🔧│keyboard_modding

[bronze grove]

As part of a larger redesign and optimization of the Discord, we're merging the two (soon to be three) modding threads into just using the channel as a whole.

We're keeping the threads open for replies shortterm, and will keep them archived for posterity longterm to allow for people to look up the mountains of knowledge and answers already present there.

Hope Y'all like the change 🙂

2HE Archive: https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1037726692120203274
60HE Archive: https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/996573707235491950

Got a cool board or setup to show off? #1070668460905988106 has you covered!

https://tenor.com/view/dam-break-breaking-overwhelmed-finally-its-done-gif-15175122

[tall hollow]

Yoooo

[upbeat delta]

So empty still ..

[tall hollow]

Not anymore

My wooting so far (still waiting for that darn aluminum case)

[upbeat delta]

Keycaps go hard with the strap

[tall hollow]

Yeah, I wanted to keep the 60HE color scheme.

[upbeat delta]

I wonder if Wooting aluminum case will have a place for the strap

[tall hollow]

Probably

[upbeat delta]

Sure hope so, would be cool

Tho I'm not sure I would buy it anyways

[tall hollow]

I’m curious to see which comes first, the arrival of my FB60, or the release of the Wooting 60HE Aluminum case. ||totally not challenging Calder||

[tall hollow]

Oooo

[floral vale]

Waiting on the wooting aluminium case lol

[tall hollow]

Same

[balmy minnow]

oh yeah, ive been wondering

does using 50g springs instead of 60g reduce upstroke noise a bit?

i mean in theory it should, right?

im also still waiting for the qmx clips ive ordered to arrive. will report back when they're here on whether it makes a large difference or not

[tall hollow]

No, not one bit

It doesn’t change the sound at all

[balmy minnow]

well that's mildly disappointing

might still try them at some point but i still hope the qmx clips do their thing well

[haughty delta]

Not the greatest pictures but I'm happy with the mods I did

[mint flint]

new channel pog

[bronze grove]

Well... technically it was always there. The other ones were threads within this one 😄

[mint flint]

o

rip

[high mortar]

Yay

[somber scroll]

If you’re trying to silence upstroke, search for for my messages in #996573707235491950 and #archived_wooting_60he . I added some silicone gasket maker to the tops of the housings to silence them (also added it to the bottom of the stems but that’s not strictly necessary)

[balmy minnow]

oh i am entirely aware. i'm the guy who bought latex to try and silence it and it didn't work well for me LMAO

[haughty delta]

Only thing that helped silence them for me was lubing the switches

[balmy minnow]

i'm waiting for the qmx clips, they should arrive either tomorrow if dpd is doing its thing well enough or after easter

[somber scroll]

Oh okay lmao

[balmy minnow]

and if they silence upstroke well enough i'll try them with SA caps to make sure the downstroke isn't silenced

[pale spear]

hi, stupid question but does wooting support normal keycaps? i wanna buy custom ones (im wondering cuz the lekker switches)

[bronze grove]

Yes.

[pale spear]

ty

[bronze grove]

We use cherry stem like everyone else. OEM and Cherry work just fine. Others also probably.

[pale spear]

alright,

thx

[stray tiger]

@bronze grove thanks, I feel like we have graduated to big boy pants now. Our own real channel.

[bronze grove]

And it saves me from having to make another thread just for the UwU 😄

[stray tiger]

The truth comes out haha.

[shy basalt]

And it saves you from telling people "This is for the Two HE, the 60 HE thread is over there"

[bronze grove]

Yeah definitely - And outside of case mods, there's a huge overlap between the three.

[stray tiger]

@tall hollow yes to answer your question from earlier, you can pretty much take any GH60/DZ60 compatible top/gasket mount case and use it for the wooting if you have a new plate made. You have to modify the plate for (in this case the Hive60) to include plate mount stabs cutouts and standoff holes (preferably countersunk) and then have it cut in something stiff enough not to flex. I like to test with a 3d printed version first before I have one cut.

[shy basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[tall hollow]

noice

[stray tiger]

The Hive60 will be the 4th one I've tried and I usually have @shell cove do the CAD work for me, but I bribe him with PayPal. Once the file is made and tested though, I share them with the community for free.

[prime blade]

Quick question, is it possible to over lube a spring?

[potent pawn]

yeah it will end up all mushy

we have all been there lol

[stray tiger]

I just use flavored lube though so that if it happens I can enjoy removing the excess

[mystic trellis]

what are those keycaps?

[bronze grove]

Strapp confirmed.

For those who missed out on the awesome livestream.

[somber scroll]

Oh is this the aluminum case? That looks sick. Love the metal accent

[bronze grove]

Do note this is a very early prototype - Colours are 200% not finalized.
Not shown above but mentioned - Removable rubber feet with different heights for different angles.

[stray tiger]

Is the "strap gap" accent also going to be customizable?

[bronze grove]

To cover the cutout you mean?

[stray tiger]

Ive coined strap gap now so you cant use it officially

yeah

[bronze grove]

It's an ongoing discussion. I know we've been brainstorming it with potential solutions like a rubber piece you can push in. But since it's an opening on both the top and side, it's not an easy thing to plug.

[stray tiger]

Just offer a few anodized choices like that gold or silver and like a basic e-white & black and you'll probably be good. Then people can paint the white or black one to match their builds

[lofty ibex]

Who leaked these!

[bronze grove]

It's right there in the image. Calder diddit!

#BlameTheCEO

[stray tiger]

Wow we got our own real channel today AND @lofty ibex blessed us with his presence

Its truly an epic day

[bronze grove]

Mid livestream no less.

[untold wigeon]

Me if it launches

https://tenor.com/view/oop-take-my-money-gif-23438077

hope it will be under 100 dollars

no black version tho?

[bronze grove]

Again colour not final. It's just a proof of concept sample. 🙂

[untold wigeon]

w

[bronze grove]

So just bare metal, no paint finish or coating.

[untold wigeon]

bare metal 💀

thats durable

[untold wigeon]

we need to expose calder for the leaker he is

i have the feeling that i will spend a lot of money on the wooting store in the future

[tall hollow]

Yooooo

[tall hollow]

Why not make it flippy feet?

[bronze grove]

Because it's a metal slab? You can't easily remove a kickstand, but you can take out the rubber feet? Or so I imagine the reasoning is. I just work in customer support.

[tough rapids]

is it possible to just buy the swiches and build a keybaord off the swicthes or does the wootility software need the pcb to work?

[tall hollow]

No, like feet that flip out, like on the Steelseries boards.

[bronze grove]

The switches are literally just magnets in a plastic housing. They won't work unless you have a PCB with magnet sensors and software to convert that into actual keypresses. Our software only works for our boards.

TLDR; Anything is possible in theory, doing a custom Lekker based keyboard requires engineering experience and programming help.

[tall hollow]

Looking at the engineering sample, it does look like the feet are screwed in for now.

[bronze grove]

The feet are rubber. Push in, swap out.

[tall hollow]

Ohhh

Interesting

[bronze grove]

I couldn't get a good screenshot of him doing it midstream. You can watch the VOD and see.

[tall hollow]

Also that filler bracket is interesting

It’s that to add like an accent color or something?

Because you can totally not machine it and not have a gap.

[bronze grove]

Yep. Accent.

To make it slightly less of a rectangular box and have some kind of visual aesthetic cue that is "ours" aside from the strap.

[tall hollow]

Also i really hope that they make the usb port hole bigger to have the O ring mod have some room to flex.

Like on the FB60

Also I’m not sure if they mentioned it, but is coloring going to be achieved through Anodizing or Electroplating?

[bronze grove]

No details yet - I'm sure once Calder and co are ready to share more, they will go into more details about all of this. 🙂

[tall hollow]

I see, they’re probably still experimenting with a lot of things

[bronze grove]

It's the same manufacturer as the brass UwU cases, so I imagine there will be a lot of discussion about both in the coming weeks.

[tall hollow]

Milling I’m assuming.

[gray shoal]

If I order a klippe T 60% case is there anything else I need to order? So I can case swap/mod my wooting 60 he.

If I want to burger mount will I need to look for orings?

