🔧│keyboard_modding

[marsh saffron]

Didn't mind it flipped, but it looked weird and didn't feel as good as non flipped to me now

[cold bloom]

I just find it’s more natural for me to press when it’s flipped and especially in game I find it’s more out of the way of the rest of my keys so I don’t press it on accident

[polar girder]

Every time I use my frog mini I enjoy it more and more BTW

big fan

[cold bloom]

Love that

[polar girder]

I think the frog mini with PP plate and SA profile keycaps does a solid job of shutting up the volume

Kilmat in the bottom probably helps lol

Kind of want to try black knights

Nvm bought them

And 35g springs from Wooting

Springs for $20 (w/ shipping) is a complete rip-off tho. Tf

[small canyon]

This isn’t mine, this is a pic from the reviews 🤦🏻‍♂️ no one reading what I said

[steel hemlock]

Dw Mr Flash

I read what you wrote

[calm pulsar]

there are some springs on AE too, made for hall effect switches

[polar girder]

Well I already agreed to the consensual hijacking of my wallet. Thanks tho lol

[tawdry tree]

Get those 2 stage springs off of AE, they’re good. Feels more even throughout the press.

Instead of really light at the top and more heavy at the bottom

[magic forge]

cheapest place to get gateron magnetic jades?

[polar girder]

Can’t find it

[untold wigeon]

These seem the best deal I can find @magic forge ust

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806229382210.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.f17116bdJqJFjD&browser_id=118ca3fefea742c78143aa1d9d4f5443&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=mqhmuusmucawwkyv190ad2b6bb2218727f421b3f7a&gclid=&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!45.16!42.77!!!45.16!42.77!%402101ead817208922223533036e9dbb!12000037087036724!sea!US!3074290985!&algo_pvid=0c460acd-3465-45a4-82c6-abf8d1c288fe

[magic forge]

indeed cheap, i remember i got a 70 or so for 100 aud thats half price

anayone know any good keycaps out in the market?

[tawdry tree]

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! €3,46 | 22mm Two-Stage Magnetic Switch Spring Custom Gaming Magnetic Keyboard Wooting Gateron Magnetic Jade Switch 28g 35g 45g 55g 62g
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EvIXKLV

I hate ae for this shit man

AMAZING ITEM BRO

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[polar girder]

Much more reasonably priced

BRUH

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[polar girder]

max 1pc/shopper

10 springs

Tf

[tawdry tree]

either 10 or 70

it’s 70/€9

[polar girder]

Oh cuz welcome deal

Yeah but they were like 60% off

[tawdry tree]

oh yeah

[polar girder]

For 1 for welcome deal cuz I wasn’t on the app lol

Mb

[tawdry tree]

ic

it’s a good store too

if you want a custom amount

you can just ask em

I got 5 pieces of every weight to try with mine

2 stage and single stage springs.

[polar girder]

Oh damn they have Gugu too. Should’ve ordered there. Oh well

Thanks for help!

[tawdry tree]

Yw!

[polar girder]

Black knights, Wooting 35g and those two-stage 35g on the way

[tawdry tree]

💯💯

[prime orbit]

So uh

I got my switches

Should I be worried?

They came in a plastic bag

[elfin garnet]

When did you start using a computer? Genuinely curious

[tawdry tree]

That’s normal. You don’t pay the premium for a switch tray like with Gateron. 😉

[small canyon]

Like 7 years or so ago why?

[prime orbit]

Well I don’t have a keyboard to test them out on rn so I won’t know if they are broken or not

[tawdry tree]

They can’t really break easily.

[prime orbit]

Well I wasn’t expecting a plastic bag 😭😭 it was still the KPRepublic store.

Guess you right tho

[tawdry tree]

They ship all their switches in plastic bags, I have never gotten them in anything else.

[quartz jay]

That’s the most normal packaging for switches, you’re fine LOL

[tawdry tree]

Even Gateron’s switches they send in that.

[prime orbit]

This is my first time ordering switches so I was just confused and concerned 😭💀

[tawdry tree]

😂😂 All good bro

[quartz jay]

Yeah it’s okay LOL

[wanton dagger]

How sticky is the adhesive on moleskin? Is there a version I need to buy?

[prime orbit]

Ok cool cuz I looked at them. They are like pure black it’s perfect

Now for them to sit in my drawer in the box until I get my other parts in like 4/5 months 😭💀

[tawdry tree]

Black with gold flakes in the top housing. Not 100% black black.

But I like that better.

[prime orbit]

I Didn’t even see the gold tbh

I’ll check again

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think there are different levels of adhesive but I could be wrong.

[wanton dagger]

Just wanted to check because I don’t want to damage anything

[prime orbit]

What part should I buy next?

Case?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah of course. It’s just regular moleskin that I have seen used. Not sure if there are different versions.

[tawdry tree]

If you’re using stock currently, a case would be a good upgrade.

[prime orbit]

No no so I’m building it with the module. However I’m buying like 1 or 2 parts a month atm. So rn my keyboard is just switches 💀💀

[wanton dagger]

do you mind sending me the link for it

[tawdry tree]

It’s on Amazon I think

[prime orbit]

Oh Ali question

The regular wooting

[quartz jay]

Than yeah u do really need a case LOL

[prime orbit]

Very true lmaooo

[quartz jay]

tofu 60 redux is a good pick

[prime orbit]

Yeah I’m getting that

With brass bar

[quartz jay]

or the alumaze if u want strap

[quartz jay]

W

[tawdry tree]

Alumaze for aesthetics, redux for sound (and aesthetics).

[prime orbit]

Nah I’m going for blackout minimalist

No strap for me

[quartz jay]

Ahhh icic

[prime orbit]

But for the regular wooting is the module the same? Like the way it looks. Cuz the module has like decals and stuff and it’s kinda cool

[quartz jay]

is there stuff on the back of the pcb for the module?

[fluid ravine]

Afternoon! Finally got to wake up late

[quartz jay]

Cuz my wooting prebuilt dont have it (art thingy)

[fluid ravine]

The founder's logo on your pcb?

It's on the pcb under your switches

[quartz jay]

So that means I’ll have to open it up to confirm for erix LOL

[fluid ravine]

i mean yeah sure

[prime orbit]

No like

Here lemme get a pic

[fluid ravine]

you can just take out one switch and there should be a founder's profile/logo on it

[tawdry tree]

The 60HE+ and the Module’s PCBAs are identical.

