🔌│tech

[iron wave]

SFP+ is amusing.

[vagrant pagoda]

they are like 40 bucks these days

[iron wave]

Maybe I can try a different set of hardware I have first.

Probably a good idea....

[pale sigil]

God damn I found a nice app for truenas

[plucky tapir]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1tprkob/exclusive_lg_electronics_to_exit_its_troubled_tv/

Would be a bit yikes, Sony is already "gone" and now maybe LG as well?

[nimble arch]

Huh

Not my beloved LG OLEDs

[thick elk]

Never looked at the financials but in my mind lg was winning oled mostly and not doing bad on lcd, seems their margins tell a different story.

[frozen ingot]

soon there will be nothing but assmung and the chinese left

[ashen spindle]

It’s not happening it’s someone baselessly claiming this is happening

[lyric hatch]

I think my nightmare scenario is happening and my ram is dying

[sullen bear]

Did you test it?

[lyric hatch]

I'm scared to confirm my findings

[bleak merlin]

memtest and pray 🙏

[lyric hatch]

My bank account can't take this rn

[sullen bear]

How old are your sticks?

Warranty no?

[lyric hatch]

~8 years

[sullen bear]

I mean depends on the brand then

[analog sinew]

if you just dont test it it cant be true 🙏

[sullen bear]

But can still easily have warranty

[craggy harness]

8+ year warranty? o_O

[sullen bear]

Some ram has lifetime no?

10+ or is that psus

[craggy harness]

so far i haven't seen anything PC wise that has more than 1-3 years of warranty, for ram and HDD/SSD i can't even remember seeing 3 much if at all

[sullen bear]

Corsair has lifetime warranty on ram

Forgive my picture of a screen

Psu have 10 years too on most brands

[craggy harness]

interesting, guess my kit is safe then, unless i actually need the purchase receipt despite the lifetime warranty, then i might be fucked either way

[sullen bear]

You need proof or purchase

[lyric hatch]

I still got my receipt bout $175 for 32gb of ddr4

[sullen bear]

Then you’ll be fine no?

Make sure your rechtbijstandverzekering is up to date

[lyric hatch]

In theory legally yes, will the retailer try to weasel out of respecting that? Probably

[sullen bear]

Thats why i mentioned this hehe

If not dutch, your lawyer insurance plan

[lyric hatch]

I'm in NZ it would be covered under consumers guarantees act and if they don't cover I'd need to take it to small claims court or at least threaten to

[umbral heron]

rechtsbijstandverzekering

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

Although at first I thought it's just random letters

[lyric hatch]

We need bushy brow remake of that gif

[sullen bear]

Yeah here its covered too, but we have a saying, having a right vs getting your rights

[sullen bear]

https://tenor.com/view/vaderlandse-patriotten-dutch-patriots-waar-true-patriots-true-gif-5764960747296539539

But yea saw the missing S when i sent it, too lazy to fix

[lyric hatch]

If I do claim it I'll probably sell it and upgrade my whole PC, it's long overdue

[sullen bear]

Good luck

[tribal dirge]

I mean, Sony is still cooking, they recently came out with True RGB TVs

[bold coyote]

me looking at polish

[umbral heron]

that's rich coming from you, Hollander

[bold coyote]

funny how languages work when you dont speak/read them huh

[tired sphinx]

both languages look like someone was drunk when making them

[ashen spindle]

poor germany surrounded by people making their language while drunk

[umbral heron]

Barely legible languages 🇵🇱 🤝 🇳🇱

[umbral heron]

serves you right

[ashen spindle]

fuck why is my right ear ringing with some incomprehensible noise

[marsh glade]

I too suffer from tinnitus, it sucks

[tribal dirge]

Like if a room is quiet enough you start to hear like an arbitrary high pitched sound?

[marsh glade]

The loudness of the environment has no bearing on the sensation

The sound comes from within

[craggy harness]

can be quite nasty, yea, especially if it's always just one side

but eh, sins of youth paying their toll, "cooked" a firecracker for too long and right in the middle of the throw swing it exploded just a few cm away from my right ear 😅

[rough osprey]

woled more filmlike then qdoled

[lapis plaza]

filmlike?

[leaden kiln]

vagueposting

[gusty kiln]

Damn the steam deck is sold out even with the new pricing

Wonder if it is just scalpers

[rough osprey]

like film instead of digital

mostly by having the weakness of lower color saturation at higher brightness

[unkempt lake]

can buy a steam deck for 1200cad or still buy the rog ally for 800 WHICH CAN RUN STEAM OS and people still go for the deck

People really are stupid holy shit

[crimson wigeon]

Does not have pads

[unkempt lake]

Same fucking chip

[nimble arch]

You can buy two Switch 2 consoles for the price of an OLED 1TB in the UK

[bright briar]

probably

[ashen spindle]

its not the same chip, the oled sephiroth shrink is custome to only valve

[unkempt lake]

A switch 2 and every exclusive

[pale sigil]

It sucks so much tho

[unkempt lake]

The deck at 1200 sucks ass

[pale sigil]

You ain't wrong either

[ashen spindle]

steam deck lcd uses aerith, z2a is aerith+, steam deck oled is sephiroth

[unkempt lake]

Also xan install bazite in the rog

[pale sigil]

My friend was mad when I told her about the deck going back in stock XD

[gusty kiln]

How much is the legion go s steam os edition?

[unkempt lake]

They also doubled

[pale sigil]

Wasn't there a recently major steamos update that made it even better for rog

[gusty kiln]

That's the only real steam deck competitor because it's steam os out of the box

[uncut token]

Hi guys! I was hoping if somebody could help me?

I currently have the Wotting 80He, tenz edition.~

Beautiful keyboard, wooting keyboards for me is where its at tech wise.

Ive had the keyboard now for about 2 months, and I love it.

Theres only 1 issue, that is the switches, These switches have linear switches (no bump), which I'm not really enjoying, because i like to have feedback everytime i click it. So I wanted to go with the tactile switches, so I can feel the feedback when i stroke each key.

I play alot of FPS games, mainly counter-strike, and with the linear switches i mess up my strafes quite regular because of this

My question is, which tactile switches are best for this wooting keyboard with the same performance, but tactile textures?

I am new to these mechanical keyboards, so im not sure which tactile switches to buy

Thank you for your time 🙂

[pale sigil]

I don't think there are many if any tactile hall effect switches.

That would be like how you want.

[gusty kiln]

Tactile kinda defeats the purpose of adjustable actuation

Unless it's at the very beginning or something

[vagrant pagoda]

nah it worked great on the flares

[pale sigil]

Nvm

Jade emeralds

[uncut token]

makes sense, good point 😅

[uncut token]

Thank you, will check this one out! 🙂

[safe epoch]

Hello? I want to change my stabilizer, but which model should I buy, 1.2mm or 1.6mm? I am using 60HE v2.

[vapid ruin]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[safe epoch]

Ty

Thankyou

[uncut token]

are gateron a good brand for these?

[pale sigil]

Yes but I can't say if they are good or bad

These specific switches

[fervent valley]

https://youtu.be/Z7IPa8kElqQ?si=Pp9-hkNp2u6c74pu @uncut token

[surreal thorn]

Ok actually i might just accept the non dual chamber cases for better airflow

[sullen bear]

Doesnt this drop driver support within3 years?

[unkempt lake]

Not on linux

[sullen bear]

Its custom chip so you cant use normal drivers no?

[modern sky]

wait steam deck is going for how much?

[unkempt lake]

1200 canadian from like 680cad

[hollow swan]

I play fps games

hd620s vs DT 770 PRO X?

(and prefer close-backs budget 170-275 USD)

[plucky tapir]

This is why Android sucks stupid apps won't theme so then the whole feature is useless

Maybe in another 5 years...

[vagrant pagoda]

get a better launcher

[plucky tapir]

Still won't theme it everywhere if the app doesn't support it

And changing launcher on Android is still shit when you use gestures and have no root

[distant tapir]

The Sennheiser over the Beyerdynamic

[left reef]

everyone hello, where i can see profile pro players and add it to my profile?

