🔧│keyboard_modding

[stable kindle]

thanks man !

[agile grove]

im not sure about the tolerances on the KS-20Us but they are probably much less wobbly due to the dual rail.

[tawdry tree]

This is just tolerances, not sound. Sound is subjective.

[tawdry tree]

I used the KS-37Bs which I presume to share tolerances with the KS-20Us and they are quite smooth and minimal stem wobble.

[agile grove]

but tbh switch choice really doesnt matter if you're thinking of performance, its not like you're going to lose to a person who has KS-20Us because you have lekkers

[uncut musk]

For example, personally I don’t like the sound of the jades but a lot of people do

[agile grove]

same

jades are really inconsistent imo

like every soundtest sounds different. im sure that its prolly the mic but out of every switch they have the most noticable difference from soundtest to soundtest

[stable kindle]

no trust me, my mental will fail me and i will and blame it on the lekkers

so the KS-20's are the orange ones and the KS-20U is the white?

[tawdry tree]

Don’t look at colors.

[uncut musk]

At least none of them sound as bad as blue clicky switches

[tawdry tree]

KS-20s/Lekkers/Omni-Points come in translucent white, orange, lekker blue and lekker yellow.

KS-20Us only come in orange as of now afaik.

[stable kindle]

@tawdry treecan you link me the U's? i cant seem to find them

and whats the difference between the two?

[tawdry tree]

They’re not officially released yet. They should be on AliExpress in the next month.

[tawdry tree]

They use a dual rail system instead of the single rail.

[stable kindle]

gotcha so less stem wobble

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[uncut musk]

I wonder how you lube that

[stable kindle]

any idea if the lekkers have less stem wobble compared to my 12 year old mx cherry red corsair keyboard?

lol

[tawdry tree]

Just as any other switch but you need to make sure you get lube all the way in the rails.

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, I’m not sure if and how many revisions Cherry Reds have had, I think the Cherries could be a bit better but not sure.

[stable kindle]

better not!

i guess we'll see when the module gets here in november

[tawdry tree]

november?

Oh you mean the 80He

lmao

[stable kindle]

ordered it within the first few minutes the60 module came out

[tawdry tree]

wait what

[stable kindle]

keeps shipping keeps getting pushed back.

im just making a shitty joke

[tawdry tree]

OH LMAO

Couldn’t be me

(I live in Europe)

😂😂😂

[stable kindle]

whats that supposed to mean? you europeans get your shit earlier?

[tawdry tree]

I had my module for

[stable kindle]

muted and blocked

[tawdry tree]

2 weeks almost

[stable kindle]

dont wanna hear it

[tawdry tree]

Hahhahahah

[stable kindle]

omg

sum bullshit

when did you order your module

[tawdry tree]

As it launched

first hour I think

😂😂😂

[stable kindle]

ok but i was first 5 mins

would have been the first second but i was taking a dump

and you got yours 2 weeks ago? omg

[tawdry tree]

Yeah well to be fair I live in the Netherlands

[stable kindle]

no

its not fair

[tawdry tree]

I could cycle to Wooting to pick my shit up

😂😂😂

[quick gulch]

There’s so many boards order time shouldn’t matter

Wolken was the first module set I think

[stable kindle]

you gonna burger mount,or replace the stabs and go with gummy?

[quick gulch]

I ordered like 1 week before it was shipped out and was in wolken

[tawdry tree]

Not sure yet, I want a custom CNCd case I think

That wouldn’t require burger or gummy or tray

[stable kindle]

so extra

but i respect it

[tawdry tree]

It is

[agile grove]

you need entirely different o-rings for each mounting style. burger mount is cheaper, gummy mount is more expensive but a little better.

[hard sapphire]

dude all the keycaps I find that I like the colors of are SA profile

[odd grail]

I'm gonna do it

I'm gonna do the switch tape mod

Wish me luck boys 🫡

[quick gulch]

The what

[tawdry tree]

Good luck, clean the lube off from where you stick the tape first!! 😂

[tawdry tree]

It’s in #🪛│modding_faq I think. If you don’t know what it is.

[stable kindle]

Would suck if you break a few switches and end up being a couple short of a completed keyboard

[odd grail]

Okay yeah before I mess up horribly I should figure this out.

What do you mean? I haven't lubed any of the switches yet either (I'm gonna be doing this for days lmao). Save for one switch as a test

[quick gulch]

💀

Just buy one of the new magnetic offerings

It’s not worth your time

[odd grail]

What?

[quick gulch]

Just go buy some jades or raptors

[tawdry tree]

If your switches are prelubed which I assume they are then there can be a bit of lube on the top housing. If you stick tape directly on lube it won’t stick well obviously.

[odd grail]

Can't. It's a wooting

[peak geode]

is ur pfp tom platz?

[quick gulch]

Unless you can’t get them imported. That would be very unlucky

[quick gulch]

Naturally

[peak geode]

good man.

[odd grail]

I thought it would have stuck evern better

[peak geode]

and you can

[quick gulch]

The feathering

[odd grail]

We will find out

[quick gulch]

Is too much

[tawdry tree]

Jades and Raptors are compatible with Wooting, but the tape mod does seem to have a slightly different sound profile.

[peak geode]

theres plenty of builds that use the jades

[odd grail]

Box jades?

[peak geode]

hell im about to do it

[tawdry tree]

No, absolutely not.

[quick gulch]

Majong jades

[peak geode]

gateron magnetic jades

majongs

[odd grail]

I already bought switches, we're in too deep now

I got Gateron magnetic oranges

[peak geode]

so true. uncrowned king

[odd grail]

When I looked, those were the only switches that were available

[peak geode]

ahh

[tawdry tree]

Alright, those are Lekkers too. 😉

[peak geode]

i just like how jades sound tbh

[odd grail]

Honestly they sound really good, but the return ping is kinda rough

[odd grail]

Lmao yeah, they're magnetic. Does Lekker mean something else?

oooh

jades are different

omg they have a little thing on the button to absorb the sound

I swear these didn't exist when I made my purchase

[tawdry tree]

No, I mean Wooting’s Lekker Switches and the KS-20 Orange Switches are identical, so don’t expect a difference in performance or sound.

[quick gulch]

Look at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter

[odd grail]

It does to me ;~;

[tawdry tree]

Could be, Jades are rather new.

[peak geode]

https://youtu.be/285WVTdwvDM?si=3SKamhIhFin3kdDq

[quick gulch]

But if you’re about to spend 5+ hours taping switches for chatter

[peak geode]

theres a video talking about ur options

[quick gulch]

Id just buy new ones

[peak geode]

pretty solid ngl

^^^

[odd grail]

I mean like that's great but y'girl does not have money

I do however have money for tape

[peak geode]

damn thats fair

tape cheap

[odd grail]

college

[peak geode]

same bru

:((

[peak geode]

u lift brother?

