🔧│keyboard_modding

[gaunt marten]

Ok gud

[pastel vigil]

So primarily, the whole TX Screw in drama is with the steel plate specifically?

[gaunt marten]

All plates

PC Plates depends on ur luck, Steel doesn't work at all

[pastel vigil]

Hope wooting addresses this. Kind of a bummer to release a screw in compatible pcb that isn't actually usable with aftermarket screw ins lmao

[gaunt marten]

FR4 KBDFans doesn't work

Carbon Fibre KBDFans depends on ur luck

[pastel vigil]

Guess I'll just have to find out when the stabs get here whether I won the fitment lottery or not.

[gaunt marten]

They making 80he compatible with tx/staebies iirc

[glacial wind]

Watch the latest wooting video, they discuss it there. Basically supporting plate mount + screw in mount stabs is what makes the holes a bit small for some screw in stabs

that's why 80he will no longer be plate mount compatible

[pastel vigil]

ngl Im new to all of this so easy for it all to kinda goes over my head

They should put a disclaimer on the website for the 60he+ regarding this becasue as it stands it's marketed as compatible with screw ins.

[glacial wind]

honestly people need to stop changing their stabs for no reason

[pastel vigil]

I'm changing them because I am using magnetic jades and it's kinda annoying not having long pole stabs

[glacial wind]

you don't have to change them for long pole stabs unless you run into the wobble issue, which isn't happening usually

[pastel vigil]

and figured I might as well get screw ins instead of clip ins becasue my board "supports" it lol

[glacial wind]

it's a common misconception that just because you have 3.5mm long pole travel that you need to have long pole stabs. Or that one stab is necessarily better than another when both are tuned and lubed properly

I do agree they probably need to add a little warning note to let people know some screw ins might be incompatible though, but i also think beginners probably don't realize changing stabs is just throwing money away for no reason usually

[untold wigeon]

whats better for tape mod opening from the back or front

[wispy thistle]

Is there any sound profile difference between using the two different types of stabs if you have a long pole switch?

[glacial wind]

yeah. Although which you prefer will depend on sound preference and switches

[pastel vigil]

I personally have no interest in lubing and tuning, I just want plugnplay basically. I'm not an enthusiast. If I wasn't using magnetic jades I wouldn't be doing anything to the stabs.

[glacial wind]

for example in my zoom75 which is using long pole morandi switches when I use long pole stabs it becomes less thocky

and when I use the long pole stabs it brings out the long pole bottom out sound more

[gaunt marten]

just use stock den

theyre decent enuf at stock

[pastel vigil]

Nah it's kind of a mess with the jades lol

[glacial wind]

it's not though.

it's what we're trying to explain to you

they work perfectly fine with jades for 9/10 people

[wispy thistle]

Is that usually the case where long pole stabs will usually give a more clackier sound profile or it’s more nuanced than that,

[pastel vigil]

So if I'm the 1/10, what am I doing wrong?

[glacial wind]

just unlucky with cheaper keycaps normally

[untold wigeon]

is it better to open ur keyboard from the front or back to tape mod

[gaunt marten]

wut

[glacial wind]

it just makes the bottom out more pronounced mainly

[gaunt marten]

theres no screw holding it from the back

[pastel vigil]

Interesting. I'm using stock keycaps, but I have some nicer ones on the way.

[gaunt marten]

screws are open from the plate/pcb

[wispy thistle]

Ty

[untold wigeon]

oh

[glacial wind]

The wobble issue with jades is usually caused by keycaps that have looser stems. If your keycaps aren't loose and you don't specifically push your space bar hard on the side you'd likely never run into the issue or know it's a thing

[gaunt marten]

at worst u add a layer of tape on the keycap stem

the scuff method

[glacial wind]

wuque morandi is literally one of the most popular switches in the world right now and heavily used in zoom meletrix boards that come with non long pole stabs as default and it's rare to see people run into the wobble thing or know it exists

the jade wobble worries is kind of just amplified because people new to keyboards see someone say it then repeat it to others and it spreads like a game of telephone

[pastel vigil]

I do push space hard on the side, it doesn't happen in normal use, but it does in gaming, which is whats frustrating.

Actually the switches are too soft, I'm looking forward to the springs wooting is teasing. I need some more resistence.

[stray tiger]

There are a number of issues here. While there are some reported issues with TX AP stabs, there are also just as many people without a problem. However screw-in/clip-in stabs from Cherry, Durock, Owlabs, GMK etc all work without issue. The other issue is that the Jades aren't an officially supported switch at this time. While it might be compatible, it's not officially supported and was developed without communicating with Wooting.

[harsh dove]

I was going to answer but Sno and Tirade answered everything pretty much lol

and no I did not test long pole

[pastel vigil]

Thanks for the info. It's my first keyboard, so it's a lot to take in and consider/learn. Well, first one that isn't like a random keyboard off the shelf in best buy lmao.

[stray tiger]

So basically there are some people who are reporting an issue from a single stab manufacturer (we won't count staebies) and 6-8 other brands that work fine. However even with that small subset of people and stabs, Wooting is addressing it in the next board.

[pastel vigil]

Do long pole screw ins exist in the brands you mentioned? I only managed to finx TXs. I'll shop around just in case my TXs don't fit.

[stray tiger]

There is a lot to learn and it can be fun or frustrating. Check the modding FAQ and ask questions. You'll find we are pretty good about helping.

[pastel vigil]

Ya'll have been super helpful, I've asked a lot here and used the search function a bunch too ❤️

[empty sinew]

I wouodnt choose Jades for a gaming switch

[stray tiger]

I'm not sure which brands offe long pole stabs but you can always try adding a small o-ring to the stab stems instead of replacing them with long pole. That way when the next amazing switch comes out that blow Jades out of the water, you won't need new stabs

[gaunt marten]

There is

Oh wait

I missread

Fml

Long pole stabs do exist

[pastel vigil]

Why not? I've been really liking them compared to stock.

[empty sinew]

For gaming I prefer the lekkers or peaches or the likes

[pastel vigil]

I mean a lot of things do just come to preference.

[empty sinew]

It does but i feel they are bit too heavy for comp gaming

Same as lekkers 60

[harsh dove]

The entire keyboard hobby is a preference

[empty sinew]

I prefer 45-50 for the gaming sessions

[pastel vigil]

True.

[empty sinew]

Easier to press/spam

[pastel vigil]

See I was saying earlier I thought they were too soft. Eagerly awaiting wooting springs to change that.

[empty sinew]

Thry are also very loud tbh

And for gaming can get annoying

For many prople they are

But ofc its what you prefer

I am merely telling you my reasons

[pastel vigil]

Yeah, some people like loud, or hate it. Personally I give 0 care to what the keyboard sounds like since I never actually hear it with my headphones.

[pastel vigil]

Ye, always interesting to get perspective from others.

[empty sinew]

Well the main reason I see people pick Jades is the feeling for typing and some like sound of typing.

I don't really see them as a gaming first switch

[pastel vigil]

I gravitated towards them because they bottom out at 3.5 instead of 4.

[empty sinew]

I heard people use them to play some old arcade games

Due to the fact that they sound closest to the old keyboards they used to playing them when young

[harsh dove]

Yeah, I personally just like them for sound

If I had to choose a gaming first switch I'd go with Raptor Hybrids

[empty sinew]

Yep

Or ks20u should he good for gaming

[harsh dove]

Yeah, those are fine too, Raptor Hybrids are deeper sound tho which I like

[pastel vigil]

This guy? https://divinikey.com/products/geon-raptor-he-switches

[harsh dove]

Yessir

then stem swap with a L60 or L45

and even spring swap if you want

[empty sinew]

Raptors with the stem swap, but you do loose the led colors a bit?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

I don't use RGB tho

[empty sinew]

Does the top housing make the sounds deeper?

