🔌│tech

[wheat plume]

My hotspot is the only wifi source I have for my desktop

[pale sigil]

well

at her other old home

[wheat plume]

I've moved out cause that was just for college semester
Mom's house is the only place I stay now

Unfortunately

[ashen spindle]

hm maybe, or dell is just bad in something they added somewhere

[wheat plume]

.-.

[astral haven]

Heck I even had this speed test happen when I was sitting under a tower
You can get this sort of speed using a cat19 or 5g router with high gain antennas angled right

And finally there are places that only have adsl as wired option

https://youtu.be/QCtFVkiIJMA

[shadow minnow]

There are places that have no wired option

Even then starlink has a big issue for many

Prices aren’t region based

So in like USA it may make sense

But in some countries the price is not good

[astral haven]

Read the title again

This is not satellite

[pale sigil]

There's a 10% chance ill get my deck pre order on Jun 23

[astral haven]

Ooh

How do you find out?

[pale sigil]

Distribution of order dates (All Thursdays assumed to be possible):
(alpha = 1)
Jun 23: 9.7%
Jun 27: 88.9%
Jun 30: 1.4%

User data sadly https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1TzC_cQIIhplKAd1ceHxABS9FFtFaoyMt#scrollTo=jYGsG-6HzxPy

but everyone uses this calc

[astral haven]

Most of the isp provided ones you mean

[pale sigil]

The UK is a fuck ton behind every other country

based off the data rn

[astral haven]

All the enterprise ones look like actual equipment like this

[ashen spindle]

forgot for a moment you're just talking about steam deck

[pale sigil]

500 comments on the order email post, only 2 UK orders

1626460585 - 17:36:25 GMT

is the most latest one i can see

pre order wise

seems to be moving a minute at a week give or take

[crimson wigeon]

omegalul

[pale sigil]

Apparently other countries got past day 1

ye

EU is on day 3

[wheat plume]

RIP
Atom text editor

2011-2022

;_;

[fair gull]

atom was dead when we got it

sucked ass

[empty wren]

Still beat Zeus eventually

[astral haven]

Oh geez

Us here :(

As of the second

[pale sigil]

Bit out of date

afail US is way ahead of that

[astral haven]

Here's today

[pale sigil]

i cant auto convert data lad

[ashen spindle]

I'm pretty sure you can convert that 49 hours is a bit above 2 days after release

[astral haven]

Yep
Right column is hours minutes seconds of latest confirmed email of each one

[pale sigil]

Oh

UK Bad

[astral haven]

Bad?

Way ahead of the us

[ashen spindle]

or uk just barely had any orders for the 64gb model

[pale sigil]

Only 64gb

What Quin said

I haven't seen a large amount on reddit

i did see a lot of regrets not getting 64gb tho

also US is HUGE compared to UK

[astral haven]

Almost noone got it

I don't understand why people wouldn't buy it and upgrade

It's cheaper...

[pale sigil]

That number is depressing

im pretty sure i saw orders past 35

[pale sigil]

People like me were to scared prob

[astral haven]

Fair

But also
Micro SD card?

[astral haven]

I have a 1tb already to be fair but 512gb msd cards cheeeeep

[pale sigil]

I didn't wanna have a large SD card and very little onboard

Also

I was concerned about system storage speeds

on the 64gb

For some reason though the eMMC chip is faster so i really do regret

[astral haven]

🤷 suppose that's why im one of the few with a 64gb reservation

[ashen spindle]

looks like zen4 will have more than just avx512?

[astral haven]

Also I've never seen an emmc nvme module for sale so I wanted it for that too

[astral haven]

Avx512 is alooot of things
They probably will have int8 or int16 which isn't part of base avx512

[ashen spindle]

he did drop VNNI

[astral haven]

Drop?

[ashen spindle]

drop the word in the talk

oh they say zen5 is coming in 2024, not even leaving room for 2023 rip

smh amd working on all this human dna manipulation, I knew big tech was up to no good

[astral haven]

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/x86/avx512_vnni
There are vnni avx extensions

[ashen spindle]

ohh rdna3 and cdna3 news

ngl I kinda miss the codenames, rdna4/zen5 is just boring xD

[crimson wigeon]

Also the fishy codenames used in open source drivers

[cursive summit]

5c?

[ashen spindle]

yes the followup of 4c

[cursive summit]

5c is like a mini version for thin and light compute or something?

I didn't even know 4c existed

[ashen spindle]

gpu is dead long live the apu

[crimson wigeon]

Great, can't wait to slap an APU in my computor instead of GPU, get more GPU and CPU power what's not to like

[astral haven]

Price?

[ashen spindle]

about tree fiddy

[astral haven]

K

After using the most linear keyboard for a while, I wanna now go the most clicky

God ive spent more on switches than actual boards

[ashen spindle]

but its going to look funny, similar to nvidias grace+hopper combos

[sudden glacier]

i still have a hand full of clicky flaretech switches

[ashen spindle]

but unlike nvidia it will have unified memory

[astral haven]

Under the ihs who cares

Unified memory is neat

Radeon threadripper hype

Lol

[ashen spindle]

also dear god what is that vrm I just noticed that

might just be a render

[astral haven]

Pretty normal

H100

density

[astral haven]

Wooting 2 here :/

No clicky option 4 me

And even if there was I probably wouldn't get it because it would probably be clickjacket still

[sudden glacier]

Yea flaretech is no more, very sad

[astral haven]

Metal clicks or nothing for me

[sudden glacier]

but in the end we got lekker switches because of it, which changed the scene completely for the better

[astral haven]

Yep

So smoooth

But
I still like my clicky linear coppers

[sudden glacier]

with how much wooting is growing, it might not be too unreasonable now to see them and gateron work together on clicky HE switches

[astral haven]

This looks so sweet imo

Now to just wait a month for it to ship

[astral haven]

@BigBrainAFK#0001
Ok so apparently there is a Linux distro that is basically hyper-v server
It's called xcp-ng and to manage it you use this program called xen orchestra

[final flame]

got to see this beauty at infocomm today

Samsung sure loves to show this display off

[empty wren]

Ah yes the modular tv

[fair gull]

so slightly worse proxmox

[old marlin]

the crust

[pale sigil]

My friend is getting his deck today and conveniently I'm passing his house later

@wheat plume

[halcyon moss]

you're in ireland?