[odd grail]

Wait are the jades like, tactile? I just started watching the video

[polar girder]

Linear

No tactile HE yet

[quick gulch]

Not as much as Tom 😦

[odd grail]

Wait so like what does it mean by the click mechanism?

I cannot hide the bar. Sorry

[polar girder]

Idk

[tawdry tree]

There is but not compatible with Wooting yet sadly..

[tawdry tree]

That’s for a tactile bump.

Which doesn’t come with the switch.

[odd grail]

Wait, so they're like, optionally tactile?

I'm so confused

[tawdry tree]

Yes, kinda. 😂

[odd grail]

tf?

That's so wild

[tawdry tree]

I’m not sure if Gateron sells that separately though.

[odd grail]

I'm a linear girl so I'm not too worried about it

[tawdry tree]

Most won’t care about tactile

Only me.. 🥲

[odd grail]

xD

[odd grail]

Okay honestly even with all of these they kinda have the same issue with the sound that I was talking about, where the return of the stem hitting the top housing is just like, cringe?

I have no idea how to explain this, I think I have high expectations

[polar girder]

Yeah maybe the secret is the magnet

Extra bulk

Need a high power thin lightweight magnet?

[harsh dove]

Alright, Mr. Wooting… I’m on my way home… if this PC Plate is white… we’re gonna have some circumstances

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think the loudness on the upstroke of magnetic switches is because of the magnet, probably just the design. But that’s why you wanted to tape mod yours right? For now there are no silent versions of magnetic switches but that will hopefully change soon..

[tawdry tree]

🤞

[normal schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[harsh dove]

Logically speaking, the upstroke has to do with the plastic stem hitting the top of the plastic housing and in theory, a stronger spring aka heavier spring is going to emphasize this as it’s applying more force on the way back up.

Hence why the switch tape mod was made

[odd grail]

Yeah it's definitely a universal thing, and 100% the motivation on why I'm modding them.

I think, and I could be wrong, but I think that because there's a magnet in the stem housing, it gives it greater weight and therefore inertia when it goes back up. So because it's hitting the top housing with greater force, it's making a louder noise.

I am however not an engineer, or sound technician, so this is just a theory

[polar girder]

The magnet is the big variable in HE switches

Makes sense

[odd grail]

mhm

[harsh dove]

Just overlube your switches and problem solved

Stems should be swimming in 205

and blowing lube bubbles

https://tenor.com/view/milk-shake-kelis-drink-sip-bring-boys-to-the-yard-gif-5490587

[odd grail]

I hate this

I hate this so much omg

[harsh dove]

Lmao

[tawdry tree]

Yes. I’d really like to see a silent magnetic switch variant.

[tawdry tree]

There are many non magnetic switches with a loud upstroke as well but for those there are silent variants too.

[odd grail]

interesting

Idk, this seems like something that someone qualified should investigate so they can make better sounding switches.

Im' just chillin'

[harsh dove]

Just stuff your case with foam if you want muted switches lol

Put foam everywhere

[odd grail]

Hear me out:

Foam keycaps

[harsh dove]

There ya go

Ez

[odd grail]

Not foam in the keycaps, foam keycaps

[harsh dove]

Yeah I hear you

1000%

Make it happen

[odd grail]

Hell yeah

[median spade]

Foam plus ceramic keycaps

Won’t hear anything

[fluid ravine]

it better be black

[harsh dove]

Idk why I first read this as “it’s better to be black”

Lmao

[fluid ravine]

lmao

I am conFUSion
Americaa explainnn

duo always says that when somethin doesnt make sense lmao

[harsh dove]

It’s still out for delivery surprisingly

[fluid ravine]

uh oh

[harsh dove]

But UPS usually delivers this late so

Still waiting

[fluid ravine]

aight aight

you home rn?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[fluid ravine]

[harsh dove]

Should’ve got 2 black pc plates tbh

[fluid ravine]

y 2

one for he and he+

?

[harsh dove]

Yep

[fluid ravine]

ic

[tawdry tree]

Nah, white plate white jades and black plate with raptors. 💯

[upbeat topaz]

I feel urge to buy cerakeys for 60he

[quiet bay]

I mean...they do produce a nice sound

rn I'm sweating on Google Slides with my wooting tho

[harsh dove]

Kinda like this set

[uncut musk]

W

[devout torrent]

I have this on my board

[harsh dove]

Oh nice! I would've kept regular Enter and backspace personally but I would've done the accents the same as you

[devout torrent]

Yeah it has a lot of nice options

[bleak steeple]

hey guys got a question, has anyone put switch pads on there wooting builds? if so, does it affect the performance?

[peak geode]

^^^

[quick gulch]

There’s no performance to lose, unless you have interference. Anyway switch pads will compress and have no impact on travel

[bleak steeple]

ah okay perfect, yeah im looking to get this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FDZPVTW?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1 and was wondering, im gonna get the foam ones but they had an option of .5mm and 1mm so im assuming there wouldnt be an issue going with the 1mm version?

[peak geode]

what about sound?

never used switch pads before

[bleak steeple]

switch pads are used for sound dampening

or i guess changing the sound profile a bit

thats why im gonna do em on my build

[quick gulch]

Just sounds dampening really

[bleak steeple]

yes yes

[quick gulch]

Gives that marble sound, I guess that’s what people call it

[bleak steeple]

thanks for answering the question i had, its gonna be my first time building a board

[quick gulch]

Anyway, yea it’s fine or should be fine

Pe will compress a lot

[bleak steeple]

so will the poron too id assume

[median spade]

Made my board spazz out so don’t recommend personally

[bleak steeple]

im going with the poron switch pads

[quick gulch]

Oh really?

[bleak steeple]

ouu yikes

[quick gulch]

How thick?

[bleak steeple]

^^

[median spade]

Super thin

[bleak steeple]

like

how thin

1mm?

[quick gulch]

What happened

[bleak steeple]

.5mm?

[median spade]

.5mm easily

But the switches would activate over and over

Till I removed it

[bleak steeple]

hmm

[quick gulch]

There’s interesting

You’re at worst increasing the distance between the magnet and the sensor

By a small amount

[median spade]

Also tried the kbdfans thin sheet that came with standoff and plate kit

[bleak steeple]

i think ill give it a test and put some pads on a few and plug and play with it, if it spazes itll save me the trouble of putting them all down

[median spade]

Same thing

[quick gulch]

I mean they’re cheap af so might as well try

[bleak steeple]

thats true

[quick gulch]

But that’s interesting

[bleak steeple]

i just wont set them on all at first

ill just put two or three on just to see

[median spade]

This thing

[bleak steeple]

when my module gets here ill give you all an update

o

thats now

not

[median spade]

I tried this and switch pads

[bleak steeple]

what we were talking about

[median spade]

Same result on both

[quick gulch]

I’ve seen people use pe foam on yt

[bleak steeple]

thats probably why

[quick gulch]

Yea that’s the same thing pretty much

[bleak steeple]

oh

[median spade]

Like the one you linked on Amazon was same thing

[quick gulch]

Just a cut sheet instead of pads

[bleak steeple]

ohhhh i see.

