🔧│keyboard_modding

[iron jacinth]

I assume waiting time may be a month or so? However, I'd be very curious to hear what it would sound like. Do you think you could share some impressions once you got it?

[river reef]

I already have it, got a e white off someone in nz secondhand market, but i sent it to anodise it black

[iron jacinth]

Ah, so it is gone for a while

[river reef]

The sound profile is really close to my baldr60

Im getting it back next monday

What my wooting looks like rn

Bought the fjell for 300nzd and 80 for anodising

Still cheaper than 367usd

[thick mural]

really wish i checked the list of cases before i bought the kbdfans 5 degree case, having to move it to the left is playing with my ocd

[river reef]

Yea i sold my tofu60 cos of that

[thick mural]

might just get the mojo60 since it's the only case i can find that looks to have no issues and is available in the uk

[river reef]

Psd60 and re version also works fine

Mojo60 is a bit expensive

[thick mural]

yeah i thought about the psd60 also but i don't really like how it looks

[river reef]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtQPYe4

This should also work

Idk just feel like mojo60 isnt worth the money

[thick mural]

i wonder if the maze64 is coming in stock anytime soon

also thanks for that, i'll take a look

[unreal bear]

this looks pretty good

better looking than my psd60 at least

[thick mural]

does the Klippe T have any issues? saw a few posts on it and it does look pretty decent but it's a bit on the pricier side

[unreal bear]

most of the people who have it said that theres been no issues. at least when it comes to fit

[unreal bear]

omg the red case look fire. a much deeper red than ive seen on others.

[thick mural]

why does case swapping have to be so complicated 🥲

[unreal bear]

i find tuning stabilizers to be the hardest part of the whole process

[thick mural]

yeah i managed to get my durock stabs pretty good

used precut poron strips for my holee mod

[edgy nexus]

Is it possible to put foam between the plate and the PCB?

[bronze grove]

On the 60? Already there.

[edgy nexus]

Nice

[edgy nexus]

Anders be the goat frl

[craggy lotus]

Hey guys, I got my wooting a couple weeks ago, changed the case, lubbed the switches and o-ring mod. It feels and sounds great, but if you listen closely to the video you can notice that the number row sounds a lot deeper than the other keys in the middle (I noticed the bottom row also has a deeper sound), what do you guys think is causing this? This was my first experience of modding a keyboard, I'm new to this.

[faint jolt]

its normal

there are some things you can do... im not completely sure but one thing that affects it is the mounting

it could also be the keycaps, the number row is longer

so, it produces a deeper tone

[craggy lotus]

These are OEM if I remember correctly

Alright, thank you for the help :)

[faint jolt]

you can try burger mounting the keeb

[stray tiger]

As qiko said, the higher profile cap of the number row creates a deeper sound. Also, due to this being a plate mount board, its not uncommon to hear tonal differences around the mounting points.

[royal dragon]

✅ Keycaps
✅ Switches Lubbed
⬜ Waiting on FB60 case.

[normal schooner]

orginal case>fb60

[stray tiger]

Im digging these o-rings. They are not only abrasion resistant but also resisitant. Plus they allow me to Do Home Fix Easy Way

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-kevin-words-gif-5865940

[shell geode]

Why is that?

[fickle bronze]

hello, I need help, my wooting 60he just arrived and I went to download its software and it doesn't turn on anymore

[static tendon]

Re-pasting for additional feedback

Does anyone have a preference over the Posidon60 vs freebird60?

Looks like the freebird60 can only fit 3 out of the 4 screws, might sway me away for that reason

Freebird60 - $78
Poseidon PSD60 - $59.80

Freebird60 - https://keebsforall.com/products/gb-freebird60-case-only?variant=40272334684318
Poseidon PSD60 - https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801297436744.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.23.32ee5fa7SVhhSn&algo_pvid=3c297136-73f2-4717-94e5-9e84b7a17bb6&algo_exp_id=3c297136-73f2-4717-94e5-9e84b7a17bb6-11&pdp_npi=3%40dis!USD!59.8!59.8!!!!!%40211be17616810021403952153d07b0!12000016293856925!sea!US!0&curPageLogUid=eXNw3LF9HlxZ

[normal schooner]

3 is enough imo its not like your keyboard is going for a jog

but im not a wooting engineer

[faint jolt]

can’t wait to put my wooting in my blade60

[quiet bay]

did u connect the keyboard to the software

[raven cave]

Here's my Wooting 60HE with XMI keycaps (L9 beige material colour with deep red legends and grey cadet sublegends). They're thick dyesub PBT caps in Cherry profile. I'm considering putting some mint mods on there, 9009 style, but I can't quite make my mind up.

I tried the stock Wooting PBT caps, and while they're not bad, the OEM profile was a bit taller than I'm used to, and I prefer solid legends rather than shine-through.

The surface of the Wooting PBT caps is interesting; it's quite coarse and grippy. The XMI ones are a lot smoother. Maybe too smooth, almost like there's just a thin layer of flour or dust on an otherwise completely smooth surface. I much prefer the feel of Leopold and especially Varmilo PBT keycaps, but with XMI you get a huge selection of languages, sublegends, and colours to choose from, so I still recommend them. The dyesub quality is quite good. I find the legends sharper than on ePBT, for example.

I'm giving the stock case a chance first, to see how I like it, but I feel an aluminium case looming in my future.

[tall hollow]

Looks nice!

[elder hollow]

How does GH60 compare to tofu60? Feeling like switching from white tofu to black but since tofu is discontinued I need to find alternatives 😅

I guess psd60 would also do the job, hmm

[stray tiger]

Which case is the GH60 @elder hollow ?

[iron bear]

Probably this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32540926035.html

[iron bear]

#💬│general message The typing angle is quite different. It's very flat if ones not using the feet

[royal dragon]

Anyone have a picture using the PSD60?

[iron bear]

Here is one https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1092528464273363057

[static tendon]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801297436744.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.23.32ee5fa7SVhhSn&algo_pvid=3c297136-73f2-4717-94e5-9e84b7a17bb6&algo_exp_id=3c297136-73f2-4717-94e5-9e84b7a17bb6-11&pdp_npi=3%40dis!USD!59.8!59.8!!!!!%40211be17616810021403952153d07b0!12000016293856925!sea!US!0&curPageLogUid=eXNw3LF9HlxZ

I'd say to check out these customer reviews, here is an example of a nice build with the PSD60

[somber scroll]

What thickness of heat shrink do I use for stab wires?

[iron bear]

1.5mm~ maybe? here's a link to some https://keygem.com/products/keygem-stab-shrinks-20pcs

But just using Molykote or Dielectric grease & even Krytox 205G0 works good enough without needing to use those Shrinks, but it's just up to preference 🙂

[tall hollow]

Heat shrink insulation on stab wires!!??

[somber scroll]

Oh that’s funny that they make them specifically for stabs. Makes sense I guess haha
Yeah I’m going to molykote them for sure

Lol yeah. It’s like holee but goes on the wire instead of on the stem

[iron bear]

Yes & there's better ways to shrink them too than just using the soldering iron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3da8CMV2_M

[tall hollow]

Ig they still classify as “wires” so ig the can be heat shrinked if you were a snob for zero tolerance of any continuity to ground/live.

[shell geode]

Are they any different from the typical heat shrink tubing you can find in your hardware store?

[somber scroll]

Doubt it. Just precut and the right diameter

[tall hollow]

Other than the color, most definitely not

[shell geode]

If you go for it, let us know how it goes

[somber scroll]

Will do. Probably will just get some normal stuff at the store. I got some on Amazon but the smallest is definitely too big whoops

[elder hollow]

The one from AliExpress yeah

[elder hollow]

I see, thanks for the photo! Think I'll rather go with Poseidon if I decide to change the case soln

[stray tiger]

Ahh the low profile case. I think you can get them from Amazon too. Completely different from the Poseidon

[elder hollow]

Way different. I prefer something like tofu

I hate how they discontinued them

[iron bear]

The ones from Mekanisk are the nicest though (IMO.) like the Fjell

[elder hollow]

A bit too fancy for my taste

[iron bear]

They got the Klippe T which is kinda like the Tofu

[elder hollow]

If they had an EU retailer I might consider it

[iron bear]

They're from Norway

[elder hollow]

Really I guess I didn't look well enough

[zinc scroll]

Shipping is still expensive af lol 😅

[elder hollow]

Yeah I can just find the page with US pricing?

[iron bear]

''Thread'' about Mekanisk #archived_keebs_talk message

[zinc scroll]

Same

[iron bear]

Yeah the pricing is in $

[elder hollow]

Weird

[iron bear]

https://mekanisk.com/pages/vat-included-for-eu-and-uk Here's some info about the shipping

[normal schooner]

i have a fjell ama

total cost to eu country was 420 usd

taxes and shipping was not included

[quiet bay]

christ

I just went for the klippe because I liked the look of it and it was more affordable

[somber scroll]

Hand lubing definitely makes a difference

Hand lubed

Factory lubed

[thick mural]

don't suppose anyone knows if the maze64 has restocks?

[faint jolt]

i was owndering if filming the switches make ad iff

[mental hemlock]

better bideo please

[unreal bear]

none exists at the moment

[somber scroll]

If you have super loose top housings it definitely can but otherwise probably not much point

[quiet bay]

yes reduces the wobble in the lekker switches

[placid blaze]

what films is everyone using?