[wheat plume]

Jealous

Af

[halcyon moss]

q2 is ending soon.. im q2

[wheat plume]

I'm q4 ;_;

[halcyon moss]

oof

[pale sigil]

July is end of Q2 for valve

[halcyon moss]

no its not you filthy liar

[pale sigil]

Look at the calculators

[halcyon moss]

you mean the guestimators

[pale sigil]

What's your reservation code?

[pale sigil]

One is extremely accurate

[fair gull]

u mean the one where steam tells u its ready?

ya i heard that omes creepily accurate

[fair gull]

@ashen spindle wanna hear a funny story?

[ashen spindle]

sure

[fair gull]

so the ram that wasnt working together

i got a replacement from our partner and they send the exact same ram sticks as we had OEM

same problem

put all in no dice

[ashen spindle]

as a validated 4x kit or was it 2 2x kits again

[fair gull]

２x

but

i suspect maybe the cpu kinda dead

cause we called lenovo and they also only send 2x kits same as already in it

so this is how you officially upgrade it

[ashen spindle]

maybe, but also there is a reason 4x kits exist lmao

[fair gull]

lenovo doesnt send you 4x kits

unless u full replace

[ashen spindle]

oh dont remember, did you test the 2 sticks alone in 2 different slots?

[fair gull]

yep

i wiggled the cpu a bit after taking it iut and outting it back in

so far no errors

[ashen spindle]

then I still say 70% because not validated 4x and maybe 30% controller of the cpu sucks

what cpu is it?

[fair gull]

i7-11700

the lenovo rep was as confused tho

[ashen spindle]

idk, its quite normal for budget kits I think

add in that the cpu might have a imc that can just barely handle the min specs

[fair gull]

lenovo wants 160bucks for those 2 sticks

[ashen spindle]

lolololo

[fair gull]

i dont call that budget

[ashen spindle]

well, quality wise it's nothing special

[fair gull]

exactly

[ashen spindle]

wasnt it just 3200 8b sticks

[fair gull]

yep

imma bet its more the whole they know it works

[ashen spindle]

aside from when it doesnt

[fair gull]

correct

lets see what passmark says

imma do 2x 4 runs

with a cold boot inbetween and total power removal

[ashen spindle]

geizhals shows 2x8 3200 is as low as 54€ lmfao

[fair gull]

exactly

thats basically what we paid with our partner

63 eur or smth

btw they were as confused

basically no one knows whats up

i hope its seriously just a bad cpu connection that caused it

otherwise id have to return the entire thing and wait for a replacement

[ashen spindle]

dam you can even as a lay person see that M2 is almost the same as M1 lol

[halcyon moss]

they moved stuff around though

and got a nice tree

[fair gull]

quin

bad news

lenovo and our partner will be even more confused

cause im out of ideas aswell

lol

[ashen spindle]

lol

do you have a different 4x kit you could try

[fair gull]

btw its stacking up more errors rn

[ashen spindle]

thats 4x right now?

or just 2 sticks

[fair gull]

all 4

i have never gotten all 4 to even make 1 full pass without errors

[ashen spindle]

but it can go to bios/boot or does it never go that far?

[fair gull]

not always lol

sometimes it doesnt even boot to logo

already hangs in post

[ashen spindle]

do you have a different system where you can run memtest on

would make it clear if its the ram or cpu/mobo

[fair gull]

hmmm

thats a good idea actually

when u leave to pee and come back to 170+ errors

[ashen spindle]

should've not taken the pc to the toilet with you

[fair gull]

ikr

[halcyon moss]

time to send that pos back. and get a working replacement

[reef patrol]

Must have been the wind... I mean solar flare.

SUN SPOTS

[fair gull]

232

and ofc the only other ddr4 system i could test them in have a total of 2 slots

and passmark crashed

or well memtest

[ashen spindle]

meme'd test

[fair gull]

well guess ill have to

pray

or some shit

[astral haven]

Apparently it's much better for enterprise use because one orchestrator can manage a ton of hypervisors
And support is paid per instance of orchestrator

[ashen spindle]

aaand my right side speaker on the rift is dead

valve pls I need deckard now

[pale sigil]

I'm house sitting so my mate doesn't miss his Steam deck 🤣

He has to take his mum to hospital XD

I'd hate myself If I let him lose out on it for another week

[wheat plume]

Oo..

[pale sigil]

Wtf

Delivery got cancelled

[ashen spindle]

[crimson wigeon]

omegalul

[pale sigil]

Maybe they'll still deliver it but the last I saw the fucker was around the corner for ages

Staying in one spot

Should have gone over but didn't wanna risk it

Mother fuckers

So annoying XD, I'm mad for my friend, he's gonna come home proper disappointed

[empty wren]

What a printer motherboard

Yes

Octopus pro

[fair gull]

no thats a not an octopus

[empty wren]

So most of the rat rig stuff arrived today, just missing one box

[fair gull]

its a pcb

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/06/novel-techniques-in-never-before-seen-linux-backdoor-make-it-ultra-stealthy/

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/techno-chicken-dance-gif-19408392

[fair gull]

so

linux is the safest os right

[empty wren]

Yes so long as you use your own privately made distro

[ashen spindle]

that we're just poking fun at linux and it not being an actual question

I guess the reply might've also been sarcasm potentially

[fair gull]

yes and yes

10points for griffindor

[ashen spindle]

well yours I knew, just not used to non serious replies from thel so I didnt think about the possibility xD

[astral haven]

Can't you remove and replace them?

