🔧│keyboard_modding

[glossy pagoda]

Eyyy the 30% dude!

Glad it worked out for you 🙂

[velvet egret]

hahaha yeah!!!!1

[sullen salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vnmF0sh20M the sound test at the end is insane for a he board

[granite mist]

It's pretty good but I can hear those he switches. I hope the jade switches help with that.

[sullen salmon]

agreed, however i think this is probably the closest we are gonna get, alongside the jades

[glacial wind]

I’m curious to see per key latency tests for it

In the past latency is what meletrix wasn’t best with

[sour blade]

$99 dollar module seems fun '

[stray tiger]

I pre-ordered one back in Dec so I'll be checking all of this when it arrives.

[sharp yew]

wait the module comes with white stabs

thats like the only thing sticking out under my white pom keycaps, the default black stabs

[glacial wind]

I really should grab a module to try since I have the zoom75 and the 2 key module add on that fits for it too - but spent way too much on random fun buy stuff this month already

[normal schooner]

bro save money for the 80

[glacial wind]

80 already got money put aside for it

The robot massage chair I bought may have affected the fun spending budget this month more

[old swallow]

Look what came in the mail today

[sharp yew]

nice

anyone ever consider getting some pom ramunes and making a breaking bad keyboard 🐴

[waxen bane]

Just got my Magnetic Jade switches LFG

I’m thinking about buying a SteelSeries Apex Pro Mini in the meantime before my wooting module arrives in 3 weeks, should I mod one and then return it when my 60he+ arrives?

[median spade]

Remember all you guys modding your wooting to put switches south facing, and not north facing like I see a lot which makes sound worse for cherry profile

[bronze grove]

https://tenor.com/view/ronburgundy-agree-disagree-ron-burgundy-gif-5109282

[median spade]

I am using GMK so

[old swallow]

it wasnt for sound either right, it was because some switches can have interference?

im using cherry profile and its totally fine with the lekkers

[median spade]

It was both, and generally like they've said 99% of keycaps don't interfer, but if you're already modding and going the extra step as well as not using rgb. Might as well just do south facing

[velvet egret]

3 hours and 15 minutes in time for dinner

[quiet bay]

are you trying with raptor first and then try it with lekker stems?

[velvet egret]

yesss

[old swallow]

it is just the same yellow cable for the 60HE+ Module btw

[uncut musk]

😭😭 if only i lived in eu

[quiet bay]

Tbh wouldn’t know since noone has it yet but I would assume it is unless they changed it like for the two he and uwu

[bronze grove]

@old swallow It's stated clearly on the Module page. Same cable as the 60HE 😄

[hearty sierra]

someone already got their module and its the same cable

they posted it in #🕒│waiting_room

[harsh dove]

This isn’t an issue anymore

[median spade]

Still tho no reason to use north facing imo if you’re doing no rgb keycaps

Already pulling it apart so might as well go extra step and do south facing

[polar girder]

lol what

[harsh dove]

And yes, if it’s for RGB , that’s fine

But it doesn’t affect keycaps anymore

That’s an old issue

And I use GMK sets on my wootings

No issues

[hearty sierra]

so which way do i put my switches when i build it

[harsh dove]

Whichever way you want

[bronze grove]

North is fine. If you have ISO make sure the enter is west facing.

[hearty sierra]

i have the white keycaps that wooting sell and i wanna use rgb

i have ansi

[uncut musk]

all mine are upside down facing 😤

[harsh dove]

Keep them north facing then

[hearty sierra]

okok

[harsh dove]

Wooting PCB LEDs are north facing

[hearty sierra]

i wouldve thought theres only one way

[harsh dove]

If you wanna lower brightness or the RGB affects your keycaps in a way you don’t like, then put them south facing

[hearty sierra]

okay ty

[median spade]

Yeah I don't use RGB at all with mine so I'll keep it south facing because no reason to do north, but cool to know that it's not really a problem with newer stuff. I knew long pole was fine because of the stem not bottoming

[harsh dove]

Yeah I did south facing for one of my GMK sets cause I didn’t like how the RGB affected them but now I don’t use any RGB

[median spade]

You guys see this btw? Switches could possibly dethrone the jades for the moment when they show up:
https://fxtwitter.com/FRemare/status/1740375846693810348

the neo lavenders

[harsh dove]

To me personally, they have a similar hi-fi sound to jades

I like them tho, they’re still different

[median spade]

i have jades on the way as temptation got to me

[stuck verge]

I've just ordered the GMK Jamón 2 Base kit. Would love the novelties set to go with it but can't find them in stock. Anyone know where I might be able to find?

[median spade]

r/mechmarket is your only hope or the discord for it

[quiet bay]

@fluid ravine let me see one of ur switch taped switches

[fluid ravine]

lol

ok

[quiet bay]

Trying to find whats wrong with my switches .-.

[wet hazel]

So... Bandaid or paper cuts on the sides of the stem? 🤔

[fluid ravine]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[bright spruce]

are they wobbly? or whats the problem

[wet hazel]

Tysm

[quiet bay]

Finding out why it sounds inconsistent

[bright spruce]

bc the tolerances arent tight on the switches

[quiet bay]

Well yeah

I have switch tape mod on and it may be inconsistent

Might be because some tape is smaller in width than others

[normal schooner]

just remove the switch tape mod and it will be great

[fluid ravine]

or just buy new switches it will be amazing

[normal schooner]

looks like calder was right

its factory lubed

not hand lubed

[bronze grove]

Handlubing is just not realistic at mass production size.

They'd do just as light of an application as a machine.

[normal schooner]

I said that because it was stated on the website and calder debunked that on stream

[harsh dove]

Put headphones on while gaming and you won't hear the inconsistnecy

[harsh dove]

It said it was hand lubed on the website lol?

Where?

Just says "Pre Lubed: Yes" on Gateron

[untold wigeon]

i just ordered my jades last night....

[normal schooner]

it was in the past, or somwhere it claimed

[harsh dove]

Hmm, interesting I never saw that

I mean the lube job on them is really good and consistent so I'd almost believe it lol

[normal schooner]

I saw calder roast gatreon

with 40 others so theres that

[harsh dove]

But yeah like Mansen said, it's not realistic at all

[untold wigeon]

perhaps a translation error?

[normal schooner]

no theyre not stupid

[untold wigeon]

could be, i dont think anyone would buy the fact that one of the largest producers of switches would hand lube them

[quiet bay]

but like what if when im typing it to hear the sound 😩

[sweet cedar]

finally came

[agile grove]

im guessing you got the module

[sweet cedar]

yes

[tawdry tree]

KS-20U Switches late January/early February on AliExpress for anyone interested.

[median spade]

are those the dual rail ones

[dusk moon]

is there anyway to make the wooting 60he less stiff

[old swallow]

no, i said its yellow. i have my module

im probably one of the first since i live in the netherlands

[quiet bay]

oh wait u do?!