[placid blaze]

does anybody not have super loose housing 😭

[quiet bay]

all lekker switches are wobbly asf

[faint jolt]

perfect. got some films

[zinc scroll]

Does it matter what kind of films u use? Like is there a difference in between them? Never used films before

[faint jolt]

not really

[zinc scroll]

Fair enough
Might give it a shot

[somber scroll]

If you get ones that have an inner bar you gotta cut that

The ones that are basically just a rectangle work better. They don’t quite fit the lekkers but the rectangles just deform a bit and are fine

[zinc scroll]

Will keep that in mind, thanks for the tip!

[glad nexus]

Dunno if anyone posted before but someone wanted to know if the cerakeys cermaic keycaps worked and yes they do. Found I didnt need to rotate any switches, but the space bar return is def a little slower. However it does return fully allowing you to set sensitivity up to 0.1mm just fine

With the LEDs off

[quiet bay]

U got a sound test? 👀

[shell geode]

Second on that sound test

[glad nexus]

@quiet bay @shell geode
Sound test on an otherwise unmodded Wooting keyboard with Ceramic keycaps
Recorded on a Blue Yeti

[shell geode]

Wow, it's really got that poppy sound

[wet yarrow]

Which keycaps

[glad nexus]

Cerakeys ceramic keycaps

[faint jolt]

its sounds so mushy

not bad for stock though

[tranquil flax]

I waiting on my cerakeys

[junior glen]

Spent $400 on this keyboard...worth

[storm meteor]

I’m mass lubing and filming all my lekker switches but the films don’t arrive until Monday - getting .15 mm —- does anyone know if I put the magnet stems in a bag together if it will mess them up? They keep snapping together so I have to space them super wide but don’t have enough room

Also anyone know if tape mod interferes at all?

Like is it bad if this happens

[bronze grove]

Not really. Just gets lube everywhere when you have to peel them apart from each other again.

[woven reef]

[bronze grove]

This is why I did 5 switches at a time when lubing. Because any more and my little desk would mean I'd put them too close and make them all chase each other

[storm meteor]

Thank you!!! Hahaha haven’t started lubing them yet because of this- just wanted to make sure I wasn’t going to make the keyboard inoperable if they stayed stuck together for a couple days XD thanks!!!

[iron bear]

I'm from Finland and this is what it says for me? Fjell 60% case

[static tendon]

What case is that? Poseidon60?

[iron bear]

@static tendon If you're looking for some PSD60 case swaps here are two
#🔧│keyboard_modding message

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1092528464273363057

[static tendon]

Any idea where I can locate this livestream?

@glacial wind this design doesn’t appear to have a center stand off as well

[iron bear]

Their latest, starts at around 01:30 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1787135316

[glacial wind]

Oh very cool.

Honestly at the rate fb60 takes per restock I wouldn’t be surprised if wooting released their case before the follow up freebird batch is in stock

[static tendon]

Thank you

[static tendon]

Hmm perhaps I should just hold off on my purchases til then. I’ll get what I can but hold off on the case. I noticed the wooting prototype has 5 stand offs with one being bottom right, the Freebird60 doesn’t have that. But that’s good to know. Super helpful to paint a picture of how it’ll look. I assume they’ll keep all the same stand offs as well as the prototype shows

[static tendon]

Freebird is supposed to restock in early May I was told

[iron bear]

And center standoffs might or might not be a problem but that is often stated in the Case Compatibility chart. What Tirade says here #996573707235491950 message

[glacial wind]

That restock is all sold already

You’ll be trying to pick up any extras if they do have them which no guarantee they will

[tawny summit]

hey, i'm pretty new to custom keyboards and had a question. I've been researching the various mods. but i've found very differing opinions on putting o-rings inside keycaps to reduce the sound of bottoming out a key. is this something worth doing and does it somehow interfere with the performance/feel of the keyboard (reducing the analog range).

[glacial wind]

i haven't seen anyone who's done it to have problems there, but they also don't really change all that much honestly - at least no where near what a proper gasket mount board would have

was nicer to just have the wooting with cosmetic mods for gaming and a separate custom keyboard with f keys, gasket mount etc for work

[iron bear]

Well the O-rings change the travel distance of the key and it feels wierd but as with everything would give it some time to readjust to this new feeling, if you have some laying around might just try it on some but it would probably interfere with the Lekker switch

[static tendon]

Thanks J, look like Tirade was just mentioning that the wooting PCB uses the gh60/dz60 layout design with the standard stand offs. Freebird60 has all of those except 2 of them, it’s purpose to to help it not feel as harsh when bottoming out keys. But looks like Sno was able to make it all work from our previous conversations

[static tendon]

I reached out to them directly but they said it should restock around may. I don’t think they would completely stop their production on the case but honestly after seeing KBDfans do it to the Tofu, who knows

[glacial wind]

restock means when it arrives, but it's been presold

then they order next group buy batch

the may arrival is the group buy from like january or so

[iron bear]

https://keebsforall.com/products/freebird60?variant=40287604310174 ''This is a Pre-Order product. It will ship in late April/May 2023.'' So would one go into the next batch then?

[glacial wind]

yeah next batch would be another 4 months or whatever

[static tendon]

Sounds like you’re talking about O rings, don’t do it. Makes it feel more mushy. People did it in the past more frequently to try to avoid the loud keyboard presses when streaming or just talking. With AI/noise suppression/noise gates this isn’t really a problem anymore. O rings would also interfere with the lekkar switch due to its “controller” like design

[static tendon]

Oh wow, you really think so?

[glacial wind]

that's how long it takes for a lot of group buys

[static tendon]

Hmm, in that case maybe I should drop the cash on the Poseidon60

[glacial wind]

like i said there's a chance they'll have leftover extras from the incoming batch, but there's also no guarantee of that

[static tendon]

I thought they would just restock, then ship it within a week so I’d expect it around may 15 or so

Ah I see. Hmm, I’ll have to think about that

@glacial wind I guess I may ask again but what are your thoughts on the Poseidon60? Anything you don’t particularly like? I think you mentioned typing angle? In case I end up going for it

[glacial wind]

i think it's good, the only downside of it is the logo on the back of it (but you won't see that in daily use)

it's basically a tofu with a logo on the back

[static tendon]

Ah alright. Perfect. I appreciate the feedback once again

Also Sno, you don’t by any chance work for wooting or anything right? Your replies are very consistent

[glacial wind]

nah just been around awhile

[static tendon]

Haha gotcha, love the help, it’s always appreciated

[bronze grove]

The folks with purple or red names are Wooting staff. 😁

Orange are volunteers who help with moderation and sometimes customer support.

[static tendon]

Ah I see, good to know

[glad nexus]

Out of curiosity is there a stronger spring that'll work for the wooting keyboards? I think I would like one just for this ceramic spacebar. The weight def makes it feel a tad too easy to depress

[unreal bear]

Changed my keycaps because I didn't like how the previous one sounded.

[untold wigeon]

Aliexpress coiled cable are good ? Some1 tested?

[glacial wind]

depends on vendor, some good, some bad - it's a giant site of companies

[bronze grove]

It's like Amazon. Always a gamble if you don't know the seller.

No quality control on vendors.

[warm iris]

the most amazon vendors buying the cables on Ali anyways

[glacial wind]

if you want a decent quality cheap coiled cable i'd go for a reputable keyboard vendor, or cablemods sells $30 coiled cables too on amazon - but it has same issue as other long coiled cables with not enough power at max brightness

[haughty delta]

Mine is a Tofu60

[untold wigeon]

Problem is the cost of delivery.. i bought 1 from aliexpress hope it will be good , had over 3k orders and good reviews only

[untold wigeon]

Its 1.8m yeah i know i will need to lower the brightness a bit but no prob

Now i want to spray paint the 60he to white cuz i rly like the original case and some1 already spray painted in white and was so nice

[woven mauve]

• Lubed switch & stabilizer
• Monokei Series 1 WOB Keycaps
• Custom LEMO Cable

I'm still looking for an aluminum case, but I can't seem to find any, especially the Tofu 60. 🥲

[pliant dust]

how do I get the screws on the back off? none of them budge

[bronze grove]

The...back?

[pliant dust]

in the wooting video they say to unscrew the back no?

[bronze grove]

What product? Photo?

I need a bit of context

[pliant dust]

https://youtu.be/WN_-GYLTfpY?t=173

[somber scroll]

They’re… glued? You have the 60HE? They shouldn’t look glued at all lol

[pliant dust]

i dont mean that they are glued, they just dont budge

maybe im just too careful bc im scared to damage it

[somber scroll]

Hmm yeah. If you’re unscrewing then with the right bit they probably need a tiny bit of force initially but then they should come out fine

[pliant dust]

[frail iron]

can confirm that this case works https://mechboards.co.uk/products/high-profile-60-aluminium-case for the wooting he60

is there a spreadsheet to document this?

[somber scroll]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

Idk if the community can modify it or if @bronze grove needs to add it

[frail iron]

can i just contact him?

[pliant dust]

he was in this chat 10min ago

[pliant dust]

yay got them out now

[bronze grove]

Yeah I need to adjust it. Well usually me or anyone else with access.