[ashen spindle]

well its not the speaker, the speaker works on the other side but neither work on the right side

so its gotta be contact or something inside the band

[astral haven]

Aw sad

[ashen spindle]

just worked around it by removing both and just using my regular headphones lmfao

but not ideal

[astral haven]

Yep

I mean I don't use my index speakers either

[ashen spindle]

but beat saber with sound from one side just omega sucks lol

[astral haven]

Does the rift have a headphone jack?
If it does you could try to find our lord and savior mh755

[ashen spindle]

nope

just that

[astral haven]

Riperino
The index has a hidden jack in addition to the exact same system for attaching their heapdhones

[pale sigil]

Pretty sure the rift s has one

And the cv1 kinda had one but it was stupid to use

The wire being capable and you had to diy or something

[ashen spindle]

but uh, that wouldnt matter anyway

how would that repair the issue

[astral haven]

Mh755s are better than the koss built ins and are lighter
That way you don't need to use full size headphones

[ashen spindle]

oh I could never do in ears

[astral haven]

🤷 get rekt rhen

[ashen spindle]

gib deckard

[astral haven]

I checked my cv1 and yea no 3.5mm holes

[astral haven]

Same

[final flame]

er2

[astral haven]

God no

[ashen spindle]

[final flame]

yes

[astral haven]

Etymotic er2

[ashen spindle]

thanks I dont want an alien anal probe gun as headphones either

[astral haven]

They are very surprisingly comfortable

[final flame]

once you get over the whole sticking it in deep thing

[astral haven]

They look like they should feel like someone sticking a spike in your ear but instead they just feel like wearing earplugs with the downside of pulling out your eardrum when you try to remove them

[final flame]

pull on your ear to break the seal, and pull them out slowly. that's what I do

[astral haven]

Cope

They don't even sound that good

[ashen spindle]

anything that goes deeper than the apple ear pods I dont like

[final flame]

the tuning is very neutral what do you expect

[pale sigil]

I was just responding to your message that's all

[astral haven]

Have you tried foam tips?

[astral haven]

I use the xr
It's not the tuning because I spent a while on the eq

I mean idk it might be the tuning

[ashen spindle]

no because I dont want to shove my sennheisers into my brain

[astral haven]

You should at least try some foam tip iems

[final flame]

I use the xr too after a bit of a subbass bump they are quite fun imo

[astral haven]

Yes but they still don't sound as good as the chu

[ashen spindle]

I think using the regular ear pods for the few times I take the train to go into the city is more than enough, dont really need high quality audio there

[final flame]

I should be getting my chu soon

[astral haven]

🤷
Not having to hear everything around you is nice

[ashen spindle]

I'll survive the 15 minute it takes xD

[astral haven]

Lucky you with your short commute :/

[ashen spindle]

well, to my work place its just 10 😛 15 is half way through the city 😛

[astral haven]

-_-
Next time you consider an audio product, consider iems, if you don't like rubber, foam is very nice

You can get insane amounts of quality for super cheap

[final flame]

only issue with foam tips is they're going to have to be replaced every once in a while

I like spinfit tips personally

foam tips also change the sound a bit

[astral haven]

https://sony.encompass.com/item/12808872/Sony/5-025-921-02/
Sony gives me them for free since I bought one of their products

[ashen spindle]

yeah maybe, not like I'm going to get any anytime soon anyway since home office wont end for quite some time anyway

[astral haven]

Lucky you
I'm on a rotation now

[ashen spindle]

we have like 3 times more people than office spaces now, just wouldnt work lol

[astral haven]

Tbh wfh makes a ton of sense for most office jobs

[astral haven]

Yea the sonys use a silicone core and closed cell foam to avoid that

[empty wren]

👀

[astral haven]

Oh my god

Apple is getting in on predatory lending?

[ashen spindle]

no surprises there

apple card was just the first step

somehow make a premium card and now you get people who'll take worse loan deals just to pay them via apple card rather than using a normal card with better deals lmao

[empty wren]

Eve bit the apple then Adam did too then sheeps bit it

[astral haven]

They perform like $300?
Imo all the audio products are beyond overpriced

If you sound worse than a $20 set of iems, you can't be anything but overpriced for $300

But anc itself doesn't help much if your passive nc is bad

There are professional products that have over 35db of passive nc
Which is 10db better than the airpods pro...

Wow what a terrible consumer you are /s

You don't just buy the newest revision of the apple air whatever's on release?
How shameful

[empty wren]

I think we are the point probably a few years now, where the newest is barely even better and devices actually last pretty long.

[astral haven]

Uh

Definetly not in the audio world

Noone pays any attention to the battery lifetime of their headphones for example

[empty wren]

Right, I always found it silly people just jumped to airpods when earpods where a thing

[astral haven]

Earpods we're cheap, poor sound quality and not stylish any more

Airpods were expensive poor sound quality and stylish

Now it's not stylish to have the regular ones

[empty wren]

Fair point but airpods got easily lost, do not see how charging was any fun but alright

[astral haven]

you dont really notice the charging

[empty wren]

Well maybe by now

But before the case had to be charged with a cable

[astral haven]

you dont notice that either

its just like charging your phone

[little raptor]

You ordered 21 of May and they got sent today?

