🔧│keyboard_modding

[agile grove]

the spacebar wire* didnt even fit into one of the housings

[harsh dove]

Well you have to snap it into place, it doesn’t just fit into the housing

[devout torrent]

guys

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806359105952.html?spm=5261.26827145.table.1.6ab478a7OzFRe8&gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt

[harsh dove]

Kinda have to push it in there

[devout torrent]

knock off straps

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[agile grove]

yeah I know, but I put a good amount of force and it wouldnt go in. I switched the housing and instantly it went in without much hassle.

[harsh dove]

Oh well then maybe that housing mold could be messed up I’m not sure

[agile grove]

I also noticed that after putting the stab into the plate, the entire spacebar area (the cutout for the LEDs) was all bent

[harsh dove]

Yeah mine wasn’t like that

[agile grove]

actually my delete key has some bending where the switch goes, but it works fine

[polar girder]

Yeah I think in general we keep having a situation where one person or a couple people have an issue and then everyone reports it as just always being the case

We have to be careful and chill on taking anecdotes to be absolutes

Like the whole jade/long pole thing. And now with the module stab situation

[agile grove]

yeah but the whole jade thing was the first few people who got them had issues and it spread like crazy after that

just like the jade issue, its good to know that people are experiencing these issues

[agile grove]

this is a little different than that, there obviously is an issue with TX AP stabs for a good chunk of people, and maybe even a wider issue with screw in stabs

[teal parcel]

I didn’t have a problem with my tx ap clip ins

[agile grove]

thats why this whole thing is sorta strange

its even weirder my spacebar specifically doesnt work

[junior meadow]

My module pc plate wouldn’t work with my screw in Staebies, I’m going to file my plate down later today. The plate tolerances are too tight for the stabs

[harsh dove]

Yeah staebies are on the thicker side so they’re know to have some compatibility issues with some plates unfortunately

[junior meadow]

Ahh. I’m new to the modding scene. I should have researched more but I couldn’t find much on module for obvious reasons

[harsh dove]

Yeah fair enough

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m pumped for this new o-ring to not have to fuck with stabs

Even tho I bought a bunch of grease lol

I’ve never messed with stabs before. Not sure if I want to start lol

[neon harbor]

was really messy for me at least

[median spade]

Good time to learn

stabs will start ticking and it's not a matter of if

So you'll have to adjust them and relube at one point

[stray tiger]

I tried telling @tawdry tree this last night in DM's. This issue isn't a wooting issue. The wooting plates work fine with 90% of the aftermarket stabs and 100% of the stock stabs. There are some companies who have attempted to improve stabilizer performance and some of them are pushing the tolerance boundaries. When you make a product that pushes that tolerance to the nth degree then you are going to run into problems if your product or the attaching product is off by an nth degree. These are keyboard plates not medical equipment. Scientifically exacting plate cut-outs, especially with plastic, isn't happening at this price point.

The LARGER issue is that someone/somewhere said you needed long pole stabs for Jade switches and that they used TX AP stabs. Then as the lemmings this community tends to be, everyone started buying them and based on the data I've collected so far, about 10-15% of people with TX AP screw-in or clip-in stabs have fitment issues to the point where the stabilizers don't work correctly and a higher percentage of people have fitment issues but the stabs still work fine.

Wooting doesnt manufacturer Jade switches, Gateron does. Gateron didnt work with or consult with Wooting before releasing them. Long pole stabs are not needed in MOST cases and if you want 100% compatibility, use Wooting/OEM products.

There will likely not be a plate made with larger tolerances to specifically support TX AP or Staebies stabilizers. If you would like a custom plate made for that purpose, the files are available.

I will attempt to be quicker at shutting down misinformation and it falls on me for not catching this sooner.

[lofty needle]

Weirdly I don't need long pole stabs for jades and it works perfectly fine

[stray tiger]

Neither do the majority of people

[lofty needle]

Like I tried pushing on the absolute ends of each side of the spacebar and it didn't pop off like in the faq

[stray tiger]

Yes, thats worst case scenario that is largely dependent on keycap manufacturer, profile, etc

[lofty needle]

PBTfans keycaps worked great lol

[bitter valve]

So for o-ring, I only need clip-in spacebar, correct? Surprisingly, that’s the only clip-in stab that works, rest are not releasing properly

[teal parcel]

What brand you have @bitter valve I used all tx ap clip in

[bitter valve]

Same

[lofty needle]

Yea i was worried when i got my jades and then was super relieved when i saw no issues

[stray tiger]

NOTE: There are reported inconsistencies with some stabilizer models (mainly Staebies and TX AP Screw-In / Clip-In). If you wish to use these particular stabilizer products, please be advised that they may not fit perfectly or in some cases not fit all.

[lofty needle]

I was like oh no the thockfather is worrying me

[stray tiger]

From the data I have for every person who said they do not fit, there are roughly 6-7 who have no issue. This isnt exact as typically those who dont have a problem, dont tell us.

[lofty needle]

They also sound wonderful

[bitter valve]

Hi-fi sound😂

[bitter valve]

Anyone has the answer for this one?

[stray tiger]

Id suggest backspace and spacebar

May not be required based on the thickness of your o-ring but I find it helps

[bitter valve]

Thank you. Will see if I can mix&match, maybe will get one more to work properly

[paper bloom]

also apparently the Kbdfans silicone stand off is not that bad

[junior meadow]

I read the previous post from you as well. Thank you for pinning this. I just don’t want someone or some kid saving to waste their money or time. I paid $30 for the stabs and I am capable of filing my plate or throwing them in another board. I just wanted it to be more known so someone who is min maxing their budget doesn’t get a headache and can know ahead of time. As I said yesterday, being the “first public” batch I expected to find out new information on compatibility I just didn’t expect to be the person to do the finding lol. Thanks to everyone who helped with their input and knowledge!

Honestly, the stock stabs are better than I expected them to be. So there is that too lmfao

[stray tiger]

The curse of being an early adopter. While it might work for the first 7 people and not work for you, that isnt enough data to draw a conclusion. We typically need to collect data for weeks/months before being able to determine if something is truly an issue and identify where the issue lies. Not just in discord but in helpdesk tickets, emails, etc

I try to refrain from knee-jerk reactions and making things worse.

[formal tapir]

What should I do to my keyboard with $50

[paper bloom]

new keycaps

[formal tapir]

I got new keycaps

Matrix crystal blue pudding keycaps

[junior meadow]

Well unless my plate is on the opposite spectrum of sizing. I don’t believe any larger stabs will work at all with the current plate. I understand the data portion. But I also understand that I have both in front of my eyes and it didn’t work

Do we need a thousand people to purchase the products and try over several months before we are able to make the claim, that the larger stab size is not compatible? Sounds like a waste of money to me.

[paper bloom]

no you dont need a thousand people to get data much you just need a couple of hundred but logging it in is different because of QC reasons (This is my take on the situation)

[stray tiger]

I do believe you are having an issue, but I also believe others are not with the same stabs. The questions is how many people and whats the exact issue? Thats still being figured out but it's not the majority according to current data.

[paper bloom]

@stray tiger have u tried the kbdfans silicone standoff's?

if i can ask

[stray tiger]

Never heard of them but I have tried the standoff covers and they work fine

[paper bloom]

i meant these ones https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-standoff-silicone-cover

[paper bloom]

o which stand off cover are u using

[stray tiger]

The ones you just linked

[paper bloom]

Oh

They any good tho

For sound profile

or wld burgermounting be better

in ur opinion

[stray tiger]

Its a more expensive solution to o-rings

[paper bloom]

Ah okay

[median spade]

I would add this has just been a plate mount issue for a while though from the years of keybaord stuff I've done imo. Plate moutn cutouts always been iffy on if they will work with PCB mount and so forth

[junior meadow]

If you find anyone or see anyone who has used Staebies on their board without sanding down their plate i would love for you to let me know. I very well may have done something wrong and would love to pick their brain.