[ebon mural]

Just stumbled across this one on amazon too. random alibaba white-label product.

do you have any photos of it assembled with the wooting? would love to buy it too

[frail iron]

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oops

@ebon mural one sec i can't get my photos off my phone

forgot i had discord on my phone

[thick mural]

how well does it fit? did you have to mess around with centering it?

[frail iron]

a little but it just falls into place really and that was it

the case is just ever so slightly bigger than the original wooting case

[thick mural]

don't suppose you could send a photo of the usb port?

[frail iron]

oh yeah one sec

[thick mural]

that's perfect, thanks

[frail iron]

np

[thick mural]

i was actually thinking of getting that case before i got the 5 degree

wishing i did now since the 5 degree is some really awkward spacing

[frail iron]

that sucks

[uncut jetty]

anyone here have a nice thocky 60he?

[ebon mural]

awesome, thanks mate! is the typing angle similar to the original case? do you have a side by side from the maybe? thanks so much for taking your time!

[frail iron]

one sec again

pretty much the same typing angle

I also used the foam that came with the original case (you just have to cut a hole in the middle for the centre screw)

[gusty pilot]

I was thinking about doing some modding as I'm waiting on a batch for two keyboards to come in. Does anyone have the measurements of the two EPDM foam inserts?

My batches won't arrive till sometime in probably May but I wasn't sure if anyone could help.

[mental hemlock]

Wait for me to make one

[torn wave]

I was able to snag a Maze64 case on the r/mechmarket subreddit, you might be able to find one there!

[raven cave]

Here's another example of XMI keycaps. This time I went closer to the classic 9009 colourway, but I let Caps Lock and Meta/Fn keep their red legends, to indicate their special layer status.

[uncut jetty]

are there any more lists like this https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f for other mods?

[thick mural]

appreciate the tip, gonna look around and see if i can find one, thanks

[arctic yew]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005180862278.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.3564209cwhbYWR&algo_pvid=609762c4-375c-4de0-a59f-5b22aa558ea4&algo_exp_id=609762c4-375c-4de0-a59f-5b22aa558ea4-0&pdp_npi=3%40dis!EUR!129.48!103.58!!!!!%40211bf14716815852235703596d077e!12000031996525729!sea!NL!2246385942&curPageLogUid=wWT976IziSRo

Can confirm that this case works for the wooting\

[mental hemlock]

Tofu copycat garbage

[tall hollow]

Too bad they don’t make the Tofu60 anymore

And the 2.0 has a center usb cutout

[glacial wind]

At least wooting has their version coming

[solid cliff]

So pretty!

[uncut jetty]

everything stock, 3layers of painters tape + lubed switches. recorded with iphone 14, 7cm away from the spacebar.

Im kinda happy with it but I hate the spacebar and backspace sound. Not sure what to do to improve it. I was thinking about new caps and a new case.

[arctic yew]

I wouldve bought the tofu if it was available but it isnt

[faint jolt]

lube your stabs

[uncut jetty]

they are lubed

heavily lol

[shell geode]

PSD60 is in!

[junior glen]

When would you screw in the middle screw?

[static tendon]

Just curious but this case doesn't feel too high up when typing correct?

[static tendon]

Sounds amazing. almost sounds over lubed, do the switches feel the same? No mushy feel or reduced motion of the switch?

[tall hollow]

how heavy did you go on the switches?

mind sending some pics?

[shell geode]

After screwing in each corner just a tad bit, then screwing them all the way in once all of them fit

[shell geode]

Not sure, but I do use a somewhat higher wrist rest

[uncut jetty]

I dont really notice a difference.

[uncut jetty]

pretty thick. I lubed them thinly when I first got the board but it wore off after 4 months of daily use, so I went with a little more this time.

[tall hollow]

Sounds a bit overdone ngl, but if you like it that way then so be it.

[oblique ledge]

Finally back in business.
Tofu 60 acrylic, kuro Shiro caps

[indigo badge]

Quick dumb question, what's the space bar size on the 60he?
Tried googling a bit and I can't find it.

[raven cave]

It's the standard 6.25 u.

[static tendon]

I see, I plan not to use a wrist wrest. Not a fan of them but I was worried about the height of the case compared to my 4 degree case I'm currently using

[wicked hill]

results? 🖤

[shell geode]

Will post later when I have available time to swap cases! 👍

[unreal bear]

sounds pretty good to me. but before changing the case maybe change the stabs first

[void abyss]

Just finished lubing the switches and noticed something on the pcb: Are these really markers for the band aid mod? Damn this is cool xD

[indigo badge]

@raven cave @gusty pilot thank you both!

[shell geode]

@static tendon Next to the Baka60, the PSD60 is definitely lower and the angle isnt as high

[distant crescent]

Did anyone film their switches?
How do i have to change my films to make them fit?

[somber scroll]

People have. They need to just be the outer rectangle part. If you have any pieces that go thru the middle they need to be clipped off. No switches perfectly fit lekkers so they will deform (and thus won’t fit with a cross bar)

[distant crescent]

so i just have to cut off the cross bar?

[somber scroll]

If there is one. Some are just the outer rectangle

[distant crescent]

alright ! thanks for answering 🙂

[somber scroll]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

See here as well (hard to see cuz it’s clear but the crossbar is snipped) @distant crescent

[distant crescent]

I can see it 🙂 thanks 😄

[somber scroll]

@untold wigeon can you send a comparison of the wood case you have compared to the default? I’m curious on height and angle. The etsy listing has no details ☹️

[untold wigeon]

I don't have a sound test of the default but here

[somber scroll]

Just images haha. Not sound

[untold wigeon]

Oh

Lol

Somebody asked for sound test before

Here

[dense snow]

is it true that filming lekker switches will offset the actuation distance offset of the pcb?

[pulsar ridge]

Yup, anything that puts space between the magnet and the HE sensor is going to change it; may or not be noticeable to you though

[untold wigeon]

Good bit taller

[frozen condor]

how heavily did you lube?

[untold wigeon]

I think an average amount

Maybe a bit on the heavier side

[cursive falcon]

does anyone know where to buy an aftermarket case? Most of the ones from KBDfans got discontinued I really wanted to get the Tofu60 or the blade60 but idk where else to look for em

not hard set on those two either, i just miss the heft i had with a metal case

[zinc scroll]

Would it be possible to connect the 60HE to a daughterboard and have the usbc port go to the middle? For example so I could use a Bakaneko 60?

[tall hollow]

if you have the soldering skills, sure.

[shell geode]

If you scroll up, there's others you can shop for. Klippe, PSD60, Baka60, etc

[tall hollow]

but its at your own risk. you break it you buy it.

[zinc scroll]

Sure!

[tall hollow]

this is my personal warning before you continue lol, I really hope you know what you are doing.

[zinc scroll]

Haha, was just asking out of curiousity, don’t know a thing about soldering nor have any equipment to do so xD

[robust falcon]

hello guys !! i want to ask if this keyboard case will be ok for the wooting 60he ? ty ❤️ https://kbdfans.com/collections/case/products/kbdfans-tiger-lite-abs-plastic-case?_pos=3&_fid=3fba6657a&_ss=c

[tall hollow]

no, its TKL, not 60 percent

[robust falcon]

ok thank you do you know if there is a purple transparant case for the 60he ? i can't find one

[stray tiger]

Look for the BBOX60 case @robust falcon and you'll have to do some minor mods but it'll work

[robust falcon]

I just saw but I find it too thick for my taste

i bought thoose keycaps in purple and im looking for a keyboard case like in the screenshot but in purple transparant u see

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=9065 is this one can work ?

[void abyss]

no. the kbd67 is not a 60% keyboard. it's 65%

[dense snow]

i might have underlubed here

https://streamable.com/nl2szj

[mental hemlock]

definitely

[dense snow]

i did consciously refrain from trying to overlube however

as they are 50g springs rather than the stock 60

was afraid the return would be too sluggish

[shell geode]

Although it doesn't feel as dense as the Baka60, I was able to make the PSD60 feel more solid and weighted after putting in the brass plate in the cavity and a layer of Sorbothane. It definitely sounds more thocky/clacky now, which seems difficult with the Lekker switches. Working on the case swap video, will post soon!

[static tendon]

I see, PSD60 is a 6 degree vs a Baka60 being a 6.5 degree typing angle

But compared to a 4 degree case I wonder how much of a difference that would end up being 🤔

[shell geode]

I see! Is 4 your absolute required preference?

[static tendon]

No not exactly, my current case is 4 degrees, wondering how much of a difference that would be side by side with like a 6 degree since I'm considering a PSD60 case. Kinda scared the typing angle might feel too steep?

[shell geode]

I think going from 4 to 9 might be pretty significant, but I feel that 6 is not as noticeable. The angle feels pretty good 👍

[frozen condor]

what case are you using ive been debating on getting either the psd60 or the baka60

[bitter wagon]

hi guys, are there any cheaper aluminum cases for the wooting 60he?

