🔧│keyboard_modding

[dense token]

https://kbdfans.com/products/raptor-he-gaming-switch-1 would these be worth buying

[halcyon obsidian]

I have some custom keebs just not a wooting

[wind karma]

ohh okay

you like the marbley sound profile ?

[halcyon obsidian]

most of the ppl in this server think so

[stray otter]

I'm dubous on what shipping is going to cost to NA tho.

I feel like KBD was high the last time I checked otherwise I'd buy a set.

[dense token]

wtf really

[wind karma]

yes

[halcyon obsidian]

yeah and I don't have my hands on them yet but the y seem to sound much butter

just search raptor and youll find a bunch of sound test

[wind karma]

less stem wobble too

[dense token]

bro what this is the best sounding wooting ive heard

ill probably 3d print some films too

[wind karma]

its the switches you just sent

[dense token]

yea

im so copying this stuff

[wind karma]

hehe

[dense token]

are there any parts in analog switches that i can swithc out for regular switches

i might change the top housing if i can

[wind karma]

uhh i dont think you can

theres a massive spring

[dense token]

damn

[wind karma]

but im not

100%

[dense token]

yea i saw that when i was taking my board apart

[wind karma]

need someone elses input

[dense token]

the only part i think can be switched out is top housing but im not even sure a bout that

[wind karma]

im gonna check

[dense token]

thanks

[halcyon obsidian]

@normal schooner I added a disclaimer to https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1186418994509529198

[stray otter]

That it's not in fact a contest centered around jacking it?

[wanton edge]

Hey sorry if this is a stupid question, but does anyone know how tight the tolerance the Alumaze case is with sooting pcb? Like if I got the case and accent cerekoted would the pcb still fit worst case scenario the coat comes out a bit thick?

[halcyon obsidian]

whatchu mean by that

[stray otter]

I don't want to go into more detail.

Nor really should I have to if you think about it.

[halcyon obsidian]

yeah I mean just adding a statement that its purely a community contest not something wooting is hosting

[dense token]

how do you tape mod a switch

[halcyon obsidian]

#1173784544529363034 message

[halcyon obsidian]

here you go

[dense token]

i love you

[wind karma]

also nahrba i actually think theres no info out there about it i’m sorry i couldnt be much help

but there are people here that you can ask, i’m sure they’ll know

[dense token]

all cool

ill just try it myself lol

[wind karma]

if you wanted to sure i guess

hehr

[harsh dove]

Thank you

[halcyon obsidian]

it would be awesome if you participated in https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1186418994509529198

[limpid crown]

Whats dampens the sound more the Silicone Plate Pad or the Foam Plate Pad for the PC Plate ?

On aluminium Case

[sweet cedar]

for those of yall with o ring with clip in stabs, would u say its worth it over standard tray mount with screw in stabs

[quiet bay]

noone has the module yet

[fluid ravine]

yeah 😂

i mean its still going to be the same as if we did gummy mount with plate mount stabs

stabs are stabs
you tune them till they good or perfection

gummy mount and tray mount is just preference

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet cedar]

whats the difference between the two

sound and feel wise

[torn summit]

God damnit it feels impossible to find purple azerty keycaps 😞😞😞

I found a ton of keycaps but all of them are uk/us

[quiet bay]

screw in stabs require less mods to make sound good

[torn summit]

I might aswell get a random purple keycap 😞😞😞

[limpid crown]

Stupid question but how do i use the wooting detachanle cable?
Is very short

[untold wigeon]

what

[finite gate]

tray mount has 0 flex if you want that

also

if you want to rebuilt

screw in and clip ins require complete disassembly

[finite gate]

? its 1.5 or 1.8m no?

that should be long enough

[sweet cedar]

isnt that necessary for the wooting to work properly

like the sensors

[finite gate]

is it

you can o ring wooting no?

[limpid crown]

Ah i should have used the extension

[limpid crown]

the Coiled Cable is indeed very short

And is not working. Some lights appears but can't type with it. I can type with the standar C Cable

[finite gate]

Is that the wooting one?

if its not it may not be able to supply 100w

[limpid crown]

Wooting 60 he

[finite gate]

no the cable

[limpid crown]

Its the detachable cable from the store

[finite gate]

Hm

unplug and replug the connector

[fluid ravine]

Decided to take apart my PC cus of bordem now im doing this

[limpid crown]

The usb detachanle cable is longer. I mean the connector

[fluid ravine]

life is depressing :D

[limpid crown]

Would that make a difference in the connection ? Like perhaps since im using an aluminium case is not connecting itself properly

[fluid ravine]

alu cases or cases in general shouldnt have to do with anything related to cables or connection?

[limpid crown]

I mean perhaps it's not entering properly on the USB

[fluid ravine]

may i see your usb case hole

[limpid crown]

Because of the connector that goes to the port being a little bit longer than the standard

Sure

[fluid ravine]

can i get like a direct view

[vagrant frigate]

Anybody have a link to a tutorial on tape modding switches?

[fluid ravine]

yeah the case shouldnt have to do with anything between the connection

just the cable and the usb port itself

what issue do you have again? i was late to the discussion

[limpid crown]

Some lights turn on. I even can swap profiles but wootility is not recognizing it and i cannot write

[fluid ravine]

my thread has a picture guide

[limpid crown]

That only happens with the coiled cable from the wooting store

With the stock one it works perfect

[fluid ravine]

ah

have you tried factory reset with the wooting

while having the cable plugged in

not a tech nerd so i wouldnt really know a solution

someone in the server would have a solution

but idk who

[fluid ravine]

https://discordapp.com/channels/167181566978555904/1173784544529363034/1174144544749662300 startign from here

[limpid crown]

So i unplug it and replugged it

Is working now without factory reset

Thanks 🙂

[fluid ravine]

no problem

[limpid crown]

Howevera

Now i moved the keyboard

And it disconnected itself lol

dunno why it happens

Lol

[fluid ravine]

Loose port

I'm guessing

[vagrant frigate]

@fluid ravine do you think this would work similarly with a vinyl or electrical tape? Maybe benefit from it's smoother texture?

[limpid crown]

It doesnt happen with the stock cable

The disconnection

[stray tiger]

You should be ok as most quality cerakote companies will sand blast the previous finish first

[fluid ravine]

im sorrry but you cant use any of those

[wanton edge]

Oh ok cool! Thank you!

[fluid ravine]

the tape must be thin enough for the housing to fit back together and for the stem to return to its inital position

[sweet cedar]

i wish wooting had different 60% layouts

like wkl

[limpid crown]

So i recently tried with a Wooting keyboard AVR that i have here. I believe that the case port size of my aluminium case is making it not to fit the usb properly

Because in the stock wooting keyboard it's working fine.

So the cable is not the problem... It's the case (which is not alumaze is gh60 low profile case)

[fluid ravine]

weird because looking at the hoel for the port
is has alot of space around it

[limpid crown]

At first glance it seems like that, but in reality when connected it doesnt and apparently it bumps with something that obstacles the connection

Meh, guess i will stick with the stock cable

Thanks @fluid ravine !

[keen plaza]

Would the wooting two HE internals fit into a ducky shine 7 case?