If that’s what you wanted to know.

[prime orbit]

Like this

Does the regular wooting have the designs?

[fluid ravine]

Yes

[tawdry tree]

The Icons are the same on the Module, 60HE and 60HE+.

[fluid ravine]

pretty sure all PCBA are randomized for every person

[tawdry tree]

Those were chosen by the founders.

[fluid ravine]

^

[prime orbit]

Oh so why don’t I just order the regular one and slowly upgrade it

[fluid ravine]

wdym

[prime orbit]

Like if I get the module

Upfront cost is like $300

Or I just get the $180 wooting now

And upgrade over time

Save some money now

[tawdry tree]

⁉️⁉️

[fluid ravine]

ermm

[prime orbit]

Am I tripping?

[tawdry tree]

Why is the Module $300??

[surreal heron]

skibidi

[prime orbit]

For everything

To build it

[quartz jay]

Oh

[fluid ravine]

I think he meant like spending every parts in total

[prime orbit]

I meant

[fluid ravine]

like switch keycaps case etc

[tawdry tree]

I mean

[prime orbit]

Or will it cost more in the long run?

[quartz jay]

I mean u already got switches no? LOL

[fluid ravine]

I feel like it would

[tawdry tree]

The Module is $150 and the 60HE+ is $180, so if you plan to upgrade everything anyway the Module would be $30 cheaper.

[prime orbit]

To be fair I only got switches rn 💀💀

[fluid ravine]

Cus I've done upgrading over time cus the module wasn't out when i had mine

[tawdry tree]

or $140, idk the price in usd.

[quartz jay]

Its up to u really

[prime orbit]

$140

[fluid ravine]

Hence my board is like over a year old

[prime orbit]

Hmm

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, so a $40 difference.

[fluid ravine]

So thinking about it my upgrades over time is actually more expensive than buying all the parts and the module

[prime orbit]

Ok nvm im gonna save the $40

I’ll just buy all the parts

[tawdry tree]

💯

[fluid ravine]

💯

[quartz jay]

W

[prime orbit]

Plus the module is in stock somehow and the regular is on back order

Never understand that

[tawdry tree]

and the 60HE+ comes with a steel plate, so if you’d want to use a PC plate that’d be an extra $20 on top.

[tawdry tree]

People don’t want to have to build their shit

[quartz jay]

I mean mine was and it took not even 8 days to come here lol

[fluid ravine]

Exactly

[tawdry tree]

they wanna buy something and use it

[prime orbit]

I’m buying a diff one anyway

My wallet is crying….

[tawdry tree]

Oh ic

[prime orbit]

Also I know those keycaps are very bad. Just placeholders for now

Wait actually

[fluid ravine]

Like let's say you buy switches keycaps plate and like a case that would cost like $300 and you bought a prebuilt which is $180 that would be $480 in total and if you buy the module wwhich is $140? (correct me if im wrong) you would be spending $340

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[prime orbit]

I can just take the keycaps from my hyperx huh

[tawdry tree]

If you buy those keycaps you’d be wasting your money.

[tawdry tree]

You could.

[prime orbit]

Bet

I’ll do that

Let’s go

$10 cheaper

I feel better now

[tawdry tree]

😂😂

[fluid ravine]

lmao

[prime orbit]

Also that puller I’m getting is literally only for the threshold to get free shipping. Not even sure what to use that on

But Kbdfans and AliExpress are like $30 more expensive for the redux

Wild

[tawdry tree]

It’s a great puller, you’ll find it useful if you ever take the switches out.

[prime orbit]

Sweet

Kbdfans charging $30 for shipping is wild to me

[tawdry tree]

It’s heavy

That’s why the shipping is exp from ae

[prime orbit]

Yeah I’m just hoping Divinikey is reliable

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[prime orbit]

Honestly tho

$270

Not bad

[fluid ravine]

Yeah it really isnt

[prime orbit]

And that is everything I need right?

I don’t think I missed anything

[fluid ravine]

Hmm

[prime orbit]

Next purchase will be the custom cable and keycaps. But that’s for later

[fluid ravine]

Sounds good then

[prime orbit]

Also is the wooting custom cable the best aftermarket cable for it?

[fluid ravine]

Yes

To ensure that tachyon works with the board as a coiled cable yes

[prime orbit]

OK cool

[harsh dove]

[fluid ravine]

Hi CAM

[elfin garnet]

Nvm I misread what you said. Thought u said u couldn't type without looking

[quartz jay]

Honestly the plate don’t do nothing, it shouldn’t be bendy for hall effect switches anyways

I think badseedtech talked about it

[polar girder]

Dang I meant to buy that one too. RIP

[polar girder]

lol

Ooook

[quartz jay]

I might be wrong tho, i gotta watch the vid again cuz imma mod mine

[harsh dove]

Finally getting my handmade Italian suede deskmat that I ordered back in March

Espresso Black

Comes straight from Italy

[calm pulsar]

make sure not to spill protein on it

[harsh dove]

I will

Gotta break it in

Espresso Protein Black

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[polar girder]

I’ve used both a Wooting g PC plate and a custom PP plate and they both work fine

I’ve never heard of anyone having issues with PC plate other than the fact it’s just finnicky to assemble cuz it’s soft and limp

But performs just fine

[calm pulsar]

i mean flex mostly happens on bottom out already

so its a non issue

[prime orbit]

So like. I’m getting it cuz it’s black

Full blackout keyboard

Is what I’m aiming for

$10 I’m willing to pay for the black plate

[quartz jay]

yeah no im completely wrong here, I was thinking of something else mb

[polar girder]

Worth

[prime orbit]

Ye

[polar girder]

I’m doing the Salem

Black plate is game changer

[prime orbit]

Www

[calm pulsar]

• black switches + black stabs

[quartz jay]

I’m over here going for a white build

[calm pulsar]

thats valid

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[calm pulsar]

I love that there are no signs on mods, just words

[harsh dove]

Gmk Minimal

[quartz jay]

Was thinking of going for this

They’re clones tho lmao

[harsh dove]

I'm not mad at it

[quartz jay]

but its fun to look at

[calm pulsar]

xdd

[quartz jay]

Or I’ll just get red keycaps so that it matches my mousepad lmao

[gray vapor]

Is the 80HE raw alloy going to be available later as well? Or was it only a pre order model?