[median spade]

Might try again with a couple keys but yeah

[quick gulch]

Where did you find a sheet

Or does it come with the board

Wait

[median spade]

This came with plate from kbdfans for wooting

[quick gulch]

That’s not for the wooting right

Oh nvm

It would be

Those led cutouts look like they would be for it

[median spade]

Yeah it matched up perfectly

[quick gulch]

Wonder why yours didn’t work well

Kbd wouldn’t offer it if they hadn’t tested it

[median spade]

Let me go put it on again because why not

[quick gulch]

It would be a waste of money for them

[bleak steeple]

thats true

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FDZPVTW?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

also

oops

[quick gulch]

I’d go with .5 btw

If you do buy

[bleak steeple]

ah yes i figured thats probably the safest option

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lp_kJNGPyI

[quick gulch]

I think that’s the size kbd fans gives

[bleak steeple]

im doing the same mods this dude did to his cuz i like the sound

[median spade]

Keep in mind that is a phone mic

So won’t be accurate at all really

[bleak steeple]

ohh i see

well i mean, i just want a smoother sound, so i hope these mods are decent enough for a semi thock sound]

i hate the sound profile of the keeb i have rn

(cries in steelseries shitty software with apex pro tkl that ive had for a couple of years now)

so i think anything would be an upgrade tbh

[median spade]

Seems to be working this time with that sheet

no sound difference tho

I probably just didn't install it right before

[median spade]

Are you planning on getting the tofu case as well?

[bleak steeple]

i did not, i decided to just go with the alumaze case

[median spade]

Alright youll want a pc plate too

for as close to thock as possible

[bleak steeple]

yeee im aware, thats why i got the module

and ill be switching the silicone insert to the poron one

[median spade]

wrong one one second

[bleak steeple]

LOL alr

[median spade]

what switches are you going for btw

the lekkers?

[bleak steeple]

yeah, i decided the lekkers

i went with the L45;s, but im waititng

[median spade]

This was raptors and they're higher pitched but yeah

[bleak steeple]

til better switches come out in the future

[bleak steeple]

its still sounds good

better than what im playing on rn

so much wobble in my apex pro tkl...

it sucks

[median spade]

best sound i've gotten out of mine was in a frog mini case, but I hate that's it silver so I'm not using it anymore

[harsh dove]

I’ve been invited to the dark side

[fluid ravine]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

ITS BEAUTIFUL

@quiet bay ROOK!

ROOK!

[quiet bay]

ooOoooooOOO

Black Pc Plate

segsy

[tawdry tree]

Lekker switches are quite literally identical. 🤣

[heady terrace]

what mods?

[median spade]

Nothing but a Pom plate and tx stabs in a frog mini

Stock jades

[heady terrace]

wtf thats crazy

[median spade]

Dats nice, does it feel any different from the white one?

[harsh dove]

Feels better cause its black

[median spade]

💯

[fluid ravine]

I FEEL THE FORCE

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[bleak steeple]

ehhh, well, i’ve had the apex pro tkl for a couple of years so 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think usage increases wobble. 😂

[bleak steeple]

okay? i didn’t know it was humanly possible for ppl who build keebs to have egos,

so to that, i say respectfully fuck you🤣🤣

[fluid ravine]

[quick gulch]

Raptors are stupidly tight it was hard to open some

[bleak steeple]

i’m not usually rude but i heavily dislike arrogant people

[tawdry tree]

Where the heck did that come from? You’re offended I said that the Apex Pro and Wooting share the same switch??

[bleak steeple]

it’s the way you said it and the way it came off👍🏼

[tawdry tree]

In which dimension is that considered rude?

[bleak steeple]

just came off hella arrogant

🤷‍♂️

[fluid ravine]

me with my 5th grade reading

[tawdry tree]

That’s how you interpret what I said.

[tawdry tree]

.

[bleak steeple]

well yeah, as if you’re laughing at someone not knowing as much about things. especially as a first interaction, isn’t that kind of a dick thing to do? anyways i’m not here to argue about it lol, sorry i guess but you just gave off an arrogant tone

if you don’t see that, that in and of itself is a bit concerning

anyways, cya dude

[tawdry tree]

I miss read what you wrote, I thought u were comparing lekkers to omni points but u were not.

so I can see why my message came off as rude

didn’t mean it to be rude

[tawdry tree]

take care!

[granite blaze]

My tracking number just says processing but the shop app says it shouldve arrived today at 8pm latest? confused

[bleak steeple]

yeah it’s okay, i’m sorry for my words too, i’m not one to start altercations usually but i don’t like others who think they’re better than others or seem to give off an ‘ego’. i appreciate the apology and im sorry for those things on my end! have a good night or day, whichever it is

[devout torrent]

Shop app is super inaccurate

[granite blaze]

lmao i can tell

[harsh dove]

I wasn’t gonna do it tonight but..

We’ve started the process

This is the before photo

See yall in a bit

[devout torrent]

What case is this?

[harsh dove]

Salvation

Okay, first notice, stab tolerances are noticeably tighter

Literally no wiggle

[tawdry tree]

Compared to steel plate?

[harsh dove]

Compared to white pc plate

[tawdry tree]

Is it not the same mold?

TX stabs fit neither of mine.

[harsh dove]

I’d imagine it’s the exact same mold, they just feel tighter when I put my stabs in and have less wiggle than the white one

[tawdry tree]

Ah I see

[harsh dove]

I will admit, this plate would also look sick with Raptors

Or Lekker45s

[harsh dove]

Nah yours doesn’t look good

Has to be in mine

[tawdry tree]

😂😂😂

[median spade]

Why you do north facing if no rgb (I know there is no interference but still)

[harsh dove]

Cause it literally doesn't matter lol

[median spade]

But you’re already using GMK so might as well go extra step anyways

North facing just feels and looks wrong can never do it myself

[harsh dove]

They change the tolerances , they don't feel any different

[median spade]

I meant feel in the spiritual sense like it just feels wrong to me haha

[harsh dove]

Oh lmao

I get you

I had them south facing at one point

but I think when I got raptors I went back to north to test out RGB on them

[tall rain]

For the alumaze and any other compatible case, do you just need the two standoffs on each side? I’m not sure if the one near the middle and the one near the bottom right are optional or not

[languid kestrel]

I salute the effort hahaha

[bronze grove]

Depends on the PCB

60HE doesn't use the center one at all. The one near the spacebar I would install.

[tall rain]

Cool thx

[valid sun]

Are the LEDs on the two he south facing ?

[bronze grove]

No.

We use north facing for all of our keyboards.

[valid sun]

Alright thanks

Is there a reason why ?

[bronze grove]

Because north facing is the industry standard, and is how almost every set of keycaps that have backlighting is designed.

[valid sun]

Fair enough

[static tendon]

Looks amazing

[harsh dove]

Thank you

[static tendon]

lol I'll also be doing North facing with GMK caps. The lighting nicer

[static tendon]

Got any top angle pics with caps on?

