar girder]

Only one keyboard forever lol

[stone flax]

especially with skill difference

[uneven cradle]

keyboard hobbyist would just tune $7 cherry stabs to get the same outcome

[stone flax]

a 1000 dollar keyboard can use properly tuned 2 dollar cherry clipins

like oml

u dont need 50 doollar stabs

[polar girder]

Couldn’t be me

[stone flax]

if any thing its something bespoke for skill issues

lol

[cold bloom]

I just completely redid my cherry clip ins on my salvation and they're great now

learned my over lubing lessons

[stone flax]

saying u needed $60 pretuned stabs is not a flex imo

[glacial wind]

hell keyboard hobbyist barely need to even tune now that Korean vendors are starting to sell prebalanced wires

[cold bloom]

no more of a social question, would you pay 50$ if they were guaranteed to never have issues at all?

I prob would

but that's not the reality

[tidal frigate]

Why you are calling me out

[stone flax]

cherry clip in

c3 wire

done

[cold bloom]

yup

[stone flax]

cherry clip in

geon wire

done

[cold bloom]

I wanna try the geon balanced wire

yeah

[stone flax]

what?

why spend 50 when u can spend 7 bucks

[polar girder]

I feel like all stab wires should be balanced wires, no?

[cold bloom]

it's not a why question

[torpid crow]

yessir

[tidal frigate]

I have skill issue

[cold bloom]

it's a would you consider it

[stone flax]

they are

[stone elbow]

How do pre balanced wires work for shipping, wouldn't it unbalance itself if something goes wrong?

[stone flax]

most stabs are properly balanced as they are from the factory

[torpid crow]

i disagree with blacksimon on a great many things but the man knows game

[stone flax]

its shipping and wobbling that wonks them out

[cold bloom]

they have diff tolerances just like diff switch manufacturers, also diff environments can warp metals etc in shipping storage etc

[calm pulsar]

how balanced are the geon balanced wires

[stone flax]

this most of the time

[cold bloom]

Straightness: ±0.1mm (Refer to Notes)

[glacial wind]

Supposedly come perfect but I haven’t tried them

[cold bloom]

according to his site

[cold bloom]

Minimal Deformation: Produced with wire balance equipment, ensuring an error margin within ±0.1mm.

[polar girder]

So should I buy Geon balanced wires and swagkeys knight stabs?

[cold bloom]

sure

[polar girder]

Ok, dad. Thanks!

[torpid crow]

cheery clip ins, c3 wires. done

[cold bloom]

LOL

[glacial wind]

Well if you want, but knights already come with good wires

[polar girder]

Ok yeah I figured so. I just don’t get the whole balanced wire thing

[stone flax]

??????/

literally why

[glacial wind]

a lot of these top tier stabs nowadays don’t even need perfect balancing

[polar girder]

But so far my stab wires just sit flat on my iPhone. Idk lol

[calm pulsar]

knights probably come iwth good wires already lol

[stone flax]

i know this guy blocked me but he just does the most intersting things

[stone flax]

because iphones can be magnetic

get a proper flat surface

[polar girder]

They better

[tidal frigate]

Wire not balanced makes tick sound

[fluid ravine]

Mine doesnt

[polar girder]

After waiting for 6 months

[cold bloom]

https://geon.works/products/geon-tweak-board

[polar girder]

Ahhh ok so that’s the tick

[stone flax]

also wire thickness problems can negate any effect the "better" wires do

plus

adaptive stabs

do not really have problems

[polar girder]

lol I’ve been tempted in the past NGL

[cold bloom]

same lmao

[stone flax]

even if wires are slightly unbalanced

the injection kinda deals with that

[glacial wind]

Like those typeplus stabs come with slightly unbalanced wires a lot of the time and still work perfectly fine with lube

[stone flax]

same reason why a bunch of stabs dont necessarily need grease and sound better stock than traditional stabs

[stone flax]

exactly yeah

[calm pulsar]

yeah I'm just going to use the cherry clip-ins

tired of looking for stabs that work with wooting

[stone flax]

why did bigsly block me

is it because i know about what he did

[calm pulsar]

lol I forgot abt that

[stone flax]

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder btw this whole time mjj is trying to save your money but you seem to have blocked him

[polar girder]