[high umbra]

I have no idea about anything keyboard modding related and just wanted some advice
My current Order includes the following:
HE60+ Module with Lekker60 Switches
Some Grey/Black Keycaps (impossible to really clean sets with german layout...)
Tofu 60 Redux Case

I was thinking about getting the brass plate but didnt decide to get one yet and might upgrade it later on

So for upgrades i should get right now:
After market cable? (I know it needs to be a straight cable, so the cool fancy ones wouldnt support the 8k)
Foam? Tape mod? Anything similar?
Brass plate worth it?
Does the Wooting Wristrest fit on a Tofu Board?
Do i have to lube the switches or are they prelubed? How important is lubing? (i know it takes some time but im willing to spend that time)
anything else?

[sweet cedar]

i believe the wooting coiled cables support everything

[sweet cedar]

wooting wristredt also does fit on redux case

[wicked urchin]

If i just buy the switches and made a custom keyboard can i still use the wooting software to make its the fastest response time an d other features.

[untold wigeon]

If you buy the wooting 60he+ which is the module that has the plate with the switches you can put that in any 60% keyboard

But if you just buy the switches separately the software won’t work

Have to buy the pcb

[quiet bay]

Wooting’s pcb is definitely needed

[keen plaza]

anyone know?

[loud zephyr]

There are no cases that is compatible with the HE, at least not yet

[keen plaza]

unfortunate, will have to wait for new one since it sounded like they plan on making one that is

[loud zephyr]

Wooting? Their next project is a brand new keyboard smaller than a full-sized, beyond that I've no idea. This is the only 2 HE compatible case currently in prototype #🔧│keyboard_modding message

[keen plaza]

no i mean i saw them answer a question asking if it could be modded, and they said something like it can't be modded but will be different for future iterations

so gotta wait for those future iterations

[loud zephyr]

Oh I see!

[keen plaza]

i hate non full sized, i need those keys bruh

so unfortunately cannot use any wooting except the two he but i love the ducky shine 7 i have so not switching unless i can keep it looking the same

[loud zephyr]

That's fair enough but I think I'd eventually get bored with the same design

[keen plaza]

i don't need it to be exciting, just nice

[loud zephyr]

Ducky are pretty good imo, just wish this was compatible with the 60HE

https://www.duckychannel.com.tw/upload/2019_07_102/20190710165334jlt3dvsKH6.jpg

[keen plaza]

i wouldn't see myself ever switching keyboard at all but analog switches are clearly the future, so as soon as i can get them and the software in this keyboard i will

[loud zephyr]

You'd probably get the same results with the stock stock steel plate vs brass plate; high pitched ping with the added stiffness

[loud zephyr]

I guess you're in a good position to wait it out, the market will soon be flooded with more optical keyboards

[static tendon]

When you say brass plate, do you mean the brass plate option for the tofu redux?

[static tendon]

If this is regarding that brass plate option for the Tofu Redux then in my opinion for sure it's worth it. KBDfans charges a lot for shipping so you might as well include the brass weight for 25 more dollars and not regret it down the line
I went for the Alumaze but if I got the Redux, I'd for sure add in the brass weight option

What spring weight do most use here? The L60's or L45's?

[loud zephyr]

I got L50's before they were archived to legendary status

[static tendon]

I couldn't decide so I just got both 🙂

[loud zephyr]

Which do you prefer? I might try something lighter down the road but pretty happy with 50's for now

[polar girder]

I prefer l45’s

Out of the l60 vs l45 I have

[loud zephyr]

Nice. I'd like to see multi-stage springs for that snappy rebound, whether that's possible or worht it; probably not

[static tendon]

This was for the module pre order, so I haven't received the switches yet

I feel like I'd personally lean towards the lighter springs but again I haven't tested them so I cannot say for sure

[loud zephyr]

For typing I def prefer heavy weighted springs but way too fatiguing for gaming imo. L60's were the absolute limit for mine

[static tendon]

Anyone here have opinions on the "Latin Base" vs the "Haragana Base"? https://novelkeys.com/products/cyl-vaporwave-w2?variant=43467023548583

[loud zephyr]

Looks too busy with sub legends, I used to like them but I think Analog Dreams is one of the few I'd consider with Haragana

[static tendon]

Got it. It sounds like it’s just extra Japanese lettering. I think it adds to the colors though. Might consider it 🤔

[crimson sky]

No

The sublegend color is the same

If it isn't with gmk avoid it

Since the sublegends would be pad printed

Some other manus do proper triple shot tho

[onyx pier]

i have ordered the gateron new switches time to wait for it to come and test it

[finite gate]

Which ones

everfree curry or summertime

Because all recent summertime batches have issues and you should return them

[onyx pier]

do you have pic

[finite gate]

Wdym pic

I dont own a set, because they have issues

[glacial wind]

I assume they'll be like the neo switches that got taken down from reading the gateron press stuff

since it seems they're accusing neo of stealing from their patent and pushing out a prototype on social media

[onyx pier]

this ones?

[glacial wind]

yeah

the chinese gateron press release basically accuses 'someone' of ripping off their switch during the patent phase and advertising it on social media recently

the only one else who has been promoting closed bottom magnetic switches were the neo switches, so most assuming it means them

[crimson sky]

geon

[onyx pier]

so it was neo switches that copied them?

[glacial wind]

is raptor actually closed bottom? I can't remember lol

[crimson sky]

oh

[glacial wind]

I would assume based on all the neo posts being taken down

[onyx pier]

if the neo switches sound like the gateron then i will have to refund

[crimson sky]

but closed bottom switches are nothing new

[onyx pier]

dont like how the neo sounds like

[crimson sky]

lekker prots were closed bottom

[glacial wind]

i think their patent is specifically magnetic closed bottom

[crimson sky]

kailh ones are closed bottom

raesha ones are as well

[glacial wind]

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/AvmKzY36zRba is the post

pretty broad like typical patent stuff lol, a magnetic switch with a back cover

[crimson sky]

I mean they talk about the KS-20T

I'd be surprised if that is closed bottom?

maybe it has a stem well ig

wouldn't be the first time gateron has to deal with something like this tho

[glacial wind]

there haven't been any sound tests of ks-20t yet have there

until now I feel everyone only knew them as 'those magnetic jade gaterons' from the photos

ah I see they did close the bottom

[crimson sky]

ah

well

[onyx pier]

I have refunded

[crimson sky]

ok

[onyx pier]

Maybe i will just wait for someone else to sound test it

[glacial wind]

i'm sure there's ways to get around the patent by adding something or just changing the design at the bottom

[crimson sky]

the kailh ones are quite old now

raesha just has a regular stem well

[onyx pier]

do they not sound the same as the lekkers

[crimson sky]

no

they would sound different

[glacial wind]

well if they closed the bottom it wouldn't sound the same

neo's entire thing was how closing the bottom made it that big clack sound, but now their whole post is gone (i assume due to gateron coming after them)

[onyx pier]

yea i went to read the comments of the post you send seems like it

[marble shuttle]

psd60 from aliexpress

https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005003557432623.html?channel=twinner maybe this ?

other compatable cases are more expensive

gain money get the tofu

seems true

[static tendon]

Yeah exactly, to help clarify it adds more color to the legends (same color of Japanese lettering)

[untold wigeon]

anyone in here use non lekker switches on there wooting 60he?