[harsh dove]

No but here’s a quick one lol

[static tendon]

Looks cleaner this way for sure. Since I'm going for more of a white theme I'm sticking to the white PC plate but yours really works well with the black

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-1242852755589233352

[static tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

Anyone know of any good 48X24inch (1200x600mm) mousepads that aren't white or black and have good design choices?

[loud zephyr]

I think the most common size for mousepads with patters/illustrations are around 900x600mm. The larger ones tend to be from gamer brands and cost a bit more. My go to store when my sweat gear has disintegrated: https://ausmodshop.com/collections/mouse-pads?pf_t_mouse_pad_size=MOUSEPADSIZE-1000x500mm&pf_t_mouse_pad_size=MOUSEPADSIZE-1200x550mm&pf_t_mouse_pad_size=MOUSEPADSIZE-1220x550mm

[static tendon]

I appreciate the link, they do have some larger sizes like what I'm aiming for but their designs are a bit limited in those sizes unfortunately. Looks like a neat site though

[loud zephyr]

Nah, what I've filtered is their largest

[static tendon]

I kinda want some crazy design like this

[loud zephyr]

Max gaming maybe

oh cool

[static tendon]

But it has to be in 48x24 or larger

[loud zephyr]

yeah that's gonna be a hard find at that size

[static tendon]

I can't imagine downsizing my current mousepad, I love the way it looks just not a fan of the texture

Yeah so far there's one site that I found named inkedgaming and they do custom mousepads and they have that large size. It's overwhelming with choices LOL but still not exactly a design i'd go for

[loud zephyr]

I wasn't expecting something so detailed, that's crazy

[static tendon]

Maybe if I can find some cool design in like some 8k format I would upload and just buy it there. I've been eyeing it for a while

[loud zephyr]

I'm sure there must be some company who can make custom ones. I wish this was larger

https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/1400/48551a186857005.657c80bdf0575.jpg

glass though I think, eeww

[static tendon]

This company does but not sure what design i'd even go for https://www.inkedgaming.com/products/cyberpunk-street-extended-mousepad?variant=42576796123336

Mongraal used to use it back in the day. So it seems legit

[bronze grove]

[loud zephyr]

I see what you mean, they over 200 pages of options lul

[static tendon]

Yeah exactly, but they do custom as well. I could upload something

[loud zephyr]

you don't feel the uneven x/y smoothness with these type of mousepads? the 2 I've tried drove me bananas

[static tendon]

This company makes a 55X27inch version. Largest i've ever seen https://argonpads.com/products/argonpads-customs?variant=42403910090995

Custom pads as well, will run me about 70$ to purchase off here

[static tendon]

No, not at all. At least not from mine, i've used it for years now. But the texture is rough

[loud zephyr]

proabably skill issue and placebo on my part

[loud zephyr]

yeah that's pricey but sounds about right

[static tendon]

This texture here does drive me nuts though

It's not like a normal pad, it's got this "Control" rough texture that I was never a fan of

[quick gulch]

Just need artisan to make a deskpad

[static tendon]

Agreed

If I could I would legit just get a mousepad large enough to fill my entire desk

[quick gulch]

I like resting my forearm on mousepad but I’ve grown to not care

[loud zephyr]

I thought about buying this then noticed the drawings on the skulls bottom left look so bad, compared to the rest. sadge https://inkwellkeys.com/shop/ols/products/hellsgate_international

[quick gulch]

Yea I used to be like that but I enjoy my desk now, I guess since it’s nice wood

Just hate the sound of typing into wood

[static tendon]

Yeah i'm like that as well, most of it will look good except a corner or something steering me away

[quick gulch]

And I don’t really like my little kb mat because footprint sizes differ

[static tendon]

Oh yeah same here

I like the aesthetic and feel of larger mousepads. I still go fully off my mousepads in games. I need to lift off more

[quick gulch]

The skulls are cute

[static tendon]

This mousepad is huge

[shy latch]

fjell + stock l60 + base fjell foam + half of the foam from the base wooting foam = best stock upgrade

you do need to remove the top half to fit it properly for the stock wooting foam. With these its already VERY good stock, originally I wanted to buy geonwork and franken it but honestly it sounds good with the double foam

[mental salmon]

Was the switch for the spacebar a little bit loose in your white PC plate? I noted that but only for the spacebar

[lilac edge]

Would changing the base plastic plate to a metal one improve with make the wooting 2HE quieter?

[bronze grove]

If you could fabricate one? It would definitely CHANGE it.

[twin marsh]

what are the differences between l60 and l45 switches

[bronze grove]

About 15g of pressure weight.

[grave thistle]

Love these YUNZII after lubing their Black switches the damp crunch hits right in my spot 😭

[mental salmon]

Thanks for your suggestion about the picture for the CS email, black PC plate was shipped

[bronze grove]

[harsh dove]

Like the switch for the spacebar?

[stable kindle]

Day#4 of wooting delaying my module again and me crying

[devout torrent]

its worth the wait

[stable kindle]

its worth all these tears?

[devout torrent]

yes

[stable kindle]

dont tell me you got yours already

[polar girder]

Module delivery Monday

[devout torrent]

I've had my wooting for months

but did not get module

[polar girder]

Let’s get it

[stable kindle]

blocked

[polar girder]

Yo shrimp. Why whining?

[novel yoke]

are there any sound tests between the scilicon and poron pad?

[stable kindle]

blocked

[polar girder]

Good call

[polar girder]

Plate foam or switch pad?

[stable kindle]

@devout torrentdo any mods?

[devout torrent]

freebird60 case, jade switches, o ring mount, tx ap plate stabs, mlv foam instead of stock foam

also had tape modded my lekkers for a while but the jades are overall better

[stable kindle]

even after the tape mod?

in what way

[novel yoke]

the sandwhich pad

[devout torrent]

they just sound a bit better

[stable kindle]

ahh gotcha, what about feel?

[devout torrent]

they are way less wobbly

so that is a big part

I am gonna wait for KS-20U and get some of thoise too

see if tthey are goodr

[stable kindle]

hmm kk thanks for the info from personal experience

since i got the lekkers for $20 with the module

i guess ill just keep em and wait to see if the KS-20U is that much better

[polar girder]

Yeah I want more switch released

Can’t wait to slap these franken raptors in the module next week tho

[harsh dove]

Module coming early

Said Feb 2nd yesterday

[peak geode]

niceee

[harsh dove]

Foam for thock, silicon for mute

[solid heart]

Herro. I just ordered a Wooting Two HE. I'm a bit worried that the sound of the keys will be too loud. Is there any way to make the kb quieter if needed?

[sharp yew]

module arrives on the 5th

[novel yoke]

mute meaning its silenter on all tones?