Yeah I mean that’s the thing. If they work they work

Yes and I’m glad I do 😵‍💫

Thanks for trying to help tho lol

See I’m not the type of keyboard enthusiast that goes through the effort to tune wires

Idk unless there’s an easy way it seems so tedious

[cold bloom]

probably cause he wants to enjoy a hobby and learn himself rather than have someone tell him what is already the best to do

[stone flax]

and yet u want to buy both geon stab wires and knights

[cold bloom]

bro still going

[stone flax]

redundant and useless

[cold bloom]

you might wanna let it go pal

[polar girder]

Yeah that guy is a confrontational elitist douche bag. And he can keep my name out of his mouth and carry on with his life and not worry about me. I’m just not going to ever mention him again.

Anyway

Knight stabs in black when

[cold bloom]

I need a beer

[polar girder]

[stone flax]

i know ur past

[fluid ravine]

Need a orange juice

[stone elbow]

eh wire tuning doesn't seem too difficult to do from the few videos i watched but yeah it's fine if you wanna spend more instead of going through the trouble

[glacial wind]

They’re already restocked in Korean store. Probably global store in the next week sometime

[polar girder]

I could go for some coconut water. Feeling a little dry

[polar girder]

Sick dude thanks

Yeah hoping I catch the divinikey restock to save on shipping

I don’t think there’s anything else I need

[cold bloom]

everytime I think to order knight stabs they're out, then when they're back in I don't get them for some reason

next time I gotta grab some

[uneven cradle]

Alright let's keep it civil

[calm pulsar]

no, we're gonna overpay for keyboard stuff

[fluid ravine]

[polar girder]

I remember seeing them when they first dropped and I was like, I don’t need those. Stock stabs are great!

[glacial wind]

You missed out on gold wire knights. Forever you will be on normie silver colored wires

[cold bloom]

I don't love gold wires tbh

[torpid crow]

i'm a black wire enjoyer

[polar girder]

Plus I had the plate mount TX AP that I thought would hold me over

[glacial wind]

-5 king points

[fluid ravine]

I'm not normal i swear!

[torpid crow]

i think gold, silver, and black all have their place

[polar girder]

But alas…

I would prefer gold or black wire over silver for sure lol

[calm pulsar]

what if I take the gold wires from my old cmmk plate mounts

[polar girder]

Are the Geon balances wires gold?

[quiet bay]

silver

[glacial wind]

Nah silver

[polar girder]

Rats

[calm pulsar]

ah cause normies don't tune their wires so they buy from geon, got it

[polar girder]

Ez

[glacial wind]

Honestly I don’t even think you need to tune wires anymore lol

[polar girder]

Geon is the normie savior

[fluid ravine]

So what does that make me

[polar girder]

PRAISE BE

[glacial wind]

Both knight v2 and typeplus stabs work perfectly fine even if wire isn’t perfectly balanced

[polar girder]

Yung Tenz

[fluid ravine]

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m not that worried about it

[cold bloom]

[polar girder]

Good to know that if I hear ticking it’s an unbalanced wire tho

[glacial wind]

The old style stabs definitely need wire balance though. I can still hear tiny bit of ticking on right side of my wooting 60he stab just because I was too lazy to take it apart and balance

[stone flax]

need more injected clip ins to pop up

i hate dealing with washers flying

also just takes longer to test stabs

[fossil palm]

question can i use low profile keycaps for wooting 80he ? to reduce the height of the keyboard and also if yes which ones ?

[late quest]

are dye sub keycaps bad for our keyboards?

[hard flower]

How do you balance the stab?

[quiet bay]

bend it till it's straight

[polar girder]

Stab wire*

[polar girder]

Not that I’m aware of ..

[hard flower]

Ah, gotcha

[polar girder]

If it has MX stem but idk if that’s a thing

But I’m also clueless

Might look weird on non low profile switch tho cuz it’s still just as high

[calm pulsar]

low profile keycaps will look goofy cause they will be floating and they will not lower the actual height

[hard flower]

Are the stock stabs generally good enough, or are there recommended clip-in replacements?

[fossil palm]

sadge

[polar girder]

I like the stock stabs yeah

[calm pulsar]

just lube them and you should be good

and tune the wires if there's any ticking

[late quest]

then why do people prefer doubleshot keycaps instead of dye sub?

