🔧│keyboard_modding

[marble shuttle]

😄

[elder trout]

I think it's because 60he stock case has a smooth edge

Makes it look lower

[marble shuttle]

i kinda like it stock case :d

you dont have to switch anycases actually little bit fantasy

but I want that case since january 😄

thanks for optimum tech :d

[elder trout]

Same lol

How about wooden case?

[left patrol]

You can make your abs keycaps shiny with acetone vapor

[junior glen]

Looks ceramics, very nice

Is there a guide somewhere

[left patrol]

https://kbd.news/Vapor-polishing-1583.html

[gentle silo]

idk how this would effect dye sub keycaps,so be carefull with those id only do this on double shot

[faint timber]

just be careful with vapor from solvents itself 🙏🏻

[shell raft]

they will look like that after 1 year anyway

[bleak quarry]

After 6h of work on it (my first mods with tempest mod, lub all my switchs and wood case) I'm so proud of the result of my wooting !

[normal schooner]

looks great keeps. nice wooting and very clean desk

[bleak quarry]

Thanks a lot !

[fossil vale]

Any case recommandation for the h60 ?

[bronze grove]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[fossil vale]

Ty

Will go for the tofu60 I guess

[normal schooner]

thats discontinued

[fossil vale]

Really ?

I think I will still find it on some Chinese market

[spiral wagon]

anyone know where else to get switch springs? wooting is all sold out...

[normal schooner]

true mal we are about to sell a complete switch soon

so no loose springs anymore

[spiral wagon]

oh :/ wouldnt that entail a higher pricing.. itd be nice to be able to still buy loose springs given,well, i dont really need more switches

[normal schooner]

we dont have info on the prices :/

[fossil vale]

Guys even after lub and change the case, it won't change the switch specifity like rapid trigger or something else right ?

[normal schooner]

it wont 🙂

[stiff solar]

unless you lube too much-

[fossil vale]

Or I can notice it ?

how*

[stiff solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN_-GYLTfpY

follow this :> I heard that overlubing makes it sound mushy and such

[fossil vale]

sure ty

what about the stabs ?

Can I change it ,

?

[chrome garden]

the stock stabs can be changed

if thats what you're asking about

[fossil vale]

Yes

ty

hopefully get mine this week

[sly hollow]

any keycaps recommandations ? for iso layout

[mental hemlock]

Any ANSI layout keycaps

[shell raft]

@gentle silo actually thank god i didnt buy those random GMK sets because

well, actually there were 2, but i bought it before doing ss

[deft lava]

is there a list of compatible mods with the wooting? or does every mod work

im planning to mod tf outta my wooting

o-rings, foam, tape

and can films work on the lekker switches?

[royal sigil]

they work but i had trouble with ones that had the 'middle' connector like this

[deft lava]

Do you recommend I film a switch? And did you solve the problem of having trouble with the ones that have the middle connector?

[royal sigil]

i just ended up using ones that dont have it like these , i would highly recommend it as at least for my batch of lekker switches they were extremely rattly and wobbly

i also ended up adding some medical tape in the top housing which imo helped more but it def changed the feel in a way i dont think a lot of people will be fans of

[deft lava]

Alright, thanks for the advice!

[royal sigil]

np! gl modding ur board

[quartz lotus]

Does the tachyon low latency mode still work with the coiled cable? I've read that it doesn't work with after market cables

[shell geode]

Whoops, may need a higher strength mix 😬

[mental hemlock]

I know you understand.

[fringe ruin]

Printed a 60% case preemptively, first time using a plastic welder

[severe dune]

Thats pretty cool.

[somber scroll]

Rip. Curious how well it will work being as thin as it is? Breaking seems inevitable

[shell geode]

If handled with extreme care, the form will hold, but even with knocking on it with your knuckles would not be advised. I may have to consider a thicker bezel. Back to the drawing board! 👍

[bronze grove]

#🪛│modding_faq

[gentle silo]

you can do basically every mod that you could do with a normal custom keyboard

[severe dune]

What are you making it out of?

[gentle silo]

im not the biggest fan of Awaken but if you like it, go for it i guess.

[elder trout]

It doesn't work with some. So you really have to research the cable first

[quartz lotus]

What do I look for in the cable?

[elder trout]

Reviews I guess. Cables usually don't say how much power they output

[bronze grove]

It's not about power but cable length and the gauge of the wires.

[fickle vector]

Won't tachyon mode still work, just not full RGB brightness?

[bronze grove]

Rule of thumb is that anything longer than our cable (coiled cables need to be unrolled to count their full length) could have issues with having Tachyon running while LED brightness is high, typically need to reduce it to 70% or so.

[fickle vector]

My man kezzie out here spreading misinformation

[gentle silo]

what gauge of wires gets used in the stock cable?

[bronze grove]

No idea.

You'd have to email us about that or ask on a livestream where Jeroen is present.

[gentle silo]

ok, maybe ill do dat

[elder trout]

guys 60he left shift is 2.25U right?

[bronze grove]

2u

[normal schooner]

#🪛│modding_faq

[austere creek]

well depends on layout

[bronze grove]

Not for us it doesn't.

[elder trout]

this image from the FAQ says 2.25U?

[austere creek]

they didnt mention ansi or iso though

and ya its 2.25

iso is 1.25 as theres a 1u key next to it that ansi doesnt have

[elder trout]

i got ansi

[austere creek]

then 2.25

[bronze grove]

Oh ffs... my brain is thinking stabs.

Disregard me 😄

Yes - Refer to the images in the FAQ for keycaps.

[elder trout]

haha alright

[remote tartan]

is a psd60 compatible with a 60he?

[grizzled path]

yesh!

[remote tartan]

😄

ty

[pine tusk]

looking for a case like this as well but one that ships easily to the Netherlands and without the big ass branding 😅

[grizzled path]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003524133078.html psd60 clone without branding

or psd60re to be specific I guess

[pine tusk]

oh great thanks will order later today!!

[cerulean cliff]

Is poron more dense than the stock case foam that the wooting comes with?

[gentle silo]

yes, id say so from my experience. cant confirm it tho, dunno what foam the stock wooting uses

[grizzled path]

it's EPDM

[gentle silo]

aight then its sightly denser

[cloud plaza]

this looks so clean 😳

this is actually so nice to look at

[pine tusk]

love it as well that one ye, although I would forget some keys lol

after that image I've been trying to find some good quality caps with the characters on the side like this but can't find ones that have a nice simple typeface without icons (like "super" instead of windows icon etc)

[bronze grove]

Also keep in mind that you won't get as much LED brightness on side print.

Our LEDs are north facing.

[pine tusk]

ah ye that was actually one of the questions I had and wanted to double check thanks heh

I guess I will end up with black keycaps with either shine through or black lettering on the top (new to this don't know the correct terms lol). Now I only have to find ones that have a pretty typeface.

wish this new ABC Dinamo typeface could be on my keys for example https://abcdinamo.com/typefaces/rom

as a designer myself I just can't deal with the amount of ugly typefaces out there sometimes lol but personal preference ofc

[edgy veldt]

is it possible with abit of modding of the kbdfans PC plate could it fit the wooting60he? https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMzkBN2

[spice tiger]

You'll need to make your own custom plate file

Luckily enough someone has made a plate file for a frog60he aka wooting in a frog mini

[edgy veldt]

ik but I just want to know if modding it to fit is possible

[shell raft]

have a question, is silicone oil ok for lubing springs?

[mental hemlock]

@cloud plaza that’s a photo I found online lol, but I’m gonna do the same. Full black keyboard, everything you can think of.

It’s gonna look extremely similar to that.

[spice tiger]

Get some good quality blanks

[mental hemlock]

I already bought some Amazon blanks lol

[spice tiger]

Welp

Not my textbook definition of good

[mental hemlock]

They should be fine they’re just blanks

Don’t need to be exceptional quality

I’m just waiting to get an RK61 Pro for cheap to paint the case and plate black

Then I can get some oil kings and do the build

[spice tiger]

Ah a rk61 pro...