[fluid ravine]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1237095277207359559

[glad iris]

If I mod my Wooting 60HE does my
4 year guarantee go away or end

[calm pulsar]

lickable keyboard

[fluid ravine]

diabetic keybaord

[prime orbit]

Good question

Anyone know?

[harsh dove]

In other words as long as you don’t damage the PCB because of some mod you did, you’re good

[fluid ravine]

Welp my pcba coating is coming off from the back of the pcb rip

Can't even send it back cus i didnt buy it

womp womp

[quartz jay]

Also one of the reasons why I want it lol

[remote cairn]

Did you get it second-hand?

[fluid ravine]

Yeah a friend bought it for me as a gift

[calm pulsar]

need a sound test with pcb coating and without it

[prime orbit]

Ok good thing I don’t have the balls to try anything other than simple switching of parts 💀💀

[remote cairn]

So either you or your friend can contact the guy who sold it and transfer the ownership of the order to your wooting account

https://hub.wooting.io/my/orders

Top right, you get this pop-up and you can transfer the ownership which means that if the keyboard is still under warranty you can send it without any issues

[swift hatch]

someone send some keycap links

[fluid ravine]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[swift hatch]

im talking about like aliexpress, amazon, etc

not that list ive seen it

[fluid ravine]

Well we don't know what you want unless you elaborate with us.

[swift hatch]

linkS

[fluid ravine]

Like i said i'm not sure what you're looking for, there are major factors in keycaps that can come up to preferences like keycap profiles, material, themes, etc.

[prime orbit]

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $10.45 | Sanrio Kawaii Cinnamorol Keycaps Mechanical Keyboard Caps Hello Kitty Pochacco Mx Axis Personalized Cartoon Esc Diy Key Cap Game
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mr9IxVS

Go buy it

[swift hatch]

1 keycap for 10 bucks is fucking criminal

im amazed 32 people bought it

[swift hatch]

feels pretty self explanatory man

[remote cairn]

10 bucks for a "custom" keycap is cheap tbh, usually they’re around $40-50ish

[swift hatch]

wtf 😭 you could probably 3d print it for dirt cheap

seems like they didnt spend much to make it

[remote cairn]

https://omnitype.com/products/x-ray-artisan?_pos=2&_psq=X-ray&_ss=e&_v=1.0

For exemple this one $50 one keycap, probably more elaborate but still, much more expensive

[cold bloom]

so clean

[remote cairn]

This one is made of aluminum thought

[cold bloom]

I need the full xray set sometime

[remote cairn]

It’s releasing on the 19th of July, I’m very interested in this kit, maybe not the artisan keycap cuz that would be a little too expensive but yeah $85 for the base kit seems fair to me

[cold bloom]

yeah I love the base kit

I'll def get the base kit atleast but I do really like that artisan

I guess the extras aren't really that special tho so maybe just base and artisan

[remote cairn]

Idk when the artisan releases though

[untold wigeon]

@swift hatch here. Buy 70 of these.

Anyone here actually ever pony up for authentic Clack Factory caps?

[steel hemlock]

https://www.cerakey.com/products/full-set-v2

Curious to see anyone use these on a Wooting

[untold wigeon]

Me, @quiet bay and a couple others do

[steel hemlock]

For the cerakeys?

How is it

[untold wigeon]

Yep.

They are fantastic.

[steel hemlock]

W lekkers or jades?

[untold wigeon]

Finger print magnets. But some of the best feeling, best sounding caps ever

[quiet bay]

I use with lekkers

[steel hemlock]

Do you have a sound test by any chance :3

[untold wigeon]

I have Dash’s/ jades

With Dash’s

[quiet bay]

These are freshly lubed lekkers with 3 layers of switch tape mod with a ton of other mods

[polar girder]

Ask and you shall receive

Wooting #🔧│keyboard_modding is the best

[remote cairn]

Can I get my 80HE tomorrow?

[quiet bay]

Ofc 😎

[untold wigeon]

This is with Lekker 60s

[polar girder]

Oh whoops

Um

Yeah eventually

Like tomorrow xTBD

[quiet bay]

Yeah lekkers suck without some immense modding ;-;

The amount of chatter it has without switch tape mod

[untold wigeon]

Yep. That’s why they were pulled out immediately. lol.

[untold wigeon]

That 2nd video I put up had a 3layer tape mod. lol. Still noisy. But to be fair had almost a year of use and hadn’t been relubed

[remote cairn]

How loud do you want it? :Yes

[untold wigeon]

It’s actually pretty quiet compared to when it had Lekkers and a steel plate

[remote cairn]

I think I could never with Lekkers V1

[untold wigeon]

I mean aluminum case, tape mod, steel plate, ceramic caps. It’s a recipe for loud. lol.

But the jades did quiet it down a lot

[quiet bay]

tape mod on the back of the pcb or the tape mod that goes onto the switch?

[untold wigeon]

I think the only person here I’ve heard that has a remotely quiet Wooting is @cold bloom

I’m pretty sure it’s his.

[untold wigeon]

On the back.

[quiet bay]

oh Im talking about the one that goes onto the switch

that eliminates most of the chatter

[untold wigeon]

I have no patience for that nonsense. lol.

[quiet bay]

yeah it's very time consuming

I redid it like 3 times 😭

[untold wigeon]

Though I can’t argue with the results

[quiet bay]

Very time consuming but cheap mod

just gotta get some gentle paper tape from a cvs pharmacy or smth

and a pair of scissors

[untold wigeon]

Don’t they have pre cut kits?

[quiet bay]

uhh even if they did I dont think it'd be so small to fit on a switch

[untold wigeon]

https://www.amazon.com/DUROCK-Compatible-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches/dp/B0B5XR8PTD?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A1G6HFHDKP9H5J

[polar girder]

So nice tho

[untold wigeon]

Maybe not those. But I know I’ve seen them

[quiet bay]

yeah those are sandwiched between the bottom housing and top housing

[quiet bay]

if only it was freshly lubed forever 🥹

[polar girder]

lol

Anyone ever silicone lube switches?