[stray tiger]

Its a drop in replacement so no modifications needed. If you want to burger mount then yes youll need some orings

[somber scroll]

Would orings do much for sound in the default case? Or are they really more for aluminum cases to reduce ping?

[stray tiger]

Correct

They are providing a little bit of isolation from the PCB being directly on the standoffs.

[tall hollow]

as far as O rings go, anything that has a 4mm outer diameter and a 1mm innter diameter and is made of silicone should be fine.

and no, you can use the original screws with the klippeT

so no need to buy extra hardware.

[fading holly]

I have 5mm outer and 2mm inner on the way. do they still work or are they gonna be too loose?

[stray tiger]

If you're going with a Klippe though, you should give friction fitting a try. Grab a size M https://graveshift.com/products/graveshift-m-o-rings

They also have a non-US site I think if youre elsewhere

[iron jacinth]

Would they also suit the Fjell?

[stray tiger]

yes same ones

[tall hollow]

I think those should be ok

[stray tiger]

They would probably be fine but might slide off the screw when trying to mount it, so you might have to get a little creative and glue the o-ring to the standoff or something

[fading holly]

Thanks guys!

[floral vale]

Wait they said it's gonna be black? What if I want silver color?

[brazen thunder]

@stray tiger if your 3d print file works good could you send it to me?

[stray tiger]

For sure!

[brazen thunder]

thank you

[iron jacinth]

Is that a Wooting made aluminium case?

[tall hollow]

its an engineering sample

no color is on it

[gray shoal]

Thank you sir

[gray shoal]

This the same as gummy o ring mod? I’ll probably try it but I don’t like the idea of the plate floating up and down when I’m typing.

[pastel pewter]

does the wooting sound pingy for you guys as well after modding? i’m curious if it’s just me (i think it’s my alu case or due to material of the wooting plate) bc i can’t get rid of it even after adding various foams

[lime lintel]

So I got a question, I'm in the middle of designing a case for my wooting and I was wondering if anyone knew on top of their head what is the size of the screws used in the keyboard?

[quiet bay]

yes it does sound pingy

[pastel pewter]

it must be the plate material ig

😦

it bothers me but i’ll get used to it i suppose

[bronze grove]

The stock case uses M2x5mm

[lime lintel]

Thanks @bronze grove

[somber parrot]

So i checked that spreadsheet of the compatible cases for the 60he but like, half are not good or discontinued

are those the only cases compatible so far?

[bronze grove]

Those are the ones the community have checked with. There may be more out there - Links are also typically only to a single vendor. You might be able to several of them elsewhere.

[somber parrot]

true

true

[bronze grove]

The only one I know is completely gone is the Tofu case. That's definitely one you'll need to hunt second hand for.

[somber parrot]

im trying to find a tofu or a blade

but no dice

honestly i would stay with this case if i find some custom straps on esty

let me see if there are some

[bronze grove]

Doubt you will find any advertised - But if you find any makers on etsy doing leather straps or stuff with textile, you can usually ask for a custom order. Lemme grab the measurements for you.

[somber parrot]

i wanna make a cyberpunk themed keyboard for this

look at these caps i found

[bronze grove]

I just sold that set - It's very nice 🙂

[somber parrot]

have u seen

the kitsune

[somber parrot]

thats so fucking nice

i followed that for a year

[bronze grove]

I half forgot I even ordered the Neo Tokyo, and by the time it delivered I had sold the keyboard it was bought for. So I sold them for what I paid and bought a different set that fit my current 60HE case...well one of them.

[somber parrot]

looks like lego

[floral vale]

@river saffron Can we have the new alu case also in silver color? Only black ruins the aesthetics !

[bronze grove]

No colours have been mentioned! xD

It's literally a proof of concept sample.

[floral vale]

I swear I heard only black is gonna be avialable xD

[tall hollow]

No, I think there will be a few colors

60HE yellow and lekker mint being 2 that I speculate to be the special colors.

Other than the obvious black and white

[main cargo]

Any recommendation on the hardness/durometer?

[normal schooner]

I love purple

looks great

but mac with gaming a gaming keyboard

[bronze grove]

Que?

[azure bone]

Where to buy good looking key caps and what is their price..if I want to do something with my keyboard in future

[normal schooner]

https://www.kromekeycaps.com/

[azure bone]

@normal schooner thanks for link buddy. I appreciate it. do you have any photos of your keyboards if you modded some?

[normal schooner]

Im modding mine tommorow in a fjell case

today im trying to get used to the rapid trigger and tacheon mode

[azure bone]

awesome i think i will first do keycaps since im not profesional on that and i dont want to mess something up

[normal schooner]

you cant mess something up if you just follow the official tutorIal videos like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN_-GYLTfpY&t=426s

lubing is great 😄

[azure bone]

damn i already ordered my keyboard and wrist thingy but didnt include lube.

[quiet bay]

still sounds good without lube

[azure bone]

so lube only changes sound of it?

i might add it on my order

oh hell nah brother this looks soo hard to do..im too scared 😄

[iron bear]

It's up to you but just take your time and it'll turn out great if you so choose to do it, i like how the switches sound both Stock & Lubed 🙂

[vast nacelle]

It is not hard. Is easy, just time consuming. Don't be scared.

[azure bone]

i just had a lot of keyboards and I didnt like them at all.. I think my best one is ducky one 2 mini..but i spend over 800€ for keyboards in total..but now im ordering this and I like it a lot from videos

so im a bit scared you know i dont want to mess up something that would damage my keyboard

[iron bear]

That video explains it very well 🙂

[iron bear]

#archived_the_lekker_switch message Here is how they sound after lubing

[azure bone]

oh my order reached the weight limit..cant order it

im going to lube it definitly..what a nice sound

[normal schooner]

The most important thing is that you take your time

its areally hard to mess things up

[tall hollow]

Tape mod is another that I recommend.

[normal schooner]

No tape mod for me with a brass plate

[tall hollow]

You should do it

[normal schooner]

ok sensei

[tall hollow]

Or at least give it a try

[normal schooner]

I try

[tall hollow]

It’s not hard, and it’s cheap

And you can always use the tape for something else when you’re done with it

[normal schooner]

will this do?

[tall hollow]

Scotch blue tape

That’s what I used

[tall hollow]

Yeah

[normal schooner]

but it isnt esd proof is that ok>?

[tall hollow]

I had no issues with it on my board

Although it is something to look out for

[normal schooner]

@glossy pagoda can i ask your second opinion on this?

no offense ducky I just want to be sure 🙂

[tall hollow]

Oh yeah that’s ok.

[stuck abyss]

What’s the point of taking switches off and making them “south facing”

[glossy pagoda]

I've never tap modded a keyboard, dunno

[tall hollow]

Interference with keycaps

[glossy pagoda]

But as long as it doesn't leave a residue and doesn't conduct, should be fine I assume

[tall hollow]

Some keycaps are designed for south facing switches

[stuck abyss]

Is it worth doing

Ohhh

[normal schooner]

alright fair enough 🙂

[stuck abyss]

I got these ones

[tall hollow]

And they simply don’t work well when the switches are north facing, because unwanted parts of the keycap are hitting the switch housing.

[stuck abyss]

I should be good without having to switch it right

Ohhh

[tall hollow]

Usually GMK keycaps are designed for south facing switches.

[stuck abyss]

Ahh okay okay I’ll go on and switch it then

I just have to pull them out and turn them upside down basically right?

[tall hollow]

Yeah

[iron bear]

I've also never tape modded, adhesives degrade over time and can leave residue on the PCBA and just don't think that it changes that much on this board

[tall hollow]

Although the RGB will be significantly dimmer

[tall hollow]

That’s nothing a little acetone can’t fix.

[stuck abyss]

@tall hollow I see, is the tape mod preference?

[tall hollow]

It is 110 percent preference lol

[iron bear]

Rather just change to a custom plate

[stuck abyss]

@tall hollow okay I see I see

[iron bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6poF-Z0ajhE

[normal schooner]

good vid thanks

[fierce cradle]

Hey guys. I've read https://blog.wooting.nl/how-to-silence-and-sound-dampen-your-mechanical-keyboard/ and I think wooting keyboards are the only ones one can use with both landing pads and o-rings, since the users themselves can regulate the activation (or dual activation/release) points, am I right? Never had a mechanical keyboard before and want to dampen the sound as much as possible so my gf doesn't strangle me in my sleep

Or while gaming

[normal schooner]

who is that guy in the video

is that sander?

