🔧│keyboard_modding

[stone flax]

also do note a dedicated oil for springs arent technically necessary

thinner lubes like 205g0/3204 can work perfectline with brush/donut dips

just that bag lubing springs is soo much less time consuming and easy

[hallow wing]

ill do this then

[stone flax]

any good synthetic oil would work

[rich phoenix]

is it me or does tape mod on the 60HE only yield marginal improvements?

Like i Literally can't hear a difference between stock

[glacial wind]

yeah tape mod isn't really meant to do some giant drastic changes

you may have to do a bunch of layers to even hear a difference and whether the difference will be what you want is subjective

[pulsar schooner]

I do 5 layers generally

[polar girder]

lol

[untold wigeon]

5 is a lot

[polar girder]

Tape mod overrated

[pulsar schooner]

I love the smell of painters tape so I just keep going

[polar girder]

Based

[untold wigeon]

lol.

[hallow wing]

oh i was gonna ask if i should do a tape mod

[polar girder]

Like free basing

[hallow wing]

guess i wont lol

[polar girder]

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-wwe-smell-gif-16277621

[pulsar schooner]

[fluid ravine]

real

smelled so good i went for 10 layers

it was so addicting i wasted 3 rolls of masking tape

[rich phoenix]

On the stock steel plate I just couldn't really hear any difference. Might redo when the PC plate gets here

My 3m automotive masking tape just smelled like pure poison

that rubber adhesive is spooky strong

[loud zephyr]

the most overlooked mod and the gateway to greatness; a standard keycap instead of a spacebar

[stone flax]

most overlooked mod back then was fixing stabs properly omg

bandaid mod

holee mod

tape

medicine tape

spacebar foam

sillicone dampeners

[glacial wind]

i'm so glad we barely have to do anything to stabs nowadays

[dapper tartan]

I've got wuque stabs with silicone in my board right now, plan on putting those in the wooting 80

[glacial wind]

the old stab tweaking was such a pain in the butt

[stone flax]

stupids

or 3.1?

[dapper tartan]

3.1

[stone flax]

[dapper tartan]

I think

Not sure tbh, Been a year since i built my board

But I've made all sorts of choices I wouldn't make again 🥲

[stone flax]

imagine unironically buying durock v2 stabs and having to do spend 20mins fenangling a bandaid inside the housing when u could just buy this

[fluid ravine]

stupid ass stabs

[stone flax]

it is

stupid

maiz

paigu

[fluid ravine]

😂

[stone flax]

same exact stabilizers lol

i think unikeys has one now

atleast its a recolor

😭

[stone flax]

whered u buy this btw

[dapper tartan]

I looked up which one I bought, were the 3.1's. Bought them directly from wuque back then

[stone flax]

worst stabs i ever used

[glacial wind]

i think geon still has wuque 3.1 stock he's been heavily discounting to get rid of them lol

[vague star]

aw ehh isnt that an issue with lube escaping over time or something? or what does semi open/hybrid mean? @paper bloom or why do you prefer em to jades?. no need to apologize lol appreciate the reply

[stone flax]

they so bad its not even funny

for their original price

[stone flax]

semi open bottoms

[glacial wind]

ah here it is. I knew I saw some when I was picking up my extra raw he switches. discounted to $5

[stone flax]

raw he

[dapper tartan]

Whats so bad about them? I mean, maybe I dont know what to look for, or maybe I've had to many issues to notice some more

[stone flax]

regular open bottom

[vague star]

oh like the hole is smaller?

so... the sound still escapes but not as much?

[stone flax]

my wonderous experience with them #🔧│keyboard_modding message

[glacial wind]

the magnet closes the hole shut when it fully presses down

[fluid ravine]

Open

[fluid ravine]

"Hybrid"

[stone flax]

yes but other than that

[fluid ravine]

closed

[stone flax]

the fact the stem pole/magnet actually has something to bottom out on makes the sound more emphatic and the bottom out more strong

[loud zephyr]

bring back membrane keyboards

[fluid ravine]

LOL

[loud zephyr]

too many moving parts these days

all the lube

[fluid ravine]

😂

[stone flax]

open bottoms that bottom out on rail kinda feel hollow

[vague star]

gotcha... so the sound ends up being... good still cause the magnet closes it?

[glacial wind]

yeah they sound very similar to jades basically and you don't run into the open bottom issues

[dapper tartan]

Hm, yeah I think since I never really was pleased with how this board works, I never put in the effort to fine tune the sound and feel. Who knows, I might feel the same as you do when the new one arrives

[vague star]

so weird... i dont get why they have open/hybrid bottoms in the first place- like why not keep em closed

[stone flax]

bottom outs on pole actually slamming into the bottom housing

doesnt leak lube

doesnt leak sound

[glacial wind]

i'd wager so the magnet has a clear los, but that's totally guessing

[vague star]

yea i just dont get it if the magnetic jades work fine with the closed bottom then why bother- weird

[dapper tartan]

Love that this discord is pretty active and sane, I'm sure when the time comes I'll get all the advice I need to make it work like a charm

[glacial wind]

work fine and work the best are not always the same

[stone flax]

for all intents and purposes you should consider them to be very similar, despite raws having a hole they have more in line with jades than most other offerings

[paper bloom]

The sound profile is close to jades

[glacial wind]

the impressive thing is honestly that geon took all the feedback from raptor switches and launched the raw he so quickly after it

[paper bloom]

This is wat i call proactivity

[stone flax]

its because geon good

[vague star]

true i just dont get the benefit of closed vs semi-open. but yea mad respect for geon since i came from the mechanical keeb hobby

[stone flax]

we explained it

like 4 different ways

akin to pole bottom out

more emphatic sound

no leakage

[vague star]

oh sorry i misunderstood- so semi open still doesn't leak?

[glacial wind]

this was in december when he had just launched the raptors and was reaching out to early users for feedback

[polar girder]

Leak what lol

[glacial wind]

and raws came out what 6 months later lol

[stone flax]

leak lube

[polar girder]

semi closed has a hole

it can leak

closed bottom has no hole

[glacial wind]

they don't leak lube, at least i haven't seen any in mine

[polar girder]

it can't leak

i have open bottom and lube leaking is not a concern

[fluid ravine]

Well in my experience there hasn't been any leak

[stone flax]

nope

[fluid ravine]

so note that

[glacial wind]

because the hole isn't around the outside rim i haven't seen any leaking

[dapper tartan]

How much lube does one use to have "leakage"?

