🔧│keyboard_modding

[sudden lark]

alr! was js asking cuz i heard people saying the jade switches needed diff ones cuz only 3,5 mm

[stray tiger]

You dont need them with jades usually either. Save money and enjoy as is!

[sudden lark]

alr ty!! ill prolly buy the raptors rn cuz i keep fatfingering my l45 😭

is the operation force like this

light: l45 - jade - gateron orange - raptor - l60 : heavy

[stray tiger]

Im not sure but I think @glacial wind might know

[sudden lark]

i js want a 55ishg 1 tbh

[gentle igloo]

Hello guys!! Is there any good guide out there on how to build custom wooting 60HE?

[stray tiger]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1103459740186595399

[restive python]

sounds great

then imma save some time and not lube them haha

[halcyon obsidian]

why not change the actuation?

are you on 0.1?

[sudden lark]

im on 1.7 already 💀

[halcyon obsidian]

idk I imagine fat fingering is more of an actuation issue not weight of the spring

[sudden lark]

yeah prolly\

but i just dont like having my finger already pressing half of the key

when im not accu pressing]

[halcyon obsidian]

you got heavy fingers?

[sudden lark]

sadly

[scarlet blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/stubby-fingers-sausage-fingers-podgy-fingers-sausage-hands-wurstfinger-gif-27688617

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-hand-drauf-abgemacht-hände-riese-gif-11963090

[sudden lark]

me

i js got hella long fingers

[scarlet blaze]

GYAD DAYUM

[sudden lark]

my middle finger takes up my whole keep in depth

[keen loom]

... this may sound like a "childs dream" ... but for whatever reason, I really really want to design a HE K585 left handed FPS keyboard from scratch with somehow being able to partner with Wooting for possible guidance on this project

Sounds like it could be fun!

[scarlet blaze]

I believe.
Thank you for sharing your dream.

[halcyon obsidian]

let them know you have a dream

[scarlet blaze]

Martin_Luther_Keeb

[halcyon obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/mahsa-a-foundation-gif-26962201

[scarlet blaze]

Which are they?

and is that a 60?

[tawdry tree]

Raptors 👏

[scarlet blaze]

👍

[slim drift]

how much bettrer than lekkers

[scarlet blaze]

Thock check when you get reassembled

[untold wigeon]

Do you still wanna see the jades sound test?

[slim drift]

yes yes yes!

[untold wigeon]

@slim drift

[slim drift]

thats sounds AMAZING

[untold wigeon]

They feel amazing too

[slim drift]

if the wooting stock would be like a 1 how many times better is ur modded wooting

[scarlet blaze]

good sound check. I like how it's deployed so I can swap back and forth to hear the diff.
Better feel in terms of percent please?

[slim drift]

like the sound and feel overall

[slim drift]

fr fr

[untold wigeon]

10000000000000000x

[scarlet blaze]

c'mon. be realistic. consumer report style

[slim drift]

well guess i have to mod my wooting if so

[untold wigeon]

100% better. I used the switch tape mod which really didn’t feel as smooth as I wanted, but gave me the sound profile I wanted. But this just gives me both

[scarlet blaze]

I get that you like them.

So, you removed the tape with the jades?

[untold wigeon]

I didn’t do any mods on the Jade switches. Factory lube is really good and has less wobble than lekkers so no switch tape mod needed

[scarlet blaze]

OH!
Not the tape mod but switch films

[untold wigeon]

Nonono switch tape mod

[scarlet blaze]

gotchoo

[untold wigeon]

It’s a mod created specifically for lekkers

I’ll show you how my lekkers look

[scarlet blaze]

yes please

[untold wigeon]

Gentle paper tape on the top housing to reduce wobble and gives it thock

[devout torrent]

I love how many people are doing this

idk who started it

and its such a pain in the ass

but i did it becuause thockson did it

and his kb sounds good

[untold wigeon]

It really was a pain in the ass

[devout torrent]

its so worth though

makes a big difference

[untold wigeon]

Definitely the mod that makes a difference but honestly just get different switches and you won’t have to do all that

[scarlet blaze]

That tape goes down, into the housing?

[devout torrent]

yes

[scarlet blaze]

just down the sides? Or under the magnet too?

[devout torrent]

just down the sides

of the top housing only

[scarlet blaze]

I think I understand...
I've never actually held one of these switches in my hand... So I'm building a picture slowly

NA-Lion is finally on it's way so, hopefully about a week away.....but probs more...

[uncut musk]

@fluid ravine pretty sure he was the one who came up with it, there is a whole thing abt it in #🪛│modding_faq

[devout torrent]

nah I think someone else did

but he's probably the biggest name in the game for it

and made it more well known

but I could be remembering wrong

[uncut musk]

https://youtu.be/614LZJXNIuw?si=_Aor0Ak7PNHBWfaQ

maybe this guy

[stray tiger]

Nope, but he is in this channel often 🙂

[uncut musk]

Who was the mastermind

[austere creek]

inb4 thockfather man himself

[stray tiger]

@shell geode

[true patrol]

this was how I had to do it, the very idea of putting tape in my housings deals damage to my soul

[fluid ravine]

@shell geode made this mod, he is this the original man himself. I expanded the mod (as in go in depth into the mod and go into more testing) and try my best to popularize it before all the new HE switches came out.

[uncut musk]

yuh

[fluid ravine]

Big name but can nev3r be bigger than original

Pls recognize Gewalt ❤️

[austere creek]

that sounds wrong without the context

[fluid ravine]

Lmao

Ok ima go back to work (in class)

[somber scroll]

Stock Raptors compared to stock lekkers? Or hand lubed?
Also do they make backlighting red lol

[shell geode]

Hello, that's me!

[uncut musk]

Master mind!

[shell geode]

I just re-lubed and did the tape mod again to my Jades too, pretty tedious process but got to finish it 🙏

[uncut musk]

ooo, so its effective for the jades as well?

in like the sense of it making a difference

[shell geode]

It's not as significant as the Lekkers were, but the Lekkers were super wobbly and pingy to start, so there was more ground to improve from

The Jades still do have a slight spring ping, noticeable to me, so minimizing that feedback was worth it for me, I really enjoy my Woot now and not swapping for my work board

[true patrol]

I haven't heard spring ping with any of the three he switches I've used so far. What case do you have?

ayy I still got it, haven't done monkeytype in a while (and not with the wooting since I did anything to it)

[shell geode]

I have a Poseidon PSD60. I would say it's not a sound that everyone would notice or care about, which is understandable

[untold wigeon]

if that tape goes down, surely this would eventually cause residue issues..?

[grizzled wolf]

i ordered a 60he module and a tofu60 redux, should i use the foam that comes with the module or the tofu?

[bronze grove]

Your choice really.

[true patrol]

not 100% sure on what foam comes with the module but I would say either the module or order some separate foam

the foam that comes with the redux is, imo, not worth using

[grizzled wolf]

figured, just wondering if people have a preferences towards one

[grizzled wolf]

interesting thank you

[untold wigeon]

module

[true patrol]

it's decent foam but it's quite thin and doesn't do much (the redux foam, that is)

[untold wigeon]

If I can remember correctly the tape isn’t super sticky? I don’t really remember tho

the tape will degrade overtime into bits

and it does have an element of stickiness

[ancient bluff]

Lubed stock stabs vs Lubed fl cmmk stabs

[stray tiger]

Sounds about the same

[spare mauve]

60he Module pc plate with jades vs 60he stock steel plate with jades

[shell geode]

I agree, it could degrade over time but unsure how far down the line

I didn't think that through when I did it and shared 😅

[old swallow]

Quick pics before i get my whole setup ready and yeet it in wootstations

**Main (Black) **

Wooting 60HE+ Module
Tofu Redux (Brass Weight)
Gateron Magnetic Jades
Polycarbonate Plate
Silicone Sandwich Pad
Stock Stabilizers
PBTfans Cookies 'n cream (Looking for BOG)

Second (Silver)

Wooting 60HE
Tofu Redux (Brass Weight)
Gateron Lekker 45's
Polycarbonate Plate
Poron Sandwich Pad
Stock Stabilizers
PBTfans WOB

[shell geode]

Nice!

