🔧│keyboard_modding

[daring helm]

has the least deadzones

but its still just a bit below than wooting

[prime orbit]

Yeah I thought

So

Maybe it was just the more “premium” feel

Welp gonna stick to building my custom wooting lmao

[mighty egret]

anyone know what the gf is for magnetic jades

[daring helm]

I want to try the raven68 and see how it compares to my atk68

with the amount i spent on budget keyboards

i wouldve already bought like 1 wooting lol

[prime orbit]

Is it only on AliExpress?

I can’t find a site

[daring helm]

I think

I can buy it from shopee here tho

[daring helm]

I'm from the ph

[twilit bridge]

is snap tap ganna come to the wooting?

[prime orbit]

Ask in #⏬│rappy_and_snappy

[prime orbit]

This one? @daring helm

[daring helm]

yeah

[prime orbit]

$50

Idk about that

[daring helm]

thats what im talking about

its so cheap

and it performs so good

[prime orbit]

Can you mod it?

[daring helm]

of course you can

[prime orbit]

Hmmm

[daring helm]

any keyboard is moddable

[prime orbit]

I’m new to this wasn’t sure lol

[daring helm]

information is so scarce because its from china

[prime orbit]

Like I could technically put my black knight switches in there

[daring helm]

maybe

its hotswappable

im planning to buy it to test it and review it on youtube

[prime orbit]

Actually the switches look dope

Www

[daring helm]

i do have gateron jades lying around

[prime orbit]

You do any others?

[daring helm]

si i might try it

[daring helm]

i dont have any magnetic switches other than the gateron jades

[prime orbit]

No no

Reviews

[daring helm]

was planning to do atk68

plus

my channel aint really that popular lmao

[prime orbit]

So?

I’ll watch it

Love reviews

[daring helm]

I only have sound tests on my channel

[prime orbit]

Saves Me money

[daring helm]

but i do try to reply to people about information on the board

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtRv9onDrpw

[prime orbit]

Why is it 68 if it looks like a 65?

[daring helm]

65% layout consists of 68 keys

they probably named it after the amount of keys

[devout torrent]

there's also a new atk68 air

[prime orbit]

Then you have boards like the kb65he

[daring helm]

i know

[devout torrent]

that has a plastic case and new raesha recolors

[prime orbit]

So that’s why I was confused

[daring helm]

its a plastic version

[jade prairie]

are wuque studio keycaps worth it at all

[devout torrent]

of all the gtech crap atk is the best imo

[daring helm]

yea

[devout torrent]

I flashed atk fw on my higround and its so much better w/ it

[daring helm]

anything that is not from g tech is worse

even the best of other OEMs is still bad compared to the worst of g tech (probably)

[devout torrent]

yheah all the crap running witmod/rongyuan is kinda crap

there are some decent boards in china

[jade prairie]

reckon these fit the raw zinc?

or maybe these

[daring helm]

does it detect as atk68 g?

[devout torrent]

yes

[twilit bridge]

10 minutes after this 🗿

[strange terrace]

@wise steeple

@wise steeple

[polar girder]

Damn that was quick

[red abyss]

Finally got my keyboard case but its alot lighter purple than on the pic

[polar girder]

Yeah pictures can be deceiving for sure

Looks clean tho

[red abyss]

yh i still like it

[polar girder]

I like the rounded corners and edges

[red abyss]

but the keycaps i ordered look horrible i need to look for other ones but i already expected that for 18€

not the ones i have on the keybaord rn

[red abyss]

yh me too

[polar girder]

Budget keycaps can be tricky

I’m actually really happy with the SA ones I got for $20

Still had to upgrade them tho

[red abyss]

the ones im using rn where only 25€ too they are decent but i want matching purple keycaps now

[harsh dove]

Morning

[polar girder]

Morning, king

[calm pulsar]

lol the geon discord
it starts

[polar girder]

Haha

[paper bloom]

LOL

[polar girder]

Gol dang

[little glen]

that looks good

[pure apex]

Hey not really a modding question but I want to get some different key caps for my wooting 60HE and was wondering if they only fit certain types and if so which

[little glen]

most keycaps out there should fit

[paper bloom]

Id recommend the kap co

With their anime stuff

[elfin garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Hgo9k_0v4

[paper bloom]

https://www.thekapco.com/collections/kapco-original/products/tokyo-day-keycaps

[paper bloom]

@pure apex

[paper bloom]

Lmao i saw that

I gave it a weird ass gandalf name

And memed it was gonna say

woopity snappity get razer out of my property

[orchid goblet]

guys where do you buy mods as keycaps?

[gleaming crow]

How do I take out my module if it’s friction mounted

I don’t wanna break anything

[prisma stump]

reminds me of the floor in arcades

[elfin garnet]

Wondering what everyone who put in an order for a razer keeb is doing now

[quiet bay]

They couldn't wait a singular day 💀
A moment of silence for them...

Never doubt Wooting

[elfin garnet]

A moment of silence, indeed...

[halcyon rune]

My pcb bend after using double foam

Should i continue with this screw

Or use a longer one

[polar girder]

Double foam didn’t work for me

Causes sensor issues and missed inputs and stuff

I’d recommend just one foam and get a proper fit

[paper bloom]

Longer

[halcyon rune]

ill try the longer screw first

[paper bloom]

Whats ur screw ur using rn

Length*

[halcyon rune]

Idk

[paper bloom]

Are u using the wooting ones or the ones from the holy60?

[halcyon rune]

The one from Holy

[paper bloom]

Those are short

Ok

[halcyon rune]

I bought modules

[paper bloom]

Run a m2x6

Or a m2x8

For a double foam

[halcyon rune]

Only have 8,12

[paper bloom]

Those cooks

8 shld work

So long as the end isnt sharp

If not run 1 foam

[paper bloom]

This is what i recommend as well

[halcyon rune]

Cant find any in sg😭

[paper bloom]

WHAT I HAVE

I find u the link lor

U wait ah

[halcyon rune]

U sg?

[paper bloom]

Of course la

https://sg.shp.ee/oWNQLvN

[paper bloom]

@halcyon rune i use this place

[halcyon rune]

Well

I have 1 on carousell

[paper bloom]

I dun run carousell too LJ liao

[halcyon rune]

Separately

[paper bloom]

I udually get them from mechatronics side cuz its eletrical coated

And its cheaper since its a screw set

[halcyon rune]

Fr

Just moved to sg

<1month

[paper bloom]

U from whre orig ?

MY ?