[stone flax]

bigsly is like being wrong here, raws shouldnt leak due to the rim size and fully open designed bottoms do leak

idk why hes saying these things

[vague star]

yea okay i can understand that- compared to the original fully open hole that is exposed to the rim + magnet

[stone flax]

maybe some open bottoms dont

but they by design would

[vague star]

well i guess semi open is LESS LIKELY to leak

[glacial wind]

yeah they were literally designed to not leak as part of the changes to semi open hole

[vague star]

ah gotcha

[glacial wind]

they don't leak period. You'd have to purposely put the most absurd amount of lube to make them leak

[stone flax]

less likely and literally changed so that they dont leak are kinda different things

LOL

they dont

[vague star]

oh okay so the tolerances are good enough to not worry about it then- got it

[stone flax]

yeah

[polar girder]

whoops!

[vague star]

idk how the design was if it was just a smaller hole or if there was an internal rim or something

[fluid ravine]

Well on an open bottom housing HE switch you're able to see the full stem pole of the switch with the magnet in it while the semi you can see the magnet

[vague star]

yea i think i'd just need to take one apart to understand how the semi-closed isolates the lubed rails from the hole, but if it was specifically designed to address that and anecdotally seems to work, then that's good to hear

[stone flax]

raws implementation is kinda a one off thing for now right?

[rich phoenix]

Leaking is a PIA but the pcb is coated and the lube is dielectric so risks are minimal just some cleaning.

[stone flax]

every other closed bottom is just a closed bottom, no?

and everything outside of that is fully exposed

[rich phoenix]

i think the raw's hybrid is unique

[vague star]

the downside is more that the sound/feel of the switches change

[fluid ravine]

and correct my if i'm wrong, HE switches with closed/semi closed bottom housing with reduced travel has a increase in thickness on the bottom out floor to which hence why there is a shorter travel distance without having to change the length of the stem to make it a "long pole"

[vague star]

but yea electrically/functionally is fine

[paper bloom]

Not rlly in some way

But idk how to say it from my understandinh

But ima just say is that it depends on the stems length

[vague star]

that might be a part of it but the stem itself sticks out from the housing too so I think it was designed to have a reduced travel/"long pole bottom out"

[paper bloom]

And how strong u need for a magnetic force

The bottom housing closed or also depends on the magnetic interference

For each stem to bottom housong

[stone flax]

he's not talking about the he aspect or that

[paper bloom]

O i c

[stone flax]

but how the switches interaction and bottom out behavior makes them long-pole esque

[paper bloom]

Mb im rn ina game of val

LOL

[stone flax]

akin to mx

[fluid ravine]

cus from what i understand, if they changed the length of the stems, it could affect the magnetic distance requirments

[vague star]

the stem sticks out from the housing when fully pressed down still

[marsh olive]

What the hell is the difference between the Jade Pro and the Jade Max magnetic switches..

[vague star]

so i feel like it's just designed that way to be reduced travel for bottom out

[rich phoenix]

.... Wait theres a jade pro?

[marsh olive]

Dropped like a few days ago, there’s also a jade dual rail and a mini

And there’s a Jade Max that’s coming soon

leaked by some Chinese bilibili (youtube)er

But WHAT THE HELL is the difference between the pro and max

[glacial wind]

not much honestly. Very disappointing release unless the sound tests are amazing

[marsh olive]

is it gonna be bigger like an iPhone?

[rich phoenix]

marketing

[glacial wind]

literally just very minor stuff like spring change

[vague star]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-jade-pro-switch-set?srsltid=AfmBOoo4NLwmPgzFmriY2YezsPyBqHkNIZkIeJmwPG1MTD4HE0FyRQ_4&VariantsId=10854 says reduced stem wobble? idk

[fluid ravine]

Literally, jades are the iphones of HE switches

[marsh olive]

Isn’t there a spring change already with the jade pro’s, how come they’re gonna change the springs again?

[marsh olive]

[vague star]

oh it has a diffuser now

and longer spring, neat

[marsh olive]

I’m talking about the jade pro and jade max (unreleased)

[glacial wind]

well yeah that's what I mean. They spring changed the jade pros

that is the jade pros he linked

[marsh olive]

Yeah

[glacial wind]

gateron is already taking preorders

[vague star]

yea sorry just comparing with normal jades

[marsh olive]

I wanna know the difference between the pros and the max’s

[fluid ravine]

expensive and has minor changes throughout every release

[glacial wind]

max is rgb lol

[marsh olive]

Wdym

[glacial wind]

they're clear so you get better rgb

[marsh olive]

Like no greenish base color?

Oh

You know when they’ll release?

Or take preorders?

[vague star]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-dual-rail-magnetic-jade-mini-e-switch?srsltid=AfmBOorDjLaCLvF7JgkazmNg0r3JuKJvw124D0CuBLIFFIVwWT8l5ZJ1&VariantsId=10811 mini is clear too but different spring

[marsh olive]

For the max’s

[glacial wind]

'soon' since preorders are out already

i don't really see a reason to buy either over raw he which are cheaper and already have improved stem wobble

[rich phoenix]

Will the dual rails have the same comptability issue as the other dual rails?

[marsh olive]

I bought first batch jades

[glacial wind]

the only interesting release was the intergrated chip switch

[marsh olive]

And white KS-20’s

[glacial wind]

the others seem no better than just buying raw he

[rich phoenix]

Gateron is playing it up. I think the stem wobble improvements can't be that major. It would be like going from Lekker 1.5 to 2.0s

[vague star]

tbh i appreciate the longer spring but that's just personal preference

[vague star]

what issues?

[glacial wind]

springs i just never care about because anyone can spring swap the existing switches already

[rich phoenix]

if i remember correctly the other dual rails didn't work in the wooting pcb do to magnet issues?

[vague star]

oh hm no idea about that

[marsh olive]

Also what the hell is the fox switch

[glacial wind]

that's a different issue due to being different magnet

[marsh olive]

Why is a magnetic switch tactile

[glacial wind]

these will work fine with wooting, but dual rail is a scam anyway that doesn't do anything

you shouldn't care if a switch has dual rail or not

[vague star]

does TX or Sprit or someone sell the fat boi springs to swap for HE switches?

[rich phoenix]

Wasn't dual rail intended so they could cut tolerences more but still maintain the same level of stem stability?