[quiet bay]

it does still sound fine after the lube is broken in

[quiet bay]

I dont think so

[untold wigeon]

The 100g springs yes

[quiet bay]

how do they feel?

[untold wigeon]

I have read about people doing it but you have to be very sparse with it

[untold wigeon]

I love it. Very smooth and responsive. But I imagine the spring is mostly responsible for that. Very stronk

[quiet bay]

oo

maybe one day I'll buy stronger springs

but for now im fine with l60s

[untold wigeon]

It makes the cerakey spacebar feel amazing

What country are you in @quiet bay

[quiet bay]

US

[remote cairn]

Imagine you get the lightest spring possible and you bottom out your switch with cerakeycaps

[quiet bay]

maybe the 1u keycaps can be lifted but the spacebar would not go back up at all 😂

[untold wigeon]

Dm me your address and I’ll mail you 5 of the 100g springs. I have plenty extra @quiet bay

[remote cairn]

I wonder how heavy the spacebar is

[quiet bay]

oh fr?

[untold wigeon]

Yeah.

[quiet bay]

Thanks

[untold wigeon]

No problem

[untold wigeon]

Like 48 grams I think

[remote cairn]

So L35s would work

[marsh saffron]

No

L45s barely/don't work

[remote cairn]

Wdym?

And I meant using a L35 sprint so that it gets bottomed out by a cerakey space bar

[cold bloom]

it won't hold it up

so it'll stay bottomed out

[remote cairn]

That’s the point

[cold bloom]

why would you want that

lmao

it won't work

[remote cairn]

Just for fun

[cold bloom]

as a spacebar

it'll just be there

[remote cairn]

Ik ik, we were talking about that earlier

[wanton dagger]

has anyone burger mount their module in an alumaze case? If so, how much different does it sound?

[polar girder]

lol I kind of want to try this but with aluminum keycaps

Imagine how light it would feel

Just flutter it, don’t slam it lol

[calm pulsar]

all keys activated at once lol

[polar girder]

Or that two-stage 35g could be good for heavier keycaps

[sweet oak]

Im gonna wreck it

[polar girder]

Even out the stroke

Or any of the two stage springs

35g maybe too light lolz

[calm pulsar]

yeah i think its very light even for normal use

[polar girder]

I’m excited to try

I think I could maybe go lighter than L45’s

Also curious about switch tape mod on black knights

[calm pulsar]

they are wobbly I'd say, so it might help a bit

[remote cairn]

Is it as good as an artisan jp?

[harsh dove]

It’s better but it’s not for gaming lol

It’s Italian suede

Has a lot of friction

And also cost like twice the price lol

[remote cairn]

What’s the brand?

I wanna check the price and specs

[harsh dove]

WiredIn

Luxe Suede Desk Mat

Not actually twice the price but it’s expensive

Depends on size

Don’t recommend for gaming tho

[remote cairn]

No you’re right, they’re twice the price

[harsh dove]

Oh ok

lol

[elfin garnet]

Would love to have one, but it would look like shit within 1 week because of my cat. My cat has already ruined my leather desk mat rip

[remote cairn]

The most expensive XXL artisan mousepad which is around 50 by 50ish is 60€

Not talking about the shipping which is 25€

[harsh dove]

Ah okay yeah I have two XXL Artisan pad, just didn’t remember how much I paid for em

Hayate Otsu Mid and Kou Mid

Or maybe just XL I can’t remember, they’re huge tho

Yeah they’re xl 49x42cm

[remote cairn]

They have hardness and size

So mid can be for hardness

But the largest size is XXL, 50x49cm

Which is huge

[remote cairn]

Do you have an ergo mouse?

[elfin garnet]

@harsh dove do you know if its possible to choose the badge color?

[harsh dove]

tis not sadly

[elfin garnet]

oh well

[harsh dove]

Not anymore but I wanna get an MX Master

[harsh dove]

Yeah that’s what I’m referring too, mid as in hardness and I have two XLs

[remote cairn]

Mid can be good on some but I think the best is soft

What are they good for?

[uneven cradle]

Love my mx master for work 👌

[polar girder]

Being Luxe

😎

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/kuwtk-keeping-up-with-the-kardashians-scott-disick-tea-coffee-gif-12073927

[polar girder]

Feels good. Looks good. Smells good. Perhaps even tastes good. Idk

[remote cairn]

@harsh dove what do you think? Is that true

He’s probably driving home rn

[uneven cradle]

Some people just prefer a harder surface, like for some the extra soft is a little too soft. I found the soft is a good sweet spot for myself

[untold wigeon]

I have a tabletop I made for using mouse and keyboard in my recliner that I covered in suede. It’s awesome, but as a mousepad suede is very very very slow. And expensive.

[marsh saffron]

Glass pad supremacy

[untold wigeon]

I have an Atlas glass pad. I love that thing.

[uneven cradle]

Yeah and it doesn't get much harder then a glass mousepad

[marsh saffron]

Sapphire pad when

[remote cairn]

I think it is for most

[untold wigeon]

Man made Sapphire that big would be very expensive and fragile

[uneven cradle]

I would say soft sells the most

[solemn plaza]

does anyone know how i could paint my wooting case?

[harsh dove]

Pretty much what Bigsly said lol

[untold wigeon]

With paint.

[marsh saffron]

A 49x42 synthetic sapphire pad would probably cost a few grand

Non synthetic would easily be 7+ digits id imagine

[harsh dove]

Yeah this has a ton of friction

[untold wigeon]

It would be way too fragile

[harsh dove]

like A TON lol but will also break in over time

[marsh saffron]

With a proper support from the base it would be fine, just need to be gentle

[untold wigeon]

It does but is still Uber slow

[harsh dove]

yeah I don't recommend this for gaming at all lol

It's suede so

[untold wigeon]

Oh good god no

[marsh saffron]

I love glass pads particularly because it will always feel the exact same as day one, so long as I don't scratch it or chip it

[untold wigeon]

@harsh dove sand would be faster

[harsh dove]

sand?

[untold wigeon]

Using sand as a mouse surface compared to suede. lol

[remote cairn]

I was thinking maybe I could buy this one instead of artisan but too expensive and too slow ig

Tho it looks great

[harsh dove]

lmao oh

[solemn plaza]

Well yeah, with spray paint. I just don’t want to damage anything. Which is why I asked how I could do it.