[somber nebula]

you know anything about jade switches and if it got any issues with wooting?

[stray tiger]

No known issues. Use the latest beta firmware

[somber nebula]

thinking abt issues with stabs

since its 4mm

some ppl say i need a long pole stab

[stray tiger]

No issues

[somber nebula]

any stabilizer recommendations

for wooting60he, ISO

dunno much abt them

are durock v2 screw ins good?

[stray tiger]

Stock stabs

[stray tiger]

Same as stock stabs

[somber nebula]

i see

[untold wigeon]

Anyone know how long their jades took to deliver? I ordered them directly from Gaterons Website around a week ago but i still havent had any updates. Located in CA btw

[somber nebula]

how the fuck some ppl make their spacebar sound so good

[gentle igloo]

Hey, I've ordered the module with a toolkit and keycaps, but cannot find the keycap puller. Isn't it included in the order of one of those?

[untold wigeon]

biggest diff for me was holee mod and balancing the wire

along with lube etc

[somber nebula]

i'll try it

thanks

[stray tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHb6CJc9V8

The majority of the time a good lube job is all you need.

[somber nebula]

ye havent lubed mine at all

[old swallow]

i got them in about a week from the official gateron website, but i didnt get any shipping updates till they arrived pretty much

[gleaming crane]

Did you get standard shipping?

I paid a little extra and they came within a week of ordering

[old swallow]

the normal 60HE comes with a keycap puller, but the module doesnt. and because the normal one comes with it they dont include it in the tool kit

[old swallow]

i got standard shipping

[gleaming crane]

You should receive them in a week-3 weeks or so

[old swallow]

i think it took them like 2 days to process my order, then i got them in 7 days

[old swallow]

also, i just realized this wasnt meant for me 🤦‍♂️

[untold wigeon]

wait there were options?

oh yea

i just checked

i probs didnt want to spend an extra 20usd for shipping lmao

[old swallow]

you can do expedited shipping yeah, might not be in al regions tho

[lapis token]

Does anyone know how wide the spacebar is? Is it 6,25u?

Of the 60he

[old swallow]

yeah, 60HE has 6.25u spacebar

[gleaming crane]

I was able to upgrade my shipping even after purchasing

[lapis token]

Okay thx

[untold wigeon]

well honestly its been a week now, i wonder if i can still do it

[gleaming crane]

I just emailed gateron asking if they could

[old swallow]

i never checked, since i didnt have my module yet it didnt really matter to me, then i got the module and the jades on the exact same day

[untold wigeon]

its going through canada post as well

which i always have problems with

so i guess we will see

[gleaming crane]

Best feeling

When your stuff arrives at the same time

[old swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/normani-kordei-sweetener-tour-fifth-harmony-hashtag-blessed-gif-14464385

[gentle igloo]

thanks...well, so everyone who has bought a module, has bought a stock wooting too? 😄

[old swallow]

euhm... i cant speak for everyone, but euhm

meyhaps

[gleaming crane]

The majority

[old swallow]

we at wooting discord, we simp for wooting

[uncut musk]

i am one of the ones who hasnt

[gleaming crane]

I’m thinking of buying the module and kitting it out for my girlfriend🫢

[uncut musk]

module will be my first wooting product

[old swallow]

yet...

oh

[uncut musk]

lol

[gentle igloo]

yeah same

[old swallow]

then, get 2 wootings modules i guess

[gentle igloo]

missing keycap puller not gud

[old swallow]

yes, i have 1 wooting board, but what about another 🤔

[uncut musk]

do it the painful way

[gentle igloo]

its the only way i know 😄

[uncut musk]

next thing ill probably get is one of their cables, and an 80he in a few years

[old swallow]

me with 2 custom 60HE's, 2 wrist rests, and 1 cable

hmmm, yes

also, waiting for more cable colours, otherwise i would have 2 already haha

[gleaming crane]

Same^

[uncut musk]

yeah none of the cables they have currently match with my board

that will be done

[old swallow]

i mean, black matches everything pretty much

[uncut musk]

in a few weeks

[old swallow]

but fair

[uncut musk]

yeah it does buttt

[old swallow]

they will have white, a purple and blue to match the alumaze colours and a white one

thats totally what i mean

white twice

[uncut musk]

yeah ill probably either get the purple or white

[old swallow]

pink* for the last white i believe lol

[vast estuary]

hi! will these work on the wooting 60he+ module?

https://drop.com/buy/artifact-bloom-series-keycap-set-dusk/

[old swallow]

that depends on the switches technically, but i think all module compatible switches are just standard MX cross stem, so should be totally fine

[vast estuary]

awesome :)

i was gonna use the lekker L60 switches from wooting

[uncut musk]

yeah those will work

[old swallow]

those are just the standard MX stem, so totally fine

[harsh dove]

@long anvil

[gentle igloo]

Do you guys lube all the switches and place them all afterwards into the plate?

[uncut musk]

got it yesterday, this thing is so solid lmao

[gentle igloo]

And what for are those?

[stray tiger]

They go between the standoff and the module to provide a little isolation

[bronze grove]

https://help.wooting.io/article/177-putting-your-60he-module-together

[tawdry tree]

KS-37B’s don’t fit altogether, can’t test how Wooting’s HE sensors would react to it.

[halcyon obsidian]

@stray tiger any specific kind of dielectric grease you use?

[stray tiger]

My go to - https://www.amazon.com/Super-Lube-92003-Lubricating-Translucent/dp/B0081JE0OO/ref=sr_1_2

[stray tiger]

I hope you didnt buy them to try and test them with the 60HE. It's already known they don't fit.

Oh wait, you got them in another board right?

[tawdry tree]

Got them in the ATK

I expect stem wobble of the KS-20Us to be similar/identical.

There is no housing wobble or rattle on the KS-37Bs, it’s really tight.

Anyone who has Wooting’s PC Switch Plate is it too tight for you as well?

For both my KS-20s and Lekkers it is tough to press them in and even tougher to get them out.

[stray tiger]

I dont have a PC plate yet to check but I havent heard of anyone mentioning that prior.

[tawdry tree]

I saw one guy who said it was hard to get his switches out as well. But I didn’t expect this.

[stray tiger]

Did you remove the PCB from the plate?

[tawdry tree]

No.

[stray tiger]

Do that first

[tawdry tree]

Shouldn’t have to though.

[stray tiger]

You def dont have to but it does make it easier

[harsh dove]

Yeah , I always remove the PCB from the Plate then remove switches. Way easier.

[stray tiger]

Also, what switch puller are you using? Some are horrible

[tawdry tree]

Module’s stab lube. 🥴

[tawdry tree]

Shouldn’t be as tight as mine is. It’s not the plate jobs alone to hold the switches in tight, the switches help as well.

[fluid ravine]

the flex of the plate can cause trouble installing the switches in

so yes, would suggest doing what tirade said

[tawdry tree]

Talking about tightness, not flex.

[fluid ravine]

?

are you trying to install them?

or am i reading it wronmg

[tawdry tree]

Just testing, lekkers were tight so gave 20s a shot.

Same thing for 20s

[fluid ravine]

oh

i thought you were having trouble installing thr switches

mb

[shell geode]

I also ordered from Gateron's website. I ordered on 12/29, it shipped on 1/4, and delivered on 1/10 so 12 days. I live in CA, US so don't know if you're referring to California or Canada.

[fluid ravine]

Instead of lubing a keyboard today, guess what im lubing

[tawdry tree]

The stabs of the module are overlubed x3, also seems like most of the lube is not actually inside the stem.

[stray tiger]

They didnt look significantly overlubed in that video. Thats standard for most factory lubed stabs

[stray tiger]

Yeah thats pretty typical

[tawdry tree]

They are, I’m gonna open them later, see how they’re inside.

[tawdry tree]

Gonna have to disagree on this, my 60HE stabs were like this as well.

But is it overlubed.

The lube is on the plate. 🤣

[shell geode]

@fluid ravine Waiting on my capture card to come in the mail, and I'll record a typing test for you! I don't want to record off my phone haha

[fluid ravine]

Whats a capture card 😭

[shell geode]

@fluid ravine Allows me to use my DSLR to record/stream through my computer via HDMI

[tawdry tree]

ATK’s

[stray tiger]

So I just recently figured out how much a pain in the ass it is to do this right if you are gaming at 240Hz 1440p. I ended up not going the capture card route since there isn't one that supports that.

