You always have to do this.
#๐โtech
reef patrol
wheat plume
y tho?
reef patrol
RAM has to follow JEDEC till told otherwise. Else your motherboard might not run the RAM at all.
wheat plume
JEDEC?
reef patrol
Standards.
wheat plume
o
reef patrol
Lets say you have a B360 motherboard that only supports 2666Mhz at the most because that's the standard.
Your RAM wants to run at 3200Mhz....so it won't boot.
ashen spindle
also, the cpu's have rated max specs, anything above is also overclocking the cpu
reef patrol
Much better to let the RAM run at the low speed, and then you gear it up.
If you think enabling XMP is a chore, imagine when you had to enter all of the OC information manually. xD
That's not so many years ago.
wheat plume
true
reef patrol
Back when XMP was still new, several companies refused to pay Intel for the licensing for all sticks of RAM.
Mushkin in particular as I recall. You'd literally have to go to their forum and grab the "XMP" overclocking data and punch in the numbers into your BIOS ๐
wheat plume
O.o
ashen spindle
you buy ram that is tested to work at those speeds, but you put it into hardware that is only rated to run for certain at lower speeds, if you could have a cpu/board that would have 4000 as standard, that would mean you dont need to manually enable it
wheat plume
I have a b550m mobo, so it can handle this :D
reef patrol
Yep.
ashen spindle
can handle =/= has those speeds as jedec standard implemented in both board and CPU
wheat plume
wait, Idk how to find what the maximum speed ram my mobo can use
ashen spindle
probably because they often dont advertise it unless it can hit high clocks
wheat plume
4600MHz O.o
vagrant marsh
yes, although gamers nexus had claimed that, atleast of some motherboards, vrm's dont get hot enough that they would need a heatsink and its mostly flair.
wheat plume
I see
but what about Overclocking?
Hmm
The automatic fan tuning did these settings
vagrant marsh
i just put my fans at silent mode. when i hear them as loud as normal mode, i know i overclocked a bit too much
wheat plume
o?
vagrant marsh
well, first week the cpu was running fine without any hitches. i let ryzen master do its charm and suddenly my cpu had problems
and i only did the auto overclock thingy
cursive summit
So, like Windows
pale sigil
Is pbo actually any good in games
cursive summit
Precision Boost Overdrive?
I saw like +5 FPS max
In most titles
In some it actually drops, like Forza Horizon 4
cursive summit
We know about it bud
reef patrol
Also kind of moot since it doesn't support 5000 series ๐
latent mural
Not moot, can't bloody get any 5000 series haha
vagrant marsh
i got a 5000 series
latent mural
My son has one, now I need one, doh!
reef patrol
That's not what the developer said. It doesn't work well with 5000 because they work slightly different, and he has no data to base recommendations off of.
So... take that as you will ๐
latent mural
Ah I see what you mean now
cursive summit
And the 5000 already has magical "performance enhancing" tools
latent mural
I've not even played about with my son's new computer. Just full OS setup and a quick skim through the bios
vagrant marsh
showoff
red oyster
so basically the entire stock went towards members of this server
Am I seeing this right
reef patrol
For someone supposedly broke af, you have a lot of fuck you money to throw around xD
cursive summit
^ Wooting pays him for supervising us discord retards
ashen spindle
mindfactory has plenty of stock 
vagrant marsh
i find that offensive
my iq is only slightly below average
@ashen spindle the webshop i originally bought my 5800x from also still has them in stock. but ultimately its just a scam where they want to secure orders while not having stuff in stock
pale sigil
Haha for someone who's broken af
reef patrol
320โฌ MSRP masterrace...or something
pale sigil
Receiving 2 was a nightmare
You know I had to sell the other haha
I saved up months for thst cpu ๐คฃ
reef patrol
red oyster
i give myself about 2 weeks before i forget it
pale sigil
The cpu, case and cooler were the only parts I didn't get on credit lol
And that's because it was a year of saving up
Oh and mum letting upkeep slide one month
vagrant marsh
lol
ashen spindle
wheat plume
now you can play cyberpunk at 40FPS :D
zenith mirage
Yes indeed
pale sigil
@zenith mirage xmas prezzy?
fickle ore
single cores boost now to 4950 ๐ wee
guess I gotta try +150mhz to break that 5ghz barrier
zenith mirage
<@144180592454402048> xmas prezzy?
nah, found a local guy unloading one for cheap so i snagged it
sold mine to a mate
pale sigil
"cheap" how much
pale sigil
ashen spindle
450? arent they supposed to be 499?
zenith mirage
maybe
zenith mirage
i mean in fairness they're also sold out everywhere
pale sigil
Or fake
zenith mirage
eh, it's already stronger than my last one
pale sigil
Which one
pale sigil
Ah that explains it
zenith mirage
allegedly he's just bough a 3080 and wanted rid of it ASAP without the faff of postage
and dislikes scalpers so just threw it up for near RRP
zenith mirage
pale sigil
Not cos of the price
Though that kinda is ooft
I haven't played a single game since
Other than d2
I thought I'd be motivated to play my backlog
misty pier
i stopped playing d2
too damn grindy now
but i honestly feel bad for the guy that gifted me the most expensive dlc for the game :(
haven't even done the raids or anything for the dawning yet
halcyon moss
I never found doom 2 to be grindy
calm sparrow
shadow minnow
War thunder is also really well optimized for metal, with around twice the performance on metal.
reef tundra
Time machine would be pretty handy
reef tundra
Not with the windows updater running
running windows on my laptop is not possible without turning the fans off. Not to mention the random spikes of windows updater
crimson wigeon
Oh you know, "maintenance"
reef tundra
Luckly linux is able to do most of the work. No random full ramjet moments. Atleast normal work, powerpoint is also good at making the fans spin
pale sigil
match what exactly
ha
Personally always saw them as garbage anyway.