[polar girder]

It’s just diff production methods for keycaps

[hard flower]

For sure. I lubed mine earlier today. Two he sounds a lot better, but I still prefer the 60he sound. Probably plate & mounting differences now that they're lubed properly. No more rattle tho

[calm pulsar]

crisper legends and they will not fade in time

[polar girder]

It’s like painted on vs two different colors of plastic

But not painted

But you get the idea hopefully

[calm pulsar]

tbh I think someone already explained this to this guy last time

but he really wants some superhero art dyesub set, and someone was trying to talk him out of spending 70 bucks or smth on it lol

[polar girder]

Just buy them then lol

[late quest]

how long do dye sub keycaps last before fading?

[calm pulsar]

never used them so I dunno
if its a good quality set maybe it’ll be perfectly fine for years

[stone flax]

this

more so short term problems would be texture loss and eventual shining

but actual legend fading on good dyesub sets is unlikely even given years

worn in decades old cherry dyesubs

even through yellowing

legends arent heavily faded

[late quest]

how about those clear plastic keycaps are they good?

[glacial wind]

Yeah generally decently done dyesub has no real durability issues

[stone flax]

tbf the kinda dyesub he was looking at and sharing here

was not that

lol

[glacial wind]

lol

I want that windows 1998 dye sub set but I don’t even know where I’d use it

[uneven cradle]

Might get this for the 80he 👀https://cafege.com.au/products/keykobo-c-o-l

Could be a good match for the raw

[untold wigeon]

On a keyboard???

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-burger-burger-cat-cat-burger-gif-3736561558572180499

[cyan zodiac]

should of bought from our store with your frog

[cold bloom]

when 100% just isn't enough

[quiet bay]

holy long

[cold bloom]

"the compensator"

aptly named

[quiet bay]

heck bro I think that might be as long as the deskmat bigsly gave me LOL

[cold bloom]

LMAO

[polar girder]

Lolzz

[fluid ravine]

nah we gotta talk about that glarses keyboard(s)

[cold bloom]

the giant one he brought to work? LOL

[stark osprey]

I think he means the one on top of the Compensator lol

With the Zooteds

[cold bloom]

Glarses is a youtuber

I don't think that's his keeb in the photo

unless I'm missing some reference to him in the photo lol

[stark osprey]

Ah gotcha haha ok, yeah now Im wondering which one, cause there's also sunglasses in the photo, and what appears to be a glass-like keeb case

[cold bloom]

I thought he just meant the compensator cause glarses always does wildly proportioned keyboard videos lol

he had 1 where he brought a keyboard so big into an office he had to use a wheel cart to bring it in in two pieces

[fluid ravine]

nah nah

he made a keyboard that is combined 3 into 1

not the giantic ass one

[cold bloom]

he also made a giant one

monkeytype supremacy

[fluid ravine]

@cold bloom

[cold bloom]

[calm pulsar]

my all time favorite is the combination of the title "reasonably sized keyboard" and the fricking picture

[glacial wind]

Glarses honestly the best keyboard guy at making viral YouTube friendly videos

[calm pulsar]

true, I had to get some from kbdfans lul

[glacial wind]

The man truly understands YouTube is about thumbnail and a fun story lol

[calm pulsar]

I might get some plate mount TX AP as you suggested as well if I run into any issues

[knotty iron]

i finished modding the 60HE+ Alumaze for now and it sounds really good

[fluid ravine]

no keyboards were harm

trust

[inland saddle]

Is geon planning on realising any new HE switches cause I tried the raw and they felt amazing but the sound definitely felt off

[glacial wind]

Raw literally just came out lol

[inland saddle]

Yeah but I hoped they will release closed out aswell idk

[glacial wind]

I’m sure he’ll have more in the future but would take awhile since these ones just came out recently

[inland saddle]

Unlucky

[glacial wind]

Close out won’t help if you dislike the sound

That just makes them even clackier

If you’re looking for thock like mx switch then they don’t exist yet until someone redesigns he switches

[inland saddle]

Maybe I should try a different plate but I don’t think it will help if anything it will make them even higher pitched

[glacial wind]

Yeah just the design of he switches tend to make it a bit clacky, no one has really figured out how to go other way yet

[inland saddle]

I have the WS dash for now they are ok sound wise the geons had a better feel tho

[glacial wind]

You can do the open bottom deeper sound switches, just that they sound a bit empty/hollow

[inland saddle]

Also I prefer the stem color even if you can’t see it

Yeah I guess I will thug it out for now probably still gonna stick to geon for the feel and just cope with the sound

[devout totem]

Finally got to make it quack

[glass comet]

would .5mm poron switch pads have any effect on the performance?