Otherwise one could maybe even mod the housing to make the led window transparent

[harsh dove]

I can't remember if the top housing was Nylon or not

[pastel vigil]

I don't either. I'm gonna check out the Raptors a few weeks from now, once I'm used to my current setup so that when I swap I can feel the difference better.

Actually who am I kidding, I know myself, I'm gonna end up getting every HE switch just for the fun of it.

[harsh dove]

like me lol

[pastel vigil]

Can I come over lmao

[gaunt marten]

I wonder if u can use the top hop housing of raptor + jades bottom

[pastel vigil]

Am bringing my wooting since it has a strap

[harsh dove]

Although I don't have the reverse polarity HE switches, I only have the Wooting "compatible" ones

[pastel vigil]

Nice PC, what are you rocking? I just built a new one and went all out.

[harsh dove]

Probably not but could try it at some point

[gaunt marten]

Need to do more Frankenstein

Finding the ultimate one

[harsh dove]

Nothing too crazy

[harsh dove]

Lol yeah I'll mess around with it tomorrow maybe

[pastel vigil]

Looks neat, very clean.

What size o rings/washers are useful for keybord modding? Gonna buy a few off amazon to have on hand.

[tawdry tree]

They could ship 60HE+ models with PCB mounted stabilizers instead of plate mounted stabilizers and widen the stabilizer hole on the switch plate, issue mitigated. The reason they hold onto plate mounted stabilizers is their price but looking at the 80HE that doesn’t seem like an issue. 🥴

[pastel vigil]

At least it's getting fixed for the 80HE. Also funny that the 80HE is getting true 8K first. Hopefully they release a 60HE++ with fixed stabilizer holes and 8K.

Wooting is a gateway drug, I see why keyboard enthusiasts are keyboard enthusiasts.

[tawdry tree]

A 60HE++ most likely in a year or two.. 😁

[pastel vigil]

I went from who would spend 200 on a keyboard to spending WAY more than that and happily willing to spend more. I owe my wallet an apology.

[tawdry tree]

That goes for everyone here. 🤣

[empty sinew]

80HE is too big for me :\

I prefer the looks of 60he

[pastel vigil]

It's funny how it adds up too, I was like let me just get the prebuilt. Then I was like damn that case looks good, and these cables look cool and and and and and here we are. I'm debating buying a second wooting just to customize it differently.

[empty sinew]

Hence why I got my 2nd module on the way

[pastel vigil]

My perfect layout is 65% with a numpad on the left side, I use the Keychron Q0 Plus which I am also customizing lmao

[empty sinew]

But not sure how much wife is fond on me having so many different keyboards. She started to question my sanity 😄

[pastel vigil]

Don't do this to me, I just added it to my cart and closed the window a while ago.

Since I have a spare case, switches and keycaps might as well put a wooting in there, but I know am gonna end up getting different stuff for it which is why i came to my senses and closed the window before things got out of hand.

[empty sinew]

recently got the TOFU60 Acrylic so Alumaze is lonely, and needs a board

[pastel vigil]

It's the humane thing to do.

[polar girder]

Yeah I just can’t do that form factor

But would certainly buy an 8k 60HE+ PCB ASAP

Shameless

lol module update. That’s wishful thinking. But a man can dream.

[pastel vigil]

They said the 60 is too small to add the necessarey components for 8K.

Perhaps it's the reason they ended up with the 80 isntead of giving us 65 or TKL.

[glacial wind]

I’m not sure where you read about it being too small. It’s more that some hardware parts like mcu need to be swapped to more powerful ones to do 8k

[pastel vigil]

I could be wrong, I read someone say they asked wooting and that's what they said but i haven't seen it for myself. Regardless, I would be more than happy to buy another 60 with 8K or a 65 in the future.

[tawdry tree]

The MCU on the 60 is tilted iirc maybe to fit between the switch LEDs and HE sensors.

[late gazelle]

I may have just missed it but is there a 3d model of the wootings keycaps anywhere?

it appears that wooting's model doesn't include them

[strange blaze]

Guys should i switch out my wooting foam with polyfill

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8DRJc7Q0BY

[pastel vigil]

Would it hurt the PCB to do a layer of painters tape and then do 2 layers of something thicker and more sticky like painters tape? The painters tape will protect the pcb from the adhesion of something more sticky, but what about heat?

[neat tundra]

Hello guys, i play fortnite a lot and i want to buy wooting especially for fortnite, what switches should i choose, default L60 or should i buy L45?

[gaunt marten]

Preference

I personally prefer 45 cuz its light

[signal lion]

Hi, there anything I could do to a stabilizer that doesn’t return , my spacebar left of 60he module stab doesn’t return

[pastel vigil]

Do you want a light or heavy key?

[kind helm]

lighter is easier to press but also easier to misclick.

[neat tundra]

Light

Ill be typing so fast so lither will be better i think

[pastel vigil]

get the 45s then

[kind helm]

did you install the stem with the wrong direction?

[gaunt marten]

Its either the stem is installed in the wrong way or the wire popped out of the stem

[shrewd dragon]

ye im also saying that ive fallen into the rabbit hole of keyboard modding and i dont think i will get out of it myself

i even considered buying a SECOND 60HE for ANSI layout just because of modding

fuck me

[pastel vigil]

lmfaoooo, bro i got a second one in my cart rn debating

[shrewd dragon]

shit we both down bad bro

[pastel vigil]

I was looking at them on ebay and seeing if i would lose money reselling one if i end up regretting it

But whats more likely is am gonna end up with a third keyboard because i saw some good deals

so i am just closing all the windows and going back to looking at keycaps

[shrewd dragon]

yea i will just wait for 80HE

i will buy it in ANSI Layout so i got both depending on what im doing

but ye the keycaps thing made my head stroke getting German layout ISO is pretty Hard and them not being cheap as fuck is even harder (cheap plastic and bad print quality)

oh shit

I expected them mid March

But my keycaps just arrived

[obsidian dagger]

ye iso can be annoying

[pastel vigil]

I prefer the iso enter key, maybe it's because I grew up with iso. I still use ansi though just because it's easier. I want ansi with iso enter key only.

[signal lion]

What stem? The stabs come pre mounted into pcb

[kind helm]

stem is the top part of your stab connected to the key cap. idk maybe they somehow mess it up before they sent it to you?

you can try to unscrew the stabs and see if it is placed in the right direction.

[kind helm]

so it is returning, all good?

[signal lion]

No , the left gets stuck

[kind helm]

maybe too much lube + 45g spring?

is it like squishy when you press the left side?

[signal lion]

Yes using l45 , it’s feel like a dry click you click and feel@nothing them get stuck

[brave bramble]

So, i was thinking(and i am) about buying the 80HE when it comes out. My problem is, wooting themselves dont make PT ISO keycaps...
Does any1 thats either portuguese or in general know where i can find these?

[signal lion]

You have traitors, or ducky that make iso pt

[brave bramble]

tyty

[kind helm]

did you mod the stab? if you used something like bandaid mod maybe it was to thick.

[strange blaze]

Would you say high quality soft and dense polyfill or bit lower quality rough and not as dense polyfill is better?

I got like 5 different bags of polyfill at home

[signal lion]

No, all stock stabs stock and l45 stock too

[kind helm]

nothing is "better" it is always "i like that more" 🥲

[strange blaze]

Well wich would you prefer i‘d just like to get an opinion

[kind helm]

weird.. maybe the stab is messed up somehow, you can unscrew it from the plate and try to move it up and down by wiggling the wire and see why it is stuck

[kind helm]

personally i just use a layer of cotton to solve the hollowness problem and have a layer of tape under the pcb to protect the pcd from shorting by contact with the cotton

this is how mine sound

[strange blaze]

Damn thats amazing

[strange blaze]

Alright thanks

[tidal rampart]

Hi ! For you it's worth to change stabilizer on 60he+ module ?