i dont like Apple but they rule the tablet market
vagrant marsh
https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1343300486011576321?s=21 ๐ฆ<:pepecry:643973...
due to covid or did he simply quit?
pale sigil
he dead
vagrant marsh
ah
pale sigil
The family didn;t wanna disclose how he died
vagrant marsh
then i guess not due to natural causes. wouldnt be hush hush about that
pale sigil
some plonk asked me to show my hardware working
....
i was like, bruh, have you not been paying attention the last year or so?....
reef patrol
What hardware tho?
pale sigil
Mobo, ram, cpu and psu
reef patrol
Pickup?
pale sigil
ye
reef patrol
Don't see why not then if they're bringing money. All you need is a GPU real quick xD
pale sigil
lad
reef patrol
bud
pale sigil
Especially considering most places around me are in a higher tie
reef patrol
put the dosh in the red box
slide it shut
your hardware is behind the lawnmover, choom.
vagrant marsh
Yea, with the few pieces im selling online most say they wanna come pick it up. I also have to explain that due to covid i only mail it. Then they call it off cause appearently thats suspicious
pale sigil
i dont mind pickup
i put it on the floor
after payment
can someone help me with a router
fickle ore
maybe
pale sigil
$140 budget (100 uk ruples)
Good WIFI, great panel etc
Though if there is an option for cheap router + good wifi solution thats an option too
vagrant marsh
Wow. The entire nexus discord is in a frenzy and got their tits in a doozy. Someone @ everyone in a channel that wasnt moderated yet.
That channel is now the equevalent of 4chan
misty pier
panel?
pale sigil
web panel
misty pier
wifi 6.. wifi 5?
pale sigil
doesn't matter to much
misty pier
brand preference?
pale sigil
500 quid
for a house
pissing me off
mine is dogshit
im right next to it and its dog shit
i also just want a stable 1gb/s lan over wifi
is thjat to much to ask for
ashen spindle
lan over wifi
what
latent mural
AVM fritz!box 7530
latent mural
pale sigil
Was i like my local network to be stable too
pale sigil
i do have a NAS aye
i dont use it that often though
lol i literally cant even use the wifi right next to the router
is fucking awful
and the router in general im tired of
latent mural
I have 5.2TB used in mine so far
latent mural
They have great WiFi with mesh capabilities too
ashen spindle
outside of something like ubiquity or higher end stuff they are prob the best option
latent mural
That's at least been my experience for the past 1+ years with it
Yep, Draytek would be a good option but they cost considerably more
latent mural
pale sigil
hard thicket
have my eyes on the new LG CX oled for a while now
decent HDR with 4K 120hz freesync ?
and that for just a grand ???
1080p at 24" is usually not that bad
when it comes to pixel density
except you sit like reallly close
jesus
1440p 27" would be the sweet spot for you then
but again it kinda depends how close you sit
unfourtunately oled isn't a thing in the monitor department
for what ever reason
idk why
but why tho
either the oled screens are super large
TV sized
or too fucking small
fell in love with oled back when the first iphone had it already
it's just great, viewing angles, the brigtness, colors
what im afraid of the TV's is the pixel density ruining it for me
i plan to place it above my monitor
i will be sitting around 1.5m away from it
or 2m when i lean back
even with a 48" one, might get tricky
dont think the LX can handle the 48 inch no ?
you'd need the HX
the LG ones without the stand 15kg
i also thought it's light
apparently it's not the case
the 48 inch one has a PPI of 91
a 24 inch 1080p monitor has 93
in comparison
yeah 91
basically the same when it comes to density
i worried for no reason
that's actually good
oh yeah
the panel itself doesnt have 24.5
that's some marketing bullshit
it's odd
basically
you have a better density with the TV
LOL
whats the point of monitors anymore
beside pixel response time
but if i recall right
your GPU has to have HDMI 2.1
to use all the features with the 4K 120hz one
yeah the HX is also not often in stock
on top of costing almost 300 bucks
for a TV you'd better go with a wallmount aswell, if that's an option
it looks neat
crimson wigeon
Something something Brexit something something good old days
reef tundra
Just finished porting my vim configurations to lua. The LSP for c and bash also work, how I wanted it. hype
vagrant marsh
exept that britain doesnt have a leading market anymore. their only power is naval power, and even that is declining as china and russia starts to create more advanced weapon systems
it even convinced turkey, a navo ally, to take up arms with russia
britain is not even a percentage of its former greatness. many other countries have since then catched up.
and they rely on airpower but dont have the carriers to support them
reef tundra
Only jusifible if you earn that back in a month or two
vagrant marsh
hmm
they look stronk
but these too arnt plug n play
they need an amp as well
and need to buy speaker cables for these as well
would love to buy them but im unknown to that entire setup. what else is required besides buying those speakers? with the logitech z906 its easy. everything neccesary is provided.
wheat plume
ClockBlocker
BEST SOFTWARE NAME :')
cursive summit
Of course Lana'd love it
wheat plume
shut
reef patrol
cursive summit
Who did you Cockblock Lana? Yourself?
wheat plume
๐ค
cursive summit
wheat plume
idk if this link should be in #๐โtech or #๐ฎโgame
Ah, Ill put it here https://youtu.be/YSgbcJrnZzE
vagrant marsh
i think that was already discussed?
wheat plume
yeh :D
but this video going to bring more awareness
oh yeah.... PlayStation runs on BSD
I forgot that
but they wouldnt need this on the console? right?