[median spade]

Since you want to make them tight enough so plate holds them well, but then makes the cutouts so tight for pcb mount stuff

[sharp yew]

i'm covered in lube but my spacebar sounds marginally better now

[stray tiger]

Ive yet to hear from anyone who used Staebies without issue and if you search my post history in here I mention that they have always been my most problematic stab.

[sharp yew]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[stray tiger]

Youre supposed to lube the stabilizer, not yourself. You failed sucessfully

[junior meadow]

i have not searched your post history. But i understand what you are saying

[paper bloom]

That man did both

[sharp yew]

just kept dropping the housings on my lap is all

[junior meadow]

Make sure to wipe your face and eyes too

[stray tiger]

Its extra slippery now

[sharp yew]

you're right, I couldn't even leave my room

it was a slip n' slide in there

[paper bloom]

Mans not only set his house on fire by the time his done his lubed the whole neighborhood

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/chang-community-coconut-oil-not-just-for-cooking-rubbing-coconut-oil-gif-11897489

[dense token]

is there a way i could make the idobao id80 crystal type case for a wooting

[median spade]

If you contact the manufacturer, design it yourself, and then have them make it yes

@fluid ravine Have a new sound test for you as did a second build for my f1 last night

[uncut musk]

@polar girder lmk how that oring turns out if you try it

[static tendon]

Hello everyone. Getting an error with my module randomly. It’ll just start spamming random keys all of a sudden. Sometimes unplugging it and re-plugging it will fix it but it’ll return out of the blue. Any suggestions?

[median spade]

What cable are you using?

[stray tiger]

I would start by doing a process of elimination. Do you have any other software running that scans or affects your USB? If so, try uninstalling it. Also, what other USB devices are you using? Try removing them temporarily. If you are using an aftermarket cable, try reducing your RGB settings or swapping back to the stock cable.

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-good-explanation-good-description-clarification-well-reasoning-well-said-gif-14475657

[static tendon]

It’s by TezCables. Been using it for couple years on my previous ducky keyboard.

[static tendon]

I don’t have any software that would impact my USB ports. At this time I am using other usb ports but I do require them plugged in for what I do.

I can try testing it out to see if it helps remove the issue though 😁. I am also not using Tachyon mode but do have 100% brightness enabled. I’ll look into that part as well. I’ll tweak around with it a bit. Thanks for the help

[stray tiger]

Keep me posted, Ill be here most of the day

[static tendon]

Huge thing, I am using a USB switch, I think it has something to do with it. Never had an issue with my ducky keyboard in the last couple years but the module could be finicky with it

I’ll record it if it happens again. It’ll start right when I boot up the PC or randomly when I’m game 🤔

It’ll spam random keys

Once unplugged, it stops completely

[stray tiger]

The module (especially with 100% USB) is likely going to draw more power than your old keyboard. Is it a powered USB hub/switch?

[static tendon]

It is connected to usb switch yes

I use it to go between my pc and laptop

[harsh dove]

I’ve actually been having issues with my Lindy x LEMO cable and Tachyon Mode, when enabled none of my keys work except like 10% of the left side of the keyboard. And I’ve been using this cable with the regular wooting60he and tachyon mode with no issues. I haven’t messed with it too too much yet but I plan to test it with various other cables, 3 of which are wooting cables

[stray tiger]

Is the switch powered (powered by a plug and not by the USB port)

Damn I cant type today

[static tendon]

In this case the switch is directly plugged into the back of the motherboard on my pc. Not a extension hub

[stray tiger]

If you need a USB switch/hub/kvm I would highly recommend one that is externally powered. If removing the switch resolves your problem, thats the direction I would look at next.

[static tendon]

I’m using this usb switcher here: https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Computers-Peripherals-Indicators-USB-USS4/dp/B07RC8F2L3/ref=mp_s_a_1_22?crid=3RJQCSPX5D648&keywords=usb+switcher&qid=1707245224&sprefix=usb+seitche%2Caps%2C147&sr=8-22 for reference

[static tendon]

Hmm I wasn’t even aware that they can come externally powered

[median spade]

yeah the issue sounds likeyour usb switcher not supplying adequate power dlievery or the cable

I had to stop using my custom cable on wooting for same reason

[harsh dove]

Yeah if I can’t use tachyon mode anymore with this cable on the module, that’ll kinda suck

I don’t use any usb hubs either

I got gigachad motherboard with a million ports lol

[static tendon]

The cable I’m running is a straight cable that’s 5 foot long

[harsh dove]

https://keebstuff.com/products/lindy-x-lemo

I’m using this one

[static tendon]

I’m using this one https://www.tezcables.com/product/s-sereis-straight-painted-aviator-cable/

[harsh dove]

Yeah n mine worked with the old wooting60he and tachycardia mode

I typed that on purpose

[static tendon]

Gotcha gotcha, it’s a pretty short cable so I’d think it would work fine. BUT I have had some wonky stuff happen with tachyon mode enabled. Maybe this cable is just bad

Bummer

[stray tiger]

You can also try updating to the latest firmware as well. i know there have been some changes to a few things that arent in the official firmware yet.

[static tendon]

When it’s connected to my laptop it’s actually fine. But when using my pc, it goes crazy. Keep in mind when I switch between the 2, it does use the exact same cable plugged in from PC and laptop

[static tendon]

Yes, already have

[median spade]

have you turned off all rgb in tackyon mode?

[uncut musk]

yeah ive been having some strange stuff on the stock wooting cable with tachyon mode where like my a few of my keys dont work and i have to swap profiles and go back and then it will work, or unplug and plug back in

[harsh dove]

Yea

[harsh dove]

Yeah I have to unplug otherwise I can’t switch back

And on my other wooting, this same cable worked with tachyon and 100% brightness even tho I don’t use RGB

I was testing it

Just doesn’t work on the module

Like 90% of the keys stop working

[uncut musk]

its like super like random for me tho like 95% time its fine

[granite blaze]

i need a spacebar to match the color of the magenta g pro superlight 😪

[uncut musk]

hm

i feel like i havent seen many keycaps with that color

[static tendon]

Ok so far checking my motherboard manual, I was able locate the fastest usb port and plugged it there, this should hopefully solve my issue with the keys spasm’ing out

Issue has happened so far

[waxen bane]

is that why my fn key doesnt work on my val profile

[granite blaze]

i know i cant find any lmao

crying

[bronze grove]

Less to do with speed, and more about having it on a separate controller to other demanding USB devices (typically on the CPU's ports)

[uncut musk]

if you got the profile from someone else they might have the fn key like disabled

[static tendon]

Ok gotcha, I’ll keep this in mind

[harsh dove]

Been lazy and didn’t think of that , when I get home I’ll see which port my cable is plugged in, I might’ve switched it to a slower one who knows

Ie usb 2.0 vs 3.0

[uncut musk]

whenever im using wootility i always see the word "colour" and my brain is always like "Huh, oh yeahhhhh"

[harsh dove]

I doubt it’s the port but I’ll try it anyway

[agile grove]

those damn Europeans MURICA RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[uncut musk]

lol

IT ALWAYS GETS ME

gives a good chuckle

[static tendon]

So far I'm still not getting any weird issues anymore, maybe it was port (Not sure). But again it does randomly happen where the module will spam random keys. I'm just gonna have to see as some more time passes

When connected to the laptop, it's all good too

[harsh dove]

So far I’ve only gotten the tachyons mode to work once and then it stopped working shortly after

I’ll try other cables when I get home

The wooting cables

[uncut musk]

yeah ive only had it happen a couple times

[static tendon]

My Tachyon mode works but I have had some weird double clicking issues. I didn't want to but I ended up turning it off. I value consistency more in this case. I think it's mainly due to it also running through my USB Switcher. Lot's of variations of issues that can cause it I think

[harsh dove]

Yeah it’s just weird that it worked on this same cable with my previous wooting without issue

And doesn’t work on the module

[bitter valve]

Is there any guides/vidoes on sanding pc plate down for stab fittment?🌚

[agile grove]

no

[bitter valve]