[halcyon rune]

Idk where can i get it

[halcyon rune]

Th

[paper bloom]

Oh

[safe stag]

Coming from a Ducky One 3 with C3 tangerine switches to a custom Wooting 60He with alumaze60. I can't wait to receive my order of €368 😅

[calm pulsar]

lul I work for an sg based company

[paper bloom]

Shopee lazada oso hv

And as well as amazon

But i dont recommend getting carousell unless its a verified seller

[paper bloom]

Nice

[halcyon rune]

Yeah

Got from a verified guy

[paper bloom]

Ah ok then its all good

[halcyon rune]

Tbh i can just order it from shopee

[paper bloom]

Its ur choice

[halcyon rune]

But i want to feel the sound 😂😂😂😂

[paper bloom]

I recommend u get proper fitting sometimes 1 foam is rlly enuf

[halcyon rune]

Well

[paper bloom]

Ppl in SG are overworked to shit rn

[halcyon rune]

U need to tell me where can i get it

😂😂😂

[paper bloom]

Which foam u running

Wooting or the one from the holy60 ?

[halcyon rune]

Both

[calm pulsar]

well im in russia working remotely xd

[paper bloom]

Ok cool trick for u, remove the wooting foam

And just run the holy60

[halcyon rune]

Is to thin

[paper bloom]

If not swap out

[halcyon rune]

When i combined Wooting + Holy

I got pop clack

Sound

[paper bloom]

Ah then

U gotta grt a longer screw if not

Theres another method

1 foam and tape mod

But since u wanna run 2 foam id say thinnest goes first then thickest and a longer screw shld work for u

[paper bloom]

O lmao xd

[halcyon rune]

Aight

Do you know where can i buy the foam?

[cedar cosmos]

has someone tried both the lekker l45s AND gateron jades?

[paper bloom]

U can run the ones u got currently

But get a longer screw

[halcyon rune]

Okok

Tysm

[paper bloom]

@halcyon rune https://sg.shp.ee/tKGheGq

^u can check this or QWERTYQOP

I dont usually run landingpad stuff since they sell limited things ktechs are good

Mechastore cooks too crinicles guys are rn tryna secure a contract for HE and 60% cases

But they arent out on sale yet

[polar girder]

I’m gonna wait for knight stab come back in stock then throw in black knights with the two-stage spring, new SA black on grey keycaps and try out those softer tadpoles

[paper bloom]

Ur in for a treat

[polar girder]

Probably be done after that for a while lol

[halcyon rune]

Already went to ktechs

[paper bloom]

QWERTYQOP sells it

Idk if they do int shipping

[halcyon rune]

They out of stock rn

[paper bloom]

Ah then id say run a longer screw and lemme see

[halcyon rune]

Aight

Tmr

[halcyon rune]

Are u in sg

?

[paper bloom]

@halcyon rune https://sg.shp.ee/T6zusnQ

^but theyre thinnaf and u gotta poke holes

He isnt in sg

Spacekeys works

https://sg.shp.ee/z6hKhu6

Even technieer

O and a heads uo

Up*

Dont over tighten ur screw

Else ur pcb or ur case wld get fucked

My tofu 60s stand offs got fucked during installation of my burger mount

[untold wigeon]

Very interesting

https://youtu.be/o-Hgo9k_0v4?si=R73vwGgt_Gwi0g_N

[paper bloom]

@untold wigeon ima try SOCD tmr

[halcyon rune]

The o-rings is to big

[harsh dove]

I’m tryna find a use for it in the games I play

[paper bloom]

Which o rinfs

[halcyon rune]

For the hex m2

[paper bloom]

U running ?

[halcyon rune]

Dunno

Got it from ktechs

[paper bloom]

Which games u running rn ?

[untold wigeon]

I knew it wouldn’t take them long

[paper bloom]

Dont get it from ktechs

[harsh dove]

Large variety rn tbh, not really playing any shooters

[paper bloom]

I as well knew its only a matter of time

[paper bloom]

Try dark souls or elden ring SOCD shld cook

[harsh dove]

Hmm

[paper bloom]

Get the ones from amazon

[halcyon rune]

Why

[paper bloom]

Ive ran Rs on elden ring its hella nice

[paper bloom]

K techs are running gummy mount o ring different

From burger mount

[paper bloom]

Can find u some or ask arnd since i am off to bed

[paper bloom]

U can run MMO rpgs when it comes to move like FFXIV

Intergrade

[halcyon rune]

Sure

[paper bloom]

Socd cooks when it comes to bosses or Dmc5

[paper bloom]

But since ur running longer screw no point running burger mount unless u want to do friction mount

So a lot of difference

[polar girder]

Singapore? No I’m USA

[halcyon rune]

Im gonna try everything

Want to know how it sounds

[paper bloom]

LOL dont over do it trust me u will be spending needless money

Id say stick to 1 first

Then have a phase out

U might as well buy jades or wait for lekker v2

Or neo lavenders from swag keys korea

[halcyon rune]

I have jades

[paper bloom]

Ah then ur good to go

[bold dragon]

Does anyone know when Lekker v2 is gonna be available for order?

[paper bloom]

Shld be after 80he

@polar girder ima start calling u bigs

[paper bloom]

And this man here bigSigma

Else later i end up calling u both by accident

LOL

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s chill. Common Nickname for the nickname lol

[paper bloom]

Fuck it BIGSIGMALGIVER123

[halcyon rune]

Unlucky

[polar girder]

lol why?

[halcyon rune]

I have it

[paper bloom]

Im joking

@halcyon rune swag keys ?

[halcyon rune]

Spare

Yes

[paper bloom]

I as well LOL

[halcyon rune]

In th

[paper bloom]

WTF ?

[polar girder]

Oh I’m just going to wait for v2 restock anyway

But yeah. Waiting

Classic

[halcyon rune]

Rn i have 2tx 1mode 1sw knight

[paper bloom]

@polar girder i think i can send u 1

[halcyon rune]

Spare

Ahahahhaha

[paper bloom]

But ima take a look at my side dor now

For*

[polar girder]

All good either way.

[paper bloom]

Alrighty bigSIGMALGIVER

[halcyon rune]

And i just ordered typeplus

[paper bloom]

Jesus u rlly on a insane grind

[polar girder]

Who tf you talking to now I don’t even know

[paper bloom]

YOU

LOOL

[polar girder]

Nah brah

That ain’t it, cuh

[paper bloom]

BigSigmaLgiver

LOL

[polar girder]

Bro really hates me

[paper bloom]

Im joking bigs

[polar girder]

lol

All g

[paper bloom]

Ok ok im sorry

[halcyon rune]

Is typeplus work with wooting tho

[paper bloom]

Type plus what ?