[glacial wind]

for he switches you have to buy from geon or some chinese vendors specifically

[glacial wind]

that's their fake marketing yes - but in reality it does nothing of the sort

[vague star]

aahh okay lol yea i didnt know it was available- wouldnt have thought to check direct from Geon to springs

[glacial wind]

the wobble is due to just housing/stem tolerances and you improve the wobble by just improving the tolerance of the actual parts (the dual rail itself didn't really help)

[rich phoenix]

I do have some lekker 1.5 i can gut for some raptor hybrids

[glacial wind]

in fact some of the gateron dual rail switches in their various lines weren't even any tighter than the non dual rail counterparts

the whole thing was a bunch of nonsense

[vague star]

uhh sorry to spam but i don't see the HE springs https://geon.works/collections/springs

are they somewhere else?

[glacial wind]

i don't think he's selling them overseas yet

[vague star]

god damn it lol

[glacial wind]

there's some aliexpress vendors you can find for he springs though

[fluid ravine]

wooting

[stone flax]

HOUSING

RGB

[rich phoenix]

Tempted to raptors even though i just bought jades

[stone flax]

RRRRGGGGBBBBB

[stone flax]

raptors are bad

lol

[marsh olive]

BIGGER HOUSING???

WOWEE

[stone flax]

what?

no

[marsh olive]

tf

[stone flax]

transparent housings

for rgb

[rich phoenix]

butttt i can gut my lekkers and use their insidey bits to make a goofy switch

[marsh olive]

That’s not like apple

[stone flax]

rgb pro, spring and top housing swap, rgb max is the same but its all transparent for more rrrrggggbbbbb

[vague star]

dont do it just buy raw HEs

raptor is evolving backwards from jades

[marsh olive]

Raptor owners are just white KS-20 wannabes

who like black and red for some reason

[glacial wind]

they do sound a touch better than ks20 though, just due to the housing difference, but still not tight enough

[stone flax]

stemswapped raptors heehee

[rich phoenix]

So basically its just lekker 1.5/2

[stone flax]

its literally just graingolds

but

funny color

and geon name slapped on

[vague star]

for raw HE vs jades though, the people who have tried both prefer raws?

[stone flax]

have not seen someone say

they liked jades more

after trying both

and if they did

theyre wrong

[glacial wind]

i don't know a single person (including myself) who owns both and would pick jades over the raw

[vague star]

aw shiet

[glacial wind]

raw he is just the better switch straight up

[vague star]

i guess i might as well consider the sticky rice too? or why do you like the raw he more

[stone flax]

@glacial wind did u bother copping jade pros?

[glacial wind]

because raw he are just jades but tighter stem

[stone flax]

or just waiting for sound tests and reviews

[stone flax]

which one

[glacial wind]

nah unless they're some amazing sound change i can't see why I'd buy them over my raws

[vague star]

https://milktooth.com/products/switches/sticky-rice

[stone flax]

true

lekker pros might save us

(they wont)

[glacial wind]

please use the correct term

lekker moist

[stone flax]

no

[glacial wind]

honestly the price is what kills it even more for jade pro

if jade pro are just jades but tighter stem, then they're basically just raw he switches but most expensive lol

[stone flax]

offensive prices

[stone flax]

and if they arent

• if jade maxes cost even more

thats more than a dollar switch for rGb jaDeS

[glacial wind]

comparing prices in korea it's literally 2x the price to buy jade pro over raw he lol

[calm pulsar]

the jade pros still have that same closed bottom unlike raws, so even improved tolerances do not look that great

you could just put black knights uppers on your jades to achieve this, but it still won't be like raws in terms of a bit softer sound

[vague star]

did yall just buy raw HEs straight from Geon cause i don't see any vendors in other countries

[stone flax]

jade pros have diff top housings iirc

so it has that going for it

[vague star]

$25 shipping from korea

[stone flax]

divinikey for us

protypist i think? will carry soon

or some other eu vendor

[chrome willow]

I bought the FR4 plate from KBD fans for the 60HE module but am unable to screw the plate onto the pcb

any suggestions

[stone flax]

do u have standoffs

[vague star]

oh shit they're stocked in DK. goated. thanks bro

nvm OOS

[stone flax]

does he know?

[vague star]

[chrome willow]

can u make any suggestions on what I can cop

[stone flax]

its a question lol

do u have standoffs

[chrome willow]

I do not

anyone by chance know what size i need?

[stone flax]

this should workhttps://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-standoff-silicone-cover?

ask around tho

[calm pulsar]

lol its not it

[stone flax]

wait wtf

its a cover

[fluid ravine]

LOL

[calm pulsar]

@chrome willow you need "countersunk screw kit" from kbdfans, or smth like that

it will have the standoffs to screw the plate onto pcb

[fluid ravine]

https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-m2-3-countersunk-flat-head-screw-kit?srsltid=AfmBOorPENcosak-BZZapG41DXt6TeQZbj_-ONK6_8_xcTmxTcJqgaWs

[chrome willow]

oof any amazon alternative I didn't think to order these

[fluid ravine]

Wait shouldn't the plate kit come with standoffs

it should be in the package

[stone flax]

any m2 kit

it says what u need

[fluid ravine]

^

[chrome willow]

u know what im an idiot

[calm pulsar]

but does it include the posts themselves...

[chrome willow]

they were in the bottom of the box

[fluid ravine]

wym

see? told ya

hehhe

[stone flax]

grrrrrr

grrrrrrrrr

[chrome willow]

sorry sorry

[calm pulsar]

nice

[fluid ravine]

:D mue hehehehe

[stone flax]

🐺

grrr

[fluid ravine]

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

[stone flax]

[chrome willow]

should i go for poron or silicon foam

[fluid ravine]

[calm pulsar]

emote only ass chat

[stone flax]

if u dont know what u want

try both

then choose

[fluid ravine]

yeah

poron, silicone, nothing

[stone flax]

also try no pcb dampening

[fluid ravine]

i personally use nothing

[stone flax]

i use silicone

tastes yummy

[fluid ravine]

ermmm

[stone flax]

?

[fluid ravine]

too chewy

[stone flax]

i like it

good mouthfeel

[fluid ravine]

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hey-hello-creature-chewing-gif-24301538

[calm pulsar]

I use whipped cream for my pcb/plate foam

[stone flax]

no joke tho

first keyboard i had

i used olive oil to lube

[calm pulsar]

[fluid ravine]

i used dielectric grease

then a mysterious

[rich phoenix]

just use mayo

sometimes i feel frisky and use ketchup

[fluid ravine]

peanut butter>

[chrome willow]

can i ask why u prefer no dampening thackson?