[tall hollow]

I don’t recommend the keycap o ring mod, it makes the bottom out feel very mushy.

Sure, it’s dead silent, but I don’t think it’s worth that trade off.

[floral vale]

It doesn't necessarily, it depends on the O-ring hardness. From my experience 70A upwards isnt mushy

[tall hollow]

Hmm

Well I don’t like the muted sound it makes

I prefer to have a decently audible keyboard

[floral vale]

I do and they're great for what they do. Less harsh bottom out, no finger/joint pain, less noise and less total travel distance 😉

[tall hollow]

I do fine without o rings lol

[floral vale]

Until you're old and the steel plate starts to feel hard on your fingers!

[fierce cradle]

Would you be able to type on the keyboard with a newborn in the same room without waking it?

I mean, I don't have one, but I'm thinking about the future level of noise the keyboard will have to make (well, not make) :P

[tall hollow]

Lol, I guess

[fierce cradle]

Sorry, what 70A is, exactly? Also, are there any specific brands or something I should be looking at? I'm in EU.

(Also, landing pads seem to be conspicuously hard to get)

[tall hollow]

Hardness of the material

Lower number = softer

Higher number = harder

[fierce cradle]

And what are the lowest and highest numbers one can reasonably obtain?

[tall hollow]

I’m not entirely sure how the scale works

[floral vale]

Well I'm sure it'll help. But most likely you need further noise reductions, e.g taking the case off and putting the pcb on a foam etc.

[floral vale]

Shore A hardness

Goes up to 90A

The lowest I've seen are 40A. Most O-rings are 40-50A. But then there are 70A rings on some EU retailer shops, afaik glorious makes them. Then mechanicalkeyboards.com has 80A and 90A.

90A are out of stock.

[fierce cradle]

This sounds like a sure-fire way for a warranty void for a non-enthusiast 🥲

I'm most concerned about the keycaps hitting the board sound - does anyone happen to have experience with wooting kb + landing pads?

[fierce cradle]

Thanks, will know where to dig deeper! :) One last thing about o-rings - does wooting accept thin or thick ones (welp, those are the two versions offered by glorious)?

[floral vale]

I have the 2.5 mm and 1.5 mm ones for my 60HE. It depends on the keycaps what fits better. Mine do take 2x 1.5 mm in each keycap but not 2x 2.5 mm 🙂

IIRC

[fierce cradle]

Wait, you're putting two o-rings in a single keycap or is that 1.5|2.5 some other dimension?

[floral vale]

I'm putting two, but both fit. Just saying if you wanna fit multiple it'll depend on the keycap how many will go

[fierce cradle]

Ooookay, I'm gonna try with 1.5mm first, probably ;). Thanks for the info!

[quiet bay]

would switch pads make the wooting sound deeper

[rare coral]

Is it possible to remove the spacebar stabilizer without disassembling the whole keyboard?

[tall hollow]

I put on switch pads and it did sound a little lower pitched and made it ping a little less.

Although the biggest improvement is filming the switches, it got rid of the rattle in the switch entirely.

[quiet bay]

yes

they're plate mounted

[quiet bay]

really?

what films did u use

[tall hollow]

Random Amazon ones

[quiet bay]

give 😉

link

I beg of thee

I really hate the rattle in the switches

[tall hollow]

Uhhh, here’s the thing, the listing doesn’t exist anymore

[quiet bay]

do u know how thick they were?

[tall hollow]

0.15mm and it was polycarbonate

[quiet bay]

alright thanks

[tall hollow]

The thunk of the spacebar lmao

This was recorded on my phone so disregard the shit quality

It still has a clack to it, but definitely better than stock

[quiet bay]

that sounds very deep

holy

mine sounds crunchy

[tall hollow]

Lmao

[tall hollow]

Did you lube your switches?

[quiet bay]

yeah

[tall hollow]

Hmm

Filming also helps with the stem wobble

It reduces it a ton

[quiet bay]

I do want to film the switches

I just have to find the films

[tall hollow]

You will deform the films, but it turned out to be a non issue for me.

[quiet bay]

deform?

[tall hollow]

Like it won’t be in its original shape when you try to put it back together.

[quiet bay]

ah ok

that wouldn't be an issue for me

I wouldn't even bother taking them out

and I dont have any other mechanical keyboard to even use it on

[tall hollow]

It’s only an issue when it bends the rails inwards too much.

[quiet bay]

o

also do you know why my spacebar on the edges pings really high when i hit it hard

[tall hollow]

Usually this can be avoided by putting the films onto the bottom housing first and then snapping the switch together instead of the usual way of putting them on the top housing first.

[tall hollow]

Could also be a stabilizer issue

[quiet bay]

probably

ig i'll look into it tomorrow

[tall hollow]

I had to do a little wire balancing on my spacebar

[quiet bay]

Honestly i think it's the stabilizer itself and not the wire

they ping both sides except the middle

[tall hollow]

Eh, they’re just Gateron stabilizers

Pretty generic

[quiet bay]

im using tx stabs

[tall hollow]

Ohhhh

Holee mod those stabs

[quiet bay]

yeah I did do that

there's not any rattle I dont think it's just the pinging part

[tall hollow]

You clipped them right?

[quiet bay]

they were pre clipped

[tall hollow]

Oh huh

Stab pads?

[quiet bay]

band-aid

[tall hollow]

Ok ig that counts

[quiet bay]

maybe it's the stem of the stab

either that or its actually the wire

[tall hollow]

Could be, you pressed in your spacebar as far down as it can go?

[quiet bay]

yeah

ok it actually might be the wire

I really dont want to tune wires

I swear im going to bend it even more than it already is

[tall hollow]

Lol

[grizzled path]

oh hey there's been stuff happening while I was gone

[tall hollow]

Indeed

Like my sound test of a really deep sounding wooting

[grizzled path]

yeah bok bok bok bok bok

[tall hollow]

Lol

[tall hollow]

The spacebar tho

[grizzled path]

mine's so quiet now

annoying spacebar sound tho

[tall hollow]

I don’t like to mute the sound too much.

[tall hollow]

What did you do to get it to be so quiet?

[grizzled path]

tofu60 walnut, lubed everything inside the switches, case foam with one layer removed, kinda burger mounted

og foam I mean

[tall hollow]

I see

It’s probably the case that contributed the most.

And the fact that the switches are lubed

[grizzled path]

yeah the lubing did the most probably, I just did it 2 days ago. with the factory lube the sound was pretty high-pitched

[tall hollow]

Yeah

I also filmed and padded my switches

To get a deeper sound and to get rid of the rattle from the housing and reducing the stem wobble.

[grizzled path]

maybe someday I'll bother doing more, really want to get the wobble fixed for sure

but I broke like 5 switches so I'm not in a hurry to open this thing up again

[tall hollow]

Oof

[grizzled path]

or to be exact I broke the north-side clips on 5 switches, they work just fine and wobble as much as with the clip so it's fine

[lethal temple]

another sound retest that I had to boost the volume for

[stray tiger]

I prefer around 50a but anything works

[charred moss]

how good is case compatibility? i wanna do a case swap but i wanna make sure this keyboard is easy to swap, since some i've owned in the past have not been

[sinful pelican]

this is very easy to swap; also they announced they're working on their own aluminum case for this

[charred moss]

oh awesome

[near barn]

Hey, can anybody help me with a small problem i have with the wooting two he keycap/switch sounds?(not a modder so i'm not sure exactly what's it called)

[sinful pelican]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[near barn]

I'm trying to pretty much dampen whatever sounds possible, and although I've already put O-rings on the keycaps, there's a different sound that somewhat bothers me and i'd like to dampen it/remove it if possible

[near barn]

It's pretty much the sound of when you're holding a key all the way down, and then letting it go and the switch springs back up

[somber scroll]

Hot damn that space bar

[somber scroll]

https://scarff.id.au/blog/2020/silenced-kailh-speed-copper-switches/
Search for my comments in the #archived_wooting_60he and #996573707235491950 channels for various tips/tricks

You might also be hearing the spring ping? Not sure but the above mod deadens the clack back

[near barn]

just looked up what spring pinging is; i think this may be it? assuming it has to do with lubing the springs in the switch. If so, I read somewhere that these switches are pre-lubed, but im not sure if that's how all keyboards are and if theres anything else I should lube side from the spring

[somber scroll]

Check out the wooting video on YouTube about lubing their switches

They are prelubed at the factory but doing it yourself will yield better sounds

[potent smelt]

hmmm filming does make a big difference

https://clipchamp.com/watch/vDV9Bzuo8xp

unfilmed for reference https://clipchamp.com/watch/KUi5uH3zf8J

[idle shadow]

That is really a huge difference. Which film did u use

[junior mica]

Once all the screws are removed, how do we open de two HE?