[loud zephyr]

A few have tried Gateron Ks' and Raptors with varying degrees of success. I prefer to use cereal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1138233351849914538/Screenshot_2023-08-08_081056.png?ex=659338ea&is=6580c3ea&hm=056e917cacce1d8327c3824549e2ef9c81a6704f1036951912f5f621ffe1aa53&

[untold wigeon]

LMAO NO WAY

[loud zephyr]

[untold wigeon]

but do the gateron k and raptors work with it?

[loud zephyr]

they do but Lekker's are tuned to perfection

I have no evidence to back this up, just a gut feeling

[untold wigeon]

Alright so i should stick with lekkers

[loud zephyr]

Up to you 🙂

[untold wigeon]

thank you!

[glacial wind]

raptors are better, but no reason you need to buy them right away if you ordered a full wooting already

use the lekkers, see how you like them then swap if you want

there's also the new gateron ks-20t or whatever that will release soon so there's another option coming up as well. no rush to swap over switches right away

[untold wigeon]

and if i do end up buyin raptors they would act the same as lekker?

Like no issues in using non lekker switches

[glacial wind]

for the most part yeah. Many of us have been using raptors for awhile now with no issues

[untold wigeon]

what about the magnetic part? does it effect that in any way?

[glacial wind]

yes and no, it makes your starting point more sensitive is the main thing

for example i use 0.1 wasd on lekker but 0.3 wasd on raptors

because 0.1 on raptors was more sensitive to the touch

[untold wigeon]

so the sensitivity is different

[glacial wind]

yeah the starting point sensitivity is what you'll notice

[untold wigeon]

Interesting

[glacial wind]

that's not a good or bad thing though, just different

[untold wigeon]

yes, and you can easily adjust them

[austere creek]

sander just makes the best cereal doesnt he

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4MyTY4gfWOY

[loud zephyr]

Sander's spacebar to spread peanut butter was peak Jamie Oliver

[finite gate]

WADAFAQ

[loud zephyr]

That's the new layout for the new Woowiiing

[torn summit]

https://www.amazon.fr/JakeTsai-Sublimation-Spacebar-Disposition-Mécanique/dp/B0B5DKGFFQ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 Would these work with the wooting or nah ?

[loud zephyr]

Yes they will

[torn summit]

perfect then, i might try to get them one day if i find nothing better

[nocturne hamlet]

Planning to use burger mount but washers also included with the upcoming he60+.
Should I also use the washers(both side) or it won't make much of a difference?

[high umbra]

Yeah it’s the brass plate option, I’ll check if I can still add it without paying extra

[pale aspen]

https://kbdfans.com/products/takka60

holy

i guess Rakka60 is real deal

[stray otter]

What the fuck am I looking at

[bronze grove]

A Holy60 case (thin cogweb design, yes that's gaps in the case) combined with a Rakka60 PCB.

[marble shuttle]

😱

[pale aspen]

Holy60 case: $119
Kakka60 keyboard kit (Holy60 case): $279

Tofu60 Redux case: $59
Kakka60 keyboard kit (Tofu60 Redux case): $199

rakka has 64% layout but no mention in kbdfans page

also

still 6.25u

[forest dust]

is the rakka pcb availableon its own ?

[pale aspen]

it was

but gb close

[forest dust]

F

[pale aspen]

like in October

but from what i see

they seem to collab with KBDfan in this

nevertheless you can still buy that Cobweb case and put wooting in it

[forest dust]

wooting isnt 8kHz tho, this is pretty tempting

[pale aspen]

i would say difference wont be much

[forest dust]

yea but nonetheless

[pale aspen]

keep competition up

[glacial wind]

8k doesn’t help

It’s a gimmick which provides very little actual real world value

That said I’ve heard the rakka pcb is pretty decent - but of course that has nothing to do with it being 8k or not

[marble shuttle]

Ooff next year is will hard for keeping money

God help

[forest dust]

there's no help, a mechanical could suffice

burt 8kHz is a nice to have, like HE

[austere creek]

its only nice to have if you can also scan all keys at 8khz

[forest dust]

yeah, like that FPGA board someoone posted on hackaday

[forest dust]

dunno how they managed it on the Rakka

[glacial wind]

the reduction/improvement is kind of meh at this point because you already scan great at 1k polling

[austere creek]

how do you know its scans at 8khz?

and no polling rate says nothing about the actual key scanning rate

[forest dust]

https://kbdfans.com/products/takka60

[forest dust]

right there on the page

[forest dust]

yes, that's why i'm curious about it

[glacial wind]

8k with great scanning has been made well before on the genesis 8k korean boards for example, but even that hasn't shown to be some real advantage

[forest dust]

to my knowledge 8kHz scan requires a ton of processing

[austere creek]

it doesnt mention 8khz scanning for me

just polling

[forest dust]

yeah, that was also my point xD

[austere creek]

ye but you replied to me asking how you know by saying its on the page... when its not

anyway we will consider higher polling rates when we can match the processing etc to it

without blowing unnecessary money on an mcu just for this

[forest dust]

ya, i dont think it'll eer be viable

[austere creek]

it can be and thats where ill leave it

[pale aspen]

do you have link?

[austere creek]

do they have any proof of the 8khz scanning

[glacial wind]

yeah it's all niche korean videos though

[glacial wind]

he has a whole discord you can find if you search genesis 8k, he builds pcbs but it's very niche stuff that is made to order in tiny batches and such - not anything you'd find made for large sale

here's one of the youtubers that covered it in korea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOImiFmjeVg

[halcyon obsidian]

where can I get this same switch pad

[glacial wind]

there's a whole section explaining 8k scanning vs polling and such, but again it's all super niche order stuff with genesis and only in korean lol

part of the video even goes over comparing corsairs 8k without 8k scanning vs genesis 8k with 8k scanning

[wind karma]

hey people any recommendations for high quality pbt keycap sets?

[glacial wind]

Pbtfans makes really nice doubleshot stuff with newer molds so less warping issues

[wind karma]

yeah i was thinking of pbtfans but....

they would be perfect if it weren't for the icon keycaps....

like the

instead of it just saying caps lock

i guess

id rather have it like this

[glacial wind]

don't they have both types?

[wind karma]

i don't think they do for all sets

[glacial wind]

i guess it's only certain sets

[crimson sky]

depends on the set

[crimson sky]

I personally prefer icon mods

[devout torrent]

they come with other options

[crimson sky]

ye

[glacial wind]

yeah personally i think icon mods are cleaner

[crimson sky]

they have the down arrow

as an option to te purse

personally prefer the down arrow

[devout torrent]

ye down arrow looks better imo

[wind karma]

down arrow?

[devout torrent]

the 3rd key in 2nd image

[wind karma]

ohh

what's that key supposed to be for?

[devout torrent]

capslock

[wind karma]

it's just the caps lock icon that i don't like

[wind karma]

oh alright then

i'm fine with an arrow

[devout torrent]

ye just check the set you are interested in

most should come with that

[wind karma]

yup

[devout torrent]

if not all of them

[wind karma]

thanks for the help

[devout torrent]

np

[gaunt linden]

Does someone have a vid using the new raptors switches ?

[halcyon obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1186090245586944060/IMG_9190.mov?ex=6591fb9f&is=657f869f&hm=75bb9497fef221fe448348c158373434958a08fbafb342c18bd885f44ff94eb7&

from CΔM ジ

lubed raptor switches in a salvation case with alumaze foam

[gaunt linden]

Thank you

[static tendon]

KBDfans has been helpful to me in the past, they have allowed me to edit orders as well

[median spade]

@harsh dove saw your many videos and comments. You think the L60 stems worht swapping into the raptors or just keeping raptors as is?

