🔌│tech

[heady hazel]

i think they are still reeling from the whole cpu degradation issues, that burned some confidence from buyers

[lunar elm]

problem with ram tuning on intel also is that it can just randomly decide it doesnt want to run at the speed you tested as “stable” while AMD is either it works or it doesnt

[lunar elm]

definitely since it wasnt that long ago

[heady hazel]

its not like am5 was perfect in the early times i remember cooking cpus but at least they did not degrade slowly

[lunar elm]

all roads lead to am5

[surreal thorn]

asrock thoo

[lunar elm]

its definitely a stable platform rn

[sage heart]

You should just rewatch this video simce you dont know anything, its by buildazoid. There is way more to achieving 3200/3200/2200 than just the ram stick which I already explained above

https://youtu.be/Xcn_nvWGj7U?si=7p6ClmGhzDw3fXfv

[cerulean arch]

dont tell me, the IMC matters too????

woooow

[sage heart]

I already had that conversation you just werent following

Me and quin were talking

The one that corrected you a few times already

[surreal thorn]

ngl i wish asrock mbs were actually stable cuz theyre so good

[sullen bear]

They are until they are not

[surreal thorn]

exactly

[sullen bear]

But the error % is super low thats why asrock never followed up proactively

[heady hazel]

i remember their overclocking boards back in haswell times

[sullen bear]

I still run my asrock nova x870e

[surreal thorn]

still higher than it should be

[steady sail]

my next board is gonna be asus regardless of how many good mobos are out there

[surreal thorn]

im going gigabyte

[heady hazel]

their taichi boards look great, which is thing i look for aswell

[cerulean arch]

If you actually watched it you would know how hard 3200 2200 actually is with low latency

[sage heart]

Asus ROG Apex

[sullen bear]

You mean the ones with the same issues?

[heady hazel]

hmm bios level root kit aka armory crate

[steady sail]

pointless LOL

[steady sail]

i never installed it

[cerulean arch]

Getting a dimm that can eun that on all ram chips + and imc that can run it stable is astronomically rare

[lunar elm]

nah its the best OC board period

[cerulean arch]

Its for sure the best i agree

[heady hazel]

as far as i know that does not matter as its part of the bios and there was a vulnerability there

[cerulean arch]

I agree

[steady sail]

i don't know how to OC

[lunar elm]

its not a matter of agreeing its just straight facts

[steady sail]

i never touch overclocking xD

i dont care about it

[cerulean arch]

For enthusiasts, its currently still the best board and not that expensive at all

[lunar elm]

https://tenor.com/view/exusiai-apple-exusiai-arknights-arknights-exusiai-arknights-exu-gif-6352823812957593457

[heady hazel]

i suggest aorus stuff, its gigabyte but slightly nicer in most regards have had a x570 aorus master for ages now its good

[steady sail]

i don't give a fuck xD

[surreal thorn]

im going aorus master

[steady sail]

im not spending $900 on a mobo

[lunar elm]

“not that expensive” the b850mpower does 90% of the job at 30% of the price

[sage heart]

I just wish every company had white and blaxk versions of their components so my builds werent mixed like a monochromatic scene

I wont sacrifice build qualities for aesthetics outside of what I can control

[heady hazel]

i mean asus makes all white parts

[umbral heron]

More Livemixers

[heady hazel]

i like that board tbh its cool

[sage heart]

Yeah but Im too lazy to throw on a waterblock and build a manually tubed liquid cooled system, I prefer MSI SUPRIM Liquids and my AIO 360mm cpu cooler

[cerulean arch]

and x670e at least has eclk for example

not enough boards do

[umbral heron]

I have B650, at this point it's orange-white build

[steady sail]

i would just pick a b850 board

[heady hazel]

i miss orange parts my first gaming gpu was orange.

[umbral heron]

Ew, X chipsets

[lunar elm]

b850mpower mogs smh

[umbral heron]

B chipset is peak

[ashen spindle]

lower tier x series is literally the b series rebrand

[lunar elm]

30% of an apex price doing 90% of the work including having eclk option

[steady sail]

i just love ASUS bios and thats it

[sage heart]

Plus the OLED screens on ASUS 360mm AIOs are beautiful

[lunar elm]

asus bios is elite

[heady hazel]

i also miss the cool box art

[sage heart]

Im using two of these right now in 2 different builds

[cerulean arch]

that does seem like good value

but i would still pick apex 10/10 times

[umbral heron]

I just slapped Peerless Assassin on mine

[cerulean arch]

and its only like half the price of apex

[heady hazel]

oh god i miss 2013 pc builds

[umbral heron]

[sage heart]

I remember the days, that cpu cooler looks like a docking port for the space shuttle

[iron wave]

I'm wondering if a USW-Flex-2.5G-8-PoE would be a good option for a PoE powered switch. I want to use a single small UPS to keep my network up and I'm running a couple of APs that this switch would power. I also might need a PoE+++ injector? Not sure if my 30W PoE router would be able to power the switch and the two APs.

:-D

[umbral heron]

Is keeping CPU nice and cool, but I think I'll replace fans with Arctic or Noctua, because these ones are loud

[heady hazel]

i cant say enough how i miss multi gpu systems

[lunar elm]

tbh apex is useless unless you have a good bin for amd bcs a lot of current gen 2dpc can do 8k and atp you’re either ram or imc limited

[steady sail]

• it would be useless for me as i don't touch anything in my bios

[lunar elm]

friend recently got a x870e aorus X3D, he tested with a 8500g and did 8600 (board is rated for 8200)

its like they laced the memory traces with crack

[umbral heron]

Enable EXPO, enable PBO, set boot priority and never touch again

[steady sail]

yeah thats what i did and maybe some fan control

[heady hazel]

Yeah pretty much even fans run off hubs these days

[lunar elm]

no 65535 trefi is sad

[ashen spindle]

tbh these days I'm of the opinion if you enable expo and keep it like that, just stay at jedec isntead

mostly same performance but you are guaranteed more stability

[lunar elm]

im sure some guy out there with the turdiest imc with his 9800x3d is wondering why he cant enable his 6000 EXPO/XMP profile

[steady sail]

man i remember that my 2600x couldn't run 3200 expo

[ashen spindle]

part of the issue is also how LTT does the secretshopper and deducts points for expo not being on and all that and not really looking if it actually matters since teh ddr4 days were over

so it keeps it in peoples mind as expo = mandatory

[umbral heron]

My poor old 3600x worked on 3200 half the time

[heady hazel]

Iirc even later ryzen cpus did not care that much either just first gen needed amd specific stuff

[ashen spindle]

oh no even current gen bar x3d cares and profits a lot

the issue is just with ddr5 the latency matter more than just the raw speed and default expo timings at higher speeds are really bad

[heady hazel]

I mean ryzen 1000 was very picky about which ram it wanted to run with at all

[lunar elm]

they used painter’s tape to stick the imc to the cpu smh /s

[ashen spindle]

zen1 was such a mess lmao

theres a reason zen1+ exists

[iron wave]

Even then it was an obvious game changer.

[heady hazel]

I was on zen 1 with a 1600x it was decent after sacrificing my first born to the ram gods

[umbral heron]

I'd say all AM4 Zens were very picky about RAM

[gusty kiln]

Samsung B-die go brrrrrr

[ashen spindle]

nearly all of current memory oc knowledge will be thrown out of the window in the next half year anyway lol

with both nvl and zen6 going for 8800MT/s support

[heady hazel]

idk i throw random dimms at my 5900x and it takes them, then again its 3200 so not rocket fast

[unkempt lake]

But what if i got my x670e for really cheap smh

dont ew at my pc

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/veI2.gif

But I will meme at people who say that you need x870

[iron wave]

Is that the one with proper IOMMU support? If so I kinda need it. .-.

[lunar elm]

you need a x870e apex

absolutely essential fr

[umbral heron]

IOMMU? You are like 20 years too late

[steady sail]

time to get the Godlike x870e board

[iron wave]

Huh?