Niceeee

didn't know they already got delivered

[old swallow]

just got it today

already build it with jades and redux case

[fluid ravine]

@quiet bay this is what happens when i dont mod a keyboard for a month and yes it sounds medicore to me. The number keys needs life support 🗿

AND NO MY DESK IS NOT DIRTY, ITS JUST BUBBLES

WE POPS ZAH BUBBELS

Atleast gasket performance go hard

[old swallow]

I LOOVE POPPING ZA BUBBLES

[sharp yew]

https://tenor.com/view/shelbys-bebsi-bebzi-you-cant-forget-za-bebsi-you-cant-forget-za-bebzi-gif-4783756415081855434

[median spade]

Not really tbh due to the plate design and needing standoffs

[dusk moon]

oh ok

[median spade]

Pc plate makes it slightly softer but not by much

Can only do so much with tray mount and mounting points across the whole plate

[old swallow]

i dont really notice a huge difference in feel with the PC plate. its mostyly for sound

[fluid ravine]

@dusk moon skip to part of the end :)

at like 1:13

trust

[dusk moon]

bro

how

tell me your ways

[fluid ravine]

hehe

[dusk moon]

thats softer than my bed

[median spade]

The trick is to hold your pinky up

That’s how

[fluid ravine]

Gummy Mount (Friction Mount)+Polyfill as case foam or any foam that is soft and can bounce or whatever
But if you have money, you can buy a PSD60 Gasket Mount case and print your own Gasket Plate compatible for the board

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[fluid ravine]

real

[dusk moon]

ok ty

[fluid ravine]

yep

[median spade]

Any sound test of them on billibilli or anywhere

[fluid ravine]

they havent been released yet

soon

tho

[tawdry tree]

Yes, there’s one or two but I don’t have the link.

[fluid ravine]

KS-20U?

[median spade]

In hindsight I wish had I had done psd60 over frog mini but it is what it is

[tawdry tree]

You can hear them on KBDFans Takka60 as well.

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[fluid ravine]

ah

[tawdry tree]

You can buy them already on taobao

[fluid ravine]

ic

[fluid ravine]

psd60 tray mount?

[spare mauve]

just installed the jades in a friends stock 60he (stabilizers lubed) and the sound is so much thockier. wobbling is crazy better and feel also. i love it.
I cant wait to see how it sounds / feels on my module with pc plate

no issues with the spacebar with shorter stems

[white dagger]

Does anyone knows if the Holy60 case from KBD is compatible with the Wooting 60HE?

[tawdry tree]

It is.

[fluid ravine]

spacebar sounding good

[white dagger]

Thaks

[fluid ravine]

switch carrying it

[median spade]

This one?

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[spare mauve]

man the spacebar is crazy. i wish everything sounded like the spacebar 😄

[fluid ravine]

sounds like a spacebar with long pole switches

really accurate

[median spade]

Gasket

[fluid ravine]

ah

[median spade]

Just frog mini didn’t change much tbh from the tofu

And cost way more

[fluid ravine]

whats tadpole mount like

i forgot how the system works

[median spade]

It’s like a softer top mount

[fluid ravine]

too broke to know

ah

[median spade]

But also close to gasket

Just depends on hardness of tadpole used

[fluid ravine]

use like little cups right?

[median spade]

Essentially

[fluid ravine]

hmmmm

like the tofu60 2.0?

one of the mount uses little cups or whatever

[median spade]

That’s kind of its own thing but similar idea

[fluid ravine]

kk

yep, like how i imagined it

alr

what you think of it

[median spade]

It’s p good

I rate it up there with oring gummy and isolated gasket

[fluid ravine]

ah

w

[fluid ravine]

what do you have in your build so far?

got a sound test?

[median spade]

I have l60 stem in raptor on a pom plate

I’ll make one real quick

[devout torrent]

your keyboard sounds insane dude

so good

[fluid ravine]

damn you type fast as shit, but really solid.

[fluid ravine]

thanks

[devout torrent]

are you using lekkers?

[fluid ravine]

yep, still using the lekkers

[median spade]

just a weebit but

[devout torrent]

I need to lube my jades

you got hella thock

[median spade]

i got aluminum plate on the way and then the jades

think that will be the combo for a while

[fluid ravine]

haha still surprised how im still holding on to dear life

[fluid ravine]

sound good 👍

[devout torrent]

wtf did you do?

even with the medical tape mod my board didnt sound that good

pc plate + mlv foam in the bottom

[median spade]

I need cherry to make some HE switches so i can get wooting to sound like my customs

[devout torrent]

wooting pls collab with cherry

[fluid ravine]

lmao

[devout torrent]

would get you away from gateron's bs too

[fluid ravine]

thats a first

[median spade]

this is what i want in my wooting

[fluid ravine]

GH60 Alu Case (Tofu V1 Clone)
Lubed Lekkers
3 Layers Switch Tape Mod
Lubed TX AP Plate Mount Stabs (Krytox on Housing and stem, Nothing on Wires)
PC Plate
Tempest Mod (1 layer)
Glorious GBPT Keycaps
No Plate Foam
Polyfill
Gummy Mount

simple stuff

[devout torrent]

very cool

btw did you have any issues with gummy mount and AP stabs/

[fluid ravine]

use to be alot of shit but found out a way to make it sound better or the same with less

[devout torrent]

I have AP stabs but I feel like it sticks out a little

[fluid ravine]

Nope

[devout torrent]

the oring

[fluid ravine]

im using plate mount

i dont have the module

[devout torrent]

ok cool ima have to try it once I get myh alu case again

ok same same

cool

[fluid ravine]

how so

[devout torrent]

idk I think I did something wrong

was trying to do it in stock case

but it didnt fit at all lol

maybe I have wrong ring

[fluid ravine]

what do you have and what were you trying to do

you were the one that ask me if you could gummy mount in a stock case, is that correct?

[devout torrent]

yeah

I think you mentioned it's possible

but I couldnt make it work

[fluid ravine]

ah

[devout torrent]

I feel like backspace area was sticking out too much

[fluid ravine]

i remember some how

[devout torrent]

or something

[fluid ravine]

its possible

do you have plate foam?

[devout torrent]

oh yeah I do

[fluid ravine]

have i told you that you need it to be compressed for the ring to fully fit into the case and module

[devout torrent]

wdym?

the foam?

[fluid ravine]

the plate foam yeah

[devout torrent]

ahh I see

thats prob my issue then

[fluid ravine]

cus since its not compressed it would have the oring stick out by alot making it extremely hard to insert the module into the case with the ring

but if you put force and installing it correctly, it will be possible

[devout torrent]

I might give it a shot again

[fluid ravine]

the standoff next to the backspace btw makes the oring sticks out a little
but you can press it in without a problem

[devout torrent]

gonna lube the jades today so gonna do it at the same time

[fluid ravine]

here

[devout torrent]

ahh yeah that was my exact problem

I'll press it in more

[fluid ravine]

Heres a solution to your problem, if you're using plate foam. Have the gummy oring sit around the module with the foam for like a few minutes or until it compress enough so you can insert it, or you can do no foam like some of us and run it liek that. It wont affect the magnets at all so you dont have to worry. You might even like the way it sounds, who knows.

[devout torrent]

ye I might test the configs

with silicone I assume compressing it might be hard

but I am using the regular foam rn anyways

[fluid ravine]

silicone wont compress

its impossible to use gummy mount with silicone

[devout torrent]

ahh I se

cool sticking with the foam then for sure

[median spade]

Okay i said it wasn't muich difference than tofu but that was a lie

[red igloo]

sounds good

[median spade]

@red igloo this is now

[red igloo]

sound even better

[median spade]

yeee

i was comparing my sound test as i was like tofu vs frog mini not much different

yeah nah i was just mis-remembering

[red igloo]

yeah thinking about moding mine

soon

[median spade]

[red igloo]

HAHAHA nah but first need some money and then idk what to buy

[cyan adder]

How ? Didn’t ppl said we needed to swap to tx stabs ?