Trial and error it is then

[stray tiger]

Or different stabs. Im not a fan of destructive mods

[bitter valve]

But the space bar sounds really good

[hard sapphire]

Can you do reverse spacebar with wooting

[sharp yew]

just corroborate with the mousegore community

surely they know about destructive mods

[median spade]

I have been able to use tachyon since the start no issues

[granite blaze]

i need a magenta space bar to match the g pro superlight 😭

[median spade]

but my usb port is going directly to CPU on both my builds at the time

[median spade]

https://typemachina.com/products/gmk-spacebars?variant=11185411333

closest you will probably get

https://www.amazon.com/DROP-Custom-Mechanical-Keyboard-Spacebar/dp/B096SWSR2S

or this

feel like you didn't even try so many magneta spacebars come up

[stray tiger]

yes

[granite blaze]

ive been looking for dye sub pbt, those are both abs thats why

[median spade]

oh you won't find magenta really in pbt

pbt is not good at making bright colors

you're pretty much giong to have to go with abs on this one

[granite blaze]

rip

[median spade]

dye sub especially

doubleshot pbt stuff can do it

[granite blaze]

that works too

[median spade]

but those are not as prevalent as it cost more to do

but yeah just google doubleshot pbt and try to find something

[granite blaze]

ty

[median spade]

or go easy route and abs spacebar

[granite blaze]

yeah thats my plan b

[median spade]

they're the best sounding spacebars

[gaunt linden]

Abs

[median spade]

that is what i was saying, indeed

GMK spacebars to be even more specific

[glad wraith]

Hey guys, I will recieve my Wooting 60HE in the next few days and I was wondering what plate sounds best when paired with the doubleshot pcb keycaps from the store and the plastic case. From what I know the steel one is not the best, this is why i bought the other options.

[median spade]

Preference

There is no best

[glad wraith]

is the difference noticeable?

[bitter valve]

What sound profile are you going for?

[harsh dove]

Just get the wooting pc plate and call it a day

Best plates imo are PC, POM, Alu

[glad wraith]

i like thocky or thumpy keyboards

[harsh dove]

Then get PC plate

Wooting sells a white variant as well as a black variant

[glad wraith]

I already ordered the pc plate

what else except putting this plate would you recommend?

will a tape mod help me achieve a thocky or thumpy sound profile

[harsh dove]

Yeah it can help a bit

[glad wraith]

great, thanks a lot guys, I'll probably be back with some beginner questions when my keyboard arrives. Have an amazing evening!

[harsh dove]

Just make sure your stabs sound like helicopters and you’re good to go mostly

[tawdry tree]

Nah, Wooting’s plate is too tight for TX stabs, you can force them through but for some it puts too much force on the stab housings which cause them to cave in and not function properly. I’ve seen the plate of 3 people with working stabs and it is bent too, not as much but it is bent nonetheless.

[halcyon sparrow]

@glad wraith my module was also my first custom kb, I noticed the stabs stock without lube sounded bad so I'd look into lubing them

https://youtu.be/vxHb6CJc9V8?si=9kBfMKj4cCErGyol this tutorial seems popular amongst the discord

[tawdry tree]

I think you misunderstood my response. I said that Wooting’s plate is tight and TX’s stabs are fat which fair to say (as I haven’t seen a TX stab that fits without bending the plate). I also said that it is very possible to have a plate compatible with a broader variety of stabs at the expensive of a bit looser plate mount stabs (tape could fix this ofc). I think with the popularity of TX stabs overall it’d be good to prioritize compatibility. That’s my opinion based on the info available at this time.

[tawdry tree]

Thank you man! 💯

[tawdry tree]

Makes sense.

[waxen bane]

What to do with spare switches?

Save them up for a franken-keyboard?

[bronze grove]

Save them for repairs.

[tawdry tree]

You haven’t done anything wrong. I presume you were the first to put Staebies to the test. Mine should arrive soon as well so I’ll test them out too.

[mental salmon]

I would like to have at least 4, instead of 2 that came with the 60HE, broke the first one top housing in my first attempt to open it with the switch opener, then I realized they do not need so much force as the JWK recolor I have in my other board

[stray tiger]

The better solution is to not use AP TX stabs or for them to make stabs a bit smaller so that being within spec tolerances is closer to majority of other stabs on the market.

[harsh dove]

Right because most other stabs fit fine with most plates, Staebies and now TX AP Screw Ins/Clip Ins are on the thicker side of your standard stabilizer and cause some compatibility issues with certain plates

My TX AP clip ins and I think a couple others seem to be fine but I also noticed like one other person who said their clip ins weren’t working properly so user experience varies as well as potential user error

So it seems to be more that the TX Ap Screw Ins don’t work

But mine will be here this week so I’ll test as well

[median spade]

if only I could get a quality alu plate for wooting without spending $65+

Getting alu cut for the last year has been tragic

Literally skyrocketed everywhere

PP looking to be the next best as of late

[tawdry tree]

I think we both understand the reason for TX’s popularity, you could say don’t use them, sure. Again, I haven’t had a fitment issue with Staebies or TX’s before nor can I find it mentioned online.

[tawdry tree]

Buy a CNC machine, start a business selling plates in Wootibg’s Discord. 🤣

[harsh dove]

https://youtu.be/C5lcbJ1FnM0?si=wAIHDl-DGhecwyGK

This guy mentions staebies compatibility issues within the community

[tawdry tree]

Is that about a plate issue or the issue that Thock mentioned where they’re too tight and can’t move smoothly by themselves.

[median spade]

I"ll charge $63 for my plates and make all the money

[tawdry tree]

“Stem compatibility issues.”

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-chart-stocks-going-up-gif-15813050

[harsh dove]

He doesn’t go into detail but I believe it would be plate issues

[shell crown]

I have a guy that can do it for me

[tawdry tree]

Could be, his statement is too broad to tell.

Either way, couldn’t find anything mentioned similar to that about TX’s APs.

Have you tried to put yours through the steel plate Cam? 😅

[tawdry tree]

He’s talking about keycap to stab stem compatibility, he talks more about it later in the vid.

[harsh dove]

No I haven’t

I’d imagine I’d run into issues tho

I can test it

[tawdry tree]

Steel is a lot less forgiving than PC. 😉

[harsh dove]

Exactly

[bitter valve]

Also wouldn’t bend like pc does, which might’ve caused my issues

[harsh dove]

I mean it’s pretty clear to me that these stabs in particular weren’t designed with plate mount compatible plates in mind

Which isn’t really anybody’s fault

They were going for a specific design to tackle a specific issue

And for most they do that which they were intended to do

I don’t think any redesigns need to be done from any companies, it’s just going to be one of those things where it’s not compatible in certain situations with certain parts

At most we’ll see a rev5 of TX AP but who knows

It’s going to have to be more wide spread than a handful of peeps in discord to make that happen lol

[tawdry tree]

Plate compatible with both aren’t that uncommon, they just have a tad bit wider holes. That’s why I wanted to understand what the standards were and which standards were used.

[opal dove]

Just finished modding my wooting. Must need definitely!

[tawdry tree]

Could be but I don’t think TX has much more space to shrink them honestly.

[stray tiger]

Stabilizer customization is a minority compared to overall sales (the average user doesnt care about modding) and TX stabs specifically when compared to all stabilizer swaps are a super minority. Its only become more popular recently due to all of the misinformation around long pole switches.

[harsh dove]

Right yeah, most people lube and tune stock stabs

[tawdry tree]

Could be, I’m not sure.

[harsh dove]

So already being a minority within a minority

A company won’t redesign something because 5 of us has an issue

lol

[tawdry tree]

TX’s are far easier to get good sounding than others.

[harsh dove]

And even then most won’t even do that

Most are gonna use their boards outta box

And call it a day

[tawdry tree]

With 60HE yeah, with the Module 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry tree]

Maybe, maybe not. It’s a compatibility issue which could be prevented.

