🔌│tech

[young pecan]

That... does not seem fantastic.

And I question the validity of carrying around multiple hot swap batteries to push the runtime to 6 hours.

[astral haven]

Cheaper than a 30k ups

[reef tundra]

Would you even want to carry 17k laptop around

[astral haven]

17k if you fill it with all 4 ssds

[young pecan]

At that stage just use an app like Parsec and have yourself a mobile workstation?

[astral haven]

Can't connect like 4 cameras to parsec

[young pecan]

Can't you?

Iirc it has that kind of stupid fuckery.

[astral haven]

Definetly not on hot-spot internet

[young pecan]

Depends where you are.

US hotspot, possibly.

[astral haven]

Really doesnt

[young pecan]

1080p? :D

[astral haven]

5g ain't fast enough for 1080p60 444 from pretty much any serious camera

[young pecan]

Wait whut?

[astral haven]

Yea

[young pecan]

5G can do 25 MB/s.

[reef tundra]

If it is lossless you cant send shit with any camera

[astral haven]

It can't do 250MB/s

[young pecan]

You don't need 250.

That's insane overkill.

By almost 10 times.

[astral haven]

That's what the hdmi out of my camera gives 🤷

[young pecan]

Ok sure.

But UDP says hello.

So even if your HDMI does that, the internet does not.

[astral haven]

Yes

Which is why it's connected locally and cpu encoded

[young pecan]

But the receiving end is across the internet.

So the bottleneck is still there.

[astral haven]

After encoding

[reef tundra]

Just plug in an 8tb ssd and go film something

[young pecan]

True, and you might lose some quality unless you encode it on the local machine and throw the broadcast at the home station.

Just something you don't also need a 3080 for.

Save on power, make it smaller, etc.

[reef tundra]

Use TCP

[astral haven]

Won't save much power

[young pecan]

Ah yes.

[astral haven]

It's the same vpu

[young pecan]

True, but you'd allow hardware acceleration with something that isn't moronic as well.

But why tf are we even talking this?

Who the hell is streaming 1080p60 to youtube on a device that costs 17 thousand dollars?

That isn't a PC.

[reef tundra]

Would be easier to use some cloud computing solution if you need performance on the go

[astral haven]

You brought it up

Depends on the performancr

[young pecan]

@reef tundra That's what I said.

[astral haven]

That's not an option for pretty much any work

[young pecan]

What kind of work?

[astral haven]

Broadcast

[young pecan]

Obviously not, but then why bother using a mobile solution to that?

I mean...

Maybe hikers?

[astral haven]

Because that's a thing that happens?

[young pecan]

I'd be down to watch a hiker stream to youtube.

Just wandering up mountains.

[astral haven]

I'd prefer to wake up at 6 and plonk my laptop down and cable for an hour than wake up at 4 and set up for 3 hours

[reef tundra]

and then hit his head to the only tree in the surroundings because the superchat caught his attention

[young pecan]

True, but what are you streaming that requires an uber strong mobile station?

[astral haven]

Like my laptop has a 1060 because I did realize I didn't care

[young pecan]

@reef tundra Pog

[reef tundra]

Hentai

[astral haven]

But the 3080 was only an example

A 3060 is fucking fast as hell still

[young pecan]

Exactly, so hence my original sentence.

Who tf is this thing marketed toward?

[astral haven]

Whoever needs it

The 3080 is for the oil folks maybe

[young pecan]

All 4 streaming hikers on Youtube, yes.

[astral haven]

Tho they probably need more storage and vram

[reef tundra]

To people that want a stylised space heater that allows them to flex on the poor

[young pecan]

Lmfao

[astral haven]

Doesn't have enough rgb for that

[young pecan]

Just stick strips on the frame.

Problem fix.

[reef tundra]

They are too poor to observe the rgb so it doesnt matter

[astral haven]

And a 3080 max p is absolutely the most efficient gpu outside of a 3080 max q

[reef tundra]

The abbacus is more efficient. never runs out of batteries. Unlike the new fangled technology

https://tenor.com/view/math-raccoon-abacus-computing-gif-17631243

look at how happy he is

[young pecan]

It's like that fucked logic.

Free raspberry pi has infinite price to performance.

[astral haven]

Idk about you but my time is worth money

[young pecan]

But infinite price to performance.

Move over, pathetic 3090.

[astral haven]

It's what 48 hours of work the 3060 to 3080 upgrade would need to offset?

[young pecan]

Nah nah nah.

Price to performance is infinite.

The logic works... if you squint at it.

[astral haven]

Sure

[reef tundra]

But look at how happy he is with his abacus

[young pecan]

Free abacus. Infinite price to performance and it uses no power.

Even higher stonks.

[reef tundra]

its not the 3090 that he likes

[astral haven]

That is not a happy raccoon that is a angry raccoon who wants food

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-gif-18932176

[young pecan]

Y’know what? Not as bad as my roommate’s lovebird.

[reef tundra]

Why? guilty of being a simp?

[young pecan]

She's an asshat.

Constant dickhead bird, bites everyone, actually growls at people.

Previous owner neglected her badly and now she's fucked up. Horrible to deal with.

[reef tundra]

Id imagine. Birds can be really petty/unpleasant sometimes. Especially certain ones can be hard to deal with.

Can understand why it would be pissed off.

[young pecan]

I get it too, but c’mon.

I give her honey seed things that she likes so much and she tried to rip chunks off me.

Didn’t even try and touch her, just put seed in the cage and walk off.

[reef tundra]

Yea, wonder how much different a wild one would behave.

Hard to train them when their old(er) i think

[young pecan]

Pog.

[reef tundra]

Which kidney you sell?

[young pecan]

None of em yet.

Loans. :D

[reef tundra]

Pawned of his kidney

Getting it back at the end of the month

[young pecan]

Lmao

[reef tundra]

With the money you made with the videocards

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-everything-everything-big-climb-stocks-rising-up-inflation-gif-18621045

[limpid panther]

I wish someone would make a card with the power connectors in the rear of the card and not on top

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

I also like my chips manufactured in Nike

[ashen spindle]

Starting early with the dad jokes huh?

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/what-else-is-there-what-else-anything-else-asking-curious-gif-15622110

[old marlin]

https://www.mightyapp.com/

this has to be a joke

[sudden glacier]

https://downloadmorerem.com/

[ashen spindle]

damn macs get so shit they now need a web hosted browser

what kind of shit pc do you as the CEO use?

[old marlin]

[ashen spindle]

the only thing im looking out for with tabs is that I have less than 200 or whatever it is I can display on my main screen at once

[shadow minnow]

Me: planning to build a first pc after 2 years and half, what could happen?