I ordered 24th of April and still nothing

But I have mic version.

[final flame]

nope still not sent yet, at least from what the shop app is telling me

[astral haven]

I ordered April 24th and got mine may 9th lol

[pale sigil]

i ordered mine never and wont ever get it

sucks

[astral haven]

You should order them

[pale sigil]

AI is cursed

[final flame]

you got it off eBay that's why, I bought mine off of Shenzhen audio

[astral haven]

That was the Shenzhen audio eBay store...

[final flame]

still nothing from aftership

I dont think the acrylic stand is the issue

[mild dome]

If Thanos was in destiny he would be a strike boss. However before you kill him he escapes in a Thanos copter.

Then you would fight him again in the raid, but rather then killing him the guardians deal the final blow by reading out a restraining order from Death herself. This leaves Thanos distraught and crying while the guardians t-pose over him

[fair gull]

wrong channel buddy

[fair gull]

https://www.razer.com/respawn-by-razer/respawn-by-5/RZ36-02441400-R3U1

[toxic moth]

it even makes your eyes glow

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tachyum-teases-128-core-cpu-57-ghz-950w-16-ddr5-channels

That brand is not a name I'm familiar with

That some company AMD licensed the x86 license to?

[ashen spindle]

Read the article you posted and you would know what it is

[crimson wigeon]

Imagine reading more than the headline

[astral haven]

That's funny
In order cores that use compiler magic to run out of order

[wheat plume]

It goes under the notch xd

[cursive summit]

Pretty sure it says nowhere what chipset it runs on and what it's based on

It can run Linux so it must be some sort of x86

[ashen spindle]

well that's mostly because cpus dont run on chipset ?

either way the article does explain what it is

[cursive summit]

Yeah I need more of a layman's terms explanation

Don't really get how all the in and outs work when it comes to that

[ashen spindle]

it literally says in the article what cores it has so idk how clearer that can get

[fair gull]

no?

[cursive summit]

Hm I liked when you said bo more

[fair gull]

have u ever heard of arm?

hint: its not x86

second hint: it runs linux natively

[cursive summit]

That I didn't know

Though wait Snapdragons run Windows

So yeah I suppose they can do that

[reef patrol]

🅱️ 🅾️

[fair gull]

cause there is windows builds for arm

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/overview

[ashen spindle]

I only like LEGS cpus personally

[fair gull]

im more of a head person

[ashen spindle]

Heterogeneous Exascale Accelerators for Data ?

[fair gull]

yes

[ashen spindle]

CHUNKY

[crimson wigeon]

MORE

[reef patrol]

Noctua 3090 I assume?

With actual 120mm fans.

[ashen spindle]

3080, 5 slot

would be something worth looking at when next gen comes, good performance but also very easy to maintain, basically just two noctua fans slapped on top of the cooler

so just 3 screws and you can easily fix/clean/maintain the thing

[pale sigil]

Match made in heaven

[lavish ether]

Is it normal that if u choose avr at wooting 60he that u can’t choose air freight?

[pale sigil]

Yes

The 60he is already being shipped out etc

The avr I mean

So it's to late

Any orders will default to cargo ship

[lavish ether]

Yeee I ordered it like 2 weeks ago

And when are they going to be shipped to me?

[ashen spindle]

#📦│batch_updates

[pale sigil]

@lavish ether July

If you're none air freight

[lavish ether]

k yes i couldnt choose it so

[fair gull]

most likely cause you ordered after the cutoff

which was way before they finished MP

[fickle ore]

Any takes on: good, low latency, small, microphone? I need a new one

[fair gull]

how small

and usb or xlr or aux

[fickle ore]

smaller the better, 3.5 mm connection preferably

[fair gull]

ngl idk of any good quality 3.5mm mics myself

[mild dome]

Desk mounted or headphone mounted?

[fickle ore]

Small

even ceiling mounted will do

[fair gull]

so u need a spy microphone

like inside the wallsocket small

[fickle ore]

idk something that doesnt make my setup ugly 😛

I have no idea what most ppl use

[mild dome]

What are you using it for? Voice chat?

[fair gull]

i mean i just use an NT1000 on a rode psa1

didnt really care about small

just quality

[fickle ore]

yea discord voicechat

[signal river]

I’m from uk and chose air freight for 60he so when am I going to expect it?+ordered arm

[ashen spindle]

september or so, also wrong channel

[signal river]

Sorry

[cursive summit]

https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/10/apple-m1-unpatchable-flaw/

[formal vortex]

always speculative execution. its been how many bugs now? intel is king in these

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle i take it back

SGF ads were next to nothing vs pc gameshow

[ashen spindle]

hahaha

[crimson wigeon]

MANA
GAME THE SYSTEM

[pale sigil]

was it this bad in the past...

i forogt

[ashen spindle]

ya

[crimson wigeon]

Disappointed with the lack of crypto sponsors to be honest

[pale sigil]

dem NFTs yo

nothing is unique anymore

[ashen spindle]

true, need nfts to make it unique

[pale sigil]

THis has honestly been the worst NoneE3 ever

[ashen spindle]

in terms of whats announced I disagree

in how they do the show idk, dont really care about that part

[pale sigil]

nomeres times

[ashen spindle]

what

[pale sigil]

What announcement was good to you?

[pale sigil]

When he said numerous times xD

Accent sounded like Nomerous

[pale sigil]

No dig or anything

actually asking

[ashen spindle]

darktide, silksong, callisto, aliens, stormgate, fort solis, goat simulator, cuphead dlc

[pale sigil]

nice!

