8Cores
Chromium 101.0.42069
8GB
En_us
#🔌│tech
astral haven
Track me now I dare you
Fr tho why tf does the eff think I have 8gb of ram?
Like what?
halcyon moss
that duckduckgo stuff was about the broser they made, and they made this public themselves, and are already working on a fix with MS
astral haven
They didn't announce that, nor did they take down the privacy marketing while doing this
It was technically possible to find but it was very well hidden
astral haven
more info
https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/uyf67u/duckduckgo_browser...
Wow so it's almost like this is exactly what I said but couched in marketing talk...
And they only talked about it after it was noticed
ashen spindle
Ddg uses Bing for search results so they will always have issues anyway 
cursive summit
Why would you need a degoogled phone if you can get nearly any phone and install a customOS of it?
old marlin
might as well ask why not everybody uses arch
halcyon moss
btw,lana is using arch
wheat plume
btw,that is true
halcyon moss
nice edit hehe
wheat plume
:')
wheat plume
To copy his message
old marlin
ah
halcyon moss
i made a small typo
old marlin
and you thought you could get away with that
halcyon moss
apparently not. Lana pays many attentions
wheat plume
:')
shadow minnow
That’s a ton capacitors ngl
crimson wigeon
Why not just a few big caps pepega
mild dome
Listen
GPUs process numbers
Numbers are written as words
Words are caps
Therefore more GPU caps = more word caps = bigger numbers!
pale sigil
reef patrol
wheat plume
reef patrol
*First they'd have to download and save the word document, then they'd have to browse to the save folder and select the document to bring up preview pane.
I guess maybe the user has a keyboard with those silent Cherry MX Red switches?*
old marlin
Preview ones are not even new
thick elk
Regardless, it's still problematic that these vulnerabilities exist.
Especially in corporate use, where a fishing attack can seem pretty plausible.
It could probably also execute within outlook, not requiring you to save the file at all.
old marlin
Yea it is still problematic and I am atm wrangling with GPOs to prevent them
Every attempt at doing so has not worked yet
Fun
thick elk
Sucks, you ordered it day one right?
thick elk
Not entirely, I think ireland is stuck with the uk as well
pale sigil
Til there's a subreddit dedicated to Steam deck porn games
reef patrol
Not entirely, I think ireland is stuck with the uk as well
Victims of Brexit assemble
thick elk
The steam deck doesn't lend itself well to one handed operation, so yea wouldn't be the best device for porn games.
thick elk
you still have to hold the device awkwardly with one hand
pale sigil
True
I want the deck to play good games
Not ports that aren't meant to work in an old phone chip
No
Can't play D2 on deck anyway
With windows sure
But no one wants windows
And I'd rather not trip the anti cheat on Linux
Sounds like I don't wanna throw away my 4500 hours
wheat plume
I want my bloody deck
SAME
thick elk
Funnily enough the first game I played on my Deck as vampire survivor hardly anything performance intensive
true quest
me, cry bout it 😎
empty wren
Why not mald harder the cope ratio?
true quest
yes, like that
chrome estuary
the deck is kinda nice.
wheat plume
Yes
Yes it is
wheat plume
How tf
Is Alma Linux 8gb in size and still not come with a desktop
It just drops you into a tty console
ashen spindle
I bet its because of some feature it has that would probably show on a google search 🙂
halcyon moss
its RHEL apparently 🤔
halcyon moss
download. im not going to install it :p
well i have on my "home server"
but thats not the base anymore
then its actually small 🙂
ashen spindle
Says he lost nearly due to gpu prices to normal
halcyon moss
no scalper calls themselves a scalper
ashen spindle
oh thats neat, the small indents that will make sure people can be sure what direction the cpu has to be in
crimson wigeon
People will still find a way
ashen spindle
think only on the newer ones that arent in square form anymore anyway
also thank god it seems like the chipsets don need coolers anymore, imagine having two of the shitty tiny fans
crimson wigeon
Bruh that's a way too exposed board
ashen spindle
two chips are cheaper than one chipset chip from last gen as well lmao
old marlin
oh thats neat, the small indents that will make sure people can be sure what dir...
very lana comment ngl
old marlin
how many watts can those even dissipate
the left one was an arctic with like 30W iirc
spec
ashen spindle
noctuas massice passive cooler can do 125W
old marlin
yea
astral haven
I mean
The other result from the same GPU is 10x higher?
Definetly more than just drivers
misty saffron
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-graphics-card-pcb-leak-ad102-gpu-de...
2 times float compute
wtf
ashen spindle
probably yes but also dont take any numbers you only see on wcctrash for granted
but yes, for ampere and ada nvidias plan is mostly simplified down to spamming GEMM at the chip
but just 2xflop isnt 2x performance in games as we saw in ampere
obviously
ashen spindle
2x
cursive summit
So about 100FPS in most titles at 4K
That sounds really good?
Idk if it's worth investing into current gen if we are that close to something much better
And hopefully more available
shadow minnow
Hmm that sounds good
4K Pog
empty wren
true quest
y'all got any good gaming desks
cursive summit
y'all got any good gaming desks
IKEA
Personally I'd like something that can be regulated for standing/sitting
cursive summit
Gaming things aren't even a thing
true quest
not looking for "gaming" desk
cursive summit
Get something office
true quest
looking for a desk that goes well for gaming
junior ore
slapping gaming on something is just marketing and mark up in prices
cursive summit
not looking for "gaming" desk
What else do you need
Drawers?
Bookshelves?
Lots of space?