[austere creek]

aluminum and cheap only really work if the quality sucks

youll need to spend 60-70bucks at least id guesstimate

[slim slate]

What's the general opinion on pok3r cases?
I've seen used Pok3rs for under 50 bucks on ebay

[bitter wagon]

then what are some of the cases yall would recommend? other than tofu 60

[somber scroll]

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1185916625/gh60annegk61-1-walnut-woodkeyboard-case?ref=cart&variation0=2528040155
They’re using this one

[bitter wagon]

do you guys think this would be compatible with 60he?http://bitly.ws/D5R5

[brazen thunder]

send the real link and well see

[bitter wagon]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32540926035.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.15.713f59bcJrcft5&algo_pvid=c442db15-e2e8-44fb-83e4-c542650d6b3f&algo_exp_id=c442db15-e2e8-44fb-83e4-c542650d6b3f-7&pdp_npi=3%40dis!SGD!60.97!58.53!54.87!!!!%4021021aa216816535561385828d06d3!66080044434!sea!SG!0&curPageLogUid=sES7m7LjY42q

[craggy kite]

i'm pretty sure this exact board is not only on the list of compatible boards but also in the reviews someone explains that the wooting fits just with small gaps on the sides

[quiet bay]

I already clicked it 😂

it was real though it did send you to the aliexpress case

[bitter wagon]

i shorten it, cos it was too long ahaha

my bad

[quiet bay]

it does look like it'd fit

[bitter wagon]

does the small gaps actually matter?

[craggy kite]

no it can just bother some people

i actually have either this case or a remarkably similar one if you want to see

I'm looking at getting a nicer case but this one does the job and was cheap i just don't like the low profile

[bitter wagon]

sure! that sounds great

[craggy kite]

gap is worse on the right*

but it works and fits no problem

sometimes it takes me a second to get the usbc in because there's a bit too much space but it's better than not enough

[bitter wagon]

wow your keyboard looks great

does it move when you use it?

[craggy kite]

like on my desk or like wobble inside the case?

[bitter wagon]

like wobble inside the case

[edgy nexus]

Are those hyperx pudding keycaps @craggy kite?

[craggy kite]

no as long as its properly secured it shouldnt have any issues - just make sure you put all the screws in without fully tightening them first and then fully tighten them (like you should always do with screws)

[craggy kite]

they are not hyperX - i got them super cheap on amazon i can find a link if youd like

[bitter wagon]

oooh, okay. thank you so much~

[edgy nexus]

Pls

[craggy kite]

https://a.co/d/cwvofSf

i liked these more because they were cheaper than the hyperX pudding keycaps in white plus they also came with black accent keycaps which i wanted to match my "panda" setup (even though im not using them right now)

https://a.co/d/fPrr7rH

ive been thinking about getting a black and white set of these though

[edgy nexus]

Nice thanks

[somber scroll]

FYI for aliexpress links you can delete everything after the ? (And including the ?) and it will still work

[bronze grove]

Yep

The rest is pure tracking cookie.

[iron jacinth]

Damn... that's rough

[arctic yew]

Is the third party case list still being updated? I can confirm the ZT60 case works

• without modification

[bronze grove]

I'd need photos as well.

And links to the case. We've had a case or two that works...until someone screws it in too hard.

[rigid patrol]

I just ordered a fjell 60

I’m making my wooting full thicc*

Right now it’s only lubed at the stem + custom whale pbt keycaps

[brittle yew]

For those who have a case, does it really make that much of a big difference in terms of sound? Or is like lubing it well like 90% of where the nicer thock comes from

[arctic yew]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005180862278.html

didnt really take any other pics before putting it together 😅

[rigid patrol]

Oooo what case is that

[haughty delta]

Anyone have stabilizers they would recommend for the 60HE?

[delicate solstice]

Any mods for the wooting two?

[sinful pelican]

aluminum case sounds very different from the stock case, not really in terms of a thock sense, just a different tinge to the sound

[shell geode]

Durock V2s, but the stock ones are pretty solid. Do yours rattle?

[haughty delta]

Yea, I only lightly lubed them though. I was thinking if I'm going to take the board apart to redo them I might as well get nicer stabs

[thick mural]

has anyone tried anodising the steel plate? thinking of getting mine done in black and was wondering if anyone else had done so

nvm, got mixed up since steel can't be anodised, meant power coating

[edgy nexus]

Someone alr did

[shell geode]

Case swapped from the Baka60 to PSD60!

[thick mural]

what are those strips you put in the housing?

[shell geode]

It's medical tape. It mutes the sound from when the stem hits the top housing after releasing the switch. I tried another method of applying a drop of silicone on where the contact point is, but it comes back sort of mushy, so I just stuck with the tape instead.

[thick mural]

oh nice i didn't think of that i might have to try it out with some poron strips i have

[shell geode]

Yeah try it and let me know how it goes! I'm open to try other ways if it works

[dense snow]

can you demo a sound test?

[tall hollow]

ive seen people put tape on the bottom housing of their switches.

[shell geode]

Do you know which part of the bottom? I'll try it out

[shell geode]

Sure! I'll upload in a bit

[tall hollow]

specifically where the stem hits the bottom housing

where the 2 stem rails are

[grizzled path]

pro editing

[tall hollow]

indeed

[shell geode]

Thanks!

[shell geode]

And I assume that softens the bottoming out? I'll try it with the spare switches

[tall hollow]

Yeah it does, I tried it and it sounds better, but it feels a bit mushy.

[shell geode]

Yeah, I'll have to be wary of that mushy feeling

@dense snow Might have to go back and fix some rattle in the left shift, but the keys sound clacky!

[tall hollow]

Ooh

[shell geode]

https://www.etsy.com/shop/PhamCF This person makes and sells custom resin 60% cases. Their facebook post says it fits Tofu60 and GH60 PCBs, so I'm sure it would fit the 60he

[placid blaze]

@somber scroll I'm going to attempt the gasket maker mod you did in the next few days. In the original write up you did you mentioned that you put the switches together after 2 hours, is that something you think is worthwhile? I just don't want to put all my switches together and then end up taking them apart 22 hours after that to lube them.

[somber scroll]

No I don’t think it’s necessary to keep them together. The important part is pressing the stem into the top like the original article suggests to flatten out the silicone while it’s still somewhat pliable. But once you do that you could definitely leave them apart

If you are only putting it on the top housing you could even lube them at 2 hours I would say. Although idk if the lube would interact with the not totally cured gasket maker

[placid blaze]

I'll definitely wait the 24 hours to be safe

oh I just realised that the guide for the speed coppers is only top housing + stem, no bottom housing

that'll save some time

thanks for the help!

[shell geode]

Ooh you're doing the silicone method? I tried it, but I think my mistake was that I let it cure but didn't flatten it out so it was just a blob, which made it sound mushy

[placid blaze]

frankly I'm looking to silence my switches as much as possible

[somber scroll]

Yeah I did it. I can definitely see a blob making it mushy haha

[placid blaze]

mushiness might actually not be so bad assuming the switch feels the same

[static tendon]

Amazing video and extremely helpful, where did you purchase that brass looking weight for the psd60?

[somber scroll]

@shell geode @placid blaze this is after silicone

[shell geode]

Thanks! I got it from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BKPG464X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1, took me about an hour to cut it out with a hacksaw

[somber scroll]

And prior to silicone

Both of these are unlubed too

[placid blaze]

I went back and listened to that while I was reading over your writeup

have you lubed the switches since then?

[somber scroll]

Yeah I finally did on Friday lol. Had my keyboard in pieces for like a week 💀

[placid blaze]

do you have any sound tests of that?

[somber scroll]

Oh wait my bad that damped one is lubed

[placid blaze]

man the first one sounds nuts

[somber scroll]

The damped one is lubed
The “ non damped” one is unlubed but still damped

[placid blaze]

yeah, that sounds awesome

[somber scroll]

I forgot I didn’t get a before test lol

[shell geode]

Yeah, definitely a softer return, to me its like in the middle between a mechanical and membrane

[somber scroll]

Stabs are unlubed tho still. Stock FL CMMK v3 stabs

[static tendon]

Also what was that foam you used in that little divot in the case? Genius

[placid blaze]

oh thanks for reminding me about stabs, I wanna try heatshrink modding the stabs I've got

[shell geode]

Also found some heat shrink tubing, I don't know what the size is but it was the smallest I have

[static tendon]

I’ll have to make a purchase and cut it on my own 😎

[placid blaze]

great minds think alike 😅

[static tendon]

Just to confirm you got it in the 1/8" x 2"x 12” size?

[shell geode]

It's Sorbothane foam! Also from Amazon. Because it's really sticky and will stick to the case, I layered medical tape over it because its porous instead of say painter's tape, so I wouldn't be counteracting the purpose of the foam

[placid blaze]

how good would you say sorbothane is for sound dampening?