crimson wigeon
Or maybe for their phones
wheat plume
hmmmmmm
ashen spindle
for what do you need one again?
pale sigil
Super good wifi for LAN and WAN (example i wanna be able to stream extremely well over wifi, steam stream, fill transfer etc)
Control to limit speed of devices/priority
Overall functions that give me a lot of control over the network
ashen spindle
so, just get something that can use a custom firmware and has decent signal strength
ashen spindle
I imagine they have a list of what routers support custom firmwares so I'd look there
pale sigil
does that not void warranty
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
shouldn't really break stuff unless you do something bad or the router is total crap and not really supported
pale sigil
;-;
i dont wanna go through a database
ohh
i can install dd-wrt on the asus one
ashen spindle
yeah, some random picture and they try to throw the company under the bus, who knows is it's their fault or no
crimson wigeon
nice torture rack
ashen spindle
just because it's one model doesn't mean they sold it directly to them
but gets more clicks I guess
pale sigil
but i though that was their whole thing
reef patrol
yeah, some random picture and they try to throw the company under the bus, who k...
We can laugh at it, because the market is so bizarre ๐
pale sigil
i have connected
ashen spindle
I mean I don't mind jokes at it or anything, but maybe not from a "news" site that also reports about the very same thing?
reef patrol
I mean I don't mind jokes at it or anything, but maybe not from a "news" site th...
Since when was Videocardz considered news and not a rumor mill xD
ashen spindle
I put it in quotation for that reason :p
but usually they at least have some source they mention for rumors
this is literally just a picture someone posted
cursive summit
eBay
latent mural
old marlin
geez how bad do ISP routers have to be for you to replace it with something like that
latent mural
Quite
cursive summit
Not even the new Netgear RAC series
latent mural
Luckily Zen have a decent router in the AVM
cursive summit
Or god forbid, even RAX
old marlin
not even AVM 
latent mural
AVM are good
old marlin
legit what would I want more from a home router that an AVM one can do
ig 10G networking?
if home connections ever get fast enough
for fiber you get a separate modem anyways
latent mural
10G Lan if you have the connectivity
But I don't see a need for that unless you have massive production needs
old marlin
only reason why AVM doesn't do 10G internal is because german ISPs don't give the speed either way
fickle ore
@old marlin stupid isp routers have firmware from 2013 for my model
fickle ore
luckily you can hack some ISP router/modems and root them
fickle ore
I just want updated firmware that fixes security holes cuz ISP lazy af
old marlin
lol
pale sigil
can someone help me figure out why obs is so bad for me
pale sigil
its dogshit
cursive summit
What's wrong
crimson wigeon
no shit, x264 is amazing
ashen spindle
nvenc is great for streaming and such, but for actual video recording quality you still want cpu power
reef patrol
MKV ftw. They also don't need to be finalized.
pale sigil
damn
i lost my save
im a bit behind
LAME
THIS is exactly why i got my 3080
so i can play 1440p 100fps+ โค๏ธ
wheat plume
im happy with 1080p for games
I like my 75Hz though :D
I can feel it being more responsive than 60hz
yeah 75Hz, the mouse movement is so precise
i love it
60hz is smooth but not as responsive
I forgot that CRT monitors where usually 75Hz
Yeh ahaha
That's why I got a headache on the school computers .-.
They ran very low
wheat plume
NVENC is great
I can record at full resolution and high bitrate and have no impact on the responsiveness
wheat plume
i never stream
reef tundra
Transhumanist pilots?
Reminds me of that one time an chinhook pilot got hit in the head and managed to safely land it back at base. The round went through the cockpitglass and ricochet against the pilots helmet. This only gave him an gash and some bleeding. This was made even harder when the hydrolic steering was lost partially. It took a good beating, and the pilot was really lucky
cursive summit
Isn't Chinook really unmaneuvrable too
Helicopters usually have side rotors for air control, Chinook doesn't have one.
I don't do.. space physics
I do breathe aero tho
reef tundra
anti-torque is mostly needed during landing and take-off right. During flight an defective tail rotor wont matter with enough momentum, right?
latent mural
Nice Grumman
cursive summit
Yeah at this point you can get employed by Lockheed or Northrop Grumman
reef tundra
My great-grandfather was present at the siege of Berlin if i remember correctly as Colonel in the airforce of the Red Army.
Well, present..
High-ranking officers could not be anywhere 25 or 50 km from berlin.
At his peak commanding like 1000 airplanes
Imagine paying more than a nickle for melted silica-oxides
cursive summit
crisp granite
oooooooooooo
reef patrol
reef tundra
12 gauge?
restive gate
When do we get the Arby's meatmaster pro
vagrant marsh
kfconsole going full gamer mode ๐
wouldnt be suprised if other branches start doing it
reef tundra
The constant aroma of burned chicken
misty saffron
now i understand why i need 64gb of ram
a 13gb file that got written to disk yesterday was still in ram
ashen spindle
keeping more than 3 chrome tabs open while gaming?
misty saffron
just transferred it to my ssd at 2gb/s
misty saffron
keeping more than 3 chrome tabs open while gaming?
i also laugh at my friends who can't game and do literally anything else on their pc, yes
ashen spindle
reef tundra
Got 16GB of RAM with 4GB Swap to spare(was 8)
It is not fun when it runs out and everything crawls to a stop
fickle ore
@misty saffron you need to disable superfetch and reduce pagefile to 800mb...
then it wont stick to RAM
reef tundra
Just power the memory off, lmao
misty saffron
<@!466325855598280705> you need to disable superfetch and reduce pagefile to 800...
why would i want to disable a good feature?