Switches ?

If theyre 5 pin no

[halcyon rune]

Stab

[paper bloom]

O shld work

[bold dragon]

I like it

[paper bloom]

Ok bigSigma

bigSigmaBalls

Ok now that sounds like SEEK MY BALLS

Why am i laughing

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’ll have to mess around with it and see what are some cool use-cases

[paper bloom]

At this brain rot

[paper bloom]

Ye, i happen to find that socd is rlly good for pvp or for boss strafes since most ppl need time to stop and lock

Or to instantly stop and roll out of foot movement against AOE

@bold dragon ok bigSigma u are indeed sigma ima go to bed now

@polar girder night bigs

[thorn zealot]

Has anyone here tried their wooting without any sandwich pad

[calm pulsar]

I like sandwiches

[elfin garnet]

hella op in cs2 but I can see the use for it in dodge heavy games like mmos or single player games like dark souls

[paper bloom]

I did try RS for ER and dark souls a bit

It actually cooks

So if RS works SOCD too

But i must warn that if u run rs or SOCD in pvp and if u over did it u cld be banned

[elfin garnet]

I don't have any games similar to it but I can imagine

[paper bloom]

@harsh dove ^ this is a heads up as well

Cuz the easyanticheat altough they dont find it but they shld match ur key press and tick rating

If they see a move is off u cld get flagged

[harsh dove]

Interesting, yeah I’ll do some testing when I get home today

Definitely wanna see what I can do with it

[calm pulsar]

might be good for wow arena or smth, but its a super tiny difference

[paper bloom]

Sure

Ok off to dream land i go

Cant fuck arnd n find out

[fluid ravine]

Afternoon (I wannna go back to sleep)

[paper bloom]

@fluid ravine its confirmed fyi check ur dms

[elfin garnet]

I play a lot of arenas and I can see it being useful for pillarkiting, but even more useful in games like New World where you have to dodge out of others players abilities all the time

[paper bloom]

The funny shit is

The way of dodging if u run SOCD or RS

Is very tiny esp rs

But if its SOCD the only issue is mostly foot drills

Cuz if someone catches ur stop time even if u have SOCD on

U will hv a hard ass time

And u will be left with a gap

[elfin garnet]

It's definitely something you have to get used to still and be able to get the timing right

[paper bloom]

Its basically art lmao

At this raye

Rate*

The art of countering and dodging

[elfin garnet]

mos def. we'll see primetime muhammed ali's around soon enough lol

[paper bloom]

U dont say lol

Man i still remember being at my prime for dodging

Ig i still got it but more improved

[elfin garnet]

There's also a balance factor to it. Knowing when to and how often makes a huge difference

[paper bloom]

Dont forget the distance too

Its huge af

[elfin garnet]

yes and using obstacles to your advantage

[paper bloom]

Exactly

Ok ima fr go to bed this talk rlly is too much fun

[elfin garnet]

good night g

[harsh dove]

Wonder if it’d be any good on Chivalry 2

[paper bloom]

It will dude but idk about the swinging part

Like when u do a wide attack and then u stoo

Stop*

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[paper bloom]

Ig testing is needed

[calm pulsar]

well there is movement involved in moving in and out of attack range, so it should be an improvement in that already

[harsh dove]

Right

Def gonna have to test it

[elfin garnet]

Game engine plays a factor as well. Like in WoW you have GCD's slowing you down even though you or your hardware is fast

[calm pulsar]

I imagine it is more benefit in wow if you're a caster, so if you need to start moving fast after casting a spell or stop really fast before casting a spell, it should be slightly snappier

[calm pulsar]

well actually no, SOCD probably has nothing to do with it, that would be just fast actuation that helps here 😄

[polar girder]

You play that? I had it on my wishlist for a while lol

Heard Mordhau better tho

[harsh dove]

Yeah lol it’s fun with friends

Never tried Mord tbh but I’ve heard about it

[polar girder]

Nice lol

Yeah I don’t really have any (gamer) friends

Tried Havoc this morning. Neat game

[harsh dove]

Havoc?

[stray tiger]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2149290/Havoc/

Steam

Havoc

Experience an Arcade team-based action in Havoc, a tactical FPS that takes the genre to new heights with semi-destructible environments. Use strategy and skill to plant and defuse bombs, destroy walls to reach your target, and more. Immerse yourself in team-based action across various game modes, including bomb defusal, team deathmatch, and more.

▶ Play video

[polar girder]

Yeah it’s like Valo art style with cs2 gameplay

Brand new, 2 man dev team. F2P

[stray tiger]

Cmon Cam, get with it

[gleaming crow]

anyone know if gmk keycaps sound less hollow than the stock wooting pbt ones

[polar girder]

They’re definitely still working out the kinks but it’s neat

[stray tiger]

They are thicker and do sound different

[gleaming crow]

specifically the spacebar though, is there a considerable difference in acoustics?

[stray tiger]

Considerable is a subjective term. There is a difference, but only you can decide if its considerable

[harsh dove]

lol I have seen it, just didn’t remember

Seems alright

[calm pulsar]

gmk spacebars are soooo goood

[harsh dove]

☝️

[gleaming crow]

you got any recommendations for keycap kits from gmk, just not the basic WOB

more of a black theme kind of vibe

[calm pulsar]

well Im not the guy here since my sets are:
wob
black snail
aurora polaris

they are all some color on black 😄

but im looking to buy gmk taiga currently

@gleaming crow check the sale on ValaSupply

there are some good sets for a good price right now

https://vala.supply/collections/keycap-sets/In-Stock

personally im liking gmk maroon a lot

[stray tiger]

With the introduction of new HE switches on a regular basis, the methodology for how you properly test for compatibility and range should be as follows.

1. Unplug the keyboard and swap the switch
2. Initial Calibration - Plug the keyboard in and wait 5 seconds to complete power on calibration (this is an initial reading of all switches)
3. Deep Calibration - This calibration occurs over time (Roughly 30-60 seconds with Tachyon mode enabled or roughly 2-5 minutes for non-tachyon depending on the model of your keyboard)
4. End of Press Calibration - The easiest way to calibrate the end of press is to press many times on the side of the key. You can't press too slowly and you need to give it a solid bottom out. Try to keep the presses consistent and steady (.5 seconds to full press and .5 seconds to full release). Completing 20-30 presses should be sufficient to fully calibrate.

The next version of Wootility will eventually include a switch selector that will help the board better pre-calibrate for the selected switch type.

