🔧│keyboard_modding

[quiet bay]

wondering what manufacturer they'll go to 🤔

[pastel ice]

i have a 7 y.o budget "race look" chair. ofc its woobling 😄

[normal schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-bean-dixon-dr-coffee-futurama-themepark-bender-gif-25160461

[quiet bay]

switchfilms will help reduce alot of housing wobble

but it will still wobble

;-;

[halcyon sparrow]

Jesus the switches are the least of your worries

[normal schooner]

lekker factory with blackjack and hookers

[pastel ice]

xd 😄

[median spade]

your faith in them is justified, but gateron on the other hand

gateron imo still the worst switch maker after all these years

[normal schooner]

I dont know anything about switches

[pastel ice]

gatteron gaming chair "D

[quiet bay]

I think it's time to get into the office chair department

[normal schooner]

youre better off with ponchizo

[halcyon sparrow]

If you care about it that much get both 45s and gaterons use the stem from one in another boom

[median spade]

yeah if you want almost no wobble

l45/l60 stem in raptor housing

[quiet bay]

keep in mind that it does add more friction

and you will feel it

[halcyon sparrow]

Does Jades work aswell?

[pastel ice]

that's the easyest way to make them sounds great :d

[median spade]

jades default is already good

[quiet bay]

does cost more tho

[halcyon sparrow]

Friction or wobble the true question of importance in life

[quiet bay]

budget and time consuming mod for those who have all the time in the world

do switch tape mod

😉

[median spade]

switch tape mod

be at your desk for 8 hours

[halcyon sparrow]

How to lose your job

Start a switch tape mod

[quiet bay]

in exchange for making lekkers actually sound decent 😂

[pastel ice]

my friend bought the "fake wooting" for osu (dont know how it calls but it has 3 keys, knob and screen) and on the ks-20 he has about 250 positions at software, but when he pluged l60, the driver shows aabout 5000 pos xd

[quiet bay]

sayo device? 🤔

[pastel ice]

yep.

[halcyon sparrow]

Facts and you also never get to use your keyboard if its your only board

[quiet bay]

atleast the mod makes the biggest sound difference 😔

[shell geode]

My TKD Cycle7 came in!

[quiet bay]

that click is so satisfying...

[shell geode]

It issss

[normal schooner]

content

keep posting

[shell geode]

Sound test when I finish building!

[brisk tulip]

Did anyone put in the middle screw in?

does it really makes a difference?

[harsh dove]

I personally don’t put middle screw in or spacebar screw

I don’t use the edge screws either

Only two most upper screws

On either side

[halcyon sparrow]

Why

How different is the experience?

[crisp spear]

Could I get some modding advice it is alright to put together my keyboard first and then dissasemble when modding parts come

Or should I wait a day until it all comes

Wanted to get a baseline on what the keyboard og would feel and sound like

[harsh dove]

Screws cause dead spots and uneven sound/consistency

That’s why you’ll see quite a few people in here do burger mount or friction mount

[harsh dove]

Put it together, mess with it , take it apart when mods come

[halcyon sparrow]

Interesting

[paper bloom]

Anyone used the silicone standoff from kbdfand ?

Kbdfans*

Is it any good

[harsh dove]

It’s part of the reason people don’t like tray mount

Or rather, it is the reason

[sage mirage]

Jades XD

[brisk tulip]

first time modding keyboard

should I also get the pc switch plate or nah?

[sage mirage]

I forgot to get the black pen gonna order that next time I do a redux build

[harsh dove]

Up to you but if you want more thock and less of that metallic sound then yes @brisk tulip

[midnight hornet]

Anyone here that tried the carbon fiber backplate?

[harsh dove]

Not yet

This for reference

[midnight hornet]

Im curious if its any good, sounds good atleast

[sage mirage]

The carbon fiber plat should have more bouncing of noise

[harsh dove]

Well CF is almost as stiff as steel so

[midnight hornet]

Ah verry close to stock

[harsh dove]

It’s pretty stiff

Just doesn’t have a metallic sound

[sage mirage]

Done until my next build

[midnight hornet]

ooh looks nice the brass fits so well with the white case

[harsh dove]

I feel like the new pink case will look really good

[harsh dove]

Concrete*

White is coming soon

lol

[midnight hornet]

ohright it was concrete gray

[uncut musk]

qthis shit is so sensatvie

[midnight hornet]

not a huge fan of pink myself on a case ngl

[fluid ravine]

not too shabby

[uncut musk]

one sec

[paper bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-storm-troopers-dance-funny-saturday-gif-12053062

[uncut musk]

changed rgb color

the noise these switches make are something

Going to run the silicone for a bit

why are the

edges on this shit so sharp

lmao

[median spade]

Cam I’m still in disbelief you have a Shure and been recording with phone this whole time

[harsh dove]

I’m not either but I think it’ll look good with the brass insert

Only pink I like is a salmon pink or something like GMK OLIVIA

like a creamy pink

[midnight hornet]

fair enough might be quite nice with a brass backplate too

ah thats actually nice

[median spade]

how can you forget the best pink set of all time

[paper bloom]

Bochi the rock ?

[midnight hornet]

too much for me

[lofty plover]

Hello is this the right channel if you have questions? Looking to buy the 60he module but i dont know much about custom keyboards

[normal schooner]

wooting is about to release some pink

wrist cable alumaze

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/rightplace-gif-24349456

[normal schooner]

keycaps

[paper bloom]

Go to #archived_wooting_60he and see pins

It answers everything

[median spade]

here is another one

[lofty plover]

it wasnt really about the keyboard itself i just kinda need help chosing the parts

[uncut musk]

@fluid ravine should this be longer and or slightly wider

[paper bloom]

Sure i can help

[lofty plover]

so i'm getting the module + tofu60 redux but for switches and keycaps idk

[paper bloom]

Switches u run l45 or L60 keycaps u can run any profile

It shld fit

[paper bloom]

I run the tofu 60 redux

[fluid ravine]

looks right

[paper bloom]

Brass screw the space bar stand off b4 u screw it in

If u want an extra secure board to case

[lofty plover]

so any keycaps that have the same layout will be good then

[paper bloom]

Yes

Sublime PBT double shot

[fluid ravine]

remember to press it down completely @uncut musk

[paper bloom]

Check gmk or pbtfans

[lofty plover]

did you buy the brass weight with the redux

[uncut musk]

i didn’t

[uncut musk]

kk

[lofty plover]

did you put foam instead or something

or leave it empty? wondering if the extra 25$ is worth it

[paper bloom]

I did im waiting om ot

[paper bloom]

I do it comes with ot

[lofty plover]

right

so module + case + switches + keycaps do i have to buy anything else

[paper bloom]

Cables alrdy with it

[paper bloom]

If u wanna hand lune get a hand lube set

U wanna change screws into spmething better get that

U wnana run a silicone stanfoff instead of burger mounting

Get that

Or get those O ring washers

[lofty plover]

change screws? replace it with what?