[static tendon]

Wooting had some rival keyboards, I believe there was 2 main ones?

It wasn’t Corsair or Logitech, it was a more less known company. Would anyone happen to know what they may be?

I heard it mentioned a couple of times

[shell geode]

240hz?! That's crazy, I'm just looking to do 144hz 1440p 😅

[stray tiger]

There are not rivals

[normal schooner]

maybe not rivals but competitors sure

both sell keebs

[static tendon]

I think it was called the drunkdeer or something

[shell geode]

Drunkdeer a75, a competitor

[normal schooner]

calder talked about those companies.

[static tendon]

There was one more I think

[normal schooner]

if I need to summarize it in my own words ( not calder). theyre one day flies. they have an alumimumcase. different formfactor. mechanical switches. a web app. they show up are popular for a month or 2 and gone.

[static tendon]

Gotcha

[stray tiger]

The end result is out from DSLR #1 into a 8K HDMI splitter, with a 4k Camlink on both outputs. One into the gaming PC for Zoom calls and the other into the streaming machine. Then to get the gaming PC gaming stream of 240Hz 1440p into the streaming PC I use OBS Teleport

[tawdry tree]

$110, 65%, 899grab, aluminium switch plate and case (bottom of the case is plastic), UI on keyboard (or installable software), rapid trigger, adjustable actuation (0.2mm) and remappable, less rattle on stabilizers and switches (stock vs stock 60HE), worse LEDs, less warranty and less user friendly software.

If you don’t call that competition you’re unconditional to Wooting.

[stray tiger]

Yes youre right, they are a cheaper, lower quality, less mature alternative.

[shell geode]

Gotcha, that's quite a complicated setup haha

@stray tiger Can you tell me where you got the side monitor you have?

[static tendon]

It does sound like quite the comparison but it looks like the drunkdeer comes in the 75% option. I personally wouldn’t go over a 65% layout

[tawdry tree]

I was talking about the ATK, not sure about the Drunkdeer as I don’t have it.

[static tendon]

Hey @stray tiger, I figured you'd be a good person to ask. Have you purchased second hand keycaps off Facebook market place or somewhere like offer up before? Would you perhaps try avoiding this option?

[stray tiger]

Ive purchased dozens of used keycaps from marketplaces and mechmarket. No issues if its a trusted seller

[tawdry tree]

Check for shine or damage as well.

Especially if they’re ABS

[static tendon]

These keycaps I’m interested in are brand new and sealed. GMK box, doesn’t look like a clone from the box

[static tendon]

Got it, the seller I’m considering isn’t someone I’m familiar with. Just someone selling a set

[static tendon]

Yeah but these are sealed

There was a provided receipt from Novelkeys. Reason for the sell was because they sold the board they wanted to put it on and it’s been sitting ever since

[tawdry tree]

How much?

[static tendon]

I’ll be seeing it in person before making my final decision as well this upcoming Saturday but just wanting to check in first

90$

[stray tiger]

Great price. Grab them

[tawdry tree]

That’s a good deal if they’re new still.

[stray tiger]

They look legit

[static tendon]

Will do. I’ll inspect the box thoroughly and even open it there to verify its authenticity

They’re brand new GMK striker set. Been eying it for some time, been a bit hesitant but they do look worth it

[stray tiger]

This is what they should look like

[static tendon]

Thank you, I’ll save these images for reference. I have also been familiarizing myself with the packaging/egg carton-like casing for the R2 striker variant specifically

[stray tiger]

GMK has only had 2 major casing styles. The first series were plastic, the newer ones are the recycled containers youre referring to.

[static tendon]

Yeah exactly, so I’ll try keeping an eye out for those. I also hear they’re usually all mixed up in the packaging

[stray tiger]

Old style packing looks like this

[static tendon]

Kinda like this? I’ve seen more mixed up boxes

[static tendon]

Perfect, noted

[stray tiger]

Yes thats the new packing

[static tendon]

Here’s a better example

They’re usually scattered around I hear, the R2 variant

[stray tiger]

Yeah thats correct

[static tendon]

Ok sounds good. I’ll be sure to pay attention to these details when inspecting the box

[vast estuary]

hi, what are the brass plates for on the tofu redux cases? does it only add weight or does it change the sound too?

aka is it worth getting for $25

[stray tiger]

Mainly for weight, negligible for sound, add it if you want a heavier case.

[vast estuary]

ah okay, thank you

i'm building my first keyboard and everything is a little overwhelming

can I dm you a list of what I have in cart already? just to be sure I have everything

[stray tiger]

No worries. Check the https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1103459740186595399 if you have more questions

Id paste it here in the channel so everyone can give you some feedback

[timid geyser]

I did my first ever keyboard build 2 days ago and it was easy

Nothing hard at all

[stray tiger]

@shell geode also Elgato's HDMI 2.1 capture cards are being released on Feb 1st if you dont need a capture card today

[shell geode]

Thank you, but most likely out of my budget lol

[vast estuary]

PCB: https://wooting.io/wooting-60he-module
Case: https://kbdfans.com/products/tofu60-redux-case?variant=41472688095371
Case Foam: https://www.amazon.com/HONKID-Keyboard-Dampening-Mechanical-Bottom/dp/B0B151N6V4
Keycaps: Probably something from Drop, was going to get these (https://kbdfans.com/products/capybaras-daily-life-cherry-profile-keycaps-set) for the jokes and get a set of serious keycaps as well. If y'all could send me cool ones, that would be awesome.
Switch Foam (are these necessary??): https://www.amazon.com/RUNJRX-Keyboard-Switch-Pads-Poron/dp/B09FDZPVTW/
USB-C cable: Prolly something on amazon

I want the nice Thock sound :)

[stray tiger]

You wont need the case foam, switch foam or even the cable unless you dont want the stock one that comes with the 60HE

[quiet bay]

What switches u getting?

[white solar]

Guys, trying to install Long Pole TX AP stabs on the new module, what is the proper way to do that? They also come with washers

[stray tiger]

Depends on the mounting style

[white solar]

It may sound weird, but from which side should I put in the screws?

[vast estuary]

ah, the Lekker L60s for now

[vast estuary]

oh i'm getting just the module since it ships faster

cable doesn't come with it

[jagged sand]

the module comes with a '1x USB cable A to C' according to the webpage

[tawdry tree]

Bottom.

Only the stabs are threaded, not the pcba

[tawdry tree]

It comes with a cable yeah

[vast estuary]

ohh im blind

thank you

i saw that it comes with this foam... can i use the individual switch foam on top of that or is there no need?

[tawdry tree]

How you mean individual switch foam?

3rd party switch foam?

[vast estuary]

these

https://www.amazon.com/RUNJRX-Keyboard-Switch-Pads-Poron/dp/B09FDZPVTW/?th=1

[jagged sand]

module comes with both silocon and poron I believe

[tawdry tree]

They could still fit but I’m not sure if they work well with the Lekkers.

IDK exactly how much space there is below the lekkers.

[tawdry tree]

Yes

Sili is stock installed, if you want poron u need to switch them out.

[jagged sand]

too much foam will take away from the deeper wavelengths I'm led to believe

[vast estuary]

okay, i wont grab the switch foams

[tawdry tree]

It sounds higher pitch with the sili pad to me.

With Lekkers that is.

[vast estuary]

$28 shipping for KBDfans 😭

[jagged sand]

yeah so 1 layer of foam = good, any more extenuates the higher pitch lengths.

[tawdry tree]

They look thin enough honestly and pin seem to line up as well. Maybe LED not exactly but idk

[tawdry tree]

With case foam and sili pad it sounds higher pitched than with case foam and plate foam.