fickle ore
Superfetch is a bad feature
misty saffron
last time i checked caching recent files in ram is quite a good thing
reef tundra
It is bad because fetching is for dogs and i aint no dog!
fickle ore
Eh, caching recently used files is bad. It only works for start-up speed of the program
misty saffron
why is it bad?
fickle ore
So you don't really need 64gb
reef tundra
Just load the entire game into memory, might even need more ram
zenith sonnet
I wish some games would do that...
fickle ore
only by building a ramdisk lol
@misty saffron It's bad because it uses cpu and ssd/hdd when you don't want to, based on your usage pattern. Then maybe you have only 8-16gb of RAM, of which 90% is used then start a game that could allocate 8gb but will not because of leftover cache in your RAM
fickle ore
Idk how it works exactly but cpu/ssd usage shoots up sometimes when it starts the caching, slowdowns
reef tundra
The cpu doesnt handle IO anymore. They invented DMAs for that
misty saffron
it is marked free by the memory manager
fickle ore
superfetch definitely uses the CPU
misty saffron
not really a problem on a 16 core is it
fickle ore
well depends how much you care about FPS consistency
misty saffron
fickle ore
and SSD writes
reef tundra
RAM will always be faster?
misty saffron
the task scheduler would take care of that, lol
fickle ore
I'd definitely disable it with some crappy low endurance SSD's
fickle ore
you'd think but if caching happens during games there are measurable FPS drops
ppl report 100% cpu usage with 4/8t cpu's
misty saffron
cpu-side? yes, if you have a 4 core, maybe
fickle ore
for a couple seconds..
misty saffron
still VERY much doubt that
fickle ore
even with a 16 core if the game uses 16 cores..
misty saffron
what game uses 16 cores?
fickle ore
It's not about cores, its about how many cores are idle
some do, and in future more will
misty saffron
superfetch is still very likely a low-priority task
windows nt is much more complex than you think it is
if you indeed get performance drops - something is very wrong about your setup
misty saffron
i don't have a copy of recent nt source code, so of course it's an assumption
an educated assumption nonetheless
fickle ore
Which education?
reef tundra
IO with SSD is unreliable as you pretty much just tell it what it needs to do and wait until it has finally processed the task. RAM is pretty much in sync with the CPU
fickle ore
Yet you don't know it's bad for SSD endurance and real time apps?
reef tundra
Also SSDs dont wear down when being read, only writes wear it down(slightly)(usually it takes thousands of write cycles to exhaust a byte/page).
fickle ore
meh..
misty saffron
real time apps
scheduler is smart, my friend
fickle ore
So you don't have any experience, gotcha
reef tundra
Smart enough to be the defacto choice for kernels.
misty saffron
weirdchamp
crimson wigeon
Wouldn't the smart prefetching of files which is what superfetch is about run at the lowest possible priority anyway
fickle ore
Why would it?
misty saffron
i am almost completely sure superfetch runs at lowest priority
microsoft isn't incompetent
crimson wigeon
Because it's meant to be unnoticeable except for the "oh nice cool that opened fast" factor
reef tundra
Why would you not do that? It is not time critical and failure to meet the deadline just means that it will have to wait for the ssd
Also you can tell the operating system to change the priority?
misty saffron
if an app runs slowly because of low-priority tasks, it's not really microsoft's fault
yes, in task manager
fickle ore
by default storage is the only device driver on windows that runs at high priority for interrupts (usb, lan, audio, graphics card, etc)
reef tundra
It just means that other more important tasks are hogging up the resources
misty saffron
it is exactly what the priority switches are in task manager
reef tundra
Which is what you want
misty saffron
by default storage is the only device driver on windows that runs at high priori...
NTFS driver isn't superfetch
misty saffron
you didn't really know something as basic as what cached memory really is so i very much doubted you know that
ashen spindle
this is just "hyperdetailed mode" arguing with "idk im bored" person so it's great for a spectator 
reef tundra
Maybe because you have not given the signal that you understand the basic principles of the complex subject yet? So, to be able to even converse you would automatically assume they know nothing untill you know for sure they do?
misty saffron
no, this was really enough
Then maybe you have only 8-16gb of RAM, of which 90% is used then start a game that could allocate 8gb but will not because of leftover cache in your RAM
fickle ore
What is wrong in it?
misty saffron
if you are at least somewhat competent (assume competent enough to write a game), you wouldn't analyze ram based on the cached amount
windows will let you allocate as much memory as you want since pages used for caching are marked free
doesn't matter PTEs aren't
fickle ore
There are some games that allocate X RAM amount based on available computer specs, but also available memory...
misty saffron
yes, and available memory doesn't include the cached amount
the cached ram is always free for programs to use
reef tundra
You can make as many malloc requests as you can. The OS and memory controller wil decide the fate of the request
misty saffron
..and the OS interprets cached memory as free on such request
fickle ore
Okay, thanks for teaching me something new about how that works. Yet, Superfetch using 100% disk and cpu reduces game fps and amounts to choppiness in game and stuttering and reduced min. fps.
reef tundra
Because program memory is concidered to be more significant than cache. cache is just a nice to have
zenith sonnet
Okay, thanks for teaching me something new about how that works. Yet, Superfetch...