*safely

[bronze grove]

You lift it up carefully. Lemme see if we don't have a video.

https://imgur.com/gallery/33yrVI3
Here's a step by step gallery at least. Should be able to wiggle and lift the top plate once all of those screws are off.

[junior mica]

I will check, thank you !

[bronze grove]

If you need to lift the PCB up, note the tiny grounding wire that needs to be lifted and put back afterwards.

[junior mica]

As I'm just gonna lube the switches, I only need to take out the top plate and can leave the pcb in the case, right?

[bronze grove]

Yep.

Just mentioning the ground wire in case it pops off by itself. Don't want to leave that hanging 😄

[junior mica]

Oh right 😅

[junior mica]

By which side should I grab the plate though?

As it is well inside the case and thus there's no real grip?

[bronze grove]

Uhh... good question. Haven't taken apart one of the big boys in quite a while. This video from the old, non HE model should work for you.

https://youtu.be/RFvjk42Q-IU?t=272

Timestamped since 95% of the video is for screws 😄

[junior mica]

Ah yeah, I've seen it, but wondered if the way he's holding it works for the newer versions.

Guess it is then, I'll try to figure out how he did it xD

[junior mica]

Done 😄

Now it's lubing time

Thx for the help Anders !

[bronze grove]

[junior mica]

Oh gosh you only realise how much there are only after taking them out 😰

[bronze grove]

[tall hollow]

Full size moment

[junior mica]

I'm in for a long ride indeed 😅

And now both birds are mocking me (pun intended)

[tall hollow]

Mhm

[bronze grove]

The whole process of lubing my 60HE took about... 4-5 hours. So I imagine you can tack an hour onto that.

Hope you got Netflix or some good tunes 😄

[tall hollow]

No, more like double time

[junior mica]

And judging by the fact it's my first time, I think I'll be there until tomorrow

[tall hollow]

Oh

[bronze grove]

Mine as well. So... definitely took my time 😄

[tall hollow]

For me it took a little longer, because I also filmed all the switches.

[junior mica]

Ho god the anxiety of not wanting to break anything

[junior mica]

What a Mad lad

Or bird rather

[tall hollow]

[river reef]

Full lubed my 60he today, took 4 hours

[dark saddle]

Just dip the switches into the lube itself

Saves a lot of time

Submergee

[tall hollow]

Ik a really lazy way, just use a syringe

[real warren]

Just inject them all with mineral oil

dont worry about corrosion you'll be fine i promise 🙂

[junior mica]

Oh god 🤣

[normal schooner]

fjell purple case

[gray shoal]

Any recommendations on case color with these caps?
Thinking e-white klippe t 60

[tall hollow]

E white is a good contender.

[gray shoal]

Think it would look nice and blue/purple would give nice pop. If I did ultramarine I think it not match the blues

[crude helm]

Ewhite, lilac, or silver would be my choices

[gray shoal]

Any suggestions on a lilac case for wooting 60? I haven’t seen any

[crude helm]

I think the ZT60 would work,, it's an e-purple coated case

[scarlet notch]

anyone know a good lube kit for the wooting?

[bronze grove]

Ours?

[junior mica]

I agree 😂

Srly though, that opener is gold

[kind flame]

anyone know if this case is compatible with the 60he

[bronze grove]

Yeah... I ain't clicking that 😛

Give us the real url.

[kind flame]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803337818326.html

ali express links super long

[bronze grove]

Only because you don't shorten them properly

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803337818326.html
See that first ? Everything past that is a tracking cookie.

[kind flame]

yeah i starting to see where i could of shortened it haha

[bronze grove]

Looks compatible at a glance.

[tall hollow]

nice!

[potent smelt]

I used durock films

[brazen thunder]

how did you get them on?

[gray shoal]

I didn’t think switch film worked with wooting lekker because of shape?

[brazen thunder]

well this guy did it so he must've gotten them to work good somehow

[gray shoal]

I never tried just what I thought I overheard on a YouTube video

[brazen thunder]

i heard the same thing from badseed tech video so im curious on how he did it.

[bronze grove]

Gotta cut films.

[vernal edge]

can someone show me the case compatibility list i cant find it anymore

[bronze grove]

Looking for a third party case for your 60HE? Look here! 🙂

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[vernal edge]

thank you so much

[tall hollow]

mine were already cut

lol

[iron jacinth]

Badseed Tech has voiced his concerns with the distance and operation of the Lekker switch getting messed up. That may be fine, but I wonder, if you go to a 1 mm actuation will it be 1,2 in total or something? The distance surely is increased. The question is: is there any downside to going beyond the 4,0 mm mark? Will the magnets no longer recognize the switch? Or is there a chance that the onboard drivers may fail with a value beyond 4,0 mm?

[vivid rampart]

need to re-pin this message as you and calder had in the 60he modding thread

[brazen thunder]

im not too sure how you would move the switch 4 mm, but i think that everything should be fine as long as the magnum cylinder that holds the magnet reaches the bottom of the housing like its supposed too, if it doesn't then i assume there will be a change in how far the switch can actuate, because you are physically limiting the range of motion the switch has.

same thing with switch pads, maybe the hall effect sensors would + .5mm, or something along those lines, I think that if the wooting team added a offset option in the wootility, that is if the hardware is capable, then it wouldnt be much of an issue. Than again, im not a keyboard engineer so i don't really know

[bronze grove]

Good point - If only people checked pins though 😄

[tall hollow]

lol so true

[patent gazelle]

Back to it! I might be too detail oriented for this.

[iron jacinth]

Oooh. That is a very organized lubing process xD

[junior mica]

Finally only 20 switches to go...
😅

[tall hollow]

noice!

[brazen thunder]

is burger mount worth it in the stock case?

[tall hollow]

another ducky!!??

anyways about that, not really, its a pain to get the USB port to align properly.

[brazen thunder]

ah ok

[junior mica]

Very sus

[zinc rune]

Question, using the standard USB-C to USB cable that came with the Wooting 60HE would there be any benefits of using a custom USB-C to USB-C cable?

[unkempt root]

damm wanted thos, but they're only avaliable in Europe

[bronze grove]

No.

[unkempt root]

anyone know good 60% caes fo rthe wooting60he?

Nothing over the price of the wooting

[quiet bay]

klippe t

[unkempt root]

anything else and is it good? could find any reviews on it]

[quiet bay]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f u can also just look at this list

[tall hollow]

Lol yeah

[quiet bay]

and yes it is good

[unkempt root]

how is it compared to the tofu60 and the blade60?

[quiet bay]

Its less hollow and has a bigger usb cutout

[tall hollow]

FB60 is a good contender too

[quiet bay]

^^^

[gray shoal]

Sadge lucky I got my order in when I did now it’s on pre-order. It’s being delivered tonight

[unkempt root]

Could you rephrase that, sorry I couldn't understand

[gray shoal]

Sadge =
I was lucky enough to get my order right when it dropped.
Now you have to pre-order the kit.
My set is being delivered tonight.

[storm cedar]

you did your stabs too, right?

[patent gazelle]

Yep, though mostly I just reapportioned the VERY generous stock stab lube.

It was mostly just in one spot in a big lump.

[mental hemlock]

i feel bad for you

[bronze grove]

Howso.

[mental hemlock]

the amount of times that you gotta copy and paste that or answer the easiest questions again and again

[shell geode]

I'm also looking to reduce this ping, as I am curious if there are alternative methods to adding silicone onto the switch housing

[bronze grove]

[bronze grove]

I'm customer support. It comes with the title.

Professional copy paster.