[harsh dove]

Needed

🔥

[stray tiger]

@harsh dove this is why sometimes you get different readings with the same switch. Initial calibration will never be precise and will be slightly different every power-on, even for the same switch.

[prime orbit]

Bet imma put in my new switches and leave them in for 2 days before I use it

Optimal calibration

[harsh dove]

Which makes sense cause for example, the Neo lavenders will at first read 3.25mm then compensate but after “full calibration” they all work fine to 4.0mm without any compensation , at least from my testing

[stray tiger]

A lot of people simply swap the switch and start testing and not give the board time to fully calibrate or don't correctly calibrate full press. It's not required for every day use, but if you're recording variances publishing results, we should try and keep the testing methodology as consistent as possible.

[harsh dove]

The Black Jades were the only ones I couldn’t consistently get to do this

[harsh dove]

Yeah I usually wait 10 seconds

[calm pulsar]

@harsh dove do you keep any links for AE orings in your notes about friction mounting? I found and ordered 180-185mm 3.5mm thick orings

they even have two hardnesses

[harsh dove]

Yeah 180mm 3.5mm is what I have as recommended iirc

[calm pulsar]

k throwing the link in case someone needs it https://sl.aliexpress.ru/p?key=GjVFsgF

will test these if I manage to get my pcb out of the case

[gleaming crow]

these deals are kind of insane, im loving the zen pond

[cold bloom]

this is very helpful. I think I was able to get the routine down later in my testing but was a bit confused how to go about it exactly but this clears it up.

[magic venture]

Is there any difference in the feeling of the jade switch being 3.5mm?

[calm pulsar]

jade switch feels different due to closed buttom, not due to the shorter travel distance

[elfin garnet]

Off the Grid has been my shit lately. Definitely some kinks there too, but hella entertaining

[polar girder]

Not on steam? What’s that?

[untold wigeon]

I plan on buying my module (80HE), case, and switches soon.. Was wondering if I'm a fanatic of lighter switches should I go with Gateron Jades or Lekker Yellows?

Sound is not relevant to me in terms of what I look for in a switch so

This info would be helpful for me considering I'm also going to swap out my 60HE default switches to Jades or Lekker Yellows in the future depending on what you guys tell me

[stray tiger]

Both will work great but the difference will be if you prefer long pole switches. Is weight all you care about or does travel distance matter?

[untold wigeon]

Less strain on the fingers as possible

Weight + distance included

I want to exert the least amount of "energy" (if you can even say that for pressing down on a keyboard) as possible

[polar girder]

Jades literally limit how far the stem goes down. So that’s less work i guess.

[untold wigeon]

So Jades being lighter and less distance to press down would be better for what I'm looking for?

[stray tiger]

It's also less overall travel which for some people they don't like or don't like when it changes if they are used to a certain distance.

[harsh dove]

Yeah im going to do some more testing later today

[calm pulsar]

I feel like for snap tap having harder springs will help you control it more

[untold wigeon]

Yeah that's true too.. I'll have to think then considering if they're both the same weight it would be more or less if I want the standard default travel feel I get from my 60HE or going shorter..

Hard decision tbh

[stray tiger]

You'll get use to the Jades after a few days if you do change

[untold wigeon]

I love lighter keys, but I'm also very comfortable with the default travel

Yeah...

[stray tiger]

Get comfortable being uncomfortable

[untold wigeon]

I'll go with Jades then, thank you so much!

I like the idea of the smaller stem

[calm pulsar]

you can order raw geon HE, they have even less travel than Jades, but there are multiple spring options

[untold wigeon]

I'll look into it!

[calm pulsar]

https://geon.works/products/geon-raw-he-switch?variant=44485658280099

[elfin garnet]

It's not fully out yet. It's on Epic Games. You have to apply here to get access:
https://gameoffthegrid.com/pioneers/

There's also a trailer there on the front page if you want to see what it's about

[untold wigeon]

They're the same weight (lightest spring option) as the Jade switches?

It seemed to me they were even lighter but I believe I'm more confused about the termology more than anything

[calm pulsar]

jades' bottom out force is 45g I think

I think the confusion is due to initial force and bottom out force parameters

[untold wigeon]

My ignorance in terms of measurement names is stupid

[calm pulsar]

gotta make sure you compare the same parameter

[untold wigeon]

wowww

they're even lighter

You really just put me on huh lmao

That's awesome man thank you so much

I love super light keys, cloud switches basically baha

[calm pulsar]

there is always an option of ordering super light springs and replacing them in your fav switch

[untold wigeon]

beyond the raw switches I'll really be okay in terms of acceptability for my standards

[uneven cradle]

I don't think socd is going to matter much with spring weight since all it takes is for you to press the opposite key down is ~0.1mm I think it mattered more with rappy snappy

[untold wigeon]

I learned to love lighter switches from the hyperx cherry keyboards

[polar girder]

Has Partner code? Lol

[untold wigeon]

those keyboards were so stupid easy to press down on

[calm pulsar]

actually yes I also thought about what I wrote and thought of rappy snappy too, you're right

[untold wigeon]

and these switches are much lighter even so it'd be perfectly fine

[untold wigeon]

if you go even lighter than these raw switches you might as well be pressing down on those aluminum plates that one osu product had

[calm pulsar]

true lol

[tawdry tree]

What the fuck, that’s crazy for that price. 😮

[daring helm]

eyejoker has it on tier 0 too but from what I can tell he only tests latencies and scanrate

[tawdry tree]

Might cop it as well just to see

[tawdry tree]

I mean it’s end to end latency right? The key is physically actuated.

[daring helm]

maybe

its in korean

and translation makes it clearer but im still not sure

[tawdry tree]

I saw a project that was about a proper latency tester for HE boards. The current testing rigs with solenoids don’t tell you much of anything really so they opted for an electromagnet instead. Could be that too.

That it’s just the latency of the board itself.

But then Woot’s would be insanely high so I doubt it.

Either way, it’d be very impressive for a more expensive board but at that price it’s insane honestly. I wonder how the features are.

[stray tiger]

Eyejokers testing methodology is pretty good. I dont think anyone is doing it better. Although the numbers I see for his test results differ from what Zero posted above. One of us has old information.

[daring helm]

The one i mentioned also has deadzones too

Whats more important than latency is the rapid trigger performance

And consistency

[glacial wind]

Keep in mind the one I linked you is just a random blog though

[prime orbit]

What do we think?

[glacial wind]

And as I mentioned before the deadzone numbers are a bit out of date for some boards

[daring helm]

Can you send it? The blog link

[glacial wind]

I gave it to you before already in other discord

It’s the Japanese one

[old swallow]

weeb shit, but looks cool

[prime orbit]

Only the best

[daring helm]

Ohh its not that one

[old swallow]

does it support the wooting layout?