[umbral heron]

IOMMU is pretty much everywhere since like 2007

[iron wave]

Not on chipset lanes.

My current one only does IOMMU on CPU lanes correctly, everything on the chipset is in its own group and can't be split up.

[unkempt lake]

I just was like this one's cheap and it has more usb ports and i like usb ports

[iron wave]

With more PCI-e you can get more USB.

[unkempt lake]

Alook at how many usb ports i have

[iron wave]

Gradiant.

[unkempt lake]

They censored it because i showed all of you my ports owo

[umbral heron]

My B650 has more

[ashen spindle]

yeah and anything pre 2017 doesnt quite work as vanguard shows xD

[wheat plume]

I showed you my port
Please respond

[ashen spindle]

skylake technically supports it but doesnt quite work with it

[umbral heron]

Yeah, but still, it's almost 10 years at this point

[ashen spindle]

well, having it and it working correctly are 2 different things xd

[unkempt lake]

I remember looking at it

But it being oos lol

Its the livemixer right?

[steady sail]

[umbral heron]

yee

[unkempt lake]

Ye it was on my list back then

[vagrant pagoda]

@empty wren https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMAWa9vfxcE

[iron wave]

Insane!

[empty wren]

Well it looks like a boat

Wonder if he can get more out of the machine by enclosing it though

[vagrant pagoda]

how

cooling is one of the biggest issues

he needs hollow core linear motors instead of steppers

[empty wren]

Just a more controlled environment is what I was thinking

[empty wren]

He has a glass plate to cover below the bed. Would not be too demanding to enclose the motion system below as well

But anyways it would be more time consuming to iterate the roetz machine

[surreal thorn]

Need no but bigger numbers are cool

[vagrant pagoda]

the glass is to keep the plate flat, other wise it would move up and down

[surreal thorn]

gosh im still wondering what case to get

i needa figure out

[vagrant pagoda]

why case

just set on mobo box

[surreal thorn]

All the air

[empty wren]

Right, well regardless the machine is unique for what it is anyways. Only printing benchy boats

[surreal thorn]

cuz tbf if im going noctua fans i need a good airflow case

[empty wren]

Well the t250 has been called out 🤣

[surreal thorn]

but alot of them are usually not dual chamber which i prefer the look of

[empty wren]

He is very transparent about his methods

[empty wren]

He is also gonna open source the kinematics

[balmy vector]

oh god the side connectors

[surreal thorn]

ok ngl ptm7950 is nice but id prob only use it on gpu core

and laptops

idk about on cpu heatspreaders

[cerulean arch]

Nice too

I had pumpout quite a few time on pastes

Even direct die i would pick ptm over LM

[surreal thorn]

i just dont like lm

[cerulean arch]

same

[gentle osprey]

https://youtu.be/kObf7-IjEeA?si=PwC2A6YHnrXBIJ0w

240hz Micro OLED Gaming Glasses

[vapid ruin]

this is nice for small setup.

[craggy harness]

i'm kinda wondering how this would work for people that need to wear actual glasses

[vapid ruin]

for $900 ish, it's not that bad considering nice ish oled monitor prop cost as much.

[leaden kiln]

probably prescription inserts like you would use on vr

[vapid ruin]

contact lens, but I'm not sure.

[gentle osprey]

Yeah maybe

[leaden kiln]

or diopter adjustment

[vapid ruin]

maybe if it's thin

[leaden kiln]

https://eu.shop.xreal.com/products/xreal-one-pro-prescription-lenses

[craggy harness]

if they can get adjusted it would be nice, if it fits over glasses all the better, but contacts? hell no

[vapid ruin]

this is nice

[nimble arch]

Nice to see a gaming-focused product for what’s effectively the only good use case of Apple Vision Pro.

[craggy harness]

seriously now? now that's what i call nice marketing

[tribal dirge]

Iirc you can adjust the focal length on xreal glasses?

[leaden kiln]

that's a different model but that's the solution most vr headsets use too

it's the most convenient and if you're the only person using them you can just leave them in the glasses

[nimble arch]

Can’t say I enjoy needing to buy prescription lenses as a glasses wearer, I pay enough for my normal glasses.

[vapid ruin]

it also serve as a nice lens protector.

[leaden kiln]

it could but I wouldn't say it's especially easy to scratch vr lenses

I've never damaged any of mine

I did consider getting non prescription inserts for my bigscreen beyond but it's added cost for no major benefit

and that headset is hard enough to get adjusted properly, would have to move my eyes further away from the lenses which just makes that headset a slightly worse experience
for me personally it worked best when my eyelashes were almost touching the lenses lol

[craggy harness]

well, it is kinda nasty that you'll have to pay twice, but still better than not having any solution at all

[leaden kiln]

I don't see how it's nasty, what should they do as another solution, you can buy some other device that accomodates glasses better or use contacts
a device like this will be significanly bulkier to accomodate glasses, definitely not doable in this formfactor, and you will get less field of view moving the screens further away

[wheat plume]

[gusty kiln]

it feels like microsoft completely forgot about their hardware

[craggy harness]

or make a model that has enough room for regular glasses

wouldn't make them that much bulkier tbh

[wheat plume]

Surface was never good value for money no matter what configuration you got

Even the "budget" Surface Go range was garbage value for money with dual core CPUs for like 600 euro

[gusty kiln]

they are too deep in the AI to care about other divisions

[wheat plume]

yeh ,-,

[gusty kiln]

which is a shame, that 2 screen phone thingy they made was cool

even though no one bought it lol

[craggy harness]

meanwhile i'd say no laptop/notebook etc ever had good value for money rates^^

[gusty kiln]

yeah portability is a premium

[leaden kiln]

you would need a completely different way to put them on
they rely on nose pads just like normal glasses, any vr headset that lets you use glasses is huge, and you lose out on fov from moving the optics further away from your eyes

[craggy harness]

a premium that costs nearly twice as much as the desktop hardware while being significantly lower performance on top

[tribal dirge]

LMAO

[tribal dirge]

its because they leaned so hard into windows on ARM

[gusty kiln]

and that flopped so far

[tribal dirge]

yeah

they tried to pull an apple

[gusty kiln]

google/android will probably emerge as the OS of choice for laptop arm

[ashen spindle]

and what the cpu in the 8gb surface model? for all we know it costs more but the cpu/gpu is faster

[gusty kiln]

even though no legacy apps

[wheat plume]

GeminiBooks

Intel's new Wildcat CPUs are gonna be strange
They are specifically targetting the Macbook Neo with these CPUs in their attempt to make competing laptops

3 to 5 cores

Focus on single core performance mainly

[nimble arch]

Just buy a MacBook Neo

[wheat plume]

legit yeh

[ashen spindle]

no they are not targeting the neo with that

[nimble arch]

It’s big 2026 and Apple make the best budget laptop

[wheat plume]

Im hella tempted to get Neo, that pink color is so so so so cuuuteeeee

[wheat plume]

pink Neo

[gusty kiln]

💀

[ashen spindle]

thats for business so extra things

[wheat plume]

yeh

[gusty kiln]

why is the business model the 1st link

[wheat plume]

also yes, thats the business model, business wont pay that much, they get no VAT and some extra discounts for bulk purchases

at my own work, we get a permanent 45% discount on laptops and docking stations

[leaden kiln]

that's usd so it probably isn't including tax

[gusty kiln]

still 200 more than the original picture

[wheat plume]

yeh 😅 doesnt change them being shit value

[gusty kiln]

wait those are all arm

wtf

[wheat plume]

yeh

[leaden kiln]

starting at 16GB RAM

[umbral heron]

$1500 paperweight

[tribal dirge]

my guess is that the base model is going to be some sort of core ultra 5 or a snapdragon X2 Plus

[wheat plume]

Nah..Put Linux on it

[gusty kiln]

where can I find the intel models?