How much are they

[mental hemlock]

60 bucks

[spice tiger]

Bitch tf I thought u were gonna cheap out on this

[spice tiger]

Ehhhh

[mental hemlock]

That’s the only problem

I don’t think there’s another full black switch

[spice tiger]

You're not really gonna see the switches

And oil kings are also slightly translucent bottom

I have a cheap reccomendation tho if you want something full black and cheap

[mental hemlock]

Please show me haha

[spice tiger]

Also why an rk61 pro

[mental hemlock]

And the only reason I want those is because from side pictures you can still see the color of the switch

[mental hemlock]

Because it’s aluminum case haha

[spice tiger]

Ok but that depends on the board

[mental hemlock]

Still need it

[spice tiger]

It's a cheap Alu case tho

[mental hemlock]

Gasket mount

[spice tiger]

Might as well get a 40 dollar alu board

[spice tiger]

It's not

[mental hemlock]

Hell nah

Fuck the GK61

[spice tiger]

It's tray mount

[spice tiger]

The rk61 pro isn't gasket

[mental hemlock]

Screws from the bottom

[spice tiger]

Still tray mount

And that's definitely not gasket

[mental hemlock]

Ah ok

It’s fine

It works for me because I can just paint it

[spice tiger]

https://www.amazon.com/KEMOVE-Mechanical-Swappable-Programmable-Macros-Linear/dp/B09LM9CWX1/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=28NYSB9ZC7LB2&keywords=kemove+aluminum&qid=1686678875&sprefix=%2Caps%2C692&sr=8-4

[mental hemlock]

And it’s cheap as shit

[spice tiger]

20 dollars cheaper

Similar quality

[mental hemlock]

That’s disgusting

The RK61 Pro is still my pick lol

Send me that switch though I’m intrigued

No clear housings

[spice tiger]

Fyi your paint won't stick

If you want a good coating or color you need to anodize it

And what about the plate? If you can see the switches from the side then you can see the plate as well, which you'll also need to paint

Why don't you just get a black keyboard to begin with?

[mental hemlock]

Which I plan to paint both lol

I want the premium feel of alu for cheap

[cloud plaza]

good luck 😎

[mental hemlock]

And the only thing similar to what I want is the HHKB blank black

[spice tiger]

Which would not result in something that feels premium

It would just feel like a cheap coating of paint

[spice tiger]

Look realistically speaking what's your actual budget and how much have you spent

[mental hemlock]

20 bucks on blanks

[spice tiger]

And the rest...

[mental hemlock]

Nothing

[spice tiger]

What's your budget

[spice tiger]

You haven't actually told it

[mental hemlock]

It doesn’t matter lol

I’ll spend enough to make what I want come through

[spice tiger]

Get a bakeneko

The coating is high quality, there's 2 different types of black coloring

And it's 130 dollars but the value is there

For the switch you can go for something budget like the jwick blacks

[shell geode]

Concrete! 👍

[mental hemlock]

i got the jwick blacks but the tactiles

they got an aqua stem which i hate

Oil kings are my pic

pick*

I'm typing on blanks right now lol

I forced myself to touch type using them lol

[shell geode]

My oil kings came in yesterday, and they're amazing!

[mental hemlock]

please show pictures

[shell geode]

I'll post later today! At work 😆

[spice tiger]

Oil kings are linears.....

[shell geode]

Now how to get the Lekkers to sound like the Oil Kings 🤔

[mental hemlock]

I know lol

[spice tiger]

Then why not jwick?

[spice tiger]

You cant, end of story

[mental hemlock]

youre so pessimistic bro

[spice tiger]

Tf u mean

I'm being realistic, they literally are made from different materials

[mental hemlock]

doesnt hurt to try

[spice tiger]

Ok how tho

Let's see if you can magically replace the material in the bottom AND top housings of the lekker switches.... With the oil kings that uses completely different materials

[mental hemlock]

dont care

[spice tiger]

It's like someone asking if they can turn tactiles into linears

[spice tiger]

Bro u were the one who brought it up

[mental hemlock]

I can, gimme some krytox 205g0

[rugged cosmos]

hey any advice for a case around 100 euros ?

[mental hemlock]

no i didnt lol

[spice tiger]

Fun fact that doesn't make them sound the same

[mental hemlock]

I will

[spice tiger]

You said "no need to be pessimistic"

[shell geode]

I agree, the reality is that it's surely not possible to make a drastic modification, but the concept of experimenting within reason is worthwhile

[mental hemlock]

And so will @shell geode

[spice tiger]

See, he agreed with me

[spice tiger]

The most u can do is probably swap the top with cherry

[spice tiger]

U will what?

[mental hemlock]

he basically said it doesnt hurt to try but using bigger words

[spice tiger]

Also do u want some other switches or what?

[shell geode]

It's okay to be a bit pessimistic, but also curious

[mental hemlock]

Do what I want and make my dreams come true

[mental hemlock]

yea

seen the black jwicks

[spice tiger]

You can be curious but u should be realistic

[shell geode]

Yes definitely

[spice tiger]

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! Rp115,669 39%OFF | G-Square Dark Warrior White Samurai Dreamland 42g Linear Tactile HP Switch for Mechanical Keyboard 5 Pins GK61 Anne Pro 2
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPPXL6y

[spice tiger]

It's frankly imposible to make a lekker sound like oil kings

[mental hemlock]

whats this

[spice tiger]

A switch

And a good one

Also a tactile

[shell geode]

You are right, they're entirely different

[spice tiger]

Very new but very good

[gentle silo]

well if you buy a factory and creat new custom moldes...

[spice tiger]

You cant

Oil kings have a secret recipe only gateron knows

Also even with the same materials if you don't outsource it from the same manufacturer or supplier it would sound different

[gentle silo]

that was a joke if you didnt notice...

but what if i buy gateron the company?

[mental hemlock]

While we know that it isn't feasibly possible, the fact of the matter is that he can use many different materials, modifications, cases, and etc. He has gone as far as making a silicone pour of a Poseidon 60 aluminum case. So, I trust that @shell geode will do something that will blow our minds.

[spice tiger]

I'm currently in a bit of a "why doesn't this guy hear logic" kinda mood so I currently cannot be joked with, sorry it went over mu jead

[shell geode]

I'm certain Gateron has experimented on the Lekkers numerous times before finalizing on the current design, so there may have been a version in between

[spice tiger]

That wouldn't be making the switches sound like each other

[gentle silo]

all good, no one got hurt lol

[shell geode]

You give me too much credit 😆

[spice tiger]

That would make the board sound different

Fyi boards make most of the sound not switches, however when put in the same keyboard those said switches will sound different

[mental hemlock]

Hes not trynna replicate the exact sound the switch makes my brother

he just wants to replicate a good sounding switch

[spice tiger]

Also tf is "isnt feasibly possible" it's not that it's impossible

[mental hemlock]

you need to take a break brother

go play some games

[spice tiger]

The debate started when he said "can I make lekker switches sound the same as oil kings"

[spice tiger]

Why? For being correct?

[mental hemlock]

for taking stuff too literally

[spice tiger]

Sorry I've been taking stuff too literal because you keep spewing bullshit

[mental hemlock]

haha

[spice tiger]

Now get the dark square tactiles and bakeneko so we can get along with this

Could you use aliexpress?

[mental hemlock]

I dont think I want tactiles

im fine with the oil kings or jwicks

[spice tiger]

So no tactiles?

[mental hemlock]

no, to be honest

[shell geode]

Before I chose Oil Kings, I was considering Black Ink V2s as well

[spice tiger]

I'm guessing you don't want trash switches because of their stem?

[mental hemlock]

what would constitute a trash switch

anything that fucking works, but no clear housing bullshit

[spice tiger]

That's the name

[mental hemlock]

is there anything similar to oil kings aesthetically

[spice tiger]

trash switches

[spice tiger]

So like full black?

There's the jwk h1

[mental hemlock]

i think i seen it on amazon

ill look at it now my boys need me on DayZ

[spice tiger]

Wait u can only use Amazon?