PSU prices 📈
GPU shortage
CPU I wanted price 📈
First mobo broken
Watercooling part prices 📈
Intel OC warranty ❌

What’s next

[ashen spindle]

sorry but

CPU I wanted performance 📉
is false

its actually doing better than almost everyone expected 😛

[shadow minnow]

Well, price is higher than expected ima edit

[cursive summit]

5600X isn't that badly priced

Also why would anyone use an AIO

[ashen spindle]

where does anyone mention the 5600x?

[cursive summit]

Just use air like a normie

[shadow minnow]

Who said aio?

[ashen spindle]

you need to work on your telepathy skills 😛

[cursive summit]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-galaxy-shocked-waah-gif-14392590

Ain't watercoolers = aio or whatever

[ashen spindle]

what do you think aio stands for

[cursive summit]

AllInOne watercooler?

[shadow minnow]

I want to go for custom loop watercooling, not All in one

[cursive summit]

Eh, why tho

[shadow minnow]

But also really no idea where is the 5600x from

[cursive summit]

You plan on OCing to dangerous levels or something

You are an AMD user, and 5600X is the most commonly criticized part for being too expensive

[ashen spindle]

man where are you getting amd from now?

[shadow minnow]

High OC and when not OC then quiet. Also looks, and already have some parts, especially the fittings had a nice price tag

[ashen spindle]

yeah really looks like AMD right?

[cursive summit]

Isn't Bex an amd shill?

[ashen spindle]

apple and intel, not amd lol

[cursive summit]

Oh shit that's the guy from yesterday

[shadow minnow]

Where do you get that from?

[cursive summit]

Yeah I mistook this fool to the guy from yesterday

[ashen spindle]

I only know of one amd shill that is sometimes active here and I have him blocked

[cursive summit]

With 69 in his name

[shadow minnow]

Not really intel shill that much, the CPU sucks and would not recommend it to nearly anyone. But Apple, kinda, also not completely but kinda yes

[cursive summit]

Quinn you (probably) don't have me blocked cause I say funny dumb shit at times eh?

[shadow minnow]

Wait, where is the quinn, and not quin from now?

[patent glacier]

No cookies for @solar hinge

[ashen spindle]

I usually don't block people unless I just get agitated when reading it and illogical fanboy talk that you can't argue against is one of them

[cursive summit]

Piss off

[ashen spindle]

bexin at least knows he's an apple shill

[cursive summit]

So a determined shill is more tolerable than a closet shill?

Hm, good take on things

[fickle ore]

me?

[ashen spindle]

lol no

[fickle ore]

xD

[cursive summit]

Jesus Asus ROG Flow X13  is powerful

Oh that's a laptop

[shadow minnow]

Well, I am not like I would defend completely every Apple thing, also think some stuff sucks, and also I admit I am sometimes unreasonable.
I guess that’s better than just someone arguing against absolutely everything and saying nonsense just to defend company in any case. Which there sadly are people like this on all sides

[cursive summit]

Shit I was hoping it was a sff

[fickle ore]

Any good PCIE 4.0 nvme ssds for the price atm? havent kept up.

[ashen spindle]

didn't see anything new so nothing aside form pricecuts maybe

[fickle ore]

;/

[shadow minnow]

About intel, like, I have kinda gone for unreasonable CPU, but that’s myself.
Also spent hours explaining my friend while amd was better for his budget year ago, even though I wanted to go intel myself

[fickle ore]

still missing an ssd + graphics card from a full system ugprade

[ashen spindle]

think we need at least one more generation of controllers before the currently good ones slip down into reasonable pricing area

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[fickle ore]

Yeah agree, current pcie 4.0 arent much of an upgrade for gaming

Best one for gaming now is probs EOL'd intel 3d Xpoint

[shadow minnow]

Just now there are first gen 4 full speed SSDs, all using same mcu. Although it usually throttles after time it would take to write down its whole capacity even in 2tb ssds, it’s still 2-5 minutes and you get worse performance cause ssd thermals

And also the prices

I myself got an gen 4 ssd. It’s really fast but not that useful for most of people. Who knows if things like nvidia rtx io will change anything about that

[ashen spindle]

you mean directstorage

rtx io is just once again nvidia trying to brand it like they made it

[fickle ore]

rtx I/O no, directstorage maybe. RTX I/O is just using gpu to decompress/compress data on the fly instead of using the cpu

both should speed up data though

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, just forgot the direct storage name

Are there any games yet, or where are there supposed to be first games supporting direct storage?

[ashen spindle]

you'll first see it on console games in the next year(s) imo

there it makes much more sense as you're hardware limited

[shadow minnow]

Since normal ram is being used by iGPU as vram, Will ram OC have any impact on it? Did not have time to test before mobo ded

[ashen spindle]

yes

[solar hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meoooow-meow-trp-trp10-gif-18218658

[wheat plume]

hmmmm interesting choices here

[halcyon moss]

so stock it is

[wheat plume]

you got to select the right ucode also

the lil arrow beside it lets you choose intel or amd

[halcyon moss]

.. but why..?

[wheat plume]

cause idk

I think if you choose the wrong one it will detect that and install the proper one duringinstall

[halcyon moss]

then why do you even get that choice?

[ashen spindle]

how about detecting when you open that menu

[wheat plume]

idk xd

[halcyon moss]

arch is strange

[wheat plume]

this isnt pure arch

its XeroLinux, based on ArchLinux

They add their own menus and options into the installer so you can add the software you want during install

[halcyon moss]

ah, new day, new distro

[ashen spindle]

ah yes, would be not complicated enough otherwise

[wheat plume]

yeah....

too many distros

[halcyon moss]

tahts why i've been using ubuntu for the last 10 years or so

probably more :p

[wheat plume]

want font is this?!

I like it but it seems a bit wide, idk

[halcyon moss]

it looks like a monospaced one

[wheat plume]

Yeah, it does

odd choice for UI font

[ashen spindle]

jetbrains ide?

[wheat plume]

jetbrains mono?

[ashen spindle]

eh, yeah tahts what I meant

looks similar at least

[wheat plume]

LOL OK THIS IS GREAT :')

[halcyon moss]

cringe

to the extreme

[wheat plume]

oh, hack... yeah, this is monospace alright

[ashen spindle]

that.. has nothing to with monospace fonts?

[wheat plume]

huh?

Hack is monospaced

[ashen spindle]

how tf am I supposed to know that xD

just from your screenshot I dont know that and idk what hack is

[halcyon moss]

youre a hack

[ashen spindle]

[wheat plume]

idk why they are using a font intended for command line as the UI font

but ok then

[ashen spindle]

man im not moving away from using nvidia for my work pc anytime soon
RTX voice is a blessing for online meetings

I dont understand how so many people can work in IT with multiple meetings a week and they never fix the mic

[wheat plume]

i have no way of knowing how loud my mic is in calls,

it kind of sucks

[ashen spindle]

you know you can make a test call and set that up etc.?

in teams at least

[halcyon moss]

I think i have a lot of fan noise in my laptop mic.. but its mostly ok

just tried the test call, its fine

[young pecan]

You could always monitor the mic?