Like just a flat area or is it like a more specialised desk
junior ore
i recommend one with a higher monitor position on the back, depending on your preference
and an L Desk
true quest
L shape and sturdy for monitor mount
junior ore
well mounting is extra equipment 😛
cursive summit
L shape literally only fits in corners
junior ore
that's not true
cursive summit
well mounting is extra equipment 😛
That is incredibly useful
L shape barely fits not in the corner
cursive summit
I mean, I like my desk flush to the wall
true quest
well mounting is extra equipment 😛
not the issue, i'd pay extra for it
junior ore
the highest functional aspect of an L desk is providing space that surrounds you. Less needing to reach over or move your chair.
cursive summit
I don't have space to put it in the middle of the room 
L desk is great, I'll give you that
junior ore
i need an L desk honestly
cursive summit
But again think of where'd you even put the thing
junior ore
this is true for all furniture
cursive summit
@true questWhere from are you again?
true quest
US
cursive summit
Ah amerigunsia
true quest
might mount my five seven under the desk, who knows
cursive summit
57 
true quest
or would a pump be more effective
junior ore
cool as the gun is and as cool as it performs : also too expensive for range shooting
wet canopy
punch a hole right through the drywall even
cursive summit
Ngl can't wait to turn 23, get a gun license, and get a H&K USP
junior ore
for home defense a shotgun is almost always a great option. depending on the enviornment
cursive summit
USP will always be the sexiest sidearm
junior ore
isn't that absurdly expensive?
cursive summit
Not really
true quest
cool as the gun is and as cool as it performs : also too expensive for range sho...
so i just get a beretta 9 mm
wet canopy
or would a pump be more effective
shotgun is point and shoot very simple so I'd assume so
junior ore
oh i was thinking a different gun, my bad
true quest
shotgun is point and shoot very simple so I'd assume so
but can my desk handle the weight
junior ore
so i just get a beretta 9 mm
doesn't have to be a beretta. I recommend a canik
a shotgun isn't going to weigh a stupid amount.
wet canopy
also price, what you can afford will put you in a spot
true quest
just don't want to be that glock guy ya know
junior ore
def get a Canik then
one fo the newer ones like the METE SFX
trigger pull is very light and so far no issue except for this one brand i tried with, but it was a shitty cheap brand of ammo anyways.
don't buy shitty cheap ammo @_@
but yeah for home defense, a short shotgun that holds the legally maximum amount will do you wonders. Mine holds 8 rounds, but the barrel size could make it awkward at the stairs.
wet canopy
yeah that's really the only thing, it's a long stick so places that are tight might be the only thing
it's a broom basically
junior ore
also versatile rounds. and can get rounds that wont puncture your walls and hit innocents behind them.
and
junior ore
aint no fuck is gonna to hear the mechanism of a pump shotgun and go "yeah I can take that to the face"
wet canopy
slug em
cursive summit
just don't want to be that glock guy ya know
Hey there is nothing wrong with the Glock
junior ore
no don't use slugs
wet canopy
slugs are horrible
cursive summit
It's good, reliable, affordable
junior ore
also yeah GLOCK is very valid
wet canopy
just damage your house
cursive summit
Glocks are literally the Apple of guns
wet canopy
and you have to be accurate
junior ore
well no
true quest
i don't use apple 😎
junior ore
FN is the Apple of Guns.
overly priced
and the ammo/service is stupidly over priced too
cursive summit
Does FN have that massive of market share in sidearms?
junior ore
and you get THE ONE propriertary round type : armor pierce
cursive summit
Glock I'd say is incredibly popular
wet canopy
android
junior ore
FNs are fantastic guns but they are stupidly pricey
wet canopy
FN is definitely like apple with the ammo
junior ore
about a dollar a round
the recoil will be super smooth and the stupid fast round will be pleasing to shoot.
but you are shooting a lot of cash
and it's poor for self defense
cursive summit
Man here I wish Glock 19 or 17 would have a legal coversion kit to 18
junior ore
cause you'll just over penetrate doing less damage
cursive summit
18 is so cool
wet canopy
I figure ammunition is an investment anyway since it probably will keep appreciating in value
or at least inflation will speed it up some
junior ore
it's expensive because it's proprietary : only one person is making it
FN
but, hey
P90s are badass
#worthit
wet canopy
I like way it works though
junior ore
literally spending 50 dollars to shoot a whole mag
wet canopy
the rounds do a lil spin to line up with the chamber
cursive summit
Why not just get a G36 with clear mags
junior ore
where are you getting 6.5mm from?
junior ore
what the heck is 6.5 thats one I don't know
cursive summit
Well 6.5 is, in one way, the new 5.56
junior ore
sounds incompatible lol
cursive summit
The new SIG Spear iirc uses 6.5
That's the new standard issue calibre for U.S army iirc
Well wrong again I am
It's 6.8mm
junior ore
could have sworn it was still the 9mm unless they changed with a new trial
oh i see, yeah thats new
cursive summit
We'll see how U.S will deal with the adoption of a new calibre
5.56 being kind of phased out off military service
junior ore
based on history : US prefered rounds tey had in spades lol
found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM5
ashen spindle
toasty he says as he posts normal temps
wet canopy
yeah low 70s is fine imo
junior ore
honestly above 80 is a sign of needing better thermals. The danger zone is <90
wet canopy
gpu memory is hot tho
ashen spindle
memory also can take more though
junior ore
aye but if you want a logner life span : don't push the temps
reef patrol
79c on a CPU ain't normal 😄
wet canopy
I straight up undervolt in the summer to keep from cooking in my own juices
junior ore
workable temp but yeah def better to have lower temps. I recommend some cleaning.
ashen spindle
depends on what cooler, load etc.
wet canopy
I cleaned my pc case out a month ago and it dropped my temps A LOT
also discovered I somehow plugged one of my case fans into the sys_pump header
so the entire time the pc was built one of my case fans was static 70%
and I never noticed
reef patrol
depends on what cooler, load etc.
This was while gaming. And honestly 80c is bad regardless of your setup as a consumer. 😄
ashen spindle
ehhh, with how the chiplets are spreading heat on zen3 that can be not too unusual
reef patrol
I disagree. Peaks? Sure. But not consistent loads in a game.
ashen spindle
I mean, its just one picture, idk if thats consistent or just a snapshot he took
mild dome
I got an Ice gaint cooler to keep my cpu cool
junior ore
it depends on the individual hardware honestly
like. The kind of video cards I tend to get coincidentally always ending up running way too damn hot all the time. but that's because the first one was more or less a released prototype that was a heavy hitter but sucked ass firmware wise, and temperature-wise. Then my replacement for that in an RMA : a newer and same performance card but the design of the cooler assembly sucks ass so it gets a little toasty. So I was more or less forced to invest into a computer case that heavily benefited video cards venting air up. now temperatures are good.