[median spade]

it's just potential to be weird

it's fine with long pole and normal stabs

you kind of put it on and then do this balancing thing is all

[spare mauve]

worried about that too, but no need to do anything. at least in my case

[sterile nest]

I just did this and ngl it's a bigger difference then I thought it would be

[valid notch]

Hello everyone, I just received my Alumaze60 and i'm wondering where do I have to put these ? Thanks

[bronze grove]

On the standoffs. Optional.

[valid notch]

These ? Or on the pcb ?

[bronze grove]

Either.

They go between the two either way as cushions.

[valid notch]

Not on the pcb as people did on youtbe then ?

Like this

Or does it ?

[bronze grove]

Those are orings.

Much thicker.

[bronze grove]

Like I said - Either put them on the standoff. Or on the PCB bottom side where the screws go through. Literally the same end result.

[valid notch]

I'm sorry, i'm really beginner in the modding world and i don't want to put them in a bad place

Ok thanks ! 👍

[spare mauve]

thats what this channel is made for

[spice steeple]

If you have a gasket, is it still worth using the o-ring mod? My plan is the tofu redux with GMK keycaps, using a gasket, O-rings and painters tape mods whilst using the wooting supplied sound dampner.. does that sound like it would work altogether, never modded a keyboard before. (Don't want to risk lubing the switches)

[agile grove]

risk what lubing the switches?

[lilac grove]

some one knows if you can use the normal tofu case for the module?

was only the usb slot that was a problem or not idk it anymore ask for a friend

[loud zephyr]

If it's the original Tofu60, then yes, spec should mention tray mount with the USB port on the left side

[atomic solstice]

hello guys. is it fine to ask modding tips on other keyboards?

[agile grove]

technically but you might have issues with the USB slot

[stray tiger]

Ask away.

[old swallow]

yeah, not here. ask away /s

[stray tiger]

You can't use gasket mounting with the Tofu redux

[uncut musk]

Trying to decide on if i want to stick with the lekkers or get the jades

[atomic solstice]

I have a keyboard that i just got that came built with very well lubed switches and a silicone (pad foam ?) at the bottom of the case between the case and the pcb. I was wondering what easy mods i could try to do to change the sound profile to something i might enjoy more, just easy to try stuff that might improve my experience. Thank you!

[stray tiger]

Check https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1103459740186595399 as those mods can apply to all boards.

[fluid ravine]

how abt wait for more releases and decide there

[quiet bay]

im just sticking with lekkers 😭

gotta prioritize other peripherals now

[normal schooner]

another woot member

[fluid ravine]

huh?

[fluid ravine]

[uncut musk]

Ig i should just see how I feel about the lekkers once I get them with my module

[fluid ravine]

Now and days, they're pretty ass (sorry woot, no hate) but would wait for more releases of like the KS-20U, etc.

Who knows, there could be better HE switches than Jades or whatever

god i love that emoji

cute

[normal schooner]

[fluid ravine]

Sorry Arden

I luv u :)

[mental salmon]

@fluid ravine are you using the stock stabs, if that is the case what mods did you do apart from lubing them?

[fluid ravine]

No I am not using the stock stabs, i am currently using the TX AP Plate Mount stabilizers. The only mods i did to it is Krytox 2050g0 on stem and housing and no grease on the wires because im lazy and it already sounds really good without them for me. (The stem and housing thickness increased so it means it has tighter tolerance which makes it a lot easier to lube and grease without having rattle problems for holee mod and etc)

When I had the stock stabs, I lubed the stem and housing with krytox 205g0, Holee modded with fabric bandaid, and use dielectric grease on the wires. (Clipped them on accident, which you shouldnt)

[mental salmon]

Thanks, I will start doing the same but in the stock ones (krytox 205g0), in about one week or so I will receive my PC plate then I will disassemble the keeb and take the opportunity to improve the stabs

[uncut musk]

So lubing and then the switch tape mod for the lekkers ✍️?

[fluid ravine]

For my build yes

[mental salmon]

For now I will continue lubing the l60s ( half way through so far)

[fluid ravine]

If you're willing to take the time and save as much money as possible while making the lekkers sound better. Then yeah go ahead and follow my guide in the #🪛│modding_faq

its better to do this while lubing so you dont have to spare extra times of your life.

[mental salmon]

I will receive films, not sure if that will be an improvement, but I will give them a shot

[fluid ravine]

But if you have money unlike me and pochizo (haha) should get new sets of HE switches like Jades, but I advise to wait for now as more releases are coming out

[fluid ravine]

What brand films are you buying, I honestly would avoid using films as they are quite fiddly to install as they are a waste of time and a waste of money as they dont really improve anything on the lekkers. They would probably likely will make them sound worst fyi.

[mental salmon]

Someone commented here he was using TX, I purchased those 0.15mm and 0.125mm, not sure they will improve the l60s

[fluid ravine]

Pochizo?

[mental salmon]

Sorry, do not remember

[fluid ravine]

She is the only member i know that has TX films, they work better than other films from what i heard from them. (work better as in installing much easier)

[mental salmon]

Then she must be the one

[fluid ravine]

But 3d printed are much better as you can print custom dimensions specifically for the lekker/KS-20 type switches

still a bit fiddly but better than something like from wuque studios

talking abt TX films

[mental salmon]

I am consolidating all things in a single shipment

[fluid ravine]

i see

[mental salmon]

Going back to my question about stabs, there will be an improvement about using both dielectric grease and krytox 205g0 instead of only krytox?

[fluid ravine]

Well you see, Krytox 205g0 is most known for lubing switches (linear switches especially) and lubing the stem and housing of a stabilizer. We/I don't recommend using krytox on the wire as it is too thin and it is a waste of money as krytox is expensive. Dielectric grease however is alot thicker than krytox because its a type of grease of course. It will reduce/remove rattle out of a stabilizer once you apply it and break it in.

There's other grease out there but dielectric grease is easy to buy and get im guessing and it serves us keyboard modders quite well

But if you notice there is still rattle in your stabilizers, you can go ahead and get some fabric bandaid and perform holee mod or get some plumbers tape to perform the plumber mod.

[mental salmon]

Perfect then, I will receive dielectric grease too, and I have very few Krytox left

[fluid ravine]

If you live in the US you can find them in some auto stores like auto zone or where ever

[mental salmon]

I hope I can get the a similar degree of improvement of lubing the stabs compared with lubing the l60s, I am happy with the lubed ones now

[fluid ravine]

[mental salmon]

Do not live in the US, but buy there, that is why I am consolidation a single shipment

[fluid ravine]

ahh

that makes sense

[mental salmon]

Thanks for all help

[fluid ravine]

No problemo

Anytime when I can

[mental salmon]

I will post a short video when all is done, will not be ground breaking 🙂

But I sure I will be happy with the result

[naive grotto]

hi guys, i'm completely new to kb modding and was wondering if someone could go over the list of mods i want to do and see if its good o7, heres what im planning:
-tofu60 redux
-gateron jade switches
-wooting pc plate
-painters tape
-gummy o-ring mount

[stray tiger]

Hard to say if it's a good list since we don't know what problem you're trying to solve or things you want to change with the mods

[naive grotto]

ohh i see, i mainly just want it to sound better

that's pretty much it

[stray tiger]

Start with how it comes and go from there

[naive grotto]

anything wrong on the list or anything that is redundant?

in your opinion

[untold wigeon]

imo the jades are somewhat overrated, the newest batches of lekkers really dont sound bad

i wouldnt say theyre worth the 50-80 unless you have a lot of spare cash

do you have a wooting already

[quiet bay]

people get jades and raptors because they don't wanna hear the chattery sound

and also lekkers are really loose

[untold wigeon]

lekkers arent chattery in a tofu with a pc plate

[cinder merlin]

seems fine

[quiet bay]

there's a huge difference

[cinder merlin]

u can add them one by one and listen to the sound as u do it

[quiet bay]

between lekkers and jades & raptors

[weary tree]

They are chattery

So much wiggle room you can switch tape mod them with multiple layers of tape

[silver pecan]

yoo what happens if i dont get the long pole tx ap stabs with jades

i ordered the regular ones

will it mess up

[median spade]

You’ll be fine

[static tendon]

Great build, just to confirm though. When mentioning "wooting pc plate" do you mean the module?