To me*

[jagged sand]

I'm just about to order myself, $23.
What I'm trying to ascertain is if that's VAT, import duty etc included.
UK I'm in -.-

[vast estuary]

i'm in the US :(

pain

[normal schooner]

please trim your link. everything after .html can be deleted : https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005913007417.html

those are garbage trackers

[jagged sand]

ah

cheers

[normal schooner]

[quiet bay]

are you doing switch tape mod with it cause I'd recommend it

[vast estuary]

what's that?

i'm new

[quiet bay]

time consuming mod that reduces the wobble for the stem

and makes it sound better that way

hold up

#1173784544529363034 message

^

[vast estuary]

#1173784544529363034 message

that sounds exactly how i want it

[fierce void]

does that apply to all websites

[frank onyx]

do i need to recalibrate keyboard after installing different switches?

[tawdry tree]

Plug unplug.

[agile grove]

the keyboard recalibrates every time it’s plugged in

[frank onyx]

sounds good, ty

[normal schooner]

most

[agile grove]

I wonder if the switch tape mod still works tbh

like I wonder if the tolerances have gotten better on newer switch batches

[stray tiger]

Try with no foam between PCB and plate. I've found that to sound pretty good and it's what I'm running currently

[devout torrent]

what plate are you running?

[stray tiger]

Aluminum and Steel

[devout torrent]

ah interesting

no pc plate?

[stray tiger]

No, my module has not arrived yet

[devout torrent]

ah I see

[stray tiger]

Man what the Vietnamese are doing with artisans is ridiculous. The level of detail is insane.

[fluid ravine]

Pops spawned me

Such timing

[quiet bay]

my people

[white solar]

Do I need to put those golden screws in?

[agile grove]

its optional for the bottom near the spacebar area

they're standoffs btw

[white solar]

Oh

Ok

But what about the ones on the sides?

[quiet bay]

u will need them if ur gonna do tray mount

[white solar]

Do you think that I should go for it?

[hearty sierra]

yes

[white solar]

So just putting all 3 of them in?

[quiet bay]

u dont gotta

[hearty sierra]

where are the 3

[white solar]

3 standoffs

[hearty sierra]

if u have a pc plate, mansen said its probably better to use the spacebar one

dont have to

dont use the middle one tho

[white solar]

I don't think that I can even put anything there

[hearty sierra]

yea nah

[mental salmon]

Is that something you can purchase in the US?

[stray tiger]

It's a raffle each week for usually only a few caps that people collect. Don't fall down that rabbit hole!

https://www.craftkeyartisan.com/

[mental salmon]

Better to follow your advice

[split dagger]

I really wanna get into keyboard modding but scared ima break it

[strange blaze]

Guys raptors or jade switches

[frail hemlock]

Hand lubed Lekker L50

[loud zephyr]

The easy path:
Wooting's PC plate
Re-lube stabilizers
Case swap if you want a lil bling

2 hours max and you're done!

[loud zephyr]

wait another 3 months unless you need switches now

[fleet summit]

raptors just cause I don't wanna buy and lube new stabilizers

[scarlet blaze]

The KS-20u will be coming out before too long. I know that is a switch some folks are waiting on

[fleet summit]

whats on another 3 months? Whats new?

[placid field]

when are the new springs dropping

[loud zephyr]

can't recall the model names, pretty sure there's like 2 or 3 that's Wooting compatible

[fleet summit]

you got the sauce that i can read?

[loud zephyr]

you'd have to scroll back 4 days on this channel, I think someone did a list but no idea who

[quiet bay]

https://kprepublic.com/products/gb-hififox-x-domikey-red-bean-lkeycaps-abs-cherry-profile-doubleshot-semi-transparent

saw on mechkeys

[wet trench]

ty

[obsidian dagger]

why are the novelties blurred

[sand plinth]

any kings have the L45 switches and know if they still need hand lubing??? ordered them with 60he+ module and wondering if i should b bothered giving a few hours to lube them

[paper bloom]

I got a question whats the difference between the 60HE+ Module compared to the wooting 60HE in terms of spec wise

[bronze grove]

Identical.

The only difference is that we redesigned the PCB slightly to allow for screw in stabs. And the module has those preinstalled instead, as well as our PC plate kit.

[paper bloom]

Ah got it thanks im rn thinking of swapping out of my Wooting TWO HE to the 60HE so i was thinking on what wld be the best approach

[marsh saffron]

Hand lubing will always be better

[untold wigeon]

Probably so no one makes a knock off version? Idk

[wet trench]

did research on springs for a few hours to only find out that the jades and lekkers are using wider springs.

[bronze grove]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

We're bringing loose springs ranging from L30 to L100 to market soon.

[sand plinth]

oh okk, was just watching a vid from badseed and he said the factory lub is clean and barely makes a dif when he hand lubed so was just asking 😆

[bronze grove]

If you need replacement springs to tweak.

[wet trench]

do you know if the springs will be compatiable with the jades by any chance?

[bronze grove]

I imagine they would be? People are opening jades and raptors to make frankenstein switches.

[tall rain]

Got my polycarb case in, gotta wait for the module now

[bronze grove]

Don't forget to remove most of those standoffs.

[tall rain]

yup

might needa sand too based on the compatibility page

[marsh saffron]

Yeah I disagree with that

My buddy got his 60he from EU leeuwin batch and hand lubing still made a major difference

[weary tree]

where u found that?

[harsh dove]

https://www.craftkeyartisan.com/

[weary tree]

ty

[harsh dove]

Np

[split dagger]

Thanks I might try that out

[vivid lintel]

This might not be the right place to ask. But I ordered the module 60he. This is the first time building/modding a keyboard. I can probably build it myself but does anyone have a good video for putting one together? Thank you

[bronze grove]

Video? No. Not yet from us at least. Maybe a youtuber has received theirs already? 🙂

https://help.wooting.io/article/177-putting-your-60he-module-together

But here's a quick text and photo guide I whipped together yesterday.

[vivid lintel]

Thank you!

[untold wigeon]

Seed was talking about the l45s.

[uncut musk]

I havent seen any videos on the module yet beside the ones from badseed like 2 months ago

[marble shuttle]

No one does unboxing video idk why 🤣

[uncut musk]

I feel like they would get a decent amount of views lol

[marble shuttle]

I will do my fake tripod

When tofu redux came out i thought if i do unboxing i can get a lot of views but didnt work

😂

Only 1k view

[marsh saffron]

Thought l60 and l45 had exact same lubing process

[untold wigeon]

No idea but seedtech was talking about the very most recent batches of l45s he didnt mention 60s

I have my l45s in hand I just lubed 10

0 difference, or absolutely negligible at best in my case

[marsh saffron]

With my buddies l60s from EU leeuwin batch it still made a major difference

Figured it would be the same, heard they had the same lubing process

[marble shuttle]

Depends the batch new batches are more consinstent

And more sexy

[marsh saffron]

His batch was the most recent to get into people's hands

[untold wigeon]

l45s are more recent i think

[marsh saffron]

From EU orders

[untold wigeon]

because that had an issue

where if you pressed the edges they felt like absolute shit

then they fixed that

[marsh saffron]

I thought that was like 3 months ago though

I thought that was an issue far before EU leeuwin was produced

[untold wigeon]

it was awhile ago yeah i think 2 or so

[marsh saffron]

I'm sure the lighter spring also plays a part it why they feel better

Probably feels a lot smoother simply because of the lighter spring

[frail hemlock]

Is there any progressive switch spring out yet?

It'd be so nice for maximising accuraty with DKS

[subtle light]

can you put the wooting foam in the tofu redux 60? Or do you have to use th kdbfans foam

[sand oasis]

nah you can use the wooting foam you just have to peal off the smaller layer

[subtle light]

Damn bro. Didnt even see the smaller layer thanks 🙏

[sand oasis]

no worries

[halcyon sparrow]

Anyone putting there 60 in a cyberspace b-box60?

[bronze grove]

Sure. If you don't mind pulling teeth.

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f&p=3c6869a9999b44369cff1b80c98dd19a&pm=s

[halcyon sparrow]

Is this for a regular 60he or a module?

[bronze grove]

Same difference.

[halcyon sparrow]

Why advertise it on the site?

[bronze grove]

Why advertise what?

[bronze grove]

You lost me.

[halcyon sparrow]

At what point? I asked if anyone was putting there module in a case that was advertised to being accessable on multiple marketing posts and I find out for the first time it's like "pulling teeth" and it's not compatible out of the box

[bronze grove]

Okay.

Well now you know.