I don't have the best idle temperatures but I'm not cooking 80+ during load
astral haven
I disagree. Peaks? Sure. But not consistent loads in a game.
sounds like you arent using a cpu made in the last 3 years lol
unless you use a custom loop or are simply not using your cpu, zen 2 or 3 and rocketlake and later msdt are physically incapable of dissipating the heat quickly enough to even be that low temperature
heck
Im using a pretty solid custom loop, and temps still hit 80 at full load
astral haven
honestly above 80 is a sign of needing better thermals. The danger zone is <90
and no the danger zone depends on the cpu and thermal sensors
on zen 1 its around 80 sure
but on zen 2 its 95
but zen 1 has crappy sensors super far away from the hot bits
pale sigil
Nice to see denuvo still getting fucked but sadly they still win
As there's no decent scenes now
solar hinge
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/v3i9kl/farcry6empress/?utm_medium=a...
promoting piracy huh, that's bad m'kay
crimson wigeon
Nah it's fine
halcyon moss
its bad m'kay
frozen ingot
well, that's kind of their own fault
misty saffron
bro i'm russian
frozen ingot
I know
halcyon moss
well. dont be..
frozen ingot
ok maybe my phrasing was poor, its the russian gubermints fault
cursive summit
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/v3i9kl/farcry6empress/?utm_medium=a...
Yay I love piracy
pale sigil
seeing denuvo being cracked doesn't mean i condone piracy
cursive summit
Anyways you slowpoke I posted that in #🎮│game like 2 days ago
The initial beta testing thread
Also why in here
Tech
crimson wigeon
Denuvo is tech
ashen spindle
seeing denuvo being cracked doesn't mean i condone piracy
bit of a weak argument when you post something that literally has links to it instead of just mentions it being cracked 😛
fair gull
just do it in #hollows-microwave
ashen spindle
moral point doesnt change the legal point
misty saffron
just do it in #hollows-microwave
crack belongs in the microwave
fair gull
😦
cursive summit
just do it in #hollows-microwave
Wtf is hollows microwave
fair gull
new channels
halcyon moss
someone didnt follow the stream
crimson wigeon
Oh good more channels to hide
fair gull
gaming being more important than general channels or support
halcyon moss
yup.. that is strange
junior ore
promoting piracy huh, that's bad m'kay
not exactly promoting it in the sense of telling people to do it, more like sharing news about it anyways.
also some publisher studios are just outright disgusting to support. Like Activision/Blizzard and EA.
and, in the end : you aren't doing any harm. someone that would download a game is the same type of person that wasn't going to buy it, aka, still not a sale. but it would massively increase the chances of them to later on buy it because they actually got to playa nd try it and not be scammed based on hype or expectations or it being a bad game that can't be refunded.
ashen spindle
you know you could also just like, play something else instead
junior ore
and it'd be a different game
not the specific one that you want to play
if you download it and like it and like the devs : buy it if you can afford it. or when you can afford it.
it's like the case I had with Rimworld. i didn't have the money at the time and didn't know if it was going to be dwarf-fortress-like #35 or if it had enough of its own flair and such.
So i downloaded it, liked it, and then next month bought it once i had enough spending cash.
ashen spindle
or if you want it and can afford it buy it, steam has a refund period, you can watch videos, reviews etc.
junior ore
the only morally wrong aspect is if you are DISTRIBUTING, which is what piracy is.
except
back then steam didn't have the refund until Australia took them to court and they lost.
and even then : two hours is not enough time for games like Rimworld or other EXTREMELY long winded games
ashen spindle
ok but why are we arguing about the past
junior ore
ALSO
that still requires having the cash
and 90% of modern games don't do demos anymore
ashen spindle
yes if you cant afford it I personally don't care, I just have an issue if you can afford it
junior ore
i don't see why that would be an issue anyways. it's not distribution.
ashen spindle
because I find it pretty weird to be entitled to have something without paying for it if you can afford it just because you dont like EA or whoever makes it
junior ore
I don't think it's entitlement?
it's not demanding to have the game or forcing it from someone
ashen spindle
I just cant see a valid reason for it if you can afford it
junior ore
i already listed them.
for instance : trying out something before purchasing something usually permanent is perfectly valid
ashen spindle
you can refund, so that is no longer valid
astral haven
for instance : trying out something before purchasing something usually permanen...
Your moral code may allow piracy, but it is still illegal and unethical.
junior ore
piracy is distributing
i don't support distribution
also, i just outlined that you can't refund these things typically.
astral haven
Ok
Privateering
junior ore
that's. the same thing :V
astral haven
also, i just outlined that you can't refund these things typically.
I have never had a problem
junior ore
this isn't "privateering" either
astral haven
Yes it is
junior ore
well good for you that you can judge a game under an hour
pale sigil
Wot
astral haven
An hour?
ashen spindle
yes and its 2 hours
astral haven
Steam gives you two hours and my credit card company allows 14...
junior ore
and some games stretch out tutorials and starting areas very long. or the main issues behidn them don't crop up until laters.
i'm saying is it has issues.
astral haven
2 hours of launched game
Not including downloading
junior ore
i am aware
ashen spindle
so you want to be able to play most of the game and then decide you dont want to pay for it?
junior ore
if I don't liek the game I wouldn't be playing it very long.
pale sigil
It's a weird argument both sides
junior ore
do you drive your car before buying it?
astral haven
Yes
junior ore
Do you inspect pets before owning them?
pale sigil
Yes
astral haven
do you drive your car before buying it?