[harsh dove]

Yeah its very slow, probably as slow as it gets

Maybe PTFE skates would be better

[remote cairn]

It’s leather?

[harsh dove]

I am using glass skates

[untold wigeon]

Are you talking about the plastic case that comes with it?

[harsh dove]

yeah

suede leather

[untold wigeon]

No. I’ve tried. Same with glass

[harsh dove]

Ah okay

Yeah this is really just an aesthetic and feels thing

not for gamin

and smells good

lol

[untold wigeon]

I loved the smell of mine when new.

[harsh dove]

Then you stinked it up didnt you

[untold wigeon]

lol no

[harsh dove]

lol jk

[untold wigeon]

It just goes away over time

[harsh dove]

Yeah definitely

[uneven cradle]

Careful with the glass skates they like to eat mousepads

[solemn plaza]

The abs tray mount, I got the black wooting 60he and I wanted to change the color to match my keycaps

[untold wigeon]

Ok.

[harsh dove]

Wasn’t that mainly the v1s

Thought V2’s were better

[uneven cradle]

They are but it's still glass vs cloth

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[untold wigeon]

So I would start by sanding the surface from 120-800 grit then they make plastic specific paint. Paint it, clear coat it, wet sand, then polish.

[harsh dove]

Suede is really just destroyed/distressed leather so I’m not really worried

[uneven cradle]

It is a funny combo, the slowest mousepad with fast skates

[untold wigeon]

I’ve had both and not once have I tore up a pad. I’ve heard of people doing it but makes me wonder how hard they are pushing on the pad.

[harsh dove]

It is lol

[harsh dove]

This tbh

I’ve yet to destroy a pad with my glass skates

[solemn plaza]

Thank you

[harsh dove]

But I believe it happens

[polar girder]

I like PTFE on cloth

[uneven cradle]

It's not only just that but v1 skates after just a month slowed down to ptfe level speeds anyway

[polar girder]

Want to try obsidian dots next

[untold wigeon]

No problem

[polar girder]

I prefer the texture of a good hybrid pad

But actual mouse feel and control of good cloth

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’ve heard of stuff similar to that but I’ve also heard people intentionally sand their skates too

[uneven cradle]

I mean they don't tear pads up physically they just create slow/dead zones on your mousepad over time

[harsh dove]

Yeah makes sense

[untold wigeon]

I have them. They are my favorite.

[harsh dove]

How hard you press on your pad likely plays a big factor as well

[uneven cradle]

For sure

[harsh dove]

I feel like I don’t press mine very hard

But idk

[uneven cradle]

A lot of people like the extra plush mousepads since when you push in harder you get more stopping power

[untold wigeon]

Handle your mouse like you handle a breast. Don’t do to one what you wouldn’t do to another.

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s wild

[remote cairn]

Do it clap? (the mousepad obv)

[polar girder]

It’s not that deep for me. I prefer lighter weight and gliding over a soft surface

Just to be comfortable.

[untold wigeon]

Entirely depends on size. lol

[polar girder]

Mine flaps

1000x500

[uneven cradle]

I'm happy with my gecko mousepad

Super smooth

[untold wigeon]

I wish a good mousepad company would make custom sizes. I need something very specific.

[marsh saffron]

Custom sized artisans would be crazy

Also probably crazy expensive

[remote cairn]

I did that on my current keyboard and it made literally no difference

You can’t even see the wallpaper bro 😭

[fluid ravine]

My wall paper?

I have wall paper engine

I be switching my wall paper pretty often

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet oak]

i personally dont use wallpaper engine, i got a nice galaxy wallpaper i use

[fluid ravine]

I got gifted by a friend from school

[hard moon]

well, Wallpaper Engine switches through several different wallpapers you can choose from

[fluid ravine]

so i might as well use it

[hard moon]

and correctly set it won't take a lot of resources

[fluid ravine]

yup

[fluid ravine]

Like i would use this as well

[fluid ravine]

?

What were your expectations

Cus mine made a big difference in terms of modding usage on a daily basis back then and sound and feel

[remote cairn]

I was expecting it to be thockier, even a little bit but no

[fluid ravine]

Ermm no

Not everything or one thing specifically makes everything thocky

[remote cairn]

It didn’t change the sound profile or the feel, it changed none

[fluid ravine]

After all even in traditional gummy mount, the o'ring would make the board profile more thinner or lean mostly to clackier

[hard moon]

where did you get the friction mount o-ring from? Given the frequency of mods i need one

[fluid ravine]

Yeah bc its friction mount

[fluid ravine]

I got mine from cannonkeys

Bakenko60 30a O'ring

[hard moon]

[fluid ravine]

To sum it up, the pros over tray mount with friction mount would be the elimination of hotspots throughout the board and the "feel".

[hard moon]

i'l well aware of friction mounting and what it does

[fluid ravine]

Friction mount is actually not softer as we say as it's not really a gasket mount since the pcb is sitting on the standoffs and posts but it's not really making direct contact with the standoffs if you're using foam which means the sound of the board is more isolated and more even hence why i said it may sound thinner or lean to clackier i would say

[fluid ravine]

For the other guy

And from my testing and what configs I have done over the past, if you want a softer feel while making sure the case isnt hollow i would use polyfill, thinking of it as a pillow when you're pressing down on a pillow the cotton would push back the pressure to its inital position.

Same thing

[zinc knot]

Is there anyone who has tested cerakeys keycaps with lubed jades?

[fluid ravine]

@untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

@fluid ravine

[fluid ravine]

^^

[zinc knot]

Oooo

[untold wigeon]

Oh. Duh. lol

[fluid ravine]

lmao

time to work

[untold wigeon]

Yes indeed. @zinc knot

[zinc knot]

I saw ceramic keycaps were 2.5x the weight of a normal PBT keycap, does that kinda fuck with actuation/function of the switch heavily?

Also, what's the sound signature like? Mahjong with Mahjong? I'd love to hear a sound test if you have one on hand

[untold wigeon]

The normal caps and modifiers, no. Not at all above 45g in my testing. The spacebar is a different story though. Needs 60g to function (poorly) and 80-100g to be nice and crisp

[fluid ravine]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[zinc knot]

So did you swap the springs of the Jades for your spacebar switch specifically?