[harsh dove]

Yessir

[agile grove]

yes

left side seems more rattly

right side might be fine

[bitter granite]

hi just got my module having trouble working out where im meant to use the included silicone spacers and which screws i need to use.. putting it into a tofu redux for context

[uncut musk]

ups delayed me by a day unfortunately

[agile grove]

1. you put the silicone rings on the standoffs/where the PCB meets the standoffs. 2. you use every screw except the middle (the 60he doesnt even use the middle). 3. make sure you install the brass standoff in the bottom hole by the spacebar.

[tame vessel]

I thought the brass standoff at the bottom was optional?

[agile grove]

technically but theres not reason not to install it

the stock case uses that hole so

[bitter granite]

Like this? I actually put it here before asking cause it seemed right but didn't want to make a mistake

[bronze grove]

Yep, exactly.

[bitter granite]

nice thanks and i use the standoofs that came with the redux?

[tame vessel]

Ah gotcha, ty

[bitter granite]

or just bottom one

[agile grove]

wdym? yes install the brass standoff into the bottom hole. you use all the screws.

dont install the standoff in the middle the 60he doesnt use that one

[bitter granite]

ok got it

[harsh dove]

I’d also say the spacebar screw is optional as well tbh

Really just need the 4 screws, 2 on each side

[agile grove]

yea

but imo no reason not to install it

[harsh dove]

I only use two screws on my board

In the salvation

[uncut musk]

cam getting daring

[harsh dove]

Well the salvation only uses two

[agile grove]

rookie numbers, im planning on using zero

[harsh dove]

Lmao

[azure jacinth]

Can I “Burger-Mod” my Module with the included screws? Or will I need slightly larger screws? Seeing conflicting info :d

[harsh dove]

Friction mount ?

[agile grove]

ye

[harsh dove]

Can use included screws

I’ve done it with them

[azure jacinth]

Okay thank you! Module comes Saturday want everything prepped

[stray tiger]

Morning gents.

[bronze grove]

https://tenor.com/view/geralt-of-rivia-the-witcher-gwent-gif-18992402

[obsidian dagger]

👋

[tame vessel]

Should I be concerned about the PCB bumping up against standoffs if I friction mount in a tofu redux?

[uncut musk]

Tmr is the day

[azure jacinth]

I went the module route with a tofu redux case and wanted to know what you guys recommend for case foam as I won’t have the stock wooting foam?

[agile grove]

the module comes with case foam

just use that

[azure jacinth]

Oh okay sweet so no need for any polyfill or anything

[upbeat fern]

foam or silicone pad what should I use?

[agile grove]

no need for it but I would actually recommend polyfill since its really cheap

[agile grove]

what sound profile are you going for? (thock or clack)

[azure jacinth]

along with foam or to replace foam entirely?

[agile grove]

to replace foam entirely

[upbeat fern]

thocky

[agile grove]

foam pad

[upbeat fern]

ok ty

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-coffee-good-morning-caffeine-need-coffee-gif-15089710

[hidden mantle]

If I were to pursue modding my keyboard in the future, how important would the 60HE+ compare to the 60HE. I have no idea what a screw-in stabilizer is

[devout torrent]

https://mechkeys.com/products/gateron-ks-20u?_pos=1&_sid=230f4fcab&_ss=r&variant=44792748343519

mechkeys has the ks-20u

[bronze grove]

Then you probably won't care.

[hidden mantle]

Ok thanks!

[devout torrent]

TX AP plate stabs are good enough tbh if you decide to swap the stock ones out later

so not the biggest deal

[agile grove]

I've heard there really isnt a big enough difference between TX AP plate mount and stock to justified getting new stabs

wooting's stock stabs have all been bangers tbh, they just might need a little lube

[devout torrent]

yeah they arent bad at all

I had some laying around so used those

[hidden mantle]

Thanks for all the advice!

[harsh dove]

Doesn’t Wooting basically use Gateron Stabs?

[bitter granite]

Quite happy with how it turned out shame my camera sucks so much

[uncut musk]

w

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think TX plate mounted fit the stock plate.

[tawdry tree]

❤️

[agile grove]

@stray tiger and/or @harsh dove you should get these and do a sound test

[marsh olive]

What do the silicon and the foam for the 60HE module do for the sound?

Anyone have any examples?

[stray tiger]

I already have them on order 🙂

[marsh olive]

and what type of screw in stabs do I get for the spacebar for the Jades?

[agile grove]

that was quick

[marsh olive]

as mentioned in #🪛│modding_faq

[harsh dove]

Buying these rn

[agile grove]

just use the stock ones

if you have issues then buy TX AP long pole stabs

[marsh olive]

Gotcha, and I’ll only be applying them for the spacebar only? Or the other keys that use stabs as well?

[agile grove]

im not sure

but like I said just use the stock ones unless you have issue

[tame vessel]

The issue of jades and stab compatibility seems a lot more uncommon than that one post initially implied

[tawdry tree]

It is.

[marsh olive]

Is O-ring compression mount worth it or should I just go with the burger mount?

[tame vessel]

I think the friction mount is worth it for sound

[uncut musk]

going to have to use some old clone keycaps i have had for a while, never found a place to buy the gmk amethyst(way past its gb), will probably end up getting some set with white alphas and dark shade of purple accents

[stray tiger]

Friction mount is a little more effort/risk but higher reward. You get a smoother more consistent sound in the end.

[potent holly]

What are some of the best switches for wooting?

[halcyon sparrow]

@stray tiger hey! Have you tried custom stabs or lubing? Which would you recommend if you had to choose only one?

[halcyon sparrow]

#🪛│modding_faq message everything you need to know about he switches

[potent holly]

Thanks

[stray tiger]

They arent independent of each other. 95% of the time any stabilizer can be tuned to sound great so I always go for that option when possible. This video is my go to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHb6CJc9V8

[halcyon sparrow]

Thanks! I'll check it out.

[potent holly]

Would you recommend using a 3rd party switch?

[halcyon sparrow]

I truly depends on your needs and wants from the board

[potent holly]

I just want something that sounds good

[halcyon sparrow]

I bought lekker 45s because they actuated earlier then raptors but I was looking at maybe Jades instead

[stray tiger]

The actuation should be the same between the L45's and Raptors, but the force required would be less with the L45's

[halcyon sparrow]

For sound I would go online and check what people have built, to be honest thought the fact that the switches are all linear hall effect I would think other factors would affect sound such as lube, case, and foam or plate swap but don't quote me on the switches they could have different sounding ones

[halcyon sparrow]

Exactly my bad

@stray tiger Btw do Jades have even less?

[potent holly]

Will getting a 60he instead of 60he+ affect any of those

[stray tiger]

No difference for sound

[halcyon sparrow]

Costum stabs?

[stray tiger]

I think they have an initial force of 30g roughly

[halcyon sparrow]

Hm interesting thanks

[potent holly]

Are custom stabs recommended?

[halcyon sparrow]

Tbh I don't like the sound of my factor ones...

[stray tiger]

Properly lubed/tuned stabs sound great regardless.