So long as it has some kind of audio passthrough.

[ashen spindle]

laptop sure, but I kind doubt all our artist etc. work on a laptop xD

[young pecan]

Or you get a USB interface.

[ashen spindle]

even then in our case you could just ask to use a mic from the office, nobody uses that anyway atm

[wheat plume]

oh xd

idk why I like the sound of floppy drives and cd drives while reading and writing

[young pecan]

When you’re wealthy enough to buy WinRAR.

Pog.

[umbral knot]

if physical licenses of winrar exist could you steal winrar

instead of just downloading and not paying

[wheat plume]

and get a one off personalised version on floppy disk

[ashen spindle]

that'd be.. a win arr`

[wheat plume]

[young pecan]

@ashen spindle Good job, you win an Internet.

10/10 joke.

Fucking love dad jokes.

[halcyon moss]

What is a decent low latency gamepad, preferably wireless.
options: xbox one, ps4/5, 8bitdo

[wheat plume]

why does youtube music take so long to start playing a new song? I noticed it took longer this week and its not my wifi speed cause that can load long ass videos on youtube no issues

[young pecan]

shrugs YT music can just be like that at times.

[wheat plume]

the mobile app also got an update this week

[young pecan]

Holy shit finally. I’m done with crypto work today.

[wheat plume]

o?

[young pecan]

Drove 2 hours for 2 cards, put them together, started up the terrifying expensive mining board for the first time.

Getting 3 more cards tomorrow.

The cycle doesn’t end.

And I can confirm the mining board running HiveOS does indeed push 64MH/s from a single 3070. That’s about as hard as I could ever hope to push it.

[wheat plume]

O.o

[young pecan]

7 3070s tomorrow, and the rest of the mining frame and shit to run them all in a single rig arrives in 2 weeks.

[wheat plume]

bish wat?!!!!

[young pecan]

Should be 2 or so months before I can populate more slots.

I got some loans. :P

[wheat plume]

some

fucking millionaire?

[young pecan]

And I happened upon a supplier that can give me 3070s at 1500 AUD each.

Nah. 20 grand.

[wheat plume]

🤔 wont that take like years of mining to pay back?

[young pecan]

About 6 months.

[wheat plume]

dafuq

[young pecan]

Emerging markets. :P

[ashen spindle]

mindfactory has 3090's for 2.5k€ atm

[young pecan]

Jeeeeez.

Fuck that.

[ashen spindle]

a whole 3 units!

[young pecan]

Fuuuuuck that! Lmmaoooooo

3 grand AUD is about the same as a 3090 in power for me because of my supplier.

2.5 euro, yeah ok sure.

Fucking scalper prices.

[ashen spindle]

aaand its sold

[young pecan]

https://youtu.be/z3EdGpEQV58

Oh boy.

That...

That is not good at all. :L

It literally cuts like paper.

Sounds like it too.

[reef tundra]

Made like a tank, just not where it should be

[young pecan]

None of it is like that, though.

Even the thick side panels cut like paper.

Admittedly good paper, but still paper.

[reef tundra]

The weak spots are enough to consider the armoured places useless.

[young pecan]

The strongest part of the build is probably the guide pin that holds the code wheels in place. :L

[reef tundra]

Thin aluminium plate/mesh would have been more effective than this woven paper

[young pecan]

Literally a canvas bag is harder to cut.

Any fibre construct at all.

Even shitty fibre mesh reinforcement.

[reef tundra]

Stab proof plating would be more effective

Usually a very fine mesh that entrenches the blade

[young pecan]

Scraps of wood and twigs stripped from a tree and glued to the inside would have been more effective. :/

[reef tundra]

2mm steel plate and youre golden

[fickle ore]

How bad of a deal is ASUS gtx 3060 dual OC version for 650€ shipped including taxes?

[young pecan]

Ehh.

Not great, obviously, but not horrific rn either.

[fickle ore]

blergh

[young pecan]

Yeh.

[reef tundra]

Market rate(covid one) I would say

[fickle ore]

3070 for 1.2k€

x19

[young pecan]

Try to find a 3070 at 1.5k AUD.

Maybe 1.6 or so.

If you mine on it within a few months you can push that cost down to about MSRP.

[reef tundra]

Only get it if you need it. But if you got money to burn

[young pecan]

Mmm.

Basically that. Just put your research in and mine with whatever you can.

[fickle ore]

Yeah meh just waiting

[young pecan]

Just make sure whatever you buy has more then 5 gig of VRAM.

[reef tundra]

Maybe an used last gen would be interresting if you dont have it already

[fickle ore]

Guess I'll just invest again lol

[ivory geyser]

ROFL xD

[crisp granite]

bruh

[sudden glacier]

more like #🐸│memes

what a product

[hard thicket]

time to time 3090's drop down to 2200€

if you are in germany/austria

[crisp granite]

still waiting for that release

[dry tendon]

I hope they also improved some of the game's textures

[crisp granite]

I love metro exodus, but the RT was pretty weak

and yea

some textures are fairly blurry

[dry tendon]

I actually love Metro Exodus' RT since its one of the few games where its a full on upgrade

even in Control there are some downgrades to certain parts of the scene when you enable RT

[crisp granite]

I just can't stand the performance hit for the RT you get

for me, outside of the moscow, yamantau and dead city levels

I didn't really notice

[dry tendon]

IDK I was mind blown from it especially in the open world since it was so awesome to see it in action as the weeather moved

I noticed it immediately in the Tsar Riba (fish) section

RT on vs OFf its like a different building lol

[crisp granite]

as in, not as mindblowing and noticeable as minecraft RTX

that was a complete upgrade

I didn't really see the RT adding much

[dry tendon]

Global Illumination is the biggest single upgrade with RT

[crisp granite]

muzzle flash was a little more vibrant

[dry tendon]

I agree that adding more = betterer but still

[crisp granite]

I tried all sorts of various things that produce light

like firing weapons

molotovs

[dry tendon]

It is from the sun

[crisp granite]

shouldn't muzzle flash illuminate even a little?