[paper bloom]

Stabilizers into something better

Instead of stock wooting screw ins u can run something else

Like a durlock or idk

[lofty plover]

i'm leaning more towards jades or l45 do you think its necessary to lube them

[paper bloom]

Alrdy fsctory lubed this is ur choice

Some wld go for jades some go for l45

U ask me id say run something optimal get the L45s if not run jades

[median spade]

performance wise really no difference between the two

if you already going this far with case and such get the jades

[paper bloom]

All personalnpreference

[lofty plover]

i'll check some sound test

[median spade]

That’s true but haven’t met someone yet who prefers the lekkers over the jades

[median spade]

I got you one second

[lofty plover]

cool ty

[median spade]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[paper bloom]

There are some wld prefer it here

[median spade]

interesting

zou that's also just the plate and no foam

to give you a idea of the pure switch sound themselves

[lofty plover]

kinda tough to chose lol i like all the sounds and tbh i dont really hear a massive diff

between l60 and jades

do you have a soundtest with the foam?

[median spade]

turn your volume up till you can hear my background fans

and I don't ahve foam no

foam just makes everything sound the same except the jades really tbh

[paper bloom]

Ima make it eadier

Easier*

For u

@lofty plover u want something light snd performing check the jades performance actuation

Amd compare it to the L45

If u got str 99 like dark souls get the jades

All in all just run jades but u need the wootility beta software i think

[median spade]

jades are lighter than the l45 btw

[paper bloom]

How light

[median spade]

37g

they are super light

[lofty plover]

yeah i saw the specs of the switches thats kinda why i was thinking about these two

[harsh dove]

I wouldn’t get durock stabs as wooting stabs are the exact same if not better

Most people will say that

[paper bloom]

Oh i c

[paper bloom]

Btw what about the silicone stand off to replace the burger mount

Any thoughtd on that

[median spade]

yeah tx ap staps the only ones that are real upgrade

[paper bloom]

I got told that

[harsh dove]

You mean the silicone rings that come with the board?

As of recently

[paper bloom]

Na the ones u buy seperate off of kbd

Silicone stand off not the O ring

[harsh dove]

You’re talking about like a silicone adhesive ring for the standoff or actual silicone standoffs?

[paper bloom]

The stand off covers

[harsh dove]

Oh I have those

They’re meh

[paper bloom]

How meh

[harsh dove]

Better to just use o rings

[paper bloom]

Ah shit

[harsh dove]

Well they’re pretty thin

So they don’t do much

[paper bloom]

Sound profile wise tho

[harsh dove]

Again, not really doing much

[paper bloom]

Ah ok welp i gotem alrdy

Rip my procurement of O ring

[harsh dove]

Better off with burger mount or friction mount

[uncut musk]

ngl these screw in stabs out of the box are honestly better than my old stabs, just need a little bit of tuning

[harsh dove]

Lmao all good

[paper bloom]

Im tryna get the O rings

But idk what O rings to run

[median spade]

yeah the screw going into thoe post is really waht causes a lot of the sound

[harsh dove]

I like to test stuff so I have a lot of different stuff for mods

[paper bloom]

Know any good ones ?

[harsh dove]

Yeah sure hold on

[paper bloom]

Cheers

[uncut musk]

this stem wobble is something else tho, gonna wait till my ten raptors get here before making the decision to do the switch tape mod on all 60 of these switches

[paper bloom]

Raptors def a upgrade what i am hearing

[uncut musk]

yeahj

[lofty plover]

oh yeah raptors i was kinda thinking about those too

[paper bloom]

But get the jades

If it was me

[harsh dove]

https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/dp/B08H4DTSFM

[uncut musk]

I actually prefer the sound of the raptor franks over the jades

[paper bloom]

LOL out of stock

[harsh dove]

The friction of Franken switches bothers me too much

[paper bloom]

But thanks

[harsh dove]

Try checking your local Amazon

This is the Netherlands link

[paper bloom]

Yea

[uncut musk]

yeah thats why i decided to get a few of them instead of buying a full set of them

[spice bronze]

are tx stabs supposed to work with the pc plate

cause they ain’t fittin for me

[harsh dove]

Yes, they do

[spice bronze]

the stabs r too wide for me to put the plate on. any advice?

[tawdry tree]

No.

TX stabs don’t fit in Wooting’s switchs plates.

[tawdry tree]

You can try with a hobby knife.

Or a 3rd party plate but I’m not yet sure if KBDFans’ plate supports TX APs.

[mental salmon]

Would any of these sizes work for the burger mount?

[median spade]

too big it looks like

[tawdry tree]

@stray tiger would be good for #🪛│modding_faq so people don’t buy stabs that don’t fit.

[tawdry tree]

The bottom one might but I think when tightening the screw it’d stretch and pop out. 😬

[harsh dove]

Then how do mine work lol

And everybody else’s

Who has tx ap

[polar girder]

lol yeah what

[paper bloom]

Which selection did u run

@harsh dove

[harsh dove]

TX AP TKL Plate Mount

[paper bloom]

The 1.6 or 2.0

[harsh dove]

1.6

[paper bloom]

Yea those fit then

[harsh dove]

Yeah

That’s what I’m saying

[paper bloom]

If its the 2.0 idk

[mental salmon]

I may need to find also other screws, a little bit longer, just for testing, trying to avoid getting new orings, but maybe I also need to get them

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’m just confused as to why homeboy said “No.”