[untold wigeon]

thats all you did?

how much cotton can u show?

[paper bloom]

Bro you gotta try Cardboard

[untold wigeon]

i have cardboard from packages surely that cant be used xD

[stiff ivy]

Wooting typing sound, what are your opinions?

Also do keycaps affect keyboard sound?

[paper bloom]

IT CAN WDYM

[untold wigeon]

send how it sounds

[paper bloom]

I mean not yet im waiting on my new stuff to come in so i can do it

[untold wigeon]

ah got it

[paper bloom]

I will send how it sounds like tho

Once i got it

[untold wigeon]

thanks man

[paper bloom]

No issue

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[gaunt marten]

Lekkers is kinda eh

[pine tiger]

is there a definitive best alternative switch to the lekkers? i see people throw around jades or ks20u - seen someone use geon raptor HE's and replace the stem with the lekker60 stem, which also sounded pretty good

also do TX AP stabs make a big difference compared to the OG stabs? i dont have the plate mounted kit and my spacebar sounds trash

[stiff ivy]

What’s the best type of material for the keycaps?

[shrewd dragon]

but most accurate for functionality right?

[stiff ivy]

For durability

[glacial wind]

pbt if you don't want shine

[shrewd dragon]

ye PBT is what i would recommend too

[gaunt marten]

Not really

[shrewd dragon]

Jades better for both?

[gaunt marten]

There's plenty of aftermarket switch that doesn't have issue

[gaunt marten]

Id say jades or peaches

[shrewd dragon]

ok ok

[fierce canyon]

No because different switches have different purposes. Not just in sound and feel but also functionality.

I got jades for the stem wobble and slightly reduced travel (before learning the newer dual rail switches were a thing, oops) but some people might like the sound. Lighter switches are better for finger/wrist strain and fast inputs.

Check around for sound tests though if the rest doesn't matter to you.

[fierce canyon]

"peaches" are a thing now?

dang they're comin' out with tons of new switches

[gaunt marten]

Magnetic orange 2.0

The name is so long so people call em peaches

KS20U is confusing for some

[fierce canyon]

oh those? the dual rail ones?

[gaunt marten]

Yup

[fierce canyon]

ahh yeah i might've gotten those instead of the jades had i known about them at the time. The dual rail shenanigans seems useful...

[idle pier]

wtf that sounds amazing

wanted to know if i can order smth like this for a friction mount: https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005003817877979.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.592178babxJwr4&algo_pvid=2f870492-9c40-46bb-bbd6-c9be2fb69e7a&algo_exp_id=2f870492-9c40-46bb-bbd6-c9be2fb69e7a-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis!EUR!2.59!2.07!!!2.74!2.19!%402103853617093900624903772e8065!12000027263057535!sea!FR!4727609673!&curPageLogUid=n9hdlimIZp0Y&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A if yes which size?

[fierce canyon]

cotton though? Yikes sounds risky

[idle pier]

yeah i would be scared af constantly xd

[gaunt marten]

Mine sound kinda ass cheeks ngl, waiting for jades rn

[idle pier]

sounds good for lekkers imo

but yeah a little chattery

[fierce canyon]

i got jades just to proceed to shove some nylon washers inside them to reduce travel so byebye to that sound lol

[gaunt marten]

Now all i need is gummy o ring which will be restocked soon

[idle pier]

where would you buy yours?

[gaunt marten]

From a local seller

The other selling is too expensive ngl

So i waiting for a diff seller to restock which is in 2 weeks

[idle pier]

oh fairs haah

do you know the dimensions of the oring you need for the wooting by any chance?

[gaunt marten]

170 diameter, 3.5 thickness

[pine tiger]

Ah cool, thanks, what’s the biggest advantage of dual rail? Reduced rattle / wobble by the sounds of it?

[gaunt marten]

30-55A pretty sure

This is for clip ins/platemount

[pine tiger]

Also changing the OG 60HE stabs (not screw in), worth it?

[gaunt marten]

For screw ins graveshift small i have no clue

[fierce canyon]

AFAIK just reduced wobble. Theoretically might affect sound a smidge but i'd assume they'd be aiming for a specific sound and just take the rails into account for that regardless

[gaunt marten]

Smoother also

[fierce canyon]

oh? neat

[idle pier]

theres a 170 3.0 on ali for 3€ i'll try that for now

[gaunt marten]

Kekw

[idle pier]

spent enough already on module alumaze and jades lmao

[gaunt marten]

Im waiting for the retailer to restock 2$ gummy o ring

[idle pier]

xddd

[gaunt marten]

Cant see myself paying 10$ for o rings

[idle pier]

i live in europe so it's easier to find things on ali for dirt cheap

[gaunt marten]

Im receiving 47 jades tmrw

16 monday

I bought one from a diff e-commerce cuz voucher

[whole creek]

aight it's done

[untold wigeon]

W, ansi layout looks so much better than iso

[whole creek]

REAL

[untold wigeon]

get mine next week or the week after that

[whole creek]

ooh exciting

[untold wigeon]

yeah

imma sell my iso version if someone needs

for cheap

[whole creek]

show pics

😳

[untold wigeon]

of?

[whole creek]

of ur iso

[whole creek]

how much would you sell for

[untold wigeon]

its only the module bro

85usd since it has 1 broken LED on the Enter key other then that its flawless

[whole creek]

ah hmm alr

[untold wigeon]

5-15$ fix if u can be bothered which i cant

[idle pier]

thats so worth it wtf

[median spade]

Free since it uses ISO

No one should suffer that fate

[idle pier]

i mean most people here are american but i returned my ansi board for iso cause left shift is annoying af

[stiff ivy]

How can a LED be broken????

[untold wigeon]

i put the enter switch in the wrong way

[untold wigeon]

yuh, if u know someone that needs tell him about it

[untold wigeon]

its an easy fix if u know how to solder and just buy the replacement led for 5$

or u could drop it off to a shop that solders

[idle pier]

omg bro ahhaah

thats an iso rip

[idle pier]

i sure will, where do you live

[untold wigeon]

yup

didnt read instructions lol

swe

[idle pier]

europe, nice

[untold wigeon]

yessir

[idle pier]

speedrun broken%

[untold wigeon]

🤣

[solemn lynx]

do you guys think a cars band-aid would work for the holee mod 🔥 (its the only band-aid i have and no im not under 13)

[median spade]

You sure you’re not under 13

That’s what a under 13 would say

[harsh dove]

He said he’s not under 13
So maybe he’s right at the line and he’s 13

He’s not under or over, he just is

[agile grove]

no

[solemn lynx]

well, im 15

[solemn lynx]

good to know 🔥

[harsh dove]

lol fair

[harsh dove]

Is it just like a normal bandaid?

[solemn lynx]

i mean function wise yes but material wise not really

[agile grove]

im assuming its plastic

[harsh dove]

Well if it’s similar to bandaids they use for the mod then I don’t see why it wouldn’t work but if not I’d try getting normal bandaids

[harsh dove]

Ah okay

[solemn lynx]

it looks like plastic so yes

also feels like it

[true patrol]

Almost not recognizable any more lol

frog mini, raptors, pkaps rgbenglish

[crimson sky]

the 6.25u bottom row is almost a dead giveaway nowadays

[harsh dove]

And the Fn key

[untold wigeon]

whats the avg user age here

im 22

[sonic hull]

alright so the burgermount thing is clear to me, 60he+ module comes with rubber(or whatever) flat rings to stick on something. Am I supposed to stick them on the pcb?

If so, as a replacement to the burgermount, wouldn't I need 12 rings, not 10?