[hollow swan]

Though someone told me they beyerdynamic's tremble would be better for footsteps is that true or false

[distant tapir]

They have very boosted treble. I'm not sure what exact frequencies footsteps tend to be in but I'm not sure you hear footsteps to any relevant degree at 5 kHz+
«hearing footsteps well» is typically just synonymous with sounding shitty. I recommend you get something that is ultimately better and EQ them if you want more pronounced footsteps. GadgetryTech often makes EQ profiles for headphones he measures that do this

[hollow swan]

Got it

Cuz the headphone market is super saturated and rabbit hole like

I started at the arctic nova pro or hyper x cloud IIIs then heard from people who blew hundreds and thousands of gaming headsets recommending studio headphones, then figuring out open back doesn't work for me because of leakage and nosy backgrounds

[hollow swan]

Like there's no straight forward answer compared to when I asked for "what's good keyboard" that lead me to them wooting 80he I have now

[distant tapir]

Well there's nothing really inherent about «studio headphones». Many if not most studio headphones are not good, and there are gaming headsets out there that beast most wired headphones in existence

It's very easy to get bad advice on anything audio

[hollow swan]

So would you say at my budget there's something that tops both of the two choices I narrowed down to?

[distant tapir]

I don't know what your budget is. What do they cost?

[hollow swan]

$170-$265

[gusty kiln]

My local microcenter started selling the Snapmaker U1

[steady sail]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-monitors/lg-reportedly-denies-plans-to-sell-tv-business-to-hisense-but-theres-probably-still-a-display-war-coming-that-could-impact-the-pc/

I didn’t know that Sony sold their TV division to TLC

[reef patrol]

Yes they will. Cause a good launcher lets you change icons?

[vagrant pagoda]

thats what i was saying

[iron wave]

Other than FreeCAD what's a good free CAD package for Linux?

[empty wren]

none

lol

you can use onshape

but it runs in a web browser so basically your pixel fold can run it

[iron wave]

Cloud stuff is not good.

[empty wren]

obviously not

https://www.plasticity.xyz/

not cad but your best next bet although it costs money after the trial

most cad software is on windows

[iron wave]

That's not free then. :-/

So it's just FreeCAD.

[empty wren]

pretty much

https://openscad.org/

i guess also this

[iron wave]

Yeah, that's more of a scripting language.

Which is cool, but not what I'm looking for at the moment.

[empty wren]

fair enough freecad it is then, or use wine to use fusion 360 or solid edge

i will warn you though fusion 360 has been enshittified

i cannot export step files in my larger assemblies without minute freezing

[iron wave]

Fusion doesn't work correctly on WINE and I can use a Windows VM for it, but it gets worse every time I use it.

[empty wren]

they added ai stuff

too

[iron wave]

Also they force cloud stuff now so....

[empty wren]

it kinda has always been that way

[iron wave]

AutoDesk did?

[empty wren]

but even more so lately

[empty wren]

fusion 360 has even claude

[iron wave]

When I first used it I could save locally and create STLs locally. Now I can't.

[iron wave]

https://giphy.com/gifs/no-nope-tracy-morgan-spfi6nabVuq5y

[empty wren]

if you wanna make stls

use blender

cad is not meshes

blender is free

[iron wave]

I have more CAD experience than Blender and I have an understanding of the constraints and such.

[empty wren]

i see nevermind then

[iron wave]

It's one of the few computer classes I had that I actually learned something from. :-D

[empty wren]

i took one semester of one in high school got forced out to take another class

but stuck with me since

[iron wave]

Which is why all of this stuff is free to students and schools.

[empty wren]

yeah i appreciate inventor bveign free for students

[iron wave]

I can't remember the name of the ones I used...

One was at space camp and one was highschool.

[empty wren]

creo

solidworks

catia

nx

autocad

[iron wave]

It looks like it was just AutoCAD but I swear there was a special field specific version that I'm not seeing.

[empty wren]

maybe was one back in the day

[iron wave]

Perhaps.

[gusty kiln]

SolidWorks for Makers is $48/year

[empty wren]

until the software gets really bad or i finish this gantry, fusion 360 is mostly fine. other programs have proper cad workflow, fusion allows the user to be sloppy so it can crash.

[iron wave]

> 0

[empty wren]

i was designing ducts once in fusion 360 and tons of freezing an crashing occured. Figured somewhat out why my workflow was wrong later.

[empty wren]

if only autodesk was this kind

inventor is the high end product for them while catia is for Dassault Systèmes

meanwhile fusion 360 loses free features over time, cannot export a bloody drawing anymore!

[gusty kiln]

I use catia at work and it's pretty jank

Going from solidworks/Autocad to catia

[empty wren]

which do you prefer?

[iron wave]

AutoDesk seems to be Microsoft in a way.

[empty wren]

hmm?

[gusty kiln]

Solidworks is generally more user friendly

But it starts shitting itself on super large assemblies

Catia can handle way large projects

[empty wren]

heard that before

though solidworks at least is stable

unlike fusion 360 lol

[gusty kiln]

It feels like you have to be very deliberate when using catia while you can be more lazy with solidworks

[empty wren]

solid edge i think also feels the same way

there is two types of modeling it asks about when starting an item

[gusty kiln]

Nah i need my model/history tree

Lol

[empty wren]

actually 3 my bad

[gusty kiln]

Catia yells at you if your components aren't in the same folder together with your assembly

[iron wave]

A near monopoly sitting on their loras slowly making their products worse to extract as much money as possible.

[empty wren]

just wait til EU standardizes a cad program i guess

they did that with some office

https://office.eu/

[iron wave]

FreeCAD would probably be the option. KiCAD is better because of CERN, which is pretty awesome.

[empty wren]

ki cad i personally just use for pcbs

it is mostly 2d

[iron wave]

Yes.

That's what it's for, still cool that it's getting so good.

[empty wren]

kicad probably is blender of pcb programs

altium looks nice, but kicad is hella usable

[iron wave]

Even 10 years ago KiCAD kinda sucked.

[iron wave]

I think part of it was Eagle dying.

[empty wren]

oh yeah autodesk owns that too lol

[iron wave]

Yeah.

[empty wren]

how unshocking

[iron wave]

What, does it swap the nozzle instead of the entire toolhead more like a mill?

[empty wren]

Probably

Indx and vortek already are one in the same theoretically

The nozzle changing I think is a bit of misnomer though can blame bambu labs for that

It swaps the hot side and buffer side of a hotend

The nozzle is the bottom tip

[iron wave]

Huh.

So what I was thinking of exists.

[plucky tapir]

Good luck finding an icon pack that has all icons you want, the whole point was to use the built in Android feature so I can change colors and stuff based on wallpaper etc.

Launcher won't change that, launcher also won't change the icons in recents.

[reef patrol]

Mine did. Never had any issues.

[plucky tapir]

Different launcher, no difference

[reef patrol]

Oh no. There isn't an icon for Kodi? I use a movie reel or something. It's not hard to workaround tiny things.

[plucky tapir]

Icon pack is required then, I don't want to use an icon pack I want the built in feature to work just like it does on iOS

[iron wave]

I've never had theming issues on Android.

[reef patrol]

You want different icons without different icons. The mind boggles. Are you expecting Android to have built in, alternative icon packs or something 😄

[iron wave]

Since when did iOS let you replace Springboard?

[plucky tapir]

Different? No. Not following guidelines to allow using built in features? Yes. Android has had icon theming built in since like 14?

[reef patrol]

If you say so. I use a launcher either way. Works for me. Have for the past 4 phones without a hitch

[plucky tapir]

With an icon pack...

It's different

[iron wave]

You can't automate creativity.

[plucky tapir]

iOS themes my icons with no issues

[reef patrol]

Oh noooooo.

[plucky tapir]

Open your apps then open recents and send me a picture of that, it ain't theming your icons there with your icon pack.