When myself and plenty of others have tx ap plate mount stabs and work fine

[paper bloom]

Probs cuz of the fitting if u didnt do anything to it and slap it on

[harsh dove]

Unless I’m missing some context

[paper bloom]

It sjldnt be a problem

Not sure either

@harsh dove meanwhile im thinking of eother getting the omd 60HE

Old* or the new 60he+

[harsh dove]

If you want screw in stabs get the module

[paper bloom]

I got them alrdy

[harsh dove]

and I don’t even think you can get an old 60HE PCB

[uncut musk]

yeah i think im gonna buy a 60 wrist rest

[paper bloom]

Just need a prebuilt case #1 falls out

[harsh dove]

I think they’re all screw in compatible now

[paper bloom]

Theyre selling the old ones rn

[harsh dove]

Oh okay

[uncut musk]

yeah they are selling old ones to clear the stock im guessing

[harsh dove]

Right

[paper bloom]

Ye

Cuz if plate mounting with TX Ap stabs are ok and they dont rattle compared to the wooting stocks either way

Both work great

Its just the lubing part that over doesbit

Does it*

Now im p conflicted LOL

[harsh dove]

Yeah I had to lightly lube my TX AP for them to sound right

Too much lube made them feel horrible

[paper bloom]

Welp

[stray tiger]

The FAQ already says 1.6mm PCB and 6.25u spacebar. What else should I add?

[harsh dove]

Yeah, I'm still confused as to why he said TX AP doesn't fit in Wooting Switch Plates lol

When like 70% of the people in here use them

[sharp yew]

prolly bc it gets flung around

[harsh dove]

I'd like to get flung around

[tawdry tree]

There’s no way there’s that much variation between plates or between the stabs, which stabs do you have exactly?

[harsh dove]

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-plate-mount-stabilizers

[tawdry tree]

Check the post I mentioned, I got a screenshot there.

[mild pond]

Anyone know if it’s possible to mod underglow onto the wooting PCB?

[harsh dove]

I wouldn't think so either

You get fake TX AP? jk lol

[stray tiger]

I'm driving. What stabs are we talking about?

Oh TX AP?

[tawdry tree]

You have plate mounted APs?

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[harsh dove]

For the regular 60HE yes

Module I'm using stock

[stray tiger]

Yeah I've used them as well. What's the question

[harsh dove]

He saying they don't fit

[stray tiger]

Don't fit the 60HE?

[harsh dove]

Correct

[tawdry tree]

I have screw ins, there was someone else with plate mounted that said he had to cut the plate a bit so they’d fit.

[harsh dove]

[stray tiger]

Sounds like something is off then. I had no issues

[tawdry tree]

V4 don’t, if you have older ones maybe those do.

[harsh dove]

I even took the plate from my module and put it on my regular 60HE

because I put the black plate on the module

and the stabs fit fine

[stray tiger]

I've got the 2023's one. Without looking I can't tell you which version they are but they have the date 2023 on them

[tawdry tree]

It’s consistent why my steel, white and black plate and all stab housing don’t fit.

I have screw in V4s myself, someone else had plate mounted V4s who claimed they didn’t fit either

[tawdry tree]

And this guy.

There isn’t that much variation in the stabs or the plates, that’s incredibly unlikely.

[harsh dove]

I couldn't tell you honestly, these are the exact one's I got and even sent to @fluid ravine and his worked fine too

[tawdry tree]

As it is consistent with 3 plates.

[tawdry tree]

Both plate mounted?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

Here’s the invoice

And they are rev. 4

[crisp spear]

where is the spot on how to make the keyboard

ive finally got all of my stuff

[stray tiger]

Did that guy get screw-ins? Hoping he wasn't trying to slide the plate over plate mount stabs. Not enough info.

Yeah I know for a fact the AP ones worked. I've built at least 3 boards using them.

[harsh dove]

Yeah and it can’t be that rev4 doesn’t work cause mine and Thockson’s work

And whoever else I assume has rev4

[tawdry tree]

#archived_wooting_60he message

[tawdry tree]

Not sure.

But it’s that the plate holes are too narrow for the stabs to fit

[static tendon]

Just now received an update my module is arriving tomorrow 😎

[tawdry tree]

With V4s?

There’s no way it’s an inconsistency

😂

[crisp spear]

hey counter could i get some help building this

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[stray tiger]

These but plate mount. Couldn't tell you what version

[sharp yew]

when the logo is clever

[stray tiger]

Yeah those. Same ones

[harsh dove]

Right

[paper bloom]

yo wassup

[crisp spear]

hey finally got the parts

[paper bloom]

Sorry im eating break fast with 1 hand so dont mind me

[harsh dove]

Sent these same exact ones to TenZ aka Thockson too

And his worked

[crisp spear]

so ive got the case on my desk mods havent come in yet

but going to try and assemble it for now

and then fix it later so ive got something to use

[paper bloom]

Run the brass nut on the sparebar

Standoff

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/nike-just-do-it-gif-26636514

[crisp spear]

let me see if i can find it

[paper bloom]

its in a bag

[harsh dove]

Nah man toss those brass nuts

lol

[paper bloom]

Or u can go without

[uncut musk]

my board is so muted

its wild

[paper bloom]

i prefer going with

[crisp spear]

2 of them i think

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’m joking

[paper bloom]

Theres 3

[harsh dove]

Completely up to you

[crisp spear]

are they small

[paper bloom]

ye

[tawdry tree]

These work with the stock plate?

[paper bloom]

My case and my uhh marble wrist rest

came in yesterday

Im waiting on my other stuff

[stray tiger]

Yes I've had no issue

[tawdry tree]

Without stressing the plate..

[harsh dove]

Correct

[crisp spear]

does it come with module or case

[tawdry tree]

Cause 2023 is V4 as well and it’d be crazy if only the screw ins were wider.

[harsh dove]

The brass standoffs?

[crisp spear]

yeah

[paper bloom]

case';

[stray tiger]

I have not tried them on a PC plate but stock steel worked fine.

[harsh dove]

Come with Alumaze

I can’t remember if they come with module too

[paper bloom]

braqss nut is in the alumaze and the tofu60

[paper bloom]

They dont

Its only the small screw ins

for the stand off

not brass nuts

[harsh dove]

Yeah I opened my module last night but couldn’t remember

[crisp spear]

These?

[tawdry tree]

Mine don’t fit the steel plate and overstress the PC plates.

[crisp spear]

I think there is only 2?