[mental hemlock]

im not trynna wait too long

[spice tiger]

Fuck that changes alot of my options that I gave you then

[spice tiger]

Does that mean you can't get a bakeneko?

[mental hemlock]

I like it but i dont like that the usb comes out the middle

[spice tiger]

Ah ok....

[patent smelt]

Is there a way to make the software for the wooting keyboards work if you put the lekker switches in another keyboard?

sorry if i worded that poorly lol

[spice tiger]

No

[patent smelt]

aight i'll be sticking to what i have then, don't think theres a point in having that functionality if you can't really use it

[thick mural]

if only wooting would make uhmwe stems

[gentle silo]

the wat

[thick mural]

think ptfe but far more durable

[gentle silo]

wooting switches are smooth enough that not the problem with them

[thick mural]

they sound far better tho

and pc casings

[sly plaza]

hey anyone have experience putting the wooting 60he in a freebird60 case

[thick mural]

arent exactly the greatest

they can sound pretty good

but pom tends to be the go to

[sly plaza]

i recently did that and seems like the usbc cable is loose? like if i tilt my kb it will disconnect

[gentle silo]

fair point, maybe gateron will release something in the future... idl love a full pom "lekker" switch

[sly plaza]

doesnt impact ingame use but dont think i had this issue in the stock case

[thick mural]

the lekker switch for what it is sounds pretty good

but as always, there's improvements

would be nice to see wooting implement some of them in the future

[patent smelt]

I think they where supposed to have new batches around the 4th of june right ?

[gentle silo]

true, a high end board with a high end sounding switch would be dope

[patent smelt]

I might just get a 12 pack just to test them out, almost everyone seems really positive about them

[gentle silo]

the 45g switches? isnt the onlz difference the spring?

[patent smelt]

not sure actually, I think you can buy springs seperate anyway so if it bothers me I just put in the other springs

[gentle silo]

no, the seperat springs wont return, only switches will be for sale

[patent smelt]

ah, fair. I am usually not that sensitive to weight anyway I found out, mostly just do gaming anyway not a whole lot of typing comparitively.

so weight is less of an issue I think to where you really want that "typing feel"

and could also get other springs that are more or less meaty depending on what i think of them

[somber scroll]

@shell geode did you ever end up heatshrinking your stabs? Or could you not find the right size
I finally got some small stuff and tried it and I think I need to take it off due to how tight they are lol. Not the stock stabs but FL CMMK v3s. Thinking I should’ve just lubed them 😂

[shell geode]

I did! I had to recut since it was too long and shrunk, but also found out it was a really tight fit, so I ended up taking them off. I would have liked to try the silicone housing route like the set Wuque Studio has, but they aren't plate mounted. I just want the inserts 😭

[red edge]

does anyone know if the wooting 60he fits in a ducky one 3 mini case?

[somber scroll]

Oh those are very interesting. Once I take off the tubing I’m gonna try Teflon tape to see if I can get that to deaden the ping a bit but otherwise I’m probably just gonna go with lube for stab modding (although I do have pads on the pcb as well)

[shell raft]

someone knows how long does it take for candykeys to complete an order?

[red edge]

anyone knows if the wooting 60he fits in the ducky one 3 mini case, it is compatible with the one 2 mini but im not sure about the one 3 mini

[haughty scarab]

aye would this case fit the 60he? https://www.dhgate.com/product/resin-light-case-keyboard-case-milk-shell/726149113.html

[normal schooner]

could you edit your link everything after .html can be removed. those are trackers

[haughty scarab]

ight

[normal schooner]

looks similiar to melgeeks resin case on #🪛│modding_faq

I think its compatible

[haughty scarab]

yea i wanted one of those but they are out of stock

[shell geode]

Seeing as they share the same screw mounts, it should fit the same as the Mini 2 👍

[mental hemlock]

Anyone a fan of ITX PCs

[left patrol]

Too much hassle

At least if you want to go high end

For mid class its nice

[storm pivot]

Used to have a Dr. Zaber Sentry with a 1080 in it, but since the 30 series, it's tough to do super small form-factor with a high end gpu

[hidden badger]

Yeah. Have a few cases. Nr200, meshlicious, Formd t1.

[last lintel]

Sigh, ordered Krytox GPL 205 G0 from amazon, and did not get the real deal...

[pulsar ridge]

I am, just not a fan of the mobo pricing :p

I generally find myself going for MATX these days since the mobo is cheap and I can still save on space a little bit. I only go for ITX builds if there is a good deal on the mobo when I'm building

[tacit solar]

Hey y'all I've got my wooting 60he for a week and have some problems with it. I lubed the stabs but everything's still rattling😥 I've noticed (didn't lube the switches myself yet) that the switches have some wiggle room in the socket. And that the stem itself has wiggle room while pushing slightly down. Does anyone have the same problem?😊

And most importamt, a solution?😅

[pulsar ridge]

Stock stabs?

[tacit solar]

Yeep

[pulsar ridge]

Can try clipping them and see if it helps. I use the little adhesive strips with poron and put them underneath the stabs. Alternatively buy some durock/everglide plate mount stabs

[somber scroll]

Lekkers are fairly loose. Some batches worse than others. You can try switch films if the top housing is too loose. If the switch wobbles in the actual plate, you could try wrapping small pieces of electrical tape around the edges of the wholes

If the stem itself is too loose, you could try wrapping some tiny pieces of medical tape around the edges of the top housing hole (just start with the left and right edges I think) but that wouldn’t solve wobble as you press down

Also when you lubed the stabs what did you use?

205g0 everywhere or did you use a thicker grease for the wires?

[tacit solar]

Well thought about that but I don't really know if thats gonna work since it has to be right on the plate.

[somber scroll]

I think some people have applied electrical tape and it’s been fine. Can always try it with one switch and if it causes issues just remove it

[tacit solar]

For the housings yeah, for the wires dielectric grease.

[tacit solar]

true

[somber scroll]

AFAIK tho most people don’t have problems with wobbling in the plate. Might be something to open a ticket in #1019755933959733258 about

[tacit solar]

Thought about that too but tbh I think it's the stem / switch.

[somber scroll]

Hmm. The stock ones are apparently comparable to durocks so idk if you’ll be able to upgrade much. Although if your switches are rattling in the plate the stabs might also be slightly loose

[tacit solar]

hmm Stabs seem fine, comparing it to other keyboards

[tacit solar]

Yeah will probably do I guess

Thanks!

[somber scroll]

No problemo

[flint trail]

anyone know where to get some light springs for this keyboard

for the switchs

[timid raft]

I think the only ones that are compatible with the lekker switches are the ones that Wooting uses themselves

[flint trail]

yeah they are sold out thooo

[timid raft]

thankfully they sell 30cN springs on their site

[timid raft]

oh I see

[flint trail]

30 cn ?

[timid raft]

or 50cn?

idk

[flint trail]

: o

[flint trail]

the springs are heavy af

ooo ic

[timid raft]

the default ones are 60cN

yeah I am pretty sure that I've heard in Optimum Tech's video (or someone else's) that aftermarket springs aren't compatible

[flint trail]

yeah

they have to be none magnetic

and they also larger

than cherry

[timid raft]

yes

[flint trail]

checked gateron website but they dont got anything

sadga

went from a 50cn to 60 cn is big difference for sure feels way hard to push

[timid raft]

yeah the difference is -17%

[dense snow]

anyone ever had problems with uneven modifier keycaps?

shift, backspace, space, etc.

[dense snow]

according to mansen, it was the last restock of the 50cn, as they're going to be releasing a 45cn version soon

[light drift]

I looked at the bottom of the PCB and it seems like one of the standoffs (top left) of the PSD60 comes unconfortably close to an SMD component on the board. Does anyone haave any issues with it?

also has anyone been able to find lekker compatible films?