And you have to give alot of data to the agent
pale sigil
Deoends
astral haven
That is the contract
pale sigil
If it's a rescue pet I make sure it has had irs injections etc
junior ore
sure but you don't have those options for games
astral haven
You must provide your driver's license and insurance before you are allowed to test drive the car
junior ore
all you can have are videos of lets plays. but thats not the same as experiencing
astral haven
sure but you don't have those options for games
You literally do
ashen spindle
yes you have, you have 2 hours of a test drive
pale sigil
In my eyes someone who pirates had no intent paying in the first place but are still a potential buyer
true quest
You must provide your driver's license and insurance before you are allowed to t...
i've not been asked for insurance to test drive
junior ore
i gaurentee you you wouldn't be able to judge games like Dwarf Fortress within 2 hours
pale sigil
Last game I bought I did that tbh 😅but I rarely pirate
junior ore
or RPG games
ashen spindle
because dwarf fortress is definitely representative of most games...
junior ore
In my eyes someone who pirates had no intent paying in the first place but are s...
except no one here is mentioning about pirating. we're talking downloading. uploading is the piracy.
astral haven
i gaurentee you you wouldn't be able to judge games like Dwarf Fortress within 2...
You absolutely can tell how much of an experience you will have
junior ore
because dwarf fortress is definitely representative of most games...
its called an example.
maybe you and thats good for you.
ashen spindle
its not a great example if it doesnt hold up for most cases
pale sigil
Oh don't be one of those peeps
junior ore
not everyone can.
astral haven
except no one here is mentioning about pirating. we're talking downloading. ...
Privateering is downloading content you didn't pay for
That's what we are talking about
junior ore
no it's rather important to declare definitions and terms.
true quest
so privateering if it's free
astral haven
If you download with a torrent client, it is piracy
pale sigil
If you wanna be specific you are pirating while downloading
As you cant not upload and distribute
astral haven
so privateering if it's free
You paid for it for the full price the developer asked if it is free
pale sigil
That's just not how torrenting works and capping upload to 0 work work
astral haven
Tldr not a valid defence in court
junior ore
downloading something is different then selling bootlegs or giving everyone free copies. you cannot equate the two. fi you can't understand the differences then i'm not continuing this conversation. I'mma head back to work.
test
connection screwed up
ashen spindle
sounds like me the definition means its piracy even if you dont distribute
junior ore
anyways : i'm not continuing the dishonesty here. Insinuating the only method of downloading something is torrenting.
astral haven
anyways : i'm not continuing the dishonesty here. Insinuating the only method...
Torrenting is piracy, all other methods of acquiring paid content without paying are privateering
pale sigil
I mean if you're using file servers over p2p then ye you're not distributing at least 
p2p torrents aren't piracy
astral haven
Both piracy and privateering are illegal and unethical
pale sigil
The protocol is just used for it
astral haven
Yep
pale sigil
You just said torrenting is piracy :p
junior ore
I mean if you're using file servers over p2p then ye you're not distributing at ...
they aren't going to understand network based protocols or any of that. Torrent bad evil GRR! :E
astral haven
Misformed sentence oops
ashen spindle
idk it was kinda clear it was meant only in context of paid content if you read the second part of what he wrote
astral haven
Should have said "acquiring paid content through torrents is piracy, all other forms are privateering"
pale sigil
I mean using the protocol for unethical things is bad :p
cursive summit
Both piracy and privateering are illegal and unethical
pale sigil
Personally I don't care
astral haven
https://tenor.com/view/nobody-cares-liam-scott-edwards-acetrainerliam-no-one-car...
Sure
But that doesn't make it legal or ethical
pale sigil
I just like seeing denuvo being ruined s
junior ore
"Using a tool for unethical means is unethical, revelation!"
true quest
the "ethical" is highly subjective
cursive summit
Sure
But that doesn't make it legal or ethical
Meh, big deal
junior ore
denuvo is very bad
astral haven
"Using a tool for unethical means is unethical, revelation!"
Yes
The problem is you are promoting the unethical part
junior ore
no one wants their computer root kit for a game
pale sigil
Life is unethical
astral haven
Meh, big deal
No
Morality is subjective
Ethics are objective
true quest
haha no
astral haven
Oops missed reply
ashen spindle
so buy another game that doesnt have a "root kit"
junior ore
Yes
The problem is you are promoting the unethical part
i literally said distribution of stuff was bad. you're the one that can't tell an apple from an orange.
junior ore
so buy another game that doesnt have a "root kit"
tell that to the publishers 😂
pale sigil
Let's not get a bit argumentative
astral haven
sure but you don't have those options for games
...
cursive summit
Why are you all people at arms when it comes to this shit
I'll just silently download my free shit while you peeps are here arguing for no reason
pale sigil
Why does if matter tbh
ashen spindle
Why are you all people at arms when it comes to this shit
it's called having a conversation
cursive summit
That seemed a bit heated for a conversation
pale sigil
People do stuff, whether you agree or not doesn't effect anyone else but yourself :p
junior ore
like the stats show piracy does the opposite to sales and allows games to be archived for historic purposes.
true quest
That seemed a bit heated for a conversation
discord, naturally
cursive summit
Ah yeah where people say stuff they wouldn't say irl
junior ore
calling out someone's ethics/morality or making assumptions tends to bring out heat.
ashen spindle
like the stats show piracy does the opposite to sales and allows games to be arc...
but that is a whole other point compared to cracking a game because you dont like the publisher...
junior ore
but that is a whole other point compared to cracking a game because you dont lik...
I didn't say TO crack someone's game. other people do that.
pale sigil
Nah let others do the dirty work :p
astral haven
calling out someone's ethics/morality or making assumptions tends to bring out h...