[mental hemlock]

haha

how has your day been

[untold wigeon]

Does anyone know if the Brutal 60 would work with the Wooting60he Pcb?

[unkempt root]

ohh ok thanks

[unkempt root]

theres a new one now the sasuke

[bronze grove]

Toss a link (to your witcher) with some pics of the case.

[untold wigeon]

to your witcher?

[bronze grove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-witcher-netflix-horseback-bard-gif-15889166

[untold wigeon]

OH.. okay don't mind me

[untold wigeon]

The Brutal60 CNC aluminum keyboard in our Brutalist Series of in stock keyboards. The compatible PCBs available are QMK/VIA supported and USB-C, and the mounting style is a slightly modified top mount called Burger Mount. Burger Mount takes the evenness from top mount and uses o-rings on the mounting screws to make the typing experience slightly less harsh.

[bronze grove]

That's an easy no. There are no mounting points to screw into.

[untold wigeon]

Ohh I see

[tall hollow]

That’s a gasket mount case sir

[untold wigeon]

I totally forgot about that part...

[bronze grove]

You would have to design and fabricate your own switch plate to slot into it.

[tall hollow]

Not tray mount

[untold wigeon]

Okay thank you I don't know why it took me so long to realize

[tall hollow]

KlippeT is a good case

So is the FB60

[untold wigeon]

Okay thank you for the suggestions I'm honestly so embarrassed that I forgot the wooting is a tray mount keyboard....

[tall hollow]

It’s ok

[thick mural]

hi all, does anyone know of any switch films that work with the lekker switch?

[tall hollow]

not that I know of, if you have a cricut you can probably make it yourself.

[upbeat delta]

The problem is this part here

And the fact that Lekker sliders are wider than normal

So films need some different shape to regular switch film, or you just use thick switch film that doesn't have a middle part and squish it in there. Doesn't look the cleanest, but kinda works.

[thick mural]

yeah im aware of why it doesn't work i just thought there might be some compatible ones out now since the 60he has become quite popular, i appreciate both of your guys' help and i may take ducky's advice and try making some of my own

[potent smelt]

you can get durock switch films to work, but they will end up deformed if you take switch apart again

[patent gazelle]

Mission accomplished!

[sour blade]

https://drop.com/buy/the-bongo-cat-acrylic-keyboard

lmaooooooo

[untold wigeon]

[sour blade]

only as a joke: maybe the wooting will fit

[junior mica]

Kb mounted back!

Finger crossed everything still works, but man it's night and day!

The switches are so smooth!

I didn't re lube the stabs for now though.

[patent gazelle]

Yeah I took a video earlier but I feel like my phone’s mic doesn’t accurately reflect what I hear with my ear.

It definitely sounds less clack-y but the mic picks up a lot of room reverb and high end… or maybe that’s just my phone’s speakers exaggerating it in playback?

[tall hollow]

nice!

[grizzled path]

good job

[patent gazelle]

Still, in-person I think it sounds very good. And this bottom case is solid enough to beat someone to death with. So there’s that.

I might get different key caps at some point but for now I’ve sunk enough into this keeb.

[grizzled path]

nice, though your bottom row freaks me out

[patent gazelle]

Haha, I’m a Mac user most of the time so I swapped keys around to feel more natural to me when I’m using Windows.

[tall hollow]

not bad!

[patent gazelle]

I can’t decide if I was over-conservative with the lube. I was so worried about over-lubing I feel like I might’ve erred too far in the other direction?

It’s also the first keyboard I’ve ever done this to, so.

[junior mica]

Keyboard is working, operation was a success!

[mental hemlock]

floating thumbs

[past mortar]

Does modding improve the keyboard at all or just for feeling?

[patent gazelle]

Yeah, never broken that habit, even from my piano playing days.

[somber scroll]

Feeling and sound. I guess performance could be improve imperceptibly if you lube cuz the switches might move imperceptibly faster lol

[tall hollow]

Epic!

[mental hemlock]

how

[grizzled path]

non-standard key placement

[quartz current]

Wat happened to ole channel?

[grizzled path]

should've probably pinned that

[past mortar]

you're saying only upgrade could be lubing it because it might make it feel slightly faster?

advantage wise

[grizzled path]

it might also make it slightly slower if you overlube

[past mortar]

Yeah I probably just wont lube it, was more curious

min max persay

[grizzled path]

but yeah basically it's just a feeling/sound thing, after lubing the switches properly they do feel a bit smoother but I dunno if that's an advantage performance wise

[past mortar]

Okay cheers for the answer

[patent gazelle]

It always seemed to me it was more about sound/feel than actual speed.

[grizzled path]

no worries, but if we think about it more deeply, if you have an optimal (for you) feeling setup with nice feeling switches, keycaps you like to press, then that can have an effect on performance for sure

[patent gazelle]

If there’s a speed difference one way or the other I suspect it’d be imperceptible.

[river reef]

Wont fit, I have it kekw

[junior mica]

Indeed, now I deserve a good night of sleep and hopefully I'll never do that again an a full size kb, gosh it took me almost 8 hours 😂.

[grizzled path]

the post-lubing clarity is fantastic though

[junior mica]

You're god damn right!

[tall hollow]

Lol

Well it’s worth the effort

[steel adder]

Are you me?? I also spent 8 hours lubing my keyboard last night, and ended up staying up until 5AM >.>

[tall hollow]

you got the 60HE

hes got the 2HE

[steel adder]

lol yeah i'm thankful i had less switches to do

all back together now

[grizzled path]

nice

pulls

[steel adder]

ah yes, the pull to eject tab ejects the...tab

[grizzled path]

would be better if it'd eject all the switches

[steel adder]

oh jeez

[quaint notch]

i lubed my keyboard

at first it felt nice

noticable

but after a week

feels like it did stock

almost like the lube wore out

got louder mainly

also insconsistent sound

some keys have a high pitched clack, while others are lower pitch

[tall hollow]

that is a telltale sign that you overlubed your switches.

[quaint notch]

that it gets louder

[tall hollow]

inconsistent sound is

[tall hollow]

and this

[somber scroll]

But also if you just filled your switches with lube, it wouldn’t wear out, but you would’ve overlubed. Just something to consider

[quaint notch]

idk

its sounding the same as it did before i lubed it

[tall hollow]

The nails on chalkboard type sound?

[quaint notch]

no

sounded like stock

loud

high pitched clack

[tall hollow]

What lube did you use? And how did you apply it?

[quaint notch]

i used the lube kit wooting has

and i did some on the sides of the blue switch piece

and some on the floor of the case

around the cylinder

thats it

making sure i saw no white globs, only a shiny layer

[tall hollow]

Did you get the rails and the top housing?

Oh and the springs?

[quaint notch]

i did the bottom of the spring

a little heavy on the spring bottom

i didint do the top housing

or the rails of the botom housing

so basically i only did the stem gliders, bottom of thje spring, and the floor of the bottom housing

[dry fox]

Was just looking for this lol

[untold wigeon]

Weird

You sure you didn't use 105g0 or use enough?

Another case could be you didn't lube enough and after using it for a bit it could have spread out causing it to sound like stock

Just my two cents

[quaint notch]

most likely underlubed it

[untold wigeon]

I like to go heavy on the lekker switches

Basically heavy coat on gliders and springs is good enough imo

Not like white glob levels but heavier than normal

[near barn]

just received my lube kit & switch opener, i plan on adding foam & housing films aswell but will let u know if lubing would help!

[quiet bay]

yeah I hate the ping on the return of the switch

no idea how to fix it tho

[placid wagon]

Anyone got any suggestions for stabilizers?

[stray tiger]

the stock ones

[shell geode]

My films came in today too! Durock films at 0.15mm and 0.3mm, will test to see which I'll need to use, but the search for reducing spring ping conitinues

[placid wagon]

They're goated?

[stray tiger]

Yes, they are great stock and as far as I can tell, the same as Durocks

[brazen thunder]

they have legs though

i just clipped mine and dremel it flat

[shell geode]

Since the spring ping is coming from the contact between the stem and the top housing, I figured I try to run a strip of tape on the inside that wraps around outside. Hope it works

[shell geode]

F key = stock, out of the box
D key = spring swapped and lubed
S key = taped, spring swapped, and lubed

[placid wagon]

Did you lube the springs as well?