Cause if it's the module, you're still missing key caps

I know a lot of us tend to have high end wooting builds but what typing speed does most of everyone here average?

[quick gulch]

Average typing speed is probably like 80

[copper pulsar]

i want to get a new keycap set but i don’t want like

something basic like gmk samurais

i don’t know what to get

[static tendon]

My score just now

[copper pulsar]

this is my current build, my wooting module is expected by the end of this month

but i need a new keycap set

these aren’t bad just kinda basic

[quick gulch]

130 on 15s test is a bit above average

[static tendon]

GMK vaporwave - https://novelkeys.com/products/cyl-vaporwave-w2

[quick gulch]

But I don’t see why it matters how fast people type. Honestly I like rt for typing

[copper pulsar]

i saw these, they’re nice i just don’t think they go with my current case

[static tendon]

Gotcha, I need to hit 160. Most i've gotten was like 136 WPM

[copper pulsar]

im thinking on buying a diffident case and keycaps for my wooting build

tofu60 redux cases ship fairly fast

[static tendon]

Gotcha makes sense

[quick gulch]

Fast for 15s would be like 160+ yea

[static tendon]

Yeah I have some freinds that can hit 160+, mind blowing fast

[copper pulsar]

i might buy a black tofo60redux

or actually i wonder if

[static tendon]

Safe choice

[copper pulsar]

https://kbdfans.com/products/holy60?variant=41813420540043

do u think this would fit the wooting module.

because if so

[static tendon]

I was thinking about potentially getting that case. It should fit

[copper pulsar]

i MIGHT pre order

[copper pulsar]

it’s beautiful i’m ngl

amazing case and it’s very unique

[static tendon]

I'm holding off for reviews to get a better understanding of the sound and feel. Plus I already have a Alumaze60 on the way, but I may sell it down the line and pick up another case

[copper pulsar]

i believe it would fit, because it fits the rakka60he pcb which is considered to be like the wooting pcb

[sweet cedar]

no

[copper pulsar]

that’s another thing tho. i tape mod my keyboards so unless i get like black masking tape

[static tendon]

The wooting module discount is what sold me on the Alumaze60, took off like 30-40$ or something

[copper pulsar]

i don’t know how that would look

[copper pulsar]

i thought about the alumaze, but i went with the tofu solely because im more familiar with it

i need to order new stabs and some krytox for when i get my module

[static tendon]

Honestly I think the Tofu is the better option if you don't mind it's steep typing angle. The module had a lower typing angle which I think I prefer so that also helped make my decision

[copper pulsar]

i’m used to higher typing angles as most of my older builds have had a higher angle, i understand where ur coming from though

[static tendon]

If you're in the US you can try Divinikey. Good site to order tofu, stabs and other keyboard things

[stray tiger]

Not going to be a reason to tape mod with a case like the Holy60. Sound isn't going to be why you buy it.

[copper pulsar]

normally i buy from kbdfans i’ve used divinikey as well though

[static tendon]

Yeah this is very true

[copper pulsar]

very true, i just don’t see it being a case for sound connoisseurs

it’s a very nice case though

[static tendon]

I'll prob pick up a tofu/holy60 from there when I order one (if I do 🙂 )

Eh, the wooting usually has a very meh sound regardless so I think the holy60 case would fit the wooting well

[stray tiger]

It won't be, so no reason to tape mod. Just enjoy it for the looks or avoid it. All speculation of course. Also it's going to be very light. You'll ever love that or hate that

[copper pulsar]

ooo….

see now i don’t really know

i was hoping for a heavier case

i know a lot of weight is cut out but

still

this is one of my favorite wooting builds i’ve seen so far

this is the one bad seed tech built, very simple but i like the simplicity of it

[static tendon]

It looks very clean

Badseedtech and optimum have top tier builds

[copper pulsar]

i love this blank set

[static tendon]

Same

This isn't a wooting but it works for the wooting. This would be my end game wooting

[stray tiger]

GMK striker?

[static tendon]

Correct

[copper pulsar]

this keycap set is also really nice

[static tendon]

The white and blue looks very clean

[stray tiger]

Pretty sure I have a sealed set of striker stashed away somewhere

[static tendon]

Oh yeah? R2?

[stray tiger]

Yeah r2

[static tendon]

Nice! There's still 1 more site selling them to this day but they are charging about $140 which isn't too much higher than the original 120$ they had it selling for

[stray tiger]

Remind me tomorrow and I'll look. Headed to bed

[static tendon]

I was considering to pick up that set as well but ehhhhhhhh striker is very dark blue, like navy. This picture I sent is very bright. It's darker in person

[copper pulsar]

i’ve always loved the strikers ever since i first saw them

when taeha types did a build with them

[quiet bay]

beautiful board

but fingerprints 🤔

[static tendon]

If you're actually interested this site still sells the GMK striker for a reasonable price https://oblotzky.industries/products/gmk-cyl-striker-2

this price converts to $127 USD

It's also on some official verndor list i've reviewed in the past

[static tendon]

Yeah it's a legendary build. It's what really hooked me into the hobby

Even after Tfue got the keyboard, he didn't really use it all that much

[copper pulsar]

i know, it kinda upset me not gonna lie 😭

[static tendon]

I used to watch his streams a lot but he didn't like how loud it was

[copper pulsar]

hmmm, might make a childhood dream come true really quick lol

[static tendon]

🤔

[copper pulsar]

i’ve been wanting the strikers literally for 3 years now

still like

my top 3 favorite keycaps

if i do get them id buy another case, probably another redux

[static tendon]

I think i'm in the same boat.

My favorites go in this order

1. GMK Vaporwave
2. GMK Retrocast
3. GMK Striker

[copper pulsar]

the dark blue would match perfectly

but the purple would give them contrast

if u get what i’m saying

[static tendon]

Love this key cap set as well

Always in stock as well https://drop.com/buy/drop-mito-gmk-pulse-custom-keycap-set/talk?defaultSelectionIds=971590

[pale aspen]

top mount is good

[untold wigeon]

You could get pretty good deals on the aftermarket as well

Sometimes striker goes for as low as $80-90 on mechmarket

[loud zephyr]

Need Gmk Perestoika. Also... 600+ aftermarket

[crimson sky]

Lin burgundy ain't far off

[loud zephyr]

i'm done with normie fonts

[pale aspen]

MTNU Rascal

[loud zephyr]

no such thing, or is Google drunk?