[fluid ravine]

I prefer that natural sound of the switch and plate.

These pads/plate foams are used as sound acoustic modifiers which changes the pitch/tones of the board (even case foams), even the frequencies.

For poron it reduces high frequencies which it emphasizes on the lows and mids (thock). And for silicone however, it reduces the mids which depending on the pitch of the switch it will be more muted towards it's pitch (elaboration: if you take a high pitch sounding switch like jades or raws, and use the silicone pad with it, the sound becomes more muted and sharper as the mids gets lowered but now emphasizes on the high frequencies. Vice versa for neutral/low pitched switches like black knights or lekkers)

scrambler

[stone flax]

^^^^tldr

foam bad

sound dampener bad

outside keyboard is good tho

yummy keebmat

[calm pulsar]

I think foam isnt that bad for tray mount cases

[stone flax]

esp if theres no way around case ping than to absorb it yeah

[fluid ravine]

nothing wrong with plate foams, but i think they should be used on budget boards

[stone flax]

but thats just bad case design lending it to needing foam

[fluid ravine]

otherwise i dont really like using them on good boards

[fluid ravine]

cant wait for moine

where tf is it >:(

am alredy impatient for some damn reason

[fluid ravine]

now i think about it, i wonder how good this is for tray mount users

cus this kinda seperates and dampens the pcb and case contact

Idk what it's mainly used for but im assuming to protect the standoff xd

nvm

the other one

[calm pulsar]

I used this in my freebird60 when friciton mounted, cause the standoffs are not removable and when you friction mount it, the pcb sits low and touches the standoffs

[polar girder]

I love foam

[calm pulsar]

when I got the module I just put the included silicone rings on there

[polar girder]

Absorbs highs and shuts it tf up

[fluid ravine]

yeah i was thinking of buying these back then as well

[stone flax]

skill issue

we all grow up one day

[fluid ravine]

but my polyfill did that for me

so dont need

lul

[polar girder]

HE issue

Skill what

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

Bigsly too old :>

Unc status

🫶

[polar girder]

1 year older today actually

RIP

[fluid ravine]

rip

i dont wanna turn 16 yet D:

[flat temple]

What switches do you guys recommend for thoooccccy sound, jade?

[fluid ravine]

no]

[polar girder]

LOL

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

neutral or low

Like GUGU Black Knights, Lekker v2, KS20U, etc

^open bottom housing switches

[flat temple]

When are lekker v2 coming out tho..

[fluid ravine]

soon

real soon...

heh

[stone flax]

i hate this mindset carry over so much, ur not just gonna buy a switch like black knights, toss it into ur prebuilt 60he and it sounds like a thock demon straight out of a heavily edited lilshoosh video

[fluid ravine]

someone even has them already

[stone flax]

treat ur entire board for the sound u want

[polar girder]

Skill issue

[fluid ravine]

well they can figure it out >:*(

not our problem

respecfully

[stone flax]

dont make me bring up ur past

biggest skill issue of all

LOL

[fluid ravine]

[polar girder]

Tf does that even mean

[stone flax]

hahahaa

[fluid ravine]

yeah idk 😂

[polar girder]

I’m a noob?

[fluid ravine]

bro yappin idk

[stone flax]

more so uninformed

[flat temple]

So I should wait for v2 to come out before buying the 60 he…?

[fluid ravine]

english

[polar girder]

Yeah Wooting my first custom keyboard

[fluid ravine]

pulls up dictionary

[polar girder]

I’m not a keyboard nerd like some. Just a Wooting nerd that had to learn keyboard modding lol

[fluid ravine]

yeah!

[polar girder]

Bro is triggered cuz I said half bottom switches leak lube

[fluid ravine]

[polar girder]

Sorry I’m so uninformededed

I just assumed since there’s a hole it could get out

MY BAD, G

[fluid ravine]

ah it's spilling!

oh naurrr

D:

[polar girder]

Enjoy your elitism, lil bro

Night thack lol

[fluid ravine]

pulls up dictionary 2

[fluid ravine]

Nite nite

sleep well

[polar girder]

[fluid ravine]

tf does elitism mean

[stone flax]

?

hes being weird again

bro forgot his past

😔

[fluid ravine]

well ima trying to do homework and i lost as hell

[stone flax]

[calm pulsar]

its when people say that foam = bad because they recently picked this opinion up from keyboard streamers

in reality foam is just a tool that helps you tailor the sound to your taste, and it helps on budget/tray mount cases

and if you want a muted sound you can just go for it and stuff it with foam lul

[fluid ravine]

is this like the actual definition or are you just using a analogy (im assuming analogy)

if it's a analogy then yeah it makes sense

[stark osprey]

Foam was invented for a reason, some people ain't trying to hear alladat.

Just preference end of the day

[stone flax]

its not this lol

[calm pulsar]

haha yes it is an analogy

[stone flax]

he thinks its elitism bc open bottom switches leak lube

and he apprently doesnt believe so

[calm pulsar]

ahh maybe I was too lazy to read more

just finished my shift

[stark osprey]

I think it's more to do with the so called "sound meta" people really think exist. Idgaf if there even is one, I just know what my ears like and go with that.

[calm pulsar]

@stone flax
not sure entirely on the whole lube leak thing, but I DID think that it's a sin to buy a frog and not at least try a closed bottom switch in it

cause tbh I really think open bottom switch does not necessarily equal thock, it's just kind of hollow and empty

which SOMETIMES helps with a deeper sounding build, like Pochi's for example

[stone flax]

I mean it makes sense

[dapper tartan]

It's all a matter of opinions and preferences, all personal. If a mod doesn't break anything, there's nothing wrong or right about it, just try it and fuck around with it.

[stone flax]

hollow bottom + foam would equate to more of a sound impact that closed bottom + foam

meaning if ur looking for deep

open bottoms not only dont bounce as much sound back up but can have more of it absorbed by dampening for that thock

[calm pulsar]

yeah, it's cool that HE allows for such a switch structure

it's also interesting that in MX world, there are simply no open bottom switches, they all have stems that hit the bottom, but the term "thock" first appeared in the MX world

[fluid ravine]

ima back out, my eyes hurt from readin and i need brain cells to do this stoopid frigin hw

[stone flax]

rubrah domeh

[fluid ravine]

so gn to yall, im gonna have a mental break down :D

[calm pulsar]

gnight, dont stress too much

[fluid ravine]

Acne going crazy

[calm pulsar]

yeah but it's not quite like the standard cherry mx kinda switch I guess

[timid oriole]

is it worth switching out the silicone in the pcb and putting the foam?