[flint trail]

Oh sweet

Starting to get use to the 60 gram after few hours but still it's way more fatiguing forsure feels less responsive than my old board
Thanks tho will keep eye out

[dense snow]

i've personally used the 50cn as I thought it would be more suitable for me since i preferred something lighter than 60cn

ironically i felt it was too light for me and decided spend another 3 hours to swap back to 60cn

after being on it for a month or so

i’m sure you’ll learn to appreciate the 60cn for what it is, as i believe it strikes a nice balance for all instances of usage

[placid walrus]

Howdy friends, is there any information I'm missing about modding a Wooting One? Thanks.

[dense snow]

personally, i felt that the 50cn lacked the “tactility” and snappy rebound of the 60cn, and was only beneficial in gaming

[placid walrus]

I searched through the FAQ but information seems focused on the 60HE.

[flint trail]

Fair enough yeah I game only pretty much but definitely prefer lighter switch 😅

[dense snow]

i even prefer the 60cn over the 50cn in gaming, since you don’t have as much control over short actuation and rapid trigger

but if you’re still inclined to get a lighter switch just wait for the 45cn when it releases

[flint trail]

Fair enough yeah I just find it fatiguing to use the heavier springs mostly play dota so going 60 mins sometimes of constant pressing of buttons feels worst forsure

[dense snow]

what switches did you use before?

[flint trail]

Optical yellow gats

There 50 cn

Idk man definitely noticeable from 50 to 60

[dense snow]

they bottom out at 50?

[flint trail]

Must probably

Looks like they 35 gf lmfao

That's a lot more 😂

35 gram actuation force

So yeah nvm alot different

It's almost double what ive been using

[dense snow]

35 grams is simply where the key will actuate

it’s different from bottom-out which is where the key is fully pressed and making contact with the top housing

wooting’s 60cn means a 60cn bottom-out

so you’re looking at about a 10g difference

[flint trail]

Ooo

[shell geode]

@mental hemlock Here are the Oil Kings! The F row has Milky Yellows, which are my personal favorites that I like to compare new switches to

[mental hemlock]

It sounds so good

[shell geode]

I still need to break them in too! Hoping they sound better down the road. Definitely worth getting 👍

[mental hemlock]

why did i react with hearts twice

get your 8 hours of sleep at the best time guys

dont be like me

[fluid ravine]

sounds great!

[shell geode]

Thank you! 🙏

[fluid ravine]

was looking back to this message, and yes i know ten days thats crazy
but I do believe this actually works
the raised standoffs shouldnt interfere the pcb so it should be fine

[mental hemlock]

I want a custom

[jaunty hatch]

no, you want a wooting

[mental hemlock]

no wooting money

[jaunty hatch]

good prices

[shell geode]

not sure if a keyboard hobby should be a good time right now lol

[mental hemlock]

why

[shell geode]

it can get pricey

[mental hemlock]

im not scared

[chilly lantern]

got my case and keycaps before i even got my wooting 🙂

[shell geode]

When's your Wooting coming in?

[mental hemlock]

i habe not ordered it

no job

[gentle silo]

now is a better time then ever, switches, good cases and keycaps are in stock 90% of the time. Its way cheaper then lets say 2-3 years ago

[shell geode]

Sorry I was referring to no money = no hobby

[gentle silo]

yes, no money = no fun

[dense snow]

do switch films still effect magnet sensing offset?

[bronze grove]

The laws of physics haven't changed. So I'd assume so.

[gentle silo]

theoredically they should, it can create some issues on 0.1 actuation for some.

[dense snow]

is there a way that wooting would allow for a way to offset the range of the hall-effect sensing so as to accomodate switch films?

[bronze grove]

The offset isn't the issue, the wobble would be.

[dense snow]

because i'm looking to film my switches with 0.15mm films and i don't know if i want to make that compromise

[bronze grove]

A film is essentially padding, which means the switch will move around slightly.

[gentle silo]

well you just set you actuation up by 0.1mm and problem fixed

[bronze grove]

That being said, I do believe Tirade tested some films that didn't interfere. I assume he might have made notes over in #🪛│modding_faq

[dense snow]

so switch films would act as a buffer between the position of the magnet under the stem and the sensor on the motherboard

so if the switches did happen to be offset by a distance greater than 0.1mm, a 4.0 actuation wouldn't work yeah?

[dense snow]

that's true, but we all love pretty solutions 😢

[gentle silo]

true aswell lol, i got my switches filmed and im also using a custom plate wich is 0.1mm to thick, so idk where my issues originate from tbh. ive heard from others that filing the swithces didnt create issues for the tho.

[dense snow]

what did you have issues with exactly?

[gentle silo]

actuation and rappid trigger on the lowest possible settings, my inputs got cut off sometimes/wobble deactivated the switch

[dense snow]

ah that's unfortunate

do you still use those mods?

[gentle silo]

but as said im also running a custom plate

[dense snow]

the plate is supposed to be 1.5mm thick yeah?

but you said your custom one is 1.6mm?

[gentle silo]

yes it doesnt bother me as 0.1 was to low/fast for me anyways. 0.3 actuation and 0.2 rapid trigger seems to be the sweetspot for me

[dense snow]

which films did you use?

[gentle silo]

correct, im running an fr4 plate. fr4 plates get made just like pcbs thats why there isnt an option for 1.5mm

[gentle silo]

these here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004351064286.html

the pc version

[dense snow]

0.3mm is pretty thick

considering the tolerances for actuation range

[gentle silo]

im not using the poron version, i got the pc ones 1.5mm

[dense snow]

did you get poron films or pc films

ah

okay

i'd have to see if filming switches creates a visible gap compared to a non-filmed switch

[gentle silo]

if i remember i can send you a pic of one of my switches later when im home. but yea filing usually lifts up the top housing to reduce the tollerances so theoredically the bottom out is still the same

[dense snow]

but the stem rests against the top housing, so if it's lifted the magnet would be offset, yeah?

[gentle silo]

got confused for a sec lol yes you are right XD

[dense snow]

another thing that i've heard is that apparently the keyboard is recalibrated every time it's plugged in

but i'm not sure if that has anything to do with adjusting offset

[dense snow]

it just clicked, what did you mean by the wobble?

[ashen smelt]

Does the plate from the HIBI case work with wooting?

[bronze grove]

-no- plates work with the 60HE. You'll need to fabricate or mod one.

[ashen smelt]

Damn

[upbeat delta]

No, hibi plate is WKL / HHKB layout

[ashen smelt]

That HIBI case looks intriguing though

I’m gonna buy one

[upbeat delta]

It's awesome

Super spongy

Very nice sound

[ashen smelt]

Sounds nice?

Hmm

Better than a standard aluminum case?

[upbeat delta]

I had a kbdfans 5° before, and i like this sound better

But I tend to prefer plastic over metal sound in keebs

[ashen smelt]

Yeah thinking I’m gonna sell my bg60 for it

If anyone in this discord wants to buy it and skip Chinese shipping times hmu lmao

[ashen smelt]

I also love how the edges are thicker

Looks very nice

[upbeat delta]

Note that this is a stone table and it will def sound different on other surfaces

[dense snow]

i'm not sure if this applies to lekker switches

but i have a comparison between the height of a non-filmed and a filmed switch

on the left is a filmed zyko frankenswitch

right is non-filmed

[gentle silo]

well there is a physical objet between top and bottom housing ofc there will be a difference

[dense snow]

call me insane for actually testing this out

[gentle silo]

right one looks taller

[dense snow]

i'm saying that the image kinda contradicts it since both switches are like the same height...

and that the height difference could be attributed to tolerances in the housings and not the films maybe

despite the left one being filmed

and the right one not being filmed

[gentle silo]

true ig, mybe the films just "fill up" the tollerances?

[dense snow]

that's what i'm imagining

do you think you can do this same test with the lekkers? i had two switches stand on their stems side by side

and had my phone camera on the table zoomed in

[gentle silo]

ill do a comparison when im home

[dense snow]

alright, thanks

tag me when you get to it

[gentle silo]

ill also measure them with calipers and stuff to see if theres a difference maybe

[dense snow]

i don't even have calipers, that's a bonus

the desperate lengths i go to give myself peace of mind

[fickle vector]

[gentle silo]

[fickle vector]

Y'all crazy

How much of a difference is the film gonna make in sound/feel?