[paper bloom]

yesa

take 1 of those

Theres 34

3*

Ones behind it

Take the brass nut and put it onthe space bar stand off if you want

If not leave it as it is and screw it in

its all personal preference

[stray tiger]

In all honesty the only real stabs that give me problems from time to time are staebies. They can be overly tight at times.

[crisp spear]

I srsly think there’s only 2

[paper bloom]

Is okay

you need 1 only

[crisp spear]

Ok

[tawdry tree]

Do you have TX screw ins?

[crisp spear]

Where is the spacebar stand

On the module

Or that little one on the right

[paper bloom]

In the middle bottom

[crisp spear]

Lower

[tawdry tree]

I used staebies twice without issue, not too tight

[paper bloom]

Yes

Lowest

[stray tiger]

That picture I just posted are TX screw-in stabs.

[crisp spear]

Ok I screwed it hand tight

[tawdry tree]

I know but I have screw ins.

That’s why I’m asking

[crisp spear]

What’s next

[tawdry tree]

Whatttttt

[harsh dove]

That’s what I’m saying

[crisp spear]

Also came with these guys and another set

[stray tiger]

I have not tried the TX screw-ins on a wooting board as the module I have is still sealed. I have more willpower than Cam

[tawdry tree]

Are you sure they’re screw ins? mine say “Screw ins” on the package

[crisp spear]

Way down inside this

[harsh dove]

I suck I know

I’ll just buy another one

Ez

[paper bloom]

not required

[harsh dove]

His do too

[paper bloom]

if u want u can use'em

[crisp spear]

I’ll follow what you say

[harsh dove]

Well I guess they do say PCB mount

Sorry

[tawdry tree]

I thought he meant these.

[crisp spear]

So do I put in the foam next

[paper bloom]

yes

Then ur module

U want a video

on how to install

so it is easier?

[crisp spear]

Sure

[paper bloom]

@crisp spear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsRcYxZgBCo&t=155s

[stray tiger]

I'm eating but I can open them later if it helps

[peak geode]

i would like to say

[paper bloom]

Those shld fit on the wooting 60HE

[peak geode]

i love this board

its awesome

[tawdry tree]

Those are clip ins afaik.

[peak geode]

and jades plus a few mods

thing sounds really nice tbf

[stray tiger]

Might be, I know they aren't plate mount. But plate mount AP stabs do work on the 60HE steel plate. I can confirm that.

[paper bloom]

Screw ins are still unconfirmed right?

[tawdry tree]

Alright, then I don’t know what the other guy was talking about.

[tawdry tree]

Mine do not fit.

[paper bloom]

Thats oof

[harsh dove]

Yeah I can't confirm anything about the TX Screw Ins unfortunately

[paper bloom]

WELP IG PLATE MOUNTED IS MORE VERSATILE THAN SCREW INS

LOOL

[harsh dove]

I can't see why they wouldn't work but who knows

[paper bloom]

OLD 60HE IT IS

Na sike we'll see

[stray tiger]

Hmm right on time

[harsh dove]

Oooo

[tawdry tree]

@sweet cedar You have TX screw ins as well right?

[paper bloom]

Oo nice

[harsh dove]

Interesting, comes with KS37Bs and seems to be about same gram force as L60s

These don't work with Wooting PCB?

[stray tiger]

Yeah I'm curious to see how it performs. Wooting is without a doubt the leader in the HE realm but I like to know what others are doing. Knowing what I know today though,I wouldn't have pre-ordered some of the boards I did back in Nov/Dec.

[harsh dove]

Hahah I feel that

[stray tiger]

Wooting has some amazing stuff coming that I didn't know about 1-2 months ago lol (or even 1-2 weeks ago).

[paper bloom]

I hear that the HE 3rd parties esp for some software are offf

[crisp spear]

are those 5 screws that came with the brass

[harsh dove]

Yeah its just that software man

Nobody else got it

[crisp spear]

the screws for module into case

[paper bloom]

Yes u can use them i think

[harsh dove]

and the latency

Wooting got the latency down

[paper bloom]

Ik other companies like razer steel and gatreon and now more clones are coming in

[harsh dove]

and I already know they working harder to improve these things

[paper bloom]

im p certain theyre alrdy trying to reverse engineer wootings stuff

[harsh dove]

Oh of course

[paper bloom]

Yea lmao

[harsh dove]

Plenty of copy cats

[paper bloom]

Too many with shit software

[harsh dove]

But also, healthy competition, if its healthy, is good competition

Helps one another improve

[crisp spear]

and then i didnt see

where do i puit the foam

[paper bloom]

If we got wooting onto the main keyboard market and have it sold global i dont think we wont loose there

[crisp spear]

like module looking thing

[paper bloom]

its just a normal padding from the module

U can get it from there

[crisp spear]

should i put it on top or below

the module

[paper bloom]

on the case

[stray tiger]

So much more coming. People will be playing catch-up for a while. I can vaguely say this. Out of the 64 HE boards I'm tracking, none of them have some of the features Wooting will be announcing soon.

[paper bloom]

then the module

[crisp spear]

oh does it go above or below full foam

[paper bloom]

They never will catch up

All they can do is play the game of hide and seek

[harsh dove]

Looking forward to it, I can't wait.

[paper bloom]

But i still want wooting into the mouse market

It isnt as saturated as b4

[harsh dove]

Wooting Mouse would be so cool lol

[paper bloom]

Esp the mouse switches

Those HE Switches wld take out kailh and some other comp's

[harsh dove]

Wooting Mouse Pads/Deskmats

[paper bloom]

The sensors idk

Altough there are faster mouse with click latency achieved but yeah

[tawdry tree]

Won’t fit even.

[paper bloom]

Yea RIP your screw ins then

[harsh dove]

Right, I thought so

I think I remember you showing

You or someone else

[tawdry tree]

Talking about the 37Bs here 😂

[paper bloom]

OH

Mb

[tawdry tree]

Yeah,

[harsh dove]

Sadness

[paper bloom]

The bottom housing

LOL

[harsh dove]

That protruding bottom is weird to me

[paper bloom]

They need it for extra strong magnents

magnets*

[tawdry tree]

They sit really sturdy in the PCB, I reckon you could use it without the switch plate if it had screw in stabs.