[somber scroll]

Swapped to the 50g spring? Or aftermarket?

[shell geode]

Yup!

[shell geode]

I swapped to the 50g springs that Wooting has

Since the stems are wider, I am unaware if there are other springs that can fit the lekker switches

[somber scroll]

Yeah I’m not sure either. I think some people have gotten aftermarket springs but 1. They have to be wider like you said and 2. They can’t be a ferrous material lol. Makes it doubly difficult to find

[shell geode]

I prefer really light switches and I use Akko Vintage Whites in my main board which are 35g. Swapping to the 50g makes it feel closer but I'm up for even lighter if possible

[nocturne viper]

Does anyone know if you can just reuse the foam that comes with the 60He in a klippe case or will the fit be too tight?

[near barn]

hey anybody have any clue what this is & what i should do? planned on lubing my switches & noticed sometjing sticky

[shell geode]

That's the grease for the stabs. It's what you are recommended to lube your stabs with

[shell geode]

I'm not entirely sold on taping the sides yet, may have to try the silicone application, but the ping does sound slightly more muted.

FGH keys = stock, out of the box
ZXC keys = spring swapped, lubed
ASD keys = taped, spring swapped, and lubed

[junior mica]

True!

[junior mica]

Omg, on a 60 he 😱.

Honestly, the two HE was easier to dismantle (except it was kinda hard getting the top plate put but that's it) ^^.

[junior mica]

Noice!

[tall hollow]

You’re probably better of filming the switches than taping them.

[grizzled path]

film them doing the ol' in-out in-out and then force them to be silent by blackmailing

[tall hollow]

lol

[somber apex]

i've heard its a bit tight. I've got my Klippe case and still waiting for my wooting to be delivered this week, but I've made a 1.5mm silicone dampener in my Klippe and have some polyfill to experiment with once the Wooting arrives

[river saffron]

Which switch films work with the Lekker switch?

[tall hollow]

Lemme send a pic of what I used, it still deformed the films but they are effective at greatly reducing the stem wobble.

[grizzled path]

give me

[tall hollow]

The material is polycarbonate and it is 0.15mm thick

[river saffron]

Which brand is it

[tall hollow]

some amazon brand

I need to look back where I got them from

it came in a set of a bunch of other tools

that I had lying around

https://www.amazon.com/RUNJRX-Keyboard-0-53oz-Switch-Gateron/dp/B09GVPWBV7 well I found it

took a bit of searching through my purchase history.

[river saffron]

can I share this on twitter ?

[tall hollow]

got it about 1.5 years ago

[tall hollow]

well, its polycarb or HDV. the exact material isnt listed, but thats what I think it is.

[river saffron]

Perhaps we will have an white or beige version. No plans for silver at the moment

[tall hollow]

the 60HE yellow would be cool.

as a case color

[stray tiger]

@tall hollow help me understand a few things. Ive been in the keyboard scene for years and Ive never experienced switch films fixing a stem wobble issue. Switch films are made to fix housing wobble, but not stem wobble. See this image from this reddit thread for example (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/sex58b/for_those_of_you_that_say_films_help_with_stem). I want to make sure you're not referring to housing wobble.

The other thing Ive seen you mention is telling people to clip the legs off their stabs as a blanket statement whenever someone says they are having a stabilizer problem, but not only is clipping the legs not ideal for everyone, I've now seen 2 people in here take your advice and almost ruin their stabilizers.

To be clear, I'm all for experimenting, modding and helping the community grow, but we have to be careful not to push opinion as fact or blanket fixes that can actually make things worse.

[tall hollow]

housing wobble probably contributed to the stem wobble.

[stray tiger]

The wooting housings are some of the tightest stock Ive seen (maybe outside of the Holy Pandas), did you have housing wobble on a lot of your switches?

[tall hollow]

a bit.

its to the point where you can hear it creak almost.

it was quite strange

[stray tiger]

I think for films to affect stem wobble by fixing housing wobble, you would need some very significant housing wobble to begin with and I havent seen anything close to that in the few hundred lekkers Ive looked at.

[tall hollow]

dunno what happened with my batch lol

[stray tiger]

It could happen for sure, but if your housings are that wobbly, then I'd agree you had something wrong

[grizzled path]

all the switches fit and sit very tightly on the plate for me as well, the stem however is a different story

[stray tiger]

Yes, my lekkers do have stem wobble, no doubt about it. Films however are not going to fix that

[tall hollow]

about clipping, they're gateron stabilizers. they benefit from clipping.

[stray tiger]

How do they benefit? Specifically what is the problem you are solving when you clip them?

[tall hollow]

for me it fixed it, although that could be the fact that the films also bent in the rails slightly.

[stray tiger]

Ive clipped dozens of stab legs, so I know the answer. Im more asking you what it fixes that people here are experiencing

[tall hollow]

usually I point to holee mod

[stray tiger]

All Im asking is before you suggest a mod, make sure it's beneficial to the problem people are having. The stabs in their stock form (after lubing) are amazing for 95% of the people

[tall hollow]

but anyways, it helps reduce the sound the stabilizer makes when it bottoms out onto the pcb.

when you clip them

[grizzled path]

'

[stray tiger]

Ive only ever clipped stab legs to make them feel less mushy, Ive never had it reduce any sounds, if anything it's made it a little clackier as the legs tend to cushion the stab at bottom at (hence the mushy feel)

[tall hollow]

well I cant possibly control every possible variable lol

or know of them

[stray tiger]

Another thing is that while I love modding (and I waste a ton of money doing it), modding for modding sake because someone saw it on a youtube video is usually a bad idea. Mods should be done to fix specific problems or chase specific results.

These boards arent cheap and seeing people spend money to fix a problem that doesnt exists or chase a cure for something that cant be cured, hurts my soul a little. All Im saying is please be a little more careful about blanket fixes and statements.

[tall hollow]

well considereing every possible variable its hard to reccomend anything

[stray tiger]

I do appreciate your comments and activity though! I love your engagement and willingness to help!

[untold wigeon]

I mean as a person that tried clipping one of their stabs

I actually prefer the stabs with the legs tbh

[stray tiger]

For sure, often times its trial and error

[tall hollow]

there are alot of thing that have to be taken into account to be able to find a fix.

and its especially hard when you arent there in person to test it

[untold wigeon]

I mean if you have the ability modding it to try out and figure out what works for you isn't bad but at the same time a lot of stuff is kinda spending money on something that won't fix your problem

[stray tiger]

@tall hollow thats 100% true, which is why I was saying just be aware that a fix for you might not be a fix for someone else, it might make even make it worse. Just be sure you let them know the issue you had and what your fix was and why you think it fixed it. I try to ask a lot of questions to understand exactly the problem and for things like stem wobble, its not something you're going to cure easily if at all. If your films help and its because they are warped and pressed against the stems, that not a fix Id suggest for others.

[tall hollow]

well yeah, as seen with how your housings arent as bad as mine.

my housings werent very good for some reason with their tolerances.

[stray tiger]

Was that before or after you lubed them?

[tall hollow]

before I did anything with them

[stray tiger]

So your housing had significant wobble before you ever opened them to lube them? Yeah def sounds like you had a rare bad batch

[tall hollow]

it was quite strange yeah

[untold wigeon]

Mine are ok, definitively could use with less wobble but not the worst

What counts as significant wobble?

[stray tiger]

Yeah mine are acceptable, not the tightest, but in their stock form they are pretty tight. However most switches develop a little housing wobble after opening them to lube.

[tall hollow]

you could hear the housing creak on mine.

thats how bad it was

[untold wigeon]

If anybody could send a video to reference

[untold wigeon]

[tall hollow]

idk if it would merit a return or not. since it wasnt that big of an issue now that i fixed it.

[stray tiger]

Yeah that would help me understand too. The creaking, might not be due to wobble but if you see the housings actually wobbling in their stock form, thats bad

[tall hollow]

yeah I could see it move.

[untold wigeon]

Yea, just wondering if I should film mine to remove the wobble

@stray tiger Could you send a video of one of your switches?