[wheat plume]

Arm Linux is amazing

[ashen spindle]

surface 8 was announced, dont think its out yet

[gusty kiln]

oh ok

[umbral heron]

On Surface? And with Snapdragon X? Good luck

[tribal dirge]

depends, they also make intel variants

[gusty kiln]

my legion go is my laptop now

I just bring a keyboard + mouse

[craggy harness]

what kinda fucked up resolutions are those? O_o

[ashen spindle]

also idk where this notion comes from

none of the new sdxe2ee laptops even properly work with linux

[gusty kiln]

3:2 aspect ratio i think

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I know

[tribal dirge]

the Z2 extreme does seem pretty cool ngl

[gusty kiln]

nah mine is the original z1 extreme

[tribal dirge]

ah, the ROG Xbox Ally X does seem pretty cool as well

and it also has the Z2 extreme

[vapid ruin]

seems okay, like a higher tier macbook air

while being almost pro price

[gusty kiln]

I was really tempted to get the ally x, but then I saw the legion go on sale for $600 new

[tribal dirge]

yeah macbook pro 14 is 1799 iirc for 16gb of ram and 1tb of storage

[umbral heron]

Just buy Mac at this point
You won't have to deal with WoA

[nimble arch]

macOS is a good operating system

[vapid ruin]

bruh, okay even at 512 I prop would choose that over what's listed there lmao

[umbral heron]

Good is relative
Certainly better than Windows though

[tribal dirge]

esp since the surface starts at 256gb and not 1tb like macbook pro

[vapid ruin]

I prefer macos 26 over windows 10, it's soo much cleaner. The only bad thing is that I can't play games, but it's easily circumvented with a nintendo switch/ps5.

[tribal dirge]

or be like me and have a dedicated gaming pc

[leaden kiln]

I have a gaming pc but it’s just in the corner gathering dust with no games being played

[vapid ruin]

I did the same too, but I also have the switch 1 and quest 3 since the gaming pc is too heavy to bring around

At least I can play rhythm game on mac still since the main one I play using Java.

[umbral heron]

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/starbucks-scraps-ai-inventory-tool-165449189.html

[tribal dirge]

im surprised they didnt call up amazon to make that for them, they basically mastered that kind of thing

or heck even coca-cola

[wheat plume]

oh fuck off Google, I dont ever want to use Chrome .-.

[umbral heron]

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/

[wheat plume]

I do

[leaden kiln]

then block it

[wheat plume]

I never use Firefox without that extension

[umbral heron]

Right click > Block element

[wheat plume]

yeh, i did...still kinda fucked they push chrome on youtube homne page now ,.-.

[ashen spindle]

why is that

its very normal and okay for companies to cross promote their own products

[wheat plume]

yeh I know

[umbral heron]

It's very normal to block the ads too

[wheat plume]

im just sick of it

if I wanna use the products, I will, I dont want them to push it to me at all times

[tribal dirge]

welcome to the 21st century

[ashen spindle]

that assumes you know the product, advertising is primarily to target people who dont know about it or forgot etc.

[umbral heron]

That's not how it works in capitalism
You will have your opinion influenced by constant stream of ads

[ashen spindle]

they arent just putting ads out to an audience without is working

[marsh glade]

Certainly never had any antitrust lawsuits about that, definitely couldn't be Microslop

[ashen spindle]

thats slightly different than just cross promotion

[leaden kiln]

it’s more fucked up that they change my preference settings back every month

[wheat plume]

Is there an app on macOS to make isolate web apps with Firefox?
Safari does it by default out of the box but Safari is not great for some sites

[leaden kiln]

PWAs?

ff doesn’t even support that right

[wheat plume]

there is an app I use on Linux that makes it support it

Its the one from Linux Mint that got ported to Fedora, but its very reliable

https://github.com/linuxmint/webapp-manager

this scans for browsers you have installed and lets you pick what one you want to use for your PWA

[umbral heron]

There's addon for FF, works pretty well with it

[leaden kiln]

last time I wanted pwas on ff I did it by stealing someone’s nix code for cobbling it together with profiles, custom css, and making a new application entry for that

[wheat plume]

thats probably what the Web App Manager does xd

[pale sigil]

uh Windows?

[wheat plume]

My friend had to stop using her wired headphones on her macbook air, cause anytime shes using the wired headphones while the laptop is charging, there is intereference noises in the headphones

[gusty kiln]

a dong can prob fix it

[wheat plume]

I do like that Apple is build to order, at least for the laptops anyway
Which is something I should have figured out earlier cause you cant possibly have all configurations of every laptop in stock at once....

[vapid ruin]

prop need a charger that's grounded

happens to one of my iem too. I just use my headphone or unplug

[wheat plume]

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/steam-controller-puck-charger-nearly-catches-fire-after-contact-with-pixel-watch-3-sparks-fly-after-metal-wristband-magnetizes-to-pucks-pogo-pins

[tribal dirge]

Oh yeah if the charging brick that you plug it into is stupid then that can happen

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/7VwEOyAcvJM

Ofc this dude is a furry

Why are all devs furrys now

[analog sinew]

always have been

[tribal dirge]

Bro also runs a personal finance YouTube channel

[tribal dirge]

Maybe I'm the rare exception to that

[nimble arch]

I know plenty of devs that aren’t a furry.

[tribal dirge]

This tbh

[gritty escarp]

quick question i have the wooting 60he+ v2 is it normal that the keys g anf h sound different than the other keys

[quick crow]

How bad does the keyboard overload the usb power planes, how does it affect the system at 8000hz (not the cpu)? I read using usb 3,0, 3.2 is a big no

Any fix in the next firmware addressing the way it makes the system into a loop when you want the a total shutdown?

[analog sinew]

what

none of that made any sense

[quick crow]

Try it by yourself

[analog sinew]

the keyboard doesnt overload anything. that'd be really bad.

how would it effect the system other than the cpu?

it uses usb 2.0.spec. going above that makes no diff

that last issue sounds like your windows bugging not the kbds fault

[quick crow]

At 8000hz it doesn’t act like a normal keyboard and windows/drivers don’t manage it well

[ashen spindle]

uh yes it does?

[analog sinew]

thats an issue specific to you then. try different ports, cables or turn down rgb brightness

[quick crow]

the issue isn’t bandwidth, it’s interrupt frequency and how Windows power management handles a device that’s hammering USB interrupts 8000 times per second during shutdown sequences

[ashen spindle]

is this something you are experiencing

or is this something you just read somewhere

because I don't quite understand what the issue is

[lyric hatch]

Issue they are having I've already advised to make a post in #1019755933959733258

Sounds most likely related to wake on USB and they potentially have a key that is actuating without them knowing.

[reef patrol]

Huh? Hammering? 8khz is baked into usb 2.0 which is decades old.

[hardy cargo]

do they have a keyboard that feels like the wooting uwu? i love how the uwu feels insanely alot

[empty wren]

there is the two he, 80HE, and 60HE skus

perhaps the 80HE though, since it is rigidly fixed in plastic like the uwuting

[hardy cargo]

sweet, ill check it out thank you a bunch

goated name too btw

have a good night or day

[empty wren]

evening

[hardy cargo]

apolocheese

[quick crow]

But “baked into USB 2.0 which is decades old” doesn’t mean every motherboard’s usb controller implements it cleanly, and windows power management wasn’t designed with a keyboard sending 8000 interrupts per second in mind, it treats it as an unusual device behaving abnormally during shutdown/sleep transitions, which is why the boot loop happen when I hold shift and shut down the system

[reef patrol]

Yes. Yes it does. Your issue is a unique one, not a base consequence of 8khz polling.

You have a support thread. I suggest you seek help there or reach out to customer support.

[quick crow]

It’s only when I hold shift to turn off the pc, with another keyboard, it doesn’t happen

[ashen spindle]

and it works fine for 99.9% of the other wooting users so clearly its not the keyboards fault

or any other brands that also support 8k polling

[old marlin]

usb 3.0 has it's headroom for polling in the MHz range btw

If your controller can't handle a measely 8000Hz then it would be severly out of spec

Not to mention that a keyboard hardly does any inputs (and doesn't do interrupts on usb 2.0 at all)

[thick elk]

But hey if it makes you feel any better can always adjust it. It's not like having an 8k polling rate matters much most the time anyway.