[paper bloom]

I dont get it tho why wld u need a stronger magnet for esp HE when a good enough magnet is sufficient

[tawdry tree]

Not stronger

[harsh dove]

Has anyone got plateless with HE switches ?

[tawdry tree]

Different.

[paper bloom]

The Raptor or Jades

[crisp spear]

Screwed 1 in on top

[paper bloom]

has a stronger magnet and a 3.5MM stem

down

[stray tiger]

You don't need stronger. In fact stronger is bad

[crisp spear]

Was I supposed to unscrew the other one first

[paper bloom]

Thats what im trying to get at

[crisp spear]

And then screw it in on top

[paper bloom]

The video tells you everything

What

U screw everything in the sides the top and the bottom if u want

But the sides are more important for securing

[harsh dove]

Bro doesn't want his keyboard to run away

[paper bloom]

Cuz in the #🪛│modding_faq I saw that the Jades or some other switches have stronger magnets

and to compensate the software has to do some nano calculation

[crisp spear]

Yeah I had one screw that was already in the alumnae when it came in

[harsh dove]

Raptors have stronger magnets @paper bloom

[paper bloom]

Raptors*

[harsh dove]

Which cause a more senstive actuation

[stray tiger]

Yeah and that's why it's bad. Sometimes they are too strong and overwhelm the sensor

[paper bloom]

I always tie them down tight to ensure that i get a good grip on the module

[tawdry tree]

I found the guy who said TX plate mounted didn’t work, I am not crazy! #🔧│keyboard_modding message

[paper bloom]

There were times where the module itself if u slam too hard on your keys the potential problem

[paper bloom]

Unless they equip it with a custom sensor other then that idk but yea its bad

[tawdry tree]

This exactly.

Do you guys just force them in? 🤣

[stray tiger]

It's not even a sensor issue, it's a QC issue. Some of the raptor magnets are over the acceptable tolerance/spec.

[harsh dove]

That's not a plate issue

[paper bloom]

BRUH

Thats even worse

[tawdry tree]

?

[devout torrent]

Weird mine worked just fine on PC plate for 60HE not plus

[harsh dove]

How does the stab getting stuck down have to do with the plate?
And TenZ aka Thockson had this issue with his left shift stab when I sent him the kit but I forgot how he fixed it

[stray tiger]

Magnets aren't identical and cheap grade magnets exist. The geonworks venom board may account for those variations but the Wooting doesn't (+/- 10%)

[paper bloom]

Yea ig cuz of the calculation on the sensors and input

and the grade of it too

[tawdry tree]

Well, we’re getting somewhere. The guy’s message said he had to cut the plate in order to get the stabs out easily which isn’t normal or at least not from my experience.

[harsh dove]

If anything I would think your keycaps would affect the stab getting stuck

[stray tiger]

I did buy some more TX stabs this week but both are clip-ins I think

[harsh dove]

Right, not normal in my exp. either

I know TenZ didn't cut or shave down his plate tho

and it was only one stab for him

not all of them or however many this guy is claiming didn't work

[fluid ravine]

Keycap tolerance

like how you would break in the grease/lube in the stab

[harsh dove]

Right, I thought so

[fluid ravine]

just move it up and down as much as possible or just spam the key until it responds

[harsh dove]

and these are the exact same packages I have

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think it’s keycap tolerance for the guy I’m talking about as his issue was fixed when he cut his plate which means the plate put so much force on the stab housing that it caved in.

[harsh dove]

That's the only thing I can think of, the plate bending downward and somehow prevent the stab from working

But I don't see why that'd be happening

[tawdry tree]

This is so confusing honestly, it’s so unlikely that it’s just to blame on inconsistency.

[paper bloom]

But going into cutting it is extreme

[harsh dove]

1+1=5

[crisp spear]

how is magnetic jade prelube

or should i lube them myself

[paper bloom]

Its alrdy factory lubed

[tawdry tree]

I’m quite sure that’s exactly what happened with that guy. I’m quite sure if I were to push mine through the exact same would happen.

[paper bloom]

It is up to you if you want to hand lube them yourself

[stray tiger]

I just verified I ordered more clip-ins so I won't be able to test screw-ins for you @tawdry tree

[harsh dove]

But he's using the same rev4 Plate Mounts that myself and others are using with the PC Switch Plate and he's saying it's not working and then you're saying that the Screw Ins aren't working either?

[paper bloom]

Im p certain he meant the screw ins dont work

but the plate mounts work

[harsh dove]

That guy he's referencing is using Plate mount with pc plate

[paper bloom]

Oh

[tawdry tree]

No problem at all. If you could try clip ins with the PC plate, only if that’s something you plan on doing.

[harsh dove]

I plan on doing this as well

Mine will be here Friday or Saturday

TX AP Clip-Ins

[tawdry tree]

The other other guy and my screw ins don’g fit.

[harsh dove]

Who's the other guy using Screw ins?

[tawdry tree]

The one I tagged before

[harsh dove]

Check the image I posted

He's using Plate Mount with PC Plate

[tawdry tree]

Not him

[harsh dove]

Oh okay

[tawdry tree]

Gimme a sec

[harsh dove]

I didn't see the other guy you posted, sorry

[tawdry tree]

There he is.

Actually

His are plate mounted too

LOL

No not

[harsh dove]

lmao

[tawdry tree]

Screw ins

“put the plate on”

[harsh dove]

right

would be screw in

I'd think

[tawdry tree]

@sweet cedar has screw ins as well

[harsh dove]

or Clip in ig

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[harsh dove]

Did riley have any issues?

[tawdry tree]

I’m not sure

I know he ordered screw ins

[harsh dove]

Well I'm sure they'd sound off in here if they did

[tawdry tree]

but not sure if they already arrived

[exotic pewter]

ok so I just finished lubing my jades and threw them back in my board. I very much preferlubed jades over the factory lube

[harsh dove]

Yeah hand lubing is almost always better

[tawdry tree]

Because they’re more quiet on the upstroke now? 😉

[exotic pewter]

definitely. the clack is less prominent now and they sound so good

[paper bloom]

Meanwhile you have me still pondering on the 60HE and the +

[harsh dove]

Just get the +

[paper bloom]

Since the 60HE+ Has a steel plate and it is interchangeable

LOL

[harsh dove]

Oh

You mean the fully built

[paper bloom]

For the prebuilt

Ye

[harsh dove]

You not getting a case?