[gentle silo]

its hearable, and noticably tighter

[fickle vector]

Depends on the individual switch tho yeah?

[primal hound]

i love the 2hz pitch difference with my switches films

[gentle silo]

yeayea, my board is from a pretty early batch, maybe they refined the molds a bit, but i got some housing wobbl on mine

[fickle vector]

Oh shit I have that too

[gentle silo]

so i tought, if i already pay a shit ton of money for my other mods i might aswell invest the 10€/1 hour and do it properly

[fickle vector]

Here's the thing tho - the switches are larger than the usual switch

So the films won't fit

[gentle silo]

its a bit finicy, but with tx stlyle files you can film them, the ones from WuqueStudio work even better. you kinda gotta twist them on. lay them on sideways and turn them

[fickle vector]

Bruh that is some jank

[gentle silo]

works quiet well actually, took me a few minutes to get used to but i got all done within an hour

[fickle vector]

I noticed with my switches the wobble is quite inconsistent

[gentle silo]

yea some are tight, some arent

[fickle vector]

The first switch I pulled out had a good bit, the next one had none

I do wonder if/how it affects feel/sound tho... does it only affect the experience when you're typing at an angle or smth?

Cause usually you'd go pretty much straight down on the switch... Or does the spring cause the rattle when it jumps back up?

[gentle silo]

the loose housing can creat some noise on the bottomout afaik, most of the time you actually dont press down perfectly straight

loos top houseing can also make a sound when the spring "snaps back up"

[fickle vector]

Aren't they mutually inclusive?

I can't remember if it's ex or inclusive

Anyway it's the space between the top and bottom housing that causes the rattle right? So you can't say it's only the bottom or only the top no?

[gentle silo]

true ig

[fickle vector]

But yeah I mean if there are some films that can be worked with, I'd totally do it

[inland plank]

Does any one no what Wooting keycap sizes are? Are they OEM? And does any no of any low profile key caps with side print?

[bronze grove]

All of our keycaps except for the 5sided dye sub take control keycaps are OEM.

[gentle silo]

yep, as said the ones form WuqueStudio work best so far. They arent 100% perfect tho as they are still made for "regular" switches

[fickle vector]

But better than the wooble ig?

[gentle silo]

yes, i can maybe try to show of the wobble difference when im at home

[fickle vector]

You'd wanna film all the switches even tho some of them don't wobble yeah?

[gentle silo]

thats atleast what i did

[fickle vector]

And even the tight ones can close?

[gentle silo]

did you already lube your switches?

[fickle vector]

I lubed 2/3

[gentle silo]

in my experience they get a bit looser after opening once or twice. for me all switches were able to close

[fickle vector]

cool cool

[gleaming violet]

What are some wooting cases that are currently in stock I can get?

any suggestions are greatly appreciated

[bronze grove]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

Hard to say - Depends on your location and timing. This chart gives you the options, and then you'll just have to apply some google and see.

[gleaming violet]

thank you very much!

[wary saffron]

Im thinking about buying a new keycap set but im not sure if it is compatible with my wooting he60. This is the set i wanna buy.

https://www.alpheriorkeys.com/products/red-oni-dragon-keycap-set-alpherior-keys?variant=40932943101999

[gleaming violet]

I remember someone on here posted these similar keycaps at wooting setups and from Alpherior keys

So should work

[bronze grove]

ANSI keyboard? Yes. In spite of their really shitty incomplete product photos.

ISO? No.

[grizzled path]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1110903106604105778

[wary saffron]

okay thank you. They dont really make the best pictures xd

[wary saffron]

Oh thx😅

[shrewd lagoon]

curious questions.

i’ve got all my lube and tape ready to mod as soon as i get my wooting keyboard.

1. i’ve heard the switches are sometimes loose will this affect anything?
2. will 105g0 be good for the springs (as this is what i bought for springs)
3. will 205g0 be good for switches and stabs?
4. with tape mod i’ve tape modded other keyboards before so biggie with that. any other cheap mods to do for wooting that’ll make it sound better?
5. will get better case and keycaps once i get paid in 2 weeks so dw about suggesting that

any help will be greatly appreciated

[shell raft]

i heard quite a lot of people do burger mount

other thing is that big o-ring around the entire pcb

[fickle vector]

@gentle silohttps://geon.works/products/switch-films?variant=43053442695331

Bro

Wouldn't this switch film work?

TX could work as well ig

[shrewd lagoon]

i did see that thanks will look into it :)

[gentle silo]

yes, i haven testen th geon films yet but heard good things about then.

[gentle silo]

tx works aswell.

[fickle vector]

TX and Wuque seem prety similar. TX might be slightly better since it looks more spacious inside

But the Geon ones

[gentle silo]

no wuque works better from what ive hard, id like to test the geon ones, but i aint paying 20€ just for shipping

[fickle vector]

Yeah I'm looking at other sites that offer the Geon to see if anything's cheaper

Keebsforall was tryna charge me $60 for shipping a $6 order

[gentle silo]

58$ for me lol

[pine tusk]

newb question again but anyone know if this is a good price? looking for black on black PBT keycaps with a 'super' instead of windows key that ship to the Netherlands but harder find then I thought https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005005131574398.html

[gentle silo]

it seems kinda impossible to get them in eu

[fickle vector]

There's also the matter of import tax and handling fees if it's coming from outside the EU...

Could easily double the price in a nasty surprise

[gentle silo]

i dont see any material specifications or anthing how the legends are made. could be hit or miss

[pine tusk]

yea thats my worry as well

unfortunaly not a lot of reviews either

[gentle silo]

true, ive found these, but they are the foam variant https://www.eloquentclicks.com/product/geon-switch-foam-films/

[fickle vector]

Would foam work?

[gentle silo]

my guess would be either abs or pbt dyesub, just from how the legended look

[gentle silo]

thats the thing, due to the "non standard" switch sizing it would most likely be a pain to install those

[icy pier]

xr60 case with mechkeys rinko keycaps

[gentle silo]

so id try to stick to pc, but if you want to try it i wont stop u 🙂

[pine tusk]

ye also for that price. found these as well there which says pbt and are more pricey https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005004898765941.html

[gentle silo]

yea, exact same product pictures, prolly getting resoled on ali. most likely originate somewhere on taobao

[fickle vector]

This guy tried poron film on a different board: https://youtu.be/OKpq-SJbrNU

[pine tusk]

this is going to my first time modding something but really such a dense space to navigate when you start out heh

[gentle silo]

its alot easier these days to get into the hobby luckily, there are many resources and stuff available + stuff is actually in stock.

[gentle silo]

fuk it, ill just oder them lol, got tx style, the wuque and then these films lol

[fickle vector]

lesgooo

[pine tusk]

true true, although with reddit going dark it's hard, hopefully that will be over soon

[gentle silo]

r/mk is online again

[pine tusk]

ah great

[gentle silo]

3€ vat + 9€ shipping gonna search for some other stuff to order there aswell lol

[fickle vector]

yeaaa

[fickle vector]

bruh you can buy spacebar foam there

Never seen this before. I thought people just used museum putty?

3.5, 6, or 9.5mm

[gentle silo]

yea thats a thing, ended up not getting anythen else, just the films for 20€

[fickle vector]

I was considering grabbing the wooden wrist rest

[gentle silo]

im not really a wristwrest user

[thick mural]

ive used it and its nice but i use a resin spacebar now which sounds much nicer

[gentle silo]

and much more expensive

[thick mural]

it was 20usd

[gentle silo]

price is fine, still expensive for 1 keycap.

[thick mural]

not really 20 usd for a handcrafted full spacebar is pretty good

that included shipping

[gentle silo]

is it handcrafted tho?

[thick mural]

yes

[gentle silo]

@fickle vector did you get your keyboard case already?