We weren't calling our your code of ethics
You know it is unethical, however your code of morality allows it for the reasons you outlined...
ashen spindle
im just disagreeing with that part is all, if you dont want to give them money dont buy it and get something else
pale sigil
Empress annoy me
cursive summit
Prolly the first cracker to actually make a living out of cracking
cursive summit
And I for once actually thank god for that
Scene people disappear and reappear
If someone's money motivated at least they won't fuck off randomly
junior ore
im just disagreeing with that part is all, if you dont want to give them money d...
exactly : don't give them money if you don't want to support them.
ashen spindle
yes and that means dont crack the game
cursive summit
Where tf is CPY?
pale sigil
Well don't make stupid mistakes like that guy who told everyone his country and didn't use a vpn
junior ore
inserting someone's crack.exe isn't cracking a game
cursive summit
CPY was gone for 2 years, released like a few games, and fucked off ever since
junior ore
the people that actually crack the stuff, the crack teams, are the ones doing the cracking.
cursive summit
EMPRESS literally the only cracker for denuvo that we have for a few years now
pale sigil
Because all scenes lost their best members
junior ore
i don't know enough software engineering and encoding/decoding to crack a game.
ashen spindle
"I dont want to support them so I want to use other means to get it for free " is just peak entitlement to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cursive summit
At least EMPRESS is actually making a living out of it
pale sigil
Because she isn't stupid
cursive summit
So we can hope that EMPRESS whoever they are won't just ditch the scene
pale sigil
Nah I don't like empress
cursive summit
Actually the thing with EMPRESS is
junior ore
"I dont want to support them so I want to use other means to get it for free " i...
and you have the right to your opinion. And I have mine. if I enjoy and love the game and the publisher/devs aren't assholes : i throw money at them.
cursive summit
They got into legal trouble before they got notorious
And they were acquitted or some shit?
junior ore
it also helps I actually have a stable job now too
pale sigil
She's weird and pett and only crack's for money
cursive summit
So wherever EMPRESS resides, cracking shit there is, apparently, legal
ashen spindle
still doesnt change the legal point if you do it, you are well aware its not the intended way and thus are knowingly breaking ToS, regardless of how much you dislike them
cursive summit
Prolly Somalia or some shit
pale sigil
No honor in that :l
junior ore
the heck is EMPRESS?
pale sigil
The only denuvo cracker atm
cursive summit
the heck is EMPRESS?
The sole remaining active DENUVO cracker
junior ore
still doesnt change the legal point if you do it, you are well aware its not the...
the legal point is is that distribution is the big no no. Not the downloading. Torrenting counts as distribution because of the upload aspect. Good luck finding me a court case where downloading was the issue soley. It's always been the uploading and sharing.
pale sigil
Most courts won't see it this way
cursive summit
No honor in that :l
I couldn't frankly care less if empress cracks for the honour of it or for money
junior ore
again : cite me the case of just the download
pale sigil
No lol
cursive summit
Nobody else does it at least that money hungry bitch with their philosophical ramblings is there
true quest
No honor in that :l
if you're providing a service and getting paid for it...
junior ore
also Denuvo also horribly bogs your machine down and ruins the game aspect, good game or not. it hampered Assassin Creed really badly to the point legit owners HAD to crack the game to turn Denuvo off, for a single player game.
cursive summit
if you're providing a service and getting paid for it...
Technically they ain't going anything illegal if their customers are happy with their services
junior ore
also lets not forget Abandonware
pale sigil
if you're providing a service and getting paid for it...
Most teams did it for the sake of being the best
ashen spindle
I dont really care to walk around your technicality when it's quite obvious what is mean, and it's just not followed because its not worth to go after anyone besides the people who share it
junior ore
there comes a point where a game isn't sold anymore but still exists.
pale sigil
Fighting each other to crack first etc
junior ore
I dont really care to walk around your technicality when it's quite obvious what...
except that technicalities matter. words and how words are used matter. These things matter.
true quest
now lets get deeper
pale sigil
now lets get deeper
true quest
do you pay for the cracked version of a game
junior ore
hell no
pale sigil
do you pay for the cracked version of a game
If you're in third world countries ye 
ashen spindle
yes words matter but people can know what other people mean without it being perfectly described
cursive summit
You pay for a cracker to crack a game in order for the game to become free for everyone
I call that crowdfunding
pale sigil
It's a big thing to buy cracked games on disc in markets
junior ore
right but if the context is legality : words are very strict and not loose.
cursive summit
It's not just software
ashen spindle
we're not in a court setting though
pale sigil
Kickstarter for the anti denuvo force
cursive summit
What about nintendo modchips?
junior ore
we're not in a court setting though
the legal aspect of it was brought up multiple times. don't blame me.
true quest
now what if the cracker offers the cracked software, you dislike the price, and somehow steal it
pale sigil
I'll be honest though... My 8 games on PS4 I didn't buy 
cursive summit
now what if the cracker offers the cracked software, you dislike the price, and ...
Imagine getting sued for damages by a software cracker
junior ore
What about nintendo modchips?
USA has a rights to repair law for citizens and consumers of products. If we buy something, we own it. We are allowed t repair it or change it and such. Modifying hardware is perfectly legal.
even if John Deer or Apple says you don't have these rights
true quest
i can already see the am i the asshole posts in reddit lel
pale sigil
Wait
cursive summit
USA has a rights to repair law for citizens and consumers of products. If we ...
But what if the hardware makes it so that the software you would normally pay for you no longer have to pay?
And it would never be that way unless you modchip it
cursive summit
Since when do you have right to repair
Ever since Rossmann had a say in it I guess
junior ore
But what if the hardware makes it so that the software you would normally pay fo...
that's less a legal matter and more of a Terms of Service issue.
closest law for that is whatever they decided for stealing cable.
but the cables are properties so
pale sigil
Ever since Rossmann had a say in it I guess <:mm:638142954841833512>
Yes but theres a reason he's still fighting
junior ore
it'd destruction of property
cursive summit
Yes but theres a reason he's still fighting <a:aPES_Giggle:658049192710766614>
Wonderfully so as well
junior ore
now if you were RENTING the hardware
renting the hardware is different
cause you didn't own it.
cursive summit
I mean is Rossmann committing piracy by buying shit from factories that is intellectual property of Apple and without their permission applying it to his repair service?
astral haven
Yes
cursive summit
Didn't hear Apple sue him for it even though he literally admitted on camera for it
pale sigil
Another man's trash is another man's treasure
junior ore
Since when do you have right to repair
astral haven
Didn't hear Apple sue him for it even though he literally admitted on camera for...