[dry tendon]

It does but it uses Rasterized GI

so not RT

In Metro Exodus 2019 only the Sun can cast RT Global Illumination

[crisp granite]

not really, more just not well versed in every little thing out there

[dry tendon]

In the Two Colonels, the Sun (for all of 5 mins yuo see it ) and the Emissive Lights also cast RT GI

in Exodus 2021 almost everything will add to the new version of RTGI

You can use an AMD RX 6000 series GPU too

[crisp granite]

with a huge performance hit

like every other RT title atm

[dry tendon]

Ehh there are certain RT commands that are faster on AMD. But yes it is overall slower

but its still usable IMHO

[crisp granite]

yeah

[dry tendon]

This is imperfect but from what I read - it makes sense

Note, this 3080 has an increased power limit (by 25W) and so does this 6800 XT by 15W*

[pale sigil]

Wait

[dry tendon]

No idea there, I do not understand that much

[pale sigil]

do we get Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition for free \

[dry tendon]

Yes

[pale sigil]

^

[dry tendon]

Overall I really like RDNA 2. Like really. But it does have some cons. Such is life

[pale sigil]

will people who own it get it for free

[dry tendon]

Yes

[ashen spindle]

yeah I can't mine as well to offset my cost of getting it

[pale sigil]

will this dlss2

?

[dry tendon]

SapphireNation will soon have a RDNA 2 arrticle up

DLSS 2.1

[reef tundra]

Artyom best boy

[pale sigil]

damn son

[dry tendon]

Ehh it depends. I will be honest with you, since i do not consider the 3070 (8GB at 500 USD lmao) I am left with the excellent as fuck 3060 Ti and very good 3080 which uses a bit too much power and has a bit too little VRAM to truly capture me

[pale sigil]

My 3080 gonna cry

[crisp granite]

my RTX 3070 gonna die

a painful death

:)

[dry tendon]

Game runs as well as it did previously

[pale sigil]

so

its gonna cry

xD

[crisp granite]

wait

wut

[ashen spindle]

he has a hand for breaking hardware so his 3080 will cry no matter what

[dry tendon]

more FP16x2 usage, more optimized renderer

[pale sigil]

i didn't bother with dlss in the first

it was very very very bad

[dry tendon]

Yes. DLSS before 2.0 is not considered at all

[pale sigil]

looking forward to it

[dry tendon]

I will check the game once more. I like Exodus, but I feel its weaker than Last Light

and compared to STALKER it isnt even a contender ;d

And compared to the books it doesnt even exist

I dont play TES either. But I do play other modded games. Even 16 I can break easily.
VRAM is a good thing long term. So for the 3070 which I consider a 4K class card to have to turn down settings in Doom Eternal, Wolfenstein 2 (at 1440p), RE2 Remake at 1440p, and in CB 2077 with RT on at 1440p

Those are the games I know with 100% certain that the 3070 loses due to VRAM at least SOME performance

so you need to turn down settings

[ashen spindle]

there have already been cases where a game needed 8gb and was not TES, think it was godfall?

[dry tendon]

Mind you, I attacked the RX 5700 XT and RTX 2070 last year too for 8 GB at 400 USD so I even lowered mystandard 😦

[dry tendon]

I havent tested it so IDK. But those above that I listed -> i am sure of

[ashen spindle]

granted it was an amd sponsored game, but I doubt they made it waste VRAM usage for a marketing play

yeah doom I remember some benchmark showing that too

[dry tendon]

I am at 4K 😛

Well for 1080p I guess a 3070is fine for now and a 3080 will be fine for a long time

That is true Locke, but once you see a 4K LG HDR OLED TV at 120 hz, you will hate all LCD panels and every single 1080p monitor ever made

I am nto saying this makes sense for you

obviously its not cheap

But it is a bigger upgrade in visuals

than going from a RX 370 lets say to a RTX 3090

I do mean that BTW. The jump from Low to Ultra is big, but the jump from LCD to OLED + HDR is probably bigger than that

[ashen spindle]

I'm sad and glad I'm on 3440x1440@100, because it's nice all around, but any form of upgrade cost a shit ton

[dry tendon]

So am I. But thankfully we have TVs 😄

But yeah I get ya dude

Fair enough. But yeah from my POV, 3060 Ti is good even if I wanted more, 3070 is bad, 3070 Ti seems to be a joke, 3080 is good

But so is 6800 XT and 6800

6900 XT and 3090 are memes and nothing more

[ashen spindle]

they are memes, and while I think just from those two the 3090 has more of a justification to exist, the 6900xt is more impressive as it shows how far they can push a really good bin

[dry tendon]

I own one. I got it under MSRP and sold a 6800 XT a week later and gained money doing so lmao

[ashen spindle]

but makes less sense as a product

[dry tendon]

I dont consider the 3090 a prosumer card since it has no prosumer drivers

the RTX Titan (full chip Turing) sometimes CURBSTOMPs it

in workloads

[crisp granite]

seems more like a meme card

something for bragging rights

because in terms of practicality

...

[dry tendon]

3090 is a 350W space heater with hot af VRAM and no prosumer drivers at 1500 USD
The 6900 XT is a 300W meme card with no reason to exist

both annoy me deeply

Yeah, the Radeon VII and RTX Titan

[crisp granite]

it's possible to get RTX 3090 performance with an OCed 3080, a card that costs half as much

so, why does the 3090 exist?

[ashen spindle]

bc people buy it

they saw people buying titans fore pure gaming

[dry tendon]

Well a OCed 3090 can be faster than your 3080 and has a lot more VRAM

[proper crystal]

Also 3080 has little VRAM.

[crisp granite]

ffs

[dry tendon]

The 3090 is an ALMOST full chip (so not even Titan) that is aimed at gamers

[ashen spindle]

and I dont mean the titans that made sense for gaming

ther were some of those

[crisp granite]

I didn't see why the titan RTX was even used as a gaming card

[ashen spindle]

people bought the ones that had almost no extra gain for pure gaming

[crisp granite]

it's not that much better than an RTX 2080ti

[dry tendon]

People for whom 2500 USD are nothing do exist

[crisp granite]

and it was twice the cost

[crimson wigeon]

but it's a TITAN!

[crisp granite]

🤮

if that's the value for money I get, I don't want a titan

[dry tendon]

and in terms of hardware he was VERY low-tier in knowledge

Like redditor level knowledge. r Nvidia or r AMD tier

[crisp granite]

I'm only on r/AyyMD for shits and giggles

[dry tendon]

The memes are great

[crisp granite]

because memes about AMD CPUs against intel's space heaters are funny

[dry tendon]

I made some memes too 😄

[crisp granite]

so true

the 3600 truly is the saviour of the realm

[dry tendon]

LOL 😄

[hard thicket]

as someone that daily drives two 3090 upgraded from two quadro rtx5000's the 3090 demolishes the entire quadro lineup for graphical work

with studio drivers.

for literally 1/3 the price

if that isn't prosumer enough, then idk what is

[dry tendon]

Possible. But I know in some benches the RTX Titan beats the 3090 hard just cause of drivers. I know not all prosumer workloads require special driver support

Some of them run just fine without it

[hard thicket]

not in octane render

or other graphical tasks as mentioned

[dry tendon]

Fair. Still doesnt mean I like the 3090 though

for 1500 I expect the full chip and prosumer drivers

[hard thicket]

just because you don't like it doesn't mean it has no use in the prosumer world

[crisp granite]

in reality, more like 2k

[dry tendon]

More like 3K

I dont think there is a product that has "no place"

But a return to the 100-1300 USD Titan Pascall with prosumer driver support

is a far superior vision of the world and I think you'd agree ;d

*though it took like motnhs till it got those drivers, which I do realize

[hard thicket]

those old pascal titans go for pretty cheap actually

or used to 4-5 months ago

[dry tendon]

Not anymore 😦

[hard thicket]

i even remember seeing a deal with a Radeon VII for 380 bucks

i regret not going for that

[dry tendon]

So do I.. I would have scalped so hard..