[harsh dove]

I also hate how quickly the long pole thing spread

So unnecessary

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[harsh dove]

I mean it’s good to know things and possible issues

But everyone flocked to it like it was gospel

[waxen bane]

What long pole thing

[harsh dove]

Shhhh

Nothing

[tawdry tree]

I think far more people bought TX stabilizers for gummy support than for the long pole thing.

[waxen bane]

Okay…

[harsh dove]

You saw and heard nothing

[tawdry tree]

I know*

[waxen bane]

[harsh dove]

lol some people can have keycap tolerance issues , usually on the spacebar with the Jade switches because of the 3.5mm travel instead on 4mm and therefore if you don’t have good keycap tolerance then your spacebar can pop off one end if pressed on the opposite end with enough force

But a majority of people had no issues with regular stabs

But because someone posted about needed long pole, everyone thought they needed it

So you had a bunch of people buying long pole stabs without even knowing if they had issues or not

[median spade]

Yep

Which struck me as odd since it was not a compaint with all the long pole switches the hobby is seeing on the mx side now

[harsh dove]

They just jumped on the train without knowing the destination

So to speak

[tawdry tree]

Only if you have loose keycaps or if you have a stiff stab wire and press down with the power of 20 black holes.

[median spade]

I remember when people (me as well) were getting KAT keycaps and they spacebar would just pop off no matter the stabs

brand new without being used, and this was long before logn pole started being popular

[harsh dove]

We got rubber keycaps, where the rubber stabs at ?

[waxen bane]

I mean I noticed that right away with my stock stabs but it will never be enough of an issue to warrant new stabs

But the travel distance is a software concern for me as a jades user

[harsh dove]

They are already working on firmware for that

Can use beta in the meantime

[median spade]

oh i should do that

noticed my ;wooting been weird with jades

[harsh dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1196624898483814411/image.png?ex=65d3fe48&is=65c18948&hm=9ee742791e2f02e4750667b57f23f80e4b00ca9e731ba974e51a8548307542a6&

[tawdry tree]

Beta is still Beta though. Jades work perfectly fine on the non Beta as long as you don’t put your actuation point past 3.5mm (+/- 0.2mm).

and aren’t using DKS.

[median spade]

I am on 0.1mm

[tawdry tree]

Yeah that’s fine.

Jades are Lekkers without the last 0.5mm. They use the same stem and magnet.

[median spade]

that explains why they still have the slight rattle sound

[waxen bane]

I noticed the jades aren’t nearly as sensitive as the raesha switches on my drunkdeer board, if I brush the keys on that board it’ll register a press

[waxen bane]

My tab is the only key that noticeably does that but I think it’s a faulty switch

[tawdry tree]

Bottom housing is a bit tighter though, if yours rattle a bit still you can try hand lubing them.

[median spade]

I don't think hand lubing going to fix it tbh

every HE switch has the sound

[harsh dove]

You’re just hearing things

[median spade]

jades just less pronouced

[harsh dove]

Tune and lube your ears

[median spade]

[tawdry tree]

I disagree. 😅

If you mean a loud upstroke then yeah, kinda but that’s something you can minimize as well.

[median spade]

It sounds like a legit something is loose in the switch

[uncut musk]

guys good news, the spending on more keyboard stuff might be happening, they might be hiring me

[median spade]

Easy to notice when I go from my work keyiboard with mx stuff to my jades

[uncut musk]

yeah

[harsh dove]

Yall need any cable?

[uncut musk]

hmm

ill take

5 feet

[harsh dove]

$250

[uncut musk]

ya okay

nvm

[harsh dove]

$50/ft

[uncut musk]

fuck that

WTF

[harsh dove]

Lmao

[uncut musk]

what type of cable is that

[median spade]

let me give good example of waht i mean

[turbid karma]

So I decided to send my Salvation in to Space Cables to get painted. Still waiting on the custom cable from Zuzu, but this thing is officially done...

[uncut musk]

id have to sell all my organs

[median spade]

same salvation with fr4 but first is mx and second is jades

Like it has this rattle/loose sound

HE stuff does

[uncut musk]

ye HE just levels behind in the sound department

[turbid karma]

Lekkers sound like teeth in subzero temps

[uncut musk]

looks sick af

[median spade]

like jades are noticeably better against other HE stuff

buts they still rattle

[hard sapphire]

I mean what mods do you have

I've seen jades sound way better than that

[harsh dove]

https://nassaunationalcable.com/products/1000ft-reel-120v-10w-ft-self-regulating-heating-cable

[uncut musk]

absurd

[median spade]

Stuffing a board with foam ≠ good sounding jades

here is two other examples of jades ive done

frog mini is good but still doesn't sound that good

[uncut musk]

stock case sucks up the sound

[median spade]

yeah foam seems the only thing to hide the rattle sound

but then you just have a keyboard that sounds like foam

[uncut musk]

works if you like foam sound

[median spade]

mmhmm

[uncut musk]

but unfort i am not really a big foamy sound fan

[median spade]

me and you both

like my ideal sound is literally one of the other builds i did last night which is this:

which is why probs just going to slap my 60he back into my tofu and call it a day

[hard sapphire]

did you try tape mod

burger mount

are the jades lubed?

[median spade]

salvation is already gasket mounted in a sense

and tape mod doesn't change how switches sound

[harsh dove]

Doesn’t change inherent sound, correct, it does however change the pitch of the sound

In which case can be considered a different sound

Think of producers who make music, they take a sound and tweak it to the way they like it

Essentially doing the same thing with keyboards

Applying different effects and filters to achieve the sound you want

[hard sapphire]

second one sounds really good. that's the sound most people are going for

[harsh dove]

Nah screw FR4 plates

lol

[fluid ravine]

sounds good

[median spade]

REAL

[harsh dove]

Worst plate material

[median spade]

If you ever want your board to sound worse use FiberAss4 plate

[boreal drift]

I have 205g0 and gpl 105, should I use the 105 on just the springs or stabilizers too?

[median spade]

Springs

Would do literally nothing on stabs

[boreal drift]

Ah okay is it worth using 205 or should I get the other stuff

[still musk]

When you do the bandaid mod is it the thick middle part of the bandaid or the thin outer part?

[agile grove]

pretty sure the beta that fixed the jades got merged into main

[fluid ravine]

the sticky part

should be a fabric bandaid btw

[still musk]

What is the alternative to fabric

Like are standard bandaids fabric?

[still musk]

Thanks!

[devout torrent]

someone got a 60he for sale for 120 on mechmarket

tempted to buy one just becaause it's a deal

[harsh dove]

Leave it for someone who actually needs it lol

[naive prairie]

anyone know what the better pad is silicone or poron

[devout torrent]

ye lol I will

[devout torrent]

its all preference I like the foam better cuz it sounds a lil deeper

[naive prairie]

makes sense, i think a deeper sound would be nicer for me

[median spade]

Trying switch tape mod on a jade

[harsh dove]

Ew

[median spade]

Did 1 layer and wobble is like completely gone

Not that it had much to begin with

[ionic heath]

i was supposed to get all my stuff delivered today but switches got delayed ):

[boreal drift]

How necessary is it to remove the module before removing all the switches? The screws are wayy too tight by default and i’m not tryna damage anything

[median spade]

It’s pretty awful to remove the switches with the pcb attached tbh

[boreal drift]

K

[polar girder]

It’s not that bad

[harsh dove]

TX AP Clip Ins with PC Plate

Ever so slight bending but stabs work without issue

[polar girder]

Nice bro

Thanks

You going full clip in?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[polar girder]

You tried the screw in first or naw

[harsh dove]

Not here yet

Thursday

[polar girder]

Right on

[harsh dove]

And new switch might be here Friday

KS20u

Dual Rail

[polar girder]

Sick

[uncut musk]

hope those work well

did you order that oring bigsly

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m gonna try that new small one-ring and see if it works with the screw ins

Yeah

[uncut musk]

bet

[polar girder]

Otherwise might have to swap a couple to clips

We shall see

[median spade]

gave up on the switch tape after 2 switches

that shit too tedious and awful

[polar girder]

lol fk

1 layer on 2 switches = wobble non existent?