[lunar elm]

It actually does, your mouse dies way faster

https://klipy.com/gifs/arknights-texas-2

[drifting orchid]

what mouse is worth getting that is good for games like cs2

i was thinking about the logitech superstrike since it has rapid trigger and 8000hz polling rate

[lethal maple]

Ive heard good things about hte L7 Pro

[rough osprey]

whichever mouse u like

[lethal maple]

very lightweight and cheap

8k polling as well if that matters

[pastel galleon]

I heard things about the scroll wheels failing on those mice and also how the side buttons are somewhat mushy

also I don't think you need 8k polling on a mouse sensor for CS2, or that it properly supports it

I can never really comment on shape since it's 100% on personal preference and the type of grip used

I just use fingertip for FPS, and use my pathfinder for every other game and desktop work

[fluid gazelle]

Does anyone have good headset recommendations? budget up to €500, needs to have decent mic, closed back, will be used mostly for meetings (has to be clear) and some gaming

Preferably wireless if possible

[reef patrol]

#🌐│pc_gear

[smoky parrot]

So you can poop during work calls

[fluid gazelle]

Mb

[reef patrol]

Shoo I said. To your containment channel

[fervent valley]

Alot of mice have same specs its just whetther the shape is for you

Its not a bad mouse just expensive

The unique thing is the rapid trigger you dont need it but it is really cool

[umbral heron]

Ah, shit

[nimble arch]

[umbral heron]

I wonder if I should also go for new NAS at this point
this one is really close to dying

[nimble arch]

Yes

Consume

[halcyon moss]

What do you have now?

[umbral heron]

I have TS-233 and I'm eyeing TS-264, it has Celeron N5095 so I could put Jellyfin on it as well

Plus M.2 ssd slot, I have the 256G SSD from old laptop, could put it there for OS and apps

[halcyon moss]

Qnap?

[umbral heron]

[halcyon moss]

I should put a small ssd in my synology Nas, then I can also use it for vms and docker. Now it would keep the disks spinning

[umbral heron]

I just wonder if I should go for 2 bay or 4 bay, it's like 200€ difference though

[halcyon moss]

Do you need it?

[umbral heron]

Not now, Imma just get another Ironwolf 8T, make a JBOD volume on both and 16T will last me for a while

Oh well, it'll have to wait for a month anyway

[sage heart]

The weight is imbalanced

Its a cool feature but i returned it after two weeks

I outperform it with other mice because of the weight and shape

Also ghub is computer cancer, onboard memory manager is inconsisyent, performance varies with it, and the weight imbalance is awful

Finalmouse is dropping adjustable trigger with way more adjustable points, no haptics, but you get a click

I can play top 500 in multiple games, place in aimlabs, but my performance in all games drops the second i raise polling from 1000hz, and I have every flagship mouse as a collector

I dont get it

I wish higher polling improved my performance, it does the opposite even tho it should in every way

Same dpi, same sens… raise polling from 1000hz…

Boom my accuracy immediately goes down

I have an enthusiast pc and top of the line components

Frames and 1% lows dont perform worse in any human noticeable way

and yet i play worse at 2000-8000hz polling

If anyone knows the secret please share

[marsh glade]

Perhaps your frame rate drops because of your CPU not being able to handle 8k

That's not a thing for keyboards, but it definitely is for mice

[halcyon moss]

i should do this for my standing desk

[vapid ruin]

I would put another set of band just in case. That's looks too scary

[rain charm]

what if one of them snaps?

[rough osprey]

these bands snapping?

from a lil pc?

[distant tapir]

A PC is nowhere near heavy enough to make that snap

[rain charm]

ohh okay still wouldn’t trust ma whole life savings hanging on a thread like that

[halcyon moss]

whole life? a pc?

ppl drag a laptop around daily.

[rain charm]

genz is an experience but fine strap away, tho I wouldn’t trust it personally

[fair gull]

actually what im planning to do as well

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/6w1HtC04lgQ

oooo I need this, its so cool and pretty

[reef patrol]

Imagine wanting a stable system, instead of playing roulette every week.

[wheat plume]

ive been using stock Fedora for months now xd

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAS9qZG0zTs

[vapid ruin]

hmm, my windows 10 broke, Looks like I'm reinstalling

At least I managed to back up most of my sheet (most of em are on separate SSD)

[nimble arch]

Time to go to Windows 11

[vapid ruin]

This is what it shows me before it go broke

[bleak merlin]

[vapid ruin]

I mean, I don't need the new stuff on windows 11, I mostly just use my pc to play rhythm game so windows 10 being the alright option

[fair gull]

finally

the wireview pro 2 didnt fit my 4090

[cerulean arch]

anything but a video about Ampinel lol

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/dZK6Je_RYvA

Can he ever stop winning?!

[bright briar]

no he's irl tony stark

soon he will create a suit and be called Valve Man

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean he cant do a independent review on something he is a direct competitor too.

[cerulean arch]

he did on rog equalizer. thats only his excuse because he knows ampinel makes wvp2 obsolete

[vagrant pagoda]

the equalizer isnt a competitor

[cerulean arch]

yes its marketed as a 12v2x6 solution

while it makes the issue worse, he even talked about conflict of interest in the video

[vagrant pagoda]

wireview is a monitor, equailizer isnt

[cerulean arch]

yes i understand

but it targets 12v2x6

[vagrant pagoda]

so is a stock cable

dosent mean its a competitor

[cerulean arch]

not directly no

but to not knowledgable people they put it in the same category

[vagrant pagoda]

well Roman is a knowledgable person, hence why he knows its not a competitor, and made a video.

[fair gull]

wasnt that the cable he tested that was worse than a normal cable

[vagrant pagoda]

also the big issue with ampinel is you cant oc

[fair gull]

also it fits even less cards than the wireview doesnt it

not to mention it has none of the overcurrent warning beeping or shutoff functions

i dont think it has a software readout in os either

oh no i see they added most of that

[iron wave]

My Plex server died. :-(

I need to figure out what platform to buy to replace it. It was a i7-3770K.

[cerulean arch]

he literally said in the video himself that he has a hard time making a video about it because of conflict of interest concerns.

[vagrant pagoda]

why no just fix?

[cerulean arch]

like i am saying, to the average consumer it doesnt matter if its wireview, some asus cable or msi psu, it all adresses 12v2x6 issues

[vagrant pagoda]

ddr3 stuff is still cheap

[cerulean arch]

hence the conflict of interest

but in my opinion roman is just scared to tell the public wireview is worthless when ampinel exists

[iron wave]

Wouldn't the motherboard be quite expensive at this point because it's old?

[cerulean arch]

try to find a used one, should be doable

[iron wave]

I also don't know that it's only the motherboard but that seems most likely.

Also, if I have to take everything out anyway, I kind of want to just use a better build.

[cerulean arch]

also, when the new rog psu releases, it WILL have current monitoring and shutoff

and equalizer is kinda part of that

[vagrant pagoda]

and i doubt he will review it, as he not only makes a direct compeitor, but one of his longest term sponsors for both XOC and advertising is seasonic.

[surreal thorn]

what does ampinel do

oh its a wireview but it changes current

[fair gull]

it tries to actually balance it yeah

[fair gull]

except the cable didnt

[fair gull]

at least in my opinion rn ampinel is worthless just like the old 2 wireview gens

[wheat plume]

Telegram APK from APKPure is a spyware

On analyzing the APK with jadx, it contains a class DataCollector, which does not exist in the .apk file downloaded from the official Telegram website.

This class collects a lot of your data, including:

• Your photos, videos, and files
• Your contacts
• Your messages
• Your GPS Coordinates
• Your SIM card information
• Your Telegram profile

This data is monitored and uploaded continuously. All the data is uploaded to a server with IP Address 38.190.225.166

[umbral heron]

Hong Kong?