[pale aspen]

https://lykkostudio.com

discord at the bottom

[loud zephyr]

all good, I'm not really looking for anything at the moment. Still slowly getting used to blanks

[pale aspen]

color is very cumge

should burgandy case

[loud zephyr]

nice profile kaps, would def try someday

[spice steeple]

@stray tiger oh, misled a little then as this says it will work with the tofu although it does not specifically say redux https://www.mechmods.co.uk/products/tofu-60-gasket-mount-o-ring

[spice steeple]

yes, I've never done it and don't want to risk doing it wrong

[atomic plaza]

Maybe this ? I don't remember if it was this video that I've seen clicky switchs @untold wigeon 😅

[oak scarab]

New to keyboards what the easiest mod?

[stray tiger]

Changing keycaps

[cunning aspen]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1196042821455597648

Does anyone know if these will work with the wooting60

[obsidian dagger]

turn it upside down

australia mod

[loud zephyr]

case swap
foam or no foam
pc plate
re-lube switches and stabs

[loud zephyr]

the locking clips look kinda odd and no 2 pins beneath

so no. it'll probabl burn your house down

[cunning aspen]

Most definitely won't but thanks for the heads up

[loud zephyr]

Well maybe not your house, but something

[cunning aspen]

The day I hear about a switch causing a fire of some sort I'll stop buying custom keyboards 😭

[loud zephyr]

lol I'm kidding

[untold wigeon]

lmao

you think a switch could cause an electronic fire?

[pale aspen]

Venom HE TKL prototype pcb

picture from Seoul Mechanical Keyboard Expo 2024

[glossy pagoda]

Do you have a bigger photo?

[pale aspen]

i dont

i got from other korean guy

[glossy pagoda]

🕵️

[pale aspen]

removeable standoff at pcb tho

so many standoff point

but make sense

witout that you need steel plate

[loud zephyr]

right hand side usb port, another tkl... pass

[pale aspen]

probably prototype

since they said it use duaghterboard

from picture it seem has hot swap 6.25u and 7u

but only f12

wkl is option

[crimson sky]

wtf

that built in DB is very based

[loud zephyr]

bro hasn't even finished his F2-60 keyboard, and now jumping the HE bandwagon

[pale aspen]

above Arrow key?

[crimson sky]

F2-60 prob won't happen

[pale aspen]

good notice

[crimson sky]

yea

[loud zephyr]

[crimson sky]

is a unified DB

[crimson sky]

F2-84 was horrible

[pale aspen]

becaus bad feet

lol

[crimson sky]

no

the mount just didn't work out

[pale aspen]

built in DB = solder?

[crimson sky]

no

[pale aspen]

form soundtest, plateless is fine for me

[crimson sky]

which was the worse option for the F1

[crimson sky]

you can use both the onboard USB port or break it off and use a daughterboard

[pale aspen]

that make sense because tiger lite has center usb c

[crimson sky]

tiger 80 has a different pcb

cause kbdfans is special

also the tiger 80 is a DB

not center USB

important difference

[pale aspen]

my bad, i was gonna say that but simpify too much

center usb with DB

[crimson sky]

ye

well

not wrong

but there used to be boards with center USB on a tkl

with a fixed port

monstagear xo k80 for example

has the port fixed on the PCB at the middle

[pale aspen]

[naive grotto]

oh i already have the wooting, just getting the pc plate separately

[velvet egret]

Does anyone know of a good carrying case for tofu redux?

[agile grove]

the wooting carrying case

[velvet egret]

That is compatible with it?

[agile grove]

I've heard it is

there might be a small amount of empty space on the sides tho

but I've heard it should be fine

[velvet egret]

Hm alright, thanks! Ill keep that in consideration, ill see if anyone else has some ideas

[stray tiger]

I have some of these on the way to test. I think they will be here this week but don't plan to test until my stream

[cunning aspen]

[pale aspen]

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/QqAO6oQJovlW

[urban chasm]

are the orange ks20 switches any good

[agile grove]

they're pretty much just lekker switches with different springs and orange

so no

not worth it imo

[urban chasm]

oh ok

[stray tiger]

I can't seem to translate that fully. What's the summary?

[stable kindle]

Anything new in the modding world that I've missed out on in the last week?

Day#103 of wooting taking my money and holding onto my module

[stray tiger]

Lots of new stuff. Check the Friday video if you havent for more info on 80HE

[tawdry tree]

Reading through the terrible translation, it’s in depth af

The translated text in the picture above is something I expected but didn’t know yet.

What is zFrontier even? I thought it was a store but it’s a forum as well?

[tawdry tree]

What the heck? Why did you block me? 😂😂😂

I’m so confused. 🤨

[spare mauve]

its probably like when u block unknown callers

[tawdry tree]

He DMed me not too long ago and seemed pretty chill. I don’t remember anything happening. 😂

[polar girder]

No box stem. FML

[stray tiger]

Well at least they didn't add "tactile" HE switches like other manufacturers did

[tawdry tree]

Which HE switch is tactile and is it compatible?

[harsh dove]

Tactile HE switches seems odd considering HE switches are ideally for gaming and tactile is not

[stray tiger]

Unknown if its compatible, havent tested yet. Plan to in the next few weeks

[tawdry tree]

Many say that but I think it’s a non argument really because tactile switches are linear before and after the bump. You could use them normally as tactile switches and still benefit from Rapid Trigger or you could use them for DKS specific keys. I want them so bad as I believe they can be really useful.

[tawdry tree]

Do you know their name/manufacturer?

[harsh dove]

Wasn't really an arguement, was just my thoughts on it lol

[tawdry tree]

Yeah I know, I didn’t mean you specifically but many argued that when I said how useful they could be.

[stray tiger]

The assumed issue with the tactile bump is the lack of proper distance measurement while traversing the "bump" you can't really control the key press precision as well as I would think you would want to as a "pro gamer"

[devout torrent]

@stray tiger Do you think the hibi hero will be poppy like the June due to the silicone base? I am thinking about ordering one for my wooting

[stray tiger]

No idea honestly. The silicone and aluminum mix could change it drastically.

[devout torrent]

yeah its pretty hard to tell they have a couple sound tests but ofc thats with their plate and what not

[fluid ravine]

home from school, hi guys! :D

[stray tiger]

School onm Sunday?

[devout torrent]

ye I was about to say the same

[fluid ravine]

everyday

7 days a week

[stray tiger]

Asian struggles

[fluid ravine]

[harsh dove]

I don't doubt it tbh, switches are really just personal preference, I could see finger fatigque in gaming with tactile switches tho after long hrs

there's my argument xD

[tawdry tree]

I’d use it in combination with DKS to slow/give tactile feedback to more precisely time the 2nd input. Many would benefit from this as it’s pretty hard to not fully press a switch in intense moments.

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t switch out all linears for tactiles obviously, only some. But I get your point.

[fluid ravine]

are yall talking abt tactile in a HE switch?

[harsh dove]

Yeah I feel you

[harsh dove]

yessir

[tawdry tree]

Do you know their name/manufacturer by any chance?

[fluid ravine]

hmmm

[harsh dove]

I have mixed feelings about it lol

[fluid ravine]

how suppose to manufacture that

[stray tiger]

Yes I do

[harsh dove]

at least for gaming

[fluid ravine]

no leaf ;-;

not that it is impossible

but im wondering

[tawdry tree]

You mind giving me that information captain?

[fluid ravine]

thatd be a interesting design in the HE market

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-boat-hijack-im-the-captain-now-barkhad-look-at-me-gif-4242563

[tawdry tree]

Clicky HE switches when? 🤣

[stray tiger]

Not going to post it in here until I can verify compatibility. Already too many people quoting rumor as fact in this channel.