Tbh, I have never noticed it doing anything of the sort. That would be a bug worth reporting
misty saffron
with disk i agree, but then again i doubt the IO requests aren't low priority
the latter can be solved by giving proper priority to game threads
fickle ore
Or I can solve it for all (incompetent gams/devs) by just disabling superfetch and not having to care
reef tundra
The DMA in the CPU will handle most of the brunt work while the cores is doing something else. Pretty much point to the starting adress and let it go
misty saffron
it is probably the chipset handing dma tbh
i don't know about that one but it would be logical at the very least
reef tundra
Yes, atleast with Intel architecure design. With the south and northbridge
With the southbridge handling disk io
fickle ore
amd has direct m.2 lane to cpu, so its def not the chipset
reef tundra
It could be both actually
misty saffron
WHICH parts of cpu handle that would be a better question
considering the northbridge is now a part of the cpu iirc
reef tundra
North bridge has been moved into the cpu die indeed. It was historically for high-speed graphic engines(AGP slot)
misty saffron
so you only get dma if m.2 or pcie
considering m.2 is pcie
because according to that diagram, sata -> chipset -> cpu -> whatever isn't really dma
nothing about it is direct at the very least
reef tundra
Yes because the DMA needs the PCIe lane to make the IO requests
in the same way the cpu would
fickle ore
Idk why are we branching onto DMA because superfetch or w/e its called uses cpu so it cannot be DMA
It's not bypassing the cores
misty saffron
any IO request to a suitable target is dma
otherwise the kernel/cpu is fucking up bad time
was it big time
yes, that's the word
fickle ore
Nothing related to storage is yet DMA on Windows 10
Maybe with DirectStorage API soon.
The Storage API is ancient
misty saffron
weird
reef tundra
Because the bussiness partners want it to be a plug and play experience or wont bother to even use it
Unless the api is broke it aint need fixing
fickle ore
TLDR; Windowses are incompetent afterall?
reef tundra
atleast for bussiness people
misty saffron
so glad i finally decided to switch from deluge to qbittorrent
what a miserable experience that was
fickle ore
Even with DirectStorage API you need the Nvidia tech/AMD tech to have true DMA to decrypt files on the fly, completely bypassing the cpu
reef tundra
doesnt amd have a dedicated encryption coprocessor?
fickle ore
idk, but the idea is to have the graphics card do it instead of the CPU
because its much faster
reef tundra
Dedicated hardware is even faster..
fickle ore
Yeah they may have those on the gpu, not sure
Idk whether it is the decryption or the storage transfer interrupts that actually hammer the CPU that much
prob decryption
afaik all I/O atm is pretty much capped atm due to CPU ST perf
reef tundra
Because it contains the root matrix for the PCIe?
fickle ore
I want a Optane for boot drive and 1 game, but even that won't help much due to decryption slowness
reef tundra
Just get a lot of CPU's and abuse them for their L1,L2 and L3 cache
The most cost and power ineffecient method
fickle ore
From what I've read it's IPC/Frequency bound, ofcourse L1-L3 play a part in that. Ryzen 5800x is nice with 32mb L3.. But still I/O bound with this ancient storage api
crimson wigeon
Meh, why would you possibly want anything other than open read write close syscalls?!
reef tundra
Not a problem with PCIe? Just write custom firmware to make the cpu's basically just their caches
You would have so much datarate the host cpu wouldnt even be able to process it in time
Plus it would be the worst datacenter arrangement you could probably design
wheat plume
Lel
reef tundra
So loud sound is their innovation?
wheat plume
No
Haptic feedback
reef tundra
just increase the dB guv,ner. That will make the ground tremble
wheat plume
:')
reef tundra
180dB for a shockwave cabable to collapse some lungs
When you get lungshot ingame you will also die in reallife
latent mural
Razer are LOL
fickle ore
Uff why does W10 compress my memory even if I have over 12gb of RAM available
gotta disable that I guess
reef tundra
Memory compression is great. when many processes are running.
Its impossible to somewhat fully fill the memory table without it
crimson wigeon
Because it's preferable to paging things out of memory entirely
fickle ore
Yeah I never have that much open. I guess disabling it reduces some unneeded CPU usage for my use-case
good read
hard thicket
btw what happend to the Ampere direct storage feature nvidia announced back then ?
like there has been nothing new about it since then
ashen spindle
thats literally just microsofts direct storage api
reef tundra
Also tiny processes dont take an entire page of memory. even if it needs only a few bytes it might get an entire 4k dedicated(depends on how large an memory page is defined as)
ashen spindle
and afaik no game uses that yet really
hard thicket
so it's just marketing bullshitery again
ashen spindle
yesn't
fickle ore
@hard thicket coming after directstorage api is published, and no its not direct storage api. It's just an extra feature that improves the directstorage api by offloading file decompression from CPU to GPU
ashen spindle
I imagine we see first results after we get some games that are truly console optimised and use it there too
well yeah it's not the exact same, it uses the api, puts something on top and so they call it their own
just like they did with RTX
like they did with Tesselation
hard thicket
guess time will tell if game studios really bother to implement such thing
reef tundra
Unless they are forced to use it, it tends to be a novelty factor. Like Nvidia PhysX
fickle ore
it'll be more like AMD SAM
thick elk
PhysX is different her.
ashen spindle
yeah, its them using an existing feature and market it as their own stuff by adding minuscule changes
reef patrol
It's almost as if it's a PCI-E standard ๐
thick elk
PhysX basically nvidia bought the company making accelerators, while they were working on a software gpu implementation, they made one but locked it to only work when using nvidia drivers on nvidia gpu's.
Even blocking secondary nvidia gpu's when the primary was amd.
reef tundra
Seems to me that they allowed it to become an multimaster bus
thick elk
To be at least a bit fair about RTX IO they are working on the linux implementation themselves. That being said the building blocks have been in place for longer on linux than on windows.
reef tundra
Poor ASIC engineers that would have to simulate that PCIe config
ashen spindle
But thatโs also more so because they can make use of that feature in a variation in server space. And there itโs Linux so itโs much less work to enable it for desktop too
thick elk
Basically here is them talking about it in 2019: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/gpudirect-storage/
reef tundra
Seems to me that the majority of the work will be put on the storage device to allow for multiple masters to access the data.
fixable by firmware/drivers though
urban lynx
anyone in here use the "Magix Music Maker" kind of frequently?
reef tundra
Heard of the company but not of that software. Believe they bought Vegas from Sony.
reef tundra
Why is the popup window of my neovim so hot neon pink. Why is it like that?