It wouldn't be worth the bad pub
They only go after big companies, who don't use stolen boardviews
junior ore
yeah there's deeper paperwork to read into
astral haven
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_repair#United_States
Nice of you to read literally what you linked
junior ore
also spills over into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronics_right_to_repair
astral haven
yeah there's deeper paperwork to read into
No there isn't
The only legislation that exists is proposed
astral haven
Literally in the articles you linked?
The only industry that has right to repair is the car industry
junior ore
you mean these aren't set and stone?
astral haven
There is nothing for consumer goods
junior ore
cause i see words like "implementation"
wha
cars
phones
these things are consumer products
consumer goods
the hell are you talking about?
astral haven
Phones do not have any right to repair legislation
cursive summit
astral haven
Which does not guarantee the right to repair your device...
cursive summit
That one's interesting
astral haven
And that's not a law
It's a supreme court ruling
junior ore
except the case in 2008 and then followed by the stance in 2012....
astral haven
Find the law then
junior ore
i showed them to you 😛
cursive summit
i showed them to you 😛
Those aren't actually laws
Just rulings
For individual cases
Can you use that ruling in case that happens again to justify your case with it? Yes
Is it a law? Ehh, not really
astral haven
Do the device manufacturers need to do ANYTHING AT ALL about these?
No
junior ore
usually rulings in past cases are used in furture cases. it's typically always been that way.
its called Setting Precedence if i recall correctly.
if I am wrong then I made a mistake but am pretty sure thats a thing
ashen spindle
rulings can cause a law to be changed or made, but they are not a law by themselves
astral haven
Yes
So I sue apple because the battery of my phone died and there is no replacement part purchase able from them
What law do I cite?
cursive summit
There is a fair number of right to repair bills that passed the senate and are in effect
junior ore
rulings can cause a law to be changed or made, but they are not a law by themsel...
okay I'll take this as valid and my own bad wording.
junior ore
There is a fair number of right to repair bills that passed the senate and are i...
thank you
ashen spindle
also precedents arent a guarantee the next court would get to the same result
junior ore
Yes
So I sue apple because the battery of my phone died and there is no replacem...
i don't think that's a thing to sue for unless it was a warranty issue.
astral haven
...
So I am not guaranteed the right to repair my device
junior ore
also precedents arent a guarantee the next court would get to the same result
also true but thankfully Appealing exist and higher courts can over-rule previous ones
astral haven
I am just not disallowed from it
junior ore
...
So I am not guaranteed the right to repair my device
havign THE RIGHT to repair something is not the same as THE ABILITY to repair it.
you are conflating two different things
ashen spindle
yes but those could also over rule to favor the other party just as likely
junior ore
if a part doesn;t exist it doesn't exist.
astral haven
Right to repair requires that the parts be purchaseable
junior ore
no it doesn't
astral haven
All the auto laws require it
junior ore
it means you are allowed legally to repair something
astral haven
No
junior ore
yes
cursive summit
no it doesn't
How can you repair something without the parts?
junior ore
How can you repair something without the parts?
irrelevant to if it's legal or not legal to repair it at all
astral haven
If you own something you are allowed to do whatever you want with it
junior ore
again
The LEGAL RIGHT to repair somethings is not the same as THE ABILITY to repair something
junior ore
If you own something you are allowed to do whatever you want with it
and yet apple and john deer and a couple other companies sue people for doing that. they don't always win.
astral haven
If you are guaranteed the right to repair, it is required that the parts be purchaseable that are nescessary for the repairs
junior ore
no it is not
i don't understand how you come to that conlcusion
i outlined the differences
ABILITY and LEGAL RIGHT
astral haven
and yet apple and john deer and a couple other companies sue people for doing th...
You don't own a John Deere tractor is the problem
astral haven
And you don't own the software on the apple device which is what apple has successfully sued using
junior ore
you do if you buy it, actually
astral haven
you do own a tractor if you bought it.
John Deere disagrees
junior ore
digital media ownership was settled in the 70s
astral haven
digital media ownership was settled in the 70s
Please be aware that if you agree to the license agreement, you are bound to it
junior ore
John Deere disagrees
that's their factually wrong opinion 🙃
and they have money to scare people
astral haven
And you are required to agree to the license agreement to use the device
junior ore
Terms of Services are not legal binding.
astral haven
More specifically the software on the device
junior ore
nor do they over rule laws
cursive summit
Extracts the files from the installer and manually puts them into their places bypassing the ToS
astral haven
> Extracts the files from the installer and manually puts them into their places...
Good luck on ios
junior ore
apple is more anal tight than nintendo. it's why i don't buy their phones.
astral haven
Just because you don't buy the devices doesn't mean that you are magically allowed to ignore their license agreement if you do eventually buy one...
junior ore
that absolutely made no sense.
astral haven
Now you may be able to fight the license agreement in court
junior ore
license agreements/terms of services are not legal binding.
astral haven
And successfully
However contract law is very straightforward
They are legally binding
astral haven
It is
junior ore
Terms Of Services cannot legally be enforced if they take away someone's rights, like for repairs.
astral haven
Again there is legal precedent for overturning them
But they are legally binding
astral haven
Terms Of Services cannot legally be enforced if they take away someone's rights,...
There is no legal right to repair
junior ore
i'm not talking about contracts of RENTING farm equipment or such
astral haven
On phones
junior ore
okay well
lets agree to disagree because we aren't goign to get anywhere with that
different topic?
astral haven
i'm not talking about contracts of RENTING farm equipment or such
Look
If you pay a subscription to use the tractor software (which you need to make the tractor work) you are beholden to the license agreement
junior ore
only in terms that they can remove you from said license agreement by their own rules and whims.
but if you BOUGHT the tractor, they can't tow it away
and they can't do anything if you bypass said software with your own.
astral haven
Sure but they can make it inoperable which is the actual problem
junior ore
and thats where modding comes in 😄
astral haven
and they can't do anything if you bypass said software with your own.