[stone flax]

try it + report back

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[calm pulsar]

it is an order, soldier

[fluid ravine]

chat idk my laws 😭

[timid oriole]

i just built the keyboard like 1 hour ago so im just wondering from others opinions

[calm pulsar]

wait till you gotta pay taxes

[fluid ravine]

nah its for hw on what laws are applied similarily to the Hammurabi's code of law

it's nearly 12:40am and i have no tink

https://tenor.com/view/bts-bangtan-boys-bangtan-sonyeondan-bts-jin-jin-gif-17347270

[calm pulsar]

generally foam mutes higher frequencies and allows for lower frequencies to be more noticeable

silicone pad is kinda the opposite which makes the sound overall brigher

but ofc there's many variables to the sound, with most important being what kind of switch you have

[stone flax]

our opinion is not ur opinion, foam in your plate will run deeper the the silicon

[fluid ravine]

damn explained it similar than me

GOSH I CANT SPELL

[fluid ravine]

muted*

since silicone shortens mids, the sound becomes more muted

[timid oriole]

i see thats what i was kinda assuming i have Neo lavender he

[timid oriole]

🔥

[glacial wind]

Speaking of sound tests, that 80he with other switches sound test video should be coming soon shouldn’t it?

[fluid ravine]

I think Calder said smth about sanders doing mor configs with the 80he

in the latest video

[glacial wind]

Oh I mean sander already confirmed that video was in the works 2 weeks ago

But he said it might take 1-2 weeks to get it done

[fluid ravine]

o

interesante

[calm pulsar]

makes sense, so it kinda reduces vibrations which shortens the sound

[glacial wind]

I assume maybe it got pushed back a bit with the 60he v1/v2 comparison video maybe

[calm pulsar]

hw got bro speaking italics

[calm pulsar]

yeah if you have a closed bottom switch like lavenders I'd say it's worth trying foam cause it might help with taming the loud thud they usually have

[uneven cradle]

@fluid ravine go sleep or you get timed out

[fluid ravine]

but but-

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderator-discord-moderator-delete-moderator-snitch-gif-27063075

[fluid ravine]

im trying to write a paragraph explaining why the surface fogs up

[fluid ravine]

[uneven cradle]

Sounds like it can wait for you to get some sleep

[fluid ravine]

but it's due tomorrow D:

[uneven cradle]

well sounds like someone didn't manage their time correctly

[fluid ravine]

I'M DONE

I SWEAR

I'M DONE

[uneven cradle]

I say that like that wasn't me throughout school+uni

[fluid ravine]

Alr for real this time

Good night

[uneven cradle]

Good night

[untold wigeon]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801536904913.html?channel=twinner

will this case fit 60he

[copper glade]

New switches finally came

Don’t mind my stabs they are pretty rattley

would definitely recommend over the lekkers if you are looking for a cheap switch, they arent closed bottoms but my god do they feel much nicer to type on, have less stem wobble and a comparable deeper sound

plus they are really pretty

under half the price of the cheapest jades i could find

if anyone can suggest some cheap screw in stabs from aliexpress or an Australian website then that would be great, i really dont wanna do tedious modding and i wanna try out different stabs anyways

[wraith widget]

Normal stabs should be fine, just lube them

You will need to lube any stabs that you buy anyway

[copper glade]

i have lubed them

[wraith widget]

Otherwise they will rattle bad

[copper glade]

yeah

[wraith widget]

Need more lube 😅

[copper glade]

then they become mushy

ill put alot on m,y spacebar and show

[wraith widget]

Dip the wire into the lube

It shouldn't become mushy

[copper glade]

Lmao

you can hear the lube LOL

[paper bloom]

So long as it isnt too mushy that is all that matters

My RAW He's kinda worked and i dont hear much of my ping apart from my spacebar but thats it

I wonder how it would sound on a tofu tho

[wraith widget]

May be too much lubing on the stabiliser stem and housing

[copper glade]

nah i put a good amount

[paper bloom]

The left is a little bit too much

[copper glade]

i just removed some lube and it feels quite nice now

[paper bloom]

But thats about it

[copper glade]

yeah alright

ill remove some from the left

[paper bloom]

Other then that its all good

So no issue

But yea so long as it isnt mushy like it sticks when you use'em those are more important

[copper glade]

thats what it sounds like now

[paper bloom]

Its a bit hollow but its normal

You don't hear that mush anymore

[copper glade]

so thats a good amount of lube?

[paper bloom]

Roughly yea

[copper glade]

it definitely still ticks a tiny amount

[paper bloom]

If you ask me

[copper glade]

and now the tick is starting to come back

ugh

[wraith widget]

Sounds good enough

[wraith widget]

Tick? As in.... like the sound of lube?

[copper glade]

see you can hear the tick start to come back, this is what happens

idk

maybe im just paranoid

[paper bloom]

The ping

You mean

[copper glade]

yeah

[glacial wind]

Some ‘ticking’ can be confused with just the switches or normal sound of the stab

[copper glade]

true

[wraith widget]

It's definitely not the most perfect sounding spacebar but it's not the worst 😂

[copper glade]

yeah i know

if u were to recommend some screw in stabs what would you suggest?

any AU sites or aliexpress is usually cheapest for me

[untold wigeon]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804128707127.html?channel=twinner guys can someone tell me if these key caps would fit on 60he im rly new to this

[paper bloom]

So long as it has a mx stem

It will fit

[wraith widget]

They will but your keyboard will explode from being too bright

[untold wigeon]

ty

and its ok i use low brightnesses anyways just thought id try sth new

[copper glade]

https://swagkeys.com/products/sw-knight-stabilizer

i was considering these

[wraith widget]

I am obviously kidding 😂

[glacial wind]

Knight v2 are quite popular and good

[copper glade]

yeah

[glacial wind]

I just got a fresh stash of them today actually

[copper glade]

they are now sold out tho which is a problem

they werent like a week ago

any other cheap stabs you recommend?

[glacial wind]

Knight v2 sells out insanely fast every time they restock

[wraith widget]

I mean in general all stabs are cheap

[copper glade]

true

[wraith widget]

😂

[copper glade]

i guess just good stabs then

screw in ones

[paper bloom]

Whats the difference between the v1 and the v2

??