It is so pink!
urban lynx
i like pink
reef tundra
Same, but that is too much
crimson wigeon
It's the default isn't it
reef tundra
Really, wait... its somewhere in the :h then
any idea which variable or function handles it?
ah i found it pmenu
yes it is indeed the default colour
let me change that in my config
steep yoke
Uff why does W10 compress my memory even if I have over 12gb of RAM available
W10 only compresses memory that would have otherwise been paged out. You might reduce CPU usage, but at the expensive of having to now read/write to your harddrive.
And the memory compression is used to pre-compress before writing to your paging file. This reduces the size of the paging file. By disabling compression, you might increase paging even more.
There are many reasons why a modern OS might page out with free memory. It may seem counter-intuitive until you understand the problem being solved. One such example is paging data before you have to page can let the OS asynchronously page without affecting the user instead of synchronously paging and causing the system to stutter.
Think of it like buying toilet paper during a pandemic. If you only buy toilet paper when you need it, you can be more efficient, but at the risk of running out. If you buy toilet paper before completely running out, then you don't actually run out, but at the cost of having more than you need.
reef tundra
It also helps to deal with the issue of tiny processes which only need a small amount of memory to function more efficiently. As the memory gets allocated per page(4kb? typically).
fickle ore
@steep yoke yeah this Should be fine as I dont have much open when I play. Usually only the game and I run a pretty bare bones install. For example I have now 1.5gb used out of 32gb. Paging is set to 800mb as again, there isn't much need to page. Might aswell disable it unless there are memory leaks.
if I crash I'll crash that's no biggie
will figure after
pre-fetcher is set to disabled (0) in the registry and sysmain service (superfetch) is disabled
reef tundra
I would imagine that the kernel is smart enough to know when its best to compress and not. And when its best to compress allocated data.
fickle ore
Maybe, but not always
reef tundra
It would be a waste of cpu cycles to compress memory when there are loads left free.
steep yoke
It also helps to deal with the issue of tiny processes which only need a small a...
Yes for 4KiB. Virtual memory is tracked and managed at a page granularity. 4KiB has historically been a "good size" for many but not all platforms. Modern CPU generally support alternatively larger page sizes when explicitly requested by an application and if supported/enabled by the OS. Since virtual memory is managed at the page level, larger pages can reduce page management overhead. Generally not an issue, but there are some workloads, primarily server ones where the amount of memory allocated can be greater than the CPU page cache, resulting in more page lookups.
The cost with larger pages is paging out or page compression is done at the page level, which means paging in or out a larger page means shuffling around more data.
4KiB is just a really decent size.
fickle ore
I'd rather non-compressed memory for things that I use vs compressed memory for things I don't need (e.g browser, foobar, etc). Benefit is small cpu load decrease
idk windows likes to compress even if theres free atleast on my machine lol
reef tundra
But at some point it has to decide what gets compressed and when. Based on use, size or other factors.
Also larger pages mean more unutilised allocated memory.
steep yoke
It's difficult to know if the data will compress well without having compressed the data already. And tracking if data was compressed is a whole other issue. If all of the data is compressed or not compressed, you don't have to track it. But these means and all or nothing approach.
And looking at CPU usage isn't everything. Paging out can cause CPU stalls, which while less time is spent compressing, it may result in the CPU becoming effectively slower.
But there's no harm in disabling it. And at worst, it becomes a learning opportunity. I'm just trying to play devils advocate to spark thought and curiosity on the subject.
fickle ore
Do you have any idea what LargeSystemCache does in registry? default has it disabled for w10 but could also enable it
steep yoke
Do you have any idea what LargeSystemCache does in registry? default has it disa...
from a quick search, I found "Microsoft documented the setting was for computers used primarily as file servers"
fickle ore
Same ๐
steep yoke
I'm sure there's more to it than that, but probably enough information to decide if worth persuing.
reef tundra
Hmm, seems fair. About the CPU stalling I would think it has to be very severe to have enough of an effect to. As the CPU uses a lot of techniques to eliminate dead time. Techniques such as staged pipeline, prediction capabilities, preprocessing, etc
fickle ore
@steep yoke Good stuff man, appreciated. Will give a read and ponder. Learning opportunities are also appreciated ๐
reef tundra
And it could potentially signal the kernel to block and switch the process?
fickle ore
I'm not really looking at the CPU in vacuum. I'm playing some games at 500+ fps, and there is 0 idle time for cycles. In this scenario a small hiccup for cpu/caching is noticeable, for superfetching aswell as memory compression
If I just afk at desktop I couldn't care in the slightest about compression etc
steep yoke
Virtual memory in a modern computer is a complex issue. So many pros and cons to different approaches, and there is no clear winner. We all know that Windows is not optimally configured out of the box for all configurations and workloads. What used to be a strait forward system for making room in physical memory, has become this statistical system that attempts to spend resources proactively to reduce interruptions with the hope that resources aren't wasted so much as to be worse than the issue they were trying to prevent.
reef tundra
Also doesnt help it has to be compatible with an 4-bit architecture made in a few weeks for an Japanese Calculator.