[ashen spindle]

then tere are a few that I dont care about like street fighter but thats a big title for others

[crimson wigeon]

How's this tech anyway

[pale sigil]

Oops

[ashen spindle]

good question

[pale sigil]

I didn't realise it was the tech channel

[ashen spindle]

but to round it up I htink it feels weird to call it the worst if it's more of a personal preference of other things

definitely had shows were the overall level just was lower, regardless of what sort of games one was looking for

[final flame]

just got my chu today

I don't believe this is 20$

[astral haven]

thanks to the mh755s, i wasnt that surprised, but it was nice to see there is a modern alternative

[arctic hedge]

Undervolting is so worth it

Managed to take 13W off of my CPU

and even increase multithreading performance a bit

tiny drop to single threaded

[little raptor]

Nice!

[old marlin]

man I sure love raspberries that report 100% disk usage without being able to find wtf the problem is

[halcyon moss]

have you tried iotop ?

[old marlin]

it is already fucked

need to set it up again

du was sure that some language files one here were 256GB and so on

some file was even 512

[fair gull]

why dont u pxe boot ur pis

[halcyon moss]

you probably nede to install it first

[old marlin]

?

a

uhh

idk

never bothered to do so lol

don't feel like it is worth it now

only thing that kills them is usually especialyl good SD cards

and I feel like i sussed all of those out by now

[halcyon moss]

iotop isnt installed by default (at least it isnt on my ubuntu)

[fair gull]

depends on the application since ud save on sd cards in general

[old marlin]

so how should I install it

[fair gull]

so if its just a webpage or smth its easier to pxe boot

[old marlin]

ig

but I would need to invest time in setting up pxe now

and for now at least it seems like there won't be more coming

[halcyon moss]

What are you running on the pi?

[old marlin]

if I had to redo the entire thing again it would be different

[old marlin]

they just are attached to monitors in production

and show some images

[halcyon moss]

which distro

[old marlin]

default

just regular raspberry pi os

[halcyon moss]

and that might be... ? :p

[fair gull]

just delete the 256gb files from the 16gb sd card to make room for iotop

[old marlin]

entire thing is just giga taped together

[old marlin]

based on debian

[fair gull]

debian

[halcyon moss]

apt install iotop

[fair gull]

as all things should be

[old marlin]

I think some essential files were market as such

how should I install soemthing

if I got no space

[fair gull]

love how drakonen ignored that part

[old marlin]

I got 56MB according to du

but can't even do sudo correctly

[fair gull]

pretty sure the sd card is just rekt

[old marlin]

I also assume so

[old marlin]

entire setup is giga cursed

one of them has to show a website and also some other shit

so it just screenshots it with chrome

[halcyon moss]

yeah.. i did apparently...

[old marlin]

also have to use rclone

[halcyon moss]

time to save the usefull stuff and nuke the sdcard

[old marlin]

since feh (the image viewer i use) doesn;t support 64 bit filesystems

somehow

[old marlin]

nothin useful on there

just don't have a psu rn to set up another one

[fair gull]

tmw u dont have a usb-c cable

[old marlin]

I have a cable

[halcyon moss]

anyway.. ubuntu dist upgrate is done. rebooting time

[old marlin]

nothing to plug it into to supply it with enough power tho

[fair gull]

oh only usb-a on ur pc

sad times

[old marlin]

also I think all pi 4s are the cursed pre-update ones

[old marlin]

and dock

but that isn't enough for a pi

[fair gull]

i usually use my c port since its barely enough

but enough for setup

[old marlin]

got the dock on that

[halcyon moss]

and back.. lets find out how my dev env is broken

[old marlin]

fun

[halcyon moss]

goddamn this laptop's usbc connection

i got this screen with a usbc hub, but its currently not charging my laptop.

oh now it is. the fuck

[old marlin]

Lol

I love displaylink

[halcyon moss]

well the displayport daisy chaining is nice

volta and node were dev borked

and google cloud sdk

[old marlin]

full drive day for me today

second device already

got the feeling it writes tiny af logs somewhere

and it is like a trillion of them

found 3 million files already

windirstat crashed

treesize seems to work

but is slow af

4 million files

last million was not even 100MB

still at 12.9GB

fml

am at 5 and a half million

and still no increase

machine server

so prob the server software for that

7.5 million

still at 12.9GB

[fair gull]

time to link some dirs to /dev/null

[old marlin]

no

they gotta fix their shitty software

[fair gull]

yes

[old marlin]

how come they have 3k machines over the world

[fair gull]

they all get replace after 2yrs

[old marlin]

and their newest software is still this fucking broken

[fair gull]

no one notices

[old marlin]

na

got some running on the "newest" hardware aka S7-1300 running for like 15 years now

or whenever the 1300 came out

10 million btw

[fair gull]

machines?

or eur

[old marlin]

windows

dunno what dir it is still

[old marlin]

files

requires me to know what fucking folder it is

treesize is not liking it

the GUI is not updating

[fair gull]

using treesize not windirstat

smh

[old marlin]

a

[old marlin]

crashed

so I am using it

amazing

found them I think

[fair gull]

not enough ram

[old marlin]

amazing

1kb log files

[fair gull]

lol

[old marlin]

some rfid reader

that just spammed them

and then deleted them on an update

but their software copied them all

guess I gotta wait

it is a fucking machine software

ofc it isn't cheap

the machines alone costed as much as the building they stand in

no even worse

we got a total of 15(?) machines from them

and from all I know none of them use exactly the same software as the next

they all are on different version

which sometimes behave fundamentally different

and not as sold obv

for the more complex ones

huh

ok only found like 200MB of them

which was 680k logs

it is not revisions

like we built 2 very similar machines on the newer site at the same time

and one of them just got unstable software

and some non-visible stuff in regards of how logins work etc just works different

even though they were built etc at the same time

they know people basically got no options

there is only one alternative

and they are antiquated af

na sector is dying atm

electroplating in germany is already stupidly cheap

[pale sigil]