[fickle vector]

Nah not yet

[dry wigeon]

Hey folks, what lube do you recommend for stabilizers? I'm looking to reduce the sound as much as possible

[gentle silo]

i use 205g0 for housings and wires. but for the wires something thicker like dielectric grease can be better.

or maybe even something like Molykote

[dry wigeon]

I wanted the Molykote em-50l, but impossible to find locally

[gentle silo]

then dielectric greas maybe, only for the wires tho for the housings i prefer 205g0

but tbh, i personally do everything with 205g0

[dry wigeon]

so you do that for wires and housings ? 😄

[gentle silo]

yea

[dry wigeon]

what's the difference between using the same or a different one ?

[gentle silo]

thechnically something thicker on the wires wouldnt "slide" off as much when putting them in afaik. but ive never bother to order extra lube for that as it just costs more money. i just dunk my wires into the lube and thats mostly it lol, not the most enconomically as lube in general is expensive, but ive got enought and dont build keyboards all the time.

[dry wigeon]

Ok, so probably being a bit less generous in the lube application will help in not having it everywhere lol?

[gentle silo]

yea, there are great lubing/tuning guide on yt for stabs. in my experience tho, the wooting stabs actually sound pretty decent and come generously lubed already

[cerulean cliff]

What pcbs are compatible with the default wooting case? I wanna put a hotswap one in there for another build

[bronze grove]

Only one way to find out.

[noble harness]

lol thanks, yep did not need extenders. Persoanlly needed longer screws for the burger mount though, just couldn't get it to thread with the stock screws. Finished up the build last Saturday, I have a full build breakdown ready to post. Just waiting for the Reddit CEO to resign first LMAO

[slate lance]

I think most pcbs will fit, ive tested with a dz60 so as long as the dimensions are similar it should fit

Plates can be another issue tho

[hollow anchor]

For those wondering if the XVX Low Profile keycaps work on the 60HE, I used the Skyline version. (sorry for the low quality pictures lol).

[dry wigeon]

Does brass and rubber keycaps are quieter than other types of keycaps ?

[scarlet ravine]

rubber yes

[drifting topaz]

any rec on a case for it? Also anyone know any release date news on the wooting case?

[dry wigeon]

https://mekanisk.com/products/fjell-keyboard-case-only and https://mekanisk.com/products/klippe-t-keyboard-case-only are good ones, but expensives

[scarlet ravine]

damn looks so nice

but price is very high

[dry wigeon]

Not brass keycaps?

[versed pivot]

The unbranded tofu60 clone for 95€ from aliexpress

[dry wigeon]

at 95E, for the price difference I would get a Klippe T 😬

[versed pivot]

Depends on the country

For germany e.g. you can add another 60€ for shipping and possible taxes.

[stone kraken]

does, anyone have any cool color ways for the 60he that they would like to share

[tulip topaz]

how has the build held up with the switches? like do you still use those keycaps on the board and do you notice the added weight is a negative? or

[molten vale]

should i bag lube or will the springs get stuck together

[stone kraken]

what site should I buy keycaps on

[dry wigeon]

I just bought aluminium keycaps, to try it out lol

[dry wigeon]

Has anyone tested putting 2 o-rings ? I tested with 1 and 2, and it looks like the sounds is more low frequency with 2 than 1

[uneven zealot]

i bought extra wooting springs just incase the cerakeys were too heavy but i never felt like i needed to swap out the stock springs. they work great. the only issue i have is one keycap pops off the switch when i type but luckily theres extras in the kit. might just be a bad batch for me

[dry wigeon]

wouah, ceramic keycaps? How do they feel and sound ?

[uneven zealot]

they definitely sound better than stock to me. deeper sound profile. i can tell qc is a problem since ceramic is harder to work with. wouldnt say its worth the price but its a nice gimmick if you like the look and sound

[versed pivot]

They get entangled a bit but you can separate them quiet nicely

[shell geode]

Added a bonding adhesive to the mix this time, expecting to be a much stronger hold. Also added a bit of charcoal dye to make it darker, should be a bit lighter when it dries. Also making a keycap mold for a future resin project!

[dry wigeon]

Any link ?

[uneven zealot]

https://www.cerakey.com/
these were the ones i got

https://youtu.be/KWD04lvpjhU
i also enjoyed keybored's review on it but there's lots of other great ones

[tulip topaz]

out of curiosity what key cap pops off?

& do you have the 17g spacebar or the OG 34g spacebar

oh right but you're using an artisan spacebar, probably because even 17g is too heavy or?

[uneven zealot]

'A key' since i use wsad a lot for games. it popped out twice until i decided to swap them out. havent had a problem since then but pretty bummed out by the qc

[tulip topaz]

got it yeah makes sense. did it come with any extras or you just swapped that key to another set

[uneven zealot]

i havent tried the stock spacebars but ive seen reviews saying the spacebar is too heavy for some light switches so i bought artisans ahead of time

[uneven zealot]

it came with extras but i swapped it for another key for now since im trying to figure out if its the switch or the keycap

[spark ivy]

They work for the 2he as well?

Those look really sick by the way

[placid blaze]

do NOT under any circumstances buy cerakeys if you wish to maintain your sanity

they will genuinely damage your switches

[elder trout]

What happened with cerakeys?

Oh thank goodness i didn't get them

[placid blaze]

gimme a sec I'll show you

[elder trout]

Let's see

[placid blaze]

These are my aluminium keycaps I got

after using cerakeys

as you can see my ctrl switch is f***ed and keycaps don't fit on it tightly any more

and these are all my Cerakey vids...

they suck

so bad

before using cerakeys the stock Wooting had 0 issues

keycaps fit tightly

[elder trout]

THE LAST VIDEO IS PAIN

[placid blaze]

yeah, do not buy cerakeys

[elder trout]

[placid blaze]

I absolutely love the feel, love the material

I wouldn't even mind if they just fit badly

but they genuinely messed up some of my switches

[hollow anchor]

ty, they should work on the 2HE yes, you can buy keycaps from xvx in different amounts, i bought a kit that had 144 keys so enough options for a 60% keyboard and full sized ones.

[placid blaze]

oh and the advice that the Cerakey team gave me was to use tape so the keycaps fit tighter...

[elder trout]

WTF!!!!!

[placid blaze]

ironically the tape would also have prevented their inevitable destruction of my switches

[elder trout]

I left the server a long time ago lol

Looks like you have to have 2 sets of switches

[spark ivy]

Thanks! I’m really looking forward to seeing what I can do mod wise. I’ve always been interested in all this, so now I have toy to play with 😂

[placid blaze]

like long-term if I was using Cerakeys (I got them in Dec) by now I'm guessing most of my switches would be unable to support any keycaps lmao

[hollow anchor]

that last video was painfull lol

[placid blaze]

luckily I took them off after a month of trying

[elder trout]

One for cerakeys and one for other keycap sets

@hollow anchor it was pretty hard to watch

[placid blaze]

yeah, I keep seeing Cerakey vids and ppl saying they're amazing but their QC is terrible

[elder trout]

Oh my

[placid blaze]

maybe they've improved a ton but the most they offered me was a refund

despite messing up some of my switches

[elder trout]

Pain

[placid blaze]

I wouldn't discount ceramic as a whole, I do think it's an amazing material but the fitment is bad and if they literally wear down your stems it's just an L

[elder trout]

That really sucks because they ain't cheap

[placid blaze]

that being said, aluminium 🔛 🔝

https://metalkeyboards.no

[elder trout]

Have you tried them?

[placid blaze]

I have them on right now

[tiny cape]

You seem to have the light ones. Are they more white or silver, and how shiny?

[placid blaze]

more silver, not shiny.

they feel and look smooth, but they're surprisingly grippy

[placid blaze]

I sent a vid earlier of how the ctrl keycap doesn't fit properly because cerakeys messed up my switches

[elder trout]

I'd like blank ones :3

Still painful to watch lol

[placid blaze]

luckily the aluminium ones are super tight compared to even an average keycap so it's not a major issue

but yeah, if you guys have the budget and are looking for premium non-plastic keyboard materials go for aluminium

I've tried ceramic and aluminium and it's not even close

[elder trout]

You mean alu keys are better than ceramic keys?