[median spade]

for jades it was

since they're tighter

[polar girder]

That’s dope

Change sound or anything?

[median spade]

they sound more firm but hard to get full idea since it wa sonly two lmao

[polar girder]

Right right

[median spade]

not using your shure

[harsh dove]

Lol I mainly just wanted to show Stabs working and sound

Cat

[full tulip]

Anybody have any good stabilizer recommendations for the 60he?

[median spade]

TX ap

the only answer

[median spade]

cat approves of stabs

[harsh dove]

lol yeah he’s funny

[full tulip]

rev 4?

[fluid ravine]

better have your lint roller prepared

cute cat btw

i likey

[fluid ravine]

nah phone better
Must see the seggsy keyboard

[harsh dove]

Are you using the module or regular60HE?

[full tulip]

just the regular, I need plate mount stabs

[fluid ravine]

TX AP

plate mount

for shoooo

[harsh dove]

Okay well you can stick with the stock stabs and just lube and tune them or if you really want aftermarket stabs then most will recommend TX AP as you can see @full tulip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHb6CJc9V8

[full tulip]

Alright, thanks

[harsh dove]

No problem

[harsh dove]

and yes, rev4, make sure it's Plate Mount TKL Kit

with 6.25u Spacebar

I believe they come with both tho

6.25 and 7

[full tulip]

yep, that's the exact one I'm looking at

[tawdry tree]

Don’t think so, if so it should’ve been announced in the channel.

[tawdry tree]

All I’ve seen are like this, the non functional and functional.

Good thing the Module doesn’t come with the steel plate. 😂

[median spade]

Porque no los dos

[full tulip]

any recommended mods for them?

[harsh dove]

Nope, just lube and tune

[full tulip]

awesome

[harsh dove]

Yea, you don't need bandaid or holee mod with those stabs imo

[full tulip]

thank god

[harsh dove]

I don't really like modding stabs anyway tbh

[median spade]

Bro it’s the best part about keyboards is modding stabs /s

[tawdry tree]

Most rewarding*

[median spade]

I think that’s just lubed switches more than stabs tbh

Since it takes hours

[tawdry tree]

The improvement you can get from tuning stabs is far grater than lubing switches

If you have bad stabs at least*

[harsh dove]

I think its more rewarding if you can get good sounding stabs without having to mod them

[median spade]

I mean on HE and new stuff these days maybe

[tawdry tree]

🤣

[median spade]

But cherry Mx blacks lubed, filmed, and spring swap is just different

People been spoiled with switches these days to remember the dark times

[harsh dove]

Lol the less modding the better even tho I enjoy modding, I enjoy the mods that change sound and feel, not the mods that fix issues, I'd rather my components not have issues lol

i.e. mods like Switch Tape Mod, Bandaid, Holee Mod, etc

Those are mainly to fix issues, not sound or feel

[median spade]

Yeah I never did bandaid or holee mod myself

But never had a issue with stabs myself with tuning

[harsh dove]

Yeah me either

[median spade]

But stock switches used to be horrible for sound

And feel

[harsh dove]

Well in a way you can say the Switch Tape Mod falls into both categories where its fixing an issue that causes an unpleasant sound

[median spade]

Switch tape mod probably worst mod to do and I only did 2 of them

[harsh dove]

Yeah it's the one I least recommend, having done it myself

I recommend buying new switches over doing Switch Tape Mod

Convert Time Saved into Money Spent

lol

I'd rather spend the $50-70 for new switches than the 5-7 hrs doing switch tape mod

[agile grove]

well the newest stable is 4.6.12 and the newest beta is 4.6.13

neither were annouced

[ionic heath]

Do you need the beta to use jade switches still? Or has that been merged with the current stable?

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, not too sure. Either way I believe you’d need to be able to chose a switch type in Wootility before it can be rolled out. Otherwise all switches would be limited to 3.5mm actuation.

[tawdry tree]

Not sure.

[agile grove]

pretty sure someone says that it calculates your switch travel distance when you press a key

not sure tho

maybe someone with jades can test it out

[coral steppe]

Guys FR4 or PC for more thock on the Wooting?

[tawdry tree]

Impossible, what happens when you press it only 2mm out of the 3.5mm. Wootility has no way to differentiate the Jades from the Lekkers or vise versa.

[agile grove]

PC

[ionic heath]

I only ask because have the beta software right now, but since updating ive had an issue where pressing my A key also presses my shift key. I had to set the actuation distance much further.

[agile grove]

yeah im not really sure, but somehow they auto detected jades vs lekkers/other switches

[coral steppe]

what do you guys need to test I have the jades

[agile grove]

if the current stable version of wootility works with the jades

like setting your actuation to 4mm and seeing if it works just fine with the jades

[tawdry tree]

Impossible, Jades and Lekkers share stem and magnet strength, they also share resting positions.

[coral steppe]

No, you have to release the key an extra 0.5mm

for it to register

[tawdry tree]

This is the Beta?

[coral steppe]

Newest version

[tawdry tree]

This is interesting.

[ionic heath]

Im not sure i understand...

As in the key would have to be released by an extra .5mm for it to be recognized as a lekker?

[naive prairie]

is it necessary to lube the stabs on the 60he+

[tawdry tree]

Comes prelubed so no.

[naive prairie]

bet less work for me

[tawdry tree]

I’m not sure I understand bro. I’m on v4.6.11 and both the Jades and Lekkers work perfectly as in their full range is supported.

[ionic heath]

Well thats cool, i dont want to use the beta

Yeah i dont get it, the software would have to know when the switch bottoms out in order to measure that

[tawdry tree]

Exactly, I’m so confused. 😂😂😂

Simon is a magician.

[ionic heath]

fr

[harsh dove]

This was from Simon about a month ago give or take, idk how far along he is now to the firmware though.

[paper bloom]

His probs sorted out the jades alrdy

[harsh dove]

I'm sure

[paper bloom]

Meanwhile my new pc is here

[harsh dove]

Noice

[paper bloom]

Btw cam the support team reached out to me they asked me to let them know so they can add onto the PC plate

am very happt

happy*

[azure jacinth]

What exactly are these for and are they still usable with a tofu redux case?

[stray otter]

They're to buffer the screws on the mounts

Silicone washers

[exotic pewter]

my module is faulty 😦 been using for a week and keep getting disconnected frequently during use. Found out that the power connection is loose and whenever the keyboard is moved slightly it powers off...pain.

[azure jacinth]

I bought a module and a tofu redux and I’m overloaded with hardware Lmao

What are these for?

and I got SO many screws I’m guessing I can just use the white set included with the module?

[exotic pewter]

standoffs

[azure jacinth]

they all seem to be the same screws?

[exotic pewter]

those are the standoffs for the middle of the keeb

the screws screw into that

[azure jacinth]

ah so I just need 1?

2****

[exotic pewter]

depends on your preference

[paper bloom]

Check the fitting

[exotic pewter]

fitting?

[paper bloom]

Brassnut stand off's for the spacebar and the middle stand off

[paper bloom]

Are you using the wooting prebuilt?

[exotic pewter]

its perfectly placed in my tofu

[paper bloom]

Or a custom keyboard

Then it shldnt be a problem odd

[exotic pewter]

its the usb that is loose

on the pcb

[paper bloom]

O shit then go email [e-mail]

[exotic pewter]

already on it :/ thanks

[paper bloom]

with pics

[tawdry tree]

Holy shit, this is true. It’s very interesting but not sure if it’s good or not. When the keyboard starts up it zeros all keys, then it assumes the total travel of all switches to be 3.5mm. When a switch goes over 3.5mm it remembers that switch and adjusts accordingly. BUT what this means is that if all your switches have a total actuation of 4mm and you only ever press them to 3.5mm it’ll always treat the switches as 3.5mm total travel switches. I can’t imagine this being good for performance either.