[slim drift]

sound test pls pls pls

[stray tiger]

I have underwear older than you

[untold wigeon]

nice

let me guess

36?

[stray tiger]

You think you get the name Thockfather in your 30's?

[untold wigeon]

damn 50’s?

😂

[true patrol]

soon, plate right now is prototype, waiting on real one since it's kinda mid right now

[untold wigeon]

u did plate urself?

[true patrol]

it's pla at the moment, 3d print. getting a couple made in other mats

steel first, and probably polycarb second and then others. gonna probably offload some at keycon

[harsh dove]

He’s not the thockfather for nothin

[untold wigeon]

lit

[stray tiger]

This photo should tell you

[untold wigeon]

damn

oh yeah def 50’s

[stray tiger]

Pretty close to it yes 🙂

[untold wigeon]

nice

[austere creek]

thockfather is born in the 50s confirmed

we wont say which century though

[stray tiger]

I feel that old sometimes haha

[harsh dove]

I have a coworker at my job , who I’ve convinced everyone that he is a vampire

Mainly because he just has so many stories and experiences that’s there’s no way he’s done it all in one lifetime

So we always say he’s like 3,000 years old

Also in his 50s

[austere creek]

thats why we keep you alive with some sweet sweet alien tech

[harsh dove]

lol

[wet hazel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfoonW1InE

That guy it's like a Guinea pig testing a lot of things to become younger

[median spade]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

I did 4 sound tests in mine

Pom plate

[harsh dove]

Trying to open .wav files on iPhone

https://tenor.com/view/fml-sylvester-cat-annoyed-head-bang-gif-13045781

[median spade]

indeed

you hit view and then listen

[harsh dove]

Gotta download that bullshit

[median spade]

just hit view

no download

[harsh dove]

Hmm

[untold wigeon]

i gotta download too

cba

[median spade]

hit view

[true patrol]

you hit the button in the corner that opens it in safari, then you hit view

[harsh dove]

Ah

[copper pulsar]

i’ve switched keycaps on this build like 10 times now

i h th ink i’m going to stick with these

[true patrol]

I think it varies depending on whether or not you have an app that it's trying to open the file in or not (for me it's teamviewer)
although i imagine if you have VLC installed it probably would let you open in that, which is likely better anyway

[true patrol]

oh yeah I imagine having links open directly in browser instead of the preview built in to discord makes it a lot faster

[median spade]

oh yeah forgot that even exists

[true patrol]

but I don't think discord does that by default

[median spade]

It does not

I just always set my apps to default browser as the fake one suks

[copper pulsar]

raptors sound so good

[harsh dove]

Jades best

[copper pulsar]

i might get rid of my jades for raptors

[copper pulsar]

i prefer the sound of the raptors to be honest

[harsh dove]

Sound just like Lekkers to me

[copper pulsar]

given i haven’t lubed my jades yet

[harsh dove]

Too chattery

[median spade]

I would re put my stuff in frog

but i need tos ell it as don't like the silver

[harsh dove]

I like stem swapped raptors

[copper pulsar]

it has a way more defined pitch, lekkers have sort of an empty sound

[harsh dove]

If you can avoid the friction

[median spade]

stem swapped raptors and then my lubed jades are best for me

[harsh dove]

Jades are the only ones that sound close to custom board

Aka Mx

[copper pulsar]

i’m gonna order a set of raptors

they’re not that expensive

[median spade]

jades aren't either depending on where you get them

raptors good too tho i enjoy them

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’m gonna make some Raptor Hybrids when I get home today

Try em in the tofu

[copper pulsar]

divinikey has raptors for 8.64 per set of 18

so it’s like 35 for 72

[harsh dove]

Also need to try PC Plate in the tofu

Only have used the carbon fiber so far

[slim drift]

goated

[median spade]

that was just pom plate and no foam btw

as was trying to see just how the switches sounded

lekkers and raptors were hand lubed

[harsh dove]

Yeah I have multiple plates on the way so I’m looking forward to testing them out

[median spade]

so far my favorite plate, alumnium, sucks with he

tried it on tofu/stock case and then frog

really exposes the bad sounds of HE switches imo

[wide kraken]

oh yeah, volume-wise did you find the KS-20U quieter than Jades?
they definitely sound like mahjong tiles as advertised, but more like when they're being sorted rather than played, it's loud as heck in my 60HE+ 😂

[stray tiger]

I though that too so I ordered a POM plate for my Sirius60 HE build and it came yesterday. However, another HE board I have with an aluminum plate sounds pretty good.

[median spade]

which board is that

[harsh dove]

Guess I’ll have to find out for myself when I get mine

[median spade]

I was a little disappointed when it sounded so bad in frog

[harsh dove]

I’ll have to prove you wrong

And make it sound good

[harsh dove]

KS20u is deeper than Jades

[wide kraken]

ye, but are they also quieter or about the same? since they still have the hole at the bottom like the lekkers

[harsh dove]

They sound similar to lekkers but I’d say they’re deeper than those too

Idk about quieter

Quietest I’ve heard so far is Raptor Hybrids

[wide kraken]

gotcha

[median spade]

This my current setup and what I've been happy with

[harsh dove]

What plate

[median spade]

pom

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’m thinking that or Alu will be my fave

We shall see

[median spade]

I BELIEVE

if i wasn't lazy/had the actual flu rn

i would try steel just to see again

[harsh dove]

Oof

[median spade]

yeah been fun

espeically since moved during the process to

finished moving, and then next day was hit with full brunt of flu

[polar girder]

Finally

Time to rebuild that bish

Swap out the module and put in the black PC plate

My computer is fk’d so it gives me something to do lol

[wet hazel]

Jades are much louder than Lekkers imo

[copper pulsar]

yea, but jades have a deeper less empty sound.

i feel like lekkers just sound like they’re…. missing something..

[wet hazel]

The closed bottom

[copper pulsar]

yea

[wide kraken]

typing on the jades feels so much better, but the sound kinda be like
https://youtu.be/F96vPivXFH8?t=11

also not sure if it's just the alumaze that sounds different, 'cause most of the jade sound samples i've seen are in tofus or other cases?

[harsh dove]

https://youtu.be/CorB0q9QImw?si=k9C1C1Jlw8entTL6

My friend said my tofu build sounds like this

Just different mics/environment ofc

For reference

[quiet bay]

if it was louder then it would sound like it xd

[harsh dove]

I would say this video sounds louder

Yeah lol

Cause of the room he’s in you can hear the echo

And the counter top he’s on

Creates that as well

[quiet bay]

His leans more for creamy
yours leans more towards a thocky cream

[harsh dove]

Yeah he is kinda clackyish

But I think that might just be the environment he’s in

[harsh dove]

Nah I take this back idk what to call it

lol

I think it’s just the room he’s in

[wide kraken]

and different kinds of mics probably

[harsh dove]

My video makes it sound a lot deeper

Yeah that’s what I said at first

Mics/environment

[wide kraken]

oop, reading comprehension 😅

[harsh dove]

lol I do it all the time don’t worry

[wide kraken]

reaally happy with how the jades turned out on the 2HE though. think once the rest of them come in i'm done working on this board
(ignore the scuffed af angle lol, is external mic anyways)

never thought a board with this kind of construction could sound this nice

aaand embed fail

there we go

[harsh dove]

Very nice

Are those SA profile?