The problem is so far efforts have failed at that
junior ore
then we need to get the guys behind game cracks to work on that.
cause what do you think happens when they end-of-life the service for said traktors?
or if the buisness goes down?
astral haven
Wow
It's almost as if it should be illegal to do that...
junior ore
now say that to your house door that remains locked until you access a foreign server
and see how logn it takes for you to crack it when the servers are gone.
astral haven
The problem is so far it is legal for Deere to do this bs so that's why we need laws
junior ore
they found a loophole, yes.
and yes we do need stronger Right to repair laws.
we agree on those.
cursive summit
Can you children go back to talking about funky tech stuff now
astral haven
Again tho
There is no law that guarantees that it be possible to repair the device
Regardless of ability
astral haven
Still not passed :/
cursive summit
Wasn't Louis R. in NY originally before he moved?
junior ore
so I technicallycorrect so i'll take my internet cookie. X3
empty wren
Wasn't Louis R. in NY originally before he moved?
Yes
junior ore
this says passes, how is it not passed?
ashen spindle
junior ore
yeah it passed but it needs a year
cursive summit
Well soon to be in effect then, progress at last
ashen spindle
and they had similar cases in the past that ended up as not laws after all
astral haven
The governor hasn't signed it
ashen spindle
so its not without precedent that it could still fail
astral haven
and they had similar cases in the past that ended up as not laws after all
We have been really close many many times :(
junior ore
unless lobbyism is done by apple and john deer, it probably maybe will get passed fully.
but of course it's legal for millions of dollars to suddenly appear in their bank account and he says no 🙂
ashen spindle
maybe, but I remember rossman citing at least 3 times a proposal made it that far, usually before a long break and after the break they suddenly decided to not put it into law after all
so lobby money can still stop this
I hope it doesn't but it could
ashen spindle
cursive summit
https://twitter.com/theBryceIsRt/status/1532775229356969988 there it is
Tf is that spaceship
junior ore
that looks way longer than the average
cursive summit
Intel will release their own cases just to fit that massive schlong?
crimson wigeon
Quick someone steal it and run benchmarks
ashen spindle
idk those fans look pretty normal size
cursive summit
Perspective looks shit
junior ore
also i have my doubts about intel being a serious competitor in the gaming GPU market. They've made APUs yes but they've typically always sucked because they don't bother with things like OpenGL and other important bits :V
cursive summit
They won't be anytime soon
Best case scenario they help with availability
Assuming anybody even wants their cards
I imagine their shit will crash constantly
Can't expect them to have good drivers
junior ore
look at the height ( on it's side) and you can get an estimate of the size fo it. it's going to fit the slit on the backside of conventional comptuer cases so that's a set height.
using that as reference : it's long as fuck
cursive summit
Assuming the thing's the top SKU with 16 gigs of G6, that's about what I would expect for a card that rivals a 3070
junior ore
it's probably the same length as mine if not a tad longer. mine has too much excessive annoying plastic.
junior ore
it is a drop. in the sense of returning closer towards normal. NFT crashing so they aren't buyign as much GPU
junior ore
you can go to bestbuy and find market retail prices
astral haven
using that as reference : it's long as fuck
It's around double the length of the pcie slot...
That's really short...
junior ore
whats the conversion to euro?
cursive summit
I CAN GET A DAMN 6900XT FOR SAME PRICE
ashen spindle
check amds store, they literally have cards in stock at msrp right now...
cursive summit
Hell's with the 6800 availability
junior ore
double?! hell naw thats 3 or 4 times
ashen spindle
yes they do...
cursive summit
Que?
crimson wigeon
crimson wigeon
But I only see the xx50 cards bruh
cursive summit
Anybody have a link for a proper EU store?
junior ore
i'm thinking of waiting for the next generation coming out this year though. a more bigger jump from the 5700XT III
ashen spindle
he just linked the eu store...
cursive summit
AMD keeps redirecting to an U.S store
cursive summit
That sell 6800XT at 300 euros over MSRP
junior ore
ashen spindle
idk what you are talking about I can buy this and its an eu shop
junior ore
300 over is still an improvement over 1000. it'll get better over time.
6750 for 600? thats not a bad price.
crimson wigeon
But does the add to cart button work for you it doesn't for me pepelaugh
junior ore
are you using a VPN or something?
ashen spindle
I bought a 5800x3d for a friend recently so I can confirm it works
junior ore
try exiting the website and googling back into it
astral haven
double?! hell naw thats 3 or 4 times
junior ore
the link provided was specifically a US one
crimson wigeon
No my link should redirect you to the proper one for yer country
astral haven
Perspective is super messed up
It's ultra wide squeezed + at an angle
crimson wigeon
If it don't then your country isn't worthy
cursive summit
AMD literally redirects from EUR store to USD if you click on "amd.com availability"
junior ore
the angle is consistent though
and thankfulyl these are hard edges lol
lets draw some lines then
ashen spindle
I kind doubt that based on the amount of people I saw getting cards with their bots from that site...
junior ore
I just realized i forgot i don't have graphic editing software on ym laptop yet and forgot to install them
astral haven
Its really dang close
junior ore
i recommend waiting to buy a video card until the new ones come out
astral haven
^^^^^
crimson wigeon
Yeah it worked in incognito guess some of my extensions make it act up pepelaugh
ashen spindle
oh absolutely, was just to show the amd store has eu options
cursive summit
i recommend waiting to buy a video card until the new ones come out
Nah I'm waiting for now, the next gen is too close to release
junior ore
Its really dang close
i legit cannot tell what you are doing to tell anything honestly.
astral haven
Unless you get a 1080ti for 150 lol
Evga is having some insane sales
cursive summit
Yeah I dunno why the AMD store keeps redirecting me to the americas
junior ore
👍
astral haven
i legit cannot tell what you are doing to tell anything honestly.