[halcyon sparrow]

The parts have been purchased months ago

[wet hazel]

It's a compatible case after all, but needs modifications

[devout torrent]

its like pulling teeth in that yo uliterally need to pull standoffs out

but its not that hard if you're not an idiot

[halcyon sparrow]

In not really worried about the challenge of cutting plastic

I was more upset about how it requires irreversible damage, a small disclosure on the site would have gone a long way

[untold wigeon]

Where did they say itd work

Those are obvioisly heavily modded keebs

Obviously

Thats like saying bmw shouldnt advertise/do photoshoots with modded cars lmao

Wooting literally have a case compatibility list it isnt their fault you didnt check it.

[halcyon sparrow]

Where are the signs of fabrication?

[untold wigeon]

Thry have an official case compatibility list

Its on you for not checking

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen root]

is there a place for ppl looking for wooting 2he mods?

[untold wigeon]

Lmao wait

@halcyon sparrow

[halcyon sparrow]

Link it

[untold wigeon]

The case you wanted to use is literally marked as needs modifications

[halcyon sparrow]

Can you link the case compatibility list?

[untold wigeon]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[halcyon sparrow]

Thanks

[elfin garnet]

Has anyone tried to spray paint the accent piece on the alumaze? I want to spray paint mine and want to see how others did it and how it ended up looking

[agile grove]

im not sure about spray paint, but some people have vinyl wrapped it

[cyan summit]

for what are the gummy rings again on the module I once read the answer but I dont remember anymore

[stray tiger]

They thin ringhs are for placing on top of the standoffs before mounting your module into the case

[cyan summit]

yea that it was, thank you

[mellow beacon]

if I have pcb mount stabs, I put them on the pcb and after just place the top plate down onto them right?

[quiet bay]

yeah

[mellow beacon]

alr thank u

[naive prairie]

Anyone know where I can find good quality silver color keycaps? preferably blank if not that’s ok

[stray tiger]

Hundreds of places. What's your budget and where are you located?

[placid field]

does a switch puller like this work?

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[placid field]

also do i need do buy diff stabs when buying the raptors

[tawdry tree]

You don’t.

If you want a different sound then yes, but for functionality no.

[placid field]

alr

cuz if heard people say they needing diff stabs for the jades

[tawdry tree]

It’s not needed for the Jades, it’s easier to use them with long pole stabs but not necessary.

[placid field]

alr thanks for the info

[tawdry tree]

Raptors don’t have a shorter travel distance so it’s no issue for them.

[placid field]

ah alr

its so stupid my fingers are 2 fat for the l45 even on 1,3 actu point

xD

[tawdry tree]

Aren’t Raptors similar?

In operation force needed

[placid field]

12 g difference

[tawdry tree]

L45s are 45g operating right?

So it’s 3g difference

[placid field]

30

[tawdry tree]

Oh I see

[placid field]

i came from the infamous ducky one 2 mini

blue switch soo l45 first good switch

[tawdry tree]

Alr

[naive prairie]

usa, no budget

looking for quality

[stray tiger]

https://novelkeys.com/collections/gmk or https://cannonkeys.com/collections/gmk-keycaps

And deskhero still has stock of GMK Jags basekit - https://www.deskhero.ca/products/copy-of-gmk-jags (although its grey not silver) - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6PHJ36IE5VE

[devout torrent]

yup

[halcyon obsidian]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/894564688/925-blank-premium-sterling-silver-solid

[devout torrent]

or get a full set from awekeys

not sterling silver obvioulsy

but

full silver set

[halcyon obsidian]

this is for 1 cap so just get like 61 of these

[devout torrent]

61 is too many

since these only fit 1u

and no option for otherkeycaps

[halcyon obsidian]

thats only like 9k

[tawdry tree]

🤨 you’d have all caps for r5

🤪

[devout torrent]

https://awekeys.com/products/fullmetalkeycapsset?variant=47271416561945

[tawdry tree]

great deal

[halcyon obsidian]

it was more of a "no budget" joke

[naive prairie]

😭😭preciate you guys

[naive prairie]

i’ll probably get one for escape looks nice

[quiet bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAYcQ-z9FTY kazamn

[stray tiger]

I love when people come in and say "No budget" since they usually don't know just how expensive this hobby can be lol

[halcyon obsidian]

its the same with like audio and stuff its funny

[naive prairie]

i’ve noticed it’s gotten progressively more expensive as i continue to look for parts 🤣 last thing i need are the keycaps

i want something the match the beastx i got in silver

[uncut musk]

I saw someone comment on a rainy 75 review saying 120 is expensive for a keyboard and in my head i was like "You know nothing"

[quiet bay]

;o

[uncut musk]

yayyyy

[naive prairie]

i’ve been using a k55 corsair with membrane switches for the past 5 years so id thought i treat myself a bit

[austere creek]

sounds like any hobby

[uncut musk]

I mean the best part abt the wooting is not only is it the best keyboard for gaming, there is also so much you can do with it

[quiet bay]

Oh man using a membrane keyboard for 5 years

[naive prairie]

yea lmao takes up half my desk too, also been using the same mouse logitech g502

due for an upgrade

[gentle palm]

I am conflicted. Since I have been daily driving the 60HE, I don't find I miss the function keys.. but I do miss the arrow keys. how much I would like to have had them remove the top row... but have a 3 column x 2 row print/home/end area with arrow keys. That being said, I find that I have a slight inclination to being a Wooting fanboy of sorts regardless.

[quiet bay]

so a cycle7 .-.

[velvet egret]

@tawdry tree Saw you finally got your module!! Saw u also mentioned the stabs being heavily lubed

[tawdry tree]

Yes man, were yours overlubed as well? and how did they sound, any rattle?

[shell geode]

Still waiting for mine to ship

[shell geode]

65HE wen?

[tawdry tree]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1195394399706808441 🥲

[shell geode]

[velvet egret]

i had no rattle ( i think )they were a little over lubed i think.. this is also my first custom keyboard.. i did feel like the stabs were very loose idk if thats normal

[tawdry tree]

The stabs are very lose.

[velvet egret]

Yeah thats what i got super wiggly/loose.. however i didnt have any lube on my plate that i recall. You got any plans to swap them?

I also insta cleaned them and lubed them again myself

[gentle igloo]

Finally done !

[tawdry tree]

I already expected this as my 60HE came like this as well. I have TX screw ins and staebies on the way.

I would’ve really liked it if it came w/o stabs, save a lot of cleaning.

Luckily it’s just 205 and not xht

[velvet egret]

Ah nice, when they comin in? Im curious of the difference.. Might be grabbing some up then aswel.
How do you properly even clean that? just a bunch of paper towels?

[tawdry tree]

I just use a towel with warm water to clean the switch plate. The stabs you can just take out and clean with warm water as well.

Staebies should arrive in a week or so. TXs I already have.

Just waiting for my Jades and Raptors to arrive then I’ll finish the build.

[velvet egret]

are the staebies also screw in, that you orderd? Im really curious which route youll take. ill be keeping my eye out in the chat, might sway me one way or the other..

[velvet egret]

Im currently using Raptor switches.. very pleased with them. they def need to be hand lubed. it's like a dry desert when you open em xD

[tawdry tree]

Staebies are screw ins yes. From the sound tests I’ve heard I’ll most likely use Staebies for 3U/below and TX for the space bar.

As Staebies sounded a bit more high pitched on the space bar

Compared to TX

[stray tiger]

Staebie tolerances are so tight that Ive had a few I needed to replace. if they work, they seem ok

[timid nebula]

someon know how can i take appart the screw in stabs to lube them ?

[stray tiger]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1103459740186595399

[tawdry tree]

Unscrew, unclip the wire and take out the wire, the stem will come out.

[velvet egret]

owh really? damn that's unfortunate if you gotta send them back.

Yeah i'm not sure what ill do. The ones that come with the module were just so loose.

[tawdry tree]

TX’s are a good route

Staebies aren’t in stock anywhere in EU either so..

As of now.*

[velvet egret]

Yeah when ive looked around before to see what is available couldn't find them.. Where did u order your TX stabs from?

[tawdry tree]

From MinoKeys

Only one I could find who had them in stock.