[wheat plume]

Apparently so

[ashen spindle]

why tf would you use a third party store for a messenger app

[wheat plume]

No idea

[umbral heron]

Some people don't want to use Google Play Services
The only thing here is that... Telegram provides their own official apk to download

[wheat plume]

And you can disable play services in the app too

[tribal dirge]

it scares me when a laptop needs a 450W charger LMAO

[sage heart]

@ashen spindle check these even tighter timings:

Since last test came back good at 24 hour mt5, 100 runs of linpack and y-crunch i disabled gdm and set nitro to 1/2/0, tightened further and its blazing fast now

[ashen spindle]

noice

im currently running jedec 4800 because im so hardcore cpu limited in XIV it changes nothing and deadlock crashes my gpu driver with any sort of oc lol

[sage heart]

Intel? Ddr4

?

[ashen spindle]

oh no on a 9800x3d

[sage heart]

Sorry

[ashen spindle]

having 300+ players active on one boss does things to the cpu like nothing else lmao

[sage heart]

I forgot what jedec meant i had to look it up

You cant even run expo?

Ahh wow?

[ashen spindle]

expo isnt stable for deadlock lmao

FF14

and I get 0 gains there from expo so im not bothering

[sage heart]

Man that mmo has really stood on its own

I am surprised at how its still going, ya for an mmo 1% lows or 0.1% isnt as impactful for you as raw cpu i bet

Its more important for fps and ow2/apex/aimlabs/warzone are so lightweight compared to mmo lag fests in open world. I was a wow mmo guy for a long time.

My old guild lions share placed 3rd in the first arathi basin tournament when wow classic came out. I was playing on a laptop deployed to japan

[ashen spindle]

well its more that I go from >144 in normal places and overworld hunts <60 because 300 people hitting on one mob for 10 second isnt what the game is optimized for xD

[sage heart]

Classic wow was nuts when open world bosses launched, we’d have like 1000 players and 20 guilds fighting for world bosses

[ashen spindle]

and otherwise its a 2.5global cooldown game so having some 1% that goes below 100 really isnt doing much

[sage heart]

My laptop would sound like a jet engine during a server first world boss fight trying to kill the horde and the world boss at the same time 🤣🤣

[cerulean arch]

Why would ampinel be worthless?

Its literally the only working solution currently that actually lets you sleep in peace

Aquasuite is goated on top of that

[cerulean arch]

Yes but the name alone implies it does, successfully or not the marketing is there you know what i mean?

[sage heart]

I cant believe how demanding ff14 is that with a 9800x3d your minimum in normal places is like >144

That to me is pretty wild, you must be running max settings?

[ashen spindle]

oh I just have vsync on lol

I only have 144hz

[cerulean arch]

Lol

[ashen spindle]

but yes I'm running 3440x1440 at max settings

[sage heart]

Makes sense

Especially with 4k and max

What expo speed is your ram rated for?

[cerulean arch]

This is almost criminal level of marketing lol

[ashen spindle]

uhh its a kit of CMK48GX5M2E6000C36

[sage heart]

Your use case makes me feel like higher ram bandwidth would make performance in general feel better

Have you tried jedec timings but increased memory bandwidth?

[cerulean arch]

Framestimes for sure

[sage heart]

Yeah 4800 with those texture sizes must be brutal

[ashen spindle]

I mena with default expo timings at 6000 it was the same and I did tighten the timings a bit but it didnt really do anything

[cerulean arch]

Which timings exactly?

[ashen spindle]

idk its been like 2 years or so

went through the buildzoid timings video and worked with that

[cerulean arch]

Did you make sure they were actually applied?

[ashen spindle]

its impossible to test the scenario in a repeatable way so unless theres big changes I cant tell if anything changed for the game even

oh yeah it worked, I saw the gains in 3dmark or whatever else

[cerulean arch]

Because its possible that if its unstable in mem training it changes timings to stable without bsod so you dont actually notice it dropped them without checking

[tribal dirge]

rip lmao

[ashen spindle]

but you have to understand, the game is focused on 8 man raid content, big alliance fights are 24 people, the massive pvp thigns are 3 teams of 24 earch

and the quick overworld farms that hit a mob for 10 seconds then its dead is at peak times 400-500 people so they cant even all zone in on time lol

[cerulean arch]

Yeah rip cpu load lol

[surreal thorn]

i did not know memory overclocking is this complicated

[cerulean arch]

Its the most complicated by far

Or rather lets say the most time consuming

[sage heart]

Yeah but we are thinking that with all that said, in those 300 man moments and high quality textures from abilities that memory bw should help

At the very least but

[cerulean arch]

Because i still have to look up timings because i keep forgetting what does what, and at the end no one is ocing by knowing what affects what, you just bruteforce lowest timings that are stable basically and mem stability is a pain to test constantly

[tribal dirge]

its deffo very complicated because computer memory is very sensitive to changes in its parameters.

[ashen spindle]

oh I have non-party effects disabled hell I even have party effects on minimum already

[sage heart]

If you crash you crash and if 4800 keeps you pumping CDs then thats what ya gotta do

[cerulean arch]

Yeah. You want higher mclk? Raise soc voltage. Oh now your flck is unstable because it gets less stable with more soc. Bullshit like that

[sage heart]

Yeah its like walking a tripwire

[cerulean arch]

Still kinda fun

[tribal dirge]

there are also a whole bunch of other timings that are hidden from the user and are set by the manufacturer

[cerulean arch]

If i had more time i would do it more but man sometimes you just wanna game and call it

[ashen spindle]

maybe when I upgrade to zen6 I'll spend some more time on it, since that will need new memory anyway

but the current setup just isnt worth it to spend my time on it

[cerulean arch]

Like which?

In the end what we cant access in bios doesnt really matter to us

[tribal dirge]

thats fair

[cerulean arch]

Im so interested in zen 6 mem behaviour tbh

[tribal dirge]

not like you'd need to touch internal memory chip register timings anyways

[sage heart]

For me its a blast, for example we had a disagreement about trefi the other night (water under bridge) but in my case maxing this setting does reduce latency but introduces instability elsewhere, alternatively though by not maximg trefi im able to tighten other timings and subtimings in a way that i got way better read/write/copy and better latency while maintaining a stable 1:1 mclk/uclk at an fclk of 2200

Those acronyms mean little to most but thats an example

[unkempt lake]

rip 1080 ti users

[tribal dirge]

also because many of the user accessible timings are limited by these internal timings anyways

[unkempt lake]

rest in pepperoni

[sage heart]

The 1080TI had its time

Hahahahaha

[unkempt lake]

they were complaining that the game was widely unstable

devs be like we aint dealing with that shit

[sage heart]

Good

[unkempt lake]

at the same time it is old af

time to let go

[sage heart]

Im tired of the 1080TI being a benchmark of minimum performance

Its mid 2026 for christs sake

[umbral heron]

If it has good enough performance and it works then why not

[sage heart]

I bought the 1080TI when destiny 2 and fortnite launched back in like 2017

Its nearly 10 years old

[ashen spindle]

pascal is just lacking too many features

[unkempt lake]

missing a lot of features like dx12u

its just not worth it for devs to go around shit for it anymore

[umbral heron]

Ah, makes sense then

[sage heart]

1080TI days as the minimum standard is time to end

[tribal dirge]

yeah, its getting too old

newer graphics apis dont support it

[sage heart]

Dont get me wrong, it was the best price to performance ratio gpu nvidia ever launched

So i get the nostalgia

But nvidia hasnt budged and made a generational leap that big since the 1080TI and still reined supreme in the gpu market, nvidia is not budging on that ever again since they own AI

[umbral heron]

Nah, if it did support DX12U then why would you want to change it
If it gives you performance that you are happy with and it's still working? Upgrade for the sake of upgrade?