[crisp granite]

...

wut

I would have bought that in a heartbeat

[ashen spindle]

I regret not looking what the real electricity cost here was start of the year 🥲 probably would've gotten like 5 cards to mine on my old pc rig if I knew how profitable it still is despite germany having some if not the highest electricity costs

actually thought it's not profitable at all here

[hard thicket]

man ebay is sometimes hilarious to browse through

"5bids"

[dry tendon]

LMAO

[ashen spindle]

yeah I bet ebay and paypal are full with refunds request from stupid people who fall for that

[dry tendon]

I am salty that I sold my 6800 and 6800 XT for only slightly over MSRP in December and January

I am also salty I sold my 2080 in December

If I sold em now, Id have made bank

I got so lucky on the 6900 XT

and then failed SO HARD on the GPU selling cause I heard of a rumor of supply improving

[ashen spindle]

haha rip

[dry tendon]

Well not failed - I sold em for OK prices but compared to now... yeah

[hard thicket]

atleast you didn't rush sell your 2080ti for 400$

just to endup with no gpu at all

[dry tendon]

RIP

I managed to get 2x 6700 XTs for my brother and my girlfriend

replaced their RX 5700 and 5700 XTs for free since they mine better

[crisp granite]

one of my buddies did that

[hard thicket]

and i for whatever reason gave away a 2080 super and 2070 super

[dry tendon]

Why a Maxwell one though?

[crisp granite]

I told him it was a bad idea

and he currently uses an old 1050

[dry tendon]

Windows 7?

or XP? IDK

aaa

[hard thicket]

yikes

[dry tendon]

dont sleep on the 1050 it games OK

[crisp granite]

I know

[dry tendon]

I remember how in 2009 I was happy to play at 15 fps Ultra low settings

[crisp granite]

but mans had an RTX 2080ti

and he sold it for $600 in the local money

[hard thicket]

from 2080ti to 1050 that's like loosing 80% of the frames

on top of the money

[crisp granite]

yeah

he wanted to get an RTX 3080

[dry tendon]

I would not go from a 2080 Ti to a 3080

[crisp granite]

and figured the RTX 3070 would kill the value of any GPU available at the time

[dry tendon]

id either go 3090 or 3080 Ti (since we knew it would come out)

[hard thicket]

i'll tell my grandchildren of the begin of 2021

[dry tendon]

Valheim?

[hard thicket]

atleast it can run minecraft

never too late to become a mobile gamer

[dry tendon]

Dwarf Fortress is basically ULTIMATE PCMR big D energy

Yes its easy to run (GPU-wise) but yeah

you dont get more PCMR than that I think

[hard thicket]

does it even use the gpu

im sure you can run it entirely cpu based

[dry tendon]

It still has to draw a scene so yeah ;d also the Steam version will be "harder" on the GPU (not hard at all but you get what I am saying)

[hard thicket]

fortnite

[reef tundra]

I will bite off your fingers and put your leg out of commission with them. The other guard is going to cheer it all on and side with me. Welcome to dwarf fortress adventure mode

[hard thicket]

sounds like my first experience in eve online

[dry tendon]

The absolute most PCMR games are all non-graphically demanding (by modern standards)

With some exceptions but only some

[reef tundra]

Rush B blayt

[dry tendon]

CSGO is PCMR though. it has mod support 😛

but yeah the console / hero shooters are ... yeah

[reef tundra]

Starsector is also quite a good game

It simulates spacecrafts and how some can barrel at you realising it is going for a ramming manoeuvre and the fuel is for you. And a dynamic market where you can blockade entire planets and profit from the illegal heroin imports

Escape from tarkov might be something for you. Full weapon customisation, wants you to suffer with the realistic weapons mechanics and snipers will get bullshit kills on you

Even allows you to load various rounds in one magazine. So one can load tracer rounds every so many rounds. Or better quality rounds that penetrate anything but cost you an arm

[chrome estuary]

i'd love to play escape from tarkov but the fucking like 15min wait times and shit, the whole base thing, all that stuff...

[dry tendon]

Id love to try Tarkov, but IDK what the point is tbh

I just want STALKER mods / STALKER 2 to copy its good parts

[vapid zodiac]

btw tarkov is a game that needs to be on ssd to get decent load times

also, play arma

[reef tundra]

Eh, have little faith in stalker 2, tbh. even the modding community agrees the ceo/head is a fucking dick

[dry tendon]

The CEO being a dick means nothing. But I dont have much faith in STALKER 2 being great

to be great means to be like NLC 7

one of the Russian STALKER mods

I dont think there is a chance for STALKER 2, even if its GSC's best game, to ever reach that level

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/0aNb7CzisME

[vapid zodiac]

arma is all about mods, you want vietnam? ya got it, you want warhammer? got that too

star wars also

play together, play solo, just everything

can have that too

all at once

cold warhammer star vietnam war

[pearl coral]

I want to buy a mouse under 60 euros, Which one should i buy? I like playing games so which one is good

[ashen spindle]

roccat burst pro

[pearl coral]

Yeah but ive heard alot of youtubers dont like the feel of the switch

[ashen spindle]

I like it

[pearl coral]

I know that this mouse is probably overhyped, But what about the glorious model o?

[ashen spindle]

weighs the same and has holes, I dont mind them but I prefer it on the pro where it's covered

for switch details idk enough, I can just say I much prefer the burst pro over my finalmouse

[old marlin]

@pearl coral you might wanna take a look at the XM1r

it is basically that or the burst pro imo

btw for anyone interested

can confirm kone pro is goood

good question

ig it is just kind of a smug look

the expression basically is the best summary of what it expresses

that sure is a switch panel

[crimson wigeon]

Mmm, me likey, gonna have some knobs there as well?

[reef tundra]

Hey that are some 20x20 aluminum extrusions

[young pecan]

What do you bois think about 3400 for a 3090.

Decent cards, too. Ventus ones and such, all mid range or higher.

3400 or 3500 AUD for em. That’s about 2.7 USD.