[harsh dove]

It’s really just a personal preference thing, in terms of sound and feel.
However, if you use the Lekker stems you’ll be used to the sensitivity vs using the stock raptors, their magnets are stronger and therefore more sensitive than Lekkers. So just keep that in mind as well.

[surreal wren]

you got a beautiful keyboard my friend

[median spade]

About to try the raptor in game for first time now as just swapped them into board. They sound much better than the L60 already, but I'll see what I think of the stronger magnet

I don't notice stem wobble when I game that much tbh so might not bother with the L60 stem as you said sound difference seems to be minor

got my frog mini, but waiting on the plate now so only using my tofu case

[harsh dove]

Yeah sound difference is minor imo, slightly more poppier sound with the Lekker stem vs stock, stock raptor has a slightly deeper sound. But overall the sounds are very similar with either stem. But you’ll feel more tightness with the Lekker stem.

[median spade]

hmmmm

tough decision

I do lean towards making my boards as "clacky" as possible, so might try the L60 stem

[surreal lagoon]

is the o ring mod for the wooting recommended?

[median spade]

a lot of people tend to do it

so yeah

[surreal lagoon]

is this the right dimension? OD 185 mm x ID 178 mm x Width 3.5 mm

[agile grove]

im probably gonna stick to lekkers tbh, I dont really like clacky and raptors are clacky (so are all other HE switches rn)

[sand oasis]

yeh thats kind of my predicament

as HE are becoming more popular i assume that there will be more switches released and i dont want to jump the gun and buy some now

[agile grove]

mhmm

so far no one really knows how to get past that HE awkwardness tho

[sand oasis]

yeh

i might do it anyway

i can afford the switches rn and its not too expensive for me if i get them off kbd fans

[agile grove]

HE switches just kinda sound weird, no one has figured out how (or maybe just no one has tried) to make thocky HE switches

but once the day comes I might just have to pick those up

[sand oasis]

the raptors definately sound the best out of the switches out atm

so it is tempting

[agile grove]

I personally im going to wait

I like thock so much more

[pale aspen]

buy Carbon fibre plate

it forces clack

remove plate foam/case foam

[agile grove]

stock steel plate is clackier

[pale aspen]

but it is pingy

[agile grove]

true

[harsh dove]

Carbon fiber doesn’t have ping tho

[loud zephyr]

Well, there you go, I guess I should start buying underwear with holes on it

Shit is ugly IMO

[agile grove]

fr

[pale aspen]

kbdfans one also included screw

[agile grove]

imagine the dust

[pale aspen]

it is cool design

just dont leave cup of coffe near it lol

[loud zephyr]

The irony is the best design elements of a keyboard in underneath, at least that one is hidden

[median spade]

i would go aluminum tbh

never been a fan of carbon fiber in all the bulids that i've done

[pale aspen]

as long as you can cut it
it is ok

[median spade]

yeah i have a pom plate on order right now for frog mini for wooting

but think imma cancel that and go with alu

[pale aspen]

carbon fibre with top mount = chef kiss

any platr is good

except FR4

[loud zephyr]

RIP my new mouse

[median spade]

yeah fr4 is 💩

[agile grove]

what are the thockiest mods for the 60he?

[median spade]

every time ive tried it im like "yep remembered why I never build with it"

stuff board with foam, use tape mod

[harsh dove]

PC Plate

[agile grove]

I've heard tape mod doesnt do anything

unless you mean specifically because of the foam

[median spade]

well tbh a lot of stuff doesn't work on HE if we're being honest

due to them not being a contact switch

[agile grove]

im prolly not gonna do o-ring friction mount since im getting the module and it has screw in stabs (which doesnt allow for it and they sound better so its kinda not needed)

[harsh dove]

You can use clip-ins

And do friction mount

[median spade]

if you want to use oring mount use clip ins

yeah

[agile grove]

I know

I still dont really feel like doing it lmao

[harsh dove]

[median spade]

if you want thock then or ing is the way

[agile grove]

true

[median spade]

which is weird as it usually makes stuff more clacky but for some reason makes it thock on this

[agile grove]

I might end up doing it eventually

I've already spent $300 on this board dont feel like spending more

[median spade]

welcome to the hobby

I told myself I wasn't going to do anything outside tofu case for mine and then i heard nix sound test

and was like well i already have nice boards for my work desk gotta make wooting as close as possible

now i have tx ap stabs, geon he raptor switches, and frog mini for it

[pale aspen]

HE keeb for work desk

you gonna RT the typing?

[median spade]

rt?

[pale aspen]

rapid trigger

[median spade]

ohhhh no lmao

i use stock actuation for typing as the 0.2 setting ihave not good for typing imo

[untold wigeon]

🤨

[pale aspen]

typing on linear = bad for.me

need tactile HE

[median spade]

too many typing errors from 0.2 actuation and light springs

is why eso

[loud zephyr]

That's now how addiction works. See you in rehab

[median spade]

tactile HE would be interesting

[agile grove]

if I were to do gummy o-ring on the module what clip ins should I get?

[median spade]

if you feel like balling out then the tx ap stabs

doesn't get any better

[agile grove]

they're out of stock rn

[median spade]

next would just be cherry clip ins

[velvet egret]

AP Tx stabs really the best you can get?

[median spade]

For clip in yes

Nothing better

[harsh dove]

Vintage OG Cherry Clip-Ins are best lol

But TX is good too

[median spade]

I use those one of my boards and still think tx better tbh

[velvet egret]

And for screw ins?

[median spade]

Well three of my boards have vintage cherry clip in

Tx or staebies for screw in

[agile grove]

im fine with waiting tbh, I'll probably get the board, build it, and play with it a little while and get the stabs when they're back in stock. my birthday is in march so I might be able to get a graveshift green o-ring and tx ap stabs then.

would be an odd birthday request tho lmao

[loud zephyr]

Tuning is the key, brand to brand the difference is negligible

[agile grove]

"can I get an o-ring for my birthday?"

[median spade]

Tx just have best tolerances and tend to not tick imo

[harsh dove]

TX AP just has the tightest tolerance from my experience and requires least amount of maintenance

[median spade]

^

They sold out for a reason

[velvet egret]

Alrighty thank you, still looking for a set of stabs for my module

[void hollow]

pcb with or without foam 🤔

[loud zephyr]

flip a coin

[harsh dove]

Prospa is right tho that if you tune your stabs, they’re all pretty close together brand wise

[agile grove]

the graveshift green o-ring should fit right? the modding faq says 30a-50a and the green is 45a.

[median spade]

Yeah tune wires, lube housing, wire, etc gg

[harsh dove]

Yes, anything between those numbers works aswell

I’m using 40a

[median spade]

Softer oring generally more “thocky”

[velvet egret]

^ oh didnt know that

[harsh dove]

Yeah I bought 3 diff hardness’s

30-40-55

[median spade]

Yeah I have 30-90 one of my oring boards and 70a is my preferred since it’s clackier

[velvet egret]

I always people see either liking Durock stabs or AP Tx stabs but between the two you still suggest AP Tx?