Says the guy who seems to be in one every day

[old marlin]

as soon as the chinese catch up in quality (so in like 15-20 years) the industry will collapse

it will basically completely die

covid already killed 6 of our direct competitors

it might continue to live in a lower wage country

but not germany

[old marlin]

as in some eastern euro country

too much rng involved for guaranteed short turnaround time anyways

well I work in IT

even if hte company goes belly up I can just go to a different sector

• company is trying to widen their market atm

death by users?

wdym

a

well doesn't matter to me

ik how bad the industry is rn already

if we get told by customers that we "actually have to measure each batch (which we do anyways)" because of some regualtor testing

because out customers know some suppliers don't even have the measurement devices needed

then you know the industry is fucked

ignoring it

btw

I think treesize GUI is not updating

I love it

luckily not the boot drive

na I am gonna find out what it is

tell the guy on the phone

and it ain't my problem anymore

[pale sigil]

Just be the problem

[old marlin]

oh god

I found it

more logs

[pale sigil]

Idk but my discord log folder is 5gb rn

80% of it is @shadow minnow deletes prob

[old marlin]

some crucial data

it is just an RFID sensor reporting whatever it scanned

and there is a tag placed right above it

special part about that machine is that it got some swappable baths

but not implemented atm

dunno why that has to get logged tho

[crimson wigeon]

Because gotta log everything

Crank that verbosity to the max, better yet don't have such controls!

[old marlin]

you could just log a start and end

we already log everything relevant

but in an actual database

only got a few million entries

altho

might be billion by now

which

out database is basically constantly accessed

we keep them all since they are prob gonna be important for a future project

government funding is the best kinda money

for AI bs

got quite a dataset to crunch through

all integrated in a grafana as well

works very well

no problems with speed etc

works well to have a quick look at bath values like temperatures etc

• alerting

what is wrong with either of those

[wheat plume]

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/06/09/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-25136/

TABS

[old marlin]

eh

[wheat plume]

TABS
IN FILE EXPLORER
FINALLY

[old marlin]

I personally don't care if it gets used or not

do you know splunk?

a

well

grafana is Open source web panel

for data logging stuff

for visualizing

quite good

splunk basically does the same

but costs money

the sensors don't log at all

if the machine does some bs at like 3am we need to be able to understand when an error occured

and gets updated basically as often as possible

once a second iirc

didn't do the integration of that

timescaledb is stupid efficient for that tho

[wheat plume]

Thought this was Firefox for a second due to the tab design

But no
Edge stole Firefox proton UI

[old marlin]

how many times did you talk about exactly that in exactly this channel before

[wheat plume]

This is the first time I've seen it in a youtube video

So it's fully implemented for the public now it seems

[old marlin]

second time

thought it was the third

[wheat plume]

Yep

I'm watching a video about the tabs in explorer

They don't work yet ;_;

But the plus button is there

[halcyon moss]

goddamn nvidia optimus. just wasted an hour on super slow performance

[fair gull]

bruh

[halcyon moss]

next laptop will not have an nvidia gpu

[ashen spindle]

well looks like zen3+ laptops are finally in stock at some places at least

[halcyon moss]

and the new zen 4 will be out end of this year apparently

[ashen spindle]

not in laptops

thats usually CES launches

[halcyon moss]

news around it was confusing

[ashen spindle]

ces is usually laptop launches for amd and intel unless something big happens after, zen4 will be out for desktops and server this year but not laptops

[halcyon moss]

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/amd-plans-extreme-new-dragon-range-gaming-laptop-cpu-for-2023
seems to agree with that

i wonder what the thunderbolt support would be for that cpu.

[ashen spindle]

well they will ahve usb4, so at minimum whatever is in that spec from it

well, thats what they have on current gen so I would imagine better support on zen4

[old marlin]

hey, got almost 2GB loaded into teracopy now

got that recommended since apparently it is a LOT quicker at deleting stuff that windows is on it's own

[fair gull]

format e:

ez fix

[old marlin]

might actually be faster the copy all other files and format

ngl

[fair gull]

exactly

literally how i clean my linux servers when i move

i just leave out the shit it doesnt need

copy the rest

boot it

[astral haven]

@fair gull see my message about xcp-ng?
I got it up and running yesterday which did require alot of tearing out of hair...
But it is a thin hypervisor with an application to manage it that uses the linux kernel, a hypervisor, and a management interface and that's it

[ashen spindle]

man you know chip shortage isnt over when I try to find a raspberry pie and cant get and lmao

[astral haven]

Raspberry pi foundation made the mistake of agreeing to supply agreements to businesses

[pale sigil]

hmm

latest steam deck order from today seems to be 19:59

[astral haven]

Whew the us 256gbs are catching up to the 64s

[wheat plume]

How do you change it so it doesn't show everyone your email?

Says my account can't??

[astral haven]

Correct

[ashen spindle]

oh hey first article on this in 2 years, almost forgot about the site haha https://www.realworldtech.com/intel-4/

[little raptor]

I got them today as well.

[final flame]

nice

[pale sigil]

14 minutes worth of orders went out today for the desk in the UK

So there is a decent chance i get my email Thursday or Wed

[wheat plume]

A folder in my home folder has more free space than my home folder

I love automounting drives :')

[astral haven]

Apparently im 7% of the way to my deck

[feral shuttle]

Will there be a tkl version?