[stray tiger]

Almost all stabs are can be made to sound good, usually with just a solid lube job. I think I have 10 or 15 sets of stabs in my drawer from 4 or 5 different vendors and they all sound similar when lubed right

[velvet egret]

Ah alrighty thanks. i relubed the wooting screw in stabs that came with the module with their lube kit.. Not sure if you have any better reccomendations?

[stray tiger]

Their lube kit is great for the money. Its more about how you lube them. Follow this video and youll be golden. The syringe is clutch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHb6CJc9V8

[tawdry tree]

It’s the amount of work you have to put in to get to that point what makes or breaks it for me.

Sure Durocks can sound good

But to get there

[stray tiger]

Like I said, just lube most of the time

[tawdry tree]

takes a whole lot more than TX’s for example.

[stray tiger]

I lube them the same. There are rare cases when a wire is bent or something like that but it happens across all brands

[velvet egret]

Ha nice, this was actually the video i was watching to learn how to lube them, i just didn't have the syringe

[stray tiger]

Thats the chef kiss

[untold wigeon]

did it make a difference?

[velvet egret]

Looks like i might be grabbing myself a syringe and some TX stabs. Thanks!!

[untold wigeon]

mine were perfect out of box

[tawdry tree]

Bent wire? What bent wire? 😉

[untold wigeon]

i think wooting did an amazing job on the stock screw ins

[velvet egret]

Yeah def made a difference. Made them sound deeper for me atleast

sadly i didnt record a before and after

[tawdry tree]

Okay QC is crazy.

[stray tiger]

Wooting's QC is some of the best actually

[untold wigeon]

?

Wat

Recently wooting QC has been stepping its game up massively not sure where you pulled "okay" from

Beats any major brand I've had experience with in the past year, unironically

[velvet egret]

my left shift stab was acting up a little by getting stuck when pressed down but when i relubed them all i had no issues.. i was planning on relubing them anyway so

Since this is also my first custom keyboard... ( the past 6 years ive been using a ducky one 2 mini) im very happy

[untold wigeon]

6 years on a ducky

bro has been through hell

[velvet egret]

bhahaha its def a big change up.. one 2 mini with silent red switches

[tawdry tree]

I said Okay QC is crazy as our experiences differ greatly.

[untold wigeon]

You having issues doesnt make wootings qc just "okay"

[velvet egret]

okay yeah i def didnt have this issue

[tawdry tree]

The right side is perfectly fine, left however is not. Most likely bent wire.

[untold wigeon]

You can get a Ferrari with a fault brand new

lol

[tawdry tree]

It’s not a fault.

[untold wigeon]

Then what is it

Fault, qc issue, whatever you wanna call it

[untold wigeon]

If that's the case then it shouldn't have passed QC

Lmao

Nothing has a 100% QC rate

Outside of a few small niche things

[tawdry tree]

^

[stray tiger]

Or, maybe the QC passed fine and something happened during shipping, when he lubed, when he started pulling on the stabs with tweezers, etc.

[untold wigeon]

Anything mass produced has qc issues

Such is the way of the world

[tawdry tree]

It’s not a fault as my 60HE’s stabs were exactly like this.

[untold wigeon]

60he stabs are not supposed to be good

[tawdry tree]

And I don’t think any company QCs stab rattle.

[untold wigeon]

they are just average stabs

[stray tiger]

They are actually quite good stabs

[untold wigeon]

I'm referring to the example I replied to.

[untold wigeon]

compared to other offerings yeah, alone ehh i dunno about good

Id say above average

I have noticed recently theyve been much mo consistent

More* the people that have been posting in #archived_wooting_60he have gotten some pretty good stock stabs on regular 60hes

[tawdry tree]

Average in prebuilts

[untold wigeon]

60he is a prebuilt yes

[tawdry tree]

Thing is the Module shouldn’t be average.

[untold wigeon]

it isnt marketed as a custom keyboard

[stray tiger]

The factory lube job is usually all that needs to be corrected to make them sound great

[untold wigeon]

Module isn't average, the stabs on the module are good

You getting a subpar unit does not make the module average/bad

Even badseedtech said the stabs are great, and out of the 5-7 people I know with the module theirs are all good, and they're all users of TX and Durock stabs

[stray tiger]

I'd even argue that he got a subpar unit.

[tawdry tree]

If your wire is bent you can overlube now and don’t hear a rattle for a week but it’ll be right back.

[stray tiger]

If your wire isnt bent and the lube is inconsistent, it can rattle also. Doesnt mean your product is subar or below average

[untold wigeon]

its a very simple fix that someone buying the module should be able to apply in a couple of minutes

its literally aimed at enthusiasts.

(Unless the wire is bent)

if its just inconsistent lube that doesnt make your unit or your stabs bad, at all

[uncut musk]

BENT WIRE MACHO TIME

[tawdry tree]

(Over)lube seems consistent, at least with my Module.

[velvet egret]

I actually do have a before and after video the left one is before the right one is after

[stray tiger]

Bent wires happen but are pretty rare. From my personal experience, maybe one needs tweaking out of every 20-30 wires

[untold wigeon]

If you can put the module in a case, and apply switches & keycaps you can take a few minutes and $5 to lube your stabs to your liking

[untold wigeon]

are these stock l45s?

[velvet egret]

no lubed raptors but im hammering on them pretty hard

[untold wigeon]

i was gonna say they sound good lol

[velvet egret]

but the stabs sound good right?

it does sound higher pitched on the video than irl

[stray tiger]

they sound pretty consistent to me

[untold wigeon]

you didnt press the edges of the spacebar at all

redo the after but tap the edges

they sound fine

[velvet egret]

the only thing that throws me off is the backspace sounds a little high but im a noob so idk

[tawdry tree]

For that exact reason it shouldn’t have came with stabs IMO, the fact that it comes with stabs would suggest they’re good as is.

[untold wigeon]

because 95% of the time they are good as is

[stray tiger]

Horrible assumption

[velvet egret]

Will do after my pizza is done.. else oull be hearing my combi oven xD

[untold wigeon]

i doubt they factored stabs into the price too much, itd probably still be around the same price

[velvet egret]

and its just filmed on an iphone so

[tawdry tree]

It’s a fair assumption I think, it’s aimed towards enthusiasts, not towards people who don’t care.

With the 60HE that is fine, as it’s aimed more towards functionality.

[untold wigeon]

Thock is there a downside to longpole stabs with switches with a 4mm travel?

[stray tiger]

So let me make sure I understand you. Your experience, which doesnt seem to be the norm for the majority, means that the product is subpar, qc is subpar and Wooting shouldnt even provide stabs with their boards?

[tawdry tree]

iPhone mics don’t capture keyboard sounds well 😂

[velvet egret]

It's that or a sm7b mic xD take a pick

[tawdry tree]

No, I didn’t say subpar that’s J’s word. I think that because it is aimed towards enthusiasts who value every bit of their keyboard it should’ve come without stabs. Or great stabs that you do not have to touch anymore.

From my experience, lose stabs even if overlubed will require relubing once in 8-12 months or so as they become more noticeable.

[stray tiger]

I disagree and would be willing to bet the majority would disagree with you that it shouldnt come with stabs just because you feel like they werent lubed properly.

[untold wigeon]

even if they came with tx ap stabs or something along that line

someone somewhere would have a qc issue

it wouldnt change anything

[stray tiger]

ALL stabs need to be lubed properly. Regardless of brand

Show me a pre-built keyboard and Ill show you someone who had to tweak their stabs

[tawdry tree]

You’ve seen my stabs, you don’t think they’re overlubed?

[tawdry tree]

The module is not a prebuilt, that’s my point.

[stray tiger]

I cant judge based on your video

[tawdry tree]

My 60HE stabs were exactly the same.

[stray tiger]

But whether they are or arent doesnt change the fact that saying Wooting should only provide stabs that are perfect and dont need lubing/tweaking is unpopular

Also another fun fact, I own 4 60HE boards and have the stock stabs on all but one and on that one I change one stab because when lubing I dropped it and my dog chewed it up.

[uncut musk]

MY STAB NOW

[stray tiger]

They all 4 sound great. Doesnt mean there arent some that arent. Just means your case isnt the norm.