[median spade]

Yes

Durock is good but they are the loosest of all them imo

[harsh dove]

Durock are same as the stock stabs imo in terms of tolerance etc

[velvet egret]

Alrighty loud and clear 🙂 thanks

[median spade]

Feel like you need to inject lube on durock every so often

My tx and cherry ones almost never

[agile grove]

the green fits my build so

[harsh dove]

Feel like you also need less grease in general for the tx stabs

[median spade]

Mmhmm

Tolerances so good I do very light coating and live life

[agile grove]

I know its up to personal preference but would black or white stabs go better with green?

I feel like black would look better with green

but the lekkers are mostly white

[fluid ravine]

Probably not even using it at all 💀

It's just that good 😂

[wind karma]

ima keep this in mind

[fluid ravine]

it doesnt
because of the steel plate

[wind karma]

so it does something for pc plates?

[fluid ravine]

yeah

im not giving a whole explaination cus im tired rn but yeah

[wind karma]

what about a small explanation

[void hollow]

fr4?

oh bruh i searched stab to read about stabs till i realise i actually didnt have to scroll at all

[void hollow]

(ping off) which website did you buy your tx ap stabs

[fluid ravine]

@harsh dove

[void hollow]

based in singapore (sea)

[wind karma]

anyone tried staebies?

i heard they didn't feel good and were 'scratchy' feeling

or is this because you cant use any thick lube with it

[fluid ravine]

rememberd, cam bought mine from divinkeys

[void hollow]

ahh divinkeys are now oos

might try a local option: pantheonkeys

but damn they dont state which rev are the stabs

[barren falcon]

Does anybody know if the stab wires are 1.2 or 1.6mm?

[fluid ravine]

thats for pcb

[harsh dove]

That’s not Stab wires

[fluid ravine]

thickness

[harsh dove]

That’s PCB thickness

And for wooting its 1.6

[fluid ravine]

stab wire are 2u and 6.5u

is it 6.5 i forgor

[harsh dove]

Yes

[fluid ravine]

ya

[barren falcon]

Oh interesting I thought that that number had to do with the wire

good thing I got 1.6 then lol

[halcyon obsidian]

wait

its not 6.25?

[harsh dove]

Sorry 6.25 yeah

[halcyon obsidian]

ok good I was tweaking

[barren falcon]

I got some MELETRIX WS V3.1 Stabs hopefully they are decent

[halcyon obsidian]

nice!

[barren falcon]

red redux case, geon switches, and a CF plate

We'll see how it goes when these modules start shipping I've got everything else already :S

[harsh dove]

Corsair and some CM boards have 6.5

[halcyon obsidian]

yeah corsair uses a weird bottom row

I had like a k75 long long ago

[barren falcon]

I had a K70 as my first mechanical keeb in 2013 lol I still have it in a closet somewhere

[halcyon obsidian]

I gave mine to buddy I think

[void hollow]

me tryna find out the difference in packaging in tx ap rev 3 vs rev 4

💀

[halcyon obsidian]

complete guess but its probably just tweaked tolerances

"Revision 3 brought the new white colour as well as a 1.2mm variant to support the more uncommon PCB thickness, and Revision 4 has had multiple adjustments made to the stem housing as well as inclusion of the Long Pole (LP) variant best suited for switches with a long pole stem due to the earlier bottom-out than a standard length stem."

[harsh dove]

K95 plat

[void hollow]

oh i was using the k95 plat gunmetal

[harsh dove]

Same

[void hollow]

does it matter 💀

[void hollow]

after getting a wooting i was so unused to not using a full sized

i sold it for like 80 sgd

[harsh dove]

I had a Steelseries apex pro TKL before I got into customs

And 60%

[halcyon obsidian]

same

me and CAM literally following the same path

[harsh dove]

Hahah

[sweet cedar]

rn i have some shitty amazon 60%

excited for my module to arrive

[halcyon obsidian]

mine went corsair k70 rgb rapidfire -> apex pro tkl -> gmmk pro -> monsgeek m1 -> and I'm waiting on my wooting now

[harsh dove]

I was actually messing with my old keebs a few days ago and the feeling and sounds were like nails on a chalk board

“I actually used this?!?”

[sweet cedar]

me except im still using it😭

[harsh dove]

Lmao

[sweet cedar]

it sucks cause i have everything else but the module

[harsh dove]

Ah yeah

At least you have everything else haha

[sweet cedar]

yea i wont have to wait on any thing else

[halcyon obsidian]

I'm having to use a 5 dollar dell keyboard for work cause "work equipment" and I really makes my appreicate my monsgeek

is there any full pcb poron switch pads that fit the entire board?

[sweet cedar]

my brother is still using a full size membrane for gaming

so im giving him mine rn once i finish my wooting

hopefully its a big difference for him

[weary tree]

i cant go back to membrane

[sweet cedar]

ik for me it was

[weary tree]

just so bad

[void hollow]

i was on like laptop -> k95 rgb for like 5 years (290sgd)-> custom wooting a month ago?

i really enjoyed the low travel distance for keyboard i almost got a logitech g something

two palms together in the middle thank god i didnt go for it

🙏 *

[random locust]

guys has anyone modded with thinsulate yet?

i was wondering if more layers make a difference

[agile grove]

for o-ring mount on the module do you need the base or 2u set of clip ins?

@fluid ravine

[fluid ravine]

the base
1.6mm

[agile grove]

gotcha

[torpid crow]

i gave up on thock and removed all the foams its clack time

[agile grove]

you can see the o-ring right? I wanna get a green graveshift to match my build but its 45a and softer would make it thockier.

[shadow mountain]

For those who were interested in using cerakey keycaps -- mine just arrived today... I went for the A set only. Spacebar works great and the RGB looks -chef kiss-, also there is a slight hum to the rattle now when a key is let slip to release. I will try to have a picture up shortly, but I am just on my lunch break.

[shadow mountain]

You can see "some" of the o-rings -- notably the far left mount between Capslock and Shift as well as between spacebar and right alt.

[agile grove]

so I should go with green? I dont really like the other colors.

[void hollow]

do i need to remove switches to have access to my pcb foam @-@

[shadow mountain]

This one is for you @agile grove -- I use one of the Wootility moving RGB patterns (scan + breath?) and you see the clearish-white o-ring takes on some of the RGB.

So I can't decide for you if you should get a stronger color in there, but I do enjoy being able to change and have the color of the month splash to the clear o-ring.

[agile grove]

what o-ring did you get?

[quiet bay]

Sound test c:

[marble shuttle]

is that middle standoff ?

[ancient bluff]

Is the geonworks raptor switches really mess up the rbg when you install it north facing?

[shadow mountain]

uxcell Silicone O-Rings, 4mm OD 1mm ID 1.5mm Width VMQ Seal Gasket for Compressor Valves Pipe Repair, White, Pack of 20 (from Amazon)

4mmx1mmx1.5mm | View order

yes @marble shuttle and @quiet bay give me a couple

[bronze grove]

Beats south facing them I guess? Since you'd just block the LEDs.