[placid blaze]

they're so beautiful, tons of pics on their Disc server

yup 100% better

they have their own custom profile too so they feel really satisfying to type on

[elder trout]

Nice I'll skip cera keys for sure then

I'd like the alu keys to have a blank version tho

Then I'll get them

[placid blaze]

they have blanks too

here's a pic of someone else's

(not a Wooting btw I haven't seen any pics of Wootings with these keycaps outside of mine)

[elder trout]

What are these Home Row Style and Markings?

[placid blaze]

so for the 60HE you want a base kit and a space row addon

home row style is asking if you want notches on F and J keys

[elder trout]

@marble shuttle look at those aluminum keys

[placid blaze]

and the markings are the legends, so blanks = no legends

[elder trout]

AHA

[tiny cape]

I'd love to get them, but they are quite expensive and I can't decide which color. I'm afraid the light ones are too grey for my liking

[marble shuttle]

@elder trout lol

[placid blaze]

in addons -> space row you want type 1

[marble shuttle]

@elder trout I imagined the custom taxes

[elder trout]

HAHAHAHAHAHA @marble shuttle

[placid blaze]

Mr. Metalkeyboard is working on coloured ones

I'm getting an orange set :3

[marble shuttle]

@elder trout probably will cost like 240hz oled asus monitör

[elder trout]

Why don't they just have a 60% layout it's popular

@marble shuttle true lmaooooo

[placid blaze]

I think because there's so many different spacebar row setups

but for the 60HE it's just base kit + spacebar row type 1

[elder trout]

Is the spacebar in the base kit too long for 60he?

[placid blaze]

base kit doesn't come with spacebars etc, just the alphanumerical keys

and like

[],./;'

like it comes with the top 4 rows basically

[elder trout]

Oh that's dumb

I see

[placid blaze]

hey u gotta talk to the owner about that I'm just doing some impromptu marketing

[elder trout]

Hahaha

Yeah I'm saying they're dumb not you

[placid blaze]

their Discord is https://discord.com/invite/dS4grvq

there's a #color-box channel in there for stuff regarding getting coloured caps @tiny cape

[elder trout]

WHAT IS A $10,000 SPACEBAR SET LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[placid blaze]

idek I think he just threw it in for the memes

[elder trout]

HAHAHAHA

[placid blaze]

he's a funny guy LOL

[elder trout]

Seems like it 😂

[marble shuttle]

bro what

[placid blaze]

if you are interested in copping def msg him or msg the server, I cannot recommend them enough

maybe it's just because I had such a garbage experience with Cerakey but in comparison these caps are Godsent

[elder trout]

How much heavier are they compared to normal PBT keys?

[placid blaze]

honestly they don't feel so heavy

only the spacebar was noticeably heavy

even then it's totally usable

[pine tusk]

hmm def interested in this as well looks cool

[elder trout]

I can't join their server :/

I'll try tomorrow

Invite expired

@placid blaze where can i get the ctrl + win + alt + menu + fn keys? The ANSI keys don't include them? Or am I blind?

I don't see them in the add-ons either

Ohhhh they're in the spacebar set

Got it

[placid blaze]

yeah, so spacebar set and it's type 1

[placid blaze]

weird, try this one https://discord.gg/eNj7UUnQ

[elder trout]

I still can't idk why

It's okay I'll try later

[placid blaze]

yeah that's odd ngl but for sure I'd say the best way to get info r.e. the kits, colour options etc. is worth getting from Metal himself

[elder trout]

@marble shuttle if i get klippe t + alu keys, my wooting 60he would have a grand total of $900 including import taxes HAHAHAHA

What is life

[marble shuttle]

@elder trout oh man this taxes going to kill us

literally if paid that shit my mother will kill me

[elder trout]

HAHAHAHA

That would be my father for me, that's why I don't tell him anything :p

But he's more chill now

If he could have it his way, I would never buy anything

Control freak

But i think this would be my endgame build

That's it I'm done HAHA

[marble shuttle]

my mother can see all payments I have to cancel that 😄

[elder trout]

$900 and I'm good

My father used to monitor my spendings too and it was ridiculous

But now he's more chill

@marble shuttle but it's still better to purchase yourself and pay import taxes. Because if a local vendor imports premium products, they take 100% profit. Like finalmouse and angrymiao are double the price sold by local vendors

I was lucky to get my fm tenz at MSRP second hand

[trim token]

Hello I have a question. If I want to change the springs in the switches do I need to buy the springs that are on the wooting website or can I just switch out the springs with the ones from my steelseries apex 9 mini?

[shell geode]

Crap. I'm waiting on my order. Hopefully they improved by now, but thanks for the heads up I may test them on an old switch before trying them on the Lekkers

[obsidian dagger]

they are differently sized and need to be non magnetic.

[versed pivot]

Highly doubt it since the apex uses optical switches with a smaller stem aaand more important: likely magnetic springs that interfere with the lekker hall sensor

[placid blaze]

I mean if you just aPpLy tApE then they may not destroy your keycaps

I was an Indiegogo backer and received mine in Dec, they've had half a year to change up and improve but my experience was genuinely awful

[fickle vector]

What is the lube that's on the 60HE stabs from the factory?

Is it the same molykote lube as in the kit?

[left patrol]

https://kbdfans.com/products/tofu60-redux-case

Tofu60 v1 is back bitchesss

[still vortex]

thanks for sharing ❤️

[left patrol]

Its from the wooting sub on reddit

[untold wigeon]

Surely they didn’t start production again because of the wooting

[fickle vector]

Probably did lmao

[untold wigeon]

Fr

[fickle vector]

The demand is high

[untold wigeon]

Exactly, it seems almost tooo coincidental

I’m not complaining

[still vortex]

most likely, the current 'waitlist' for the v1 is like 800+ ppl

[fickle vector]

watch it grow over the next few days and weeks

[untold wigeon]

Yea when I saw it I was almost certain that was the reason

[gentle silo]

sheesh, internal weigth, removable standoffs, this is a dream for the wooting lol, maybe the tray mount market willl have some competition

[left patrol]

How many people here did bother with custom keebs before getting their wooting

I for sure didn’t

[junior meadow]

Isnt the Klippe t just a much better version then the tofu 60? or was that all copium for the tofu 60 being "discontinued"

[still vortex]

If you scroll down, they have a video about razer copying wooting? HAHA

[gentle silo]

i also see mounting posts for an oring mount there

[untold wigeon]

Idk I think tofu is just a solid option

[gentle silo]

not really they are basicallly the same

[left patrol]

I dont know about the klippe t, but i am not willing to pay 250€ for a case

[untold wigeon]

Also the tofu was a mainstream case before all of that

[gentle silo]

yess, they even replaced the horrible tofu stock feet

[velvet shuttle]

whats the tofu priced?

[gentle silo]

old one was roud about 100 i think, imma guess this one will ber 120

[untold wigeon]

I bought my original one for 116$

[still vortex]

Oh i thought it was about 8x usd

[untold wigeon]

Maybe 120-150$ max

[velvet shuttle]

oof, probably gonna be a lot more if u live in europe right?

[still vortex]

VAT T.T

[left patrol]

Maybe we should start a group buy to save on the shipping

[gentle silo]

nah 150 would be to close to the v2, id say 140 max

[velvet shuttle]

where is kbdfans based? if its america its gg cause of shipment costs

[still vortex]

yea from usa

oh you are from the same group as mine daniel 😄

[velvet shuttle]

yes my keyb is getting shipped rn, arrived at DHL 🙏

[untold wigeon]

Original tofu didn’t have the brass weight and it was already 120$, I would say it would be closer to 140

[still vortex]

niceee

[gentle silo]

they are based in china, aliexpress shipping from them is like 4$

[velvet shuttle]

thats so much for a case im too poor for this hobby

[still vortex]

Its much more affordable now

[untold wigeon]

I might suggest keycult? As an alternative?