[halcyon sparrow]

But I can lube them like thockfather said

^

[agile grove]

no

[stray tiger]

Not recommended but you can change the stabs with all of the HE boards

[potent holly]

Why not recommended?

[halcyon sparrow]

It's actually funny I went into the build disregarding sound but it turned out to sound so nice that I figured taking the extra inch to perfect it

[agile grove]

I dont have a syringe... or lube

[halcyon sparrow]

Get one lol

[agile grove]

doesnt change anything

[stray tiger]

Why recommend something thats not needed? Wooting (or me personally) never suggest you spend money you dont need to spend.

[halcyon sparrow]

Order ask someone who does to do it

[agile grove]

stock stabs are great

[potent holly]

I’d just like to make the keyboard sound as good as possible

[stray tiger]

Not required, just helpful but even buying new stabs you would still want to properly lube them

[halcyon sparrow]

He's right^ @potent holly

[devout torrent]

does it count as modding if its fw modding

[stray tiger]

Thats going to take a little learning, effort, and time. Buying new stabs wont change that

[agile grove]

ye my buddy has the lube and tools so when he comes down we'll do it together. gonna be running stock lekkers and stabs for a little while tho.

[halcyon sparrow]

Tbh the largest effect seems to be place, lube, and foam, and case, the rest are marginal

[agile grove]

dont forget mounting style

[potent holly]

Ok I think I’ll swap then

[agile grove]

and replace foam with dampener

[halcyon sparrow]

It'll take longer

[potent holly]

Since I can keep default stabs

[halcyon sparrow]

Wait

I'm wrong

I misread it

[stray tiger]

If its your first 60HE I think thats a great choice. Get it early and enjoy it

[potent holly]

Alr

Thanks

[halcyon sparrow]

For the added foam that came with the module does it feel a lot squishier? I don't want to add flex just for sound

[bitter valve]

Ah, few more days and I’m taking a sick day to mod😂

[uncut musk]

nah fr im so hyped

[tawdry tree]

@stray tiger stabilizer compatibility list in #🪛│modding_faq would be good.

[bitter valve]

I’m ready to be disappointed with my modding skills

[stray tiger]

If you still have the urge to replace your stabilizers, be sure to select quality plate-mount stabilizers for the 60HE v1 (screw-in and clip-in stabilizers are only supported on the 60HE module). Additionally, be sure your new stabs include a 6.25u size spacebar wire and are for 1.6mm thick PCB's.

Probably need to rename module to 60HE+ or something though

fixed

[halcyon sparrow]

I think it's 60he plus module

[halcyon sparrow]

@stray tiger any input

[agile grove]

you should remove the module entirely

so its just "(screw-in and clip-in stabilizers are only supported on the 60HE+)"

[grim steppe]

Hello. What screw-in stabilizers do you recommend for use with Gateron Magnetic Jade switches?

I am buying HE+ keyboard (not module)

[agile grove]

the stock ones

[stray tiger]

stock ones

[grim steppe]

I am buying HE+ keyboard (not module)

[halcyon sparrow]

Lube seems to be the key

[tawdry tree]

I mean stabilizer compatibility with Wooting’s switch plates. https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1202064549092794378

[grim steppe]

But stock ones are not screw-in…

[agile grove]

then TX AP stabs

[halcyon sparrow]

@grim steppe They come build in

[tawdry tree]

They are, I think.

[agile grove]

they arent.

[tawdry tree]

Those don’t fit.

[agile grove]

are you listening to what this guy is saying lol?

[harsh dove]

Depends on if you get the module or if you get the fully built 60HE+

Module comes with screw in stabs installed

Fully built does not, it comes with plate mount

[halcyon sparrow]

@grim steppe I just asked about stabs and most people said just lube factory ones for the best sound

[tawdry tree]

The 60HE+ comes with plate mounted stabs even though it has holes for screw ins?

[harsh dove]

Yes

[grim steppe]

Yes

[agile grove]

he said he's getting the 60he+, which comes with plate mount with support for screw in.

[uncut musk]

@harsh dove has it arived yet?

[tawdry tree]

Oh

[harsh dove]

If you get the module standalone

[tawdry tree]

Why

[harsh dove]

Then you gets screw ins

Asking the wrong people

[halcyon sparrow]

Probably had the best price maybe

[tawdry tree]

I thought calder said all the 60HE+ would get screw ins.

[harsh dove]

No

I’ll show you on website

[agile grove]

im assuming the only reason they changed the PCB was to make it so they didnt have to produce 2 PCBs, no reason to swap to screw in for the prebuilt.

[tawdry tree]

You mean for ANSI and ISO?

[bronze grove]

The 60HE+ PCB has SUPPORT for screw in, because it's literally the PCB from the module.
But unlike the module, it doesn't come with any of the module extras.

[tawdry tree]

Oh wow..

[harsh dove]

Basically now all their pcbs support screw ins

But they don’t all come with screw ins

[tawdry tree]

Yeah I understand that but I thought then it’d come with screw ins as well.

[bronze grove]

Nope. Just support for it, as a side effect of obsoleting the "old" PCB.

[harsh dove]

Yep yep

[harsh dove]

Not yet

[uncut musk]

soon

100%

[harsh dove]

Yeah it’s out for delivery

[tawdry tree]

That’s quite odd as the screw in PCBs are different for ANSI and ISO whereas the non screw in PCBs were the same for ANSI and ISO.

[bronze grove]

Hmm? No we've always had ISO and ANSI be physically different from each other.

[harsh dove]

I’m looking forward to these KS20u switches but my guess is they’ll just have reduced stem wobble and same sound as Lekkers and raptors

Yeah the PCBs are different regardless

[agile grove]

take lekkers and remove the chatter. there you go.

[grim steppe]

Okay. What “default” set of mods would you recommend for Wooting 60HE+ ready-to-use keyboard?
I have already bought Magnetic Jade switches
I am going to buy Tofu60 Redux + weight bar + fr4 plate
What should I add?😁

[agile grove]

raptors sounded too unique, they'll probably sound more like jades without that bottom out clack.

[tawdry tree]

The 60HE non + PCB was used in both ANSI and ISO no? Just talking about the PCB here not assembled.

[harsh dove]

Raptors don’t sound unique at all to me

Jades sound unique

Raptors sound like Lekkers

[bronze grove]

Same bare PCB for both ISO and ANSI, after being soldered no.

Same is the case for the + variant.

[tawdry tree]

Yes that’s what I mean.

[teal parcel]

Are they still not on Ali?

[harsh dove]

They on mechkeys

I ordered already

[agile grove]

personally I disagree, raptors sounded more clacky imo. jades fs are unique, but they sorta sound like lekkers without chatter but the close bottom sorta changes it up.

[halcyon sparrow]

Possibly lube for stabs if you want to take the extra mile for your larger keys

[harsh dove]

Raptors are more clacky, I’ve said this too but if you listen to raptors vs Lekkers videos, it’s literally the same sound at a different pitch

Lekkers are just deeper

[agile grove]

ye

[harsh dove]

But it’s the exact same sound

[agile grove]

I guess

[harsh dove]

Calder has said this too

[tawdry tree]

The ANSI and ISO 60HE+ PCB is different, that’s what I meant.