[zinc knot]

wat

[untold wigeon]

Steel plate

[fluid ravine]

sound test lol

message link

[untold wigeon]

CF plate

[zinc knot]

mmmmmmmm

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[untold wigeon]

Yes originally from the 45g Dash switch spring to a L60 spring to a Wooting 100g

[zinc knot]

man i can't decide if it's worth the $120

[zinc knot]

A wooting 100g? Where did you find a 100g spring?

[untold wigeon]

On their website.

[zinc knot]

ahhhh, okay thank you

man it sounds good, definitely in the books for a purchase

[untold wigeon]

https://wooting.io/product/lekker-spring-packs#judgeme_product_reviews?Weight=Linear100#judgeme_product_reviews?Weight=Linear35#judgeme_product_reviews

[untold wigeon]

No problem. You’re welcome.

[zinc knot]

it hurts thinking about buying the pack just for my spacebar

[untold wigeon]

I ended up doing all the keys. Heavy as lead shit but I love it.

[hard moon]

lol

[zinc knot]

man it's crazy how much variety is in so many boards with so few compatible HE switches

[red abyss]

can i order these on aliexpress or are they fake or something like that?

[untold wigeon]

Real but on the pricey side

[red abyss]

is that expensive?

cheapest i saw was 60€

[untold wigeon]

Wait never mind I thought that said GBP

[zinc knot]

that seems like a crazy deal for 70

[red abyss]

yh thats why im not sure

[untold wigeon]

I saw them earlier today for $42 usd

[zinc knot]

jeez

[untold wigeon]

$42 for 70

[red abyss]

shit do i order them or not?

[uneven cradle]

It's about what I paid for mine

[zinc knot]

that's cheaper than what dashes are going for no?

[untold wigeon]

They are all over the place. I’ve seen them as low as $42 as high as $79

[red abyss]

do i order them from aliexpress?

[uneven cradle]

Depends on the store you order from aliexpress

I got mine from Krepublic Store they were legit

[zinc knot]

Take into consideration shipping times if that means anything to you

[untold wigeon]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806229382210.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.f17116bdJqJFjD&browser_id=118ca3fefea742c78143aa1d9d4f5443&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=mqhmuusmucawwkyv190ad2b6bb2218727f421b3f7a&gclid=&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!45.16!42.77!!!45.16!42.77!%402101ead817208922223533036e9dbb!12000037087036724!sea!US!3074290985!&algo_pvid=0c460acd-3465-45a4-82c6-abf8d1c288fe

[red abyss]

where do i see that?

[red abyss]

it is kprepublic

[uneven cradle]

go for it

[red abyss]

ok for 35€ ill def take em

[hard moon]

honestly looks fishy

bought my Jades from Keyoo

[red abyss]

i have 90d free returns

[red abyss]

they are 66€ there

[hard moon]

riecht halt trotzdem stark nach Scam bei Aliexpress. Da 70 Stk. selbst bei Gateron 56 Dollar kosten

[red abyss]

nur gott weiß wenns müll ist gehen sie einfach zurück

[hard moon]

Viel Glück. Mir war das Risiko es nicht wert

[red abyss]

aber weiß auch nicht wie sie sich anfühlen sollen also ka ob sie dann müll sind oder nicht

[hard moon]

fühlen sich halt wie L45/Omnipoints an. Nix besonderes. Besser wirds mit L60 Federn

[red abyss]

hatte nur razer müll bisher

hab mein 60HE erst seit heute

[hard moon]

Ja gut, dann wirds definitiv etwas anders sein

[red abyss]

switch puller brauch ich dann am besten auch oder?

[hard moon]

jopp

Da reicht die stinknormale 5€ Zange von ebay. Muss jetzt nix besonderes sein, ausser du weisst, dass es nicht bei einer Wooting bleiben wird

[red abyss]

welcher wäre besser?

[red abyss]

glaub bleibt bei einer

geld scheißen kann ich auch nicht

[hard moon]

persönlich bevorzuge ich Variante 1

[red abyss]

ok dann nehm ich den

[hard moon]

sowas ist dann schon eher End Game Equipment für Tastaturen

[red abyss]

sogar mit keycap oben

[hard moon]

aber gut, bei mir sind es andere Dimensionen

[uneven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-nerd-cat-blink-big-eyes-gif-15286305703160120854

[red abyss]

So wars bei mir mit Controllern bevor ich gewechselt hab

[hard moon]

lemme sbow you something english

[fluid ravine]

no engles 🤓

Toi biet noi tieng viet

[hard moon]

Aber dann sagen, dass du kein Geld scheissen kannst... is klar

[thorn zealot]

Me too

[uneven cradle]

I'm telling Raquel!

[fluid ravine]

naur!!!!!

Raquel our beloved!!

[quiet bay]

yessir

[hard moon]

she owes me a candlelight dinner anyway

[fluid ravine]

i cant tell but is that a deer as your profile xd

or a dog

im dum

[fluid ravine]

oOooOooO

[zinc knot]

if i say it out loud i can understand viet LOL

[red abyss]

ok i ordered the gateron jades for 35€ now we wait and pray they are real lol

[zinc knot]

wait i just saw ur socials, ur from tx? @fluid ravine

[fluid ravine]

yup

[thorn zealot]

It’s a horse giving a side eye

[fluid ravine]

i am indeed born and raised

[zinc knot]

dfw?

or htx

[fluid ravine]

oh my

[fluid ravine]

htx

[zinc knot]

yooo

[fluid ravine]

:p

[thorn zealot]

I would post the full pic but I’m not risking another time out in this server

[fluid ravine]

oh?

[zinc knot]

wait idk if im gettin too deep but alief/bellaire?

[thorn zealot]

I posted a link to some keycaps 10 min ago and got a 10 min time out

[fluid ravine]

North West Houston

thats all i can give you

[zinc knot]

cypress spring

i got yo ass

[fluid ravine]

nuh uh

[zinc knot]

katy is like mid west

[fluid ravine]

nop

[zinc knot]

ggs

[fluid ravine]

LOL

you?

[zinc knot]

i cannot say :P

south tho

[fluid ravine]

Ah

All of my family from my dad side are in sugar land

just me and my parents up north :)

[zinc knot]

do they have kids n stuff?