[azure jacinth]

So I have 2 sets of screws the included white case screws and another 12 silver screws that came with my Tofu Redux? which should I use?

[paper bloom]

Use the white screws

use the brass nut for the middle stand off and the space bar stand off if u wish

[azure jacinth]

and with the o rings that are included I would put use 2 per hole 1 where the PCB meets the hole and 1 where the screw meets the PCB?

[paper bloom]

You dont need those O ring silicone stickers

those are just optional

[azure jacinth]

Oh alright? Worth using at all or no?

change in any sound?

[paper bloom]

I havent tried it yet

I got the kbdstand off silicone

[azure jacinth]

But if I were to use them would I use them as so?

1 where PCB meets hole and 1 where screw meets PCB?

[paper bloom]

I cant answer that for you i havent tried it yet dude but i can tell you it works

https://help.wooting.io/article/177-putting-your-60he-module-together

[azure jacinth]

Like a pseudo burger mount?

Kk

[paper bloom]

shouldnt be the case because of the fact that like cuz its a sticker

[stray tiger]

The software doesn't just do an initial reading, it also records maximum values. You don't need to know when the switch bottoms out, just what the lowest and highest readings are. Someone in our back stage channel explained it to me, I'll see if I can find it

[tawdry tree]

This is so very interesting. The keyboard will treat all switches as 3.5mm total travel distance switches when it powers up. If any switch exceeds the 3.5mm, it will adjust and remember that switch’s total travel distance accordingly. It does this for each and every switch. If a switch has a 4mm total travel distance but is never fully pressed, the keyboard will always treat it as a 3.5mm switch. I don’t know how this affects the keyboard’s performance as it is always checking for each switch’s total travel distance and adjusting it on the fly. If you use a 4mm switch with DKS it can cause (a) ghost input(s) until you press the switch fully.

[tawdry tree]

I figured it out but I hadn’t expected it to function like this.

[clear kindle]

Hey guys, are there any solutions for stem wobble on the Lekker L40 switches? I saw that there was a tape mod, but wondering if there is something easier like a stem replacement, or a clear housing replacement (cause I love my RGB).

[tawdry tree]

Switch tape mod or stem swapped Raptors or the new KS-20U switches. Nothing else really.

With stem swapped Raptors your RGB is hindered, with switch tape mod and 20Us your RGB is fine.

20Us have an RGB defuser/spreader actually.

[clear kindle]

Ohh that's neat. Anything else I should know about the KS-20U?

[tawdry tree]

They’re basically Lekker switches with less stem wobble.

But they aren’t widely available yet though.

They’re quite new.

[clear kindle]

What's the difference between the KS-20 variant?

[tawdry tree]

KS-20/Lekkers are single rail switches and the KS-20U s have a dual rail design.

[clear kindle]

Ahh okay

Ohhhhh, I see. Dual sounds better.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, that’s designed to minimize stem wobble.

[clear kindle]

I see that they come lubed. Is their lubing good? Or should I do them myself.

[tawdry tree]

They come prelubed but you can always add your own 205.

I don’t have the 20Us so I don’t know if they are prelubed well. I do have the 37Bs which are really similar and they’re prelubed well.

[clear kindle]

Is there a version that has stiffer springs? I feel like my L40 is a little too light.

[tawdry tree]

There isn’t a stiffer version as of now but you can spring swap them I believe.

[glacial wind]

Most new switches are around l50 or so

They list 30s or whatever as their force but it’s starting force not end force

If you look at their actual force graphs they usually end around 50-52g which is between the two lekker options

[clear kindle]

Well thank you both for the information. I think I'm gonna order the 20U. I appreciate it! 👋

[harsh dove]

Gateron Magnetic Jades for example

Say initial force is 30+7gf

And they don’t list the end force like Sno Jed said

But on the graph you can see it ends around 50gf

[tawdry tree]

Yw!

[knotty canyon]

does the 60he module come with silicone rings to burger mount or do i have to buy my own?

[dark quest]

yes

it comes with some

[knotty canyon]

W thank you

[whole iron]

what's the best switch compatible for wooting these days

heard a lot about jade

[tawdry tree]

No best, Jades, 20Us and stem swapped Raptors are all good.

[boreal drift]

7 hours later and I finished lubing for the first time, I'm never doing this again 😂

[gleaming crane]

Does the module support clip in stabs?

[polar girder]

ya

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[gleaming crane]

That’s awesome

I accidentally purchased clip ins when buying my tx ap plate mounts and I didn’t feel like going through the process of returning, but now I’m thinking of getting the module so that would actually be such a W 😭

[formal quail]

hey! new to keyboard modding - i was wondering if u guys had any good "case recommendations"

i think typically u cant get cases standalone but any cheap kits that u guys might know about

[paper bloom]

Id run the Tofu60 Redux

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[formal quail]

thanks a ton!

[rustic yacht]

its done.... ❤️ gateron jades + pc top plate + tape mod + bandage mod

[north mason]

Cera keys are kinda thocc, sounds abit hollow

[tame vessel]

Is this without anything between the PCB and PC plate?

Sounds good 👍

[rustic yacht]

silicon between pcb and plate

[tame vessel]

Out of curiosity, have people managed to get the silicon and friction mount to work? I found it too rigid to really get in a case with the extra width of an o ring

[median spade]

Correct

It does not work with silicone

[stark osprey]

Sounds deeper on Alumaze case , doesn't ping either like the Tofu does.

[median spade]

with brass weight insert the tofu def better than alumaze

he's also on desk directly instead of desk mat and with tray mount that will make ping show up just how it is

[stark osprey]

https://youtu.be/4bvLyb2HhrU?si=GxfxHveNz_ERHiSX

Even on Badseed's video the Alumaze sounds deeper (better imo) , subjective, of course.

[old swallow]

its all subjective offcourse, but i personally wouldnt say it sounds deeper, the redux is a much darker sound. because its also a heavier case

[austere creek]

with videos its not just subjective but also depending on: what does it sit on? how strongly are keys pressed? what microphone was used? what post processing is applied? is there anything that might change due to compression from youtube? what playback devices do you use? what audio processing did your PC maybe do before it went to the playback device?

[stark osprey]

Theyre both being played back to back on the same equipment, on the same desk @12:34 LOL

[old swallow]

yeah, but all the other things mentioned makes it so that what you hear might still not be an accurate representation of what it really sounds like

[uncut musk]

those 2 builds on his set up will sound different on your set up unless you have like the same exact everything as him tbf

[agile grove]

I have mine in a redux gummy mounted with polyfill and I dont hear any noticeable ping

[uncut musk]

I dont even have the weight in my redux and there isnt any noticeable ping

all I had to do was just fill the space where the weight would have been

[agile grove]

if you have any ping issues polyfill is the way to go tbh

[stark osprey]

What other things? Theyre being compared back to back using the same desk and sound recording equipment?

[old swallow]

yeah, but just the sound editing, compression all those things. that makes it so it doenst sound like it does in real life

[agile grove]

your desk thickness, if its on a mousepad or not, what mods you did, what keycaps you chose

unless you build it exactly like his, theres going to be differences

[austere creek]

idk if my tinitus is just really advanced but i cant hear any ping in the video at all

[stark osprey]

All things equal in that video..

[austere creek]

on any case

[agile grove]

it may be the same in the video, but in real life it may sound different

[uncut musk]

Yeah its more the sound of an HE switch more than anything

[agile grove]

anyone that knows anything about audio will tell you that sound test are inaccurate always

[stark osprey]

Haha ok it just sounds like you're reaching now.