[ashen spindle]

https://vkguide.dev/docs/new_chapter_3/mesh_buffers/ if you want an example feature that pascal doesnt supprot

[unkempt lake]

yep that too

its just difficult for devs to justify spending time and money

to support something that doesnt support most of those features

[ashen spindle]

10 series is essentially on a similar feature level as ps4, which doesnt make sense to support with new games a year before ps6 comes out

[unkempt lake]

that frankly, not a lot of people use

[cerulean arch]

What do you cool your ram with? Dedicated ram fan or water? Trefi is notorious for introducing power induced stability because dimms get way hotter with max trefi

Ram oc is just more fun when you dont worry about temps at all, honestly

You take a whole factor out of the equation and now just worry about voltages you can daily drive and then stable timings and clocks

[sage heart]

The Thermalright MC-3, sec

[umbral heron]

With CPU heatsink

[fair gull]

it doesnt fit my gpu or tons others. the new wire wireview pro 2 is the only one that would currently fit basically any gpu

[sage heart]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the space port

[cerulean arch]

Specific mobo compatability?

[sage heart]

Its compatable with all mobos and ram

It clips on

[cerulean arch]

Thats good

I didnt know about it

I just went water because fuck it

[sage heart]

I also bought these, doesnt give me temps like the thermalright, BUT i rarely run the temp checker since the software that reports temp on the cooler is a resource hog

The white cooler ^ i havent gotten yet

Its another clip on cooling solution

[cerulean arch]

Nice

When at some point i redo the loop i wanna at liquidhaus blkv2 and change loop order to ram -> cpu -> gpu i think

But space will make that extremely challenging

[cerulean arch]

Currently its gpu cpu ram so kinda the worst order, im pumping almost 700W into the ram waterblock lol

[sage heart]

Hmmm

Just noticed something

[jaunty rose]

Yo, what if GPU’s could bark

[umbral heron]

[sage heart]

The clip on wasnt effective god im such a nerd

[tribal dirge]

What's clearance?

[sage heart]

Im glad you asked @cerulean arch my clip over the ram wasnt good on the upper half

[tribal dirge]

But why tho, I can understand the need for a cooler on PCIe gen 5 SSDs, but not for Ram lmao

[sage heart]

With clip ons I forgot the ram locks for empty dim slots must be in place

[sage heart]

You actually need it more

[tribal dirge]

I guess it depends on the type of ram

[sage heart]

And it provides a huge uplift in any overclocking

And theyre cheap

[tribal dirge]

Oh wack

[sage heart]

In any ram overclocking

To be specific

[ashen spindle]

buildzoid has a fun video of him taking a hairdryer to a completely stable ram OC and within seconds the system spat out tons of errors lol

[sage heart]

See the difference fip

[cerulean arch]

Because ram is very temp sensitive and some timings get unstable starting at even 50C

[sage heart]

Thanks

[cerulean arch]

My ram is now ~5C above coolant, so like 35C max at 720W summer

[umbral heron]

Emmm... yes

[sage heart]

That actually was a big help, fuck looks like i may have to overclock some more today

[tribal dirge]

I wonder what's happening to the timings Internally to cause that

[cerulean arch]

More heat = more voltage drop off = less voltage for dimm

[tribal dirge]

Not the user accessible ones but the chip level timings for each memory bank.

[ashen spindle]

due to the voltage drops you just dont have a stable response anymore, so the timings either dont work, are to tight or anythign like that, its basically as if you tried running the same timings at not enough voltage

[tribal dirge]

Right but I'm curious as to how that can cause timings to change internally which would cause higher level timings to change/not work.

The chip has to change something to keep itself stable in the event of temperature fluctuations

[cerulean arch]

Like i said all timings depend on specific voltages and raising temps means less voltage gets supplied because more is lost to heat because higher heat = higher resistance = more voltage drop off and energy converted to heat before reaching voltage controller

[sage heart]

Ill freaking laugh if fixing my ram cooler destabilizes my oc

[ashen spindle]

well thankfully it almost never goes worse when its cooler lmao

[sage heart]

And then cry

[cerulean arch]

Never for ram

Not unless you go like 20/15C or lower

At some point yes it will get worse

Now vram for example does like being warm

Famous 4090 cold vram perf losses

[ashen spindle]

well for example, if you have timings tight enough that the refresh happens barely before the charge is lot in a cell, and then you increase how fast the cell loses the charge, you break everything by heat that way

[tribal dirge]

I know the effects temperature has on semiconductors, but I'm more curious as to how that can change memory bank timings internally on each memory chip because internally they have to change to prevent bigger issues due to voltage drift induced by temperature changes.

[cerulean arch]

They dont change and you just get bsod lol

All of that is decided in mem training

[ashen spindle]

if you tighten timings to set boundaries that cant be met anymore, it crashes

[cerulean arch]

So when your ram heats up you just crash

[sage heart]

Ill give a better view of it all when my studio workshop game room renovations finish and im setup

[tribal dirge]

Ah

[sage heart]

Right now its a mess in here

Thats my streaming pc

Thats why it has a 9950x versus a 9950x3d. I dont have a screenshot of 3200/3200/2200 because i have builders working on my 9950x3d gaming pc build with my apex mb

I use a local pro builder, i have patience in tuning and overclocking

Not routing wires and making things pretty

OMG FIP

YOU ASKING ABOUT MY RAM COOLER DROPPED RAM TEMP BY 9 DEGREES

because I fixed a poor clip

I was at 45C

[cerulean arch]

Lol my vram oc did go unstable when i put a waterblock on my 4090 because it was too cold, i even downgraded pads but with mora my coolant is just too close to ambient

[sage heart]

I can vouch for thermalrights mc-3

Ill likely return this ram cooler i just got and pickup another

[cerulean arch]

Lol

[cerulean arch]

For a gpu?

[sage heart]

36C with my pc overclocks is pretty good

[cerulean arch]

Like i said my ram is on a waterblock i dont go above 33C max

[sage heart]

Thermalright mc-3 is my ram cooler

[sage heart]

Your nuts, i dont even ram waterblock kits

[cerulean arch]

Yeah under 40 you dont worry about temps really

[sage heart]

Mine costs 30 bucks tho

And clips on

And user error like in my situation doesnt spill water 🤣

[cerulean arch]

Lol

I saw online about people claiming removing ram heatsinks is so hard and so many people ripping chips

[sage heart]

Now i can hit a stable trefi of 65535

[cerulean arch]

So i had to try because that couldnt be right

[sage heart]

Probably

[cerulean arch]

And its easy

[cerulean arch]

You should, yea

And ram waterblock isnt expensive especially when the loop is already set up

1k ram under water now lol

[tribal dirge]

I wonder if you put solid copper heatsinks on the ram modules

[sage heart]

Imma keep fans on this one because setting my own closed loop system gave me anxiety for tge 2 years i had the build

[cerulean arch]

Idk if you do it right i dont see a reason to be afraid

[sage heart]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-13181381072145564210

It didnt but you know

[cerulean arch]

I would never let someone else build on my rig tbh, i know no one can do it as well as myself, i just couldnt trust someone to do it

I see so much user error online

[tribal dirge]

Prebuilts

[cerulean arch]

Of 'pros' and its just horrible so often lol

[cerulean arch]

Cyberpower for the win

GN just reviewed one that was literally dead on arrival lol

Gpu not even slotted

[sage heart]

I know how to build really effective but not beautiful setups, so I can ensure my builder is routing and wiring correctly. I pay the builder for making it aesthetic while keeping efficiency high

[surreal thorn]

watercooling is so cool but probably a pain in the ass

[cerulean arch]

You can make your life easy

[sage heart]

It was me who added the poor clip on

Not my builder

[cerulean arch]

For example i can drain my system without moving it with my pressure tester and an extra inlet valve

[lethal maple]

hard tubbing looks sick but I would never mess around with it

air cooling gets the job done

[sage heart]

I have done it a lot too, i just missed a proper clip

[surreal thorn]

It does but watercooling just looks superior

[cerulean arch]

Low drain does maybe 2/3 of the coolant and with pressure i can even drain the vertical gpu block

[sage heart]

I just thought this ram was running hot at 45-48C

[tribal dirge]

Yeah it's hilarious

[umbral heron]

Big Aluminium Block

[cerulean arch]

Depends what the job is. My build is fully inaudible (i use HE1000se, i hear everything so silence is important) while having full OC.