Surely you understand what I want to work that should just work?

[reef patrol]

I don't even know what a recents is 😄

[reef patrol]

I have exactly two screens. My main dash as shown above, and an apps list. It's a phone, not a rocket ship. I don't five different screens and a bunch of folders. I just need to access my usual apps quickly, and rare ones via the app list. 😄

[plucky tapir]

Recents is your 3 line hamburger menu

[sudden imp]

I will say because every app is through the AppStore it makes stuff like this way more easy

Hard to give up the iPhone when stuff just works everytime 98% of the time

[plucky tapir]

Because Apple doesn't fuck around when it comes to what they want. On Android for the longest time developers can just optout of having their icons themed so a selling point feature becomes useless and look bad.

[plucky tapir]

First iPhone for me for over 10 years, hard to not be annoyed with Android when they add new features and guidelines but then let developers optout and ruining said feature.

[sudden imp]

That’s fair, I’ve always been on iPhone. My only gripe is the lack of sideloading but other than that everything does what it needs to do.

[plucky tapir]

You don't live in EU? SideStore or AltStore has worked for me.

[reef patrol]

This is just me. But I literally could not care about the icons there. I never look at them. My eyes are on ... the content. It's obvious to me which is which 😄

[plucky tapir]

Ofc but I want a uniform theme throughout the whole OS, after an OS does what it has to do I want it to also look good!

[reef patrol]

Then it looks like Android's open end isn't for you at this time. Apple may have this, but it comes at the cost of "our way or the highway". Anything they don't consider important, you'll have to look elsewhere for.

[plucky tapir]

Afaik Google is forcing all developers to support this in the future so will get fixed at some point I guess. I just want to theme icons on a system level not a launcher level.

Been using Android since the first Galaxy Nexus, I'm used to shit 😄

[plucky tapir]

I will keep using Android for as long as they allow me to install apps outside of the Store. I'll still complain about shit though.

[empty wren]

https://youtu.be/_eRRz4iFVeA

[fair tiger]

its here

[reef patrol]

Bad time to buy a steam deck I guess. They just doubled prices in some cases.

[lunar elm]

jeez

[halcyon moss]

I should sell my steam deck

[reef patrol]

[thick elk]

I could sell my second steam deck, but maybe wait for supply to dry up a bit.

[modern sky]

Makes me anxious of gabe cube price

[frozen ingot]

its dead jim

[analog sinew]

thanks ai

[vagrant pagoda]

some hotends only have a hot path in the nozzle. they went to the tiny end nozzle to get nozzle cost down

[empty wren]

the only non tiny nozzle is the volcano

[vagrant pagoda]

no i mean before that

og repraps

it sucked ass, if you got a jam you had to take the hotend off and throw it in an oven

[empty wren]

ah

also speakign of cost

i find a bit funny k20 carbide volcano nozzle cost a tad mroe than v6

[vagrant pagoda]

e3d changed the entire game with the tiny nozzle at the end

[empty wren]

but now if someone wants a highflow k20 carbide it costs like 70-80 and it is a v6 most likely

[bright briar]

.....

[empty wren]

yeah but 0.4mm orifice 0.5mm would be better technically

[vagrant pagoda]

https://reprap.org/wiki/RepRapOneDarwinThermoplastExtruder

[empty wren]

a 0.6mm is also fine, most stuff is designed for 0.4mm & 0.2mm layer heights but onyl matters if one is pulling from a database rather than designing themselves

ah heard of the darwin before

musta been fun to build this stuff back in the day

damn peek gear back then, makes pom gear extruders look bad today lolz

@vagrant pagoda it is funny we actually cycled back to long nozzles

prusa xl

creality unicorn

[vagrant pagoda]

im just saying that e3d is who mass markets the seperate nozzle tip

and it was for cost/ease of use

its just better for normal printers

[empty wren]

i agree it is easier to swap

[steady sail]

Welcome back Lana

[vagrant pagoda]

And China cloned the cheapest option

[bright briar]

ty clone of Lana

[empty wren]

phaetus copper nozzles are great

[empty wren]

is lana a species now?

[vagrant pagoda]

Always has been

Lanaposting is hereditary and contagious

[plucky tapir]

Gamer cable is here

[fair gull]

poor soul overpaid

[plucky tapir]

20 euro ^^

[rough patrol]

poor soul overpaid

[plucky tapir]

More money spent more better

[fair gull]

sounds like 20eur to many for what apparently is a worse cable than the standard psu cables

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNy_FBt-FZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJrazRm6I9o

[plucky tapir]

Hardware Busters tested it 2 weeks ago, he liked it and I usually use them for all PSU stuff.

[fair gull]

der8auer disassembled his bridge and soldered the cables straight together which made it perform better

[plucky tapir]

With his cable load was more even like that, yeah.

[fair gull]

which is the point of the bridge

not like the other claims are believable in the slightest for max current per wire or such

[surreal thorn]

is there even any cable that actually helps this or do these all do nothing

[fair gull]

they are basically all the same with the main difference being the pin shape in the connector

but even that was messed up on the rog i believe

[surreal thorn]

the only one that i know that changes anything is ampinel

[fair gull]

not a cable

[surreal thorn]

yeah ik

thats why i said specifically cable

doesnt corsair and msi have cables for it now

[fair gull]

afaik also dont change things

[surreal thorn]

yeah most likely

[lapis plaza]

After the data center in space data center in the sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSOB7VGJuKw

soon data center in volcano

[plucky tapir]

Maybe they can all move to mars and build data centers there so I don't have to live near them.

[lapis plaza]

would be good

[reef patrol]

Putting them in space is...hilarious.

Lol space is cold
No. Not always 😄

[lapis plaza]

it confirms my theory tbh: these data centers will be used for mass surveillance so better to put them somewhere they cannot be touched when people will realize it

[reef patrol]

Also who's going to do maintenance.

[vagrant pagoda]

I have been playing starminer, heat is killer

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean they already are

[plucky tapir]

Astronauts, duh.

[reef patrol]

[lapis plaza]

yeah but people think it will be used for chatgpt not for monitoring them

so for now no worries

because as everyone know history books are filled with benevolent governement and corporation not abusing power

[vagrant pagoda]

my fav ai/spying related thing is the guard rail dude is now hating on flock because they dont get thier camera poles cerified

[old marlin]

data centers under the sea make sense tho

[vagrant pagoda]

so they are acutally illegal to install in the right of way

[plucky tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/boris-boris-johnson-confused-huh-what-gif-17599743

[empty wren]

economy could maybe recover too then

[rough osprey]

https://fixupx.com/Noctua_at/status/2060369319746240931/video/1?s=46

Noctua (@Noctua_at)

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[surreal thorn]

so excited for noctua computex

[lapis plaza]

curious if there will be new oled

[nimble arch]

https://safedep.io/microsoftsystem64-binary-payload-analysis/

[zenith silo]

Big props to the dudes taking those cameras out

[zenith silo]

Noctua aio?

Or is that meant to be like the heat exchanger in air coolers

[lapis plaza]

what does it mean in average person term?

[surreal thorn]

thermosiphon

aio but no pump

[zenith silo]

Cool

Sounds nice and cheap...

[rough osprey]

aio was shown in an earlier post

[lapis plaza]

it means silent watercooling?

[surreal thorn]

basically

no pump noise cuz no pump

[zenith silo]

Im ngl I will never enjoy a silent pc

I cant live in silence I need constant background noise

[lapis plaza]

Never used a watercooler apart from the pump noise there are other noise?

[surreal thorn]

otherwise i dont think there will be noise

jsut fans

[lapis plaza]

Honestly I hate the noise of the pc could be interesting for me

[fair gull]

if you dont know what its about (the whole nodejs, npm packages etc) it doesnt affect you

[lapis plaza]

Well I use homebrew

🤔

[fair gull]

then even less so

[lapis plaza]

Oh ok so fine

I just use homebrew to install some stuff in python and julia

[fair gull]

i think this was mainly targeted to crypto trading bots or smth

[lapis plaza]

Oh ok but crazy it happens no?