[tall hollow]

depends, because now there are quite the variances between batches.

as what I observed

[stray tiger]

Mine arent filmed and the housing dont creak or wobble badly. They are within acceptable tolerances and on par with most of my other switches. The stem wobble is slightly worse than some of my other switches though. Maybe a box lekker design will be released next 🙂

[tall hollow]

initial designs for the lekkers were box style

[untold wigeon]

Yea ok sounds about righht

[tall hollow]

but after they weren't satisfied with their initial manufacturer they changed the design to acommodate gateron as a manufacturer.

hence they look a bit like omnipoint 2.0 switches.

[stray tiger]

Well gateron has box stems available as well, so lets hope for a Lekker 2.0 Boxed

[tall hollow]

heres what initial lekker engineering samples looked like

[tall hollow]

indeed

[stray tiger]

Speaking of switches, Im actually finally for the first time in 5yrs, organizing mine and labeling them lol

[tall hollow]

lmao

shouldnt be too hard to ID switches.

unless you got cloned swithces

[stray tiger]

No, I just mean taking them out of random bags putting them in bins with labels

[tall hollow]

oh, lol

[untold wigeon]

Nah it looks like outem

[tall hollow]

it does look like an outem switch lol

[stray tiger]

This is just one box out of 3

[untold wigeon]

I can see why they switched

[tall hollow]

yeah

[tall hollow]

thats alot of bags

[stray tiger]

Yeah it was getting out of hand soring through 3 totes to find switches I wanted. Picked up 20 of the small bins and Im finally labeling and sorting them

[tall hollow]

would probably make finding what you need alot easier.

[stray tiger]

It will for sure but will also take up more space. Gives me a day to kill some time and I'll probably build a keyboard later that Ive been putting off for a while

[tall hollow]

ooh, nice

[somber scroll]

Ugh I want this

Also if I had a super refined 3d printer I would totally try and print a box attachment lol. I’m sure it wouldn’t help at all but it seems like if you could get the specs right it could sit on the tiny ledge on the top of the stem

Probably like 1u of filament thick tho which probably wouldn’t be sturdy enough

[tall hollow]

Resin 3D printing?

You would still feel the print lines though

And it’s impossible to sand because they’re tiny.

[somber scroll]

Yeah theoretically. I would like to print PE (or whatever the “self lubricating” material is) but probably wouldn’t work

Yeah I guess injection molding would be necessary, but even then the pieces would be absolutely tiny lol

But really I just want box stems

[tall hollow]

I don’t think any of us here can afford precision injection molds

[tall hollow]

Maybe in the next generation of lekkers

[somber scroll]

Time to buy some box stems, cut them and the lekkers, and get to gluing

[tall hollow]

How are you gonna get the magnet on there?

[somber scroll]

Nah I’ll just cut the top off them both

Totally realistic mod

[tall hollow]

Lmaoooo

[somber scroll]

Also what if I did that and it still wobbles 🤦🏼‍♂️

[tall hollow]

Maybe it would wobble a little less

Who knows

[tall hollow]

you can totally put gasket maker on the rails and it would work

[somber scroll]

🤔

I’m thinking no 😂

Well. It wouldn’t wobble at least

Would it be usable? Probably not

[tall hollow]

it would feel so sluggish

[somber scroll]

Lol yeah. Lekker Quicksand switches 😂

[tall hollow]

also how did your gasket maker stuff help with the lekker clack?

[inner fossil]

Dude yes!!!! I'm late to respond but you guys STAY being #1

[quiet bay]

Oh crap thats awesome

Already prototyping a new wooting aluminum case!

[bronze grove]

[inner fossil]

Thought about buying one but I'm gonna wait now 🤗

Honestly I can see Wooting in the future taking a chunk out of the custom market. You guys offer a one stop shop for so many things and I want to see that happen, never rooted so hard for a company before

[twin citrus]

i've got a gk61 and i like the backboard

can i put the wooting pcb inside the gk61 backboard?

or case

[balmy minnow]

what if you ended up with clicky lekkers

...klikkers, if u will

[steel adder]

Sure!

[tall hollow]

Oh god No

[pliant cargo]

Can someone recommend me a good case that cost under $100 USD?

I've seen the compatible list but most are around 150 USD

[tall hollow]

FB60

they usually go for 80 USD brand new off of KFA

[pliant cargo]

Its Out of stock

[tall hollow]

darn.

PSD60?

[shell geode]

I ordered the Baka60 for $50, waiting for delivery sometime this week

[pliant cargo]

i see people complain about it being too hollow even with mods

[tall hollow]

HMM

oops

[shell geode]

You should hop onto the tofu60 waiting list if you don't mind waiting for it to come back at a later time

[stray tiger]

If you want aluminum under $100, good quality and in-stock, there are very few options. As they say, "You can have Inexpensive, Fast and High Quality. Pick Two"

[pliant cargo]

I'll stay on the tofu60 waitlist

[stray tiger]

So you have opted to go with Quality and Inexpensive and decided not to choose fast. Patience is always the best choice!

Since the Tofu60 original case is actually discontinued and not just out of stock, you may be waiting for... well forever. But Wooting has a new case coming sometime this year so that could be an option too!

[pliant cargo]

Have any recommendations for Quality and Inexpensive and not fast?

[tall hollow]

wootings own case

[pliant cargo]

Im looking for an aluminum case to swap with the plastic

[tall hollow]

wooting is making an aluminum case

or they're working on it.

[stray tiger]

Quality and inexpensive but not fast would be the wooting. If you're in the US, DM me and Ill point you to another option or 2 @pliant cargo

[shell geode]

Can you post a pic of the film applied on the housing? I want to see where I need to cut to make it fit. Thanks!

[tall hollow]

sure, just a fair warning that doing so might bend the rails inwards too much causing it to feel sluggish.

It’s kinda hard to see since the film is clear

[tall hollow]

there were a few times where I had to open the switch again and reposition it to not have it bend inward too much.

so I dont recommend doing this unless the housing wobble is really really bad

by really really bad I mean that you can hear the housing make unwanted noises when you move the 2 pieces around.

[patent gazelle]

Having been away from my keyboard for a couple days and coming back to type on it kind of drives home how nice it feels.

[shell geode]

Ah I see what you mean, also I've noticed the edges that the film sits between isn't flat either like regular switches

[tall hollow]

Yeah, that’s because the rails of the lekker switches are wider than normal Gateron switches.

So it deforms the films

[shell geode]

I wonder if Wooting has considered making Lekker films

[tall hollow]

dunno.

[zinc scroll]

Has anyone ever tried YMDK and knows if the cases fit?

[fiery oxide]

Hi im new to the keyboard modding, I just ordered my 60HE i wanted some custom keycaps with my own designs on them, whats a good site to use?

[zinc scroll]

WASD i guess has some options for custom keycaps @fiery oxide

[thin glacier]

I have the wooting 60he in ISO German Edition. I wanted to ask whether the Tofu 60 would work with my kb. Or does it only work with the ansi version?

[grizzled path]

it does if you can find the 1.0 version of tofu60

no difference in iso vs ansi in case compatibility

[thin glacier]

Thank you very much

Yes I just saw that it is sold out

[grizzled path]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f here's a list of known-to-work alternatives

[patent gazelle]

The Mekanisk Klippe T definitely works, I just transplanted my Wooting 60HE into it and it's like a glove.

I too liked the minimal look of the Tofu60 1.0 and was bummed to find it was sold out, but this was the next closest thing and the construction is definitely high quality. @thin glacier

[thin glacier]

Thank you guys 🙏 I will definitely consider buying one from the list

[haughty zinc]

Hello, I'm looking for keycaps in pbt profile xda, is it compatible with the wooting, if yes do you have keycaps to advise me ?

[sinful pelican]

Worth noting that you can also potentially wait since Wooting is working on their own aluminum case.

[junior glen]

anyone tried o rings?

[river reef]

As in o ring where

Theres burger mount, gummy ring mount

Also on keycaps

[sage flicker]

who can I pay to make my Lekker keyboard as silent as this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9k0YkiwgUk

lol :0

watch the end of that vid for the sound test

[junior glen]

on keycaps

[river reef]

Tried it

Didnt do much

[junior glen]

what brand did you try

and how many did you put on

[river reef]

Just one o ring

Glorious ones

The thing is they dont actually touch anything

No sound dif as well

[junior glen]

which thickness?

they made a lot

[river reef]

Thinnest i think

Thicker it fucks with actuation

[junior glen]

40A or 70A?