No fan curves, nothing

[lethal maple]

Is superior too in case of noise as I understand it, I've looked into transfering my build into a SFF case and the only real options for efficent cooling that isnt a noise machine is basically an AIO

otherwise I'd be looking at something like a Noctua low profile running at 80% flat

[surreal thorn]

Very nice aluminum block

[cerulean arch]

Yeah SFF is, imo, only interesting with custom loop and external rad (in another room even, depending)

[lethal maple]

litearlly putting car cooling into a computer, love it

[umbral heron]

Eh, it works, and doesn't bother me with my open-backs so potato potato

[lethal maple]

idk, im looking at a fractal terra or lian li a4

my nzxt case is just too damn big

[sage heart]

Moment of truth

[tribal dirge]

Some SFF cases look clean like the Fractal Ridge

[cerulean arch]

Yep, look at this lol

[lethal maple]

jesus dude, what are you running

[surreal thorn]

idek what case to get

itrs what ive been struggling to choose

[lethal maple]

matx -> Lian li A3 is great

[tribal dirge]

External rad smart

[cerulean arch]

A lot of sff look clean imo but on air you they juat run very hot or very loud or both

[lethal maple]

atx is pointless for most folks

so I'd avoid that form factor

[cerulean arch]

And triple 360 internal

[tribal dirge]

Even better if you have it exhaust to the outside

[cerulean arch]

Thats how you get these idles without delidding lol

[lethal maple]

yea, SFF is AIO or you need to run an efficent cpu like a 9700x locked at the 60watts tdp

[cerulean arch]

Or just a different room

[tribal dirge]

For me at least a logical place to direct the exhaust is out a window lmao

[surreal thorn]

I like big computer

[cerulean arch]

Outside is kinda difficult with humidity, i want low risk low maintenance not introduce more factors

[lethal maple]

jeez lmao, I've never gotten that low of a temp

[cerulean arch]

Yes in theory for sure

[lethal maple]

sure but Matx is often cheaper as well

[tribal dirge]

Humidity shouldn't be a huge issue since it's constantly pushing air outside rather than inside

[surreal thorn]

Aquacomputer products are so cool

[cerulean arch]

Condensation does become a problem

[cerulean arch]

Aquacomputer is goated

Aquasuite is literally the best software for hardware control i have used, ever

[tribal dirge]

then thats an indoor humidity problem and not an outdoor one?

[cerulean arch]

And its not even close. Automation at its finest too

[lethal maple]

gng, should I bite the bullet and buy a mini itx case, mobo, PSU and a AIO. My NZXT H3 flow is just massive lmao and I have a hard time finding space

[tribal dirge]

you're not intaking air from the outside at all

[halcyon moss]

At that point just hook it up directly to an aircon

[surreal thorn]

i rly like their radiators

sorry not radiators

reservoirs

[sage heart]

43C with Trefi 65535, but lower still than at 43690 when i had the incorrect clip

[cerulean arch]

See how much it went up

Thats why max trefi is so hard to run stable

I run 33C max trefi 😄

[cerulean arch]

No the issue is condensation

[sage heart]

Thats why i couldnt run max trefi with those other timings but if i can pull these timings with max trefi… my guy…

[cerulean arch]

At some point you turn your pc off i assume

[sage heart]

Of course but during stress testing i keep it on same boot

[tribal dirge]

which is a direct byproduct of humidity, in which the outside air doesnt influence because its not intaking outside air.

[sage heart]

I like to ensure stability under the worst conditions

24+ hour stresses

[cerulean arch]

Did you try 3100mclk 2066 flck for 2/3 match? Its quite a latency boost

[cerulean arch]

Thats wrong because if you exhaust air and intake no outside air, you would create a vacuum lol

You immediately intakr outside air by default because of exhausting even if not on purpose

[tribal dirge]

so the issue then becomes humidity control of your indoor environment and not necessarily the fault of the system itself.

[cerulean arch]

Its like having too much exhaust on a case, you cant build up pressure because no pc case is airtight so it just pulls the difference between all cravices and dusts up your pc

[tribal dirge]

because if your indoor environment is humid then no matter how you set up your radiator it will have condensation

[cerulean arch]

Temp and humidity control i guess yes but the issue is the discrepency between outside and inside

[sage heart]

Hmm my current measured interrupt to dpc latency is higher at max trefi

[cerulean arch]

If its always the same it wouldnt matter

[tribal dirge]

what?

no there is a reason why dehumidifiers exist for indoor spaces

[cerulean arch]

If inside/outside had no delta you would have no condensation

Is what i mean

[sage heart]

My gaming office keeps a humidity of 40% or less and super cold, i like it cold

[cerulean arch]

Doesnt matter, look up some external rad exhaust builds, condensation is your main enemy and its not a fight i wanna fight personally lol

In practice its a lot of work to exhaust outside

And its cold in germany most of the time, i like to heat my room a little

Dont need to use the heater in winter

[sage heart]

Max trefi raises latency for me :/

[cerulean arch]

Hm

Well trefi is the voltage refresh interval

[sage heart]

I may drop trefi again and try pushing mt/s

[tribal dirge]

hmm

[cerulean arch]

But latency is not everything

Unless you chase synthetic of course

Im personally more for real gains outside benches

[pale sigil]

Just had a mini panic attack, Plex just wouldn't play content, saying it couldn't be found which usually means a HDD isn't working.

And it's super hot today....

It was just a client issue

[sage heart]

@cerulean arch nevermind it was the stupid ddr5 software for the ram cooling kit

That software is so fing stupid

[cerulean arch]

It was fucking your latency?

Uninstall it, why do you need it anyway?

[sage heart]

Yeah its such a resource hog

I only bring it up to check ddr5 temps

[cerulean arch]

Use HWinfo 64

I pull data from hwinfo for my Aquasuite overlay

[umbral heron]

Your didn't, but mine has today showed me a beautiful SMART warning
Gotta buy new 8TB ffs

[sage heart]

And the temp monitor on the ram kit only works if the software is up

[cerulean arch]

Lol fuck that shit

[sage heart]

43690 trefi vs max trefi

I think ill test around with this but i may drop trefi again and push 3100/3100/2200 instead

[pale sigil]

I'd rather just stop running my server than buy drives atm honestly

[umbral heron]

Seeding must continue

[sage heart]

Yeah its total garbage, i just pop it on right when i end a stress test to see where ram temps are at

Then close it

[cerulean arch]

be advised aida latency bench is kinda poopoo

[sage heart]

Agreed

Its just easier to compare

[cerulean arch]

yea

[sage heart]

Hard to show latency mon improvements

I wish i had some stock expo speeds to show everyone the difference to see how big it is versus these settings

Ram and infinity fabric tuning is so under rated

[steady sail]

https://overclock3d.net/news/software/rocket-league-confirms-unreal-engine-6-upgrade/

[surreal thorn]

UE6 already?

[sage heart]

Feels like just yesterday i was playing in unreal tournament lans

Now we are on UE6

Where does the time go

@cerulean arch this is one of my ups’

[cerulean arch]

i dont use a UPS

we dont even have brownouts here

literally one of the best electrical grids in the world so i wont waste a thought on it

[sage heart]

I have dedicated electric circuits in my office, i have like 6

Where the hell do you live?