[copper glade]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/4000268680880.html

like there are stabs like this for cheap on ali express

dunno what to look for tho

[paper bloom]

O everglide

Stabs

[paper bloom]

If youre running a Screw in

[copper glade]

i have a 60he+

[paper bloom]

Just get'em in screw ins and get those in the 6.25u

Spcaebar

Spacebar*

Pole

[glacial wind]

Some tolerance changes and such

[paper bloom]

O nice i'll get'em later on then

[copper glade]

?

idk

what would u recommend

[paper bloom]

Ive been running the normal wooting ones the swag keys knights v1

If you want you can run everglides and Durock stuff

As well as the ones from C=3

[paper bloom]

The v3's are better btw

[copper glade]

i see the durock ones

[glacial wind]

At least you guys overseas tend to have longer to buy them stabs. I had to buy within 15 seconds to buy these before they sold out lol

They sell out absurdly fast here locally

[copper glade]

yeah they were in stock for atleast a week when i was looking

[paper bloom]

I mean yea its nothing new considering the fact that its an upgrade

To the V1

[glacial wind]

It’s tricky recommending stabs for 60he+ because some might be a bit too thick

[copper glade]

so would yall recommend the knight v2s over pre much anything, like is it worth waiting for them to be in stock again?

[paper bloom]

So long as it fits it works

[glacial wind]

Like normally I’d recommend tx ap when knight are sold out but tx ap are known to not fit sometimes

[paper bloom]

Im recommending the knight v2's since i got the v1's

Theyre not that bad

[copper glade]

i think i found them in stock

on zkeebs

[paper bloom]

I think the plate mount fits

but not the screw ins

[copper glade]

https://zkeebs.com/en-au/products/swagkeys-knight-v2-screw-in-stabilizers

[glacial wind]

Yeah he wants screw in though

[paper bloom]

Then ig TXAP won't work

Big RIP

[copper glade]

https://zkeebs.com/en-au/products/swagkeys-knight-v2-screw-in-stabilizers these are the correct ones right?

[glacial wind]

Yeah

With knight stab all you need is tiny bit of basic 205g0 and you’re good too

[copper glade]

nevermind

[glacial wind]

No need to lube them much

[copper glade]

shipping is 60 bucks more

3 times the price of the stabs

LMAP

[paper bloom]

Don't overdo em like me

The amount of shit ive went through just for it

[copper glade]

yeah

[paper bloom]

Wait

Whats the difference between the 2u kit

and the normal one listed on the website?

@glacial wind

[glacial wind]

2u kit is literally just a bunch of 2u sized stabs

[paper bloom]

O

Since 60HE runs a u stab

That means it is compatible then LOL

I could actually cop them

[copper glade]

yeah but u would be missing spacebar right?

[paper bloom]

Don't think so

[glacial wind]

you would be, it's literally just 2u stabs

[paper bloom]

O

Then ig so yea

[glacial wind]

you don't get anything else except a bunch of 2u stabs lol

[paper bloom]

WELP better not cop it then LOOL

[glacial wind]

swagkeys will be restocking soon anyway, they have a shipment of black knight stabs incoming

[copper glade]

black knight stabs?

[glacial wind]

just black as in color

[paper bloom]

Im still waiting on my side the local stores that sells them

[glacial wind]

they sell them in clear and black

[copper glade]

oh true true

[glacial wind]

it won't help kaylan though because he needs local au

[paper bloom]

I mean i got another box of v1's

[glacial wind]

you should just join discord for whoever stocks them in au and ask when next batch is coming

[paper bloom]

I could probs pass him

[copper glade]

https://dailyclack.com/

this is an australian website

anything good on here?

[paper bloom]

keycaps are not bad

[copper glade]

https://www.switchkeys.com.au/?srsltid=AfmBOoqFDP9dD0CYzzXODvfO3It8Md9sOxT5AzeCxIQPv6RcyVbjw43k

this one aswell

https://www.switchkeys.com.au/collections/stabilisers/products/durock-pcb-mount-screw-in-stabilisers-v3

they have these actually

[paper bloom]

If i am not wrong the durock v3's

Will work

[glacial wind]

you should just wait for restock of knight honestly

[paper bloom]

^^

[glacial wind]

who in aus was the one stocking them? just ask in their discord when next batch comes in

[copper glade]

it was on swagkeys website

[glacial wind]

swagkeys normally restocks once a month or so, at least locally

[copper glade]

i havent seen any au site with them

[glacial wind]

oh you can't order from swagkeys from au if you're going for cheap lol

shipping will be like $20

[copper glade]

ill check the shipping

shipping is 8 bucks

usd tho

so roughly like 15 aud yeah

[uneven cradle]

Yeah I've only seen them at kiwiclack in oce

suits me though

[twin magnet]

Those with Geon Raws, are the poron foam or the silicon pad better based on the characteristics of the switch?

Curious as I am building my keeb these few days

And some new keycaps too 🙂

[copper glade]

kiwiclack has these https://www.kiwiclack.com/en-au/products/knight-stabilizer-swagkeys

but these are the v1s arent they?

https://www.kiwiclack.com/en-au/products/tx-stabs-2023-almost-perfect

they also have these

[glacial wind]

Tx ap sometimes have issues with fitting

They’ll be a great option for 80he, but 60he+ they’re a bit hit or miss

[copper glade]

really?

whats wrong with them?

and are those knights the v1s

?

[glacial wind]

60he+ has smaller holes for screw ins

So some brands don’t fit as easily into the holes

this is because 60he+ support plate mount and pcb mount so the hole sizing is different from 80he which will be pure pcb mount

[glacial wind]

You’d have to go ask them

V2 only came out recently so some stores haven’t updated to say if their stock is v1 or v2

[copper glade]

https://www.kiwiclack.com/en-au/products/op-shop-ws-aurora-stabs?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=6fb8a532b&pr_rec_pid=8097875427489&pr_ref_pid=7739860910241&pr_seq=uniform

they also have these for cheap since they are used

[weary shard]

guys i need some build help, everything came. module tofu60 switches and keycaps but for the case i dont wanna scratch the pcb, should there be external standoffs or are they already in the case.

also it didnt come with a weight so the top feels like it flexes alot

like a brass filler or whatever

[fading sigil]

Geon raw + holy60 (recommend me caps)

looking for eng/thai

[crimson sky]

XMI

[fading sigil]

whats that

[crimson sky]

keycap manufacturer, you'd have to buy from taobao tho

dunno how you could get thai keycaps otherwise easily

best bet is prob trying to find the local keyboard community discord/subreddit and looking there

[fading sigil]

xmi has it

yeah on aliexpress

but what would you think would suit the colorway im going for ?