[fair gull]

not really

[gusty kiln]

bundling SSD now too

[analog sinew]

slowly we are approaching the prebuilt only pc

[tribal dirge]

im ngl, these fancy cables dont really do much, you are much better off just doing it correctly by fully seating the connector in place and adding sufficient strain relief on both connection points.

also https://youtu.be/mHEWMiHgyU8

[vagrant pagoda]

did you not watch the video XD

https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/projects/vapeserver/

[fair gull]

i mean yes thats what the videos are about and what my position was on even spend 20bucks on the asus cvable

[river plover]

hi does enyone know how to fix this :
-An error occurred while installing the Analog SDK
spawn wooting-analog-sdk-updater EACCES

[tribal dirge]

I mean the cable is normally 50 eur (at least in germany) so I guess 20eur isnt bad but given that his testing shows that its detrimental to current distribution its probably still not worth it over normal cables.

[fair gull]

do you need the analog sdk?

[river plover]

I mean I went in to settings to Updates and I have Analog SKD (not found) and below I have install, and when I click install I got that error

[fair gull]

yeah there is a bug (i think) in wootility rn. if you dont need it just ignore it

[river plover]

Thx

[lapis plaza]

How much ram? Seem like a good deal

[gusty kiln]

32GB

[lapis plaza]

Yeah it is quite nice

Ram only is like 500 and cpu 400

Where I live

[gusty kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPVAnwuSjfk

rip linus investment

[umbral heron]

Now? Neo has been jumping on F12 ever since it released

If they release A19 12G version in Neo 2 for the same price then it'd be like shot to the back of the head

[vagrant pagoda]

unless you are like 50%+ of people who need x86

[vapid ruin]

at least framework 12 have more ports

[ashen spindle]

fw12 has been dead since it launched with how bad it was..

[nimble arch]

Who actually needs x86?

[ashen spindle]

this has nothing to do with arm/x86?

[vapid ruin]

actually yeah, if you need x86, you would already have x86 capable laptop/computer or have the compute running on the cloud.

[lapis plaza]

Apparently nvidia is going to introduce an arm chip at computex and dell could be the first company using it for its laptop

[ashen spindle]

the fw12 is just bad like, 66% rgb color coverage on that screen

yes that chip is the n1x which is just gb10 in the dgx spark

so we get a flood of mediatek/nvidia laptops with windows on arms that will kinda suck

[vapid ruin]

why?

[tribal dirge]

to save on cost im assuming?

[tribal dirge]

FW had to sacrifice a lot more than apple to get the price down

[gusty kiln]

[ashen spindle]

because the thing is so late, it was supposed to launch at ces 2025 so over a year ago, now we are in the phase of once they release this, amd/intel are getting ready for next gen

[tribal dirge]

plus apparently apple is going to release redesigned macbook pros with the oled screens and M6

not at computex but in their own wwdc event probably

or fall.

[sudden imp]

CRAB PEOPLE THEYRE REAL

[rough osprey]

https://x.com/xavierriverax/status/2060343341334589710?s=46

Xavier Rivera (@XavierRiveraX)

Google Chrome is rolling out device-bound session credentials to all users. Session cookies get cryptographically tied to your device, so stolen cookies can't be replayed from a different machine. Attackers who exfiltrate your cookie database get nothing usable.

X · May 29, 2026, 12:51 PM

could have used that earlier

@fair gull sounds interesting or

[vapid ruin]

Im interested to see what they'll add.

other than the new screen and chip ofc

[tribal dirge]

hopefully even more ports now that ternus is going to be CEO

[vapid ruin]

hmm, usb 4 capable usb A port (if I want to dream)

[tribal dirge]

nah idt apple will go back to usb-a.

[vapid ruin]

otherwise, idrc, port selection on macbook pro is good enough for me

[tribal dirge]

type-c is just more versatile esp since they want all their usb ports to also be thunderbolt 5 capable

[vapid ruin]

yesh, sdcard is pretty noice

[tribal dirge]

maybe added UHS-3 support

although most uhs-2 readers are able to do full speed uhs-3 so ig its not an upgrade

oh probably an hdmi version bump

[fair gull]

yes and somewhat no

[tribal dirge]

hdmi 2.2 was recently finalized, maybe they will support it on M6? although not entirely sure

[fair gull]

yes because (i think) it relies on hardware like tpm and secure enclaves but also no because devices without it can still not be secure

[vapid ruin]

actually, I'm partly hoping they're doing eye tracking rather than touch screen. Seeing what you wanna press is imo better than reaching your hands out.

[tribal dirge]

they would need to put a faceid sensor in the camera hole to do that though

although the interface is probably already there (on base M6 at least) because they need to have the faceid hardware interface and processing logic on the chip to enable it for iPad Pro.

[vapid ruin]

yessss, it'll be a really good accessibility option for the motor impaired

[lapis plaza]

It will happen?

[vapid ruin]

nah, but I can hope

[lapis plaza]

Yeah

I have an air never use the webcam and I hate the place the stupid bar in the middle is taking

[tribal dirge]

depends on how small they can make the faceid sensor hardware.

id imagine they are trying their best to make it as small as possible.

they keep making it smaller and smaller with each new generation of iPhone

[lapis plaza]

Yeah

[vapid ruin]

I mean, just face id alone will be pretty nice. It can still allow certain action through face movement.

Idk about eye tracking though, but I can at least know they have the experience through vision pro

[lapis plaza]

True dont understand why there is faceid on phone but not on laptop

[tribal dirge]

they already do it with iPhone and iPad for those who have impaired hand movevemnts like parkinsons.

[rough osprey]

are they able to export chrome password list tho

or is that encrypted

[tribal dirge]

supposedly its going to be replaced with dynamic island and be made smaller.

on the redesigned macbook pro

[lapis plaza]

Yeah I am really not a good audience for these things

Would be happy with a laptop without any webcam

But surely people loves that

It is like the phone they are making way too big for me

[fair gull]

its a csv

[tribal dirge]

I might get the supposed iPhone fold that is supposed to come this fall if its as small as its rumored to be

at least based on leaked dummy units that have been sent to case manufacturers.

[lapis plaza]

Yeah might be good if smaller but it will probably be expensive

[tribal dirge]

my guess is probably similar price to galaxy Z fold 7

[lapis plaza]

More than 1000 euros?

[tribal dirge]

more than 2000 eur

Z fold 7 is 2099 eur iirc

unless they dropped the price since i've last checked

usually z fold does not sell well LMAO

although the Z flip is popular, I see them a lot more than the fold

although a lot of them also have damaged creases.

[steady sail]

[lapis plaza]

Wow crazy price

Max I would put in a phone is 700

But at the meantime

I dont really care about phone

I mostly use them for calling

Sometime gps

[steady sail]

Yeah i want the 18 Pro Max this year

I hope

[pastel galleon]

Why do you want the 18 Pro Max?

[umbral heron]

Windows does
With like tens of APIs Windows on ARM is an abysmal experience when compared to Mac and Rosetta

[tribal dirge]

rosetta is going away with macos 27 tho :(

or was it 28?

I think it was 28 not 27

[pastel galleon]

I used to want flagship performance but my priorities kind of shifted to a headphone jack, microsd, decent performance, 120Hz OLED

[umbral heron]

Did its job, and did it amazingly well

[pastel galleon]

and I now I have like 3 phones

[nimble arch]

They're keeping a version for games

[fair gull]

wine still has no native macos arm build lol

[nimble arch]

But otherwise all the maintained software is on macOS ARM

[steady sail]

Bc i wanna upgrade

[pastel galleon]

• Still maining my S20 Ultra 5G
• Pixel 8 Pro with GrapheneOS
• LG Velvet 5G for music and video (60Hz OLED, Headphone jack, MicroSD)

[tribal dirge]

Because wine has been mostly replaced by whisky and crossover.