[paper bloom]

i got one on hand

my first module PCB PC has a defect

[harsh dove]

Switches?

[paper bloom]

im waiting on support team's advise

L45 lekkers

[harsh dove]

Keycaps?

[paper bloom]

Im running the Gura gura keycaps

with the tofu 60 redux

[harsh dove]

So why not get the module then

[paper bloom]

andonized black

[harsh dove]

Instead of prebuilt

[paper bloom]

ive ordered it the 2nd one

but im ordering a prebuilt just incase

For the 1st module since the PCB PC is bent to shit

and i dont wanna spend money on changing it LOL

unless they give me a replacement part

[harsh dove]

So lemme get this straight

You ordered a module already and got it bent? And then ordered a 2nd one. And now you’re ordering a 3rd just in case?

[paper bloom]

For a prebuilt in the 3rd

Yes

LOL

[harsh dove]

Bro

Calm down

[paper bloom]

DUDE IVE ORDERED 3 BOARDS THIS WEEK

ALONE

LOOL

IVE SPENT A TOTAL OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS ALRDY

[harsh dove]

I hear you trust me

But calm down

[fluid ravine]

🗿

[uncut musk]

the one lekker switch i tape modded sounds so much better its wild

[stray tiger]

You might need a 4th in case the pre built gets lost. To be safe

[harsh dove]

Just fuckin get a module

Jesus

[paper bloom]

i did its on its way

[harsh dove]

Don’t order extra

[fluid ravine]

[static tendon]

How did it become bent?

[paper bloom]

Defect

[harsh dove]

He’s special

[paper bloom]

HEY GOOD IDEA

I SHLD ORDER 10 MORE

WHILE AT IT

[static tendon]

Oh you're totally fine, I'd reccomend to cancel all orders and just rely on the replacement wooting will provide. It's fairly new so I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help with any replacements

[paper bloom]

Yea ik

ive alrdy emailed them to cancel it

LOL

[static tendon]

Wooting is great in that sense. Bummer to know it was bent, sorry to hear that

[harsh dove]

Bruh

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-stressed-cant-omg-seriously-gif-16578464

[paper bloom]

Dude u dont understand the amount of circles

ive been chasing

[harsh dove]

I do

I can see them

Visually

[paper bloom]

LOL

[paper bloom]

Its alright ig

[fluid ravine]

Out of topic but
Lethal Company (talking about what i see from your pfp with my non existent eyes)

[paper bloom]

I feel so schizo and stupid

[static tendon]

Yeah i'm sure, wooting takes a while to ship out as well most the time. But because it's bent on arrival, it's very possible they'll expedite the shipping. I wouldn't worry too much about it. They should take care of it

[paper bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

This is literally me

after moving from my house

[paper bloom]

Yea im chilling now and waiting on their response

while building another Keyboard

I mean i can wait for another week if they dont respond im forced to go plan C

[harsh dove]

They gonna say you hurt them financially and take a piece of your soul and then send you a replacement

[paper bloom]

@harsh dove To add on im upgrading my PC

and its going to cost me

[static tendon]

Hmm, I'm not sure I quite understand here. Are you able to provide more details? 🤔

[paper bloom]

Least its only the PCBPC

if it took the Module with it due to the bent

You dont know how much bent i am

by the time i found out

after putting switcches on

LOOL

[harsh dove]

More bent than the PCB I assume

[paper bloom]

Dude the G and H is off

[static tendon]

Do you have any photos for reference? Perhaps there's a way to temporarily unbend the module until the replacement arrives

[fluid ravine]

I have no clue why but when my blind ass looked at your pfp
this is the first thing i think off out of no where

[paper bloom]

nah is fine

i wont unbend it

else itd void the warrenty

LOL

[fluid ravine]

when taking a closer look, im just like damn, im really blind

[harsh dove]

Ima go put some moleskin tape on my module

[static tendon]

😂 Haha i'm dead

[paper bloom]

He does look like that tho it is a 1:1

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-we-will-be-right-back-run-away-motorcycle-gif-17635965

[static tendon]

That's just the fit 🔥

[paper bloom]

Now we gotta photoshop u with the gas mask

and the oxygen tank

No one will know

[static tendon]

Facts

[paper bloom]

SEE

[spice bronze]

i’m back, just finished my build. for context i tried both the white pc plate and the black pc plate and neither of them would fit. the stabs were too wide and if i tried pushing the plate any further it would’ve snapped

[harsh dove]

Using TX AP Clip Ins or Screw Ins?

[spice bronze]

clip ins

[tawdry tree]

wtf

[harsh dove]

Interesting

[tawdry tree]

Well, well, well.

[harsh dove]

It’s also interesting because if you look at the descriptions for the Plate Mount ones

It says it’s adapted off the clip ins

lol

So why wouldn’t they fit

[tawdry tree]

Do all of your stabs not fit? Or some do and some don’t?

[spice bronze]

they all don’t

idfk this confused me as well lol

[tawdry tree]

What in the actual f

[spice bronze]

maybe i got a weird batch of the stabs? that’s all i can think of

[harsh dove]

Well I'll have mine this weekend so I'll test them out

I have both switch plates as well

[spice bronze]

lmk please

[harsh dove]

TheThockFather will have some as well

[tawdry tree]

It could be a weird batch but mine are all consistent as well.

[uncut musk]

wait can i separate the plate from pcb without pulling out the switches

[harsh dove]

yes

I do this when pulling out my switches cause its easier

[uncut musk]

hmm yeah where do you first start pulling them apart

having a touch time doing it

[harsh dove]

One end

[tawdry tree]

I have raptors in my black plate and jades in my white 🤣

[harsh dove]

I have the opposite @tawdry tree

[uncut musk]

kk

[harsh dove]

make sure all screws are unscrewed

[uncut musk]

yee

they were

ty

also whenever you put it back together can you just like do the same thing but reversed

[harsh dove]

yes

[uncut musk]

this is so much easier than regular mechanical keebs

[harsh dove]

Yep lol

[tawdry tree]

You can do it with hotswaps too but it’s a bit harder.

[near dagger]

@uncut musk what key caps you run for the wooting?