[old swallow]

finally, some good fucking food

[uncut musk]

lol

[glacial wind]

Spend a day in any of the large group buy boards and see the chaos that happens when new to keyboard people are trying to install stabs

Witness that enough and you’ll know why wooting made the right choice to have stabs included

[harsh dove]

Well that’s the thing too, you’re only gonna hear from the people with issues. The people with no issues won’t come into a chat room/group and say anything most of the time. So you’ll only see the “negative” and then that’s all people see and think.

[stray tiger]

I literally have/had access to the Wooting helpdesk when they needed help catching up from all the orders and I know for a fact that people complaining about stabs is a non-issue.

[harsh dove]

Right exactly

It’s just more people will hear from the negative issues than from the hundreds of people without any issues

[velvet egret]

Well i thought the loose stabs was normal/same with the amount of lube on them until Aligner posted his videos. thats just cuz im a noob 🙂

[stray tiger]

For sure, but even those who would complain didnt complain enough to make a blip on the radar. Which means the number of people who are unhappy with their stabs is extremely minimal.

[tawdry tree]

My point is; very few stabs come in perfect, most require tweaking to get them perfect. From Durocks to TX to Staebies I haven’t had one that was perfect out of the box. Because stabs affect your keyboard’s sound and feel massively it’s very rewarding to tweak them to your perfection. I think most can agree so far. That’s why I would’ve like it more if the module came without stabs, just barebones like many keyboard kits.

[harsh dove]

Yeah that’s basically the point I’m trying to get across. The group with issues is usually very small but if that’s all people see then it seems bigger than it really is

[stray tiger]

Again, that would be an unpopular opinion. If you're going to lube/tweak your stabs anyway, why wouldnt you want some quality ones included?

[untold wigeon]

he probably thinks the stock stabs drive the module price up.

[untold wigeon]

You can either choose to use them or tweak and install your own

he probably thinks module would be $30 cheaper no stabs lul

[tawdry tree]

It’s not an issue by the way, I expected this that’s why I already had other stabs on hand. Just sharing my opinion.

[velvet egret]

I re-recorded my video @untold wigeon @stray tiger hopefully this gives you a better idea what I got

[harsh dove]

Sounds pretty good

[stray tiger]

Sound like I would expect

[tawdry tree]

That’s fine too but then have them in the box, unoverlubed so the user can tweak them without having to clean them first.

[velvet egret]

Yeah right, thought so too. but the backspace its higher pitched that normal?? i got no clue

[untold wigeon]

they dont come overlubed most of the time dudel ol

[old swallow]

ey yo, that my board

[untold wigeon]

literally every single person ive seen with module has been positive

[glacial wind]

Stabs are like the one thing I never get people’s obsession with changing for no reason. Most stabs are perfectly fine, even mediocre stock stabs aren’t usually hard to get good these days

[untold wigeon]

every sound test stock has sounded great

[tawdry tree]

Left of space sound more rattlely than the right but maybe I’m going schizo. 😂🤣

[untold wigeon]

you are an outlier

[harsh dove]

There’s probably 10,000 people who are fine with their stabs and like 5 who aren’t lol

[tawdry tree]

Can you share yours?

[harsh dove]

But those 5 are the loudest

lol

[untold wigeon]

not at home

and i dont have my tfu

Tofu

[uncut musk]

I know this is super off topic but you guys know of some other people who stream keyboard building/modding beside alexotos?

[untold wigeon]

i will when i get it

[old swallow]

wait wtf, and a last legend aswell

[velvet egret]

yeah irl they sound exactly the same

[halcyon obsidian]

does taeha still stream?

[stray tiger]

No uncommon at all. If you want to reduce the frequency a little add a little quake putty inside the key cap. https://www.amazon.com/Quakehold-88111-Museum-Putty-Neutral/dp/B0002VA9NA/ref=sr_1_1

[tawdry tree]

My 60HE stabs were the same, so it’s not a 1/1 thing but I’d like to see others’.

[untold wigeon]

I like this

[tawdry tree]

👍

[untold wigeon]

Way better than foam

Thanks for the idea

[harsh dove]

No but the amount of people who have “issues” with there stabs is probably very minimal like Tirade said.

[velvet egret]

haha yeah 🙂 loving this mouse

[stray tiger]

And its $4

[untold wigeon]

Only thing is dont go crazy and get clay in your switc

Switch

[old swallow]

lmao

[velvet egret]

HAHAHA AYOOOOO niceeee

[glacial wind]

If anything my wooting stabs had a little more lube than I’d normally use myself

[velvet egret]

I only got diff keycaps hehe

[old swallow]

yeah, but close

[halcyon obsidian]

looks clean

[velvet egret]

yeah close aha thats cool wait what mouse do you have?

[old swallow]

i guess im not the only one who went with the black/silver combo

[velvet egret]

saturn pro xxl?

[tawdry tree]

Was it well spread? Inside the stab stem as well?

[old swallow]

normal saturn xxl

[stray tiger]

Mine didnt have too much, it just wasnt consistent on the wire. I just spread it out a little to coat around the bend

[velvet egret]

ah damn xD that wouldve been insane if u also had same deskmat

[uncut musk]

he did a few days ago but hasnt really in the past month

[old swallow]

thats my second setup tho, i got a black on on my main. so could get even closer then the red if i wanted

[glacial wind]

Yeah I did same, just spread it out a bit better when I was taking mine apart

[tawdry tree]

Could be, I think same things were said about the 60HE although many didn’t care for the sound of the 60.

[stray tiger]

I'm sure some of that is due to fresh lube settling during shipping, especially when the boards get hot during transit and the lube warms up. Just a guess

[tawdry tree]

Do you know if stems are lubed by hand?

[harsh dove]

I also think some of us are asking for too much , cause we all have different preferences/perspectives on what we think is a good stab or lube job, whatever. It’s a machine in a factory at the end of the day. It’s gonna do a decent enough job to please the average user.

[tawdry tree]

From factory.

[harsh dove]

It’s not gonna be perfect for all of us

[tawdry tree]

Yes, and that’s fine for the 60HE to me but not for the Module IMO!

[untold wigeon]

Dude lmao

[tawdry tree]

Having them without lube in the box I would’ve liked a lot more.

[untold wigeon]

You're literally the only person I've seen with module stab issues

[uncut musk]

as someone who is very entry level into the hobby, im happy it comes with the stabs

[untold wigeon]

Your case is not everyone elses

🤦‍♀️

[stray tiger]

I'm 100% ok with people having high expectations, what I'm not ok with is people making blanket statement about things like product quality, that then lead to users buying new stabs when it's not needed 99.9% of the time.

[old swallow]

maybe you wouldve, but a lot of people wouldnt like that

[tawdry tree]

It’s not an issue as I said before.

[tawdry tree]

Why not?

[tawdry tree]

Not what I did.

[stray tiger]

Perfect example (and I know you guys see it) there are 40+ people a day in here asking where to buy long pole stabs for their Jades and the majority of people do not need them. Plus when they eventually change switches to something other than a jade, those LP stabs are going to be a headache.

[tawdry tree]

If that’s what you mean.

[harsh dove]

Literally

[old swallow]

cause a lot of people are gonna leave them as is, so if theyre not lubed its gonna be shit. now its good, and if you want great you do it yourself

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I said! 🤣🤣

[stray tiger]

All because 1 guy said he needed them and now everyone thinks they need them

[harsh dove]

Hence why I always try to tell people to TEST what they have first before buying a laundry list of mods and parts

[old swallow]

nah, buy before you try it right...

[placid field]

the l45 stem works for the franken geons right?

[uncut musk]

ye

[harsh dove]

Lmao that’s what it seems like half the time @old swallow

[tawdry tree]

Doesn’t the same go for switches, keycaps and case? 🤣

[harsh dove]

I see people with a list of 20 mods and they haven’t even tested their boards yet

[old swallow]

im not exempt from that, but ill just deal with that later lmao

[glacial wind]

I think for newer to keyboard people changing stabs for no reason seems to be some sort of weird right of passage

[old swallow]

yeah, thats why switches also come pre lubed

for people who dont want to do it themselfs

[glacial wind]

They do it then realize it did nothing because most stabs are fine and perform almost the same when tuned well lol

[old swallow]

youre failing to make a point here

[velvet egret]

100% when i just got started i had a laundry list of shit i wanted to do.. what have i done now.. i lubed switched/stabs, use the tofu foam+polyfill and i got no complaints 🙂 im a happy chap

[stray tiger]

Straight from the modding FAQ:

Q: What mods are recommended for the 60HE and which ones should I do?