[harsh dove]

From his review of raptors

[bronze grove]

No?

[grim steppe]

Okay, thanks

[tawdry tree]

Yes, man.

[bronze grove]

Alright - Enlighten me. How is the PCB different?

[agile grove]

all HE switches sorta sound the same just different pitches (jades sound diff cuz of closed bottom otherwise they would sound just like lekkers)

[harsh dove]

Yeah basically

[tawdry tree]

Screw holes for the stabs.

[bronze grove]

Are the same on both ANSI and ISO?

[harsh dove]

None of them sound completely different from each other except the Jades because of what you stated @agile grove

[halcyon sparrow]

Tbh you check a lot of boxes with this build if you really want to squeeze out all options, possibly case foam or some sort of tap mod and a mat to put under your keyboard would affect sound

[harsh dove]

That’s why I think the KS20u will sound similar too

[crimson sky]

Nope

[bronze grove]

[crimson sky]

Not like it makes a difference

[tawdry tree]

No man

[austere creek]

the only difference is iso doesnt have left shift stabs and enter stab rotation

[crimson sky]

Enter and left shift stab holes are different

[tawdry tree]

Yea

[bronze grove]

[agile grove]

im hoping the ks-20us sound deeper tho, that would be nice. tbh im just waiting for a really deep switch to pull the trigger because I dont think we're going to get out of that HE switch sound for a while.

[tawdry tree]

That is what I mean, my god..

[harsh dove]

lol yall running in circles

[austere creek]

actually

im not sure if they use different screw holes or extras

[tawdry tree]

Not anymore, now point is made.

[harsh dove]

Me too

[tawdry tree]

They are different nonetheless, the ANSI doesn’t have ISO holes.

[crimson sky]

They are clearly different in the images

Also does not have the additional switch positions

[austere creek]

yeh i was about to say the iso component spots are also gone

and vice versa

[crimson sky]

So has to not only use different drill files so entirely different layers

[agile grove]

I dont think we'll ever be free from the HE switch sound due to limitations, but its a good sound anyways so it doesnt really matter

[crimson sky]

Eh

The jades show that it can be massively reduced

[agile grove]

ye but you have to lower travel distance as a sacrifice of the closed bottom

[crimson sky]

Doesn't mean gateron couldn't engineer a 4mm travel closed bottom switch

[agile grove]

I mean I guess if they had a shorter stem?

[crimson sky]

Basically yea

[halcyon sparrow]

Has any switch made a synthetic actuation sound? As of they added a small bump in the housing? To emulate a cherry switch

[crimson sky]

Or different magnet position

What

Cherry switches don't necessarily are tactile

[halcyon sparrow]

My bad

[austere creek]

you mean clicky sounds

[lofty needle]

I love the jade sound

[crimson sky]

Also yea you can put ks-22 blue click leafs in a ks-20 switch

[halcyon sparrow]

Has any switch manufacturer make a tasticle options

He*

[crimson sky]

Tasticle options

[austere creek]

testicle?

[lofty needle]

LMAO

[halcyon sparrow]

JESUS

[crimson sky]

You can do that

[tawdry tree]

So my point being is that it seemed odd to me to use the 60HE+ PCBs for the 60HE if you’re gonna use plate mounted stabs anyway. Requiring 2 PCBs for what previously required 1.

[crimson sky]

Makes the switches tactile and clicky

[agile grove]

wouldnt be compatible if the magnet was in a diff position tho

[halcyon sparrow]

Yo my bad everyone

[lofty needle]

Testicle

[crimson sky]

Wouldn't be anyways

[agile grove]

what?

[austere creek]

well in the end the pcbs were still 2 pcbs... its just that instead of 2 different pcbs we made 1 and populated them differently

theres not much of a difference

and wed rather give people a future upgrade path than not

[crimson sky]

Used to be 2 pcbs anyways

[agile grove]

they switched the PCB to be the same so they werent producing a module PCB and a 60he PCB lol

[austere creek]

its actually 4 pcbs to 2 again

[crimson sky]

By the point that they are populated differently for 2 variations, both in the counts of thousands it basically does not make a difference unless you penny pinch to the extreme

[halcyon sparrow]

I wonder if any manufacturer would consider making a tactile HE switch***

[crimson sky]

Aka if you are in automotive

[halcyon sparrow]

Ik it takes away from the analog feature

[tawdry tree]

True

[crimson sky]

Topre has tactile rapid trigger

[bronze grove]

Let me put it this way - We are significantly more bottlenecked by actual board components, than the ability to produce twice as many PCBs of a different design.

[crimson sky]

Gl getting a gx1 tho

[bronze grove]

This simplifies manufacturing to some extent, and in particularly warranty.

[tawdry tree]

Makes sense.

[grim steppe]

Thanks

[austere creek]

i think so far we usually were capped by HE sensors we have on hand

cause its the most used component by far

[crimson sky]

He sensor manufacturers are prob making bank atm

[bronze grove]

At least in the sense of complexity. We have pretty specific and high requirements for tolerance on sensors.

[crimson sky]

I wonder if that impacted some random industry

[bronze grove]

They're not just simple on/off switches.

[crimson sky]

Ye obv

[harsh dove]

I was gonna say lol

Was actually 4

[tawdry tree]

Have you seen the ATK PCBAs? With seemingly no HE sensors anywhere to be found?

[bronze grove]

Somewhere out there, there's an AVR MCU manufacturer who regrets trying to scam us at a hilarious "no more in stock, pay 10x or more" tax.

lol nu, we ARM nao

[crimson sky]

[austere creek]

i thought they use led/he sensor combos

i saw some weird component like that on some pcb

[crimson sky]

Is that actually a thing lol

Might be ig

[tawdry tree]

Wait really?

[crimson sky]

Does the egg pcb do the same?

Ik 2 of their reps i could ask them to find out lol

[tawdry tree]

I asked many times #🔌│tech but no one knew.

[crimson sky]

Imma look at some pcbs later ig

[tawdry tree]

You can see a black thingy in the LEDs but it’s so tiny.