[young pecan]

Pretty sure we do not, no.

I'll check again.

[young pecan]

PCCG, mwave, umart, and a few other ones.

[chrome estuary]

Damn 2.70$ wew I knew the Australian dollar was fucked but man.

[chrome estuary]

It was a bad joke

Locke it was a joke buddy

[old marlin]

https://twitter.com/Microsoft/status/1387421368581455874

Microsoft (@Microsoft)

We need to talk. What should our next default font be?

Retweets

692

Likes

4072

Twitter · Apr 28, 2021, 3:00 PM

rip calibri

tbh most of them look shit

except for Bierstadt and Grandview

[cursive summit]

Neither

Monotype Corsiva

I loved that one ever since 10 years ago I found out it existed

[crimson wigeon]

Good old Arial

[old marlin]

looks shit

imo

[young pecan]

@prisma crag Gotta love aussie sometimes.

[old marlin]

too many serifs

[young pecan]

Standard of living here is indeed very high.

[wheat plume]

You need to click advanced to set the resolution now :/

[cursive summit]

Eh?

That's retarded

Well I don't update apps anyways so, idgaf

Some of my shit hasn't been updated for years

[wheat plume]

Ah... You can set defaults in settings

[cursive summit]

Oh no muh data.. on an unlimited bandwidth

[wheat plume]

Ikr!!

How thoughtful

/s

For all videos, go to

There is infact a link to the proper settings there but it's invisible

I just tapped there and it worked xd

Invisible in light theme too...

[cursive summit]

4K?

How can you run 4K on your toaster

[wheat plume]

Yes xd

No reason to
Cause 1080 screens

[wheat plume]

The 730G is well able to handle 4k :') shut up

[cursive summit]

Not even 720, bruh, now you can't claim you double 360d something

[halcyon moss]

4k has more image data, downscaling that to 1080p might result in a better image

but maybe 1440p has enough data

[young pecan]

I mean...

UDP and YouTube being a shit platform probably takes ‘4K’ down to 1080p.

Would not expect it any higher.

[pale sigil]

Embrace the darkness

[old marlin]

which was the best portrayal of a devil?

[old marlin]

I love when documentation asks for a database diagram

and it ends up looking like this

[halcyon moss]

🤔

[shadow minnow]

https://youtu.be/OHXeKotZ7dI

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

Intel went for that uno reverse card

[cursive summit]

"We won... but at what price?"

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

TDP joins the match

So, "Due to pricing and unavailability, Intel dominated AMD on 3/5 picks"

So, basically once AMD unleashes non-X models we are back to a bloodbath eh?

[crisp granite]

and has consistent stock

that's also how intel is winning, not by being the better choice, but by being available

[crisp granite]

must be an american issue

because Zen 3 parts are available pretty reliably here as well

[reef patrol]

I always find it funny when an Aussie site comments on availability.

The 5600X is available almost everywhere here in the Nordics.

[hard thicket]

but the prices of the 5900+ still isn't near msrp

[reef patrol]

Neither are the Intels anymore 😄

[ashen spindle]

depends

have seen 5950 for 800€ last week

[hard thicket]

that's good actually, never seen it drop below 900 so far

[wheat plume]

that fucking name :')

[iron basalt]

bought that for 0% installments w/o provision - the price going to MSRP because of money inflation and the money I save with working with my PC

[iron basalt]

nice av, have You draw it yourself? Is there group of digital painters here too?

[shadow minnow]

Wait for pro plus ultimate

[wheat plume]

nu, I got it online but I made it transparent background

[iron basalt]

Creative Edition FireStorm Armor

[shadow minnow]

Wifi 6E 6ghz

[iron basalt]

still nice pick

[wheat plume]

I have other versions too, different colors!

[iron basalt]

haha seen that, but see 802.11 be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11be

[iron basalt]

so You are digital painter 😄

[wheat plume]

editor :') Just changed the colors

[shadow minnow]

Currently only have 43” 4K monitor for Xbox, which is small issue for pc since it’s just a slightly bit further than where optimal reading distance for me ends. Would not be such an issue, but windows has such a terrible scaling tbh.
Well, temporary fix until I can get monitor I want will be me getting prototype of one monitor 👀

[iron basalt]

reds or greens GPU?

[shadow minnow]

Some mobos already have this, and may be pretty useful imo, since there are not many devices supporting it at all, so there will be barely any interference

[shadow minnow]

Until I can get a normal GPU using intel iGPU

So neither

Planning to go for aorus waterforce wb 3080/ti then

[iron basalt]

it hopefully support backward compat - so if time pass no need to upgrade

[iron basalt]

hope You get it cheaply and fast ! best wishes

[shadow minnow]

Thanks

[iron basalt]

@shadow minnow I know that on AMD I have sth like downscaling or sth

like GPU generate higher res images

[shadow minnow]

Had wifi 6e mobo as I am building my first pc, but, well, I wanted to put it together just with iGPU for now, but the mobo broke first day

[iron basalt]

but scale it down for better image (both sharper / better aliased, and smoother on gradients)

[iron basalt]

my condolences

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-lisa-su-reaffirms-radeon-rx-6000-mobile-series-is-to-launch-this-quarter

[crisp granite]

:)

finally

full AMD laptops

that actually have good GPUs

[cursive summit]

Yes I linked that in #🎮│game like a few hours ago

But fair enough, not everyone scroll the chat

https://tenor.com/view/calm-yo-tits-calm-down-calm-relax-terry-crews-gif-4655399

[wheat plume]

when the arch installer give you more drive info

than you ever need

[ashen spindle]

because that screen easy to understand /s

[wheat plume]

mostly but not great

[ashen spindle]

ngl glancing over that I read it as "wooting spacecraft launch site"

[umbral knot]

wooting spacecraft when

[wheat plume]

the first kickstarted spacecraft

[chrome estuary]

god damn it

[mighty otter]

I don't get it. Why are they marketing to China when they can't even satisfy demand now?

[ashen spindle]

contract obligations?supply is keeping up and demand is going down so why not

should they just not sell to america untill EU demand is fulfilled or vice versa?

[reef tundra]

arch installer?

[wheat plume]

ArchCraft
Pre-riced Arch Linux + Openbx distro

[cursive summit]

https://www.pcgamer.com/oculus-will-sell-you-a-quest-2-headset-that-doesnt-need-facebook-for-an-extra-dollar500/

What

$799. There's also an annual fee of $180 that kicks in a year after purchase, which covers Oculus' business services and support, but that just muddies the waters a little.

Excuse me what the fuck is this?