I've been using car sound dampener in my other builds and I'm wondering how it compares

[shell geode]

Yup, that's the one! The cavity size is something like 1.5" x 7.5", so that's plenty to cut down, you'll have to file the corners to round it after cutting it out

[static tendon]

I’m real sorry to bother but any chance you’d have that link? I’ll likely place an order today

[shell geode]

No worries, I got you 👌 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019GBG97Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It's pretty pricey ($30 for one sheet, enough to fit a 65)

[shell geode]

I followed this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ywjXQ_XP6o&ab_channel=iChuckBricks, the sorbothane is the common choice, it sounds a bit more dense compared to my other board with neoprene in it, plus it's pretty weighty and made my 60he heavier. If I could afford the MLV, I would go for it 😅

[placid blaze]

cheers! I'm really happy with the car dampener since I got a small sheet for a steal

[shell geode]

Awesome! If it works for you, you should stand by it! I might even try it for a future board

[somber scroll]

https://www.amazon.com/Noise-Grabber-Mass-Loaded-Vinyl/dp/B087QRBR74/ref=mp_s_a_1_5

Isn’t MLV cheaper

[static tendon]

Apologies, I have saved the sorbathane as well but realized that’s the not the foam pad, would you happen to have a link to that foam as well?

[dense snow]

sounds pretty good! what mods did you use?

[shell geode]

Damn, I was only looking at Prime listings and they're bigger and pricey 😆 I'll bookmark this for the next build lol

[shell geode]

Oh whoops, it's this one! https://www.target.com/p/con-tact-18-34-x4-39-zip-n-fit-premium-non-adhesive-ribbed-shelf-liner-taupe/-/A-52047647

[shell geode]

Thanks! Tape modded the PCB, re-lubed and spring-swapped the switches with the Wooting 50cn, stabs are Durock V2 lubed and holee modded, and inserted a custom brass weight into the cavity, I posted a video a bit earlier in this channel 👌

[dense snow]

how many layers of tape did you use and what lube?

[static tendon]

Perfect. Saved this as well. Will try to gather up these mods

@shell geode to also confirm cause since I didn’t catch it earlier. This here is the sorbathane right? Is the thing above it something else? The white wrapper looking stuff?

[static tendon]

Another thing I noticed, looks like you used a carbon fiber plate, did you custom make this or also purchase off Amazon or something?

[somber scroll]

They hand wove the plate

[shell geode]

Yeah this is the sorbothane foam. I applied medical tape that you can find at Walmart/Target because I did not want it to stick to the case, and it's porous so it wouldn't block any sound

[shell geode]

Haha, I wish!

[shell geode]

It's the Wooting PCB, I just applied carbon fiber vinyl wrap and cut out the openings with a hobby knife

[static tendon]

Oh so it’s the standard plate and everything? Ohhh that makes sense, vinyl wrapping for the look. Got it

@shell geode does the Poseidon60 ever feel like the typing angle is too steep? I believe it’s at 6° typing angle but I’m currently using a 4° typing angle on my case

[shell geode]

It is hardly steep, but you'll have to try out a 6 degree to know how you like it, for me 6 degrees is my most ideal angle.

Maybe the heat shrink tubing is too thick, but it is definitely quieter 😕

[somber scroll]

You might have too long of heat shrink

Iirc the tutorial I saw online said 6mm long (like only half the rod covered)

Hard to test tho without going thru a ton of heat shrink lol

Did you lube at all with that?

[shell geode]

Oooh okay, I'll try shorter

Yeah, I lubed after taking the photo

[static tendon]

Ok good to know. I don’t have the luxury of testing out a 6° case but I can try getting an angle ruler to compare the height from my normal height

[somber scroll]

Let us know how it works. I’m tempted to find some small heat shrinks if it’s worth it

[sour tide]

Hello just got my wooting keyboard today and wanted to know is it possible to put cherry mx brown switches? Would hate to go out and buy them if i cant.

[river reef]

No, only lekker switch work with it

Did you even read what the keyboard does

[storm meteor]

Am I dumb? Or do not all switch films work for the wooting lekker switches- I hav e these and I cannot figure out how to put them on

[somber scroll]

What do they look like? You might need to snip the middle bracing bar out

All switch films deform with lekker switches. The rails are wider on the bottom housing which deforms them slightly

You can still fit them together but just put the film on the bottom housing first

[storm meteor]

Ah ok!! So it doesn’t matter when I close the switch that the films not perfectly aligned?

It actually only worked when I put it on the top housing

But everything is seen was for bottom housing placement so I thought it might be incompatible

[somber scroll]

Ah

They should be lined up properly but just warped slightly

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

Like that. Kind of hard to see since it’s clear tho

You can kind of see the deformation on the right side of the film. Also see the snipped middle bar (it’s essentially just a rectangle)

[thorny glade]

has anyone tried gasket mounting the 60HE? are the lekker switches able to hold the PCB and plate together?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6sny3CQalE

i found this online but the uploader didnt specify on how he achieved this

[austere creek]

no cause the switches aremt soldered. the only thing holding the pcb and plate together is a few screws

[thorny glade]

sigh alright

I was thinking maybe the switch can hold them in place like hotswap sockets 😦

apparently it doesn't coz it's just 2 poles at the bottom of the switches

[austere creek]

yes 0 soldered pins

[somber scroll]

#archived_wooting_60he message
Tirade is the person to ask about gasket mounting

[thorny glade]

thx man I ll go take a look

worst case scenario I ll just do the o ring mod I guess

[somber scroll]

Oh wait you said gasket mount. AFAIK you would need a new plate custom made. Some people here have made new plates but I’m not sure who. You might be able to find references by searching tho

[thorny glade]

yeah but I figure it might just be going too far to get a plate custom made though

[somber scroll]

Yeah it’s quite the feat. I think @tall hollow might have made a custom plate or potentially should know someone who has

[thorny glade]

thx a lot for the info man

[sudden talon]

does anyone know if u could use this case?

https://mechboards.co.uk/products/high-profile-60-aluminium-case?variant=40336364306637

[thorny glade]

judging by the standoff positions I think it does fit

but pay attention to those standoffs at the rim though

might want to check the PCB before buying

[sour tide]

Yes thanks for the reply i guess what im trying to do is make it more quiet. Just switch the case but seems to pretty loud even after that. Sorry still new to making my own custom keyboards.

[river reef]

Can do silicone pour to dampen the sound

The switches are hall effect switches, pcb is not compatible with other mechanical switch

[sour tide]

Ok thanks 🙏🏾

[river reef]

Wooting is not really a good custom keyboard to start with

Since most of the stuff you do is more on looks

[bronze grove]

Wouldn't maybe trust someone who calls a keyboard a "wooting" too much. At least use the model names, since they do have different mods available to them

[river reef]

@stray tiger

My fjell came back
126.50NZD for the anodise
For type 3 anodise tho

[bronze grove]

I'd like to argue that my plastic cased 60HE is pretty muted with plenty of filling inside for noise and of course lubing the switches extensively.

[river reef]

Have you tried ttc frozen V2 with polycarb

[bronze grove]

[static tendon]

If anyone has the time and is able, would someone happen to know the front and back height in Centimeters (cm) for the Poseidon60? I see online it shows 2cm in the front and 3cm in the back but it looks so much higher than that

[river reef]

I only have re

[void abyss]

How is the height difference compared to the stock case? Is GH60 worth it?

[thorny glade]

I'm away from home but yes, the psd60 does feel taller than the original 60he case

[static tendon]

No worries at all. I appreciate any and all feedback so this helpful already 😁

[zinc hemlock]

It’s not worth it, it’s higher but nicer profile but I switched back to stock because the case had issues with noise on one side of the keyboard

I kinda realised I should’ve kept the switches stock too, even though they were louder they were nicer to press before lubing

So I ruined my Wooting 😩

[lunar echo]

where did you get the case?

[void abyss]

Wash the switches and remove the lube then? Maybe u overlubbed the spring

And thx for the reply 🙂

[tall hollow]

Not yet, but I’m contemplating it.

[zinc hemlock]

Aliexpress.

[zinc hemlock]

All good my dude, I think I'm just going to sell the keyboard at this point though. The layout is too small for me to adapt to anyway lol

[void abyss]

Which keys r u missing?

[zinc hemlock]

Tkl dude, love the arrow keys and multi media options

Hbu?

[boreal latch]

You can remap Keys and you can always have function layers

Wootility is an awesome piece of software

[ruby mantle]

Is it possible to use a ducky one 2 mini case on the wooting 60HE?

[untold wigeon]

Are there any open cases that'll fit the pcb good?

[untold wigeon]

Yes. It's one of the recommended ones. There's a list of compatible cases out there. If I can find it I'll link it.

@ruby mantle tada
https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[ruby mantle]

Thank you🙏

[void abyss]

I use this setup. Don't need F Keys (even when playing WoW), only need quick access to Arrow keys. I am completely happy with the 60he, especially after lubing, burger mount and tape mod

[untold wigeon]

I think I just might do the tape mod

I just put some painters tape on the back of the pcb right?

[void abyss]

Yep

3 layers is really safe. 4 layers is also achievable (I did 4)

[hallow socket]

does anyone know of custom fullsize cases, preferably aluminum? ive been trying to find any to no avail, not even people to commission for one 🥲

[bronze grove]

No such thing for the 2HE. You'd have to get one designed and made yourself.

We have design files for the stock case over on GitHub.

[hallow socket]

damn, thanks anyways

ill consider it when i get the keyboard to begin with :)

[untold wigeon]

Thanks NilseyNiles

Is there a certain brand or does it even matter?