[cyan zodiac]

we got new plates for frog mini what has cutout for clip ins

so you can also do o-ring

of you want

[cyan zodiac]

[uneven cradle]

what's the eta on those

[glacial wind]

Hrm this guy sand his pcb? https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/s/H1iye8huyn

He got typeplus stabs to fit somehow

[cyan zodiac]

best to ask john

i don't really deal with the logistic

i just pack orders

[cyan zodiac]

why would you need to sand pcb to make stabs work?

[glacial wind]

the screw in slots on 60he+ are a bit small due to being hybrid plate+pcb mount openings, so some stabs don't fit

tx ap, typeplus both been confirmed to have issues fitting depending on how lucky you get with tolerance

[cyan zodiac]

i legit tried tx AP and it works

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1276396199569784832/IMG_6872.mov?ex=66dd2698&is=66dbd518&hm=3d1e4e6679b956c45192c3b32e3be91298d09ec55a0116092c7e930d72a3c9cf&

been using tx for the longest time

never had issues

[cold bloom]

I think he means on the wooting supplied/produced plates

there are sometimes issues, sometimes not

[glacial wind]

yeah we have some folks who have it working on stock wooting too, but a lot who got stuck stabs

[cyan zodiac]

gg

[glacial wind]

it's a bit hit or miss based on the tolerances - wooting have talked about it on stream and they can't change it until they remove plate stabs altogether from their prebuilt

i do hope their secret 60he pro just means they scrap plate stabs altogether when they move over to it

[cyan zodiac]

i mean just make the plates compatitible with clip ins

and there you go

no need to make a new pcb

[glacial wind]

They have to make new pcb anyway to fit 8k mcu on it they said

[cyan zodiac]

cool

[glacial wind]

So must as well take the opportunity to make it all fully compatible with all pcb stabs while they’re at it

[cyan zodiac]

make it 7u bottom thanks

but the thing is it already is compatible with clip in

just the plate that is causing tolerance issues

cause if you install clip in without the plate they work fine

[glacial wind]

Thing is if they make the hole bigger it no longer fits plate mount

I’m more curious if 60he pro is a full refresh where they discontinue current 60he after they launch it or not

[cyan zodiac]

just scrap plate mount

and go screw ins and clip in

there is a reason why plate mount stabs are in the past

[glacial wind]

Yeah I think that would be their plan if they discontinue the current pre built 60he

[marsh saffron]

Cries in non + 60he

[glacial wind]

yeah that's one of reasons i sold my old 60he and will rebuy in future if I want. I like messing around with different stabs

[marsh saffron]

I want plate mounts with built in holee mod

But I know it's probably not gonna happen because who cares about plate mount stabd

[cyan zodiac]

holee mod just makes your stabs mushy

[marsh saffron]

Mine don't really feel mushy

And it makes them sound nice (imo)

I used medical tape for mine

[fresh citrus]

yucky

i have so much keyboard stuff coming im hype ugh

just want to put it all in

[cyan zodiac]

nice

did you get anything from us?

[fresh citrus]

ye i ordered some pbtfans caps

[cyan zodiac]

[fresh citrus]

nothing i wanted from you guys 😦

[cyan zodiac]

x ray?

oh

gg

[fresh citrus]

i got kabuki cho r2

[cyan zodiac]

[fresh citrus]

noooooooo

i felt like the xray wouldnt look good

[marsh saffron]

I'm still so impatient waiting for mine

[fresh citrus]

on my black case

for le 2he

[marsh saffron]

Arrives at deskhero in November 😭

[cyan zodiac]

i wish it was shine through

if it was

[marsh saffron]

I'm glad it's not

[fresh citrus]

i love me some shine through

[cyan zodiac]

i would bought it

[fresh citrus]

i was so close as well

if it was i would've too

[marsh saffron]

I wanted to move away from shine through but I still like having nice looking rgb

[cyan zodiac]

i have too many gmk sets and no shinethrough

[marsh saffron]

X-ray is perfect for it

[cyan zodiac]

let the rgb flow

[marsh saffron]