[loud zephyr]

No you don’t, just seperate the plate from pcb

[void hollow]

well, my tape mod is in the way oh god

[shadow mountain]

@quiet bay

[void hollow]

i am having fun

realising that a good number of my plate standoffs went missing

nevermind, i found it, its stuck in the pcb foam LMAO

[shadow mountain]

LOL yeah some cases come with a tiny little bag with 3-5 in there.. hahah

[quiet bay]

That sounds very clicky and clacky

[polar girder]

Tinny

[quiet bay]

🤔

[terse temple]

i tried to do the tape mod but now my windows key and my left control key dont work, what did i do?

[shadow mountain]

Redo the tape mod i.e. reapply the tape and avoid the bottom side

[terse temple]

ok so i just needed to unplug it and plug it back in 🤣

got a heart attack

[void hollow]

my spacebar so muted rn

[untold wigeon]

unmute

[fluid ravine]

duh hail

[void hollow]

odd lmao, my keyboard sounds so uneven

[untold wigeon]

Will spray lubing work (I'm probably one of the laziest people in the world and I don't like wasting hours of my life in order to do so)

[void hollow]

every lubing method works, it really just depends on person if you care enough to put the time to do it

surely it may be like a few hours, but think about it, you only have to properly lube it every how many years

haha dude modding his keyboard on this chat i saw that :3

[silver pecan]

lmao i was just spamming the keys

tryna hear something

[void hollow]

honestly, even i am so lazy to lube my keyboard (still on factory lube even though i already bought the 205g0 and 105), might just get one of my friends to do it for me and treat them a meal xD

[untold wigeon]

Stealing this

[void hollow]

my friend actually offered to do so tbh

[untold wigeon]

What are some mods I can do for clack noise

[void hollow]

thin or no foam?

[untold wigeon]

wdym thin

[void hollow]

im tryna find the video xD

imo this video below is quite good knowledge when building a keyboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N8k0u75eLQ&

[gaunt linden]

How many layers of tape is ok on the stock case ?

[void hollow]

i did 3 layers for my friend and on my current custom *of blue painters tape

[gaunt linden]

Did you have to remove some of the stock foam?

[void hollow]

nope

[gaunt linden]

Doesn’t it have to have some room to breathe or something like that? I fell like the foam is touching the pcb

[untold wigeon]

Yo if I were to lube the switches manually do I need to remove the pcb

Or the thing holding the keyboard together

[sacred jay]

nah you just gotta pull em out with a switch puller

[shrewd hatch]

Alot easier to just take apart tho

[void hollow]

for me i just pretty much just do it with the pcb screwed to the case

im using gateron's switch puller so yea idk

[gaunt linden]

?

[void hollow]

im not really sure about that but mine is pressed up against my 2nd layer of foam

well im just thinking if its able to close its all good xD

im like struggling with my keyboard lmao, it sounds so bad when its recorded but when i hear it irl it sounds way better
new recording: #1179300178281373716 message

might be keycap or plate issue but yea it oddly sounds towards the idk side

kinda impulse bought this so 💀

[quiet bay]

looks decent

also ur wooting sounds like

clicky

[void hollow]

i agree lmao, with thocc mods hmm

i mean like some people mentioned the fr4 plate is ass but like, im tryna give it a chance, like praying that its actually just my keycaps

[quiet bay]

what keycaps u rocking

[void hollow]

some cheap shopee doubleshot pbt that feels so thin

[quiet bay]

O

well go ahead and try the glorious keycaps on now

see the difference it makes

[void hollow]

does this look thin?

[untold wigeon]

sounds like shit bro

Yo bro thanks

np

[quiet bay]

[untold wigeon]

\

[loud zephyr]

looks normal, you haven't seen thin until you've seen Signature Plastics

[void hollow]

dont worry, i agree

[untold wigeon]

sounds like its broken

[void hollow]

ive got quite alot of options to try out soon, bought some polyfill, quality keycaps, pc plate, removing some foam etc. just gotta catch some sleep xD its almost 10am here

[void hollow]

sure does sound broken in the recording, sounds a little better irl tbh not sure what it is, could be the sensitivity of the condenser mic too, but the inconsistency of the sound across the board is surely something annyoing

playing the recording on my studio monitors make me wanna kms even more

spending 550sgd on my keyboard just for it to sound like dogsheeeeshit- cries to be me

[loud zephyr]

start wearing IEM's more often and you'll soon forget what your keyboard sounds like

[marsh saffron]

me with open backs wanting a quiet ass 60he

[finite gate]

Why do people buy glorious products that arent mice

[marsh saffron]

why do people buy glorious mice

unless your some sweaty mc player why would you buy that garbage

[finite gate]

you're*

also every fps comp has people using glorious mice

[loud zephyr]

With a name like Glorious PC Gaming Race, you'd be crazy not to buy their products

Get left behind, newbz

[finite gate]

real

every one of their products is just is a marked up rebrand with their logo on it

[loud zephyr]

They started off so well and then fizzled out. Selling stabilizers with gunk on it was a nice touch though

[marsh saffron]

fps pros use shit hardware all the time

that doesnt mean anything lol

[void hollow]

im running a hd600 haha and i dont notice anything other than ingame sound :D

[marsh saffron]

ive got hd599s

if im playing/listening to music i dont hear it

but if ive got no audio playing or its very quiet i can still faintly hear my keyboard

i dont mind it

i like hearing it when im typing still

[void hollow]

im actually tryna refund it since i impulsed bought it, bought like 2 sets of customs for a perma set

[marsh saffron]

when i click space or enter i can kinda hear it over my music sometimes

because i fucking slam those keys

[finite gate]

lmaooo

[void hollow]

me when i play rocket league CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK

[marsh saffron]

i lubed and tape modded mine, its not that loud but i didnt do the greatest job lubing it

gonna go back and do it again

[median spade]

Magnets in the raptors are way better and idk how anyone can prefer the stock L60/L45 ones over it

[loud zephyr]

How do you even measure the performance difference?

It's the same to me just feels diff

[marsh saffron]

i heard people say the raptors have a stronger magnet and are a bit more sensitive

[median spade]

i was just doing finger taps to compare

and in apex doing movement stuff

and like it's basically like breathing on them with the geon ones

[loud zephyr]

It wouldn't matter in real world time

[marsh saffron]

feels like this with my l60s 🤷

but i havent used l45s or geons so

[median spade]

i mean that goes for a standard keybvoard too but you wouldn't have a wooting if thait was the case

[loud zephyr]

I like new toys

now that's an efficient and highly tuned athletic keyboard

[median spade]

wkl qaz

[untold wigeon]

How can i make my board sound nice

[loud zephyr]

By trying every combination until you're so tired of it that you just say fuck it: good enough

[quiet bay]

wtf...smaller than a 40% is wild

[weak prairie]

does using a magnetic screwdriver have any risk when modding the wooting or is it ok

[agile grove]

does tape mod help with thock or clack?

[finite gate]

Tape mod helps with ruining your keyboard

[agile grove]

depends on the tape

I've seen people use electrical tape and it makes me squirm

[finite gate]

yeah that stuff erodes the pcb

Actually all tape does

If you want your board to last more than a year dont do tape mod

tape mod also makes your board louder + poppier

[finite gate]

not like a screwdriver is gonna pull a switch through the pcb so no there should be no issue

just like how metal artisans are fine

[weak prairie]

well i just wasn’t sure if it’d mess with the sensors or the magnets in the switches

i don’t know how hall effect works entirely

[finite gate]

as long as the magnet isnt too powerful it should be fine

[finite gate]

Senses the distance between 2 magnets

to actuate

[weak prairie]

if the strength of the magnets in the keyboard got messed with somehow would it damage it ?