[junior glen]

have you tried 2 of them?

[river reef]

I can

70A

Wait no its 40A

So travel distance is like halved

Bottom out sound is gone

But idk why even bother

If you wanna do that i dont think you need a wooting

[untold wigeon]

Tbh I like wood better with the wooting compared to alu cases

[sage flicker]

hey dood, did you get those DMX clips yet? How are they?

[static tendon]

Hello everyone, looking into case swapping my future wooting 60he, any recommendations on cases?

I really like the Freebird60, is this case compatible with the Wooting 60he PCB?

[balmy minnow]

not yet. easter threw a wrench in delivery time lmfao

should be here tomorrow though

[somber scroll]

Rip. Interested to see how the feel and hear them

[unreal bear]

Theres no plate in existence that can replace the one that's already on the PCB right?

[unkempt root]

can you film wooting switches and is it worth it fo rthe wooting 60he?

[tall hollow]

Depends on how wobbly your switch housing is.

[tall hollow]

FB60 is compatible with the wooting 60HE.

[unkempt root]

should i then is it worth it?

is it compatible with all files?

[tall hollow]

As of rn there are no compatible films for the lekker switch.

If you try to put one on they warp and deform because the stem rails are too wide.

[unkempt root]

ok thanks

[untold wigeon]

I like wood cases but its preference

[haughty delta]

I've heard conflicting things about whether or not you can use foam pads under the switches.

I would assume not since they rely on a pretty consistent distance between the magnets existing?

I have some .5mm poron ones laying around from a previous build and was wondering if they would work with the Wooting

[patent gazelle]

As in between the bottom housing of the switches and the plate?

[haughty delta]

Yee

Or PCB, not plate

[patent gazelle]

Well, the switches don't touch the PCB, except for the positioning pins going through the holes.

And I don't believe the magnetized portion of the switch actually touches the PCB at full bottom-out either, so.

[haughty delta]

I just assumed that the foam would increase the distance between the magnets and cause them to not function correctly, but if they don't fully touch the PCB anyway there's probably room

I might try it

[somber scroll]

Iirc @tall hollow used .5mm pads and squished them down between some books for awhile to bring them to about .2mm thick

[haughty delta]

Oh that's a good idea

Thank you

[tall hollow]

*0.15mm polycarbonate films.

Not poron foam.

Oh wait pads

Yeah I used switch pads

My bad

They were about half a mm thick

And they were poron foam

[tall hollow]

They don’t, if they did the bottom out will be really loud.

[patent gazelle]

Yeah, that's what I figured.

I guess I'm not clear on what switch pads underneath on the PCB would really accomplish, besides adding another layer of sound absorption for ambient sound generated by other components.

I could see the plate foams making a bigger difference since they actually affect the mechanical coupling between the switch housing and the plate, but those would also lose you some of the range of the key travel, since presumably the top end of the Hall effect sensitivity tops out someplace near the top of the key travel.

So you might lose out on some actuation distance, commensurate with the thickness of the plate pads.

[tall hollow]

The keyboard does calibrate itself every time it turns on.

So it does have a little tolerance before it starts freaking out.

Just a little bit of tolerance

[patent gazelle]

Ah, makes sense. Still, seems like at some point you'd be fighting against the sensitivity of the sensors vs noise, especially as you move the magnets farther away from the PCB over their entire length of travel.

[tall hollow]

Mhm

[bronze grove]

The trouble with pads is that they're soft.

So the switch has a constant movement to it that it otherwise wouldnt - That throw's off the sensor potentially.

[tall hollow]

So far I had no issues with pads, although I’m not sure how it will do in the long run.

[bronze grove]

Of course results will vary - Especially on whether or not you're using Tachyon and more sensitive you've set the switches in the app. 😄

[tall hollow]

When on my FPS profile tachyon mode is turned on and the RT is set to 0.15mm down and 0.20 up.

[somber scroll]

Smh just glue them in. Switches don’t move then

[white flicker]

Hey I just wondering if I can use other keyboard case for the wooting two HE

(I'm purely a newbs on keyboard thingy)

[bronze grove]

No such thing exists. You'd have to fabricate something from scratch.

Keyboards are generally not something you can swap the case of.

It's more of a lucky happenstance with the 60HE due to the GH60 PCB standard becoming very popular and staying popular. Lots og different PCBs and this cases sprung up.

[white flicker]

I see.. thanks for the info!

But i can change the keycaps right?

[bronze grove]

Sure can.

[sleek grove]

Does anyone have experience using o rings on the keycaps? I don’t use the analog functionality of my 60he. I just set rapid trigger to the lowest setting. Will o rings impact the keyboard if I only use it that way?

[tall hollow]

Yeah, just be mindful to check if they are for north or south facing switches.

[sleek grove]

By analog, I just mean that I don’t use game pad mode

[tall hollow]

It lowers the analog range, specifically it increases the bottom out height, so as long as you don’t set the actuation point to the lowest setting you should be ok.

[sleek grove]

You mean don’t set it to 4mm?

I set it to .1 or .15 whatever the lowest value is

[tall hollow]

If you can get the thickness of the o ring you can find out how low it can go

[tall hollow]

Yeah

[sleek grove]

Okay cool

[tall hollow]

Preferably higher than the thickness of the o ring

[sleek grove]

Thanks for the info

Have you tried it yourself?

[shell geode]

https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0?v=5ec0b31c59db4a51b8a86a1288249e9f

[tall hollow]

Yes, you’d have to put in like a few lbs of force to squish the o ring enough to get the full analog range

But it’s not ideal

Also I don’t like the squishy bottom out feel

[sleek grove]

Yeah that’s my worry. I’m trying to figure out sound improvement techniques

I’ve case swapped with foam and tape modded and used silicon stand-off covers

Gonna lube it once the semester is over

Figured o rings were my best next bet

[tall hollow]

In my opinion it’s not worth the tradeoffs, but if you like it then that’s great!

[sleek grove]

That seems right. Do you have any sound improvement suggestions?

[tall hollow]

Honestly, it’s all preference

And seeing the amount of mods that you already did anything more might just bring more tradeoffs than benefits.

Although lubing the switches is always something you can do.

[sleek grove]

Yeah I’m looking forward to doing that once I have some time

[dense snow]

any way to pull out lekker switches without scuffing the paint on the plate?

[prisma zealot]

Hah no, don’t worry about it

Where can I find films that work with the lekker switches?

[dense snow]

as far as i know there’s no particular films that’ll perfectly fit the lekker switches however there are some that’ll fit with some bending/deforming and work fine such as tx films .15mm/.125mm

[stray tiger]

Unscrew the plate from the PCB irst and then just grab the switches carefully and wiggle them. Ive pulled mine out 10+ times and no scratching

[dense snow]

well…it’s a bit too late but i’ll keep that in mind for the next time! thanks

[lusty pine]

Hello, quick question: any specific keycaps are needed for the 60he?

[somber scroll]

#archived_wooting_uwu message
In the uwu channel but otherwise the same goes for the 60HE

[lusty pine]

thanks, seems that all normal keycaps will fit

[somber scroll]

Correct

[pliant mesa]

Aluminum case recommendations for 60HE? Originally wanted a Blade60 but it doesn't seem like it's in stock anywhere, and the Tofu60 1.0 seems like it's discontinued.

[normal schooner]

fjell case

[pliant mesa]

Recommendations preferably under $200?

[sleek grove]

Maze64

It’s out of stock unfortunately

Nice case though

[somber scroll]

Klippe T and FB60 (apparently klippe T is better than FB)
I don’t own either but those have both been larger name suggestions around here. Lots of no-name ones on aliexpress as well

[pliant mesa]

Got it, I'll look into all those. Is the Blade60 also being discontinued? I don't recall who, but someone was claiming that was the case on the subreddit.

[somber scroll]

Not sure tbh

[junior glen]

Anyone know the RGB value for white white? the current 255 255 255 is a blue-ish white

[untold wigeon]

Try turning the blue down then?

[normal schooner]

#FFF

[junior glen]

tried that, now its slightly yellow

[untold wigeon]

Turn up the blue a bit more then?