[harsh dove]

I'd buy Tactile HE just to try them

I can't have a valid opinion without trying them

[fluid ravine]

someone made a DIY HE lekker switch

idk who but i saw it

[tawdry tree]

In my DMs then? I’d want to try them regardless if they’re compatible or not.

[fluid ravine]

it was sick

[harsh dove]

Like with the Long Pole stabs and Jades

[tawdry tree]

Interesting.

[harsh dove]

Everyone thinks that rumor is fact

[fluid ravine]

yeah i got questions abt them in my dms and everythin

idk how to answer

;-;

[harsh dove]

Yeah same

[tawdry tree]

Oh god the long pole and jades..

[quiet bay]

damn wth

[stray tiger]

Ive already lost count of how many people have asked me questions about certain switches and compatibility, don't want to add another to the list lol. Once I confirm if they work or don't I'll let you guys know.

[fluid ravine]

normal school 8 hrs
sat school 4 hrs
sun school 2 hrs

[quiet bay]

that sucks

[tawdry tree]

You don’t need long poles with jades. Normal stems are fine you just need to make sure they’re up in the keycap all the way.

[stray tiger]

What about church school on Sundays? I've seen your Jesus pictures in the house

[fluid ravine]

thanks

[quiet bay]

I got a 4 day weekend because of faculty meeting and martin luther king day 😂

[fluid ravine]

same

but take 2 off cus weekend school

[fluid ravine]

what abt em?

[stray tiger]

Was asking if you have church school as well on Sundays or just normal school

[fluid ravine]

just learn some stuff abt being catholic and all that

[tawdry tree]

Stab travel distance = +/- 4mm
Jade switch travel distance = +/- 3.5mm

.5mm 😬😬😬😬😬

[fluid ravine]

church school on weekends

[stray tiger]

Ahh ok now that makes sense

[quiet bay]

man I couldn't do church school while im already attending a catholic school ;-;

[fluid ravine]

i dont really pay attention cus i just wanna go home :(

[stray tiger]

Not optional for altar boys

[quiet bay]

Jesus is cool and all but like that's too much Jesus

for me

[harsh dove]

Lol thank you Tirade, you are appreciated

[fluid ravine]

real

He will always be appreciated

[halcyon obsidian]

I’m ready for my module

[fluid ravine]

wassup?

you're recieving it soon?

[polar girder]

NA module waiting room

[halcyon obsidian]

It says like feb 4th 🥲

[polar girder]

Oh Wooting is awesome and added the black pc plate to my order btw

Had to pay ofc but got the module and black PC plate on one order now which is good

NA module creeping along

[uncut musk]

been slowly creeping

[fluid ravine]

RIP

[uncut musk]

gotta put some super sonic jett engines on the back of that boat 😭

[fluid ravine]

w

WOOT WOOT!

[fluid ravine]

FR

LMAO

[uncut musk]

lmao, bros taking his sweet time piloting that boat

[fluid ravine]

fk man

it pissed me off when usps didnt drop off my PC plate

[devout mesa]

anyone know some good pre lubed or pre hand lubed switches for the wooting 60he?

[fluid ravine]

Gateron Jades

As of right now

[uncut musk]

if it didn’t get delayed would have been getting shipped out in 2 days, actually unfortunate not their fault. Im excited for videos to come out on the module though and see what type of cases people put it in

[tawdry tree]

KS-20U late Jan/early Feb on ali btw

[fluid ravine]

thanks

ima wait for reviews

b4 the day comes

[tawdry tree]

I thought about ordering them from tao but that’d be €64 not including shipping lmao

[polar girder]

YeH I’m not fucking with taobao

I don’t like app only interface

And I only speak English cuz I’m a dumb American

[tawdry tree]

tao is just like amazon but chinese I think

[polar girder]

Ali express is solid but I don’t mess with taobao yet lol

Yeah I don’t have anything against it. But any time I click link I can’t see it unless I download app

[tawdry tree]

It’s hard to order from there, can’t do it without something like parcelup

[tawdry tree]

true

[polar girder]

So I boycott it lol

I’m liking my frankenlekkers more now tho

I was typing last night thinking how they’ve settled in nicely since initial install

Less friction

Smoother,easier

No rush for next switch upgrade

[tawdry tree]

Oh nice!

No scratchiness?

[tawdry tree]

How long ago did you install them?

[devout mesa]

are gateron jades switches better then the raptor he? im new to modding a keyboard so im just wondering

[polar girder]

Month or so I think

[polar girder]

Better is subjective

[devout mesa]

what do mean by that?

[polar girder]

But jades seem to be the preferred HE switch at the moment

[devout mesa]

hmm ok ok

[polar girder]

Like it’s not a performance thing. It’s a feel/sound thing

[gleaming umbra]

is it worth it to wait for the KS-20Us instead buying Jades

[fluid ravine]

i mean you should

wait for reviews and all that

im pretty sure @harsh dove is gonna try them out

we can wait for his review or some others and decide from there

thats what im doing

[tawdry tree]

Decent break in period.

[tawdry tree]

My atk should arrive tomorrow if it’s not delayed again and module should arrive soon too. Gonna do a sound test with ks-37Bs which should sound similar to the ks-20Us

also ordering the ks-20Us the moment they’re on ali

[fluid ravine]

👍

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m chilling and will probably wait 6 months to hear how they all unfold then buy another set

[unreal pendant]

getting used to the jades' shorter travel distance takes some time but they're good

they're awful for osu though imo

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m not 100% sold on jades rn

They seem good but yeah.

[unreal pendant]

they're the best HE switches I've tried so far, they sound the best and feel the best in general

[untold wigeon]

how much they cost

[unreal pendant]

$50 for 70 iirc

[untold wigeon]

too much

[gleaming umbra]

seems like a good idea thanks

[fluid ravine]

$60 plus shiping and tax for people in the US

cheapest shipping option if there is

[static tendon]

Happen to know the travel distance on them?

[untold wigeon]

no idea what this means

[unreal pendant]

3.5

[static tendon]

Awesome. Appreciate the screenshot with the added details as well

I like the reduced travel distance, wish the regular lekkars were like that or had that option to choose from

[scarlet blaze]

I've seen a sort of blase, tepid feeling toward the lekkers.... can I get a "layman's" breakdown of why?
ELI5

[polar girder]

They perform great. Any gripes are with their feel/sound

With that being said, many people do not have any issue with them

[tawdry tree]

Tolerances and sound.

and the fact that Gateron made them. It’s not up to par with Gateron’s (recent) standerd at all, not even close.

[scarlet blaze]

Gateron makes Lekker?
And lekkers are sub par, in comparison.
Is that the kind of thing that that switch films would help with?
I'd heard that the Lekkers didn't need that due to relatively Improved tolerances, compared to other mechanicals out there.

[tawdry tree]

Switch films would tighten the housing tolerances, yes. But what’s arguably more important is stem wobble which is also sub par with Gateron’s better non HE switches.

Lekkers are made by Gateron yes. The Lekker switch is an altered version of Steelseries’ preexisting Omni-Point Switch/KS-20 which was equally sub par.

Who ever said Lekkers had improved tolerances compared to other mechanical switches lied to you.

[scarlet blaze]

Twas in a vdideo somewhere along the way

Thank you for the info!

[tawdry tree]

Anytime!