fickle ore
Yeah, Windows 10 Out-of-box performance isn't really suitable for latency sensitive tasks or maximal throughput for specific use cases
steep yoke
You'll see people spout "what's the point of all of that cpu/memory if you're not going to use it?" Simplistically, there is some truth to this. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But sometimes your stocking up on toilet paper turns into a hording problem.
reef tundra
The kernel does its best and no solution fits all. When you have to be very generalist you will be ineffective at specific tasks. As they were sacrificed to meet the general needs. Anyone needing special needs will be interested and begins to care about the loss of performance and it up and down sides. This applies to a lot of fields
It also becomes very complex when you have to realise that it is not the only process running and you can have any amount of others running in any configuration.
steep yoke
Experimenting is great for learning. But don't just blindly change settings. I can't tell you all of the times I tweaked a Windows setting because I read about it somewhere, forgot I ever did that, then ran into some "strange issues" some months/years later, only to track it down to my messing around. I have become more cognizant of my tweaks and try to "measure"(notice?) improvements. If I can't, I generally switch that setting back.
fickle ore
I did a lot of tweaking back in xp/w7/w8.1 days and frequently had to reinstall windows because some part of it bugged and couldnt even enable some services anymore.
Learned a lot from there and now pretty much know what and what not to disable
steep yoke
It also becomes very complex when you have to realise that it is not the only pr...
And there's always that odd driver/hardware interaction that results in the opposite happening.
edgy hull
Best thing to avoid forgetting stuff, document it
reef tundra
Or the roque process that gets itself into a infinite loop or malloc loop
steep yoke
Best thing to avoid forgetting stuff, document it
If there's anything I learned about documentation, it's something > nothing. If you tweak the registry, save that tweak as a .reg file with a decent name. That can be the difference between remembering what you change and not.
reef tundra
Better to have logs telling you how you fucked it up than a discussion on how you fucked it up
reef tundra
Slicc. Groovy
wheat plume
It costs the same as my build.....
And his is way way better
And more cooling and ram and storage
reef tundra
I dont need cooling currently on 74deg on 23 average load
wheat plume
Mine can reach 86c
ashen spindle
gee I wonder why its that cheap
wheat plume
?
wheat plume
That's still way way way better than what I have
reef tundra
85c is my max load, i think. and it hurts
ashen spindle
the 1k$ is without a cpu or gpu
ashen spindle
...no
wheat plume
O
ashen spindle
quite a bad list imo
wheat plume
I need to upgrade my cooling and gpu nex year maybe
Cooling as soon as possible anyway
ashen spindle
why do you think you need to upgrade cooling?
wheat plume
85C
ashen spindle
and?
reef tundra
As long as thermal runaway is kept in check it is sufficient cooling for me
ashen spindle
silicon is not water, it doesn't evaporate at 100C and is gone
reef tundra
Actually semiconductors like silicone become more conductive when hotter.
ashen spindle
ehhh, not universally accurate
but that is why heatsinks on ssd's get awkward
bc one part should stay hot but the controller should stay cool
anyway, at 85c, sure you can upgrade your cooling, but all you get from it is a lower number when you look at how hot it gets for the most part
so
reef tundra
The worst you can do with cooling is thermal runaway or thermal shock
ashen spindle
it's a 3600, it makes barely any heat lol no risk of any of that there really
reef tundra
Unless you forget the cooler all together
ashen spindle
reef tundra
my rig has the 2600x and the stock cooler is doing just fine
reef tundra
Well, atleast you know and can cancel knowing it is a piece of trash anyways
did one of their products kill themselves?
Took some others down with it?
Apparently I got an bequiet! psu in my build. It still runs and the coil whine is nice and unhearable over the blowing fans
Be quiet! PURE POWER 11 700W CM
5 years of warrenty? nice
should be good, or it would be the legal minimum of 2 years
and no cad model is provided?
only the volume it takes up really. unless you make a super compact,.
Yea, does it fit? yes/no. is clearence > height?
vagrant marsh
you mean when you install a cpu thats so chonky, you can only install non cooler ram? ๐
wheat plume
OOO, this distro enables ILoveCandy by default :D awesome
reef tundra
force it though lolcat
reef tundra
Yes, ofcource you would pick it up :) Have to life up to the (now long gone) nobel blue blood. And a good noble knows art
misty saffron
does fsp group supply psus for bequiet?
can you even get oem fsp group psus anywhere in europe?
just curious, you can in russia
well, usa then
or wherever you are
wheat plume
This is Apple's so called "Magic" keyboard and the magic part of it is that all of the keys actually work two months later
TechSpurt 2020 - Apple M1 Macbook Pro
reef tundra
Which shits its bed because they cant trust their own election process that it needed 50 or so lawsuits to settle
misty saffron
interesting, i can just walk into the closest store and theyโll have them
i see those being shilled all the time but never actually got one myself
are they any good?
i mean, iโd imagine a company doing the same and only thing for 30 years would be able to finally do it properly
reef tundra
Because it would make more money to the shareholders for their brave owning of stuff
cursive summit
ashen spindle
seems a bit pointless to speculate about that already imo
literally only info is someone saying "it might be 12 instead of 7" and people already write articles
cursive summit
Kopite has had a good record in the past
Isn't kopite literally Kopachi Ensaka just renamed?