A: While there are dozens of possible ways to modify your keyboard, some are simpler than others and many have a greater effect on the feel or sound than others. Before you start modifying your keyboard it's important to ask yourself "What am I hoping to accomplish with this mod, and will it provide the fix or change I am looking for?". It’s also advised to try doing mods one at a time. While these mods are considered “safe” there ARE times when a mod can have a negative impact and cause input errors. Taking these mods one at a time allows you to test before and after each mod so that you can easily determine if something goes awry and what caused it.

[tawdry tree]

It doesn’t come with switches, or case, or keycaps. You can all add that separately.

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/you-shall-not-pass-gandalf-wizard-gif-13584855

[old swallow]

yes, you can also add other stabs if you want, but you were talking about the lube right, not the including of stabs in the first place

[stray tiger]

The worst was when someone came in here saying people needed to clip their stabs and then for weeks we had people upset because their stabs were too rattly and they ended up needing to replace them.

[uncut musk]

bout time to rewatch the movies

[tawdry tree]

It’s a tough point, you mean people who’d add switches, a case and keycaps wouldn’t add stabs?

[harsh dove]

The amount of people I saw who clipped their stabs lmao and I’m like “uh… you didn’t need to do that”

[glacial wind]

It’s impressive how fast people copy paste advice without testing it or really knowing why they’re doing it

[harsh dove]

Pack mentality

[tawdry tree]

A sticky note in Discord would be good for that. “READ #🪛│modding_faq !!!”

[harsh dove]

It’s one thing to test stuff and try it out yourself but to see someone do something and just copy it without knowing or understanding why they did it , is another thing

[stray tiger]

Id love a perma sticky that says read the pinned messages lol

[old swallow]

people would add different stabs if the board didnt come with any, but this is fine for most people, so why not have them, otherwise it just makes it more complicated for a lot of people.

[harsh dove]

Maybe they did it cause the acoustics in their room bothered them, the acoustics in your room may be different lol

[uncut musk]

I kinda cringe a little bit when people have like 20 different mods copy and pasted they say they are going to do

[stray tiger]

Then some people would buy the wrong mounting type, wrong spacebar size, etc etc

[tawdry tree]

Maybe, I guess we’ll never know..

[bronze grove]

If you're reading this, congratulations. You found the stickeys, now read the rest

[harsh dove]

Alright, ima go put 50 layers of tape and foam in/on/ and around my keyboard. See ya guys

[old swallow]

yep. its good to include the stock stabs, cause 95% of people (including me) just use those. then the people that want to lube them can do that, and the people who want to switch them out for something else can do that. but theres no loss in adding the current ones

[tawdry tree]

I’m happy enough that they didn’t come with xht.

[old swallow]

you get the module yet cam?

[stray tiger]

I used it once, never again.

[harsh dove]

No sir, February

[uncut musk]

^

We are almost there

[old swallow]

oof, i think i was one of the first to get it

[harsh dove]

EU is first

[uncut musk]

sniffing the finish line

[old swallow]

im in NL, so even firster 🤔

[stray tiger]

Us povels in the US are part of the suffer gang

[harsh dove]

Basically

[tawdry tree]

It’d be good for these stabs it’s just a pain to clean, 205 is a lot easier.

[old swallow]

oh, and you get any response in regards to the black pc plate?

[harsh dove]

Yeah Sebastian got back to me

He said I get 50 black plates for free now

[old swallow]

so, i guess you got another white one for free

[velvet egret]

when did u get yours?

[old swallow]

euhm, let me check

^^

[velvet egret]

ha nice we got it same time

[tawdry tree]

Why did it take so long for me

wth

🥲🥲🥲

[velvet egret]

if u scrol up like 5 times u see my msg

xD

[old swallow]

depending on wherer you are from i guess

also which batch

[tawdry tree]

from nl

same batch as u brother

just unlucky I guess

[old swallow]

ooh haha, didnt even see that

[old swallow]

did you confirm adress as soon as you could?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[old swallow]

hmm, idk then

[velvet egret]

gbhaha insane that's funny

i confirmed my adres within 3 minuts of them sending out the mail

[old swallow]

too much complaining in wooting discord, they delayed your order on purpose

[tawdry tree]

🤣

[velvet egret]

They took it on an extra joyride across nl

[old swallow]

see, i always simp for wooting, so i get it quick

[velvet egret]

I begged for it

[tawdry tree]

Prob dhl sending it across europe first

[old swallow]

you just have to buy €500 worth of wooting products first, then you get it a day quicker

maybe...

[uncut musk]

urm

how abt $200

[old swallow]

nah, gotta be a wootwhale atleast

[velvet egret]

Yeah maybe.. mine did come with DHL.. im so thankful it came on saterday last weekend else i wouldnt be able to use it for like 2 weeks

[old swallow]

i got it from DHL aswell, my brother works there now tho, maybe he had something to do with it

[velvet egret]

100%

[uncut musk]

my brother would hide the package

[old swallow]

but mathieu ruined it, i cant say i was the first to get it

[uncut musk]

lol

[velvet egret]

haha sorry

[uncut musk]

Ill be the first NA trust

[old swallow]

insert copium frog

[uncut musk]

shh

[old swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[uncut musk]

modding chat so quiet now

[velvet egret]

Everyone is outspoken

[old swallow]

good night modding chat

[velvet egret]

This chat is gonna popoff in a few hours time

when NA starts getting on

[old swallow]

#🔧│keyboard_modding my beloved

[uncut musk]

general is scary

[velvet egret]

legit throughout the entire day the chat isnt too busy but from the time i go to bed and wake up theres always 400+ msgs to be read

[heavy dune]

Does anyone know if the newly released 60HE+ would work with frog mini without a custom plate?
My understanding is that the custom plate is needed for 60HE internal because the stabilizers were plate mounted for the 60HE, so the default plate would not work, but the 60HE+ is PCB mount.

[old swallow]

eurhm, we need an expert for this one, i got a birthday to be at, peace ✌️

[velvet egret]

Have fun!! Happy birthday to whoever it is 🙂

[old swallow]

ill tell my dad happy birthday from some stranger on the internet lmao

ok byeeee

[stray tiger]

You need a custom plate. Plate file is available

Won't work with ISO module though

[mental salmon]

I have not received any answer yet

Not that I am expecting 50 😄

[heavy dune]

hi there, do you know if the default frog mini plate would work with the upcoming 60HE+ (PCB mount stabilizer version)?
Are the switch cutout on the wooting plate different than stardard switch cutout on most custom keyboard plates?

[crimson sky]

won't work

[heavy dune]

do you have a link to the plate file?

[stray tiger]

It will work except for the ISO layout

[crimson sky]

since the switches need the extra support posts

otherwise the PCB can just fall off

[heavy dune]

because the switch is not binding the PCB and plate together? like the regular mech switches?

[crimson sky]

on regular mech switches you have metal pins

[heavy dune]

I am shopping for the ANSI layout

[crimson sky]

that are helping the connection

[heavy dune]

will the two legs provide enough friction to hold them together?

[crimson sky]

no

[heavy dune]

ah... ok... then i might need those standoff screws to keep them together...

[heavy dune]

is this the one you used? or it is the one I should use.
#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[placid field]

icl i dont get y ppl lube hall effect switches, prelube js fine

[crimson sky]

I have a custom one which I personally would not recommend in the way I got it

though I made improvements to it, the updated design I have is untested

[crimson sky]

the one you linked afaik is known good

[heavy dune]

sounds good, thanks for the help!

[heavy dune]

sorry, one last question, any trouble with the usb cutout fitting? does the PCB usb plug align perfectly with the frog mini case?

[crimson sky]

nope

fit perfectly

[heavy dune]

do you know if this will work with the 60HE+ module? Since the 60HE+ has pcb mount stabs, will the plate block off the stab housing?