[daring helm]

Some other guy sent me another test

[glacial wind]

The problem is there’s basically not a single site that tests consistency of the press though - which is the failing point for a lot of non wooting boards

[prime orbit]

Probably not

[daring helm]

Yeah

[prime orbit]

I’ll make it work

[daring helm]

I can probably test it and return it if it sucked too much

[old swallow]

the bottom right isnt correct, it has 1U keys for the bottom row and a small right shift

[prime orbit]

Rip

Looked cool

I shall keep searching

This is cool

[dusky bear]

Guys what is like the smoothest/best sounding switch, which i could put on my wooting, need some inspiration 🙂

[daring helm]

In the same time, arbiter is the one who provided the firmware

[polar girder]

Best sounding is subjective but GEON RAW HE probably on top rn

[daring helm]

So it might be good actually

[remote cairn]

Sound is personnal

[daring helm]

I mean its so cheap you wont even think about it that much

[dusky bear]

i generally like brown switches

nothing clicky

[remote cairn]

Thought if you ask for a list of switches/find it in this discord (compatible) then you can ask how some switches sound/ask for sound tests if people have one

[calm pulsar]

sound IS personal, but there are some HE switches that feel closer to mechanical keyboard switches

[glacial wind]

For me I haven’t found arbiter to fix the occasional inconsistent press issue (but that stands for basically all the non wootings I’ve tried)

[normal schooner]

@glacial wind better start writing a spiritual novel

[daring helm]

What boards have tou tried

[normal schooner]

we need to sell more wooting keyboards

we cant let razer walk ahead

[glacial wind]

Most of the Chinese ones. I’m in Korea so meetups and such are common

They all have the same issue where they’re fine 90% of the time but then every once in awhile I get a weird press that doesn’t register properly

[remote cairn]

Afaik #🪛│modding_faq message you can base yourself on this list but I heard about some new switches that came out recently, like the HE Raw switch, not sure of its name

[daring helm]

Weird press?

Like itll just stop?

Pressing

[glacial wind]

Yeah missed actuations and such

[stray tiger]

Ive also noticed this

[glacial wind]

Usually when spamming a key too quickly.

[remote cairn]

The 80HE campaign sales were goated already

[daring helm]

Really?

Spamming a key too quickly?

My atk68 does not do that at all

[glacial wind]

Yeah this is known. It’s been an ongoing thing that appears in a lot of HE boards due to calibration not being as good

[glacial wind]

We might not be playing the same games or using them the same

[daring helm]

Osu?

[glacial wind]

nah fps games

[daring helm]

Only thing Ive experienced is that itll sometimes just stop actuating

[glacial wind]

I run at 0.1 actuation and play a lot of fps games, so strafe actuations sometimes being off slightly are noticable

[daring helm]

On the lowest settings

[daring helm]

I have no problems with 0.1 other than it being too sensitive

[polar girder]

And incredibly triggering. For me at least

[glacial wind]

Yeah like I said use cases will be different. If I don’t play specifically the fps games I play then I might never notice it either

[daring helm]

I see

[daring helm]

How obvious is it?

Oh wait

Slightly noticeable

[glacial wind]

Obvious. But it doesn’t happen all the time, just once in awhile

[daring helm]

Ohh i see

I mean its so cheap tho, it might be the best rapid trigger board under 100 for now

[glacial wind]

It’s obvious because in games like valorant you’re trying to line up shot timing with the strafe and if it’s not letting go or not pressing it’s really obvious

[daring helm]

Have you tried atk68?

[glacial wind]

Yeah I mean I still recommend the budget he boards to friends who can’t afford wooting like atk and drunkdeer (before the company became unrecommendable)

They just have to accept that there are drawbacks to having the budget board. That and I completely never recommend drunkdeer anymore after their recent performance

[daring helm]

They fucked up the g switch version

F to those who never got their money back

[glacial wind]

At least atk is only one board line

Drunkdeer literally has 3 board lines showing bricking issues

[daring helm]

Its like 55 dollars here, the raven68

And im sure the price wont ever change

[glacial wind]

Although now with the whole socd thing going on a lot more friends are probably going to ask specifically for boards that have socd changing

[daring helm]

Budget he boards will catch up in like 5 months probably

Or even more

[glacial wind]

I think razer accidentally just helped wooting sell even more boards lol

[daring helm]

Imo razer sucks

Even tho the performance is good

It sucks

I dont see the reason why would you buy razer over wooting

[glacial wind]

CS players have always been a bit slower on buying into rapid trigger tech, but now razer gave every cs player a reason to buy a new keyboard with socd

[polar girder]

lol yeah I’m happy

[glacial wind]

So now they have $180 and can either buy razer or wooting, most folks going to pick wooting

[polar girder]

Anyone know when it might be out of beta tho?

[calm pulsar]

yeah they rushed snap tap so that wooting can prevail after introducing a better version of snap tap and not sounding like shit on top of that

[polar girder]

Need a new optimum video on the Wooting Socd lol

[daring helm]

I wish all folks go to wooting 😭

Better modability better sound better software the list goes on

[glacial wind]

Razer is too pricy is the problem. For the same price there are just better built boards now

[calm pulsar]

modability isnt just better, for razer its non existent xd

[daring helm]

on god

[quiet bay]

yeah razer you

you're just stuck with those switches

and on top of that it sounds horrid

[stray tiger]

Not until they change the hardware. It's cheaper to use integrated components for things like power, RGB, sensor etc, but that comes with downsides such as reliability, heat/power handling/accuracy.

[daring helm]

U sure? Isnt it just a software thing? I remember even qmk/via has it

[stray tiger]

I'm not saying shitty software isnt also an issue, I'm just saying that you can't fix shitty hardware

[daring helm]

I wont really expect anything from OEMs like shenzen yaya tho

[tawdry tree]

SU68?

[stray tiger]

And that's my point. There are essentially 3 primary OEM's making these cheap HE boards and while they are budget friendly, there are downsides. Reliability is typically the top issue, but performance, features, software, etc also have concerns. Competition is good for the industry, but so is education.

[daring helm]

Most people go to drunkdeer tho since its the most well known

[stray tiger]

Guess they do a good job paying for advertising and giving free stuff to influencers

[daring helm]

Ikr

Wish I could get a free keyboard

But I suck at playing video games

Snap tap literally seems like its bannable tho

Especially in like bhopping

[tawdry tree]

It isn’t yet.