Afaik he's been quite on point
ashen spindle
totally different person and event then he still just saidt it "might" be like that
misty saffron
fairly sure the aio is dying at this point
pale sigil
fairly sure the aio is dying at this point
Rma. Asap
Though it does also sound like there's no liquid maybe
Could try emptying it
hard thicket
be happy that it gives you signs
and not just die overnight
happend to one of my old rigs
the tubes started to deform and leaked.
misty saffron
@pale sigil what would be the best way to return it?
pale sigil
Contact the maker
misty saffron
obviously going to the store and saying "hey my pump SOMETIMES makes those noises" wouldn't do anything
pale sigil
How old is it
reef patrol
That's one dying impeller alright.
misty saffron
must be a year at most..?
misty saffron
nzxt weirdchamp
reef patrol
You're in the EU, right Hollow?
misty saffron
russia
reef patrol
Well fuck. Yeah contact manufacturer then xD
misty saffron
europe, not european union ig
pale sigil
Otherwise I would have suggested the shop haha
misty saffron
yeah, that's gonna be useless
they'd just say "we connected, it didn't make noises, it's working as intended"
ashen spindle
whats the manufacturer?
misty saffron
nzxt
pale sigil
Nah they won't
Provide them with evidence etc
Most of the time they don't test it and judt send out a new one
ashen spindle
just contact them directly, say pump broke, you have it for less than 2 years etc.
misty saffron
i'm guessing videos of noises and of my setup is fine?
just to show it's mounted properly etc
reef patrol
Haha
pale sigil
Lmao
misty saffron
i'm guessing taking a pic of the receipt i got from the store is good enough as proof of purchase?
misty saffron
of course it had to be at the bottom of the pile...
misty saffron
it's a 15 minute walk
pale sigil
Oh
misty saffron
they have almost everything i need
pale sigil
Not offer email reciepts?
misty saffron
no, i pay in store with card
pale sigil
Ye same but the tech place I goes to asks for your email to send the receipt
A lot of places do here now
Tis nice
misty saffron
apple's done that for a real while apparently
misty saffron
apple is weird, they have phones with a pos terminal accessory
then they just hand you the phone for the email
works well i guess
pale sigil
It does
A bunch of places do here, irs great honestly
I have an email dedicated for it haha
misty saffron
i've just setup catchall for that
so when i need something specific i just search for recipient email, i.e. purchases@hw.gl
pale sigil
Oh I do that too
But
I just like to keep things seperate
I have like 30 odd rules setup to organise my email lol
misty saffron
pretty sure g suite lets you group those fairly well as well
yeah, what i meant
@reef patrol do you by any chance know if i should contact nzxt support in my language or english?
misty saffron
uhm
well
the forms are half english half russian
and a little bit of german just so you feel even more confident
ashen spindle
I'd go with english, prob gets a repsonse faster
reef patrol
<@!158168189300244480> do you by any chance know if i should contact nzxt suppor...
They're Californian. I wouldn't challenge their language skills xD
Also - Most of NZXT's AIOs use Asetek pumps.
So... ๐
misty saffron
which are?
reef patrol
Only the biggest, best? pump maker on the planet. ๐
Your pump is likely just a factory defect.
pale sigil
Kinda where i stand
Even though so many people i personally know have had issues.
its a very little amount
vs the amount made overall
misty saffron
i'm just wondering where i will even have to mail it
hopefully russia, otherwise rip 50 bucks in shipping costs
urban lynx
usually if it is like a warranty issue or general product thing, the company would pay the shipping or refund it to you, if you provide the bill
if you start working commercially with wares, you'll notice you often have it that they prefer organising transport for their stuff on their own. or a factory only offers their manufactured goods up to their own gate. after that go and get it transported yourself.
misty saffron
organising transport in russia is very much a different thing imo
urban lynx
idk. i'm talking stuff like pallets and shit
misty saffron
fair
ashen spindle
imagine still not using a custom player to avoid that
reef patrol
Imagine using Twitch. At all.
latent mural
which keyboard is faster razer huntsman or wooting one?
reef patrol
Tell you what - If you can measure a meaningful difference, I'll give you a crown.
ashen spindle
@lethal wasp hey I think mansen owns you a crown
wheat plume
Mansen, can you not feel the difference between 0.01mm of key travel?
reef patrol
pale sigil
@ashen spindle ?
lethal wasp
What for?
ashen spindle
did I misremember? werent you testing wooting vs huntsman at one point?
lethal wasp
yeah, why?
wheat plume
which keyboard is faster razer huntsman or wooting one?
@lethal wasp this
ashen spindle
read the two posts above my ping :p
lethal wasp
oh yeah
that's key release delay (debounce) i believe
I have video somewhere but idk if I deleted it
lethal wasp
yeah 22ms minimum keypress time with razer huntsman
vs 1-2ms with wooting one tachyon mode
on this site https://blog.seethis.link/scan-rate-estimator/
guess I'll be taking that crown lol
reef patrol
Sorry - That was only offered to Emce. And I was obviously being facetious, referring to a meaningful difference you can feel. ๐
Which is better!?
Stop focusing on the tech - Comfort and feel is a hell of a lot more important. And entirely subjective.
ashen spindle
but if they feel simmilar/same, valid to get whats better even if you don't notice it super obviously
reef patrol
Which looks prettier?
ashen spindle
if they feel the same but one is better and looks ugly I still take it over the look
vagrant marsh
temp of my chipset is higher than my cpu. is that normal?
reef tundra
Does it work?
vagrant marsh
well. if my chipset doesnt work, that would mean i couldnt start the pc to begin with, right?
crimson wigeon
Is it alarmingly hot?
reef tundra
It only allows the CPU to communicate with your harddrives, usb devices. Small things reallly
wheat plume
dafuq is this?
reef tundra
Fred
wheat plume
oo
at least its better than "GIGABYTE, INSIST ON ULTRA DURABLE" blasted in bold across the screen
reef tundra
Caption: Human being terrorised by an Intel celeron and NVIDIA RTX 3080, the shoe was not effective..
reef tundra
Who would have guessed? Shitty, cheaped out components not being good?