[fluid ravine]

yea

[zinc knot]

might know em

LOL

[fluid ravine]

LOL

[zinc knot]

unless they're under 18, i might know em

[fluid ravine]

Not gunna spill random shi but i wouldve been having a kid by now

[fluid ravine]

some younger some older

[zinc knot]

awe damn bro

[fluid ravine]

Wish there was a keyboard shop in houston

[zinc knot]

yeahhhh

maybe u be the first one to open up LOL

[fluid ravine]

LOL

I'm 15

[zinc knot]

bro we have the same name LOL

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

yurrrr

[zinc knot]

thats crazy

lemme dm u rq

[thorn zealot]

Are u guys bonding

[quartz jay]

I like this

[fluid ravine]

thanks!

[fluid ravine]

totally-

[zinc knot]

i've met people in random ass public servers who went to my hs

[fluid ravine]

👀

[quartz jay]

I wanted to do that with a ikea drawer for my pc

[zinc knot]

some crazy shit in houston bro

[fluid ravine]

nah fr tho

[fluid ravine]

Like a Alex drawer?

[thorn zealot]

U guys are from Houston too!?!?!

[quartz jay]

yah

[fluid ravine]

yo? 👀

[thorn zealot]

I was gonna ask before I got timed out

Am I tweakin or are the lotus keycaps legends bigger than normal

[fluid ravine]

got a pic?

[thorn zealot]

I’m not risking another time out

Idk why i got timed out in the first place

There

[fluid ravine]

Huh that does seem a bit bigger

If im correct legends like GMK on the W would end at the middle of the keycap if that makes sense

unless thats pbt or smth

I remember modding a epomaker keyboard for my friend and i notice the legends on those keycaps are bigger than normal as well

[red abyss]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f is there a list for supported cases besides this? half of the links dont work

[fluid ravine]

Prob outdated links

[red abyss]

yeah

[fluid ravine]

Is there a case you're linking for in particular?

[red abyss]

idk anything about this idek any cases besides holy 60

[cold bloom]

there's a new 60% up for pre-order (461e)

if you don't mind waiting

otherwise tofu redux is solid

[red abyss]

what does it look like?

[fluid ravine]

Yeah prob the most common case bought i would say is the tof60 redux

[cold bloom]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/461e/products/461e-case @red abyss

[fluid ravine]

We call it the "Nipple Case" lol

[cold bloom]

milker case

[fluid ravine]

Lul

[red abyss]

ah i want something purple and that purple is horrendous ngl

[cold bloom]

lmao fair

[fluid ravine]

yeah same purple id say

E coating Purple

[red abyss]

this purple looks so nice

[red abyss]

looks better than the nipple thing in purple

[thorn zealot]

Yeah I think they are a bit bigger

These are also pbt

[fluid ravine]

Actually yeah i know PBT legends are thicker than GMK

So maybe thats why

wait ima look for the pic

[cold bloom]

the nipple thing

oml

[cold bloom]

purple overload

[fluid ravine]

lol

indeed

[thorn zealot]

These custom mx cases are way too nice compared to these cases for wooting

Been looking at way too many of em

[red abyss]

do i buy this one?

man why do they always only have a single picture of every color

[quiet bay]

Do you like it?

[red abyss]

idk they always only have a single picture

[quiet bay]

ig look at the other pictures with different colors but different angle

[red abyss]

i want this one so bad but its so expensive

[cold bloom]

welcome to the darkside

[cold bloom]

they kinda sound pretty meh with HE switches too

cause there's so much spring noise from them generally

they made a thin PC covering for the bottom of the case I think but it generally doesn't sound great

[red abyss]

i bought gateron jade switches already and honestly dont care too much about the sound

[cold bloom]

fair but if you have jades I just mean you might wanna get a case that doesn't make them sound crappy

cause they're nice switches

but all up to you obviously haha

[red abyss]

i care more about the look than the sound tbh and if it sounds too bad i can always send it back

[cold bloom]

true

alexotos did a video on it if you wanna check it out

he used different switches than the jades but just an option

[red abyss]

ill prob just buy a tofu 60 honestly dont want to spend that much but want a alu case

[cold bloom]

yeah i think it's pricey just for looks

tofu 60 slaps for a "budget" case

[red abyss]

yh

[cold bloom]

I love my tofu

and you can oring mount it and I think it sounds just as good as any 60% almost

pretty damn close

[red abyss]

should i buy the weight plate with it if i go for that one?

[cold bloom]

if you can afford it def get it yeah

it gives an extra bit of weight to the bottom so it sounds fuller

you can fill it in with foam or something else but the weight sounds really nice

[red abyss]

ok

[cold bloom]

the concrete gray colour of the redux is really nice I think

I might get one sometime tbh

[red abyss]

man im getting poor if i keep spending money like this on my setup

[cold bloom]

I feel you man

I got my wooting not long after the 60he came out and I've been modding it legit ever since LMAO

[red abyss]

i got mine not even 24h ago

[cold bloom]

that's dope man

do you have it in person or just ordered?

[red abyss]

i have it already

[cold bloom]

nice

[red abyss]

Only bought different keycaps so far

[cold bloom]

oh right I remember that spacebar

enjoy man it's a fun journey tweaking/customizing keyboards

[red abyss]

Was 20$ on Amazon lol needed some asap

[cold bloom]

lmao

[red abyss]

They even forgot to include the 6😂

[cold bloom]

LMFAO

[red abyss]

Now i have a flower instead of the 6

[cold bloom]

I didn't even notice

that's so random

[red abyss]

But honestly doesn’t look too bad

[cold bloom]

no I agree lol

atleast the 6 is in the middle

[red abyss]

Yh

[cold bloom]

such a weird mix up tho

you should message them and be like

send me a fkn 6 keycap

now

[red abyss]

Nah ill try to get a partial refund as im buying good keycaps whenever i buy a case

Partial refunds usually always work if its sent from amazon directly

They even gave me a keyboard for free before because they sent me the wrong one

[cold bloom]

yeah that's true

[prime orbit]

I would get the holy60

but i heard the sound is so bad

[cold bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSGwlzI5h5g&t=1664s

[quartz jay]

what the hell is that case 😭

[cold bloom]

It doesn't sound horrible at the end with the cerakeys

but it's just so awkward

[quartz jay]

making it lightweight like finalmouse or sum shit

[red abyss]

do the metal keycaps make a difference?