[stray tiger]

I see snap tap the same as I see macros. Macros have been bannable in games for years, but you have to support macroing for those who need it.

[uneven cradle]

Pretty much how I feel leave it up to the games how they police some of these features

[tawdry tree]

Is the Su68 good? I haven’t tried it yet.

[daring helm]

Not really sure

Pretty hard to find

[polar girder]

Reporting for duty. 🫡

[tawdry tree]

They’re on Alibaba for like $90 I believe

[daring helm]

Cant find them in shopee here sadly

[tawdry tree]

The all transparent one looks crazy. With underglow RGB too.

Like those cheap toys you get on a beach

[elfin garnet]

No lol 😄

[sacred pawn]

Hey, I'm looking for a good coiled cable. Anyone got a solid recommendation that's not too pricey, like max 40 bucks?

[normal schooner]

wooting coiled cables are 50 and well worth the 10 extra

[sacred pawn]

wooting store sell some ?

didnt knew that

[normal schooner]

https://wooting.io/product/detachable-cable?Color=Blossom+Pink

lots of colours

[sacred pawn]

ohh thx mate

[normal schooner]

and the only cables we gurantee 100% support

[sacred pawn]

ok ok thanks bro

[polar girder]

Man I don’t get the coiled cable obsession

No hate

Or the quick disconnect fascination

It’s all the rage

I just want a straight cable that’s all black lol

[pulsar canopy]

guys whats the difference between rappy snappy and socd? is rappy snappy just obsolite now? should i also bind socd for w and s? and should i use alternative fully pressed behavior for counterstrafing?

thanks in advance

[normal schooner]

read the pins in #⏬│rappy_and_snappy

[elfin garnet]

Agree, but the yellow and black cable that comes with the board is straight up ugly

[normal schooner]

thats your opinion

[calm pulsar]

I got me a kbdfans cable in black (it has a tiny gold accent at the connector)

its nice and thick, and came in a cool travel case

[polar girder]

Agreed

[polar girder]

Ehhh. Fairly objective but agree to disagree.

[polar girder]

A lot of them are on sale rn too. Solid deal

[elfin garnet]

Yes, ofc. I'm just not fond of yellow unless it's the HI VIZ yellow. That I like

[polar girder]

I just really don’t want the detachable connector

[calm pulsar]

fair

[polar girder]

I think I’m getting one made

[harsh dove]

WiredIn can make em without the connector

Makes it cheaper too

[polar girder]

He said “we can to it. I got you” but haven’t heard from him in two weeks lol

[harsh dove]

He’s a busy man, you gotta send him a friendly reminder tbh

He won’t be mad at ya

[polar girder]

Was hoping to use that sweet Fourth of July deal but yeah

[daring helm]

I honestly love how it looks

Its atleast unique

Maybe im a bit biased since yellow is my favorite color

[elfin garnet]

I should specify: the cable looks good. I just don't like the color

[polar girder]

Ok done. Thanks.

Yeah it’s a solid cable

Yellow just doesn’t fit my motif

No hate

[elfin garnet]

This color on silver though. Fire

[polar girder]

Yeah good thing he thought I was just going to order on website. But whole reason I message him is cuz I couldn’t configure it that way on the website. We’re getting it sorted tho. Thanks.

[harsh dove]

Yeah he’s also working on a cable for me and I went to ask him about something and he was like “Dude why didn’t you remind me?” Lol

[polar girder]

lol

[harsh dove]

Ah okay bet

Yeah he should be able to hook you up

[prime orbit]

Expected July 7th?

It’s the 23

[harsh dove]

Must already be at the warehouse then

[calm pulsar]

ANSI modules are in stock I think

[prime orbit]

It just updated for me

24th yeah

[exotic inlet]

Those look cool

[elfin garnet]

https://oblotzky.industries/products/gmk-cyl-mv-hi-viz

[exotic inlet]

Thanks for the link

[tawdry tree]

what the actual fuck does this mean??????

baby pictures of the people working on it? Surely?

[polar girder]

Bro what

[tawdry tree]

exactly lol

[polar girder]

I don’t understand what that is or why it was posted here

I don’t understand

[tawdry tree]

It’s Latenpow’s box

Looting66

[tawdry tree]

WHAT THE FUCK?

it’s like a charity they help or what?

[uneven cradle]

Child adoption it looks like

Not sure how much crossover there is with their market audience but hey

[austere creek]

according to the translation 100% cause all latenpow users invest in baby home plans

[tawdry tree]

They use the same box for international and inland sales

smart very

[tawdry tree]

yes I invest

The board is actually pretty solid

[polar girder]

Yeah $100 free shipping. Not bad

Exciting

[harsh dove]

Noice

What design?

[fluid ravine]

i think i want that

Where you get?

[harsh dove]

Nice got the IEM cabling

[fluid ravine]

o

[harsh dove]

And the cnc shells are Goated

[calm pulsar]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/usb-cable/products/aviation-plug-custom-mechanical-keyboard-usb-c-cable?variant=41838674903179

[fluid ravine]

thanksss

DADM 35

i mean it aint that bad

[calm pulsar]

yeah it comes in a travel case and its a thick cable

[fluid ravine]

o

i meannnnnnn

is it on aliexpress @calm pulsar

[calm pulsar]

I ordered from AE yes

[fluid ravine]

yooo

bet bet ima take a look

[calm pulsar]

let me find a link

https://sl.aliexpress.ru/p?key=VtcFsHA

my color seems to be sold out on AE tho hmm

maybe they need to restock

well that depends on the color you want anyway

[fluid ravine]

i cant find it for my region xd

rip

[calm pulsar]

you can dm them on AE and ask to restock or put it on there, if they sell it on the website it should be no problem for them

I remember asking them to put smth from the website on AE and they did it

[polar girder]

Yeah might as well

[fluid ravine]

oh fak no

wait when did shipping become 14.50

[calm pulsar]

lul

[fluid ravine]

i mean aint to bad

[calm pulsar]

I guess its better to order multiple things from the website and from AE if you want one item

[fluid ravine]

yeah true

I do need a new cable for the aesthetics

sorry woot but am gonna need to ditch the yellow and black, dont got a bumblebee board

[uneven cradle]

I need me a silver cable to match my raw 80he and silver frog mini

[elfin garnet]

that's what I'm saying lol

[harsh dove]

You won’t regret, it’s so flexy and nice

[calm pulsar]

which color you thinking to get? I remember you have 80082 and tofu in gray?