[scarlet blaze]

One of the reasons some are waiting for the KS-20u switch

[tawdry tree]

Yes. The Jade switches have a tighter bottom housing as well which gives them less stem wobble but the KS-20U’s dual rail design is supposed to combat stem wobble more.

and give a smoother overall feel.

[scarlet blaze]

Do you know when they come out?

[tawdry tree]

They’re already available on Taobao and will be on AliExpress late January/early February.

I’ll be buying them the moment they’re on Ali.

[scarlet blaze]

I'll be awaiting your review!
I do not have enough experience with this to justify that purchase yet.... But I'm open to going insane on the topic.

[tawdry tree]

It is preference. There’s no switch more functional than another although Jades are arguably worse considering the shorter travel distance. I’ll be posting a sound test here when I get them.

I’ll have a sound test of the KS-37B switches before that.

KS-37Bs are not compatible with Wooting FYI but they’re also made by Gateron and also have the dual rail design. So they’re very similar to the KS-20Us and I presume have a similar sound and feel as well.

[scarlet blaze]

YEa... I'll be consulting with you when the time comes to .......SWITCH it up.... 😄

[quiet bay]

Jades are popular rn because they are good soundwise

[tawdry tree]

Jades are popular because they’re the best we have.

[scarlet blaze]

The 60he just needs to be recalibrated for 3.5mm then?

(when useing the jades)

[agile grove]

the keyboard automatically calibrates every time its plugged it but only accounts for lekkers

Simon said to just take the 0.1mm - 4.0mm slider as 0.1mm - 3.5mm (even if software says 4.0mm iirc)

[fluid ravine]

watching a kdrama (My Demon) rn and i see this

heh

[tawdry tree]

There’s no difference in calibration for the Jades or Lekkers. The total travel distance is shorter, nothing else.
Jades are support in the Wootility beta for now. The lowest actuation point you can set with the Jades is 3.5mm, lower than that and the Jades can’t reach it resulting in no input when pressing that switch.

[agile grove]

highest actuation*

[untold wigeon]

is there a spreadsheet of compatible switches with the 60HE

[agile grove]

I dont think so

[tawdry tree]

Lowest.

[tawdry tree]

Omni-Point/Lekker/KS-20 (Single Rail V1)
KS-20U (Dual Rail V2)
KS-20T (Closed Bottom Single Rail (Jade Switch))

Not compatible:
KS-37 (Single Rail V1)
KS-37B (Dual Rail V2)

[agile grove]

but off the top of my head:

L60s and L45s
Geonworks Raptor HE
Gateron KS-20
Gateron KS-20u
Gateron Magnetic Jade Switch

[agile grove]

the lower the actuation the easier it is the press

[tawdry tree]

Geon’s Raptor HE switches too yeah.

[untold wigeon]

damn not a-lot then, is it possible to frank these switches with normal switches like black inks etc. id assume not but I dont have the slightest clue what they look like taken apart so figured id ask

[agile grove]

no

[untold wigeon]

thought so

[tawdry tree]

How does it say it in Wootility? 4mm is the highest or lowest setting?

I don’t remember.

[agile grove]

pretty sure 4mm is the highest

[tawdry tree]

Then you’re right.

It is kind of weird to measure from the bottom though, as you press the switch down not up. 😂

[wide parcel]

will jades come to the wooting store?

[tawdry tree]

I presume when they’re fully supported, yes.

It’s good business to sell all switches compatible with Wooting.

[agile grove]

well tbf, gateron kinda screwed them over with not telling them about the jades and then asking for them to use them in their keyboard when it was too late

[tawdry tree]

It was scummy to do sure but I kind of understand where Gateron comes from as well. They’re in a more competitive business than Wooting and if they don’t have the “only” or the “best” they lose a lot.

[wide parcel]

wooting must support jades otherwise people will just buy other keyboards...

like ... kbdfans takka60

[tawdry tree]

You can use Jades, don’t get me wrong but DKS doesn’t work outside of Wootility Beta with Jades.

They’d want that fixed first then sell them on their store so they don’t deal with complaints I presume.

[tawdry tree]

😉

[wide parcel]

if you try the RAKKA 60 HE keyboard configurator (a Wootility copy), you can pick the kind of switch the keyboard is using

[tawdry tree]

I hope Wooting does that as well and will support switches like the KS-37Bs and others. I’s like a bigger variety of switches.

[wide parcel]

https://kb.rakka.dev

[tawdry tree]

Yeah I saw

[glossy pagoda]

You need to stop passing off opinion as fact. You have no frame of reference for this comment and therefore could not possibly have made it using factual information

[tawdry tree]

What was not a fact?

Or what was an opinion rather?

I’m confused.

[glossy pagoda]

" It’s not up to par with Gateron’s (recent) standerd at all, not even close."

[tawdry tree]

It is not.

I’m talking about tolerances, not about sound or feel or whatever.

Not opinionated.

Housing tightness, stem wobble.

[glossy pagoda]

Look I'm not going to argue this with you, instead I'm going to go to bed

[untold wigeon]

First bro posts 80+ pics of 80he then says opinion is fax

[tawdry tree]

Well, it is fact. It’s not my opinion. Gateron’s (recent) mechanical switches have far better tolerances than the KS-20s/Lekkers.

[tawdry tree]

It is not opinion.

[untold wigeon]

It kinda is

[tawdry tree]

Housing tightness and stem wobble is not opinion

If you believe that it is that’s fine.

[untold wigeon]

I don’t know what that even means

[tawdry tree]

Well that is the argument here.

[glossy pagoda]

This is quite literally patently false. The switches are made by Gateron and follow Gateron's specifications. If they do not meet Gateron's same standards, they do not get shipped. More over, on top of Gateron's internal quality control, Wooting pays for additional third party quality control.

Quality is defined as the adhernce to specification. I have the specs for these products, and I have the data from actual quality control testing to back up my statements. You do not.

[stray tiger]

It's not a fact. Gateron doesn't have a HE standard to be up to par against. It's a relatively new switch design and they are just now moving into the 3rd and 4th revision. You can't compare a new switch to something that has had decades to be improved on.

[glossy pagoda]

Okay, now I've had my last word and am going to bed

[stray tiger]

Night man

[normal schooner]

[tawdry tree]

Good night.

[untold wigeon]

The Bible of responses

[scarlet blaze]

Rest well!

[stray tiger]

If you say that Gateron's HE switches don't sound as good as their time-tested standard switches, we can agree on that. But there isn't/wasn't a better HE switch until the last 6 months. That isn't due to shit standard/quality, it's due to a lack of knowledge and experience in a HE switch.

[untold wigeon]

Are you guys seriously arguing about the sound

[tawdry tree]

As I said in my message you replied to; they were sub par compared to Gateron’s (recent) mechanical switches. Never did I say Lekkers were out of spec. If you read it like that you misunderstood my point. What I said was in fact fact.

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/average-chad-gigachad-fan-enjoyer-gif-21285250

[tawdry tree]

That is what I did, that’s the comparison I made.

[untold wigeon]

This meme sums up ur argument against mark

[scarlet blaze]

Heres a fact.
None of us know what the tolerances are, without the actual manufacturing drawings

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t call myself a chad but if you say so. 😏

[tawdry tree]

I’m joking.

[scarlet blaze]

Unless one of you is a secret shill for Gateron and can release the documents? 👀

SHILL!!!!!!

[tawdry tree]

It’s not the comparison I made either way.

[stray tiger]

Well of course the original design isn't as good as an improved design that took 2yrs to develop. If it wasn't, it would be bad business.