[void abyss]

Most important thing: make sure the tape does not contact so u dont shorten ur PCB. the easiest tape is painter tape. There are some videos on YT that show different types of tape but painter tape is the easiest to get and gets the job done

[untold wigeon]

Ok. Blue painters tape type bear just to play it safe

[void abyss]

Is it some "long lasting tape"?Probably bad when it has too much glue? Dunno

[uncut pelican]

are the ducky pudding keycaps cute for the two he? does anyone have any examples of the keycaps in effect? im thinking of buying them to put on my keyboard when i buy it :D

[hallow socket]

would you happen to know if theres just plain images of the parts somewhere? i got the .stl files but are there just pngs of the actual physical parts somewhere?

[bronze grove]

Probably. Don't have any handy. Been travelling cross country all day, so I've been limited to my phone

[austere creek]

uh yes https://imgur.com/gallery/33yrVI3

[hallow socket]

thank you :)

[austere creek]

personally would recommend the STL files though as they are the ones we used for producing parts

[hallow socket]

yeah i sent them to a company for cnc appraisal but theres a notice saying they require extra images? idk what its about but if they get back to me about needing something else ill provide those

they did say itll take them a day or two for their engineers to look over the stl files before they come back to me with a price offer so ill see how it pans out

[real fiber]

duck on phone, what will he do

[bronze grove]

[tough raven]

Spent the weekend lubing and modding this thing!

[bronze grove]

Better put that back in the fridge, cause it's cool.

[hot mountain]

Can confirm the dimensions of 2cm front and 3cm rear are correct, with the rubber feet installed its about 5mm higher 😉

[neon thunder]

Oh oof didn’t know I might have to remove center stand-off for fuel

Fjell

Hope I don’t end up with bouncy kb if I do, not into that

[shell cove]

lol really wish the wooting60 had a tsangan layout

[static tendon]

Just a heads up, lube can be removed, although it is a bit time consuming. I’ve done it before but not with a lekkar switch. Should be a similar process I’d assume

[mint flint]

is that a mojo60

looks like it

the robin's egg color, no?

[untold wigeon]

What keycaps are these

They look cool

[oblique pebble]

You have my exact mouse/mousepad combo lol

Red g pro and black Saturn

[tough raven]

https://cannonkeys.com/products/nicepbt-soyamilk

[tough raven]

This is correct!

Looks way better than I expected.

[mint flint]

very heavy, too

Looks great 🙂 I have the lavender

[tough raven]

I like it heavy, the weapon mode is always a nice add.

[shell geode]

I'm unsure if this is permitted or not, but does anyone know where I can find a picture of the 60he alu case that Wooting is working on? I recall seeing a screen grab somewhere, just wanna see it again

[somber scroll]

#archived_wooting_60he message

Iirc mansen also posted a photo of an actual prototype last week at some point

[shell geode]

Thanks! Wow it is a beauty

Can't wait for the release!

[edgy nexus]

Whats better poron or sorbothane as a dampening foam?

[gloomy sierra]

Anyone know the best way of dampening / quieting the sound of the switches? i'm coming from a cheap custom (bent alu case, so no "real case", with T1 shrimp silent tactiles), and the 60HE is much louder. the wife is NOT impressed. I've done O-rings back when they were cool in 2010 but i feel like that is probably gonna be mushy

[somber scroll]

Look for my posts on dampening with gasket maker.

https://scarff.id.au/blog/2020/silenced-kailh-speed-copper-switches/

Original blog I found on the technique. I also have posted various comments with tips and tricks

Most recent sound test with dampened and lubed switches. Stabs are unlubed here

[somber scroll]

I think sorbethane? Apparently MLV is even better tho

I think @shell geode did sorbethane on his board

[edgy nexus]

Ayt thanks

[gloomy sierra]

thats perfect! do you have to remove any lube etc to get it to set properly?

[somber scroll]

I didn’t. They just had the factory lube on. However, I will say when I pulled them all apart to lube, a few of the bits of silicone on the bottoms of the stems came off so I had to redo 3 of them. Not sure tho if that was due to lube or stem material or what but overall adhesion wasn’t an issue

Also that link just talks about damping the upstroke but I also have pictures of what I did to dampen the downstroke

[gloomy sierra]

yeah i think i'll want to dampen both

[somber scroll]

It was a process. But I love the sound haha. Excited to start messing around with case acoustics once I lube my stabs

[gloomy sierra]

darn tahts a nice station there to do the modding

[somber scroll]

Yeah it was a godsend haha

[gloomy sierra]

yeah i'm going to probably get MLV or something too for the case

[somber scroll]

Especially for the stems. Super tiny work so having the stems be held in place was really really helpful

[gloomy sierra]

not sure if MLV actually dampents it tho

how long does it take to set?

i'm pretty handy with diamond grabber tool

so i could just grab and then smash blue then set aside

but need to let it set in correct orientation so it doesnt leak/goop

[somber scroll]

Per the article it recommends letting them sit for an hour, then pushing them into the top housing to get a bit of an imprint and then put them back together after another hour

Total cure time is 24 hours but they said you could type on them after 3 or so. Just don’t pull off the keycaps again before it fully cured cuz it puts more pressure on the housing silicone

Definitely read that blog post tho

[gloomy sierra]

ahh ok, so i dont reassemble, just mush a stem via pulling it to get an imprint. should take like 10-seconds a tophousing at the one hour mark~

this is all very promising!

i might go mod my other switches in this way

very cool

do switch films help too? i have a spare set of cheap kelowna ones

i assume they also help to improve the sound

[narrow goblet]

Is Glacier keycaps a good idea for wooting 60HE?

[shell geode]

Yo! Ive tried both poron and sorbothane, and to me poron makes the keys sound more 'clackier' when in an alu case, and sorbothane mutes everything and to me feels thicker and heavier, but also is sticky so I lined mine with medical tape so the foam doesn't stick to the board

[devout haven]

If you like the look, yes.

If you don't like the look, no?

[wicked hill]

Translucent keycaps is never the move in my opinion but to each their own ♥️

Just copped these to go w the setup cause I wasn’t a fan of the POM jelly’s

[edgy nexus]

You put medical tape on the sticky side of the foam? Or both sides

[shell geode]

Both sides. I want to be able to take out or put in the foam without hassle

[shell geode]

Ooo rocking the Companion 2 speakers?

[somber scroll]

Haha yup

[uncut pelican]

the dark glaciers look AWESOME

[bronze grove]

To each their own indeed 😄

[oblique pebble]

Because of the issue I’m having with my keys being wobbly. Would me ordering the krytox an lube off the website and modding the keyboard improve that? Or is it a case of having completely new switches so it’s like factory feel

[untold wigeon]

It looks like a N64 controller

[bronze grove]

Yeah it definitely has that early 2000s atomic purple look that a lot of electronics (Especially Nintendo) did 🙂

This was mostly for fun and to show something more unique off at WootUp though. I'll be reverting it into it's Commodore 64 look when I have some time to pop off the keycaps.

[lament grail]

is it possible to replace the spacebar springs without taking apart the complete two he?

seems like they are too weak for a cerakey spacebar

but I also don't want to remove every key again xD

[bronze grove]

In the spacebar's switch? I mean... maybe?

It would be a bit involved and I would personally just pull the switch as normal straight from the plate with a puller.

[lament grail]

but it can only be pullled when its disassembled right?

(it's my first mechanical keyboard in a decade or more xD)

[austere creek]

no

our switches are all contactless thus not soldered at all

you just need the right switch puller and they should be able to come out by just taking off the keycap. The main issue you will have is finding stronger springs for the larger spring diameter

they need to be non magnetic

[lament grail]

ah

makes sense

currently I just added some rubber things that do the job but feel weird

@austere creek do you happen to know what dimensions the springs would need?

[wicked hill]

🔥♥️

that case needs those

looks great

[dire delta]

No Wooting yet 😂

[wicked hill]

Like that

[dire delta]

Got a Klippe T for the Wooting. Missing the Wooting :D

And Kuro Shiro R3 as Keycaps

[agile shell]

hi do u know how can we buy tofu60 or any case ?

[dire delta]

Since the Tofu (tray mount) is discontinued they should get more expensive, you could opt for a Klippe T or any traditional tray mount case with a usb cutout on the left

Salvun Salvation, Fjell are expensive ones

Aliepxress also has some like the PSD60

[bronze grove]

Or wait for our case.

[dire delta]

Do a gummy o-ring mount

or design a universal case with has the option to unscrew the standoff so user can choose between gummy o-ring and tray mount

[thick mural]

do you guys have a rough guesstimate on release?

[bronze grove]

Not yet. 🙂

[edgy nexus]

Does electrical tape do the same job?

[bronze grove]

I would imagine maybe summer?

[thick mural]

that's fairly soon, good to hear

will have to order a 3rd wooting 60he with that case and the new pcb for screw in stabs

[dire delta]

Screw-in stabs and tsangan bottom row😍

[agile shell]

what do u mean ?

[agile shell]

which website can we buy it ?

the klippe t ofc

[dire delta]

They are made by Mekanisk so from their shop or on the aftermarket (bought mine on mechmarket). Also here is a list of compatible cases: https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[agile shell]

thx

[bronze grove]

We showed off this prototype at WootUp last week.

[agile shell]

Looks good

[opal rune]

Nice! If the 60 is made with this case I consider ordering it

[bronze grove]

Separate product, as well as the "60HE module", which is a 60HE without keycaps or case. Just the PCBA - and ability to use (some) screw in stabilizers instead.