[uneven cradle]

Which store did you order your cables from again

[harsh dove]

WiredIn

[fluid ravine]

Probd dark grey

[harsh dove]

He can color match as well

[polar girder]

I like how it has some texture. Should be nice.

[fluid ravine]

holeh

thats noice

another day another ramen

[uneven cradle]

I think I just get cable to match Rubre Jane, should be good for the other boards too

[polar girder]

I just need all black to match mine haha

Excited for the black on grey keycaps. Almost thinking I should have got like gunmetal grey connectors

[fluid ravine]

oh yeaaaaaa black on gray

[tidal frigate]

Round cable shields around ports cool

[fluid ravine]

now i think abt it my dumbass always wanted black on grey, looking down my 80082 has black on grey ;-; never thought about that

+800 aura, the water in my cup ramen didnt boil out of the cup

[snow flint]

I get poppy marbly clack running holy60 PC stock foam, keeptape, raw he , silicone sandwich pad , keebtape thock film silicon for switches, PC plate and gmk keycaps

[orchid goblet]

Guys what do you recommend modding?

[primal scroll]

does anyone know what stabilizers are compatible with the 60he?

[tawdry tree]

60HE+ or non +?

[primal scroll]

non +

[fluid ravine]

plate mounts

[tawdry tree]

Durock V3 plate mounts should be pretty solid and no reported issues with them.

[fluid ravine]

anyone tested them yet? like anyone here?

[tawdry tree]

Cam did

The plate mounts.

[primal scroll]

preciate it

[tawdry tree]

Yw!

[fluid ravine]

Did he review them?

[tawdry tree]

Review as in use them while streaming?

Or what u mean?

[fluid ravine]

Like what did he say abt em

[tawdry tree]

That they were pretty good it didn’t require much iirc

can’t find his message

[harsh dove]

Yeah they’re solid, don’t need any finessing really

Just lube to your desire

No issues with fitment, they measured 6.5mm

V2’s are ~6.75mm

[fluid ravine]

hmm alr good to know

whats the difference with the v3 and v2's again?

just like stem interior design or what not?

[tawdry tree]

the stem

yeah

[fluid ravine]

ah thanks

[primal scroll]

just want to make sure if this is the right one

[tawdry tree]

Yup

[polar girder]

https://kbdfans.com/products/pbtfans-purpurite-r2

@red abyss

Not out yet tho lol

If you wanted to go little darker than the case maybe

[jade storm]

@fluid ravine Brother TuanV.

Copped myself some new OEM profile keycaps. Wanted to ask, how much does height play a difference in sound?

no more FUCKING shine

[prime orbit]

fun fact

dont get excited about buying all your parts

before you realize that all your money got taken for bills

now i shall wait another month

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[hazy flax]

What keyboard is this?

It’s heavy af aluminum

[gleaming pendant]

Someone show me some good black and white keycaps for my 60 he+

[polar girder]

https://geon.works/products/gmk-black-snail

[quiet bay]

looks like the mode envoy

[polar girder]

Ok, boss

[loud zephyr]

Mode Envoy. Where's my prize?

[gleaming pendant]

Not bad thank you ill think abt it

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/last-place-if-youre-not-first-gif-16048016

[polar girder]

There’s plenty of others but they’re nice

[hazy flax]

@quiet bay @loud zephyr wow I’m impressed

What model exactly?

[quiet bay]

I mean it's just called the mode envoy there's not really a model unless you mean the colorway

[loud zephyr]

Wow I'm blind. I missed the first response lel

[loud zephyr]

Envoy by Mode. Their keyboard names are as dry as the Sahara desert

[hazy flax]

80he or that one for office use… 🤔

[median spade]

Definitely envoy for office use

[hazy flax]

Damn it’s that much better?

[stray tiger]

It's not a HE boards so the MX switch choices are abundant and you can choose silent switches for it for the office.

It's definitely not a better board for gaming or performance input customization though.

[hazy flax]

Oh i do not mind silent switch or not, i have my own space so not going to bother others

[uneven cradle]

Man I tried so many silent switches but they all feel garbage
I'll stick with just not so loud regular mx switches

[ornate badger]

how good are the stabs on the 60he module?

should i upgrade it?

[uneven cradle]

Stock are all good I wouldn't bother

[ornate badger]

do i need to relube em?

[uneven cradle]

Maybe stock lube on the newer versions is pretty good

[ornate badger]

its scew in right?

[uneven cradle]

Depends which one you have the 60he or 60he+

[ornate badger]

the module one

[uneven cradle]

Supports both then

Comes with screw ins on the module

[ornate badger]

oh nice

u had me worried for a sec

btw which sounds better with jades? silicone or poron?

[uneven cradle]

Preference

Assume you're talking plate foam

[ornate badger]

yes

guess i need to try both when i get it

[weak robin]

do u guys think i could use my epomaker e68 case for my wooting 60he build?

[quiet bay]

No

That’s a 65% board

Wooting is 60%

[weak robin]

fair enough i realized that im dumb for asking that

thank you tho

[quiet bay]

👍

[thorn zealot]

u guys think it is worth getting a keebmat

to replace my yoga mat that i cut up

[weak robin]

btw what budget aluminum cases would u suggest for the 60he?

[polar girder]

Tofu redux

with brass weight, if you're bougie

[granite cradle]

I just ordered the 60 but I want to swap out the case to a white one but I still want to the strap any ideas (I’ve looked at the alumaze60, 50/50 on it rn)

[safe rover]

Just picked up the GMK maroon set to go with the anodized green Tofu case. I hoping the deep red will create a more harmonious contrast with the case. It should complement it well

[calm pulsar]

ohh thats good

[safe rover]

I have a feeling its going to be a beauty lol

[safe rover]

I saw you talk about the GEON Raw HE switches, how do you think they fair against the WS dash? and which bottom force did you get with the Raw HE

[calm pulsar]

I dont have raw he's yet, I was just listening to soundtest and peoples' feedback
I think they are similar, but raw hes seem to have even better tolerances and the bottom out sound is a bit softer due to semi-open bottom housing

I'd say go for them cause they are the latest "tech" as far as HE switches go

[safe rover]

Hmmm

and they are cheaper

compared to the WS dash

[calm pulsar]

that too

[safe rover]

I assume ill have to get the bottom force of 40

they don't sound too bad as well

[calm pulsar]

yup most ppl who got them are saying good things

[safe rover]

you already ordered them?