[old marlin]

not for a few years at least

[chrome estuary]

The deck ain't a bad little thing. I've got my petty complaints like I'm sure many do.

[fair gull]

are they really petty complaints tho

[chrome estuary]

Yeah. I don't like the controller layout or my hands being so far apart. It feels awkward personally.

[halcyon moss]

I might be able to order my deck next week 😮

[final flame]

aight ima have to figure out how to install arch on a laptop bios

[fair gull]

u boot it

and install it

[final flame]

the thing is I don't see a option to boot from flash in the bios unless you need it plugged in beforehand

[fair gull]

thats how it works yes

[final flame]

oke then

[fair gull]

what laptop

[final flame]

acer aspire 5

[fair gull]

f12

altho i think for them u have to enable the f12 menu in bios first

[final flame]

oh well I tried

it let me boot into the flash drive but it just game me this error

[reef patrol]

Ahhh...secure boot. Yeah you have to get into the BIOS and disable that for anything Linux.

(Tries hard to forget Acer laptops that literally won't let you, forcing you to clone drives from other PCs)

[final flame]

alr I'll do that tomorrow It's 5am for me rn

hopefully it actually let's me

[fair gull]

i mean u can secureboot linux

https://github.com/rhboot/shim

[reef patrol]

.... wat xD

[fair gull]

literally thats what the shim is for

it loads fine and even gets signed by MS

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/head-rub-rub-massage-stressed-annoyed-gif-11617816

[fair gull]

that shim then loads the actual thing

[old marlin]

the real shim slady

[halcyon moss]

i thought plain ubuntu also works with secure boot. but dont quote me on that

[fair gull]

it does they use that shim

many mainstream distros do

[halcyon moss]

but of course, first thing you need to disable is secure boot when installing linux :p

[junior ore]

@final flame i recommend EndeavorOS or Manjaro.
Both are Arch distris but well made and good to go as oppose to starting from bare minimum like normal Arch.

[latent mural]

This is a useful guide that I found that helped me greatly on how to choose a proper Lube, greaser and film without melting all the plastics

Stablizers: ABS (assumption)
Case:ABS
Keycaps: PBT (Polybutylene Terephthalate)

Switch: Polyoxymethylene, Polycarbonate, Polyamide + the O-ring (unknown)

[old marlin]

why not just buy what is known to work great for the usecase

[latent mural]

Cuz why not experiment

[old marlin]

in the end you got a big range of viscosities already covered

something thinner than 105g0 would be too liquid

and something thicker than xht-bdz would be too thick for any application inside keyboards

[latent mural]

you're correct no doubt. However, I despise the idea that I have to be meticulous not to waste any krytox

Because it costs an arm and a leg XD

[fair gull]

does it?

[old marlin]

if you buy it to lube one switch

ig

[fair gull]

thats what i thought just now

[old marlin]

it ends up costing something like half a cent per switch

[fair gull]

if u lube an entire board and stabs its cheap or well priced

amtech flux is way more expensive and its meant to just disappear

its like 15eur for 30cc and u basically keep buying it every other day or in bulk

[old marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/renegade-labs-madscientist-steve-soldering-tip-gif-17512747

[latent mural]

Make sense

Yesterday, I sent an Email to a CNC shop from aliexpress and they quoted me $600 💀

[shadow minnow]

[fair gull]

most of that prob shipping

[latent mural]

it aint

The reason why it's so expensive is because of the lack economies of scale

if we do a group buy probably $180 per case

Or hear me out, we could grab two aluminum TKL cases and merged them into one through soldering and polishing to make it look it hasn't been violated

[fair gull]

what did u wanna get made

[latent mural]

I haven't made my own design yet. I sent them a generic full-size model just to get a rough idea before I go full send

[fair gull]

also why not local

[latent mural]

None in my area that does CNC for average consumer

it mostly industrial and businesses

I tried to use/pay the CNC machine at my college they refused in a heartbeat

[wheat plume]

[fair gull]

next step is to buy a cnc machine

[latent mural]

Pretty much

I was thinking what if we retrofit the Wooting into like IBM Model M

and the tolrences I figured it out

[fair gull]

@ashen spindle update to the RAM mystery

2 sticks of 16gb ram work flawless

not even stated to be verified for the system

[ashen spindle]

makes sense, quad channel is just heavier on the memory controller in general

[fair gull]

well weird that the own kit lenovo sells didnt work

[ashen spindle]

well, non k skus are often the lower class bins so combine that with not confirmed memory config, that just can happen I guess

[fair gull]

deffo has to be confirmed cause got another machine with 32gigs preinstalled but without the quadro gpu and it ran the same sticks we bought fine

[ashen spindle]

well its a combo not confirmed by the ram maker, lenovo can test it but they wont know what exactly the ram kits requirements are for the lowest class etc.

[fair gull]

oh ya but i checked all sticks again in the second system this morning and swapped the 32gig preinstalled into the problem child

problem child still didnt like 4 sticks

so most deffo cpu issue

[ashen spindle]

ah yeah likely

what cpu was it again 11700?

[fair gull]

yes

[halcyon moss]

how much would a used cnc machine cost..?

[fair gull]

including the cost for a most likely seperate circuit, breaker and outlet?