[finite gate]

if it senses the magnets are at the actuation distance you set it will actuate

[finite gate]

Probably not

I use a rather powerful magnetic screwdriver but no wooting

[spring magnet]

Anyone know any good orange key cap sets

[jagged ermine]

is there a difference between wooting's lube kit and any cheap lube kit from amazon?

like why is it 2x more expensive? is there something special

[untold wigeon]

I thinks that the Point of it

[halcyon obsidian]

Does it come with lube?

Because as far as I know not all lube with the same name ie krytox 205g0 is made the same and quality can vary greatly depending where/who you purchase it from

[finite gate]

Gmk orange boi

[finite gate]

Amazon lube is fake but it works

Get lube from rebutable vendors

[halcyon obsidian]

Yeah that’s why I said the quality can vary greatly

[finite gate]

yee

but then most vendors just take some krytox from a big jar and package it

kinetic labs has very good krytoz

[jagged ermine]

yes

[halcyon obsidian]

The that is why the price varies so much

[stable kindle]

whats new

give me the deets

[finite gate]

whats new? what is what

[spring magnet]

side legend keycap recommendations?

[civic knot]

Finally got the wooting modded

[fluid ravine]

Whatchu do

[civic knot]

lubed switches, burger mount, and just half the original foam in a redux ( with brass weight) and some keykaps from kbdfans.. @fluid ravine feels great...gonna take a lil to get used too

had trouble with a couple of the orings...hopefully wooting just makes one that goes around the pcb...i wuld prolly buy that to make things easier...like the one in bad seed techs vid

[void hollow]

have hearing damage

hope the 550sgd to 800sgd mark makes a difference in the sound

[void hollow]

higround(?)

ngl ive never yet seen a good looking side legend keycap set?

[crimson sky]

[void hollow]

thanks

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/projection-laser-keyboard-lights-letters-gif-5863187

[valid sun]

That's too cool

[finite gate]

higround bad

made only for tiktokers

[dense flower]

What kind of wizardry tech is that?

[bronze grove]

Overhead projector and some programming.

[crimson sky]

the other kind of overhead projector

[bronze grove]

[pale aspen]

.

Takka60 listing is up on Taobao now

12/29 Release date

[glacial wind]

lol, that can't be a coincidence with timing

[pale aspen]

case is pretty coollll

but no arrow key pcb

why

[pale aspen]

well, i think Wooting grab most of $$$ during Peak wooting time already

no big deal for wooting

[glacial wind]

i'm confused why they want to even try launch at same time as the new wooting when it's not even a competing form factor

would kind of make sense if it was some 75% pcb, but it's just another 60%

[crimson sky]

cause people in that space still prefer 60%?

[pale aspen]

i were them 60% first and then tkl , 75%

[onyx pier]

Its more expensive than the wooting

But it looks good ngl

[glacial wind]

yeah but I mean why bother scheduling at same timing as the wooting stuff then, just launch it whenever

[pale aspen]

alu case

[glacial wind]

unless it's an unfortunate coincidence

[pale aspen]

plate at choosen

and supposed-ly better performance

[onyx pier]

Maybe they want to get in the game

[pale aspen]

from their video

it is better than wooting

no dead zone

[glacial wind]

i wish all these reviewers would actually use the keyboard and test out the consistency

deadzone and measurements are great and all but the entire point of having a rt keyboard is it being consistent with it's rt and not buggy

[pale aspen]

$199 is pretty good deal,
Case - Tofu60 redux color at choosen
Plate - FR4 , Alu , CF
Switch - white and orange

[pale aspen]

what weird is

rakka own gb didnt ship yet

but KBDfan come out with Rakka collab

[glacial wind]

the kdbfans one is still interest check phase isn't it

[pale aspen]

from Taobao listing, usually it is ready to sell in 29/12

from past expereince

[glacial wind]

taobao always is earlier though

i mean for western launch it might be a bit later

kind of like how meletrix loves doing their chinese sales before opening up to western/non chinese sales later

[pale aspen]

usually on Kbdfan site usually sell at the same time with taobao

except from GMK stuff

[glacial wind]

hrm I guess we'll see then on 29th

[pale aspen]

holy is so hot

ahhhh

2024 gonna be year of HE for real

[glacial wind]

at least meletrix is sending theirs to badseedtech so at least he'll give it a proper gaming run

but it's so hard to get proper reviews for most RT releases

[pale aspen]

interesting

so now we have two big incoming prebuilt on market

both at $199

Boog (non exploded 75%)
Takka60 (standard 60%)

[glacial wind]

don't forget q1 he too

[finite gate]

lots of 75 HE out now

m1he, q1he, a75

also theres the new 65 he https://iconlabsofficial.com/product/gb-650w-keyboard-kit-by-jeux/

[dense flower]

Lubed stems and springs of L60 and L45 switches with Krytox 205g0. Replaced WASD and few other switches with L45. Double layer tape mod underneath space bar.

[frosty sentinel]

Compatible with the wooting ???

They’re closed back.. which should solve the weird sound issue.. not sure if anyone has used these yet

[glacial wind]

Supposedly yes but no one here has tested them yet since they’re only just releasing in china soon

We’re assuming it’ll sound very clacky like the neo closed back switches demo from other day

[agile grove]

anyone here who has done gummy o-ring friction mount, can you see the o-ring around the board? I want to get a graveshify o-ring in green (it'll match my build) but its 45a and a softer one would sound thockier.

[grizzled path]

they're available to buy now https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magic-jade-switch?VariantsId=10768

[glacial wind]

oh nice

[grizzled path]

I want to hear the mahjong hifi sound

[glacial wind]

someone buy and test sound lol

[grizzled path]

I would actually order them now but just had to pay a plumber 400€ :E

[agile grove]

im assuming yes

[glacial wind]

actually i'm more curious if they improved the stem wobble

[grizzled path]

that and what the closed bottom does to performance if anything

[halcyon obsidian]

mahjong means thocky right?

[grizzled path]

something like that

[dense flower]

Any idea what the end actuation force is?

[grizzled path]

this is all I know

[gaunt linden]

The harder the thockier it sounds ?

[agile grove]

softer

[agile grove]

it seems like a mix between thocky and clacky, leaning more towards clacky

mahjong sounds every so slightly thocky, but it is pretty clacky

[halcyon obsidian]

idk thats just what I saw on a reddit post is that mohjong is used to describe thocky

also

[frosty sentinel]

Well I ordered em boys.. I’ll update when they come in

[grizzled path]

great!

[agile grove]

does the graveshift medium o-ring fit in the tofu redux?

[frosty sentinel]

I’ll let you know later, mine was just delivered

[agile grove]

k

[velvet egret]

ohhh i really like the colour of these

[agile grove]

im bouta buy it, please let me know

which one did you get?

badseed said it works actually

[frosty sentinel]

I ordered the medium

In the modding FAQ that’s what they say to go with

[agile grove]

what color tho?