[harsh dove]

and a lot easier for beginners to get into keeb modding

[paper bloom]

Did u buy the 2.0 or the 1.6

[uncut musk]

i read its kinda risky doing it with regular mech keebs

some clones @near dagger

[near dagger]

huh?

[spice bronze]

1.6

[tawdry tree]

I broke 1 pin the second time I did it. As long as you’re careful it’s fine. 🤣

[paper bloom]

Thats odd

If his works it shld work for yours as well

@harsh dove Legit got fitting ones

[harsh dove]

He's using clip ins

[spice bronze]

ill try shaving off the edges on my white pc plate to see what happens ig

[harsh dove]

I'm using plate mount

[paper bloom]

OH clip ins

Then yea ok OOF

[tawdry tree]

It is a mystery.

[harsh dove]

My clip ins will be here this weekend

[tawdry tree]

Good luck!

[paper bloom]

welp hf

[harsh dove]

Bro's taking that Gillette Fusion ProGlide straight to his plate

[spice bronze]

this is my first keyboard build too. thought it would be easier 😵‍💫

[tawdry tree]

It should’ve been.

[harsh dove]

^^

[tawdry tree]

It isn’t normal to have to shave your switch plate. 😂

[harsh dove]

Yeah you've experienced something possibly uncommon but we'll see as time goes on as more people get their module

[spice bronze]

the stock screw in stabs seem to work really well though. i only got the tx stabs in case there was an issue with my jades

[tawdry tree]

Then why bother? If you like the stock stabs just use those and save yourself the hassle.

They most likely won’t cause issues with your jades.

[spice bronze]

it’s not a hassle to me. i kinda wanna know the result now lol

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-the-office-salute-yes-sir-gif-13625282

[static tendon]

Anyone do this when swapping between switches?

[tawdry tree]

No, just unplug/replug

[devout torrent]

It recalibrates on more than just a reset so there’s no need

[uncut musk]

d

[tawdry tree]

I agree completely.

[uncut musk]

dude

I DIDNT MEAN TO SEND THAT LMAO THIS SHIT IS SO SENATIVE LMAO

[tawdry tree]

😂

[uncut musk]

also ngl

i like the sound of the board with the foam liner that comes with the redux more than the foam that comes with the module, its not that big of a difference but yeah

also

Since i didnt get the weight for the redux what i did was cut out a bit of foam from the reduxs packing and shaped it to fit where the weight would be

[fluid ravine]

Ok idk what config this is but i was going back into to my sound recorder and i was listening to some of my sound tests but damn

thoughts?

[uncut musk]

sounds good

the space bar

:)

[fluid ravine]

this was back in november

interesting

this probably had no tempest mod

im guessing

[uncut musk]

yeah

[fluid ravine]

cus its nice and quiet

[uncut musk]

are my ears tripping or is it a bit hollow or pingy

[fluid ravine]

AH

you reminded me

yep

I remember what i did during that time
Uh back in november i was really bored but i think during that time CAM ordered me some TX AP Plate mount stabilizer sets and when i was waiting, out of pure bordem, I took out all the mods as much as possible and make it as stock as possible

So it was Tray mount, Wooting Stock Case foam, No tempest, Poron Plate Foam, Idk what keycaps, I didnt bother to switch plates i think, still kept my switches taped ofc, and either the alu or stock case

some shi i dont really remember

but yeah it was out of pure bordem

So there was ping yeah, uh i think i complained the spacebar being stale?

[uncut musk]

lol bordem makes me do a lot of things to keebs

[fluid ravine]

yeah

haha

[uncut musk]

its crazy how much of a difference the tape does to the switches

[fluid ravine]

Well back to my usual config

[fluid ravine]

no fr tho

[uncut musk]

like

[fluid ravine]

its crazy haha

[uncut musk]

the one switch i did

It sounds good

[fluid ravine]

oh wait i thought we were talking abt tempest xd

[uncut musk]

o

lmao

[fluid ravine]

well still agree yeah but my dumbass 💀

[uncut musk]

i meannn

i could have been more specific

[fluid ravine]

all good

i wasnt reading

[uncut musk]

i only have 1 layer of tempest rn

[fluid ravine]

same

im always gonna stick to one tbh

from no layers to one layer was a huge difference to me esp when it came to having the PC plate

I had to have 3 layers with the steel plate back then for it to make a difference

[uncut musk]

also this might be a stupid question but does the board get hot at all with tachyon mode

[fluid ravine]

I'm doing a essay rn and im brain dead than ever cus i wrote 4 drafts

and its due fking tmr 7pm

[fluid ravine]

dont ask me 👀
but if i were to guess.. yes?
I'm guessing it gets warmer than how warm it usually get without tachyon. Don't take my word cus im not a nerd abt this.

Just a guess

lol

[meager pine]

Sound test 👀

[fallen condor]

It's so noisy outside my house

[fallen condor]

Raptor HE Gaming Switch + L60 stem、Steel spring

At night I was recording the keyboard sounds

[meager pine]

That’s all good, thanks for that! Nonetheless love the look of it, love osume keycaps 😩😩😩

[near loom]

i really like the sound of this wooting what mods and configs did you use

[fluid ravine]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[fallen condor]

The workmanship of osume's keycaps is really great, I'm very satisfied

[fluid ravine]

This is not my config, again i was just bored and i was messing around for no reason

I will link you to my actualy configs in a moment

#1173784544529363034 message

#1166204178759176283 message

#🔧│keyboard_modding message @near loom my current config atm

[glad geyser]

my space bars stabs have always been pretty rattly so i clipped em and holee modded. feels a little slugish, will it get better as i break it in?

[woeful sand]

Not sure where to ask this but I put in a order for the module, switches ect. But I plan to put it in my gmmk case, does anyone know if it is compatible? If not I’ll look for a compatible one.

[bronze grove]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

Known cases tested by the community

[woeful sand]

Ahh thank you, I’ll take a gander

[glad geyser]

This is what my space bar sounds like after clipping and holee modding my stabs to try an eliminate ticking and rattle. doesnt really sound that good, wondering what it could be

thats just my space bar

[sour blade]

I will post this PSA again
About TX ap stabs and wooting PC plate shaving

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

Nothing wrong with having to shave down your pc plate

Just be ready to have to do so, if you dont want to commit, dont.