[crimson sky]

beige should fit yea

(beige also always fits to begin with)

[fading sigil]

yeah well

ima look into it

idk what else to do with the keyboard

4th wooting to mod

[twin magnet]

Anyone?

[weary shard]

can i use any cable without compromising on any features

[stark parrot]

recommendations on where to buy good iso german keycaps?

[crimson sky]

as long as it is USB 2.0 compliant

[pale violet]

MonacoKeys

[vivid fjord]

Hey I want to make a hotbox controller but they all are kinda crap compared to my wooting keyboard... Anyone have knowledge on how I could get some lekker switches on one of these? Otherwise I might just buy hall effect sensors...

[dapper obsidian]

Dear wooting team...we do need to hear some modded 80HE sound tests. Lube, Film, PE Foam. The good stuff

[glacial wind]

? It already comes with lube, foam etc

that’s just the basic stock config

[dapper obsidian]

factory lube is not really comparable to hand lubing after all. PE Foam is not Case Foam. Switch Films are surely not stock

[wraith widget]

Video is coming soon for more sound tests

[glacial wind]

Eh we have a ton of tests regarding switches and such already.

the stock wooting foam was actually already picked based on what they could find to give the most thock there, so I wouldn't really recommend changing the foam

and generally filming the HE switches isn't all that beneficial there

[dapper obsidian]

PE Foam is a layer between the PCB and the plate (most likely below PCB Foam, too as it has some. Its one of the most effective mods out there. Does not look too good ofc as it is plain PE Foam. If you haven't done a mod like that before give it a try. Its crazy effective

[glacial wind]

yes I know, but generally a lot of these mods don't really get done to he boards

there's been a few folk in here who have done pe foam mod and films in the past if you're curious

there's some videos posted in here already - but it doesn't really reach the 'thock' of mx boards if that's your goal

[dapper obsidian]

well might be that the PE mod isnt as effective on magnetic switches. But I don't know I do not have one. 60HE mod videos usually have them but I guess its also just something you do if you have PE Foam cause its low effort max result (maybe also not for HE)

[glacial wind]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

there you go

generally a lot of this modding stuff is just modding for the sake of modding and we're limited by the switch selection currently. You won't find any switches that match thocky mx switches so most folks go the clackier route with jades/raw he

[dapper obsidian]

well switch selection will grow no doubt about that. But the video shown above does sound quite nice. Sure its not an oil king thock but MX boards with giga thock are also not quite daily drivable imo with those heavy switches

[austere creek]

good to always consider that MX style switches are 39yrs old or so by now

[mighty egret]

whats the deal with the new jade pros

[glacial wind]

i'm not a big fan of putting anything under the switches personally because of stability worries if you use super low settings like 0.1 actuation

[mighty egret]

\

[austere creek]

HE switches as they are now arent nearly as old

[lavish dagger]

Complete noob here, is the sound due to the switches or from the foam mod?

[untold wigeon]

older than me!

[glacial wind]

no tests yet, but basically looks to be jade but MAYBE tighter stem and new spring

generally unless they sound drastically different probably not worth it over raw he

[mighty egret]

werent u in ztt

[untold wigeon]

yeahhhh

[glacial wind]

generally mix of everything, but with HE boards a lot of the sound is just from the switches

[lavish dagger]

I'm planning to get the 80HE and watching videos on people modding their keyboards, I feel like I'm in the minority when it comes to modding in that I prefer the sounds pre-mod

[dapper obsidian]

were there jade pros before ?

[mighty egret]

LMAO i see why u got banned

[glacial wind]

the downside right now is if you're going for thocky build the best switches right now for most of us are clackier, so it's kind of going in 2 directions

[untold wigeon]

i got banned for jokingly selling myself in the market

[lavish dagger]

Like I prefer the clackier? sound over the thock

[untold wigeon]

they called me a prostitute ande banned me

joke gone wrong

[glacial wind]

if you prefer clack then don't do pe foam and just stick with some raw he or similar switches

[untold wigeon]

oo my new mouse arrived

[mighty egret]

what u get

[untold wigeon]

beast x mini

esports pro bought it for me cuz i have small hands

[dapper obsidian]

were there pros before?

Its Pros 1.0, right?

[mighty egret]

nice

[dapper obsidian]

So before it was just Jade

[untold wigeon]

i was running the biggest mouse for the smallest hands

like i stuggled to reach the front side button

[mighty egret]

i got like 21.5x9.5 hands i need dav3 pro

[dapper obsidian]

you dont need a dav3 pro just cause your hand size is big

[untold wigeon]

whats that

[mighty egret]

nuh uh

[mighty egret]

deathadder v3 pro

[glacial wind]

no the jade pros are new, but been a pretty disappointing release if the specs page is all it is

[untold wigeon]

are they big

i was using the logitech g502 hero

[dapper obsidian]

yeah well pros are usually just tighter tolerances and factory lubing

[untold wigeon]

shit is like holding a brick

its awful for me

and the weight too

im suddenly jumping from

[dapper obsidian]

https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=Logitech-G502-Hero-vs.-Razer-DeathAdder-V3-Pro

[untold wigeon]

something thats

[untold wigeon]

my hajds could never 😭

[mighty egret]

my fingers still hang over the edge of this

[dapper obsidian]

use claw

or fingertip

[untold wigeon]

your like 8'2

[mighty egret]

makes my arm tense up too much

or makes me wrist aim

[dapper obsidian]

adjust seating position

[mighty egret]

depending on if i rest palm base on mousepad

[untold wigeon]

you should try the beast x mini

could be a perfect fit

[mighty egret]

wayy too small

if im going ambi i'd get vv3p

[untold wigeon]

youll feel like cinderella

[untold wigeon]

the 4090 runs well

[lavish dagger]

Does the number of mounting pins matter for the 80HE? Because I see some switches have 2 and some have 3

[untold wigeon]

were also thinking abt getting the MOD 007b HE soon

which is super cute

[mighty egret]

just get this

[untold wigeon]

i wanted something with rapid trigger but idek if its needed

[dapper obsidian]

3 ?