[pastel galleon]

what are you upgrading from?

[steady sail]

Base iphone 14

[pastel galleon]

that sounds like a pretty big jump

nice

[nimble arch]

iPhone 16 Pro Max + AirPods Pro 3 + Watch Ultra 2 is my current mobile setup.

[tribal dirge]

Although I think at this point crossover has mostly replaced whisky as well

[steady sail]

Iphone 14 + Airpods 3 Pro + Apple Watch SE 2

[leaden kiln]

drinking and driving

[tribal dirge]

But wine as a whole is likely going to be cooked once macOS 28 rolls around

[umbral heron]

It compiles to ARM with no problem
And there's Wine-FEX and Proton-FEX now for running x86 games on ARM

[tribal dirge]

Fair yeah

But apple's arm implementation as usual is a bit weird with their own instructions and whatnot.

[vapid ruin]

mmm, which means you can have almost apple VR gaming setup. Mac pro + Vision pro. As for if the mac pro can run the game at native res at 70fps, idk.

[umbral heron]

And if you can adapt it to Vision

[nimble arch]

Vision Pro seems really cool for a few things... I won't be spending £3500 to try it.

[tribal dirge]

Only good thing about it really is the video passthrough

It's the best I've tried in any VR headset

[umbral heron]

As for now the biggest market for VR is certain type of movies
And most of them are recorded with wrong focal lengths anyway, so the immersion is ruined

[tribal dirge]

It's extremely good

[nimble arch]

Apple Vision Pro is another "if I won the lottery..." purchase

[vapid ruin]

I already really like quest 3 passthrough, I feel like just seeing it on vision pro will be an imagination for me

[tribal dirge]

Also the eye tracking is really good.

[tribal dirge]

Meta quest 3 video pass through looks like hot garbage compared to Vision Pro

It's not even comparable in my opinion

It's because Apple has already perfected image signal processing for videos on iPhone. The latency is very low and the quality is best in class, too bad no one wants to support it or build apps for it.

[nimble arch]

If it didn't cost £3500, more people would buy it.

Drop the stupid eye screen thing for a start.

They could absolutely get the cost down and adopting up.

[vapid ruin]

Now im hoping somebody add almost the same thing to the frame. That thing has like pcie gen 4 x1.

But at best maybe just another set of tracking camera

[tribal dirge]

I think they need it to reduce processing power

Because they lower the visual quality in your peripheral vision to save power

[ashen spindle]

the front facing screen is a meme but thats not costing much

[pastel galleon]

do you think the steam frame might be ok for watching movies or something

[ashen spindle]

there isnt much they could save on cost for the product

[nimble arch]

That's what I meant by eye screen thing btw

It's just a dumb feature

[tribal dirge]

No the eye tracking is actually really useful

[ashen spindle]

no thats not what he means

[tribal dirge]

It's an integral part of how you navigate the device

[nimble arch]

The thing on the front

Where it mirrors you real eyes for others to see

[umbral heron]

Iunno, I certainly prefer TV for that

[vapid ruin]

It's the one that people see not the one that you see

[tribal dirge]

Oh the front screen, yeah that thing is dumb

They should just get rid of it

[pastel galleon]

I just use my monitor

[ashen spindle]

but that costs almost nothing, and they cant make a device just bare spec and not have it look fancy

you do need to make it somehow look acceptable to wear

[tribal dirge]

Also switching to plastic, would help reduce the weight too

Vision Pro is very heavy

Even though the battery is not on the headset lmao

At least from my limited experience of trying my my friend's unit

[umbral heron]

I now too, 32" is very comfortable to watch from an armchair
But I have TV set up to watch in bed, so I do watch movies and YT on TV too

[pastel galleon]

HTPC style right? Not the apps that bloat the TV?

[empty wren]

Lol even more proof it is unsustainable https://share.google/7txpJbhjS9ZWc5nBb

[umbral heron]

I have Android box with Kodi and SmartTube on it

[umbral heron]

Maybe, just maybe, LLMs are not the golden hammer

[coarse venture]

i think they didnt prompt hard enough 500m is rookie numbers

[tribal dirge]

Anthropic tried their best to make new opus versions cheaper but also made them worse in some areas.

Opus 4.6 just eats tokens.

[empty wren]

For entertainment they could be cough Nuerosama

[crimson wigeon]

Don't worry soon they'll give everyone Mythos which fixes everything

[tribal dirge]

Idk how expensive mythos is to run

But we will see when they release it

[umbral heron]

inb4 Mythos is Opus but with little to no context constraints

[tribal dirge]

More or less, it's like Opus 4.8 xxxxHigh

[crimson wigeon]

And then humans will finally be obsolete

[empty wren]

Well the sad thing is when does come crashing down the government will be begged to step in and more money will be borrowed that comes out of thin air

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean 4.7 was so much worse

will have to see is 4.8 isnt turbo ass

[steady sail]

idk if i should wait for the next gen apple TV or get a random android box/stick

[tribal dirge]

Cheaper to run than 4.6 but worse yeah

[umbral heron]

I still think the biggest weakness of current models, and LLMs as a whole, is that they don't understand math nor states
It will solve what is 583*271, but only because someone else solved it earlier, it cannot even grasp what's it is doing

[tribal dirge]

Hey gork what months have the letter Z in it?

[umbral heron]

Which is ironic, as computers are just overgrown calculators

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean they just tool call a calulator XD

[empty wren]

Damn a computer program not understanding how it is birthed true fuckery

[crimson wigeon]

You see they'll get there they'll figure out how to make the AI do a tool call for a calculator when it needs to do quick maths

[tribal dirge]

Wolfram yeah

[umbral heron]

Months with Z are as follows: Jazzuary, Fezzuary, Mazzch, Apzzil... :

[tribal dirge]

hey gork is this true?

[umbral heron]

Gork, make no mistakes

[coarse venture]

jazzuary is my fav month cus it means ur allowed to listen to jazz its also the ONLY month ur allowed to listen to jazz

[vagrant pagoda]

damn it didnt send the gif

[fair gull]

whisky is also unmaintained

so soon the only way to run win apps is to pay for crossover

[coarse venture]

dont hate on jazz, its trying its best

[vagrant pagoda]

the wine fork is in the works though. you can compile it for arm64 yourself

[fair gull]

[tribal dirge]

Even then crossover would have to figure something out once macOS 28 rolls around

[vagrant pagoda]

i think the issue is that no one really wants to wsork on it as its a pain in the ass

as it works perfect on windows and linux arm

[fair gull]

i thought crossover already has some built in way to translate itself

[vagrant pagoda]

they just use wine with patches

but you can compile wine for mac arm

its just not offical yet

[tribal dirge]

Not really, it still relies on Rosetta 2

[vagrant pagoda]

you can compile it for mac arm directly

but remeber

wine dosent emulate

so if you run arm64 wine it can only run arm64 apps

you cant run x86 apps on arm wine

thats why the offical wine distro for macos runs in rosetta

[tribal dirge]

Code weavers is actively working on something which allows it to run in absence of Rosetta 2 iirc. We will see what that entails later though

[vagrant pagoda]

as 90% of users want that

[vagrant pagoda]

yes fex

[tribal dirge]

Yeah

[vagrant pagoda]

but again, wine works perfectly on arm mac

the only reason there isnt an offical binary is because they dont want the headach of 1000s of people complainging that x86 apps dont work

fex is live recomp for x86 to arm64

[tribal dirge]

I see nice

[vagrant pagoda]

fex is the same likne as box86/box64

[tribal dirge]

I wonder if crossover will make any modifications to fex to support apple specific instructions, although it's not absolutely necessary.

[steady sail]

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean why would a x86 app call those instructions

[tribal dirge]

That's fair

[vagrant pagoda]

but yeah box64 is amazing

so fex should be as good or better

[tribal dirge]

I guess the only kind of hard(ish) work to do is DX12U to Metal translation but that's a solved problem.