[frosty sentinel]

I went with brown cause it matches my case lol

[wind karma]

okay mahjong is thock but why is HIFI in there

[agile grove]

seems to be clocky or thacky

[wind karma]

that's confusing

why are they using the word mahjong though

[grizzled path]

chinese thing

[thorny canopy]

Whoever bought the pc switch plate did you guys use the stock foam, silicone, or the provided poron foam

[stray tiger]

Sorry gents for those who pinged me or DM'd me. My girlfriend had surgery yesterday and I've been away and lacking sleep lol

[grizzled path]

damn, hope everything's good there

[agile grove]

not specifically those switches btw, mahjong seems to be thacky

[stray tiger]

Yeah went well, she is just in a lot of pain.

[halcyon obsidian]

the hifi just means high fidelity or high quality audio

[stray tiger]

I pre-ordered the Keychron and Meletrix boards so you can be sure I'll provide a full review.

[wind karma]

but... the rest is in english

[wind karma]

oh

[grizzled path]

they also describe the sound as rhythmic symphony of music notes so it's just marketing

[wind karma]

i've never heard the word thacky.. how does that sound? 😁

[agile grove]

a little bit of thock with mostly clacky it seems

[wind karma]

yeah i guess

[halcyon obsidian]

thock and clacky

[wind karma]

yes but.. in the context of switches wtf

[agile grove]

you could look up mahjong switch sound test on youtube

[grizzled path]

yeah chinese kb enthusiasts just call it mahjong because of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZonH0t8AkpE

[wind karma]

oh

okay

WAIT

[halcyon obsidian]

thats mostly speculation tho we have 0 sound test

[austere creek]

those stones prob cost more than the switches

[wind karma]

that sounds.. "marbly"

[agile grove]

yeah, im just assuming its going to sound like that judging by the sound of other mahjong switches. also almost all HE switches sound clacky.

[grizzled path]

well it's not 1-to-1 to that lul

[halcyon obsidian]

you right

[agile grove]

have you seen the price of those switches-

[austere creek]

id imagine the comparison might be more to a mahjong stone being placed on a mahjong table

where it has a more muted thock

[wind karma]

ye

i heard keyboard that sound kind of like that tho

[halcyon obsidian]

I'm just huffing that copium hoping that with mods they sound marbly and or thoccy

[stray tiger]

You're fast @austere creek

[austere creek]

https://tenor.com/view/red-kit-gif-11737462

[wind karma]

same

[agile grove]

I bet they'll sound something like this https://youtu.be/u2zYiFBkAM4?t=151

[halcyon obsidian]

I hope not

[frosty sentinel]

I’m hoping for a little deeper tone..

[wind karma]

same again

[agile grove]

thats the sound profile of mahjong switches sadly

[frosty sentinel]

I’m doing a PC plate, gasket mount in a redux case.. we’ll see how they sound when they come in

[void hollow]

sry

[wind karma]

when are you getting em

[frosty sentinel]

I just ordered from Gateron website.. they’re in stock.

[halcyon obsidian]

that vid is also using fr plate, no foam, and probably screw mounted so

the sound is gonna be loud

[frosty sentinel]

That’s what I’m thinking.. I’m definitely going to put foam in and such. Only one way to find out, hopefully didn’t waste $70 hahaha

[halcyon obsidian]

someone on reddit ordered them on alibaba 4 days ago so maybe in 2-3 days we will see a sound test

[frosty sentinel]

Nice

[halcyon obsidian]

do you have an eta?

[frosty sentinel]

Nah, I just ordered them an hour ago.. I did do express shipping so 2-5 days.

[grizzled path]

no that's the sound profile of the dareu switches called mahjong, what is considered mahjong can differ a lot

[halcyon obsidian]

also these dont seem to be lubed

I mean they factory

[agile grove]

fair enough, but I've seen other mahjong switches sound similar. I personally wouldnt keep my hopes up since most HE switches have been clacky. however if these are thocky it would be a nice surprise.

[grizzled path]

well they are still linear switches so they will sound like linear switches, we'll just have to wait and see hear

[halcyon obsidian]

take with a gain of salt but

[grizzled path]

anyway it's just a term people use over there, just like "thocky" or "clacky " or "bonky" or "crème brûlée" wouldn't tell much about a sound to an outsider, mahjong is just another word for a specific kind of sound chinese people like which switch makers now use in marketing because their target audience can decipher something from it, or not

[halcyon obsidian]

true

[stray tiger]

Thocky, clicky, clacky, creamy, mellow, smooth, crispy, thunky, etc. Which sounds different to everyone and doesn't really describe much.

[halcyon obsidian]

yeah but I feel like most people can agree on if something sounds thocky or clicky

or it caters to a majority like tuning headphone to the harmon curve cause it caters to a majority

[agile grove]

I would disagree actually, clicky is the only obvious one, thocky varies a lot imo

even clacky isnt exactly uniform

[halcyon obsidian]

I feel like this is like arguing colors cause we all see them differently

[void hollow]

how about a muted keyboard

[stray tiger]

I mean if you summarize that people can differentiate between lower frequency sounds and higher frequency sounds, then yes. But I don't think they will usually agree on which of those random descriptive words matches a keyboard sound every time

[agile grove]

everyone has their own idea of a keyboard sound

personally I like really deep thock

[halcyon obsidian]

but you'll always have a majority

[agile grove]

by this I mean I think thock should be really deep

[stray tiger]

Only in cases of an extreme. I've had people say "I love the thock of my keyboard" and others will say it has no thock at all.

[halcyon obsidian]

you will still have a majority no matter what

even if its 51%

think it has thock

[stray tiger]

Also don't forget https://youtu.be/TjA7Oap5XKo?si=GnpswSQdoKEkIVkS

[agile grove]

I mean, they're made up words, whose to say what they mean

[halcyon obsidian]

who is to say what red looks like?

[stray tiger]

If the question is high freq vs low freq then yes likely. I just mean if you say something is thocky and the next guy says that's more creamy to me and then someone goes it's kind of low clack or mid chonk. It's just not a good technical way to describe sounds. It takes a subjective sound test and applies a vague term, making it super confusing.

[agile grove]

literally no one yeah, everyone sees color ever so slightly different

[halcyon obsidian]

but yet we still use it

[stray tiger]

Yes but light and colors can be measured by temperature so there is a way to accurately say what spectrum a color is in. The same can be done with sound and is used in the music/speaker industry. We should do the same but that takes knowledge of frequency response.

You could say "I prefer my keyboard sound response to be in the 100-200hz range 😂

[halcyon obsidian]

I mean technically we do this other stuff

[stray tiger]

Exactly

[halcyon obsidian]

I just think keyboard enthusiast haven't hit the level of like audiophiles yet

but they prob will

[void hollow]

im getting brain damage from how my keyboard sounds really muted

[stray tiger]

But first we would need to create a scale where we define those terms "Thock = Under 500hz" for example

[halcyon obsidian]

most people are trying to do with there boards with the different mods but just dont know the science behind it

like when ppl are looking for thocc

[void hollow]

ngl i feel like this is fairly important

[halcyon obsidian]

they are adding foam to change the frequency but just dont have number behind it

[void hollow]

having ample understanding of how sound works really helps to develop in which sound profile you're looking for

[stray tiger]

Watch some of the KeyBored videos. He is great about explaining the science behind the mods

[stray tiger]

Correct, for example, most people don't understand that thicker denser foam actually reduces low frequencies and not high.

[obsidian dagger]

i would consider stuffing random materials into every crevice just that but 🤷‍♂️