[calm pulsar]

I wanted to but I decided to wait until they are available on AE cause that's going to be cheaper delivery for me

for now I'm gonna be building a frankenswitch using black jades bottom housing and black knights upper housing, this is looking to have improved tolerances compared to jades, so I might have the closest thing to raw hes, just without the semi-open bottom housing

[safe rover]

Oh that sounds bad ass actually

[calm pulsar]

also this will be a black colored switch, I like when switches arent easily visible under the keycaps 😄

[fluid ravine]

Mb just got home from practice

[safe rover]

im still deciding if i want the 40g or 50g bottom out force lmao

[calm pulsar]

I'd get 60g but that's preference

[fluid ravine]

Usually the taller the keycaps, the deeper they sound

esp like tall thick pbt keycaps

Something tall like SA profile

[safe rover]

oh really? how come? I assume you don't like the lighter feel

[jade storm]

No wonder these sound kind of nice dude, super deep

[fluid ravine]

OEM PBT?

[calm pulsar]

I dont want it too light cause I find my jades are kinda too light, I find firmer switch feels nicer and more premium too, but again that's a personal thing
also I think you have more control over rapid triggerr and rappy snappy this way, but that depends on the playstyle too

[safe rover]

I was thinking this as well yeah, super light switches with .1 accu and rapid trigger and SOCD

oh man sounds like a cluster lol

[calm pulsar]

do you have your wooting currently? you can just see if you like the stock lekkers force and decide from there

they are 60g

[safe rover]

oh yeah ive been using it for a while lmao

[fluid ravine]

60g gang

[safe rover]

they are okay, sometimes i feel i could use lighter and sometimes i feel i could do heavy

[cold bloom]

Thackson stop holding Cam's switches hostage

[fluid ravine]

50g should be good for you then

[cold bloom]

smh

[safe rover]

esp since i play on low acc points like .1

[fluid ravine]

I already sent them out lmao

[cold bloom]

LOL

[fluid ravine]

Sent them out yesterday

[cold bloom]

just playin

[fluid ravine]

should arrive by like thur

[calm pulsar]

wait you're back to lekkers?

[fluid ravine]

hm?

no lol

Still running the RAW's

[calm pulsar]

ah

[safe rover]

how do you like the 60g for gaming?

[fluid ravine]

CAM bought me a set as a bonus, he bought 90 for him and 65 for me, ordered it then got it sent here now im shipping it to him, his dhl express shipping expensive af

almost $60

mines $24

[fluid ravine]

I like em, really stable for my preference

[calm pulsar]

that's pretty cool

[fluid ravine]

I've been using 60g for most of my time

like 50-60

i prefer like 60-70

[safe rover]

do you play on low actuation points with rapid trigger as well?

[fluid ravine]

yup

0.1mm

wasd and rapid trigger 0.15mm

[safe rover]

In theory it should give you more control compared to something super light yeah

[fluid ravine]

I havent tested socd yet but i had/have Rappy Snappy and SOCD at 0.1mm

[fluid ravine]

yup

[safe rover]

you know what

because they are like super cheap

ill get the 60g

[fluid ravine]

what you getting?

Raw?

[safe rover]

Geon Raw HE yeah

[fluid ravine]

alr

think you will most likely like em

lol

[prime orbit]

is geon raw dual rail?

[fluid ravine]

nah

but its tighter than jades for sure

no more chatter

[safe rover]

they def sound nice, i was just thinking about the bottom force

[fluid ravine]

Which also means like it's the closest switch we got close to MX

It's time to retire Jades!!!!!

(No hate)

[mighty egret]

what's the difference in sound between them

[prime orbit]

I was gonna try a black knight x black jade mod but now im thinking geon raw instead

[safe rover]

you going for team 60g as well lol

or lighter

[prime orbit]

i think so?

idk most people said they went 60

[fluid ravine]

Although Jades are pretty tight on the lineup of HE switches, there's still a bit of pocket or prob their mold design comparing to the RAW which still have chatter. Jades bottom out pitched in theory or from what i heard from the prototype RAW's are lower than RAW, which means the RAW HE should be louder.

I can't confirm that as I don't have Jades but again just from what I'm hearing from Keeb Taro

[safe rover]

luckily 70 switches is like $30 so if you dont like them you could get em again but lower

[fluid ravine]

yuppp

and by chance they will give you an extra one :>

i got 66 in my set although i ordered 65

CAM got 91 and ordered him 90

so save 0.48 cents if you're lucky?

[mighty egret]

i think imma just stick with jades

[fluid ravine]

Oh and fyi @mighty egret Jades bottom is like 3.4-3.5mm (some testings says 3.4mm but website says 3.5mm) and Raw he are 3.4mm

Yup nothing wrong with Jades at all, I can't say they're a huge upgrade from like jades to raw but i still think it's worth

[mighty egret]

hell ill see if i can find some for sale easy enough in aus

i think i'll get the 50gf bottom out ones that's what I'm using right now with my gateron LP reds

[fluid ravine]

50g solid

right in the middle

Use to have Akko v3 cream yellows they're like 50g, pretty gud

[mighty egret]

well actually they're 55g +-15g currently

[fluid ravine]

i mean thats a good spot still

[mighty egret]

but short travel

[prime orbit]

@harsh dove would black knight x Geon RAW work?

[mighty egret]

i cant find any sales listing for geon raw he that will ship to aus

[jade storm]

need Jades

tbh

[fluid ravine]

Honestly, ima answer for him for no reason (mis info watch)
-Idk he havent even test em yet, by chance the housing designs might a be a bit different.

hehehehe

[prime orbit]

was just asking cuz i was gonna do black jades

but ik the raws are better

[fluid ravine]

raw he better trust

[jade storm]

chill chill

are they on Amazon?

[fluid ravine]

(Cheap af, total cost comes up cheaper than jades themselves with shipping, maybe depending where you live)

[calm pulsar]

if only there were matte black raw hes

[fluid ravine]

na, they haven't release them to any other stores

it's only in geonworks (korea)

[prime orbit]

Thats what im sayin

[fluid ravine]

DHL shipping is like $24 or $58 depending where you are (fk u dhl)

but like 70 RAW switches with $24 shipping is still less than the Jades on amazon which is like $54

and you prob will get it them in 2 days like me :>

(Lowkey DHl express goated for the shipping but i fking hate the cost)

[jade storm]

how much was it

in total?

[mighty egret]

oh the geon site ships to aus

i might do that then

[safe rover]

ITs 54 for me

[fluid ravine]

for 70 switches and DHL? for me it's like $49-50

CAM paid like $99.71 for 155 switches (his and including mine)

But 90 switches for him with his like $58 shipping costs more than $100

pretty wild

[safe rover]

my shipping was $24 and $29 for my switches

[prime orbit]

So what is the diff in the bottom force