[agile grove]

yeah, only thing I hear is HE switch sound and a really bad spacebar

[uncut musk]

they give you like some good indication but you wont really know until you hear it irl

[uncut musk]

nah fr the spacebar

how does the spacebar sound THAT bad

[old swallow]

best solution is to just spend thousands and try everything yourself to get the best sound

[uncut musk]

wtf

[agile grove]

ikr

[uncut musk]

exactly just do what @harsh dove does

or

[old swallow]

cam is a mad man

[austere creek]

i think going to a keyboard meetup and bringing your deskmat is enough

[agile grove]

my module came with a stupid good spacebar but I accidentally wiped off the lube when taking it apart to balance it

[austere creek]

then you can maybe try combos on a sturdy desk and your deskmat

[old swallow]

nuh uh, just spend way too much. thats a much better solution

[agile grove]

nah just use your totally legal money printer and buy everything

[uncut musk]

LMAO yea my space bar and backspace were surprisingly good. didnt need to tune them at all

[austere creek]

i dont own steam sorry

[uncut musk]

also not having that standoff by the space bar helps a little bit

[fierce canyon]

Have you considered: [owning steam]?

[old swallow]

just own it

[agile grove]

I'll probably just dip it into some dielectric grease or 205g0 and call it a day

[uncut musk]

wont point fingers but someone was talking abt how bad the stabs were on these boards and i was like a tad bit worried but honestly they arent bad at all

[agile grove]

I know the stabs on the 60he arent the best

esp since they're plate mount

but the module stabs are built different

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m just waiting to cam to say “this is it” for a HE switch then I’m buying my last set lol

Jades not it for me I don’t think

Still waiting

Stem swapped raptors hold me over

[stark osprey]

Maybe the only thing you've said I agree with 😂

[agile grove]

same tbh, they sorta just sound like lubed lekkers

[agile grove]

yeah lmao

CAM a real one

[polar girder]

already 3 sets of switches deep. Don’t need to buy EVERY one lol

As tempting as that is

[agile grove]

cant wait for him to say "ok actually this one is it" like 4 days after my switches arrive

[uncut musk]

lol

Im holding off

[agile grove]

you just like me fr

[uncut musk]

I cant go around spending 60 here, 40 here, 60 here for some switches

[agile grove]

yea

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m l45, l60 and raptor deep

[agile grove]

I'd rather lube my lekkers and call it a day for most of this year

[polar girder]

About to offload the l60’s with a stock 60HE sale once I swap out the module

Yeah lekkers aren’t that bad

[uncut musk]

ill leave that up to the the sound testing guys

[polar girder]

If you’d rather listen to your keyboard than play games then yeah sure, lekkers aren’t ideal. But if you’re just living life it’s really not that serious

I’m curious to get the stock 60HE back in the plastic case and hear it again, for old times sake lol

[agile grove]

I dont think theres be a he switch that has been such a big improvement for me to say they're actually better than lekkers

[polar girder]

Lekkers are a Wooting thing

HE are the switch type. FWIW

🫠

[agile grove]

jades are the only really different ones but those have a shorter travel distance

[polar girder]

Yeah fk jades

[agile grove]

typo moment

[polar girder]

[uncut musk]

checking now my backspace has a little rattle, gotta tune them tn

[polar girder]

Is there no Wootility channel?

Weird

[agile grove]

#📰│wootility_updates

[polar girder]

Oh nvm I suck

Yeah thanks lol

Just didn’t scroll down far enough

[uncut musk]

you cant type in it tho

[polar girder]

Yeah wtf lolz

[agile grove]

my backspace is super rattly since its an unlubed TX AP stab

and my space is pretty rattly

[uncut musk]

ngl ive never used screw ins before this board

[agile grove]

same

[polar girder]

Are they sweet?

I’ve never touched a stab in my life lol

[uncut musk]

im guessing you just unscrew them???

[harsh dove]

Yeah, they’re screwed into the bottom of the PCB

[lapis stump]

i keep hearing different things but is lubing the jades worth it? I know theyre prelubed and they feel pretty smooth. Does it change the sound much?

[polar girder]

I would say lubing always worth

If you’re down to spend the time

But I don’t have jades so idk

[bronze grove]

It's almost as if lubing is a personal preference thing, and people have different preferences

[lapis stump]

yeah ive lubed switches before. for me its more of is there a noticable sound difference for jades between the factory and lubing them yourself.

[harsh dove]

Almost, Anders…almost

[bronze grove]

[median spade]

nope as the stock lube really good and it's already on all contact points, i did 10 of them and didn't change much

maybe thet springs could use some extra lube but otherwise no reason to chnge them stock

[lapis stump]

Thanks yeah I do notice a lil bit of spring ping on certain switches

[median spade]

yeah that's just a certified gateron moment as imo they always have bad springs

[lapis stump]

Might do a bag spring lube job down the line at some point haha, enjoying it now for the time being

[stray tiger]

The question is do you like big thock or not?

[coral steppe]

PC or FR4 for the wooting I have both

[stray tiger]

I vote whichever one you prefer

[harsh dove]

I also vote whatever you prefer but deep down… fuck FR4 lol

[median spade]

Steel the only thing that may be on par with FR4

but would still use steel over it

[bronze grove]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-reference-marvel-i-understand-that-reference-steve-rogers-gif-11980248

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/sexy-curve-sir-mixalot-gif-8040394

[bronze grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOcTIqiSUeo

[sharp yew]

interesting colorways there

looks like it was actually fed custom keyboards

[devout torrent]

speaking of customs did everfyone see the zoom65 v3??

[stray tiger]

Yeah saw it last night. Interesting mounting options.

[devout torrent]

yeah ton of customization options as well

defintely going to be picking one up

[stray tiger]

Normally I would as well but Im making the decision to migrate to HE only boards from here on out in an effort to keep my budget to something reasonable lol

[agile grove]

it is an HE board

well, can be I guess

[devout torrent]

it has HE option!

That's why I am interested in it

[stray tiger]

Oh I see it on the geekhack page. Nice, I didnt even notice

[devout torrent]

yep your decision for HE only may not be as restrictive as you want haha

[glossy dirge]

would magnetic levitation mounting interfere with HE switches?

[median spade]

Black Pom

[harsh dove]

1000ft of Cat6A anyone?

[bronze grove]

[median spade]

Why do you have so much cat6

[harsh dove]

Why don’t you is the real question

[median spade]

because my house currently doens't have hard line running through the walls

if it did however

[bitter valve]

Spent some time with tx ap stabs yesterday, one ended up having a weird bump, while bottoming out, not sure what that’s about. For the rest, you can definitely mix&match housings and stems to get it working. It’s weird. I might still replace two with screw-ins, but at least the space and backspace are covered for o-ring mount

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-sad-sad-stitch-gif-14364046974961747120

[harsh dove]

You’re not using any foam pads or anything with your stabs are you?

[bitter valve]

Nop, was just testing pcb, plate + poron foam in between

[agile grove]

only the backspace needs to be clip in for gummy mount

[median spade]

should be spacebar too

[harsh dove]

Okay, one thing I did once installed with switches and keycaps was press the keycaps fully down and while pressed down I wiggled them around a bit to kinda wiggle and snap everything into place and I felt like it helped a bit

[agile grove]

nope, running it with a screw in spacebar rn

[median spade]

interesting

[harsh dove]

There’s a workaround for the spacebar

So yeah

Only backspace

[bitter valve]

Interesting, I might test it out then

[harsh dove]

You can get the new thinner o rings as well

And continue to use screw ins

[agile grove]

I will admit its a little hard trying to get the o-ring to sit right

[bitter valve]

Any chance you have a link?

[agile grove]

in fact I sorta scratched my case a little bit and chipped the plate trying to push it down

but neither of which are noticeable

and if you use a little more patience and precision that probably wouldnt happen

I was just being lazy lol

[harsh dove]

https://mech.land/products/graveshift-o-rings

[bitter valve]

Yeah, I spent two evenings fucking around with tx ap clip-ins so at this point I would gladly use smaller o-ring with screw-in

[bitter valve]

I appreciate it!