So you could basically buy the module and alu case and have a complete 60HE (without keycaps)

[opal rune]

Yeah, that’s what I thought! Sounds great 👍🏼 keep us up to date please! 🙏

[dark saddle]

Develop one for the full size. FULL SIZERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!

[untold wigeon]

does this mean that the 60HE module will be available without a case in the future?

[bronze grove]

yes

[tall hollow]

Yes, they are working on a standalone module with screw in stabilizers.

[untold wigeon]

thanks! 😃

[boreal latch]

Oh I'm looking forward to this

[dire delta]

Oh no

[unreal bear]

A wooting PCB module with screw in stabilizer capabilities would be a buy from me.

[bronze grove]

FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT

https://tenor.com/view/you-said-it-burt-leiberman-gif-20104662

[river reef]

Would need switches too, or does module come with switches

[bronze grove]

The module includes everything except case and keycaps from what I understand.
So bring your own case and keycaps.

[river reef]

Oooo

Thats nice

[dire delta]

Any Idea on pricing?

I bought the 60he just for the pcb and switches 😂 👍

[river reef]

Most of us did lmao

And top plate

[haughty delta]

I just want to know if the switches will have tighter tolerances in the future, or maybe we can get some actually compatible films. Cuz the stem wobble is the only thing I can't seem to fix on this board 😫

[dire delta]

67-70g bottom out springs when?

[bright spruce]

Bruh

Who tf wants to use such strong springs

[dire delta]

Me, a degenerate from the custom keyboard community

[slow cave]

anyone has recommendations for a good budget case for the wooting in the SEA region? (tofu60 1.0 and blade60 seems to be discontinued everywhere)

[dire delta]

Can't really recommend it since I do not own it, but I saw a lot of people using the Poseidon psd60

[unreal bear]

Also me. I have heavy hands.

[tranquil flax]

[solar sundial]

Noice

[solid stump]

@bronze grove any idea on beta/prepurchase/production run timeframe, or is it still at the pie-in-the-sky stage?

[bronze grove]

It's in the "we're finalizing the design" stage. I can't tell you exactly when they will start shipping. Pester Calder about it on the next livestream 😄

[solid stump]

Can do lmao

ty

[haughty delta]

@tall hollow you were the one that used poron switch pads in your build right? How long did you compress them?

[compact elm]

are switch films a good idea for the lekker switches

[grave sorrel]

Will you guys make a new PCB that are 65% etc concidering that lot more cases are coming out in that size.

Or make a alternative cases that doesn't have the strap thingy?

[bronze grove]

No plans announced for a 65% model.
Both our 60HE stock case and the Alu case feature the strap holder 🙂

[grave sorrel]

I don't mind the case itself but not a huge fan of the strap. Even with it off it looks a bit funky in my opinion 😅
And now that the tofu60 lines been discontinued for the 2.0 version it's hard to find available cases in that size unless imported for 2-3x times the price

[compact elm]

the metal wooting case looks more clean even tho it has a strap

[bronze grove]

Unlike the stock case, the strap holder won't hang out of the case on the Alu case. It's built into the case itself.

[grave sorrel]

Oh okay. Haven't seen the case just the announcement of a alu version coming out.
Eitherway could probably 3d print a little plug or something to fill the hole it not using the strap

[unreal bear]

I personally like the idea of an alu case even with the strap holder. I just hope we get a black color way of it. I don't wanna have to spray paint it black.

[compact elm]

how difficult would it be to make a spring pack with 75cN springs

[bronze grove]

See the pin.

[tawny sinew]

There are quite a few really good case options available outside of the list wooting has made

I got a high quality aluminum case for around 55$

[bronze grove]

And here's a quick teaser of the module for those who didn't see the prototype we showed off at WootUp. 🙂

[unreal bear]

🥹 ah yesssss

[tawny sinew]

Check aliexpress

For cases

[unreal bear]

I think they were more concerned about the import costs of those cases.

[grave sorrel]

I don't doubt that but the biggest problem is most of the alu cases are sold outside of Europe and would cost more than its worth to import

[grave sorrel]

That does look pretty slick ngl

[tall hollow]

I didn’t compress them at all. The pads were already pretty thin.

[haughty delta]

Oh okay cool. I have some .5 mm ones but I wasn't sure if they would interfere with the magnets

[tall hollow]

Also the calibration routine of the keyboard when it turns on should be able to compensate just a little bit.

Although not by too much

@bronze grove any details on the exact tolerances of the limits of the zeroing routine of the keyboard?

[bronze grove]

The what and the who now

[tall hollow]

By how much difference in distance can the zeroing routine compensate for before it starts to act up?

Since someone wants to add switch pads to their keyboard, and the keyboard automatically zeros itself upon boot. So it can compensate for the slightly added distance between the switch and the sensor?

[bronze grove]

No clue.

[tall hollow]

But I want to know how much added distance is acceptable before it becomes unreliable.

[bronze grove]

That's definitely a question for @red cape or Jeroen. 🙂

[tall hollow]

Aight

I’m gonna ask Simon, since we have the same name

[tall hollow]

@red cape do you happen to know anything about how this works? I want to know so I can know the tolerances of the switches.

[red cape]

Hmmmm, as mentioned, the keyboard will calibrate all the keys on startup, so whatever position they're in when it turns on is treated as the 0.0mm position effectively. The only situations I can think of that would cause problems in this context would be:

• if the keys don't return to the exact start position when released (i.e. if the pads become compressed and don't fully return to original position), which could cause it to look like the key is always pressed a little bit
• if the keys start at a significantly greater height from the sensor than stock. which could result in a bit of the start of the range being lost if it causes it to go outside of the range the sensors can pick up

Although it seems like it should be fine

[tall hollow]

Ah, so it’s more of a limitation of the sensor itself rather than the actual zeroing routine. Although I don’t think a 0.5mm pad would be out of range at all, especially since the pads are compressed a little bit when they are inserted into the keyboard.

But yeah the pad itself squishing and deforming during use can cause issues.

But it hasn’t been an issue for me yet

why is modding analog keyboards so much more complicated and technical than normal keyboards

[bright spruce]

It's the same... Just don't put any switch pads or films

[red cape]

ye I doubt 0.5mm would make a significant difference, at least on the 60HE IIRC the switches are mounted stock a lot closer to the PCB/sensors than on Two HE, so have more room to work with

I haven't played around with pads or films at all, but as long as it keeps a consistent change of the switch position and isn't moving it significantly far away, then I wouldn't expect any issues

[junior glen]

where was this posted?

[bronze grove]

Posted? It was shown off at WootUp on Saturday. 😀

[junior glen]

the woot...what

where's that

[tall hollow]

Cool! Thanks!

[stray tiger]

@river reef I forgot you wanted to see those cables from WiredIn. One min, photo quality was garbage

[haughty delta]

I will give the pads a shot tonight then, my screws are coming in today so I have to take the board apart anyway

[tall hollow]

Nice!

[real fiber]

that lil box makes my brain happy

[stray tiger]

You mean the artisans? That's 1 box of probably 3 and of all of those, on this Frog Mini I'm use a keycap made by a local friend who is just getting started trying to make them.

[edgy nexus]

Yo some dude wanted a tofu60 earlier

I sent him your way

[stray tiger]

Thanks, but I'm all out of Tofu's and wont be getting any more. Other than a few 5 degree cases in Black or Gray and some super rare or limited edition stuff, I'm all tapped out. I did what I could

[patent fossil]

Finally

[void abyss]

Your Fn and Windows keys need to be swapped

But nice keycap set. Where u got it?

[patent fossil]

Thanks

[tranquil flax]

[patent fossil]

https://keyoo-keyboards.de

[iron jacinth]

This would clear switch films for use as well, wouldn't it? They are 0.125 mm in most cases, so they should be quite fine

[buoyant torrent]

hey what do you guys suggest for modding?

[patent fossil]

Switches lube

[buoyant torrent]

what should i do for the case?

[patent fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN_-GYLTfpY

my keyboard is without the spring, sound for me better in my case 🙂

[shell geode]

I'm not sure, but maybe it's worth a try! The texture on the electrical tape is solid though, so I don't know if sound is just going to bounce off instead of absorbing it, which is why I chose medical tape since its porous. It's trial and error, so it could work!

[red cape]

Well, I haven't tested them, but I would expect them to not cause any issues. But would need to try them to actually confirm it

[buoyant torrent]

whats is a good case to swap to?

[shell geode]

Depends on price, look etc, but here's the list to look at. Some of us here have a few of them, so if you have particular cases in mind, ask! 👍 https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[abstract hound]

Dang should I cancel my order then and just wait for the PCBA

Any leaks as to an approximate date?

[mighty nymph]

Hey guys ! can you recomend some Azerty keycaps ? Can't find good ones

[bronze grove]

Corsair makes a set of PBT ones.

[edgy nexus]

Damn thats tuff lmao

[edgy nexus]

Ayt i understand but I still paid like 30$ for my sorbothane foam so I dont want to waste it so ill go with the medical tape

Thanks for the tip

[stray tiger]

Its great actually. Was able to help about 60-70 people in here find cases when things were scarce. Now that Wooting has announced a case, my work here is done 🙂

[buoyant torrent]

I want the tofu 60 but I dont think its available

[limpid crown]

@bronze grove is it worth to swap the case with an aluminium one i bought (that it is compatible) or should i wait for the new official aluminium wooting case ?