[tribal dirge]

I mean its not going to be for a bit, iirc its still closed beta

[sage heart]

I live on the 34th floor of a high rise in honolulu, there is a lot of space between me and the ground

[tribal dirge]

although im surprised its not fortnite

[surreal thorn]

still tbf ue4 was 2014

[cerulean arch]

German electrical grid is goated

[fair gull]

yeah in germany you just get a blackout when the local transformer station fails

so much better

although its so rare that a ups isnt really worth it imo

[cerulean arch]

so never

its not rare

it literally didnt happen in my lifetime yet

astronomically rare

and brownouts are never necessary either

would be a valid reason for ups too

[fair gull]

ive had multiple blackouts during my lifetime in germany

[cerulean arch]

where are you from?

[fair gull]

germany

[cerulean arch]

i guess it can happen in the east or unfortunate circumstances

what part lol

[fair gull]

it can happen anywhere lol. if the local trafo station blows its blown

its just not common in the slightest thanks to regular maintenance

[fair gull]

both east and west germany

[cerulean arch]

yeah but that doesnt just happen

ive never had it happen

[fair gull]

yes

its not like an entire city or region is down just a few streets usually or a smaller village

and usually for half an hour to am hour most id say

ive seen it a whopping 3 times during my 27years in germany

[rough osprey]

have a house with a battery

[fair gull]

actually wonder how common brownouts are accross all of europe cause a lot of european electrical grids are interconnected

[rough osprey]

although i only had those blackouts as a small kid maybe

[fair gull]

there was years between the ones i experienced as well

nothing a ups would be sensible for given the batteries degrade in them as well

[rough osprey]

ye

[cerulean arch]

brownouts are not induced on international level

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle razor lake 18A-P

https://alexintel.substack.com/p/the-biggest-leak-in-intels-client?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=718r93&triedRedirect=true

[lapis plaza]

What is brownout? Reming me of something from the toilet

[ashen spindle]

this better not be a mlid video made into an article gain

[fickle ore]

nono

[fair gull]

i meant in the sense that given the big grid how common it even is that a local area runs into a scenario to either induce a brownout or naturally experience one

[lapis plaza]

What is the difference between blackout and brownout?

[fair gull]

brownouts are basically that the demand gets so high on the grid that the voltage drops

[ashen spindle]

oh god its that clueless twitter guy making a substack based on an mlid video, no thanks

[fair gull]

so its not no electricity but its not all electricity

[cerulean arch]

brownouts are purposefully induced

[fair gull]

not always actually

[cerulean arch]

true

[rough osprey]

lets build datacenters to have more

[fair gull]

but yeah im just curious since given the european grid there shouldnt be many times you could even run into over demand where a company forcibly induces a brownout

they should always be able to quite quickly get more electricity from somewhere

[lapis plaza]

During a cold winter?

[fair gull]

this isnt the us

[fickle ore]

hello 2022, having to sell electricity to german in peak -30 c winter :/

1 eur kw/h

they introduced rolling blackouts here in january

glad we are over that

[fair gull]

sounds like the locals werent willing to pay as much lol

[fickle ore]

2020-2026 has been wild

[sage heart]

@cerulean arch max trefi at same timings passed quick y cruncher and linpack tests - now hitting an 8hr absolut since the rest of these settings survived the marathon. Then ill run a longer y crunch and linpack iteration but ~90 minutes down in MT5 no fail

These settings on a 96gb ddr5 kit are insane

[cerulean arch]

nice

yeah i mean healthy soc of 1.2 and 3000mclk is nice for a daily

i wouldnt expect many problems tbh

and cl30 also very forgiving

[sage heart]

Im gonna try 28/26 soon

Im at the stage where one change at a time

[cerulean arch]

i have 2x32 but if i could redo my choices i would go 2x24 for single rank and had apex been out when i was building i wouldve gone with that instead of x670e aorus master to see how far i could push that kit on water

[cerulean arch]

not happening

you can try

cl26 never maybe cl28

[sage heart]

I had a stable cl26 already but different timings, this ended up being superuor

But i do think cl28 is my limit

At best

[cerulean arch]

you dont really have to squeeze every last drop unless its very fun to you

real gains dont make that last chunk of effort worth it

i can only do ram oc every now and then and then i take long breaks lol

[sage heart]

Its fun for me, kind of burnt out on gaming since i grinded hard last week and ram tuning is so lightweight, make some tunes, validate stability over 5-24 hour tests

But i dont have to sit there and babysit constantly

This is a netflix weekend

Then i can validate gaming and enjoy faster input response

[sage heart]

Same, i do ram ocs when i need a break from gaming

Its sad for me when i finally squeeze every last drop out of a build

[sage heart]

Also what Im wrapping up is this optimization on my streaming PC so while Im overclocking my gaming PC my streaming PC can still give me enthusiast gaming performance

[cerulean arch]

yeah if i had 2 rigs i would do more oc too i think

[zinc mural]

Can someone help

With a monitor and mouse

pls

[rough patrol]

buy mouse that good buy monitor oled

[sullen bear]

4th gen woled gg ez

[zinc mural]

so you’re just gonna be a ass and be rude

Thanks dude

[rough patrol]

?

[ashen spindle]

you didn't really say anything about what you actually want help with so nobody can say more..

[rough patrol]

you didnt say what games you play, what your budget is, what kind of mouse shape you prefer, etc etc etc

[zinc mural]

Nope can’t save yourself I already acknowledge you as an ass

[rough patrol]

people can just give general recommendations but thats not gonna be as helpful

[rough patrol]

[zinc mural]

Nope can’t save yourself I already acknowledge you as an ass

[rough patrol]

then go ahead buy mouse that good buy monitor oled

[gusty kiln]

lol now no one will help you with that attitude

[ashen spindle]

this is now 7 messages and still nobody even knows what the actual questions is lol

[zinc mural]

Nope can’t save yourself I already acknowledge you as an ass

[tribal dirge]

Yeah lmaooooo

[tribal dirge]

Also need budgets

Could go and spend crazy amounts of money or you can go on a budget

[analog sinew]

your luck is funny, but it is one. Iam fortnite champ with win.

[cerulean arch]

buy mouse that good buy monitor oled

[gusty kiln]

that user already completely changed their profile

Sus af

[ashen spindle]

its an account made today

probably just a kid

[cerulean arch]

April 19

[ashen spindle]

oh duhh I meant joined the same day as the account was made

not made today

but yeah probably just a kid

[sage heart]

I thought you answered appropriately for the way he asked the question

[sage heart]

buy mouse that good buy monitor oled

[ashen spindle]

one day we'll use ai for good

and by good I mean have a bot understand when to link https://dontasktoask.com/

[sage heart]

New #tech channel meme “buy mouse that good buy monitor oled”

[gusty kiln]

was a better question for pc_gear

maybe they should be swapped on the channel list lol

[ashen spindle]

see you're assuming he wants to know what to buy

we dont even know if thats even his question or if he had an issue to troubleshoot lol

[gusty kiln]

true

[wheat plume]

Wtf does this mean?

[sage heart]

Lol

He responded the way the guy asked the most generic question then got called an ass

[iron wave]

Is ABS moisture sensitive like PLA is?

[tribal dirge]

eh? not really

[iron wave]

Cool.

[sage heart]

My research says its nothing to worry about

Buy plastic good, buy keycap abs

[iron wave]

Gotta start printing parts for my bigger printer soon.

[sage heart]

Sorry its something ive been laughing about from earlier

[empty wren]

No but if you buy CF anything it absorbs moisture

In some instances, even water enrichment may be recommended to some materials due to how brittle they can be.

[iron wave]

CloudFlare, CurseForge?

[empty wren]

Carbon fiber acronym widely used if you look for filled materials. GF is glass fiber.

[zinc mural]

I’m 34

[empty wren]

Beware though, carbon fiber fill may be dust, will create voids inside the material further weakening the end part and also unsurprisingly weaken layer adhesion. On a positive note the end part can be expected to have a sandblasted esque surface finish with a matte sheen.

It will also conduct heat a tad too better with actual fibers.

[zinc mural]

nerd

[tribal dirge]

yeah layer adhesion with CF and GF filaments are consistently lower than pure materials