[prime orbit]

eh guess it sounds fine

but for the price

over redux

ehhhhh

[red abyss]

the price is my problem too

[cold bloom]

the sound is meh with regular keycaps

the cerakeys just kind of force it to sound deeper but there's still much better options for less money

both looks and sound wise I think

[lunar willow]

Which one is more recommended, dual-rail magnetic orange or magnetic jade?

[cold bloom]

jade mostly

[steel hemlock]

“Budget” ?

Unless you’re getting crazy limited artisanal crafted cases I don’t feel tofu is budget

Well then again, it is the keyboard community

I feel Tofu60 is really fairly priced for what it is

And if you wanted a more budget sleek aluminum 60%, there’s the Poseidon PSD60

[paper bloom]

Psd60

[untold wigeon]

@red abyss I love purple too.

[lunar willow]

Why do some people say that magnetic jade have accuracy problems?

[cold bloom]

that's why I used the quotations

[uneven cradle]

who be sayin that

[cold bloom]

some consider it budget

it's kind of on the edge tbh

for a custom case anyway

59$ for a case certaintly isn't budget unfriendly anyway

[uneven cradle]

it doesn't have as much range 3.4mm of travel vs 4mm, but aside from that I wouldn't say it's less "accurate"

[lunar willow]

Some Chinese players have switched to magnetic jade to play games and found that Valorant emergency stop response speed has become slower

Wooting original L60 responds faster

[paper bloom]

Cuz of the long pole

When u go down u gotta have more stopping power to go in

Since the bottoming is at 50

And the transition to go down from ur finger tip when pressed

Is when it starts to accelerate

If not its the magnetic or the spring

[paper bloom]

Also config dependent

[lunar willow]

Because I also want to replace the 60he with a magnetic jade but I'm just worried that there will be this problem

[zinc knot]

Is there a link to this?

[red abyss]

That looks sick which case is that?

[lucid quartz]

anybody know where to get gmk keycaps without group buys?

[uneven cradle]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[onyx mirage]

Hi, apologies if this is on the website already but does anyone know the width of the strap on the 60HE? just ordered one and want to make a custom strap ready for when it arrives

[normal schooner]

#🪛│modding_faq

[onyx mirage]

Legend, thank you

[stone wharf]

is tachyon mode even that useful?

[paper bloom]

It is

Ive been using it

[stone wharf]

other then for valorant

[stone wharf]

oh

okay

[zinc knot]

I can't imagine you'd need the difference of less than 1ms in any given situation for video games

[paper bloom]

Its good for all games

[paper bloom]

You do in some games like siege CS and some others

If you ask me even apex legends is a good one too

[floral jacinth]

Is there anyone experienced with keyboards and their modes?

[paper bloom]

@floral jacinth do u want my profile ?

[floral jacinth]

Can you look at the pm?

[paper bloom]

Pm ?

[prime orbit]

What’s the diff between the Poseidon60 and Redux?

[calm pulsar]

redux has ability to install a brass weight

the looks obviously

[prime orbit]

They look the same to me

Unless I’m missing some small detail

The brass weight I can see more

Now

[calm pulsar]

tofu is more blocky I think, poseidon has a bit smoother edges on top frame

poseidon has edges smoothed like freebird60 does, but freebird is the nicest looking imo

not biased at all (I have it xd)

[prime orbit]

Never heard of it

Lemme look

[calm pulsar]

https://keebsforall.com/products/freebird60-case-only

[prime orbit]

Also looks the same to me 😂😂

[calm pulsar]

well it has a way diff vibe than redux to me for sure, less blocky and thinnner "bezels"

here's mine https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1250752856756060230

[prime orbit]

Ah wait I can actually see it

[calm pulsar]

but the general shape is similar like the tofu

[prime orbit]

That might be cleaner

Hmmm

Decisions

Smh

[tidal frigate]

You have also holy60 case

[prime orbit]

The price

I can’t justify

Is there something that shows like every case that works?

[zinc knot]

Personally, I don't think it's useful but it's nice to have on anyway if you're not interested in RGB or whatever other lighting features

[calm pulsar]

there is a table somewhere

[prime orbit]

Found it

https://paramountkeeb.com/products/paramount-keeb-60-aluminium-case?variant=36131664101537

This one is pretty cool

Yeah so Baka60, freebird, and redux look the best

Some other one like frijell was cool but it’s $270

[calm pulsar]

this one seems to be sold out

[prime orbit]

Yeah it’s on eBay

[calm pulsar]

gotcha

[prime orbit]

But it’s overpriced there

Line $140

Like

[calm pulsar]

damn

I meann this case is kinda thin for 140$ lol

I think other ones are more value

[prime orbit]

Ye

Probably just go freebird tbh

The smooth edges are cool

And it’s like $30 more

Not that bad

Although not having the weight

Hmm

Actually nvm

Will redux and brass weigjt

Weight

The free bird is cheaper

Interesting

[calm pulsar]

yeah the weight might contribute to overall quieter sound, but with good foam/noise isolation I think fb60 will not be far off

[prime orbit]

Gotcha

Maybe I can do a mod in the future to add my own custom one

Not sure how to do that

But that would be cool

Actually I could get a laser cut of the brass weight from the redux

Then put the brass weight into the free bird

I’m a genius

Even cheaper lets goooo

Hopefully I can sell my 2 hyperx keyboards to fund this one a little lmao

[glossy pagoda]

I'm confused about the "ShipTection" listed there... I googled the service but I don't understand what it covers that wouldn't already be covered by basic expectations for a merchant

[prime orbit]

It added itself

Tbh

[glossy pagoda]

My expectation as a consumer is that if I receive a shipment that is damaged, or the shipment gets lost, that it's the merchant's responsibility to replace it

Are you able to remove it?

[prime orbit]

Yeah

It was $2 tho

So like I mean

Better safe than sorry no?

Or is it really the same 😂

Wait no it’s actually just the same

Lmaoooo

[glossy pagoda]

I'd hate to be on the receiving end of "you removed it, get fucked"

[prime orbit]

Yeah

It’s $3

$2

Whatever lmaoooo

[glossy pagoda]

I'd still expect the merchant to "deal with it" if I had a shipping problem, and if they refused on the grounds that I didn't buy extra shipping insurance, that'd be a great time to dispute the charge