[wide kraken]

MT3, but it's very similar

[harsh dove]

That was my 2nd guess lol

[wide kraken]

used to get some pain in my ring finger from gaming on cylindrical profiles and it's surprising how much spherical changed that for me

i guess it supports the fingertips differently so

[polar girder]

Nice

Yeah sounds great

[harsh dove]

Ah he’s using an Alu plate , mines Carbon Fiber

I bet with my Alu plate it’d be even closer

@median spade see Alu can sound good

Just not in your frog

Well then again you’re referring to HE and Alu, he’s not using HE

[kind helm]

I also used gummy oring mount and gateron jades switches. in terms of sound i personally think jades is way way way better than lekker. the layer of cotton i used is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C29YFS4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 i split a few pieces in half and just lay it down the bottom of the case

i got the oring here https://ringerkeys.com/collections/modders-tools/products/replacement-o-rings found this from a youtube video

[stray tiger]

Alum can sound great, I think he saying it didnt sound great with the HE switches.

[harsh dove]

Yeah I got that lol that’s my bad

Just alu paired with HE didn’t sound good to him

Now I have a new mission

But which board did you say sounded good with Alu and HE?

You said you had one

[median spade]

Yeee alu plate is what I use in all my Mx stuff haha

Just was meaning for HE

[polar girder]

Alu on Alu on Alu

[idle pier]

wtf this sounds amazing, is that a wooting?

[harsh dove]

Yeah got ya, misread my bad

[harsh dove]

Yeah it is

https://www.amazon.com/GOKA-absorption-soundproofing-memory-foam-Mechanical/dp/B08CVK9H1N

[pastel vigil]

I always get it mixed up, the prebuilt wooting comes with 60 lekkers right? Not 45s?

[harsh dove]

Has anyone tried this stuff?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[wet hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lp_kJNGPyI

he used GOKA case foam

[naive hill]

are lubing jades the same process as the lekkers?

[harsh dove]

Yeah this guy is too

Interesting

Might try some

[idle pier]

do you have a list of the mods you did somewhere?

[wide kraken]

memory foam doesn't strike me as particularly noise dampening if it's that thin but would be interested to see any comparison

[wide kraken]

pretty much, the rails and the 4 corner nubs on the stem are the main contact points like the lekker. optionally a bit of lube on the bottom of the magnet if you want to dampen the bottom out clack slightly

[pastel vigil]

I know it's hard to tell from pictures, but what are the chances the yellow/gold in this matches the Aluminium wooting case's strip on the left?

[quiet bay]

looks like copper ngl

hmm

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[pastel vigil]

Am debating the pre-order for either this or the GMK Pharaoh

[gaunt marten]

Probably wont

[quiet bay]

it might fit

mehh

idk if the accents would match the brass bar

[harsh dove]

It’s 10mm so kinda thick tbh

[wide kraken]

oh wha

[harsh dove]

Compared to the 4mm poron foam

[idle pier]

(sorry maybe you listed them here but I'm not mega active)

[harsh dove]

You’re referring to my tofu build I assume

The white case?

[idle pier]

yes the soundtest of 2mins you sent

[pastel vigil]

I think you are right.

[quiet bay]

well maybe you can spray paint the brass bar to copper xD

the set does look nice

[pastel vigil]

I think I might go with this instead.

[pastel vigil]

It really does, I love it.

I understand why people buy multiple sets lmao

[wide kraken]

for the gamer who is also an ancient egyptian scholar

that looks sick

[pastel vigil]

Inputing codes in helldivers 2 be like

[quiet bay]

damn where are you finding these sets lol

they look nice

[harsh dove]

Cam’s Tofu Redux x Jades Mod List:

Tofu Redux x Brass Weight
Jades Hand Lubed
Carbon Fiber Plate
TX AP Screw Ins Lubed and Tuned
Gummy O-Ring/Friction Mount with Graveshift S-size 40A
Tofu Case Foam
Tofu Switch Pad
4mm Poron PCB Foam
1 Layer Moleskin Tape (Tape Mod)
Museum Putty in Spacebar
I think that’s it

[pastel vigil]

ngl just straight up browsing the keycap inventory of every single vendor on Alex's list

[idle pier]

thats gonna be so helpful, thank you so much

carbon fiber plate? does that make that big of a difference?

yeah you should pin this lmao

[harsh dove]

There now it’s easier to search

[quiet bay]

fair enough

[quiet bay]

I would buy these but they're so expensive 🗿

[pastel vigil]

I try not to think about the price. My wallet hates me.

[deft arch]

have we gotten an expected date for heavier springs yet?

[untold wigeon]

thanks brother

[quiet bay]

spring pack should be coming this month

with a variety of springs with different forces

[deft arch]

[harsh dove]

I like it personally , if you like clack it’s good

Although I think I’ve managed to make it kinda not clack with this build lol

I like it nonetheless

[harsh dove]

They changed it

[quiet bay]

they didd.?!?!?

[harsh dove]

It’s going to be separate spring packs now

Instead of variety

[quiet bay]

oh 😔

[idle pier]

oh fair, yeah i prefer thoccc

but your build sounds amazing, nice and thocky

[harsh dove]

PC or POM plate then

Yeah idk how I managed that

lol

[quiet bay]

ok so CAM said they're going to be separate spring packs now instead of variety, but there will still be heavier springs

[pastel vigil]

Do you have a link to that video? I remember seeing a video saying o rings weren't compatible because of the stabs or something

[idle pier]

i have pc plate, I essentially bought module, threw it in alumaze with jades and cheap af keycaps that i'm gonna change soon for ali ones (kinda hard to find azerty)

[pastel vigil]

L100 ..... aint nothing but a peanut.

[quiet bay]

l35s is crazy

that's so light o.o

[harsh dove]

lol you just type by blowing on your keeb

[idle pier]

a mod i kinda wanna do is put heavier springs in the jade when wooting will release them

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvLyb2HhrU

[idle pier]

cause i just find the 30g actuation a bit light

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-blow-air-gif-13901044

[pastel vigil]

I'm doing that immediately, they are awefully light.

Might go 70 or 80, the stock 60s were light too.

[crimson crown]

wait theyre making even heavier switches?

[harsh dove]

For reference Jades sit between L45s and L60s at 50g

[deft arch]

gonna assume 100 is gonna be best for a cerakey space bar lol

[quiet bay]

ye

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[quiet bay]

you dont need it that heavy xd

[idle pier]

yeah, i'll probably go for 70 but idk

[quiet bay]

L70 should be sufficient

[harsh dove]

L60 spring works on cerakey spacebar I believe

[idle pier]

i also kinda want to get used to this

[quiet bay]

yeah just barely

[harsh dove]

Thought so

[crimson crown]

would be cool if they sold a switch testing pack with a lekker of every weight to let people figure out what weight they want their switch to be

[harsh dove]

Well it was going to be a variety pack

But that changed

[crimson crown]

i wouldnt mind something like a L70 though tbh

i like how heavy the 60 is but it feels like it could use a tad more force to push

[harsh dove]

Yeah I prefer lighter springs for fatigue reasons

So the jades are just about good for me

Could probably use lighter tbh

[wide kraken]

what's the force on the jades anyways? gateron says starting 30g, but it's usually the bottom out force that's listed on other switches, right?

[harsh dove]

50g

[harsh dove]

In other words, 5g heavier than L45s on the bottom out

[pastel vigil]

What size o-rings do I need if I wanna put them on the stabs or keycaps?

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07MNJX3ZB/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A30WUG2ZDGM0XM&psc=1

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0761TSWF3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A3LUTNB5XMZLIW&th=1

I saw people recommend both of these but they are differently sized so unsure.

[wide kraken]

1mm ID is pretty small, the first one would be more for burger o-ring mount than keys or stabs

(and for a burger mount with o-rings of that thickness you'll also need longer screws)

second one is good for keycap stems but i think too big for stabs (in terms of adapting them for long pole)

[gaunt marten]

Yooo i finally found silicone o ring on taobao for cheap

Taobao my goat

Now question is what hardness do i want hmm

[pastel vigil]

Any recommendations for orings to adapt for long pole?