Actually apples game porting toolkit already does this, but relies on Rosetta 2

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean it will 100% be dx-vulkan-metal

no reason to make 2 stacks for just macs

you will need vulkan-metal anyway

so just use the existing dx-vulkan

[tribal dirge]

Fair, Mac's have really good processing power anyways, it's probably not that detrimental to performance

[vagrant pagoda]

eh thats more to software than deisng. apple silcon is good, but it isnt god like. Its just no one else is making highpowered arm cores. Even nvidia is just using them to run the os stack, they dont do much heavy lifting

[tribal dirge]

That's fair, they do a lot to optimize software to minimize power consumption in their mobile devices like iPhone and iPad

[astral haven]

apple has specific emulation instructions for x86 that arent part of normal arm and speed up (slightly) doing x86 memory ops

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3kcbLxGwB0

[smoky parrot]

I'm not sure if I shared my recent modding endeavours

I've got a red arrow buttons coming in

[plucky tapir]

Did you get rid of the UMD drive?

[smoky parrot]

Yeah

I don't use UMDs

Probs gonna put a second battery in there

[plucky tapir]

Did you swap screen as well or kept original one?

Was thinking about putting in an IPS panel on my PSP1000 model because it looks kinda bad and has dead pixels.

Not dead dead but a cluster of red dots :/

[plucky tapir]

Think I've seen people do that before when removing the UMD, but it kinda looks cool when you can see the PCB through the transparanet case.

[smoky parrot]

I have a 2000

So no ips screens available yet

Unfortunately

Allegedly 2026-27

A company is working on kits

[plucky tapir]

Ah

2000 one is still much better than the 1000 default screen.

[smoky parrot]

Yeah

3000 and 1000 have tailored ips screens tho

[plucky tapir]

This is what most VITA OLEDs look like in the dark:

[smoky parrot]

Oof

[plucky tapir]

They call it "mura effect" hehe

Mine is not this bad but not perfect either

[smoky parrot]

Oof

I carefully removed the fused plastic window of my front panel

And put glass in it

Used a flathead small screwdriver to carefully wedge inbetween and break on the fused plastic bumps

[plucky tapir]

Nice, less chance of it getting scratched then 🙂

[smoky parrot]

Absolutely

I'm removing the charging port next

Replacing with this

Specialty made to fit in where the charge port is currently

Just need to widen the gap on the shell with files

[plucky tapir]

I don't mind the original charging port but it's quite convenient to have USB.

[smoky parrot]

I hate having a million cables

So my 3ds and soon my psp will have usb c

That or I replace the mini usb on top with an usb c

[plucky tapir]

I have so many chargers plugged in everywhere, like USB-C for modern stuff, micro USB for old gen stuff, mini USB because I'm Sony and wanna be different then whatever the hell Nintendo is doing with their stuff.

[smoky parrot]

Haven't decided yet what I'll do

Replacing the top one also enables usb-c data transfer tho

Which might be useful

[smoky parrot]

Yeah

The 5v on the psp is so dumb dumb rare in the eu

[plucky tapir]

Can you use FTP if you mod it so you don't need to remove SD card or plug into PC for stuff?

[smoky parrot]

It's more common in the states

Yeah

I can

But

It's a hassle because psp uses an old wireless protocol

So I need to make a hotspot on my phone

Because my actual access point is too new for my psp to connect to

[plucky tapir]

Fun

[smoky parrot]

Yeah

Will also make my old snes usb-c, and my gamecube

[plucky tapir]

Does the PSP support PKGj or PKGi like the VITA and PS3?

[smoky parrot]

I don't know what that is

Psp uses eboots

And you can convert psx games to eboot

[plucky tapir]

Ah ok

[smoky parrot]

For emulation through the official emulator on the psp

And of course a gba emulator

[plucky tapir]

On my VITA I use PKGj to download VITA or PSP games

[smoky parrot]

Ah

I'd like to get a vita to mod eventually

[plucky tapir]

3G model is the best for that as you can change the 3G modem to another SD card instead of using one of those SD adapters in the gamecard slot.

[smoky parrot]

My psp has one o those cards hehe

[plucky tapir]

Yeah the original PSP SD cards are really expensive and tiny

I think mine has a 512MB one

[smoky parrot]

Oh yeah, mine is a 32gb

[reef patrol]

Just use an adaptor?

Literal non issue.

[smoky parrot]

My autism cannae handle adapters Mansen!

[reef patrol]

It's just like a typical SD adaptor. Just for Pro duo

[halcyon moss]

I hate memorystick with a passion

[smoky parrot]

Oh, I own this haha

That's what I use in my psp

[reef patrol]

[halcyon moss]

Bleh, not a fan of this floating bottom menu

[steady sail]

https://x.com/rickbrewpdn/status/2060397901650825238?s=46 a happy man

Rick Brewster (@rickbrewPDN)

I GOT THE DOMAIN! I FINALLY GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!1 🥳🎉

Paint​.NET is now at https://t.co/ZJTUII4bVG!

Well, it will be just as soon as I push all the buttons to migrate content and set up redirects from getpaint​.net etc. For now it's just a "hey go here" redirect page.

X · May 29, 2026, 4:28 PM

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqXrIqJJEFQ

God this is so cursed 😄

[halcyon moss]

Til unraid is based on slackware

And are now looking to move to an other base distro

[safe epoch]

Is there a problem with the rapid trigger even if multiple magnetic shaft switches are used at once in Wooting? I want to mix the Gravasta UFO switch and the lecker V2 switch.

[tribal dirge]

not really, you can set different switch types in the switch selector in wootility and it should be perfectly fine.

[safe epoch]

Tysm

[fair gull]

wonder how much of the issues is just unoptimized drivers ala first gen intel

[ashen spindle]

half driver half hardware

mtt is just imagination IP scaled up

[fervent plaza]

here we go

[radiant saddle]

woo

but yeah

[reef patrol]

I hereby claim my stake on this virginal land!

[radiant saddle]

i dont know too much about hw interfacing

[reef patrol]

• plants flag*

[fervent plaza]

your weird cross flag is not welcome here @reef patrol

[reef patrol]

😦

[fervent plaza]

only stripes allowed

[reef patrol]

We're the OG flag.

[fervent plaza]

and no stars as well

Anyone, regarding driver

You can create custom reports for USB HID devices

So you can specify that your USB device sends 87 values ranging from 0 to 255

[radiant saddle]

And you can have an application have direct contact with the USB HID device without having to queue the OS for events?

[fervent plaza]

yes

[radiant saddle]

hmmm

i wonder how that would work

would the HID device push directly to teh appication somehow or teh application constantly ping the keyboard or what

[fervent plaza]

• Add lib for USB HID devices to your project
• Open device and read values

I guess you just poll it

since your OS does that as well essentially

[radiant saddle]

but if the HID USB is interfacing directly with teh application, isnt it bypassing it

[fervent plaza]

But most game engines convert it to interrupts right?

bypassing what?

[radiant saddle]

Nvm

Its past 3am, my brains kinda mush lol

[fervent plaza]

Oh shit, I need to eat before meeting brb

[grim cloud]

std::cout << "Hello" << std::endl;

[zenith sonnet]

Where's Erik? I got an idea and I want to know his opinion

[modest adder]

@zenith sonnet I'm here

If it's a secret idea you can also pm me

[zenith sonnet]

@modest adder Well, it's pretty much a feature request/suggestion. Shouldn't be to hard to do, it's just a firmware or even software thing. depending on the implementation.
Basically, I was thinking about a 'rapid fire mode', which rapidly toggles a key on and off with ms timing, on vs off time depending on the analog readout. Like, if the key is 1/3 depressed, it would be 1/3 of the time on, and 2/3 off.
Uses I see for it are semi-analogue movement in games that don't support analog input, by depressing and releasing movement keys with ms timing. Won't work in every game, but should work in quite a few.
Or, for example, to trigger a CD asap after it comes of cooldown, basically removing reaction time entirely, but just keeping the key depressed instead of spamming it.
Keypress rate could be adjustable, up to 1000Hz (since you do 1000Hz polling), or up to several seconds. You could also add the option to make the key a toggle on/off, instead of having to depress it.
Or to rapid-fire a semi-automatic gun, removing the need to click as fast as possible.
There are probably a lot of scenarios that could come handy in. It's not a new idea, but with the anolog input more potency than current implementations, which can only be on or off, or not adjust rate on the fly.

So yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking about.

[modest adder]

it's aa interesting idea. and it could fill a gap with games that wont support analog. @fervent plaza is it possible?

Your idea gives me so much inspiration

[zenith sonnet]

Haha, yeah

It was just suddenly boiling over in my head once it made click

[grim cloud]

Indeed not a bad idea.
I'm not seeing anything that would make it impossible.. since it's basically auto-hotkey-kind of thing. xD

[zenith sonnet]

Thinking about it, the G-series software can do it too. Minus the analog.

Saves the profiles on-board, so you can use it even without the software

[alpine spindle]

so many text channels

[modest adder]

You haven't seen our slack which we only use with the 3 of us

[radiant saddle]

@zenith sonnet @modest adder the problem with having a 'rapid fire' toggle built into teh actual keyboard is that comp events will be sektch of anyone with a wooting if not disallow them altogether

[modest adder]

That's true, presses the mode key until digital mode

but what you said could be a problem for analog kbs in general

[radiant saddle]

Well i said issue with rapid fire mode

[modest adder]

That's why we need to make sure this tech will become industry standard

[radiant saddle]

Not analog movement

[modest adder]

I can imagine that analog could be an unfair advantage

[radiant saddle]

Notice that most other mainstream mehc keyboards allow a large range of macors, but no rapid fire macros

All that is usually dont through third party tools like AHK

Comp events are uber strict on maco usage depending on teh game.

Last thing you want is to have everything about analog keyboards be seen as bad just because of one of them having a rapid fire ability

Press will overexagerate it like usual

And warp the info

[modest adder]

You have a decent point there

Besides rapid fire the idea opens up an entire new dimension. But then again it is something we have to look into. All the pros en even the cons. And from that point on decide what we should do with this.

But again you are making some valuable points there

I'm off to bed cya in the morning/afternoon/evening depending on the time warp zones

[zenith sonnet]

@radiant saddle Logitech and several other gaming peripheral manufacturers already have this feature build in. ALL Logitech devices are able to do it, driverless even via onboard memory.
If that were an issue, they'd have to ban any Logitech devices as well, which frankly, I doubt will happen.

The only significant advantage of the Wooting over Logitech G-series keyboards will be the ability to mimic analog input in games that don't support via rapid toggling of the keys based on the analog readout, whereas with standard tech you're forced to use a fix, preprogrammed value.

[crude cipher]

@zenith sonnet Yeah I think that's potentially a good idea, I think it was suggested earlier

[fervent plaza]

@zenith sonnet It's been on my list to test for a long time, I'll let you know when I do

Probably somewhere during beta testing

I'm pretty curious how games will respond to the rapid toggling of keys

[silver night]

inb4 wooting becomes midi controller

[zenith sonnet]

@fervent plaza Various games react differently. Some games will potentially glitch - visually - by alternating walking and breaking stances of a character rapidly. Some don't accept input that fast. Magicka, for example, did not let me build macros without adding a 40-50ms delay between each keypress, but the keypresses were different and the purpose as well.
Most games will probably work just fine, though. First person will not glitch like 3rd person does. Games with very smoothed acceleration/decelleration will probably react too slowly and just interpolate the movement.
I would like to see as well how games behave. I could try with my G13 and a fixed rate later.
It's probably a trial and error thing.

[fervent plaza]

If you can try something, that would be great

I'll try to create a demo as well so its possible in the firmware

[zenith sonnet]

Fun fact: discord interprets the input as the character 'g', because my keyboard layout has the character g in place of the w in qwerty

@fervent plaza Got results!

Tried it in Borderlands (the original)

So, starting with the command above it did indeed work, but cut speed to roughly 1/3rd, and didn't feel perfectly fluid, but sometimes sped up or slowed down. Not much, but enough to notice.
Bumped down to 1ms commands, and it got worse, speed dropped to roughly 1/4-1/5th
So I bumped it up to 4ms, and it worked. Shift-W to sprint broke, though.

Seems like the old Unreal Engine 3 can only handle about 100 input per second well, at 200 it craps itself.

Very slightly.

Still playable, though

A 5ms on 5ms off macro feels like perfectly fluid motion though, which, considering 6ms frame times on my 144Hz display, makes sense.

Screw that, but isn't my G13 so old it still runs on 125Hz polling? That makes anything below 8ms moot...

I'll try again with the G900

Fucking hell.. The command editor doesn't include the repeat option :/

Oh, it does. It just cannot be stored onboard.

It works with proper 1ms polling, but engine still craps itself.

[fervent plaza]

Cool man, thanks for trying it

Did you reach about a 50% movement speed? You can also play around with the on/off time to achieve different levels of movement speed

Although to get the same smooth movement the on/off time is probably to low for that

[toxic pollen]

I never thought of that it's pretty cool try it in driving games or GTA. It wouldn't work for Arma tho because there's double press w and other keys so it would be overwhelming

Try making shift+w 100% and w alone 75% and same for asd

[zenith sonnet]

It's pretty dumb if games hardcode stuff like sprinting to 'double press forward keybind'

[radiant saddle]

Well if teh movement was being parsed as controller, i dont think it would be teid to a W key

[toxic pollen]

yes

[reef patrol]

Cooler Master's doing a C++ contest for making lighting effects for their boards using their SDK. A heads up for you hackermen.

[radiant saddle]

@reef patrol Link?

[reef patrol]

Lemme see...

http://maker.coolermaster.com/custom-lighting/

@hexed gyro You can see previews of submissions there too. Might be some inspiration for the Wooting's colour profiles. 😃

[hexed gyro]

That's a great idea of them

Thanks, going to take a look what they've made

[reef patrol]

It's a great way to get your CV out there as well I guess - I wouldn't be surprised if keyboard makers would hire someone who does amazing code from a contest like that. Or at least hire them shortterm.,

[hexed gyro]

Yeah, good point

[broken aspen]

I guess that's the keyboard equivalent of those people who get hired after making total conversion mods of Skyrim and such

[zenith sonnet]

@fervent plaza To clear QA. And it outputs a voltage?

[fervent plaza]

Sort off

More lights leads to more current through a resistor, so increasing voltage across resistor

[zenith sonnet]

What interprets that signal into a digital one?

[fervent plaza]

ADC of a microcontroler

The conversion is the main limiting factor here

time wise

[zenith sonnet]

How much delay does it have?

[fervent plaza]

couple of microseconds

[zenith sonnet]

That's still in the irrelevant tier

[fervent plaza]

Considering you need to convert the entire keyboards (87 signals) all the time it does become the relevant limiting factor

[zenith sonnet]

Did you ever do any measurement from of total response time from phototransistor to USB port?

[fervent plaza]

Yeah, we can scan the entire keyboard withing a milisecond

And that is the fastest the USB spec will go

[zenith sonnet]

Without custom drivers, anyway. So, it will take less than two ms until a switch state change will arrive at the mainboard?