And matches my setup

[fresh citrus]

i got my current ducky puddings

and now this coming

yumyum

[cyan zodiac]

very nice

[fresh citrus]

i just hope i dont have the cracked semi translucent problem

that alot of people are complaining about

[marsh saffron]

• pbtfans xray is gonna be 🔥

[fresh citrus]

its gonna pop off

[cyan zodiac]

hell yeah

[marsh saffron]

I'm so excited but it's so far away

[cyan zodiac]

gg

[fresh citrus]

if i get this stuff im gonna cry

would be a fat rip

[marsh saffron]

Taken from #1070668460905988106

[fresh citrus]

then id have to ask for replacements

[fresh citrus]

mmmmmm

[marsh saffron]

Lemme find cams vids/pics of his

Uploading rn

[glacial wind]

There’s a lot of people doing xray plus frost case I think

[fresh citrus]

lesgo

[fresh citrus]

looks good so i dont blame them

[marsh saffron]

Yeah I seen that in the 80he channel

[glacial wind]

I’ve definitely seen at least 3-5 people saying they’re planning on that combo

[marsh saffron]

That + white zinc

[fresh citrus]

when i see the 80he possibilities im like

fomo hard out

hahaha

makes me question if i really do need the numpad

but its fine

[marsh saffron]

So excited

[glacial wind]

I bought numpad for my game1989 set even though I don’t have numpads at all lol

Just in case I get one in the future to match the 80he set

[marsh saffron]

The purple with it👌

[fresh citrus]

oooh looks good

[elfin garnet]

Been traveling with work so I haven’t been on here. The monitor is sick. Colors are great and it’s super fast. The 24,5 inch mode is really good for CS2. I turn that on and play in 4:3 which I’m used to but with OLED picture quality and 480hz. It’s great

[warped pewter]

WHAAAAAT NON WASD ARROW KEYYS?

[crimson crown]

yep. i use ESDF to move

[warped pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-car-gif-6360379418477262515

[crimson crown]

gives more room for binds to the left

A, Q, and W are especially nice to have as like weapon switch keys in games with 3 weapons

so you dont have to reach up to the number keys

[warped pewter]

hehehe

not a problem for me and my 16 button mouse

:^)

[crimson crown]

i personally dont like having a whole ass numpad on my mouse

[warped pewter]

i don't either

help

[crimson crown]

also by 16 button are you counting mouse1 mouse2 and mouse3

[warped pewter]

12 on the side + dpi button + m1,2,3

razer naga x

[crimson crown]

have fun when it falls apart on you

[warped pewter]

[crimson crown]

ive heard razer nagas just do that (fall apart on people)

[warped pewter]

that's okay i love lego

[crimson crown]

what keycaps did you actually order btw

since you mentioned you were waiting on your actual ones to come in

@warped pewter

[warped pewter]

i cheaped out and bought a cheap set of blank grey pbt caps

ideally i would've gotten the mac style symbols but everything side printed but i couldn't find anything i liked

[crimson crown]

tbh partially the reason i like putting accent keys on esdf is because i want people to see from my keyboard that i use esdf to move

i didnt have that with the previous keycap set i was using though

was some cheap ass side legend shinethrough keycaps that i somehow paid way too much for

the higher quality ones i have now costed about the same for me yet theyre a lot higher quality

[glacial wind]

should go the full psychopath. Use space bar to move

[warped pewter]

new wooting idea, replace space stabilizers with switches so we can bind entire movement to spacebar

generational genius or absolutely insane?

[paper bloom]

If you ask me its do able rlly solves out the stab problems LOL

[warped pewter]

💀

[late quest]

keycaps link?

[sleek wagon]

FINALLY

[teal geode]

best stab wires?

[cyan zodiac]

c3

i find tx wires nice as well

[teal geode]

where from im struggling to find any

i found this actually

https://keeb.supply/products/cherryc3-stabilizer

[glacial wind]

that's a whole stab kit isn't it

if you want just the wire search c3 equalz stabilizers wire

geon also recently launch his prebalanced wires too with good reviews, but I haven't tried them myself

[teal geode]

i want cherry clip ins aswell

bc i want to friction mount

[teal geode]

only problem with ordering from geon is i have no idea when its coming lol

i ordered raws

and i have no clue when i will get em lol

[stone elbow]

you have no tracking number ?