[mighty egret]

kinda mid software

[untold wigeon]

apparently akko is loved

[mighty egret]

what switches? need to be HE

[lavish dagger]

I could be looking at the wrong thing

[dapper obsidian]

probably a regular MX Switch

[untold wigeon]

i dont see a very hated community

[mighty egret]

eh

[dapper obsidian]

Akko is exactly what you expect for the price

entry

[lavish dagger]

So as long as they're listed as a HE switch, the number of pins doesnt really matter?

[mighty egret]

not in more enthusiast spaces

[mighty egret]

check the compatibility chart

[dapper obsidian]

I do not know HE switches well enough but I do not know 3 pin ones.

[untold wigeon]

i saw a wooting for 80 but the owner wont reply

[glacial wind]

he switches don't really rely on pins and such.

[dapper obsidian]

HE Switches usually have 2 pins and a hole

[lavish dagger]

Oh nice, thanks for this

[dapper obsidian]

as MX Switches do have 3 pins (well and copper contacts)

[lavish dagger]

Still learning about this stuff as I'm on my old keyboard from 2018

[mighty egret]

i think i wanna get xlite v4 large when it comes out

[lavish dagger]

Some of the plastic stems on my keycaps are finally breaking

[dapper obsidian]

thats an aggressive shape at the end

thing is formed like a mango

[mighty egret]

the sharp or round one?

sharp is dav3 pro

[untold wigeon]

i heart the

i corgot the name

theres a mouse that slike considered insane rn

[mighty egret]

broo i just need to get a non mud mousepad

my glorious cloth heavy is ass

[untold wigeon]

also doesnt the new asus keyboard not have snap tal

tap

[mighty egret]

azoth extreme?

yeah

[untold wigeon]

yeah

like

[dapper obsidian]

buying asus products in 2024 is insane

[mighty egret]

except monitors

[untold wigeon]

imagine spending that much on a gaming keyboard

for it to

[dapper obsidian]

yeah which are actually LGs with new branding

[untold wigeon]

not have latest features

[mighty egret]

when lg makes a 480hz 1440p oled full monitor ill stop talking

[dapper obsidian]

not to mention for 3x the price as it is ASUS

[untold wigeon]

i got a sqmsung

[mighty egret]

which they totally will

bad qc

[dapper obsidian]

they do

[mighty egret]

i plan on spending around that much for a full custom build at some point

[dapper obsidian]

https://www.lg.com/de/monitore/gaming/32gs95ux-b/?srsltid=AfmBOop77k2n8SVmLZMzvDukne-ngHAM2w_ybAAIcWgTFGn_2HiwB46t

[untold wigeon]

why do ppl hate on samsung monitors

[mighty egret]

thats 480hz at 1080 no?

[mighty egret]

bad qc

[dapper obsidian]

ah 1080p my bad

[untold wigeon]

whats qc

[mighty egret]

quality control

[dapper obsidian]

480FPS in 1440p is also kinda meh to achieve consistently

[mighty egret]

also this https://www.neogaf.com/threads/samsung-technician-purposely-knives-customers-tv-as-to-not-apply-warranty-free-repair.1666976/

[mighty egret]

depends on pc and game

like valorant low settings easily

[untold wigeon]

the quality on mine is insane

[dapper obsidian]

CS:GO back then probably but now...hard

League and Valorant...maybe

[untold wigeon]

odyssey g9 !!!

[glacial wind]

league, valorant, cs no probs if you have top of the line cpu

[mighty egret]

quality control is like making sure there arent any build issues before it gets shipped

[dapper obsidian]

GPU. Games nowadays arent CPU bottlenecked afaik

[untold wigeon]

oh yeah mines fine

[glacial wind]

no valorant is cpu limited

[mighty egret]

most comp fps are.

[untold wigeon]

im running 5120x1440p

[dapper obsidian]

5120?

[untold wigeon]

yes

[dapper obsidian]

fckn 40 inch widescreen or what

[untold wigeon]

49inch

[dapper obsidian]

bruh

[untold wigeon]

240hz

ppl need to stop saying 144hz and 240 hz have no differences

[mighty egret]

obviously this is anecdotal but tenz upgraded from like a 1080ti to 3090 and got "around 10 more frames" but a cpu upgrade got him like a 70% increase

[untold wigeon]

i can tell day n night

the quality instantly blew me

[glacial wind]

yeah valorant really doesn't stress gpu all that much. I don't think i've ever seen it fully use my 4070ti

[dapper obsidian]

the difference isnt as big as 60->144Hz was tho. You can feel it but its forgettable tbh

[mighty egret]

in 4k high settings it'd probably be close to balanced

but at 1080 even high settings its pretty much all cpu

you can run valorant at 200fps on integrated graphics 1080p low on a 7800x3d

[untold wigeon]

well ofc, but these elderly pc nerds get in the way

[mighty egret]

my maths teacher says above 75hz is a scam

and its placebo

[untold wigeon]

i played bf2042 and its fucked my playstyle in other games

im aggressive on bf2042 and now everything else feels slow

to the point im dying cuz i miss controls

[dapper obsidian]

that is because most people speak about human eye Hz and forget about technical Hz

[untold wigeon]

ppl say ahit like u cant see past 5000

if u had 5000

[mighty egret]

yep

[untold wigeon]

abd 50000

there's gonna be a difference

[dapper obsidian]

no at some point you really get the limits

[mighty egret]

even though you cant percieve individual frames it doesnt mean that you cant tell the smoothness apart

[untold wigeon]

yeah

but the more refresh rate

[mighty egret]

you can use BFI on an oled which has 240 game frames and a black frame in between each and you cant see the black frames but you can still tell the smoothness difference between 240 and 480

its diminishing returns for sure

[dapper obsidian]

at some point its also big cope

as you know its more you also tend to see stuff there isnt

360Hz+ is a very very very small difference not worth an upgrade if your 240Hz Monitor for example still works.

[untold wigeon]

doesnt it depend if ur pc can run it too

[dapper obsidian]

well ofc

500Hz with 100FPS will be horrible

[mighty egret]

i plan on 180hz IPS 1440 > 360/480hz OLED 1440 and change the IPS to secondary

[dapper obsidian]

4 out of 5 frames being black is kinda shiet

[untold wigeon]

future of gpus soon

[dapper obsidian]

OLED is just trash for now honestly.

[untold wigeon]

lets hope the 5090 can keep up

[dapper obsidian]

130Nits, burned in pixels and big chungus price tags

[mighty egret]

burn in protection on new oled is pretty much there