Bottom of grid is aligned with bottom of card
Pcie slot back end is aligned with the first line from the bottom
Second line is double the distance from io to back of pcie slot
cursive summit
A bit too close for me to shell out a grand on a 6900
astral haven
Yup
ashen spindle
gotta save your money for your electricity bill
cursive summit
Kind of hard to imagine that next gen actually launches in a month
junior ore
Bottom of grid is aligned with bottom of card
Pcie slot back end is aligned with...
but the X axis grid line is much shorter than the Y axis line
crimson wigeon
And me too also waiting for next gen now.. just gotta hold out a bit longer...
ashen spindle
but not july, august is the latest date someone mentioned
astral haven
but the X axis grid line is much shorter than the Y axis line
I'm measuring against the length of the pcie slot
Not the size of the io shield
junior ore
it still looks 3-4 times longer than it is taller.
astral haven
Sure
It's a short card
cursive summit
but not july, august is the latest date someone mentioned
Kopite mentioned mid July
junior ore
the IO shield is what gives you the length
astral haven
What
junior ore
because it has a set height
it's all standardized
if oyu know the height, which is the size of the standard measurement to fit in a normal CU case : you know the length
roughly*
by stacking the height length along the card
ashen spindle
yes but that info from kopite was a bit older
cursive summit
cursive summit
Well we have the announcement for the announcement for the launch on June 9 I'm guessing
junior ore
also i said fuckit and googled it : it's 396mm. which is longer than other flagships
ashen spindle
.. tahts the die size not the card size
astral haven
Lol
junior ore
?
ashen spindle
the arc die is 396mm^2
cursive summit
40 cm card does sound tiny
ashen spindle
not the length of the card lol
junior ore
n-no? that's the legnth from one end to the next. of the whole video card.
i said mm, millimetres.
cursive summit
So it's 40 cm
junior ore
not nanometers
ashen spindle
yes a die is not nanometers big lol
cursive summit
Von bon, how old are you again?
wet canopy
long boi
junior ore
what do you mean by "die" then?
ashen spindle
the gpu chip
junior ore
we weren't talking abotu the chip size
ashen spindle
I know..
junior ore
we were talking about the length fo the whole card
ashen spindle
but you googled and came back with the area of the die..
astral haven
Look at this image
The line in red is 150mm
It's slightly under 300mm long
junior ore
i'm not crazy here
wet canopy
is a long boi
astral haven
It isn't that long geez
ashen spindle
ok, other question, where did you get teh 396mm from
ashen spindle
ok, what google result did you get your number from..
junior ore
hold on my screenshot broke
wet canopy
400 mm = 40 cm
metric innit
junior ore
astral haven
That's the die size
Read the article
ashen spindle
bruh
astral haven
It's mm2
Mm2 is area of something
junior ore
okay no. a chip is not FIFTEEEN INCHES LONG
wet canopy
I mean it's not a flat object
astral haven
396mm2 is tiiiiiny, so it must be the chip
ashen spindle
bruh
final flame
it's the area of it
wet canopy
I think whoever wrote that article mixed up some measurements
junior ore
but thats ... squared isn't it?
astral haven
It's something like 20x20mm
ashen spindle
AREA not LENGTH
junior ore
because
cursive summit
40cm is not tiny
junior ore
its a rectangle
ashen spindle
astral haven
^
junior ore
this is confusing
ashen spindle
no it really isnt
junior ore
well i thought it was exponential cause area, not ... uh. whatever that is.
final flame
multiply the length x height you get the number you saw
cursive summit
Anyways, nobody really knows how long those cards will be
They aren't in retail yet
junior ore
how does it come out to 15 inches long?
wet canopy
coincidence
ashen spindle
ok im trying to break this down once more on the hopeful believe you are not trolling
it has a area of 396 mm SQUARED
cursive summit
We have a 2nd Lana now, let's prosper lads
junior ore
dies but also has to go afk to drive home
astral haven
It's less than 156 x2 mm long
So it's less than the length of the founders 3080 at the same height and width
ashen spindle
I dont know american units but I know area size does not suddenly turn into length...
ashen spindle
cute
wet canopy
oh so it's not that big, probably as big as my current card then
like a foot long or so
ashen spindle
its a very different card
wet canopy
30ish cm
ashen spindle
thats not the same as the one we talked about from the IEM event showcase
astral haven
It's likely smaller than most gpus tbh
It's only 2 slots
wet canopy
I was looking at pictures it does look thin
cursive summit
Anyways lads
Here is some scientific guesstimations
The card does look like 23 cm's long
wet canopy
oh wow
astral haven
And we have 6400 c32 now
It's getting faster and lower latency by the month
cursive summit
GDDR or DDR?
wet canopy
DDR
astral haven
Ddr
wet canopy
RAM
cursive summit
In what world 8 gigs of DDR5 cost 40 euros
astral haven
In a world where the smallest stick you can buy is 16
wet canopy
tbh it seems better to go with 2 sticks of 16 if just for the voltages
astral haven
Yea don't buy those
But hey at least it's an option
old marlin
Which is geizhals
astral haven
tbh it seems better to go with 2 sticks of 16 if just for the voltages
4 ics per channel ain't enough
16 requires a minimum of 8 ics atm which is nice
cursive summit
Wtf since when is 16GBs of DDR4 50$
Why was I under the illusion 16 gigs of RAM costed 100$
wet canopy
it used to
ashen spindle
also funny that you want two sticks for dd4 but one for ddr5 for OC results lol
at least currently
cursive summit
Ahhh I see why
astral haven
Wtf since when is 16GBs of DDR4 50$
That's ddr4 lmao
astral haven
I got a pair of 32gb sticks for $80 each
cursive summit
About what I'd expect I guess
Tf would be the purpose of buying high speed DDR4 anymore if you can instead get DDR5
astral haven
Speedyboi stuff is spensiv still
astral haven
Tf would be the purpose of buying high speed DDR4 anymore if you can instead get...
Ddr4 is still alot faster at the high end
cursive summit
But muh MHz
ashen spindle
you also cant really chose but gotta get what your board supports
astral haven
But muh MHz
Mt/s
ashen spindle
Mbps masterrace
cursive summit
Mountains per second?
empty wren
Mountains bikes*
wet canopy
Tf would be the purpose of buying high speed DDR4 anymore if you can instead get...
people that are still on ddr4 boards
wet canopy
either spending 100 bucks on the RAM, or like 400 on a new mobo