[lime bay]

I don't know what you are doing with your keyboards and why you need such heavy springs, i bought these 28g springs from Ali and they are fantastic. I have them on my L45 on my Two HE and on my Jades on my 60HE+ and these are so soft and smooth now, it really a joy to type on them.

[wide kraken]

i don't have any on hand that would match, so maybe someone else can answer exactly, but probably something along the lines of 2mm ID 4mm OD or 3mm ID 5mm OD?

[wide kraken]

as with almost everything in this hobby, preferences ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt marten]

@harsh dove do u have a tofu60 redux? how does 30a vs 40 vs 55a

[harsh dove]

Basically all the same, just changes how stiff it fits inside the case

[gaunt marten]

Yeah i remember u said one was loose

Idrmb which

[harsh dove]

30a can be kinda loose

[gaunt marten]

[harsh dove]

Depends on case tho

[gaunt marten]

Maybe i get 35 & 55

[harsh dove]

It’s really only if you do the upside down test like your keyboard came outta Dairy Queen

https://tenor.com/view/dairy-queen-flip-worker-car-gif-25112378

[wide kraken]

it's slightly maddening that none of the gummy o-ring sellers for keyboards ever list the dimensions of the o-ring

graveshift be like "check the compatiblity list, if it doesn't fit it's not our fault"
single obscure board listed, no dimensions provided

[gaunt marten]

All ik is 170 Outer Diameter, 3.5 Thickness works for clip ins / platemount

[pastel vigil]

lmfao

[pastel vigil]

https://graveshift.com/products/graveshift-s-o-rings?variant=40304677388494 This is what you want

or mechland if you are canadian

[wide kraken]

ye, got the 40a of that one

also wanted one for a 75% build, but lol

[gaunt marten]

Lmao, ig ill get 35 & 55a, as i dont want my keeb to be a dairy queen

I do wish we know the measurements for graveshift s so theres an alternative

[static tendon]

Just saw this. Are these going to be switches or are these just springs that wooting plans to release?

[pastel vigil]

Just springs.

But it has me curious, is the only differnce between the 45 and 60 switches is the springs?

[static tendon]

Oh cool! I wish they had in between for L45s and L60s like L50s that would be the sweet spot for me

[pastel vigil]

ofc wooting could surprise us and drop a new switch with the 80he.

[pastel vigil]

The Magnetic Jades are kind of in the middle. But they bottom out at 3.5 not 4.

[static tendon]

I really doubt it since wooting is pretty transparent with their plans and it hasn’t been mentioned yet. At least not to my knowledge

If I were to guess I’d think something like that could release down the line

[harsh dove]

If I had to guess, the Lekker V2 will release after

[static tendon]

I’d agree

[harsh dove]

Don’t think they line up production wise but idk anything

[pastel vigil]

Yeah that's what I mean, it could happen in the future.

I just checked and the raptors are 42/52 and they also bottom out at 4m like the lekkers so maybe check em out.

no wait am an idiot nvm

[gaunt marten]

Same maybe q3/q4

[static tendon]

Gotcha. I’m overall satisfied with the Lekkar switches, including the weight but if it was just a spring pack, I’d consider picking them up

I also wish the Lekkar switches had less stem wobble. Very noticeable compared to my other Mx style switches

[pastel vigil]

The stem wobble is another reason I use the Magnetic Jades. Due to the lekker design, I didn't wanna use switch films.

But I do think the jades are soft, so I am eagerly awaiting the springs so I can get some heavier ones.

[static tendon]

Yeah stem wobble is annoying to have but what spring weight were you aiming for?

[gaunt marten]

Cant wait to lube my jades

[pastel vigil]

I can. I hate it lmao. But it will be done someday.

[static tendon]

You like lubing switches? Respect, my first time took forever 😂

[gaunt marten]

I like the pain and suffering aspects

[wide kraken]

tbh i just put a video or podcast on
it's kinda meditative

[pastel vigil]

In theory I guess I could use the lekker 60 swprings in the jade, but I thought the 60s were soft too. Probably get 70s and 80s and see what I like best. I don't think am insane enough to get the 90 and 100

[static tendon]

I don’t think I’d ever lube my switches again tbh, unless I’m really chasing some specific sound but from my experience it didn’t change it all too much. Especially since these Lekkars come pre lubed. Satisfied with it so far

For stabs though, I’d 100% take the time to lube stabs. The rattle can be bad on some keyboards

[kind helm]

yo let us know how that goes, i think thats interesting since you don't need to press HE switch all the way down to activate it

[static tendon]

Geez, I can understand L70 springs but anything over seems super heavy. It’s all preference ofc but I wouldn’t want it at a increased spring weight 🤷‍♂️

I’d try out L35s though. I like the lighter springs

[pastel vigil]

ngl I feel like a lot of people just have the throw everything but the kitchen sink approach to modding

[gaunt marten]

After using 45 for like 1 week i cant type on 60 springs anymore

Shit feels heavy

[static tendon]

I went back to Mx silvers to test out and they felt heavy to me. It’s funny actually

I’ve adjusted quite a bit to the L45s

[gaunt marten]

Yeah ☠️

I was like this shit is heavy

[wet hazel]

I need to test those, I have the 28g springs since few days ago

[pastel vigil]

I just type very aggressively and need the resistance to have good feel for where I am at. Which is funny because I type so soft on a laptop. Maybe its the difference in angle and profile.

[kind helm]

personally i think its more noticeable with the og stuff like geteron milky yellow, but the newer stuff some of them there is not much difference

[gaunt marten]

Im guessing u got them from rakka

[kind helm]

i never lubed my oil king :3

[gaunt marten]

As only rakka sells em rn

[wet hazel]

Ali, 9 euros for the pack of 70 springs

[static tendon]

Oh yeah for sure, I lubed mx silvers in the past, they weren’t factory lubed

[gaunt marten]

Probably since ali is just a reseller of taobao

[wet hazel]

I think so

[gaunt marten]

Gateron lube is a hit or miss depends on ur luck honestly

[static tendon]

For typing I can understand higher springs but I’m a strong 50/50 between typing and playing in game. Lighter springs are nice for games

[harsh dove]

Most likely sooner I’d imagine

[gaunt marten]

Since keeb is shipping q2/q3 i just expect q3 honestly

[pastel vigil]

My preference is the same for games. I like to "hover" over keys a lot and don't want to misclick if the keys are too soft. I wouuuuld do softer springs for WASD and some other common keys but then it would drive me insane when I would type.

[gaunt marten]

Unless they sell keeb with lekkers v2

[pastel vigil]

Welp, guess I need to get a second wooting. My hand is forced.

[polar girder]

📠

[static tendon]

When initially adjusting to my L45s I had a bad habit of unintentionally clicking keys since my actuation is 0.3 and the springs were very light. But I did some minor adjustments to specific keys and got used to it all. I don’t have that issue anymore

But I would randomly jump in game and it would throw me off

[kind helm]

when you hover isn't that easier to cause f44ked up due to the rapid trigger?

[pastel vigil]

I'm not interested in the 80 at all, but if I was would have loved if it was coming with lekker 2s installed.

[pastel vigil]

It doesn't happen all that often. I'd rather just use heavier springs than fine tuning all the keys, I like all they keys having the same response because I play a lot of game/genres and it would drive me insane setting different reponsiveness settings for them.

[kind helm]

i am using the csgo profile wooting shows on their youtube video, buti map everything the same response as the wasd keys. then sometimes when i play val i accidentally spam ctrl 😦

[gaunt marten]

0.1 is fine for me ngl

Haven't misinput

[pastel vigil]

Just takes time to get used to a new kb

I used mine prebuilt for like a week before I added magnetic jades and that's the only change I've done. Just doing one change at a time and taking my time to test and get used to it so I can form better opinions.