[wide parcel]

what is the KS-20U dual rail? I can't find it listed anywhere

[scarlet blaze]

It's basically twice as good

so yea...

dual...

check me out I know stuff

[wide parcel]

stem wobble wise? not sound wise

[tawdry tree]

That was the comparison I made. The KS-20s came out 2019 IIRC and were probably designed a bit before that. Gateron has had more than enough time to make improvements to their HE line as they did with their mechanical line in a similar timeframe if that’s what you’re disagreeing with.

[scarlet blaze]

I'm being completely sarcastic.
I'm no tthat guy

[tawdry tree]

But the statement mark replied to wasn’t opinionated at all.

[wide parcel]

is it open bottom? or closed like jades?

[tawdry tree]

Open.

[wide parcel]

how does it compare to jades?

idk if I should wait for these or buy jades

[tawdry tree]

There are too little tests done to say for certain as not many have gotten their hands on them.

[scarlet blaze]

I have actual measurment tools, If anyone wants to send me some to test.

[wide parcel]

do you have a sound test?

[scarlet blaze]

Facts will follow

[tawdry tree]

The KS-20Us should be available on AliExpress late January/early February. You can wait till then if you wish. But the Jades are a good sounding switch regardless.

[tawdry tree]

There’s a sound test on KBDFans’ Takka60 page.

[wide parcel]

oh, I didn't know that was KS-20U , they call it Gateron Magnetic 2.0 Orange

it sound worse than jade

[tawdry tree]

You mean like mitutoyo calipers or sound wise?

[tawdry tree]

Yes.

[tawdry tree]

😂 As I said, we only have that and one other video to go off of.

[wide parcel]

so it's supposed to only improve wobble, not sound?

[scarlet blaze]

Not sound wise.
Physical dimensions.
Calipers, Micrometers, test indicators

[tawdry tree]

Sound is not really something you can improve, it’s more of a result of the switch/switch’s materials and structure. KS-20Us aim to reduce stem wobble.

[wide parcel]

stop trolling... anyone can buy a caliper

[tawdry tree]

Good calipers set you back an arm and a leg.

[scarlet blaze]

Who's trolling?
Go buy one then.
I'm just offering an idea.

[tawdry tree]

Don’t underestimate the art of measuring.

😉

[wide parcel]

yes, they made the jades to improve sound so it is definitely something they can improve

like, a dual rail jade would be the perfect switch

[tawdry tree]

Not improve, give a different sound signature. Jades are better because compared to the Lekkers/KS-20s they have a tighter bottom housing resulting in less stem wobble.

[normal schooner]

better is subjective and this topic has been exhausting.

[tawdry tree]

It sounds better to me so it must be better I swear!

[wide parcel]

the majority agrees jades sound better

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[normal schooner]

dude mark told you to pipe down so please do

[tawdry tree]

This is a joke.

[wide parcel]

not funny

[tawdry tree]

That is subjective too. 😂

[scarlet blaze]

Sure it is. Humor is subjective too

[gloomy stratus]

would i be able to use a coiled cable with tachyon mode as long as i have the rgb low/off?

[stray tiger]

In most cases yes (assuming a good quality made cable that doesnt exceed specs)

[gloomy stratus]

do u have any budget reccs? don't really wanna spend over $30

[stray tiger]

I dont know of any in that price range that I can vouch for personally unfortunately

[gloomy stratus]

ah ok, thanks anyways

[stray tiger]

Straight cables are the new hotness though

[gloomy stratus]

yeah, i just want a cleaner look, i don't have a monitor stand so straight cables very awkwardly go over it

[stray tiger]

Show me a pic

[gloomy stratus]

travelling rn so can't get a pic haha

[stray tiger]

No worries was going to give you some options

[tawdry tree]

UGREEN worked great for me, below $25 I believe as well. Edit: Below $15 even! 🤣

[stray tiger]

Oh man I snagged a great deal off Ebay for the final camera for the streaming setup.

While I'm off topic, AI generated art has been a pain in the ass when it comes to text. I've been trying to generate stream transition/holding screens for a week now and have maybe 4-6 that turned out right.

[tawdry tree]

Nice man!

[stray tiger]

You would think "The Thockfather" wouldnt be that hard but AI sturggles

[tawdry tree]

I never tried much with AI honestly, don’t know much about it.

[stray tiger]

Ive generated over 300 images and most end up like this

[tawdry tree]

Thockon.

It looks really good though, that’s crazy.

[stray tiger]

You see what I mean though

Sometimes the text is fine but you end up with 6 fingers on a hand or a keyboard with 200 keys

[tawdry tree]

I’d think writing would be the easiest LOL

[tawdry tree]

Yeah.

[stray tiger]

And the AI thinks its actually spelled it correctly

[tawdry tree]

The reflection in the glasses, although in only one of the two, it’s still an incredibly detail.

[stray tiger]

In this case it left of The completely but says its there

[tawdry tree]

😂😂😂

Did you say to put the godfather in there?

Or did the AI just connect Thockfather wirh Godfather?

[stray tiger]

6 fingers

Well no thumb

[halcyon obsidian]

and the mouse is backwards

[stray tiger]

Exactly

[stray tiger]

Yes I wanted it in the style of the godfather, but due to copyright it cant give it exactly

[agile grove]

tbh it would probably be better to get it to a point where you can edit in a real keyboard and some other important things that the AI cant get right

[stray tiger]

They will just be for transition/holding slides that rotate through so it doesnt have to be exact

But we started here initially so you can see how far we have come

[tawdry tree]

Oh I see.

Why don’t you make a real picture or one drawn by an artist/logo designer maybe?

[stray tiger]

Like I said, it's just for transition slides. Don't need to spend money on it. I've spent enough on the hardware already. 3 mics and 3 cameras just say I can build/review/measure keyboards...

Could have bought another 6 boards for less money haha

[agile grove]

commissions are pricey

plus he could always commission something down the line

[tawdry tree]

Oh I see.

[tawdry tree]

AI is a bit price too right? Or is it cheaper now because the hype has dropped? 😂

[agile grove]

not really

[stray tiger]

My company pays for the subscription so it costs me nothing

[agile grove]

fair

[tawdry tree]

😎

[agile grove]

to add on to this, you usually get a few free "credits" every month or so on most of the larger ones

[stray tiger]

Yeah but Im generating so many images that I hit the hourly cap and have to wait haha

[agile grove]

I could imagine

ai iterations take a while

[tawdry tree]

I wanted to try it but I had to pay €10 for a few pictures without knowing if they were good or not. 🥴

[agile grove]

personally I like super simplistic icons and logos

not like, over simplified

but something that has pretty solid colors and such

[tawdry tree]

For logos and icons those are good because they’re very easy to remember.

[agile grove]

yep

and also very easy to create lmao

however if you're hiring a designer its still going to be insane compared to the end result

im sure google has spent thousands or more on their new icons

and its just a few colors and intersecting lines

[tawdry tree]

Nike: 🗿

[stray tiger]

This isnt a business for me though, just a hobby so no need for a logo or anything like that but thats an interesting idea. I might give it a shot and see how it goes.

[tawdry tree]

Never say never, it could be a business too!

[stray tiger]

This will take years

[agile grove]

lmao

"AI is coming for our jobs"

AI:

[tawdry tree]

ThidCOYK father?

Ai has a though time with “thock”

[fluid ravine]

@quiet bay

its perfect for you :)

[agile grove]

it looks tiny