Done be suprised that two products, one with high demands for tolerance ( AP = Almost Perfect) needs a plate that conforms well

Not to be rude but its high school level engineering

The end result with TX AP is good, up to you to decide if its worth it and chase perfection

[sour blade]

not a dumb question.
yes there is heat and yes if you put something like tape mod the warmth may build up cause it cant escape

[sour blade]

Also, OP posted image with screw in stabilizers, when wooting pcb uses plate mount stabilizers

How did no one catch this

[gleaming crane]

Is there a reason you shaved down the plate?

[sour blade]

plate pushes against stabs, stabs have friction when going down that lube cannot solve

its squishing the stabs together, or in some spots pulling them apart

[gleaming crane]

Ah okay

Ig that explains why mine are slightly scratchy in some areas

[gusty mist]

Is it common for TX AP stabs to have really tight fit on the wires at first? Mine are super stiff.

[gleaming crane]

Yea

[gusty mist]

Will they loosen up with use or do I need to wiggle them a bunch before installing

Feels like the switch won’t be able to return to resting position

[gleaming crane]

It should be fine, they should return despite being stiff

If not daily use should loosen them up

[sour blade]

AP "Almost Perfect"

[austere creek]

AP "Armour Penetrating"

[sour blade]

they dont got much room to be squished unfortunately

they get squished , they rub, they get squished more, they might not go back up

[gusty mist]

Yeah they def not returning, gonna have to remove stabs and try to loosen

[glacial wind]

They’re supposed to be insanely tight

[gusty mist]

I mean what else am i supposed to do

The keys aren't functional

[glacial wind]

What most people do is remove and replace the wire into the housing a couple times to loosen it a touch

Did you lube them?

[gusty mist]

Yeah

[glacial wind]

Because lubing tx ap incorrectly can ruin them because it’ll be too tight

[gusty mist]

Thought maybe I overlubed but same issue lubed and unlubed

[glacial wind]

You may need to wash it out and redo it with light lube

[gusty mist]

its the tolerance between wire and the housing

not the stem

used 205g0

[glacial wind]

Yes that part is known to be insanely tight

That’s normal

The switch should still work fine

[gusty mist]

it does not

[glacial wind]

Remove and put it back a couple times

[gusty mist]

I removed wire a few times and wiggled it to loosen but I'll keep trying

My fingers are destroyed putting these damn wires in

[glacial wind]

Returning issues can also be your keycaps

Are they good quality keycaps?

[gusty mist]

stock wooting

But its def the stab it's crazy tight

[glacial wind]

Does the key return when no keycap is on and you lift up the stem

[gusty mist]

no

[glacial wind]

And the stabs are level and installed properly?

And this happens with all stabs?

[gusty mist]

Not sure. Even before stabs were installed i noticed how tight the wires were and moved them around a lot trying to loosen
Some are tighter than others, like my left shift is mushy but returns but backspace will not return

[glacial wind]

Honestly sounds like either installed wrong or the keycaps are warped and causing sluggish return

[gusty mist]

I'm telling you the stabs are tight as fuck even when not on the board

[glacial wind]

They shouldn’t all be so tight that they all have issues - even if 1 is having that issue it shouldn’t be all of them

Yes I know I own tx ap stabs

The wires are always tight but should still return

What I’m explaining is that sluggish return is also caused by not just wires being tight but by other things as well - tx ap is famous for it having tight wires like that

[gusty mist]

If the wire requires more torque to return than the switch can provide it will not return. I can tell this is case even with a single housing attached to the wire off the boarrd

Gonna take off and try to loosen them up

[glacial wind]

These are the tx ap screw ins?

[gusty mist]

Yep

[glacial wind]

Hrm then install shouldn’t be the issue since it’s very hard to mess up the hook and push

[gusty mist]

I think it's just bad tolerances with this batch of wires/housing

[glacial wind]

Make sure the stab is pushed in fully too as a double check

That will also cause return issues

It’d be a bit odd but I guess possible if every single stab in your key has over tightness issues

[gusty mist]

2/5 are ok just tight - other 3 very bad

[glacial wind]

You got that ‘snap’ when you pushed them in?

[gusty mist]

yeah

[crimson sky]

are the stems the right orientation?

2 holes facing the bent part of the wire

[gusty mist]

yeah tx wont function at all if theyre reversed

[crimson sky]

with enough force they would

which is why I ask

[glad geyser]

i got new keycaps and theyre double shot abs and the spacebar feels slow and sluggish on my L45s. Are they too heavy?

i havnt lubed the l45s should i oil up the spring?

[crimson sky]

tbh imo the springs are basically perfect

lubing it won't make the switch lighter

[glad geyser]

i replaced the switch with a hand lubed l60 and also tried a factory lubed l60 and the factory lubed one was sluggish and the lubed one is perfect

[crimson sky]

would not be the spring tho

[vast estuary]

how do you achieve creamy rather than thocky?

[wet hazel]

PC plate, lubbed/filmed switches, foam, mods like tempest. But probably the switches have the most impact on that sound profile

There are not a lot to choose in the wooting rn. Lekkers are more thocky, Raptors and Jades are more clacky

I supose thock switches with a lot of dampening sounds more like 'creamy'(?)

[pale osprey]

so the standard OEM keycaps on the 60HE are a bit to narrow for my typing on the "top" so I keep fat fingering other keys then what I intend to press, does anybody have any experince or can recommend another keycap profile that might suit my needs or are just wider?

[bronze grove]

Narrow?

Cherry is the second most popular choice. Maybe those would work better for you? Or maybe it's about the angle of the keyboard?

[pale osprey]

yea saw the diagram on the good article you have https://wooting.io/post/abs-vs-pbt-what-are-the-best-keycaps

trying to figure out how to explain it

I can see the width of the keycap top in that diagram, let me get paint and draw 😄

[crimson sky]

tai hao cubic?

[pale osprey]

those might be good! thanks 🙂

[vast estuary]

i was gonna use the poron foam pad that comes with the module
extra foam below the pcb
tempest mod
lubed switches

hopefully that sounds nice

[wary elm]

Thx dude

[frank ether]

does anyone know how to fix stem wobble on lekkers? i feel like mine are just getting worse and worse

thinking about getting jade switches but dont really want to buy another set