[kind helm]

i think honestly i shouldve tweaked my settings a bit. when i was using the l45 i had times when i type and enter space twice.

think the spring is too weak mid way and sac a bit LOL

[gaunt marten]

Spacebar i do 3.0

[kind helm]

i have been using l45 for 3 months, i dont misclick anymore in terms of typing letters, but space bar and ctrl settings were probably too sensitive. i haven't had issue with jade, probably because the shorter travel combine with the spring force.

[gaunt marten]

Wasd 0.1

[kind helm]

and me being lazy to tweak the settings

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah how does DKS works on jades

Since they're 3.5 LOL

[kind helm]

i never use that actually, i got a controller if i am playing racing game :3

[gaunt marten]

Im guessing they work at 3.5 instead of 3.6

[kind helm]

i think they just made that part longer so the magnet doesn't actually go all the way down.

but don't quote me on that i am dk, i never actually open one up and compare with l45 or l60

because the actuation and the rapid trigger feels the same to me after i switched to jade

[wide kraken]

the reduced travel is mostly from the closed bottom as far as i can tell

[wide kraken]

and yeah the DKS 3.5mm point still triggers just before bottom-out

the board calibrates when it boots, so

[static tendon]

0.1 has been a bit jumpy for me. 0.3 has been my sweet spot so far so I can very gently rest my hands on the keycaps without activating it each time

[static tendon]

Dang that’s actually quite low of an actuation point. I do 0.8 on my spacebar but 2.0 on my Ctrl key since it’s not a key I need immediate action on during a game

[maiden mango]

my space bar key cap doesn’t work properly w jades so i had to go back to l60s for it

prolly has something to do w the stabilizers tbh

like my keycap would feel stiff and even stuck at the bottom at the some times

didn’t happen w the stock wooing keycaps tho

nonetheless it’s only one key so idrc

[kind helm]

when i put the keycap on i always press down evenly on both ends and i never had this issue, i only heard about it in this dc tbh. i am using jades with the stock 60he stab(surprising good btw. <3)

[median spade]

It’s whatever keycaps you’re using

[maiden mango]

it happened to me for the same keycaps for razer opticals

[elfin garnet]

Any stabs u guys prefer/recommend over the original module stabs? Using jades

[tawdry tree]

The latest firmware adjusts a switch’s total travel distance dynamically. When the board powers up, it’ll treat all switches as 3.5mm total travel switches until a switch goes beyond 3.5mm. Although the full range of 20T/Jade switches is 0.0mm - 3.5mm you can still set their actuation to 4mm in Wootility because Wootility’s slider is like a % slider where “0.15mm” is 1% and “4.0mm” 100%.

[gaunt marten]

Neat

So 3.6 for dks is actually 90% of whatever the switch total travel is

[tawdry tree]

All Gateron’s KS-20 series switches share stem and top housing molds, except the KS-20U switches. Technically Jades aren’t long pole switches as it isn’t their stem that cause the shorter travel, it’s their bottom housing. 😉

[tawdry tree]

Yes, with the latest firmware that is.

[tawdry tree]

Entirely, yes.

[gaunt marten]

Im on beta anyways cuz my board had input issue with tachyon, beta fixed it

[kind helm]

yea i just switched to the new firmware after i read that faq. i am suprised how updated it is. people can actually just use that faq to mod the board for the most part.

[tawdry tree]

None. Some can be worth switching to but aren’t guaranteed to work with Wooting’s switch plate. I’d recommend keeping the stock stabilizers and if you dislike their sound or feel you can try tuning them. 👍

[tawdry tree]

Yeah!

[kind helm]

i would guess it is safe to change the wire and the stem, but the bottom part of the stab works pretty good to begin with, no reason to mess with that

[pastel vigil]

This is random, but why does this spacebar kit have a B and arrow keys?

most of the ones I have seen just have all the different sized spacebars

[wide kraken]

probably for alice layout

it's a split ergo layout that has two B's

[gaunt marten]

B is for alice

Arrow keys probs diff accents

[tawdry tree]

The stabilizers? If so; although you can, it’s not common to mix and match different stabilizer wires, stems and housings as there’s no guarantee they’re compatible with each other nor is there a real benefit. Switching out the stabilizers with others that have a different sound profile or perform better is common though. 👍

[stone arch]

which switches are most of you using? are the gateron jades the best sounding right now?

[wide kraken]

if you like clack, consider Jades
there's also KS-20Us or Raptors, and a rundown in#🪛│modding_faq

[tawdry tree]

Best sounding is as subjective as can be so I can’t comment on that. I personally use Jades and stem swapped Raptors.

[stone arch]

@wide kraken what if you like thocc lol

[wide kraken]

the latter two probably

i'm still waiting for my KS-20Us to come in, since the Jades clacked too loud in my 60HE (though I like them in my 2HE)

[stone arch]

there is also gateron orange but i cant find much about them..

[wide kraken]

there's a few older KS-20 variants (white/orange/i think one other) but haven't seen many people use them here

at least lately

[stone arch]

@wide kraken do u atleast like ur jades more then the lekkers as a starting point

[tawdry tree]

A KS-20 recolor, just like the Lekkers.

[stone arch]

so whats the diff bewtween ks-20 and ks-20U?

[tawdry tree]

20U is the new dual rail design.

[stone arch]

is that to reduce the stem play

[wide kraken]

ye, very little rattle in comparison, cleaner sound
only gripe is as mentioned a bit loud

'cause they have a closed bottom compared to the lekkers

[stone arch]

only tthanks, def wont be getting lekkers then, dont see a point in it if almost anything else is better option

[tawdry tree]

You can get a set (70pcs) of KS-20s for $35-40 whereas 20Ts are $50-60 and 20Us $70-80.

[stone arch]

not to worried about price, just worried to get them and not like the sound and then have to get new ones right away D:

[kind helm]

changing the stem or wire worked from my experience but i only tested like 5 or 6 keyboards. i sometime keep the good wire i have extra and replace the which ever stock ones that are not good :3

[wide kraken]

fwiw gateron support mentioned that the KS-20Us will be in stock "soon™️" on their own store, so the price on those might come down from what mechkeys sells them for

but who knows when that could be 😅

[tawdry tree]

You can always buy a few to try or sell them if you don’t end up liking them.

[stone arch]

true, guess ill start with jades 🙂 20Us sound promising with less wobble but i dont wanna be waiting for them to be in stock

thanks for help

[tawdry tree]

Gateron support are certified yappers. In January they said “Later this month” and in February they said “At the end of this month” about the 20Us when I asked.

[pastel vigil]

Average customer service moment

[wide kraken]

the classic

[pale cloud]

Anyone can give me some recommendation for affordable mods I can do with my 60he+

I like my keyboard to sound creamy

[gaunt marten]

They're cheaper compared to jades officially on taobao

Jades are 385 RMB, Peaches are 350 RMB for 70 pieces

[shell crown]

I would say jade switches but they are very much different

[pale cloud]

i dont see it on taobao

what is it called in chinese lol

[river shore]

anyone got any good recommendations for blank black keycaps? looking to stealth out the wooting

[gaunt marten]

https://m.tb.cn/h.5v7AHxRtGb3shBu

[gaunt marten]

https://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/Ducky-Blank-Black-Keycap

[wispy thistle]

you did tape mod too right?

[vague socket]

doesn't screw ins not work with gummy oring mount

[gaunt marten]

work with graveshift s gummy o ring

shipping mad expensive, 20$

[vague socket]

Ahh icic

[gaunt marten]

hows da wootang

[vague socket]

its pretty good

im still waiting for my tofu redux to arrive tho

im using caseless as of rn

[gaunt marten]

im waiting for jades

46 of em will arrive today the rest tmrw probs

[vague socket]

how many did u get

[gaunt marten]

63

[vague socket]

61

just enough

also since the jades are 3.5mm

does that mean u can't use the full 4mm

[pale cloud]

50 rmb for how many, isaw the default package is 50

is it per 10 or

[gaunt marten]

Per 10

The 70 is 350 rmb

[pale cloud]

ah ok tysm

[gaunt marten]

The slider is based on %

At least on latest firmware

But yes it bottoms out at 3.5

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[vague socket]

So u can still use 4mm even with jades?