[reef tundra]

Like you can trust facebook to honour the privacy

[crisp granite]

wut

bruh

$800 is a steep price for a VR headset already

paying an extra $180 each year on top of that is insane

[cursive summit]

Tfw Reverb G2 is that price

And it's a SUPREMELY better VR headset

developer support, yes

And app ecosystem, thank god no

Not to my knowledge

But it's not a mobile VR so it doesn't need to

Sure, if you insist so

All of these things can be done with a wired headset

That has much higher image fidelity

[true quest]

gamin

[ashen spindle]

yeah I really wanna make sure I bring a desktop pc to a patient who's getting therapy at home

but sure lets stick to gaming, the g2;s tracking sucks so there's enough reason to not get it depending on what you play

[true quest]

no one said stick to gaming, just an option for wired 🤷‍♂️

[ashen spindle]

sure, you just mentioned gaming right after the point was gaming is not the only thing it's used for 😛

[cursive summit]

Can someone provide detailed statistics for the medical VR market?

Actually interested

[ashen spindle]

no clue how much of that is public data

[true quest]

didn't read that far 😎

[reef tundra]

Dont forget about the hololens from microsoft.

its a sneaky one

[ashen spindle]

I just know we have 3? or so projects at work that all use it and a couple that are over/coming up soon

[young pecan]

I mean...

On wireless VR? I’d super be into using a standalone headset for Elite Dangerous.

That’s why I purchased my Vive in the first place.

Wish the thing was wireless, routing a cable to not be endlessly annoying is irritating.

[young pecan]

Ew.

188Mh/s??!?! For 7 grand...?

You can pretty easily make exactly this with a better mobo and GPUs for cheaper.

Higher hashrate, too. ._.

[reef patrol]

IT's the final step in the cycle of mining. You try and pawn off our obsolete mining gear to someone with no idea.

[young pecan]

Lmfao

My plan is to sell my old GPUs split.

Just do whatever with the mobo, idc it was $400. Nothing.

Not like I'll actually need to replace the PSUs, I'm buying server grade titanium ones. Those things can happily just chug along for a decade running 24/7 and give no fucks.

[wheat plume]

Is the case just two shopping baskets? :')

[young pecan]

Omfg

I think it is. Holy shit. xD

[wheat plume]

:')

[astral haven]

Lucky customer bought a random gaming laptop and it has a mux chip

[wheat plume]

Boi....
$400 isn't fucking pocket change

[young pecan]

It is when I spend 17,000 on graphics cards. ._.

[wheat plume]

Well.... Right yeah

[wheat plume]

What cards?

[young pecan]

3070s.

[wheat plume]

Oh yeah
You mentioned this already

Yeah xd

Aren't some coins better to have an op CPU rather than graphics cards?

[young pecan]

Very few, yes.

[wheat plume]

Ahh
So majority is gpu

[young pecan]

Nope.

[wheat plume]

O

[young pecan]

Majority is ASIC.

[wheat plume]

Hmm?

[young pecan]

Application Specific Integrated Circuit.

Very well optimized devices that literally can't do anything else.

[wheat plume]

O.o

[young pecan]

Yee.

[wheat plume]

Yes
That helps me understand

[young pecan]

Thing is, one ASIC might manage 2GH/s at a few thousand watt.

But you need 20 to 40 graphics cards to do the same thing.

At 15,000 watt or something.

[wheat plume]

Oh boi

[young pecan]

Mm.

[wheat plume]

How would you plug that many into a motherboard?

[young pecan]

ASICs are just extremely expensive. Not uncommon to see them at 40k USD each.

[wheat plume]

You'd have to have multiple computers

[young pecan]

You use a specific kind of motherboard that supports 12 to 16 each with server PSUs.

Then you use 1x to 16x riser cables.

[wheat plume]

Oo

My friend's mining rig wouldn't detect all the cards if one of them was plugged directly into the 16x slot

[young pecan]

Start mining PoS, then.

[wheat plume]

So he's using risers for all

[young pecan]

Sounds about right.

I use MSI B360-F Pro boards and I just run them 12 each.

I could do 16 each, but then you run into an amount of maintenance that isn't worth it.

[wheat plume]

Ish what board he has but it's ASRock I think

[young pecan]

I know the one.

Setup mining and use the mining money to buy green power.

It's already well established that trying to grow green power with green power is idiotic.

Cycles take too long and the production isn't quite high enough.

Need secondary income to really scale it up.

Y'know, until someone makes something better. Fusion or what have you.

Not undoable.

Breeder reactors are hilariously easy to design.

Still a huge pain in the ass since you have to get the core materials, but literally everything else can be had from Bunnings.

I shit you not. Go into that store with 10k and you can, in theory, walk out with enough things to assemble a nuclear reactor.

[wheat plume]

Oh wait no
His motherboard is fucking biostar

[young pecan]

Ew.

I had the choice of paying 200 for those, or 450 for my MSI boards, I went with the MSI boards.

Biostar sketches me out hard.

[wheat plume]

Xd

[young pecan]

I absolutely do not trust them with designing a mobo.

Almost anything else, sure.

But not a mobo or PSU.

[wheat plume]

O.o

[young pecan]

But hey, I save on the MSI boards by buying HP 570410-101s instead.

4 of them for 200 AUD. c:

[wheat plume]

Got to look up what that is one sec

Oh
It's printer

[young pecan]

Huh.

No.

1200W Titanium grade PSU.

Little 2U things.

These.

[wheat plume]

O

Why they look so jank

[young pecan]

They're server PSUs.

Not designed for anything other than running 24/7 under heavy load for a decade.

[wheat plume]

Hard life

[chrome estuary]

And being hot swappable

[young pecan]

That too.

Designed to be able to die, be pulled out of a running system, and put another one in.

Typically a server will have 2 of them active at any point.

[wheat plume]

Hot swapping a PSU sounds terrifying

[young pecan]

Nah.

[chrome estuary]

Nah

[young pecan]

Squeeze the red tag and pull.

[wheat plume]

O

[young pecan]

Thing is those PSUs are hilariously good for the price.

[chrome estuary]

They're not quiet however but they're not meant to be

[young pecan]

Even new they're a few hundred, and they're always high tier 80+, never below gold.

When you really have an application where you need them you typically are needing hundreds at a time, all in massive server cabinets in massive climate controlled rooms.

[chrome estuary]

Ye

[young pecan]

And for that it pays for the average rating of them to be 1200W, up to 2600W for the big ones, all platinum or higher.

Anything less and you start to lose way more money than you save, it's just the operating cost of running servers.

Also in any big server farm you're legally required to wear multiple layers of ear protection and warm clothes with a max time of 40 minutes in the server room before break for safety reasons.

Mhmm.

[zenith sonnet]

Why the warm clothes?

[young pecan]

Server rooms typically operate at about 6 degrees Celsius.

[zenith sonnet]

Eh, that's not really a temp where you need warm clothes, though...

[young pecan]

And Intel CPUs can clearly handle 110C, doesn't mean the company allows it.