[ashen spindle]

well 3200 is not even officially supported on 4 dims iirc so I guess you just got a cpu that can barely do the minimum and not a lot on 4 sticks

[fair gull]

works now so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fair gull]

found one used build in 1990 made by traub for 27grand excluding shipping

[halcyon moss]

hm thats a lot of keyboard cases to sell :p

[fair gull]

just become a well known yt and get one sponsored by tormach

i mean tormach makes a 1100m which can move 45cm on the X-Axis

so u can prob machine it in 1 go or by slightly adjusting and doing 2 cnc paths

11grand brand new base price

[halcyon moss]

thats not too bad

[fair gull]

ya i was kinda shocked aswell how relatively cheap they are for hobby machinists

so i configured it a bit and with the options its 30grand for brand new with enclosure and cooling and all

still requires special nema outlet and seperate 20A circuit/breaker

single phase tho

[halcyon moss]

nm

no one has a nema outlet overhere, that the US 2 pin among others..

[fair gull]

nema 6-20r

has a special sideways pin

so u cant plug it into regular outselts

[halcyon moss]

sure its not 3 phase?

[fair gull]

yes

single phase

[halcyon moss]

these badboys?
https://www.deboerdrachten.nl/productafbeelding/zv2702100877/0/1240/1240/stekker-5-polig-16-amp.jpg

[fair gull]

thats not nema 6-20r is it

[halcyon moss]

no it isnt

but that usually what equipment that requires more power uses

[fair gull]

yes but its 20A 240v 50/60hz single phase

straight from the tormach website

ik that most high power requires 3 phase 5 pole plugs usually

but i guess they can somehow run it this way

makes it more accessible for hobbyists tho

[halcyon moss]

230v ac 20 amps is not that much. you almost can run that of a normal wallsocket

[fair gull]

ya well they recommend a seperate circuit

[halcyon moss]

that does make sense

anyway, time to go home.

[fair gull]

still have half an hour

[halcyon moss]

no

freelancer i can do what i want

[fair gull]

i do

im not freelancer

im slave

[old marlin]

Nema 6-20R plugs are stupid rare

[astral haven]

This is what the receptacles look like @old marlin

They are not at all rare

[old marlin]

The receptacles are not

The plugs are though

At least outside industrial applications

[vagrant pagoda]

Lots of wood working stuff ive seen has it

like table saws and bandsaws

also they are common on small minisplits

i have put in a few that at 5a 220v, and use a 6-15

whats crazy is they make non polarized 20a style outlets

that have Ts for both sides

meaning you could plug 220v or 110v items in to them

no idea what they are for

[astral haven]

All the 1800w and 2000w psus in the us use them

[vagrant pagoda]

Servers can just use IEC to IEC though

[astral haven]

Servers don't use 2000w psus

They use a bunch of smaller redundant ones

[vagrant pagoda]

that isnt true

[astral haven]

And if they are that high power, they are usually dc-dc

[vagrant pagoda]

there are 2kw+ server psues

and they can run 4+ of them

[astral haven]

There are
But that's not at all widespread

And I mean ac-dc

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

they run 220v

[astral haven]

Dc-dc there are plenty of them in the insano watt ranges

[vagrant pagoda]

they run c21-c22 direct cables

but also its common to run even low power servers on 220 in the us for efficiency

[astral haven]

Sure
And the racks are powered by alot more than 20 amps

[vagrant pagoda]

so not uncommon to run them with just c12/c13 and a 220v ups/pdu

[astral haven]

The higher the power the better dc-dc is

And yea I'm aware

[vagrant pagoda]

only for data center

dc-dc isnt that useful for on site

[astral haven]

There isn't higher power outside of the datacenter

[vagrant pagoda]

or colocation

that isnt true either

i have setup more than a few single racks with 100a service

[astral haven]

You won't have 4kw/u outside of the datacenter

[vagrant pagoda]

gpu compute is becoming more and more common

[astral haven]

That requires managed airflow or liquid cooling
You can't just yeet one of those in an edge server closet

[vagrant pagoda]

so high power density comes with it

no they generally use ducted mini splits to run hot/cold side

[astral haven]

Yea
Managed airflow

[vagrant pagoda]

though a few use the building air with a dedecated feed

its common enough that every vender ive used that makes highpower servers offers a ac and dc psu configuration

[astral haven]

Yea aka not yeet in the server closet

[vagrant pagoda]

only stuff that is DC only comes as a premade unit

the 2000+w psus feel like ingots though

[astral haven]

You don't get to call an area with dedicated cooling an edge location

[ashen spindle]

oh I have seen some 2kw+ psus used in a non server environment, but also not in a way I would have used it if I had any input..

it was quite questionable

[astral haven]

Lel

Speaking of I need to get a ups

[vagrant pagoda]

dosent make it a datacenter though

[astral haven]

Yes it does

[ashen spindle]

lets just I now know of an entertainment park in the US where I will make sure to never enter certain attractions lmfao

[vagrant pagoda]

so if stick a window unit in my office i have a datacenter now?

[astral haven]

If your office contains nothing but racks, yes

[vagrant pagoda]

i never said they only had a rack in them

they where just data closests

or just a room where servers where

none of them were dedicated for computers

lots of them had other machinal or electrical functions

[astral haven]

Look there are 2 options

Datacenter
Edge

[vagrant pagoda]

speaking of electical functions, my laptop hates this planes power

[astral haven]

If you have managed airflow or liquid, it's datacenter
If not, it's edge

[vagrant pagoda]

no, there are way more options between and behond edge and datacenter for servers

[astral haven]

Edge and datacenter are not server types
They are install types

You can have a datacenter of raspberry pis

[vagrant pagoda]

...

whats in it has nothing to do with whether a location is a datacenter or not.

you can have a datacenter with zero servers

just switching and routing

or just phone

still datacenters

[astral haven]

That's rather hard to do unless you have a very very strict definition of servers

I'm not aware of routers capable of l3 routing over a gigabit that aren't servers

[vagrant pagoda]

most of them are fpga or asic now

they have socs for the mangment interface