[gaunt marten]

U can use the slider yes

But it aint gonna be 4mm

[vague socket]

Damn that's nice

[pale cloud]

@gaunt marten does jade sound rly gd? i heard so much about it

[gaunt marten]

They're the best sounding he switch rn because they're the only closed ones

[untold wigeon]

meh, personal preference

[harsh dove]

Yes, fixed it, thank you

1 Layer Moleskin

[untold wigeon]

what is tofu switch plate cam

[vague socket]

the switch foam that comes with the carbon fiber plate

@untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

thanks jason

[vague socket]

npp

also does anyone know if tx ap plate mounted stabs are good?

or are the tx ap clip ins better

[pale cloud]

whats the actuation weight

[gaunt marten]

Initial Force is 30±7gf, Bottoms out at 50g

[shell crown]

that cf plate has cutouts?

[maiden mango]

is there any fix ur aware of?

ima prolly trying using orings to see if it can help so theres less travel on the stabilizers

[shell crown]

Rotated spacebar?

[maiden mango]

yea that works but it feels like absolute shit lol

[shell crown]

I run that as default

[maiden mango]

i might just do that until i can find a fix tbh

its either that, or I have to use the stock wooting keycap:/

[shell crown]

I run that as default, just be aware of carpal

[maiden mango]

yea i play apex so im not used to it since i superglide a lot lol

[shell crown]

It helps my superglides lol

You do DKS for superglide or?

[maiden mango]

nah

[shell crown]

It helps me w pressing space

Cause my thumb rests well on it

[maiden mango]

i lowkey might try it out again bc i cant superglide consistently anymore

[shell crown]

I don't like DKS tho I do have it

Never use it tho, its just there for others

[maiden mango]

whats ur actuation settings?

i cant figure out what to use for crouch and jump

i have jump like .2mm less than crouch

[gaunt marten]

i received my 47 jades

neat

[quaint notch]

https://youtu.be/gd1pizwRF_c?si=pJLu_86xu4b5Y25Y has anyone tried this mod

[pearl flume]

i have. it works well so far.

#archived_wooting_60he message

[untold wigeon]

how they sound?

[pearl flume]

i sent sound test in #archived_wooting_60he message

[untold wigeon]

sounds deep

[pearl flume]

thanks

i plan to add two more layers of painters tape and hand lube the switches w/ my gf but im happy with the sound rn

[potent wedge]

Does anyone have Gateron housing and L45 lekker stem ?

[languid shore]

Hi guys, kinda new to the keyboard world, sorry if this question is dumb. If the keycaps i purchased are “mx switch compatible” will they fit on the lekker switches of the wooting?

[shell crown]

I can send u once I get home in few hours, bus ride rn

[shell crown]

People have yes, its called frankenstein switches

[shell crown]

L45 or L60 is all the same stem, spring is different

[shell crown]

Cherry mx switch or MX switch compatible should work yes

[pale cloud]

Do I need to lube jades or is already pre lube and not necessary

[shell crown]

They should be factory lubed afaik but I myself always relube as I use different lube. It's mainly up to you

[languid shore]

Thank you, youre a G for answering everybody i appreciate it

[shell crown]

[pale cloud]

Tysm

[potent wedge]

The housing is jade magnetic and the stem is L45 lekker, has anyone tested it?

[pale cloud]

Relube as in u wipe off the initial lube? Then relube again or just lube it as per usual

[shell crown]

L60 or L45 stem is ALL the same, you cannot frankenswitch jades I think so. Will have to see with someone who has it

[shell crown]

Yes I wipe the initial lube as using 2 different lubes is not good

[pale cloud]

Just use normal tissue to wipe will do right

[shell crown]

Nope

[pale cloud]

Then how

[shell crown]

Wash them well

[pale cloud]

Wait what

😂

[shell crown]

And that's where lubing in another lube is generally not worth it

Lube is like oil

It will stay

[pale cloud]

Damn

How do u wash it

[shell crown]

I will sound crazy but I use gasoline to wash my ones

A bit

[pale cloud]

That’s crazy

[shell crown]

Cause it dissolves ot

and makes it very easy

Well crazy if you don't wash it in soap water later yes, if you do it's not

And I leave them outside for a day/two after that

[pale cloud]

Btw do u think it’s enough, I’m thinking of modding it with tape mod, o ring, tofu60 redux and jade switches

[shell crown]

Like disassembled

[pale cloud]

Anything else?

[shell crown]

Oring for stabs?

Tape mod is not worth it for me

[pale cloud]

Like the screws

[shell crown]

But try it, might be good for you

Yeah that should be good

[pale cloud]

Alright ty

Don’t think I’m experienced to wash it

So I probably use the pre lube

[shell crown]

Yep

Or lube them with what is already there, I don't have jades nor do I know so someone else might help you with that one

I just know I have 200ish switches to lube

[pale cloud]

I see

@gaunt marten avi has maybe I’ll ask him, if he is back

[languid shore]

does the wooting come stock with oem profile or cherry ?

[shell crown]

Cherry

OEM is not as tall

OEM is basically shorter cherry, which I use

[languid shore]

Oh i thought it was vice of versa, oem being taller

Okok cool

[shell crown]

Sorry

[languid shore]

I just got some oem profile thats why i was wondering

[shell crown]

OEM is taller yes

[languid shore]

Oh LMAO

[shell crown]

But by a bit

Sorry I woke up at 4am been in a bus since then

[languid shore]

Nah no worries

[shell crown]

OEM is taller, not by that much tho

And a bit different angle

[languid shore]

Okay sick

Yea they seem more flat than cherry

[shell crown]

Yeah

But are more angled

[languid shore]

another question sry, will the keycaps/keycap profile take away from the functionality of the switches?

[shell crown]

No, shouldn't

[languid shore]

Sweet, thank you so much

[potent wedge]

spring of l45 or jade magnetic which is better?

[empty sinew]

You can buy thingie to remove lube

MaxGaming has it

https://www.maxgaming.com/en/lube/de-loober-fluoro-solvent

@pliant mauve

[potent wedge]

Have you tried jade magnetic?

[shell crown]

Neither is better

[shell crown]

It works too yeah

[potent wedge]

are the same?

[gaunt marten]

dont mind the still image 🗿
Tofu60 Redux, Gateron Magnetic Jade Stock, TX AP Stab Tuned, 3 layers of tape, wooting plate foam & redux case foam

this is tray mounted, not even burger mount

ordered o rings from cn

gonna relube em later when all the switches arrive

the video doesnt do it justice

[pale cloud]

did u relube the jade switches?

[gaunt marten]

thats stock

not yet

[pale cloud]

oh shit

sounds gd

how u gonna relube tho

wash it

or just lube normally

[gaunt marten]

wash

[cyan adder]

Don’t wash

Just lube it over

I did that on mine

No big deal

Jades too

[pale cloud]

wait so u just lube normally

with 205 right

@cyan adder

[cyan adder]

Krytox 205g0 yeah

When u will open it

You will notice stems are already very good lubed

Maybe a bit too much

So I use a brush to spread the lube evenly between each part

Be careful to not overlube

I did the spring with 105g0 oil too

A little improvement on smoothness and no more ping

I found it already really good at stock

[gaunt marten]

@normal schooner

[pale cloud]

Do I still need to lube the springs too?

With 105

[gaunt marten]

it aint hard honestly