[crimson sky]

Ye i got images of an egg pcb somewhere

[devout torrent]

do you have pics of hte bottom of theb oard

cuz the sensor might be on bottom or something

[crimson sky]

They ain't on the bottom

Ik i looked at it before

[devout torrent]

I have a higround I can pull apart as well and look at

btw you can flash the firwmare from one board to another

I did it

[crimson sky]

And was confused

[crimson sky]

Yea they are just different versions of the same pcb lol

[austere creek]

you can literally see the sensor in the led

[devout torrent]

ye I am aware

but higround has no software

[crimson sky]

Was actually an issue on some oem mice

[devout torrent]

so flashing polar lets you use their softtware

takes a bit of work to get done

and slightly buggy

but works gerat

[tawdry tree]

Well I had never seen that before nor did I know it was possible. 😂

[crimson sky]

Where you could softbrick them by flashing random firmware on accident

[bronze grove]

Who needs warranty anyway 😄

[devout torrent]

you can semi brick it by doing this

but nothing irreversible

worst case I can flash back higrounds fw

[crimson sky]

Basically

[austere creek]

its the best assumption we also have based on:

• its possible
• theres no other reason for a black square in a led

[crimson sky]

Also 6 pin leds

[austere creek]

yeah

also somewhere there was rumors that this combo component has downsides due to excessive heat and powerdraw

as you combine 2 power hungry and heat producing things into a small package

instead of 2 sorta small packages

[devout torrent]

thats why they have the second version of the atk 68

[austere creek]

idk if those heat issue rumors are true though

my bet is on the sensors are just shite

[devout torrent]

now its ATK68 G and ATK 68 L

becuase of those problems

[bronze grove]

One would have to assume given how absolutely tiny they are.

[austere creek]

yeah it just leads to a lot of issues in general to minify smth that needs to give precision analog data

[tawdry tree]

I compared it to 60HE and didn’t notice a difference in actuation accuracy or RT.

Durability is impossible to test in a short time however.

[devout torrent]

set the brightness to vxe to 100% and wait a while and it starts to act up sometimes

the # of copy paste china HE boards is kinda crazy

[austere creek]

apparently long enough that the revised the pcb

[tawdry tree]

I used it for a 3-4 hours session with max LED brightness.

[devout torrent]

almost 60 HE boards on the market

[tawdry tree]

The my ATK is V10 and I believe the Endgame is V10 too.

The KG648U-GR is for the brand I assume

[devout torrent]

the only thing is higround ahs that weird floating actuation point

KG648U is the device ID

that htey use interally

[crimson sky]

Yes theirs is dated like 3 months earlier

[devout torrent]

in the fw configs yo ucan find it

<devices selected="KG647U">

[tawdry tree]

Firmware and software differs per brand I think.

ATK has the most and well working features

Endgame has only half and RT doesn’t work well

[devout torrent]

I think its less that it doesnt work wellb

but more the floating actuation point

that makes it feel weird

they did drop a fw update that fixed the depress latency already that optimum tech showed

but still floating AP is odd

[tawdry tree]

ATK doesn’t have that

[devout torrent]

yeah

it seems like gtech lets you choose how you wanna do it

up/down stroke settings

or actuation point setting

[tawdry tree]

actuation point is at the set actuation point and rapid trigger works after the actuation point is reached. Not like Endgame

[marsh olive]

What are the risks that come with the friction o-ring mount? Does the kb fall out of the case if it’s held upside down or something because it’s not screwed in?

[devout torrent]

even wuque studios boog75 uses a pcb from gtech

[devout torrent]

yeah ATK68 seems pretty solid for the priice I wanna try eventually

lots of the gtech boards are actually decent

higround is one of the worse ones for sure

mostluy because they refuse to release firmware updates

so you gotta DIY it

[tawdry tree]

It really is, build quality is great and features too.

[devout torrent]

I've heard build is quite similar to the polar65

and looks very similar

[tawdry tree]

Can’t really say anything about durability though.. 😂

[devout torrent]

even the alu frame + platsic bottom

yeah will be hard to say

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[devout torrent]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UXpywm8Gw9d0XL3ZKkrjhFsHNow-3tdBzFHZHhSbsSk/preview

btw I have been tracking as many boards as I can with a friend

we have a list here

shitton on the market

from gtech or shenzen yaya pretty much

mostly oem shit

I'm gonna upload the files to flash arbiter fw on higround later as well so you can use software with it

I relalyh wanted to do it to remap some keys but turns out you cant do that in the arbiter web app yet

and trying it on the old leaked desktop app semi bricks the board

[tawdry tree]

Sick

Thockfather has a list as well

[devout torrent]

oh nice

[tawdry tree]

You could compare both

See if either missed anything

[devout torrent]

@stray tiger we should combine efforst on HE board list maybe

[stray tiger]

? Im tracking 95% of the boards out there atm.

[devout torrent]

where's your list?

I've been doing a list with a friend also

[stray tiger]

Private 🙂

[devout torrent]

ah I see

[tawdry tree]

😂

[devout torrent]

would you want me to add you as editor to our list? We have 58 boards so far tracked

[bronze grove]

You have to become a made man to be privvy.

[austere creek]

soldatos unite

[devout torrent]

or if you have any we dont have I would love to add to our public list

[glacial wind]

Lists curated by employees/affiliated people with the companies involved should not have recommendations

[devout torrent]

yeah we've talked about it and I'm gonna remove the coloring

[glacial wind]

It was already an issue before and was removed, I don’t know why this public sentiment and recommendations thing was even added back

[devout torrent]

mabye just not any issues/link to things to be aware of if there's anyuthing significant

[glacial wind]

Yeah that’s how it should be. The recommendations before was already super sketchy when it seemed to grade drunkdeer above all their shared pcb competitors randomly, especially when main contributor doing grading is literal drunkdeer employee

[devout torrent]

yeah I agree, I talked tgo him before about that once I started helping with the edits

best bet is remove coloring entirely and notate/link any significant issues or items to be aware of with a link to the info

so users can judge for themselves

got a couple HE enthuisaists from the japanese community doing edits too

so 3/4 people are not employees of DD as well

if that's a concern for people

[uncut musk]

Ive heard a lot of the people who got a drunkdeer regret it

[glacial wind]

It’s an alright budget board. Have a couple friends with it. It has its quirks with software bugs at times but so do the other budget he boards which also share same pcb builds

[uncut musk]

its def cool thats it super widely available

[glacial wind]

Definitely not as polished as wooting, but wootings always been ahead of everyone else when it comes to rt software working well

[devout torrent]

yeah wooting def seems like the top brand right now if you care about performance

just need to work on that switch rattle people love to complain about it

but it's fun that there is so much competition on the market

even if most of it is from 2 other companies copy pasted and very similar in perf

I'm gonna pickup that teamwolf hitboy hk25 soon and the ae68 V2 when it releases

just to try em out

so I can have wooting, gtech and shenzen yaya boards all in one house lol

[harsh dove]

Yeah I don’t really care to buy any other boards rn

Nothing really compares

I’d be happy with 25 wootings all modded differently

Just give me more HE switches to fk around with

[devout torrent]

KS-20U are on mechkeys now and I am tempted to order them

but I am really liking the jades rn

and everglide has some coming too that should be wooting compatible

they posted a hilarious promo vid for them

https://fxtwitter.com/marere_e/status/1751509283437777298

[harsh dove]

I know I won’t like them more than Jades but I bought them anyway

[devout torrent]

yeah im gonna wait for gateron.com to have them

so I can orde those plus their new 0 degree switch

[harsh dove]

Gateron takes too long

(To update their website)