[velvet shuttle]

nahh im like whenever i do stuff like this it has to be something rlly good

cant go half way man

[untold wigeon]

Yea thn a keycult case would be perfect

[junior meadow]

@velvet shuttle im the same way, im telling myself i do not need the Fjell but all i want is the Fjell lmfao

[gentle silo]

so true, when i got in, it was way more expensive, and way less in stock/resources available

[untold wigeon]

In all seriousness I would never pay that much

[untold wigeon]

Agreed

Also the options were limited

[gentle silo]

salvation looking at you

[velvet shuttle]

i was looking into keyboard modding and stuff like a year ago and from what ive seen its been SUPER BAD for europeans especially.

especially if u look for ISO layouts

[still vortex]

Wait till you see brazil based ppl

[velvet shuttle]

[gentle silo]

its been fine actually. sure alot of stuff doesnt ship here, but alot of shops have startet to buy stuff up and resellll them here for a small premium

[velvet shuttle]

i think brazil ppl have other problems

[gentle silo]

iso as is, isnt that bad, but if you want a country specific one its game over or -200$

[still vortex]

I will move out of eu in 1year+

Maybe i should hold out until then 😄

[velvet shuttle]

yea to be honest i kinda wanna go from german to uk iso but then i have a german iso at work and on my laptop still, i dont think i wanna do that

imagining all the i am unable to place

or y and z

[gentle silo]

did that literally a week ago, the y and z swap still fuck me up

[still vortex]

is uk = ascii ?

[gentle silo]

thats way easier actually

[velvet shuttle]

i think uk is almost the same as us ansi but with big enter and some other sizes?

[gentle silo]

big enter and 1 extra key

[velvet shuttle]

yes but imagine i code at home with it and then go to work with the shit german keyboard

[gentle silo]

yea, that fucked, it currently like that for me lol

[velvet shuttle]

i think i will just wait for ansi us/uk iso until I have an international job

[left patrol]

Lifes to short to use shitty keebs or mouse for work

[gentle silo]

gotta ask your boss for an ansi/uk keyboard loll

[velvet shuttle]

i dont have the balls to whip out my customized wooting at work im sorry

[still vortex]

my work gives me an ascii qwerty , im glad they have them 😄

[left patrol]

I changed my workplace and had some cheap Logitech mouse and keyboard

Brought in my own the next day

[gentle silo]

Gmk devoted or monarch? What do you guys think

[left patrol]

Why though?

I use my g810 at work

[still vortex]

devote personally

easier to match 😄

[velvet shuttle]

well actually theres no big reasoning, it would be annoying to take it with me tho cause id use it both at home and work, just too much hassle for me and using my old keyboard will be impossible with the amount of sound it produces (razer blackwidow 2014 ultimate tournament with CLICKY SWITCHES, CLICK)

[gentle silo]

when i start my new job in a few weeks ill definetly build a cheap custom with silent switches and stuff and just use that

[velvet shuttle]

actually i kinda didnt consider just getting a keyboard with uk iso/us ansi for work

[grizzled path]

I got too much attention when I brought my 60he to the office. after that I stopped going there, again

[still vortex]

i def need a full size for coding. i admire ppl that can use anything smaller

[velvet shuttle]

but hey i can always swap to uk iso!

[left patrol]

You should

[velvet shuttle]

that would annoy me too yea

[left patrol]

Or maybe a keychron?

[gentle silo]

98% is goated, full size is dog

[grizzled path]

I mean everybody just wanted to touch check it out

[velvet shuttle]

to be honest i dont use f keys a lot when i code.. except for f5 i guess?

[grizzled path]

I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE I ACTUALLY LIKED IT

[still vortex]

actually fk the insert key HAHA

[still vortex]

run, step over, step in 😄

[velvet shuttle]

hmm yea i guess, i do more web developing so i dont do that a lot

but cant u just use fn + num instead?

[left patrol]

Yes you can

And you can also build your own layers

[grizzled path]

modtap hold caps to fn, pretty easy to reach anything with just one hand

[left patrol]

So basically change any key as you like

[velvet shuttle]

Yea so right now i dont see a lot of downsights for 60% except for maybe arrow keys, but one rarely uses them and my beloved print and del key

but then again, just bind it to something i guess.

[grizzled path]

modtap again, tap the right lower corner keys to get arrows :e

[velvet shuttle]

lets say u play some game that needs wasd and arrow keys tho, wouldnt that mean i would have to bind wasd to wasd on the fn layer?

[grizzled path]

I had a tkl before so my muscle memory hovered my hand over to nothingness when searching for the arrow keys, after a few hours it was intuitive

[grizzled path]

yeah correct, toggle to fn layer where you have another set of wasd on wasd (or I guess you could put them wherever you like) and arrows on the right low corner, or somewhere else if preferred

pretty easy to just save a new profile for such a game

[velvet shuttle]

i see, yea then it should be pretty fine after getting used to it

[grizzled path]

or just rebind the keys to arrows on layer one for such a profile

[velvet shuttle]

im honestly hyped for all the space i gain from cutting my keyboard by 40%

maybe i'll stop hitting my keyboard in fps games

[grizzled path]

haha it will probably help

I still do it sometimes, and I tilt my keyboard like 70 degrees

[velvet shuttle]

i just put my keyb all the way to the left to avoid that 😅

but after a while it shifts to the right and then it happens

[grizzled path]

something like that, with tkl I used to have a bigger wingspan if we calculate the distance between my wasd-hand and mouse-hand, now the whole package is a bit tighter but there's still some more room I guess

[dense snow]

did you end up doing this

[gentle silo]

just got home, but thanks for the reminder

[dense snow]

ah okay gotcha

[gentle silo]

lol, the magnets in the switches knock them over when i line them up XD

[dense snow]

you can add some space between them i guess

them

this is about as close as i can get te

and then again you could just use a caliper

are calipers accurate down to a hundredth of a mm?

[gentle silo]

currently writing the stuff down as ive done a bit more

[gentle silo]

mine arent sadly only .00

OK everybody here are the results of my investigation about switch films:

Q: doe the switches get bigger/taller?

A: Yes, ive measured 4 filmed switches and 2 unfilmed switches, and the result was everytime the same, the unfilmed switch was always 0.1mm smaller. I sadly cant get you you the exact number as my calipers arent that fine.

For measuring ive measured at the middle oft he switch with the stem pressed down.
Wuque: 111mm
aliexpress films: 111mm
Stock: 110mm

Q: does it effect the sound?

A: yes it does, listen for yourself.

[dense snow]

is it by 0.1mm or 0.01mm?

[gentle silo]

0.01

[dense snow]

in the picture, of the three switches, which is which?

[gentle silo]

ah mb, 1st wuque, second tx-ish and 3 stock

[dense snow]

it's a bit hard to tell from the picture representation since the angle makes it look like the second two are significantly taller than the first one

but i didn't expect the difference to be that minimal

0.01mm is pretty negligible imo

i wonder if that's just attributed to normal switch tolerances?

[gentle silo]

indeed

[dense snow]

it could be that unfilmed switches also differ from one another

would just have to discover that by repetition

[gentle silo]

dont think so, ive just now measured the films themself and they are exactly at the 0.01 mark

[dense snow]

but they are supposed to be 0.15mm?

[gentle silo]

yea thats the same. i just relized ive given my measurement in cm not mm lol

my capliers only got down to a 10th of a mm, and the swithc fimls are 0.15mm thats a tenth

[dense snow]

so what is the actual difference?

[gentle silo]

0.1mm + the part my calpiers cant measure. (if you take compression into accoutnm id say 0.12-0.13mm, thats just a guess tho)

or on the cm scale 0.01

[dense snow]

i wonder why it would seem that for a regular switch filming them wouldn't really make a difference

but for lekkers they do

i guess it's because there's no good fitting films for them

even for the wuque

[haughty scarab]

yall think this case would fit the 60he? https://www.newegg.com/p/2S7-07JP-1NP99?item=9SIB1A6HXS3393&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-gadgets-_-graviton-_-9SIB1A6HXS3393&utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googleadwords-_-gadgets-_-graviton-_-9SIB1A6HXS3393&source=region&srsltid=AR57-fCfs19bgy-lbWakNKJaCBTJQkYEW5tFLv4CsZ57UhTp4Jxqud2ZmoI&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e