[bronze grove]

Uhh... Up to you? It's not like a case has any functional difference. Go with what you prefer.

[shell geode]

Right, you'll have to go third-party for them

If you have extra alu cases, why not build another 60 board? 👍

[edgy nexus]

Thats great, kinda sad you couldnt hook me up with one tho lol. But I managed and bought a Klippe T instead

[edgy nexus]

This summer like the case

[tall hollow]

They work ok for me.

Apart from the fact that they deform the films they work fine, and they do what they are supposed to.

[tall hollow]

Indeed

[abstract hound]

Oh was talking about the pcb unless I read that completely wrong

[somber scroll]

The PCBA module thing will probably be released/announced around the same time as the case. Which is likely around summer

[raven coral]

Hi, I would just like to know if there is a 60HE with knob? (mod, prebuild, prototype?)

[edgy nexus]

Yea im saying the pcb is prolly gon be available this summer like the case

[limpid crown]

I mean, but the wooting case will mostly fit the wrist rest properly right ?

[somber scroll]

Nope

[lament grail]

does anyone know the dimensions etc of the springs?

[lament grail]

no one?

[edgy nexus]

Ask the mods

[edgy nexus]

@bronze grove

[lament grail]

k

[edgy nexus]

Sorry for the ping btw anders

[tawny sinew]

not sure about Europe but here in Canada I've not been charged import fees for items specifically from aliexpress

you should look into that

[grave sorrel]

i have

its 25% of the product to get it trough customs and then an additional 20-25% on all the products if there are multiple items in one package.

[mental hemlock]

Does anybody have a build with blank key caps

[quiet bay]

I think my stab stem is the reason why my wire is hitting something

[quiet bay]

I have this dont mind the missing spacebar

[real fiber]

!!THAT'S SO FUCKING COOL

do they have a marketplace anywhere?

[mental hemlock]

clean what case

[stray tiger]

Nope, no marketplace BUT he is planning to do his first raffle in a week or two. Ill make a note to remind you if you're interested. It would be the first artisan from an up and coming new artist

[real fiber]

you are truly goat thank u sir

[hallow socket]

its me again the fullsize case hunter

i found a company with custom cnc services and their offer was 800 dollars for an aluminum case. i am now looking for another company

i was originally hoping to get something under 100 but after looking at premade aluminum cases id be happy with 200 at this point 😭

i shall report back if i find a fullsize case at a reasonable price, ive stumbled upon many wooting two he case asks so i know im not alone 🫡

[lofty ibex]

@red cape Peek a boo

[tall hollow]

Ohhhh, what happened?

[vital halo]

I come looking for people suggestion about a custom case aluminum for the 60HE and Wooting is creating one? Purfect

[tall hollow]

no garuntee that it would be released though, but its definitely in the works.

[vital halo]

Too late! i saw the pictures im in!

(kiddin hope it does)

[quiet bay]

a part of it is missing on the bottom

[quiet bay]

Klippe T

[tall hollow]

how did that happen?

[quiet bay]

I have no idea 😂

i was taking it out to take a peek on what was making it ping and then i found it was broken

[tall hollow]

damn, hope you got spare stabs.

[quiet bay]

Uhhhhh

I’ll be ordering new stabs sooner or later :DD

[tall hollow]

durock v2 plate mount stabs arent bad.

[quiet bay]

hmm

I kind of want to try these

uh

I forgot what they were called actuallu

Oh yeah

Fl cmmk v3 plate mount stabs

[indigo badge]

I was actually about to ask if anyone's had experience with aftermarket stabs in the board.
Like, if they fit as snug as the stock ones supposedly do.

[quiet bay]

As long as they’re plate mount they’ll fit

[haughty delta]

I have some extra of these from a previous build, I might try them out 🤔

[somber scroll]

I have the FLs in this. The only thing I did was put a little pad on the pcb. They’re totally unlubed lol. They’re definitely a bit rattly but to my ears they aren’t horrible to have no lube

[quiet bay]

They sound pretty good for being unlubed

[indigo badge]

Right, just wondering about tolerances, and if they'll wobble more or less than stock.
Putting a good chunk of work into this build to make if my own, and I think I want to use aftermarket stabs and do my own lube job as well.

[somber scroll]

Yeah. Going to lube them eventually but waiting a bit lol

[somber scroll]

The FL CMMK v3s aren’t wobbly at all

[quiet bay]

Hopefully when i order them they wont break too 😢

[indigo badge]

Fingers crossed for you, bro.
Setbacks always suck.
I ordered a custom cable and it's too short... xD (that's on me, tbf)

[somber scroll]

Okay I lied they wobble a tiny bit but I really gotta yank on them lol

[quiet bay]

Howd u get that keyboard so deep

[somber scroll]

Gasket maker on the switches lol

[quiet bay]

ooh whats gasket maker

never heard of it

[indigo badge]

I'll keep those in mind.
I'm partial to Durock, but I'd love to try more brands.

[somber scroll]

https://scarff.id.au/blog/2020/silenced-kailh-speed-copper-switches/
Here’s the original blog post I followed. Also search my past comments for some tips and tricks

I also put some on the bottom of the stems like this. So both down and upstroke are dampened

[unreal bear]

How do you apply them evenly

[somber scroll]

Patience lol

[quiet bay]

thats actually pretty smart

can i tape the switches?

[somber scroll]

For the top housing its recommended to apply using a 2mm flathead screwdriver

The blog goes into more details tho
Yeah you can tape

[tall hollow]

you can, it more or less has the same effect.

[somber scroll]

@shell geode taped theirs

#1097648230176673872 message
For tape

[quiet bay]

would masking tape work

[tall hollow]

I tried both, and they both have a very slight mush when you bottom out.

which is why I didnt do it

[somber scroll]

Yeah it definitely dampens the feel a bit

Also really depends on how much you put on. More silicone means more damp (and vice versa)

[tall hollow]

yeah

[quiet bay]

Fine by me I lived with a membrane keyboard

[tall hollow]

I see

[quiet bay]

also where should I tape the switch I wanna try it out rn

going to test

[tall hollow]

at the bottom of the bottom housing near the 2 side rails, and at the sides of the top of the housing.

where the stem hits the top housing

[quiet bay]

Could i get an example so that I can look at it?

[tall hollow]

ill get my spare switch and open it up

[quiet bay]

Alr thanks!

[tall hollow]

Like this @quiet bay

[quiet bay]

ohh

Can masking tape work?

[tall hollow]

I dont think it will have the same effect.

but you can try

here I used cloth tape

[quiet bay]

what if I tried a bandaid

[tall hollow]

specifically 3M Durapore

[tall hollow]

that could work

[quiet bay]

alr im going to do it with a bandaid then

[shell geode]

I used medical tape, but yeah like Ducky said, bandaid can work, you'll have to see which application you like best

[quiet bay]

Actually im going to do both and compare them

[tall hollow]

good idea

[shell geode]

Don't forget to lube the area after applying too!

[tall hollow]

oh for sure

like a little extra too, the tape will absorb it a little bit

[shell geode]

Right, the medical tape definitely will

[tall hollow]

so dab a little bit onto the tape

[shell geode]

I also used the same tape to apply it to the pcb under the switches, which I really appreciate Wooting printing on the template for where they would go

[tall hollow]

yeah

[quiet bay]

Didnt tape bottom because it was too quiet

1st not taped 2nd masking tape 3rd bandaid

[tall hollow]

I see

sounds nice though

still has that lekker clack though when you bottom out

[quiet bay]

yeah sadly

Although its less

[tall hollow]

only on the upstroke its dampened

[quiet bay]

oh well

I guess i wont tape them

they dont make too much difference since i only did top housing and its too dampened for me when i do both bttom and top

[tall hollow]

ah, thats ok.

[tall hollow]

also what keycaps are those?

[faint jolt]

lubed switches and stabs with one layer of tape

aluminum case

[twin citrus]

wooting keyboard arrives in 3 days

[faint jolt]

lets goo

[twin citrus]

bro qiko

💀

[faint jolt]

lmfao

[twin citrus]

homies a mod

and a crypto analyst

[faint jolt]

🤣

[twin citrus]

bro wtf

do u have a wooting

oh wait you do

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yeah i got mine yesterday

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i didn't even know that was you

how is it?

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its so nice

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whatchu using it for

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best feeling keyboard i have

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gaming

and typing

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bro that sounds so cnie

nice

is the wooting prelubed?

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i think the stems are slightly lubed

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Geekark triangle keycaps

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ah alr

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if youre not big into modding

atleast lube the stabilizers

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alr

can i get a pic of what it looks like

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yeah

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they look really nice!

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wanna see if it'll look like my gk61

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here’s my gj61

gk61

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custom board?

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yeah

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Thanks I was lucky they were stocked

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holy shit that rgb hits different

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When i first looked they were in stock

Werent

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i personally like it white

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white board black keycaps

respectable

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i shouldve gotten white caps

I have a diff set on a diff keyboard but im too lazy