[reef patrol]

wat

[young pecan]

It's more legal requirements because humans are stupid.

[zenith sonnet]

Is it really more energy efficient to run the entire thing at below ambient?

[young pecan]

Yes.

[reef patrol]

I used to sit in a server room that was kept at 15c and I abso fucking lutely needed a jacket to sit there for more than a few minutes xD

[young pecan]

A big farm may have upward of 200,000W of heat to fuck off.

Consider the parts are around 99% efficient at power to heat conversion?

[zenith sonnet]

15°C is fine with a shirt. 6°C is fine with a pullover. Particularly if you wanna do any work...
Warm clothes would just make you sweat

[young pecan]

It's less about keeping the air cool, and more about maximizing the coefficient of heat transfer to air and passing that into a radiator.

[reef patrol]

You're not doing anything though. You cool off fast without moving around xD

But hey - If you can handle fridge temps in a pullover for extended periods of time, power to you 😛

[young pecan]

Most servers will usually exhaust the cool air from the bottom and cool up the stack, into holes in the roof. That tends to be the best way of doing it.

[zenith sonnet]

I don't see why you wouldn't...

[young pecan]

Humans aren't designed for those temps.

Why we can't is our cells start dying.

This is called frostbite.

[zenith sonnet]

frostbite
Nah mate, not at 6°C ambient

[reef tundra]

That needs freezing temperatures

[young pecan]

For super bad effects, yeah.

[reef tundra]

The cells need to actually freeze for frostbite

[young pecan]

But 6C will absolutely fuck up cells after long enough.

Never mind changing your core temp by 3 degrees will actually send you into thermal shock.

So...

Idk, 26C and 6C has more than 3 degrees difference.

Hence the time limit.

[zenith sonnet]

Humans are incredibly good at keeping themselves warm
Unless you spend your entire life in well heated rooms and kinda lose that ability

[young pecan]

Yeah that's not quite how that works. Kinda, but kinda, y'know?

That too.

[zenith sonnet]

We literally have tissues that serve no other purpose than making heat

Shivering is just the afterburner

[reef tundra]

Unless your core temperature drops to 30 or something. It wont be too much of an issue

[young pecan]

That is why the time limits are in place, yes.

[zenith sonnet]

Your core temp isn't gonna drop below 30°C in a 6°C environment

[young pecan]

After long enough it literally does. Whut are you talking about?

[zenith sonnet]

After how long? When your body runs out of fuel to burn?

[young pecan]

Hours, but that's why the 40 minute timer is there.

It's so companies can't be sued because someone was a dumbass.

[zenith sonnet]

Healthy humans can handle 6°C for extended periods of time without ever having issues

Naked.

[young pecan]

Implying that server maintenance staff are healthy.

Wow.

Clearly you've never worked around a large server.

You get some proper ghostly pale 'I-don't-leave-home' mofuckers there.

[zenith sonnet]

So, the limits are in place to keep sickly people save?

[reef tundra]

You will notice the effects of hypothermia and seek heat way before that. With hallucinations, lack of mental abilities and the behaviour to find some small enclosed space to try save the body from the impending death by cold

[young pecan]

Basically, yeah.

Companies have a habit of doing that, y'know?

[zenith sonnet]

You didn't specify, so the implication is healthy people. And healthy people will be just fine.
I mean, you got people working in literal freezers at -20°C, and they don't die either

[young pecan]

Yes, and nobody stays in a -20c freezer for long.

[zenith sonnet]

Although the temperature was very low, around −25 to −30 °C (−13 to −22 °F) with a storm blowing, the dead were only partially dressed. Some had only one shoe, while others wore only socks.[17] Some were found wrapped in snips of ripped clothes that seemed to have been cut from those who were already dead.

There we go, that sounds more realistic as a deadly cold

Anyway, in case anyone is interested, the tissue is called brown fat. It's purpose is to burn fat to create heat.
However, sitting in well heated environments year round causes the amounts of this tissue to decrease heavily, and it's one of the major reasons for increasing body weights/body fat. Shivering and exercise seem to be effective in promoting growth

[reef patrol]

In conclusion. No one wants to sit in a literal fridge.

[crisp granite]

actually

I wouldn't mind that

[young pecan]

I'd rather sit in a fridge than complete these orders atm.

[reef patrol]

There's always one.

[young pecan]

Fucking ebay and Amazon.

Why must you have tax?

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

they sell so they must tax

[young pecan]

2 grand gone.

I feel pain.

[crisp granite]

:(

[young pecan]

10 grand left to throw away.

Really not sure how tf I’m actually going to deal with having those super obnoxious server PSUs, tbh.

I’m thinking of just trying to insulate the garage from noise and throw them in.

I’m above sealevel, so I should be right.

[astral haven]

that is just changing the lens lol

uh

no?

look at the angles relative to the horizon

[pale sigil]

@prisma crag xD that makes me hate 16:9 again

Thanks

:(

[pale sigil]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/20/22393655/microsoft-windows-app-store-overhaul-apps-games-rumor

TiL

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah can't wait for that to also be largely ignored by everyone

[young pecan]

Lmfao

The MS store, only useful for installing Linux on Windows, literally not even one other thing.

[astral haven]

Game pass is awesome apparently

[young pecan]

It’s pretty damn good.

Though doesn’t that run from the Win Xbox app?

Or it has integration or something?

[pale sigil]

Yesnt, the xbox app still uses the store

Different ui same background

[young pecan]

Ah.

[pale sigil]

Not judt same package

It literally uses the store

[pale sigil]

Bruh, 6 hours of light use

On and off

[pale sigil]

Ain't right

Having to use a power bank again 🙄

[astral haven]

uh wut

[pale sigil]

@astral haven includes charging

[astral haven]

no?

that blue is no charging...

[pale sigil]

Bleh, well I used to go day's without charging.

And most of that time is standby

[astral haven]

6 hours of screen on time is kind of a decent amount?

[pale sigil]

@prisma crag discord and reddit most likely

[astral haven]

its probably youtube

[pale sigil]

Nah

[astral haven]

youtube slaughters battery

and its on the list there

[pale sigil]

Ye but only used YouTube towards the end

[astral haven]

ah

either way well over 5 hours of screen is alot

and 24 hours without charging is also alot

and its still alive

so 🤷‍♂️

[pale sigil]

Considering I used to only charge it once every 3 days lol

[astral haven]

thats not a thing a normal phone does

at least not with 6 hours of screen on time

[pale sigil]

Example of past usage

Lol

[astral haven]

Yea so you weren't using it nearly as much

Wow you use it more the battery decreases more?

[pale sigil]

I used it not that much less than I do now

If anything I uses it more then

As I travelled

[astral haven]

The slope of all the lines look the same to me