[agile grove]

@stray tiger the modding faq should be updated with this, rn it says graveshift medium

[harsh dove]

Well it’s still correct that medium works, but if you’re using screw in stabs then yes, you would want small

Probably something I should test out for people

Guess I’ll buy some

[bitter valve]

I just bought one, will let you know as well

[polar girder]

Yeah I bought one. It’s kind of brand new and TBD tho

So we have to kind of test and verify before we add to the FAQ

[bitter valve]

Since the space bar literally pulls out the switch from the plate, I don’t think I’ll have any issues with jades lol

[polar girder]

Excited to not have to swap stabs

Might pull them to grease them I guess tho. TBD

[bitter valve]

My tx ap journey didn’t go that well, and it’s funny, because I actually only ordered them because I wanted to try out clip-ins

[stray tiger]

Ive had no success using a small o-ring with screw-in stabs.

[paper bloom]

I just thought of something

[harsh dove]

Just one?

Nah man

[paper bloom]

Why dont we ask wooting to release and sell the stock screw in stabd

And upgrade them at the same time

Actually nvm im schizo its 3 am

[bitter valve]

They don’t want more sku’s

[paper bloom]

Yea i forgot

[agile grove]

also im pretty sure they just use gateron screw in stabs

[polar girder]

I got the small 40a blue

[harsh dove]

How you guys consider yourself scientists with only one sample size

Gotta buy em all

[polar girder]

Lolz

Go ahead, big bro

[harsh dove]

lol

[paper bloom]

I see

[agile grove]

not everyone has money to throw at keyboards

[harsh dove]

Don’t need money

Just get it off the back of the truck

[polar girder]

I ordered the small o-ring but also have the tx ap clip-ins

So I’m ready for whatever

Never touched a stab tho. So tuning and lubing new to me

[bitter valve]

I’m not, I just want a functioning kb without headaches tx stabs caused lol

[median spade]

welcome to the life of keyboards where our number one enemy is

stabs

[harsh dove]

lol I’m just messin with yall

[polar girder]

I’ll probably wait for Cam verdict for clip-ins vs screw ins for the module

I also have black PC plate so should be helpful

[bitter valve]

Not really tho, no issues with clip-ins, no issues with plate-mounted on my previous kb

[harsh dove]

People think I got money when really, I just find the trucks with the shipments

[polar girder]

I’m not really a keyboard hobbyist o just want a smooth Wooting lol

[median spade]

until they start ticking

and then you have to lube them again

and then again and again and again

stabs are #1 public enemy in keyboards

[cyan adder]

Case dampening ?

[bitter valve]

Anyone encountered tactile bump on the stabs? Wondering what is causing it.

[harsh dove]

Get high grit sandpaper

[agile grove]

either a lube issue or the casing is bent

[median spade]

why did wooting stop selling the spare springs btw

or just they ran out

[harsh dove]

They have variety spring packs coming soon

[bronze grove]

Because most people wanted full switches, less hassle.

But what CAM said.

[median spade]

Nice

[bronze grove]

Soon™️

[median spade]

Aliexpress has sthem but dont' want to bother with them

perfect

[harsh dove]

Need them L100

[bitter valve]

Hmm, I would say neither, but will try to wash off lube and try again

[harsh dove]

I want my switches to look like they go to the gym

[bitter valve]

Would totally eliminate stab sticking lmao

[harsh dove]

You said you tried swapping housings and stems too?

[agile grove]

thats gonna be crazy

[median spade]

life, death, and stabs ticking

[harsh dove]

Circle of life is you’re born, stabs tick, you fix it, then you die

[agile grove]

what would you even use the L100s for lol?

[bronze grove]

Ceramic keycaps I guess.

[harsh dove]

Yeah

Or alu keycaps maybe

[agile grove]

how soon between each of these events?

[harsh dove]

Microseconds

[bitter valve]

Yeah, seems to help with some of them

[mental salmon]

I was thinking one between l45 and l60 was going to be announced 😦

[harsh dove]

You die faster than your brain can perceive it’s even dying

[agile grove]

wouldnt really make sense to have L45s and L50s or L60s and L55s

[median spade]

55g pretty popular on the mx side

but most people getting wooting are just gamers tbh

[harsh dove]

Now is that 55g starting force or end force?

[median spade]

end

[harsh dove]

Oh okay

[agile grove]

im assuming end

[harsh dove]

So that’s similar to Jades then

Cause jades are around 50gf

[polar girder]

Directions unclear. What do I do with this pile of dust now? Cant attach it to the PCB

Yeah I want light springs

[median spade]

jades feel weirdly lighter

[polar girder]

Light AF

fuck jades

[median spade]

raptors are 52g but feel much heavier

[polar girder]

L45’s are goated

[harsh dove]

Well jades initial force is like 30+7gf

End force is around 50 tho

[mental salmon]

Which one is lighter between jades and l45s?

[agile grove]

L45s

[median spade]

l45 and jade should feel similar in theory

both actuate at 30g

and with the long pole effect of jades

makes it feel shorter/lighter too imo

[polar girder]

I’m curious l45 spring in the 20Us

[harsh dove]

It reminds me of those trigger stops on gaming controllers like SCUF

[bitter valve]

So true

[harsh dove]

It terms of the 3.5mm travel

[agile grove]

im assuming since the spring ends sooner you're going through that 30-50g force change faster than the 30-45g change

[harsh dove]

And it’s funny cause they make things like that for switches

It’s like these little plastic washers you put on the bottom

And reduces travel distance

[rustic yacht]

stock foam that comes with alumanize

[teal parcel]

Cam the ks-20u’s come in yet?

[polar girder]

Bro the buttons paddles on controllers instead of paddles is awesome. It’s really like that?

Or you talking more of a bumper type thing

[harsh dove]

Not yet

[harsh dove]

More like the trigger stops

When it doesn’t let you pull the trigger all the way in

[polar girder]

Oh

Whack

Yeah I’m good

[harsh dove]

So like with a semi auto rifle, you could tap fire it fast af compared to someone with a regular controller who has to pull the switch all the way in

[polar girder]

Maybe cool?

Idk don’t like the idea of it but maybe I’m just ignorant lol

[harsh dove]

lol well just think of the trigger of a gun, if there was a trigger stop that could allow to you pull the trigger faster and reset it faster then you could get lead down range faster

[polar girder]

I think the dual rails will be a good indication of how much further HE have yet to progress

[polar girder]

So long as the stop feels natural I’m fine with that I guess

I don’t need all 4mm lol

[harsh dove]

It doesn’t at first on a controller with trigger stops but you get used to it

As far as keyboard switches go, it’s not that noticeable to me

[polar girder]

Fair enough

Ok so we need closed bottom, dual rail, box stem HE??

[harsh dove]

In terms of physical feel at least

Well some don’t like the closed bottom

[polar girder]

Why not

[untold wigeon]

is there any way for me to get a knob modded onto my 60he module?

[median spade]

pray to the wooting gods they add one

[bitter valve]

Makes switch louder, from my experience

[polar girder]

Gross

[median spade]

makes it sound like proper mx switch or closer to it

not gross

you been using closed bottom switches your whole time on mx stuff

[alpine thistle]

For anyone who has tried magnetic jades is there a feeling difference from the lekkers? (I am currently on spring swapped stock lekks)

[bitter valve]

Used silent mx reds, don’t hate me

[median spade]

they're lighter and bottom out is harsher

beyu

i like silent mx stuff even though most hate the mushy feeling

[bitter valve]

Yeah, so I think I prefer lekkers to jades, but have some mods planned for jades too

[alpine thistle]

@median spade cool. Thx

[median spade]

rn im swapping spring on jades, hand lubing stem and top housing

will let you konw how it goes

[polar girder]

YES

LMK

[alpine thistle]

What springs did u swap to?

[median spade]

l60

[bitter valve]

I was planning to put med tape on the magnet and mb something to reduce returning sound also

[harsh dove]

Some don’t like the feel of the reduced travel

[untold wigeon]

Guys i want to start to keyboard modding but i didnt even lubed any switches i have 100$ budget what do you guys recommend for starters

[median spade]

the four i di with med tape mod

it sounded better

but they got added tick