[teal geode]

not yet

[stone elbow]

when did you order?

[teal geode]

thursday

[stone elbow]

maybe they'll process it on monday if they haven't

[teal geode]

hopefully

[devout totem]

PIIFOX Wandering Plan
https://piifoxer.com/products/piifox-wandering-plan-cherry-oem-profile-keycap-set?variant=45065552527534

[glacial wind]

you might have missed cutoff timing for shipping before weekend since korea is day ahead and they don't ship on weekends. Typically geon overseas shipping is insanely fast though once it's sent

[teal geode]

alr

[flat cobalt]

@polar girder I'm so upset I missed those 3 artisans

[teal geode]

shipping price from geon is high af though

like 25 dollars is crazy

22

[stone elbow]

dhl is really fast, idk how they do it

[late quest]

divinekey better

[glacial wind]

that's all korean vendors because they use dhl/ups

[flat cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-car-dance-garn-garn47-car-car-dance-gif-8721217633335081822

[teal geode]

im from the uk
its way more from divinekey

like its a total of maybe 70 dollars from divinekey

i got it from geon for 45

[cyan zodiac]

yeah you can buy that

alternatively we sell c3 wires and cherry clip ins

[calm pulsar]

are they available now?

[cyan zodiac]

just need to take photo and listing

[polar girder]

Fr

Yeah now I just stopped caring

Although debating might buy this

There is a more matte one

But I think it’s more full black than sparkle

And the one keycap I saw looked pretty matte

I guess someone got a sample from GMK at a convention or something but not the Cosmos guy 😅😅

[flat cobalt]

I saw lol

[teal geode]

what mounting system is frog mini?

[polar girder]

Tadpole

[teal geode]

...

[polar girder]

What

I’m not joking

[teal geode]

ik i jus looked

[polar girder]

Ok cool

[teal geode]

is the 461E keyboard Case any good

[polar girder]

Yeah so it’s a two part case with little rubber grommets of sorts that lock the plate in with the case type shit

[polar girder]

Idk just came out. “Good” is highly subjective

It’s unique and cool

[teal geode]

i havent seen anything on it

[polar girder]

Yeah most people haven’t received it yet

It just got off pre-order

[teal geode]

i mean it tray mounts directly to the bottom of the case

interesting

[polar girder]

You can tray mount it

That’s pretty standard

But it has a silicone pad thing

For like friction fit also

It’s unique

[teal geode]

rubberr gasket

[polar girder]

No

[teal geode]

yes

ruber gasket

[polar girder]

I mean there’s facts and then there’s what you choose to believe

I can’t argue the latter

[polar girder]

Yeah

Read more

Silicone

[teal geode]

oh i see

nb

mb

[polar girder]

All good

[teal geode]

i need to hear a sound test of this

[polar girder]

But yeah it’s like a friction fit silicone pad

[teal geode]

it looks interesting

[polar girder]

It’s cool

[teal geode]

i like the design as well

[calm pulsar]

461e is pretty much like 80he it seems

the mounting system

[polar girder]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2236509104

[polar girder]

Nah bro

80HE is two part case

With actual gasket

461e and optimum care are very similar tho

They both come with silicone plate pads that have extra on the perimeter to hold in place in a tray mount case made to accompany them

[teal geode]

i might replace my redux for it tbh

if it sounds good

to me

[stone elbow]

cam makes taking out switches look so easy

i struggle a lot with that

[dawn stag]

i just want the keycaps optimum had

[teal geode]

reverse dye sub?

[dawn stag]

it was just a new color of the wooting side printed keycaps

[teal geode]

is that the only vid on the case?

[cyan zodiac]

corner look like a nipple

[uneven cradle]

They don't call it the nipple case for no reason

[cyan zodiac]

[untold wigeon]

Only logical caps for this case are the 80082

[cyan zodiac]

true

[calm pulsar]

80he gasket is the silicon pad between pcb and plate

which is the same for 461e

[glacial wind]

was optimum case confirmed to have this? I thought that was just guesses

[polar girder]

I mean 60HE has a silicone pad but that doesn’t mean much

80HE is legit two part case

[polar girder]

Oh idk. I just heard so much about it I thought it was. Could be wrong idk

[polar girder]

Some do call it “The Nipple Case”

[polar girder]

I’m sure there’s others but idk sorry

[teal geode]

all g