[fervent plaza]

Well, you can go faster with either PS2 or implementing a different USB standard, but that's a lot of work for nothing noticable

Yeah

And from there there's probably also some delay within the OS and game engines, but I haven't researched those really

[zenith sonnet]

That's actually pretty incredible, considering this image

It's for mice, the delay between after a switch activates until the OS interprets the signal, compared to a G300

All that delay comes from the mice's PCBs

[fervent plaza]

Yeah, that's mostly switch debouncing

[zenith sonnet]

They soldered two LMBs to the same switch, then actuated it

So they got the signal in the exactly same moment

And measured the time until signal arrival on OS level

Which rules out the latter as a factor, because it's the same for all of them

[fervent plaza]

Damn, they take their marketing pretty far there

I wonder if there were any faster switches taken out of the picture

Since the faster one are so minimal compared to the slower ones

[zenith sonnet]

I dunno, the same switch was used in all the tests, not sure which one

http://utmalesoldiers.blogspot.de/2013/02/114.html

Original

http://www.overclock.net/t/1411332/mouse-button-lag-comparison

Where I found it

It's an Omrom D2FC-F7-N switch apparently

[fervent plaza]

Oh, I though it was by logitech nvm

"At the bottom of this page you can find another click latency test, done using a different method (bumping two mice together -- see the Addendum for details)."

😆

that's some real science

[zenith sonnet]

So yeah, that's basically confirming my feeling that Logitech mice feel snappier. The other big thing is the sensor, which devastatingly outshines any other switch used in mice on market.

Yeah, lol

One has higher actuation force

But if the mice move fast enough, it won't be a high delay

And actually, actuation force matters - it makes you slower

So, in the end, the amount that remains would actually be relevant

Anyway, you should do some real life testing like that, not that your firmware adds a 10ms delay that you don't know about yet :p

[fervent plaza]

Yeah, I'll try to think of something to test that

[hexed gyro]

@lethal wasp there's a difference between noticeable decreased latency and just decreased latency

[fervent plaza]

Right now I just tested how long it takes to convert an entire keyboard to digital values

[hexed gyro]

Paul Dietz video proves the first

[fervent plaza]

But I don't really see other things which increase the time there

[lethal wasp]

it's cumulative afterall

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah, but surprisingly, some mice needed 15ms+ longer than others to do the same thing. So I was just looking for a confirmation to rule out that it's the same case for the Wooting

[hexed gyro]

Okay that's a good point. If you can decrease latency on the keyboard, that will decrease the total cumulation.

but there's definitely a tipping point between what you notice and don't

[lethal wasp]

oh of course

5ms however

is percievable under the right conditions

since that's almost an entire frame of delay on a fast screen

[hexed gyro]

Then from what I understand from @zenith sonnet and all the mice theory, you should be really annoyed haha

[fervent plaza]

What do you mean, the same thing?

[lethal wasp]

that we now have almost realtime latency in keyboards but not mice?

[fervent plaza]

I assume different mice use different type of switches

[lethal wasp]

they're all in the same ball park though

[zenith sonnet]

One switch, two mice

Some mice needed over 15ms longer than a G300 to output a 'click' signal to the PC

I don't know why, but it happens

[lethal wasp]

this is purely an effort to stop double clicking etc, which is why metal switches are out dated

[fervent plaza]

I'm not sure about mice switches, but they're probably not in the same ball park if you look at the test results

[fervent plaza]

I mean, if you just want to create a cheap mouse I wouldn't worry to much about designing "fast" mechanical contacts

[lethal wasp]

well it's not the specifcally the switch that's changing the latency, it's the firmware around it that makes it "usable"

[fervent plaza]

It's both for sure

[zenith sonnet]

Doesn't the test rule out the switch?

[lethal wasp]

it does

[fervent plaza]

Oh right, sorry

[lethal wasp]

all they are testing is the firmware

[zenith sonnet]

And it also rules our the OS. It's all on the mice's firmware/PCB

[lethal wasp]

all this circle jerk could happily be avoided

[fervent plaza]

Wtf man, why is their FW so slow

[lethal wasp]

we already have optical mouse switches available

[zenith sonnet]

I don't know. That's one of 4 reasons I'm loyal to Logitech, lol
Then the Software, the support and the sensor.

They outclass everyone on those 4 categories

[lethal wasp]

except the arguably biggest factor, shape

[fervent plaza]

What about costs?

[zenith sonnet]

@fervent plaza I dunno why their firmware is so slow. As long as the Wooting's isn't, is all I ask for ❤

[lethal wasp]

surely you know why

[fervent plaza]

yeah, dev costs

[lethal wasp]

it's to stop people RMAing their products

[zenith sonnet]

Logitech mice are priced reasonably

[lethal wasp]

owns a £140 mouse ^

[fervent plaza]

how so @lethal wasp ?

[lethal wasp]

double click issues etc

logitech do have some secret sauce as far as debounce logic goes clearly

[zenith sonnet]

I paid 116 Euro for the arguably best mouse on the market, I think that's fair

[lethal wasp]

I'm sure we'll see it used by competent playes at lan lol

I digress

[zenith sonnet]

You will

Also, if a Logitech mouse starts double click issues, Logitech will send you a new one immediately, and ask you to return the old one after you got it. If it's out of warranty, you get a store coupon for a decent discount on a new purchase (I got a 50% one).

That's fucking good support.

Gotta eat, afk a while

[fervent plaza]

have fun

[toxic pollen]

My MX performance double clicks 😥 can I get the same deal?

[crude cipher]

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/e-element-rgb-keyboard?referer=2GH2GE looks interesting

Hot-swappable keyswitches

Not sure if they're any good though, never heard of "Outemu"

70 USD so I'm guessing probably not

[hexed gyro]

Outemu is a clone switch manufacturer. Did they make a hot-swappable version?

[radiant saddle]

look at the scrrenshots

hotswappable with light and everything

[hexed gyro]

link doesn't quite bring me to the spot

wants me to login doh

[radiant saddle]

@hexed gyro http://puu.sh/qYa9z/e8060dfa90.jpg

Doesnt use Cherry stems doe

Uses ALPS

[hexed gyro]

Yeah just saw it

it's quite interesting

choice

[zenith sonnet]

I'd actually like to try the Romer G switches, I think that's what they are called

Supposedly an improvement on Cherry MX switches

Less noisy

And slightly improved feel

[hexed gyro]

That's a different switch

Sorry, I mean that's the Logitech switch ye, the manufacturer is now open the molding for others to start using it

[crude cipher]

@hexed gyro Why don't you have a MD account, anyways? There's a lot of interesting KB stuff posted there, even if you don't buy stuff.

[hexed gyro]

@crude cipher i have a Md account but it logged me out

[radiant saddle]

@fervent plaza So what did you want to know about the engine

When you messaged me last night, i was trying to sleep. And it didn thelp that i had a yowling cat refusing to let me sleep lol

[radiant saddle]

@fervent plaza https://images-1.discordapp.net/.eJwFwckNwyAQAMBe-HPucrkZC2GEkTCLDHlF6T0zX_Z5OzvYvfdch5RXW5neS6xNb6pFVKLaS5ptiUyPTHunfD9l7CW1guBtjE5D0Mr4gNIYawE9RgQfLLjoZO6NhsPTKO24ilzjqYADcmPEHJX9_tHeJpg.QJelQU_8i8WfnGkhs2ike5HrJYE.png

10/10 commenting am i right?

[grim cloud]

11/10, would comment again @radiant saddle 😄

[fervent plaza]

😁

[crude cipher]

@radiant saddle 2016 — capitalizes McDonalds but not America

[radiant saddle]

hue

[radiant saddle]

Ok so

If you where to do what i think you are doing

suggesting'

[scenic fiber]

One sec.

[radiant saddle]

k

[scenic fiber]

I will use string[0][0], string [1][0] and etc. for game names

And I will use string [0][1], string [1][1] for commetns

[radiant saddle]

ah

multidimensional array method

i get it now

[scenic fiber]

Yep

[radiant saddle]

that overcomplicates it a bit though

[scenic fiber]

And I even don't have to check comments every time. Only if I found that this game was already added

We are comparing comments strings

It won't be easy anyway

[pale sigil]

How about this....

Hit ctrl f and type the game kek

sorted

[radiant saddle]

if you where to go teh JSON route, you could use a basic JSON inetrface to append data without having to go trhough a bunch of custom logic

In adition, it would already be formatted for the site

[scenic fiber]

As I said, I'm not php expert

I'm speaking more from C position